Could Phil Taylor raise his stock to be a viable option at 9?

[TheFinisher]

Taylor's been skyrocketing up draft boards and could go as early 15 to Miami or 21 to Kansas City. If he continues this surge could he become another option for us at 9? Teams usually put a premium on Nose Tackles in the draft and from a financial standpoint NT makes more sense to shell out big bucks than a 5-technique.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I dont think we will see a worse candidate for #9 all year

[Cover 2]

Taylor's been skyrocketing up draft boards and could go as early 15 to Miami or 21 to Kansas City. If he continues this surge could he become another option for us at 9? Teams usually put a premium on Nose Tackles in the draft and from a financial standpoint NT makes more sense to shell out big bucks than a 5-technique.
I would have a problem taking a bit player with work ethic concerns that early. I've seen too many people like that eat themselves out of the league.

[Manwiththeplan]

No way Phil Taylor is a viable option at #9 or even #15 to Miami. I could see Kansas City taking him, but not before that pick

[GloryDaysRBack]

I dont think we will see a worse candidate for #9 all year

Lmao, agreed 100%..this guy thrashes Cam Jordan at 9 and brings up Taylor

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Taylor's been skyrocketing up draft boards and could go as early 15 to Miami or 21 to Kansas City. If he continues this surge could he become another option for us at 9? Teams usually put a premium on Nose Tackles in the draft and from a financial standpoint NT makes more sense to shell out big bucks than a 5-technique.

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Coming from the guy hates Jordan at 9.

[TheFinisher]

Lmao, agreed 100%..this guy thrashes Cam Jordan at 9 and brings up Taylor
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Coming from the guy hates Jordan at 9.

Whether you realize it or not Phil Taylor is moving up draft boards into the mid 1st range. I don't see what's so funny about asking if others think he can continue this climb, or how what I think of Cam Jordan has to do with Phil Taylor.

Next time try offering some substance to your posts instead of wasting our time with a mindless personal attack.

[realtick]

I think it's a safe bet to say Phil Taylor won't sniff the 1st round, let alone the middle of the 1st. You're hearing a lot of conjecture on Draft websites because Taylor showed well at the Senior Bowl.

You've heard the saying "out of sight, out of mind?" Well the flipside of that is when you're in the sight of everyone (offseason...Senior Bowl), a good showing in an offseason event can make you the apple of everyones eye...temporarily.

Come combine time in Indy in few weeks, some new prospect is going to be the cat's meow and shoot up the draft board, or so it would seem.

I wouldn't blink if we took Phil Taylor in the 2nd round under the right circumstances, but he's not a #9 candidate by any stretch.

The guy is likely a two-down player at the next level.

[Manwiththeplan]

Whether you realize it or not Phil Taylor is moving up draft boards into the mid 1st range. I don't see what's so funny about asking if others think he can continue this climb, or how what I think of Cam Jordan has to do with Phil Taylor.

Next time try offering some substance to your posts instead of wasting our time with a mindless personal attack.

the problem is no one is saying he's in the mid first round range. I may be missing it, but I've only seen he has a chance to go in round 1. Going top 10 is another huge leap which is far from likely

[TheCount]

I don't get why his stock is skyrocketing. How much tape is there already on this guy? He was unimpressive in the bowl game so all his hype is based on what, his senior bowl?

This is ridiculous.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I don't get why his stock is skyrocketing. How much tape is there already on this guy? He was unimpressive in the bowl game so all his hype is based on what, his senior bowl?

This is ridiculous.


The draft gurus are catching up on tape and can take some time to get to certain players.

Also, when people get so called "hot", that is sometimes just from fan word of mouth. Meanwhile their rankings in the pros eyes stay the same.

[dwmyers]

We've had really lousy luck with guys that skyrocketed up the draft charts. We drafted Ebeneezer Ekuban (round 1, #20) after he came from nowhere in the draft charts and also Quincy Carter (round 2, #53), who was being pulled up draft charts very late, as a kind of poor man's Michael Vick.

Patrick Kerney would have been a conservative choice at DE in 1999 and ended up being a better player, and there were a handful of better options at #37 the year we drafted Q.

We're high enough on the draft boards we don't need to out think ourselves. Our major needs are RT and FS, both of which can be found in rounds 2-4. #9 this year seems best poised as a BPA pick, not a "reach" pick.

[The Realist]

Powe in 3 or 4 or put 20 pounds on Dareus.

[dmq]

Saying this guy can't move up far enough in the draft boards to be considered a viable pick at #9 is ludicrous. Everyone running a 3-4 needs a guy with a big body in the middle and there aren't many of them around. Let's see how he does at the combine before we pass such judgment. This doesn't mean I want him. I want Robert Quinn.

[TheCount]

Saying this guy can't move up far enough in the draft boards to be considered a viable pick at #9 is ludicrous. Everyone running a 3-4 needs a guy with a big body in the middle and there aren't many of them around. Let's see how he does at the combine before we pass such judgment. This doesn't mean I want him. I want Robert Quinn.

The combine should have very little effect on his draft position. He's a NT, not a CB or WR who can boost his stock lots with a good 40 time.

About the only thug that can make Taylor look good at 9 is his NFL career.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

The combine should have very little effect on his draft position. He's a NT, not a CB or WR who can boost his stock lots with a good 40 time.

About the only thug that can make Taylor look good at 9 is his NFL career.


-1 rep for Freudian racist slip

[TheCount]

-1 rep for Freudian racist slip

You can blame Steve Jobs for that one. I don't know of any character issues with Phil personally.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

You can blame Steve Jobs for that one. I don't know of any character issues with Phil personally.


I know what you meant to gay, it happens to the breast of us

[StanleySpadowski]

You can blame Steve Jobs for that one. I don't know of any character issues with Phil personally.


Unless you don't consider participating in and possibly instigating not one but two off-field brawls and being kicked off a team or having a repuation as lazy a character issue, then no, he has no issues.

[burmafrd]

Only reason to take a guy with some charactor issues is that he is so much better then what you have or is so much better than anyone available at that pick. Basically like Dez was for us.
Taylor in no way is good enough to make it to the top 20 let alone the top 10. The guy is a TWO DOWN PLAYER.

[jnday]

Only reason to take a guy with some charactor issues is that he is so much better then what you have or is so much better than anyone available at that pick. Basically like Dez was for us.
Taylor in no way is good enough to make it to the top 20 let alone the top 10. The guy is a TWO DOWN PLAYER.

Much like Dareus. A two down player.

[TheCount]

Unless you don't consider participating in and possibly instigating not one but two off-field brawls and being kicked off a team or having a repuation as lazy a character issue, then no, he has no issues.

It's literally impossible for me to have a take on the fighting since I don't know the contex. Fighting alone is not, in and of itself, a character issue on my book. Not all these kiss grew up in an environment that frowned on fighting over nonsense.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

It's literally impossible for me to have a take on the fighting since I don't know the contex. Fighting alone is not, in and of itself, a character issue on my book. Not all these kiss grew up in an environment that frowned on fighting over nonsense.


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I say keep posting from the iPhone. Its like a fun little Wheres Waldo to find the error.



As for Phil Taylor, why not just sign the original in Shaun Rogers instead? The 2nd round is definitely where we should be targeting our tackle.

[ThreeSportStar80]

No way would I select Phil Taylor with the 9th overall pick...

[28 Joker]

I think this guy is one inch too tall to take in the first round, imo. I wouldn't take him early or in the mid first, based on his height. His weakness is playing too high at times.

If he was 6 foot 3, I think that I would like him better.

If you are shorter, you have an easier time staying lower.

However, John Henderson begs to differ, but he played in a 43.

Casey Hampton is 6-1.

B.J. Raji is 6-3.

Vince Wilfork is 6-2.

Jamal Williams is 6-3.

[The Realist]

I think this guy is one inch too tall to take in the first round, imo. I wouldn't take him early or in the mid first, based on his height. His weakness is playing too high at times.

If he was 6 foot 3, I think that I would like him better.

If you are shorter, you have an easier time staying lower.

However, John Henderson begs to differ, but he played in a 43.

Casey Hampton is 6-1.

B.J. Raji is 6-3.

Vince Wilfork is 6-2.

Jamal Williams is 6-3.

I think his talent is too short to take him in the first round.

[MonsterD]

Was it about two months ago people were talking about him going in the fourth round??? Now he is a top ten pick, huh?:duh: Unless he literally picked up the O-line in the practice at Senior Bowl and threw them aside like a child would a toy doll, no way he just jumped that much up.

[realtick]

I think this guy is one inch too tall to take in the first round, imo. I wouldn't take him early or in the mid first, based on his height. His weakness is playing too high at times.

If he was 6 foot 3, I think that I would like him better.

If you are shorter, you have an easier time staying lower.

However, John Henderson begs to differ, but he played in a 43.

Casey Hampton is 6-1.

B.J. Raji is 6-3.

Vince Wilfork is 6-2.

Jamal Williams is 6-3.

Antonio Garay is 6'4", Shaun Rogers is 6'4"...

Playing and keeping your pad level "low" is technique. Taylor is not physically limited because he may be an inch taller than the players you mentioned.

Besides, he's listed at 6' 3.5" at the Senior Bowl.

Lol, seriously, you've got some weird takes on physical measurements. You stated in another thread that Prince Amukamara and/or Patrick Peterson had to run at least a 4.3 to beat out Mike Jenkins or Terrence Newman.

C'mon man, lol.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Youre over-thinking it. This dude could have a tiny head or something and make it moot. Just watch his youtubes/NFLN highlights and see if he puts in the effort to get low, or shed blocks.

.......I havent done that yet. All I saw was the Senior Bowl and he looked to have potential. It could have been one of the few plays where he went all out and the others he took off. I dont know what his rotational patterns were, but I did notice him pushing guys back a few yards. If hes a dude who can only load up and do that once a series than forget it. IIRC Terrence Cody is looking pretty busty(no pun intended)

[Cover 2]

Youre over-thinking it. This dude could have a tiny head or something and make it moot. Just watch his youtubes/NFLN highlights and see if he puts in the effort to get low, or shed blocks.

.......I havent done that yet. All I saw was the Senior Bowl and he looked to have potential. It could have been one of the few plays where he went all out and the others he took off. I dont know what his rotational patterns were, but I did notice him pushing guys back a few yards. If hes a dude who can only load up and do that once a series than forget it. IIRC Terrence Cody is looking pretty busty(no pun intended)
Not as "busty" as Andre Smith

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[MarionBarberThe4th]

Not as "busty" as Andre Smith

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LOL I'm not even going to ask how you found that.

[jterrell]

He isn't a top 50 player for his collegiate career. He is moving up based upon rare size and the fact he handled the Senior Bowl well.

I'd accept him at 41 but do not think he is a difference maker in the pros just a gap filler on running downs.

Even in the Senior Bowl game I didn't like how quickly he tired. Hew si a very big boy who can handle limited reps even after an entire college football season.

[The Realist]

Desperate teams draft the Junior Siavii's of the world at 36

Like Taylor in 4.

Love him in 5.

Otherwise no interest.

Let someone else reach.

[The30YardSlant]

Fat, lazy, personal and emotional issues

No thanks

[newnationcb]

People can say he only showed up at the Senior bowl.......and I'm not too big on college football so I can't say I followed him that closely but if the one youtube clip with his plays (remember not highlights) is any indication of how he played in college, then he's a top 20 pick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezk5xKe_vHg

[The Realist]

People can say he only showed up at the Senior bowl.......and I'm not too big on college football so I can't say I followed him that closely but if the one youtube clip with his plays (remember not highlights) is any indication of how he played in college, then he's a top 20 pick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezk5xKe_vHg

Top 20?

He looked like garbage.

I read something today that said his best fit is in a 4-3.

I agree.

[realtick]

Top 20?

He looked like garbage.

I read something today that said his best fit is in a 4-3.

I agree.

I don't think he's Top 20 by any stretch.

Having said that, what are you talking about him looking like garbage?

He was making a lot of plays in that video most 340 lb NTs don't.

So as the thinking goes, you know what he can do, now you try to work on technique to eliminate the mistakes and develop consistancy.

[TheCount]

Top 20?

He looked like garbage.

I read something today that said his best fit is in a 4-3.

I agree.

Why is his best fit in the 4-3, in your opinion?

[The Realist]

Why is his best fit in the 4-3, in your opinion?

Despite his size his strength is more quickness and pursuit then it is taking on double teams and holding the point. Plays way, way too high. You can get away with that when you are 1 on 1 and trying to get up the field a little more. You can't away with that at all as a 3-4 NT.

He's not Wilfork, Raji, Ngata, Hampton or Jamaal Williams.

He's a project at best at NT and I don't think you take those at 40.

By the way, Baylor was 79th vs the run in 2010, and 98th in 2009.

[realtick]

Despite his size his strength is more quickness and pursuit then it is taking on double teams and holding the point. Plays way, way too high. You can get away with that when you are 1 on 1 and trying to get up the field a little more. You can't away with that at all as a 3-4 NT.

He's not Wilfork, Raji, Ngata, Hampton or Jamaal Williams.

He's a project at best at NT and I don't think you take those at 40.

By the way, Baylor was 79th vs the run in 2010, and 98th in 2009.

You're right, that ranking falls squarely on one player (Taylor), not the 10 other players on defensive side of the ball. Especially, with all the other defensive stalwarts he plays along with, what were their names again?

[TheCount]

Despite his size his strength is more quickness and pursuit then it is taking on double teams and holding the point. Plays way, way too high. You can get away with that when you are 1 on 1 and trying to get up the field a little more. You can't away with that at all as a 3-4 NT.

He's not Wilfork, Raji, Ngata, Hampton or Jamaal Williams.

He's a project at best at NT and I don't think you take those at 40.

By the way, Baylor was 79th vs the run in 2010, and 98th in 2009.

Those comparisons aren't fair, in my opinion. You've obviously stacked the deck against him in that regard.

If you want to compare him with 2nd round NT's, you're looking more at guys like Ron Brace, Torrell Troup, and Terrance Cody.

I think he's a valid 2nd round prospect at our draft position. #9, to me, is out of the question but to say you don't take guys like Taylor at 40 isn't true, that's actually precisely where you'd look at a guy like Taylor.

[The Realist]

Those comparisons aren't fair, in my opinion. You've obviously stacked the deck against him in that regard.

If you want to compare him with 2nd round NT's, you're looking more at guys like Ron Brace, Torrell Troup, and Terrance Cody.

I think he's a valid 2nd round prospect at our draft position. #9, to me, is out of the question but to say you don't take guys like Taylor at 40 isn't true, that's actually precisely where you'd look at a guy like Taylor.

Brace, Troup, Cody............

I don't think this 6-10 team has the luxury of drafting backups at 40 who are 2-3 year projects. You are already going to get those in round 3-4.

We need "right now" football players 1-2.

Given that we already have a young NT with a high motor unlike Taylor, I'll take a Powe in 4 as a backup.

Hell, I'll take Chris Nield in 5-7 who is a Kelly Gregg clone and has already started 3 years at NT in a 3-3-5.

[Sam I Am]

I think we should trade up in the top 5 then draft Taylor. :cool:

[Sam I Am]

Not as "busty" as Andre Smith

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You should be beaten and stabbed then ban from CZ for posting that god awful picture. :puke:

[TheCount]

Brace, Troup, Cody............

I don't think this 6-10 team has the luxury of drafting backups at 40 who are 2-3 year projects. You are already going to get those in round 3-4.

We need "right now" football players 1-2.

Given that we already have a young NT with a high motor unlike Taylor, I'll take a Powe in 4 as a backup.

Hell, I'll take Chris Nield in 5-7 who is a Kelly Gregg clone and has already started 3 years at NT in a 3-3-5.

I think you missed the point of my previous post, suffice to say I am not arguing Taylor should be the pick in the 2nd round, I am saying that is when you start considering a guy like that.

[DFWJC]

Taylor's been skyrocketing up draft boards and could go as early 15 to Miami or 21 to Kansas City. If he continues this surge could he become another option for us at 9? Teams usually put a premium on Nose Tackles in the draft and from a financial standpoint NT makes more sense to shell out big bucks than a 5-technique.
No...I don't think he would.

[jterrell]

Brace, Troup, Cody............

I don't think this 6-10 team has the luxury of drafting backups at 40 who are 2-3 year projects. You are already going to get those in round 3-4.

We need "right now" football players 1-2.

Given that we already have a young NT with a high motor unlike Taylor, I'll take a Powe in 4 as a backup.

Hell, I'll take Chris Nield in 5-7 who is a Kelly Gregg clone and has already started 3 years at NT in a 3-3-5.

Taylor has one year of real college football. It would unfair to compare him with a guy like Cody who was a proven (fat) performer.

Taylor started at Penn St and left then played really only 1 solid season. He had 50 total tackles at Baylor, 38 this past season.

Ironic note here but Von Miller who most love as a top 10 prospect had the same paltry 38 solo tackles.

Taylor has a high upside but he isn't in great shape, wasn't a big-time college difference maker and logically fits as a gap plugger in a rotation.

[The Realist]

I think you missed the point of my previous post, suffice to say I am not arguing Taylor should be the pick in the 2nd round, I am saying that is when you start considering a guy like that.

That's fair...........

I'd say comps like Brace and Cody were clearly better than he was in college.

I'd also say that Brent is holding is own production-wise vs any of those 2nd round NT's you mentioned.

[dbair1967]

Taylor's been skyrocketing up draft boards and could go as early 15 to Miami or 21 to Kansas City. If he continues this surge could he become another option for us at 9? Teams usually put a premium on Nose Tackles in the draft and from a financial standpoint NT makes more sense to shell out big bucks than a 5-technique.

No, he cant. He isnt even remotely close to being worth the 9th pick overall.