Android Fragmentation: It's Complicated...

[kapolani]

Android’s platform fragmentation is complicated enough for users, but now more confusion looms as Google segregates the smartphone and tablet OS. While Android Honeycomb 3.0 for tablets is in the pipeline, a report from Pocket-lint suggests Google will release a mid-way version of Android for smartphones that can run some Honeycomb apps on phones.



Most Android smartphone users are still waiting to receive the recently introduced Android 2.3 update, which, according to Google’s own figures, is installed on less than one percent of phones on the platform.


http://www.macworld.com/article/157736/2011/02/android_fragmentation.html?lsrc=rss_weblogs_ioscen tral

[TheCount]

Which is what I said quite some time ago, the way they are fragmented is going to end up killing them sooner or later unless they figure out a more elegant solution.

Consumers want to just buy "Android", if they have to start researching version numbers of two different OSes, they will just give up and either buy the cheapest option or move away from the OS altogether.

[kapolani]

Which is what I said quite some time ago, the way they are fragmented is going to end up killing them sooner or later unless they figure out a more elegant solution.

Consumers want to just buy "Android", if they have to start researching version numbers of two different OSes, they will just give up and either buy the cheapest option or move away from the OS altogether.

I've been saying that time and again.

But, there are others who seem to think I'm making stuff up.

From an software engineering perspective it will be a nightmare.

This is why the walled garden approach is a good business decision.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Let's get this geek war started shall we...

You guys are just apple fan boys and android rules all...

GO!

[Dallas]

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[BrAinPaiNt]

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Let's all do our civic duty and keep Doctor Phil away from the forum. :D

[Sam I Am]

http://www.macworld.com/article/157736/2011/02/android_fragmentation.html?lsrc=rss_weblogs_ioscen tral

Sounds like a bunch of Apple fanboy idiots to me. ;) :D

I love how they are bashing Android because everyone and their grandmother doesn't have Android 2.3 installed when it just recently came out. I'm mean, you can't get much more LAME than that.

Everyone I know who has a iPhone G3 either didn't upgrade to iOS4 or is kicking themselves because they did. Odd that Crapple fanboys point fingers at Android! Ha!

btw, iOS for iPhone, iTouch and iPad while have the same version number, are not the same exact OS. Just thought you should know. ;)

[BrAinPaiNt]

Sounds like a bunch of Apple fanboy idiots to me. ;) :D

I love how they are bashing Android because everyone and their grandmother doesn't have Android 2.3 installed when it just recently came out. I'm mean, you can't get much more LAME than that.

Everyone I know who has a iPhone G3 either didn't upgrade to iOS4 or is kicking themselves because they did. Odd that Crapple fanboys point fingers at Android! Ha!

btw, iOS for iPhone, iTouch and iPad while have the same version number, are not the same exact OS. Just thought you should know. ;)

The gauntlet is thrown.

NYC the HateElf fires a magic missile. It hits. Roll of the 20 gives him a 5 for damage.

[kapolani]

I love how they are bashing Android because everyone and their grandmother doesn't have Android 2.3 installed when it just recently came out. I'm mean, you can't get much more LAME than that.


Maybe because it has something to do with the inability to get it in a timely manner.

**edit**

One of your arguments in an earlier thread was that fragmentation is make believe and that most android phones were running the latest and greatest.


Everyone I know who has a iPhone G3 either didn't upgrade to iOS4 or is kicking themselves because they did. Odd that Crapple fanboys point fingers at Android! Ha!


Then they're doing it wrong.

I have the original 3G (not G3 btw) and i'm actually running 4.1. A little laggy but to be expected. If the 'people' you know actually knew something they would know to turn off spotlight search or at least limit the search parameters. Instant speed upgrade because it polls in the background.


btw, iOS for iPhone, iTouch and iPad while have the same version number, are not the same exact OS. Just thought you should know. ;)

I know the answer to this, but I would like to see what your explanation is about the differences. FYI it doesn't limit the apps that can run on any of those devices.

Or are you just regurgitating what you read from Android web forums?

;)

Regardless, fragmentation is real. Whether you want to believe it or not. It's intellectually dishonest to say otherwise.

[kapolani]

The gauntlet is thrown.

NYC the HateElf fires a magic missile. It hits. Roll of the 20 gives him a 5 for damage.

I use my super duper wand of deflecting magic missiles and fire a left hook, uppercut to the chin...

[BrAinPaiNt]

I use my super duper wand of deflecting magic missiles and fire a left hook, uppercut to the chin...

Hawaiin Ranger rolls 20 die and hits with 5 damage.

[theogt]

http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/17/ios-android-breakdown/

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[BrAinPaiNt]

http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/17/ios-android-breakdown/

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/5549/1234lj.png

The multilingual cleric throws a chart spell. The roll of the 20 die reveals a 1 damage.

[kapolani]

http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/17/ios-android-breakdown/

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/5549/1234lj.png

This chart from a software engineering point of view shows me that I now have to support mulitple releases.

I'm not going to say I know what the code changes entail, but it still shows me that I have to potentially add code to handle possible deprecated functions etc.

I see this on a daily basis. It's truly a pain in the buttocks...

[kapolani]

The multilingual cleric throws a chart spell. The roll of the 20 die reveals a 1 damage.

You're doing it wrong.

You're supposed to use 3D6 for the damage multiplier.

[Sam I Am]

Maybe because it has something to do with the inability to get it in a timely manner.

**edit**

One of your arguments in an earlier thread was that fragmentation is make believe and that most android phones were running the latest and greatest. Show me where I said that it was make believe. :rolleyes:



Then they're doing it wrong.

I have the original 3G (not G3 btw) and i'm actually running 4.1. A little laggy but to be expected. If the 'people' you know actually knew something they would know to turn off spotlight search or at least limit the search parameters. Instant speed upgrade because it polls in the background.

This is exactly what they mainly complained about. (and a few other things) Though they didn't exactly refer to it as "a little laggy". They where dropping F-Bombs because it took forever to do simple things!


I know the answer to this, but I would like to see what your explanation is about the differences. FYI it doesn't limit the apps that can run on any of those devices.

Or are you just regurgitating what you read from Android web forums?

;) No I didn't read it anywhere. You as a "programmer" should know it's freaking obvious that it isn't exactly the same! :rolleyes: <-- AGAIN!



Regardless, fragmentation is real. Whether you want to believe it or not. It's intellectually dishonest to say otherwise.

Look at theo's post above. Basically a majority of the Android users are on two different versions of Android.... Just like iOS. (iOS3 and iOS4)

Thanks for playing. ;)

nyc casts "take that you fiend" on kapolani for 5 billion damage!
kapolani is dead.

[BrAinPaiNt]

You're doing it wrong.

You're supposed to use 3D6 for the damage multiplier.

Chart spells are pretty weak. He almost missed all together. Only 5% of the chart hit you...hence the low damage.

However since you want to argue with the dungeon master...the added multiplier results in the damage being increased to 5.

[kapolani]

No I didn't read it anywhere. You as a "programmer" should know it's freaking obvious that it isn't exactly the same! :rolleyes: <-- AGAIN!


Within the context of the fragmentation argument your point is meaningless.

It doesn't limit the user or change the user's experience when running apps etc.

You don't have to change code to 'make' something work on the device.

OTOH the hardware may limit the experience. I.E. devices that don't have a camera can't video chat etc.

Fragmentation is non-existence with regards to IOS.

The more I read your posts/responses the more I'm convinced you have no clue about software architecture/engineering etc.

You may have coded a web app using JScript/HTML etc etc, but we all know those people aren't 'programmers.'

[Sam I Am]

Within the context of the fragmentation argument your point is meaningless.

It doesn't limit the user or change the user's experience when running apps etc.

You don't have to change code to 'make' something work on the device.

OTOH the hardware may limit the experience. I.E. devices that don't have a camera can't video chat etc.

Fragmentation is non-existence with regards to IOS.

The more I read your posts/responses the more I'm convinced you have no clue about software architecture/engineering etc.

You may have coded a web app using JScript/HTML etc etc, but we all know those people aren't 'programmers.'

I've never claimed to be a programmer by trade, though I'm a systems engineer. I build infrastructure for enterprises and Internet hosting facilities. (networks, servers, storage, and software) Just because I don't write operating systems, damn sure doesn't mean I don't know them and understand how they inter-populate with the hardware they reside on.

As for programming itself, I can write in C/C++, Bash, Python, PHP, Perl, Basic, and I started to learning Java, but have only written a few small utility type apps in it before I stopped messing with it. Currently, Python is my weapon of choice. It's quick and painless development. I write my OSS projects in and almost all of my administration utilities in it.

You are quite wrong if you say iOS3 and iOS4 don't have fragmentation. My wife found out first hand that she can't run apps build specifically for v4. When she tried to install it, it said that she had to upgrade because it wasn't compatible with iOS3. (she has an iTouch)

So, take your fragmentation argument and stuff it in your iOS toilet! :laugh2:

[theogt]

The multilingual cleric throws a chart spell. The roll of the 20 die reveals a 1 damage.Community reference?

:laugh2:

[theogt]

You are quite wrong if you say iOS3 and iOS4 don't have fragmentation. My wife found out first hand that she can't run apps build specifically for v4. When she tried to install it, it said that she had to upgrade because it wasn't compatible with iOS3. (she has an iTouch)That sort of fragmentation is very rare on the iPhone and when it does happen, it does not last long, unless the developer abandons the program. The reason it doesn't last long is because typically over 90% of iPhone users adopt the latest software update, thus the developer's primary focus is always the latest version.

[kapolani]

You are quite wrong if you say iOS3 and iOS4 don't have fragmentation. My wife found out first hand that she can't run apps build specifically for v4. When she tried to install it, it said that she had to upgrade because it wasn't compatible with iOS3. (she has an iTouch)

So, take your fragmentation argument and stuff it in your iOS toilet! :laugh2:

Well of course you can't run something that's built specifically for a certain OS build. Likewise with video games etc. If the hardware/OS can't support it, the hardware/OS can't support it. You think you can bust out a windows box running 3.1 and get Starcraft II up and running?

Furthermore, the apps for IOS4 _could_ run on a IOS3 etc device if they wanted it too. Jailbroken devices do it all the time. Apple denies it because it changes the user experience i.e. lag etc.

That is entirely different than writing an app for a device from a multitude of manufacturers who have injected their code within the baseline, thus changing how certain events are handled etc. UI events on Android 2.3 on a Samsung device may be entirely different than UI events on a HTC device.

Major difference...

[BrAinPaiNt]

Community reference?

:laugh2:

Never watched the show. More of a D&D geek reference. All in good fun.

[Sam I Am]

That sort of fragmentation is very rare on the iPhone and when it does happen, it does not last long, unless the developer abandons the program. The reason it doesn't last long is because typically over 90% of iPhone users adopt the latest software update, thus the developer's primary focus is always the latest version.

Who told you that, Steve? :muttley:

[theogt]

Never watched the show. More of a D&D geek reference. All in good fun.They had an episode that was devoted to D&D, with some lines similar to yours in the show.

[kapolani]

Who told you that, Steve? :muttley:


Furthermore, the apps for IOS4 _could_ run on a IOS3 etc device if they wanted it too. Jailbroken devices do it all the time. Apple denies it because it changes the user experience i.e. lag etc.


BumbleBee Tuna...

[theogt]

Who told you that, Steve? :muttley:No, the Tech Crunch article to which I linked earlier in this thread.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Who told you that, Steve? :muttley:

Well...I have not exp any problem at all. But then I started with 4 so who knows.

I just know I have downloaded a buttload (that is WV talk for a bunch) of apps and have not had trouble with any of them on the 4.

I think it is easier for Apple/iphone to control that issue than others since they are limited in the phones and OS on said phones.

Where the other is working with phones from all different manufacturers.

It would seem to be a pretty logical conclusion from that standpoint that Apple would have less worry with this specific issue than the android (or whatever the specific OS name is).

Sexy Mountain Man warrior throws block spell.

[BrAinPaiNt]

They had an episode that was devoted to D&D, with some lines similar to yours in the show.

They hired miss cleo and stole my lines.

You are a lawyer right?...Can I sue?!?!

[Sam I Am]

Never watched the show. More of a D&D geek reference. All in good fun.

I'm trying to remember where the spell "take that you fiend" came from. It was either D&D, Tunnels and Trolls, or Rifts. I think it was Tunnels and Trolls.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I'm trying to remember where the spell "take that you fiend" came from. It was either D&D, Tunnels and Trolls, or Rifts. I think it was Tunnels and Trolls.

Don't remember that one. Actually I don't remember a great deal of the stuff as it has been so long ago.

[Sam I Am]

No, the Tech Crunch article to which I linked earlier in this thread.

The point is, where did they get it? Correct, Steve. We all know we can trust what he says as FACT! :laugh2:

[theogt]

Well...I have not exp any problem at all. But then I started with 4 so who knows.

I just know I have downloaded a buttload (that is WV talk for a bunch) of apps and have not had trouble with any of them on the 4.

I think it is easier for Apple/iphone to control that issue than others since they are limited in the phones and OS on said phones.

Where the other is working with phones from all different manufacturers.

It would seem to be a pretty logical conclusion from that standpoint that Apple would have less worry with this specific issue than the android (or whatever the specific OS name is).

Sexy Mountain Man warrior throws block spell.This is the age old Apple/anti-Apple argument.

Yes, Apple keeps a much tighter control on their product than other companies. Typically that's not a good thing. But the reason Apple does so is not because they're control freaks -- but because they want the product to work properly. That's a tough stance to take, because it means you have to be on the cutting edge across the board. Otherwise, your product becomes outdated too quickly and no one adopts. But keep one step ahead of the rest has been Apple's strength with the iPhone.

[Vtwin]

Sounds like a bunch of Apple fanboy idiots to me. ;) :D

I love how they are bashing Android because everyone and their grandmother doesn't have Android 2.3 installed when it just recently came out. I'm mean, you can't get much more LAME than that.

Everyone I know who has a iPhone G3 either didn't upgrade to iOS4 or is kicking themselves because they did. Odd that Crapple fanboys point fingers at Android! Ha!

btw, iOS for iPhone, iTouch and iPad while have the same version number, are not the same exact OS. Just thought you should know. ;)


And these fanboys don't seem to know that are are some great developers out there who tweak the lastest versions making them better faster and without the carriers crap on them.

I hate to keep picking on them but they make it so darn easy.

[Sam I Am]

Don't remember that one. Actually I don't remember a great deal of the stuff as it has been so long ago.

Yep, Tunnels and Trolls (http://www.freedungeons.com/rules/#magic).

[theogt]

The point is, where did they get it? Correct, Steve. We all know we can trust what he says as FACT! :laugh2:They got it from the developer of Bump, a popular iPhone app, who openly shared his customer demographics. From December 1, 2010 to January 18, 2011, 96% of Bump users were on iOS 4.0+.

[Sam I Am]

They got it the developer of Bump, a popular iPhone app, who openly shared his customer demographics. From December 1, 2010 to January 18, 2011, 96% of Bump users were on iOS 4.0+.

Do you and kapolani do the Bump? ;) :p:

[BrAinPaiNt]

They got it the developer of Bump, a popular iPhone app, who openly shared his customer demographics. From December 1, 2010 to January 18, 2011, 96% of Bump users were on iOS 4.0+.

Something else to consider with just the OS. (not talking about the apps initially made for OS3 being compatible with OS4). Just the OS.

Most Iphone users will have the latests updates because most will update it when hooking into Itunes. If they don't check on their own, sometimes they are prompted to check.

[theogt]

Do you and kapolani do the Bump? ;) :p:It's funny how you want to include the iTouch when comparing which operating system to operating system (for purposes of fragmentation), but you only want to include iPhone sales when comparing the Android operating system's sales to the iOS operating system.

[Sam I Am]

Something else to consider with just the OS. (not talking about the apps initially made for OS3 being compatible with OS4). Just the OS.

Most Iphone users will have the latests updates because most will update it when hooking into Itunes. If they don't check on their own, sometimes they are prompted to check.

I think the update from 3->4 cost money. I know my wife paid for an upgrade at one point.

[Sam I Am]

It's funny how you want to include the iTouch when comparing which operating system to operating system (for purposes of fragmentation), but you only want to include iPhone sales when comparing the Android operating system's sales to the iOS operating system.

Umm, dude. We were discussing fragmentation of the OSes. If you write an app for an iPhone I'm guessing the developer expects it to work on the iTouch too right?

As for smartphones, the iTouch isn't a smartphone. Nor is the iPad. Soon we will be discussing iPad vs Android tablets though.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think the update from 3->4 cost money. I know my wife paid for an upgrade at one point.

Can't speak to that.

I have not paid yet and I have already updated my phone. Course it is just minor updates and not a full OS update but you get the point.

It's kind of funny for me to watch you guys go at it.

I was always the guy, and still am, who would never buy an apple computer. Always liked PCs due to the number of hardware and software choices I had vs just having to buy apple hardware from an apple store of sorts.

However with the Ipod, Iphone and perhaps the Ipad...I have no problem with it.

Two different mindsets due to different products.

I know my wife would like an Ipad down the road. And personally I think it is probably a better option for her then getting another notebook computer or other brand of Ipad style devices. It makes it easier on her as she knows what she would be doing, makes it easier on me so I don't have to work on another laptop (I hate working on laptops).

However when it comes to a desktop...I will not buy an Apple computer. With a computer I like the power of opening it up, changing the hardware when I want without taking it to a store or having a limited number of hardware choices and places I can buy from.

So...I have views that go from good and happy with apple to don't even think of getting me to buy apple. :p:

[theogt]

Umm, dude. We were discussing fragmentation of the OSes. If you write an app for an iPhone I'm guessing the developer expects it to work on the iTouch too right?

As for smartphones, the iTouch isn't a smartphone. Nor is the iPad. Soon we will be discussing iPad vs Android tablets though.Actually, we're already discussing the Android tablet. If you actually read the article linked in the OP, the gist of the article was that the tablet-only version of Android causes EVEN MORE fragmentation.

Pointing to the fact that there is only some fragmentation across devices on iOS only emphasizes how unified the iOS world is, which is great for developers who want their iPhone product to port over to the iPad or iTouch. Android developers will need to write software for a table-specific operating system with the Android tablets.

[theogt]

I think the update from 3->4 cost money. I know my wife paid for an upgrade at one point.For the iTouch, yes. I think BP was talking about the iPhone, which is always free.

[Sam I Am]

For the iTouch, yes. I think BP was talking about the iPhone, which is always free.

That I was not aware of.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Umm, dude. We were discussing fragmentation of the OSes. If you write an app for an iPhone I'm guessing the developer expects it to work on the iTouch too right?

As for smartphones, the iTouch isn't a smartphone. Nor is the iPad. Soon we will be discussing iPad vs Android tablets though.

I think they write for both the phone and the ipad. I think it is different as they show up with options for the Iphone and Ipad when you get your search results.

I think (could be wrong in this) that apps that work for the Iphone also work for the Itouch. I don't remember seeing them separated when I have done searches in the appstore.

[Sam I Am]

Actually, we're already discussing the Android tablet. If you actually read the article linked in the OP, the gist of the article was that the tablet-only version of Android causes EVEN MORE fragmentation.

Pointing to the fact that there is only some fragmentation across devices on iOS only emphasizes how unified the iOS world is, which is great for developers who want their iPhone product to port over to the iPad or iTouch. Android developers will need to write software for a table-specific operating system with the Android tablets.

The iOS that runs on the iPad is an iPad ONLY. That iOS does not run on the iPhones or iPad. There are apps that only run on the iPad. I'm not sure what point you are making with that statement. If you are trying to imply that Android smartphone apps won't work on Honeycomb, you would be wrong. (http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2011/02/02/google-announces-honeycomb-features-smartphone-apps-will-work-o/) Just like iPhone apps on the iPad and just like some iPad apps do not run on iPhone.

[Dallas]

Can't speak to that.

I have not paid yet and I have already updated my phone. Course it is just minor updates and not a full OS update but you get the point.

It's kind of funny for me to watch you guys go at it.

I was always the guy, and still am, who would never buy an apple computer. Always liked PCs due to the number of hardware and software choices I had vs just having to buy apple hardware from an apple store of sorts.

However with the Ipod, Iphone and perhaps the Ipad...I have no problem with it.

Two different mindsets due to different products.

I know my wife would like an Ipad down the road. And personally I think it is probably a better option for her then getting another notebook computer or other brand of Ipad style devices. It makes it easier on her as she knows what she would be doing, makes it easier on me so I don't have to work on another laptop (I hate working on laptops).

However when it comes to a desktop...I will not buy an Apple computer. With a computer I like the power of opening it up, changing the hardware when I want without taking it to a store or having a limited number of hardware choices and places I can buy from.

So...I have views that go from good and happy with apple to don't even think of getting me to buy apple. :p:

Pretty much the mindset of most anti-Apple PC folks out there. You can't compare the PC and Macintosh as far as customizing and flavors. The Apple approach is extremely limited as far as choices. That is what kills Apple from the start and has been for a VERY long time now. Not in the personal ipod/phone department but def in the business enterprise level and home level of personal computer choice. You can't argue that fact. Apple realized they weren't going to gather that market share back anytime soon so the switch to personal device business approach was where they put the full force of the company behind and you can see that in the sales of these devices.

As far as Android and iOS is concerned. I think the argument is rediculous. I look at the android platform kind of like the PC side of things. I enjoy android far more because I have some much customization available and I can basically make my phone "MINE" and what I wish it to be besides being forced to tow some imaginary company line as far as my purchase.

Android is available to how many tablets and diff phones now? Who cares if its a bit more difficult to develop on. At the end of the day the user experience at least for me and my circle is far more enjoyable than some zombie iphone user. No offense but that's how I really feel. If you just don't have the technical know how then I completely understand your infatuation w/ such a limited phone as the iPhone 4. I have had iPhones up through the 3gs before deciding to step away from Apple completely. This after spending 2-3k on apps/music and adapters out the wazzoo.

For me the phone is extremely limited and nothing I ever care to experience again as an IT professional.

BTW: If the OS is soooo bad as Kap and Count are tossing out, then why do you have companies like Teleca/SirusXM announcing its new platform based on Android for SiriusXM enableing support for devices intended for pockets, car dashboards, and home entertainment centers?

One would think that if the Android OS is so bad and will die a slow death in the coming future, why these companies are jumping on board and constantly developing on it.

You would think the ones making these calls would know full well the limits and "complicated fragmentation" issues the OS has.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Pretty much the mindset of most anti-Apple PC folks out there. You can't compare the PC and Macintosh as far as customizing and flavors. The Apple approach is extremely limited as far as choices. That is what kills Apple from the start and has been for a VERY long time now. Not in the personal ipod/phone department but def in the business enterprise level and home level of personal computer choice. You can't argue that fact. Apple realized they weren't going to gather that market share back anytime soon so the switch to personal device business approach was where they put the full force of the company behind and you can see that in the sales of these devices.

As far as Android and iOS is concerned. I think the argument is rediculous. I look at the android platform kind of like the PC side of things. I enjoy android far more because I have some much customization available and I can basically make my phone "MINE" and what I wish it to be besides being forced to tow some imaginary company line as far as my purchase.

Android is available to how many tablets and diff phones now? Who cares if its a bit more difficult to develop on. At the end of the day the user experience at least for me and my circle is far more enjoyable than some zombie iphone user. No offense but that's how I really feel. If you just don't have the technical know how then I completely understand your infatuation w/ such a limited phone as the iPhone 4. I have had iPhones up through the 3gs before deciding to step away from Apple completely. This after spending 2-3k on apps/music and adapters out the wazzoo.

For me the phone is extremely limited and nothing I ever care to experience again as an IT professional.

BTW: If the OS is soooo bad as Kap and Count are tossing out, then why do you have companies like Teleca/SirusXM announcing its new platform based on Android for SiriusXM enableing support for devices intended for pockets, car dashboards, and home entertainment centers?

One would think that if the Android OS is so bad and will die a slow death in the coming future, why these companies are jumping on board and constantly developing on it.

You would think the ones making these calls would know full well the limits and "complicated fragmentation" issues the OS has.

My iphone works for me for what I use it for. Pretty much as simple as that.

I just use it for some games and apps. Other than that I don't need a bunch of stuff on it.

I think a good deal of people probably feel the same way.

Sometimes KISS works for a good deal of people.

It is limited for some and more of a welcome to others.

It's ok.

I am sure if I would have gotten the EVO I would be just as happy.

[Sam I Am]

People declaring Android is going to die are seriously have no clue. Not only is it not going to die, it's the fastest growing mobile operating system in existence. Not only is it the fastest, it's blowing the doors of everything else.

Stating such just puts their ignorance on the subject on display. If you don't know what you're talking about shut the hell up and you won't look so stupid! :laugh2:

[theogt]

The iOS that runs on the iPad is an iPad ONLY. That iOS does not run on the iPhones or iPad. There are apps that only run on the iPad. I'm not sure what point you are making with that statement. If you are trying to imply that Android smartphone apps won't work on Honeycomb, you would be wrong. (http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2011/02/02/google-announces-honeycomb-features-smartphone-apps-will-work-o/) Just like iPhone apps on the iPad and just like some iPad apps do not run on iPhone.Actually, it's not. You can get the same version on the iPad and iPhone. And all apps that run on iPhone can run on iPad; it's just that the graphics may not look great on a larger screen.

[BadWolf]

nyc casts "take that you fiend" on kapolani for 5 billion damage!
kapolani is dead.

You're doing it wrong.

You should have cast the "Hand over Antennae" spell, rendering him incapable of casting or receiving spells.

He would then equip the "Case of Amplification" to render your spell useless. He then counters with the spell "Rage of the Hipster", but he realizes to late that that spell hasn't been approved my Lord Jobs and is banished from the realm.

[Dallas]

You're doing it wrong.

You should have cast the "Hand over Antennae" spell, rendering him incapable of casting or receiving spells.

He would then equip the "Case of Amplification" to render your spell useless. He then counters with the spell "Rage of the Hipster", but he realizes to late that that spell hasn't been approved my Lord Jobs and is banished from the realm.



:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:


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[Kangaroo]

Some phone vendors are really nutritiously slow at getting the updates certified on their phone hardware (Cough cough you suck sprint).

That is one advantage of controlling everything yourself which is why Windows decided they are not leaving updates to the vendor in their new platform

[Sam I Am]

You're doing it wrong.

You should have cast the "Hand over Antennae" spell, rendering him incapable of casting or receiving spells.

He would then equip the "Case of Amplification" to render your spell useless. He then counters with the spell "Rage of the Hipster", but he realizes to late that that spell hasn't been approved my Lord Jobs and is banished from the realm.

BadWolf for the win!

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r273/bengm/postofthday-41.gif

[Sam I Am]

Some phone vendors are really nutritiously slow at getting the updates certified on their phone hardware (Cough cough you suck sprint).

That is one advantage of controlling everything yourself which is why Windows decided they are not leaving updates to the vendor in their new platform

I believe they are banning bloatware from being preinstalled too in the future. I read something like that a while back.

[Heisenberg]

I dunno. I have no issues with my Motorola Droid 1. The updates come in a timely manner and I've never run into issues where I'm running a version of Android that I can't download the latest and greatest apps on.

Yeah, if you're sporting a phone from a couple of years back and running 1.x, I'd imagine you might run into the occasional issue, but anything remotely current? No way.

[Kangaroo]

I dunno. I have no issues with my Motorola Droid 1. The updates come in a timely manner and I've never run into issues where I'm running a version of Android that I can't download the latest and greatest apps on.

Yeah, if you're sporting a phone from a couple of years back and running 1.x, I'd imagine you might run into the occasional issue, but anything remotely current? No way.

Verizon is one of the better vendors at pushing out updates that is why. Sprint is terrible and moves like molasses on updates which is one if the reason why I did not sign up with them even though I got a bigger discount and saved more money.

[kapolani]

Can't speak to that.

I have not paid yet and I have already updated my phone. Course it is just minor updates and not a full OS update but you get the point.

It's kind of funny for me to watch you guys go at it.

I was always the guy, and still am, who would never buy an apple computer. Always liked PCs due to the number of hardware and software choices I had vs just having to buy apple hardware from an apple store of sorts.

However with the Ipod, Iphone and perhaps the Ipad...I have no problem with it.

Two different mindsets due to different products.

I know my wife would like an Ipad down the road. And personally I think it is probably a better option for her then getting another notebook computer or other brand of Ipad style devices. It makes it easier on her as she knows what she would be doing, makes it easier on me so I don't have to work on another laptop (I hate working on laptops).

However when it comes to a desktop...I will not buy an Apple computer. With a computer I like the power of opening it up, changing the hardware when I want without taking it to a store or having a limited number of hardware choices and places I can buy from.

So...I have views that go from good and happy with apple to don't even think of getting me to buy apple. :p:

That is exactly how I felt. At one point I never liked APPL. I thought only tree huggers and VW driving hippies liked them.

My wife took the initiative to buy me an iPhone for Christmas. It was the 3G. I immediately jailbroke it so I never felt the 'walled garden' so to speak. I have a JB'ed 4 now. Customized to my exact standards and setup. I love being able to do that. Truth be told - I wouldn't mind one bit if someone put out an Android phone worth jumping ship for. I only want the best. I have a lot invested in APPL through apps and itune's account, but I would switch in a heartbeat. Nothing has come out yet enticing me to do that.

One last thing. You don't have to pay to go from OS to OS.

I don't think I'll get an iPad, but I'll definitely pick one up for the wife - shes wants one pretty bad. I told her to wait for the next iteration. I'm pretty sure my next laptop is going to be a MacBook Pro. I can run a virtual environment and code for any OS.

[Eric_Boyer]

This is the age old Apple/anti-Apple argument.

Yes, Apple keeps a much tighter control on their product than other companies. Typically that's not a good thing. But the reason Apple does so is not because they're control freaks -- but because they want the product to work properly. That's a tough stance to take, because it means you have to be on the cutting edge across the board. Otherwise, your product becomes outdated too quickly and no one adopts. But keep one step ahead of the rest has been Apple's strength with the iPhone.

you don't have a clue why apple chooses to block some apps while allowing others.

I don't either, but I've seen enough inconsistency to know it has zero to do with the stability of the app itself. other factors are at play

as for keeping ahead, they have already fallen behind with their o/s because they don't allow you to rewire the core functionality.

for instance - you can't you make your iphone operate like a pager because apple doesn't allow you to circumvent the core notification system for receiving text messages.

[theogt]

you don't have a clue why apple chooses to block some apps while allowing others.

I don't either, but I've seen enough inconsistency to know it has zero to do with the stability of the app itself. other factors are at playSo, you do or don't have a clue? Because if you're claiming ignorance, don't just turnaround and offer definitive answers.

as for keeping ahead, they have already fallen behind with their o/s because they don't allow you to rewire the core functionality.

for instance - you can't you make your iphone operate like a pager because apple doesn't allow you to circumvent the core notification system for receiving text messages.I'm not sure having my smartphone operate like a pager is a what I'd consider an *ADVANCE* in technology.

Apple won't ever let you "rewire the core functionality" because it's not their thing. But that doesn't make them any more or less advanced.

[Eric_Boyer]

So, you do or don't have a clue? Because if you're claiming ignorance, don't just turnaround and offer definitive answers.

neither of us have a clue why some apps get rejected. only one of us pretended to (and it wasn't me)

I'm not sure having my smartphone operate like a pager is a what I'd consider an *ADVANCE* in technology.

it's simply one of many things you can't do with an iphone.

I like being able to operate my phone as a pager - it is an extremely useful business feature that the iphone can't handle

I won't even begin to go into the awesomeness of google voice, which is an advanced feature, and something the iphone rejected.

[kapolani]

neither of us have a clue why some apps get rejected. only one of us pretended to (and it wasn't me)



it's simply one of many things you can't do with an iphone.

I like being able to operate my phone as a pager - it is an extremely useful business feature that the iphone can't handle

I won't even begin to go into the awesomeness of google voice, which is an advanced feature, and something the iphone rejected.

Why would you want to make your phone behave like a pager?

The texting feature is the same thing.

FWIW Google Voice has been approved for a while now. But, before that there was a jailbreak solution that I used 2 iterations ago.

I've been using Google Voice for years now as well.

[theogt]

neither of us have a clue why some apps get rejected. only one of us pretended to (and it wasn't me)Actually, I never said a thing about rejecting apps. That's just you.

it's simply one of many things you can't do with an iphone.

I like being able to operate my phone as a pager - it is an extremely useful business feature that the iphone can't handle

I won't even begin to go into the awesomeness of google voice, which is an advanced feature, and something the iphone rejected.It's not that the iPhone can't do it. It's that that Apple doesn't let you do it. And may never. It has nothing to do with being advanced or not advanced.

By the way, Google Voice is available in the iPhone app store.

[Sam I Am]

By the way, Google Voice is available in the iPhone app store.

Yeah, the government was about to crush old Steve Jobs on that subject. It was do or die for them.

[Eric_Boyer]

Why would you want to make your phone behave like a pager?

The texting feature is the same thing.

FWIW Google Voice has been approved for a while now. But, before that there was a jailbreak solution that I used 2 iterations ago.

I've been using Google Voice for years now as well.

the fact is, Apple tried to block the app on their device. anybody that tries to claim it is because of stability of the phone is full of ****.

[Eric_Boyer]

It's not that the iPhone can't do it. It's that that Apple doesn't let you do it.

same thing.

the iphone can't do it because the o/s doesn't provide the hooks to do it.

it is one of many, many things you simply can't do on the iphone because the o/s limits creativity

[kapolani]

the fact is, Apple tried to block the app on their device. anybody that tries to claim it is because of stability of the phone is full of ****.

I don't know who claimed instability.

Truth be told I'm sure ATT had a little say in the matter. Trying to circumvent their cut of the pie etc...

I'm still curious why you would want your phone to behave like a pager. It makes no sense.

[kapolani]

same thing.

the iphone can't do it because the o/s doesn't provide the hooks to do it.

it is one of many, many things you simply can't do on the iphone because the o/s limits creativity

False.

The Jailbreak scene has been doing creative stuff with the OS since its inception.

[Sam I Am]

I don't know who claimed instability.

Truth be told I'm sure ATT had a little say in the matter. Trying to circumvent their cut of the pie etc...

I'm still curious why you would want your phone to behave like a pager. It makes no sense.

Steve Jobs makes all kinds of bs claims when he wants to prevent apps on iOS. You KNOW this is true.

[theogt]

same thing.

the iphone can't do it because the o/s doesn't provide the hooks to do it.

it is one of many, many things you simply can't do on the iphone because the o/s limits creativityYes, having the best screen resolution of any smart phone or new technologies like facetime is the same thing as not allowing (though the capability is there) developers to write programs that allow your smartphone to act as a pager.

Wait, no, I think they're completely different and this is a ridiculous argument that I'll avoid from here on out.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Steve Jobs makes all kinds of bs claims when he wants to prevent apps on iOS. You KNOW this is true.

Out of curiosity.

Does android phones have a central program or site that they download games/apps through...like their version of Itunes? Or does that go through the phone maker?

[Sam I Am]

Out of curiosity.

Does android phones have a central program or site that they download games/apps through...like their version of Itunes? Or does that go through the phone maker?

Google has an app store called the Android Market, (they actually just opened another one too) but you can install apps without going there too. I have Dungeon Hunter that I installed manually. To do that though, you have to go into Settings->Applications and check "Unknown Sources" to install them.

[kapolani]

Out of curiosity.

Does android phones have a central program or site that they download games/apps through...like their version of Itunes? Or does that go through the phone maker?

They have one, but the vetting process isn't as strict as Apple's. Apparently that lets a lot of crap apps through and potentially unsafe ones as well.

Apple's app store has it's share of crap apps as well, but at least they try to keep that to a minimum.

[Dallas]

They have one, but the vetting process isn't as strict as Apple's. Apparently that lets a lot of crap apps through and potentially unsafe ones as well.

Apple's app store has it's share of crap apps as well, but at least they try to keep that to a minimum.


Honestly, your making yourself look foolish. You havent a clue of 2.2+ and the Android Market or the changes implemented over the past year. PLEASE stop making it out like you know what your saying. :D

Thanks Hawaii

[Eric_Boyer]

I don't know who claimed instability.

Truth be told I'm sure ATT had a little say in the matter. Trying to circumvent their cut of the pie etc...

I'm still curious why you would want your phone to behave like a pager. It makes no sense.

anybody that needs a pager function would understand it

why carry two devices around when one device can do both functions.

[Eric_Boyer]

Yes, having the best screen resolution of any smart phone or new technologies like facetime is the same thing as not allowing (though the capability is there) developers to write programs that allow your smartphone to act as a pager.

Wait, no, I think they're completely different and this is a ridiculous argument that I'll avoid from here on out.

the capability isn't there.

jailbreaking the phone does not provide integration where integration does not exist.

when you jailbreak, you can install apps that Jobs doesn't allow, but it still doesn't allow you to circumvent the core functionality of the o/s

[Vtwin]

Honestly, your making yourself look foolish. You havent a clue of 2.2+ and the Android Market or the changes implemented over the past year. PLEASE stop making it out like you know what your saying. :D

Thanks Hawaii


Don't stop him!

I love reading his stuff.

[theogt]

the capability isn't there.

jailbreaking the phone does not provide integration where integration does not exist.

when you jailbreak, you can install apps that Jobs doesn't allow, but it still doesn't allow you to circumvent the core functionality of the o/sLook, having a phone act like a pager isn't an advancement. They don't do it because they don't want to do it and never will. I'm sorry if that upsets you, but it's completely extraneous to the conversation going on in this thread.

[Sam I Am]

Look, having a phone act like a pager isn't an advancement. They don't do it because they don't want to do it and never will. I'm sorry if that upsets you, but it's completely extraneous to the conversation going on in this thread.

Text messaging was invented for use in the business world. Sort of like the pager. Notice pagers also had the ability to receive text messages. :)

I be damned, iPhones (and other phones) act just like pagers in that sense! :laugh2:

[kapolani]

the capability isn't there.

jailbreaking the phone does not provide integration where integration does not exist.

when you jailbreak, you can install apps that Jobs doesn't allow, but it still doesn't allow you to circumvent the core functionality of the o/s

You have no clue what you're talking about.

Jailbreakers write apps all the time that hook into the OS.

I.E. apps that brought multi-tasking to the iPhone first.

[kapolani]

Honestly, your making yourself look foolish. You havent a clue of 2.2+ and the Android Market or the changes implemented over the past year. PLEASE stop making it out like you know what your saying. :D

Thanks Hawaii

I admit I haven't kept up, but I could have sworn I've read articles from Gizmodo, Engadget etc stating these exact things.

Honestly don't feel like taking the time to find these articles.

[kapolani]

anybody that needs a pager function would understand it

why carry two devices around when one device can do both functions.

Text messaging can serve the same purpose as a pager. You can text a number. It's not rocket science.

Why carry a pager?

[kapolani]

Don't stop him!

I love reading his stuff.

Okay Mr .45

:rolleyes:

[Eric_Boyer]

You have no clue what you're talking about.

Jailbreakers write apps all the time that hook into the OS.

I.E. apps that brought multi-tasking to the iPhone first.

:laugh2:

I'm an application developer, and have written apps for the iphone, and android devices.

[Eric_Boyer]

Text messaging can serve the same purpose as a pager. You can text a number. It's not rocket science.

Why carry a pager?

it's the notification that is limiting.

you don't want every text message you receive to operate like a pager.

haivng a different ring type based on contacts isn't going to handle it either