"Finally".... The Rock Returns.

[zrinkill]

Rock will be "hosting" Wrestlemania.

He looked great last night and has not lost a step on the Mic.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

This is the sports zone :)

[zrinkill]

This is the sports zone :)

Thanks for the post ..... now go watch Glee.

[SkinsandTerps]

Rock will be "hosting" Wrestlemania.

He looked great last night and has not lost a step on the Mic.

The Rock's personna brings the casual fan like myself into the fold.

Smart move by both sides.

My guess is that his Disney contract is up. And for him to go back to this that he knows so well is easy and still plenty of money.

I didn't see it. But it certainly interests me.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Thanks for the post ..... now go watch Glee.


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[zrinkill]

You post that in every wrestling thread that gets started ...... we get it ..... you do not like watching wrestling as a TV show like some of us do.

Nobody thinks it is real competition ......

[SkinsandTerps]

MB4, it is not as real as they present it but neither is the hate among most athletes.

I don't watch it anymore, and have not at all since the Rock left. But it is sports entertainment.

Those guys take beatings and have the scars and x-rays to prove it.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

A. No I dont

2. Thats not true

C. I love the Rock

3. You are wrong

B. Im just playin

[zrinkill]

MB4, it is not as real as they present it but neither is the hate among most athletes.

I don't watch it anymore, and have not at all since the Rock left. But it is sports entertainment.

Those guys take beatings and have the scars and x-rays to prove it.

Its just another TV show to me ...... a live action comic book.

[Muhast]

Everybody knows it's not real, but it is still good entertainment. Watch this and you'll agree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU4TDGlbTz8

[DallasGirl50]

Love Rock. He looks great.

[Joe Rod]

OMG, wrestling is fake???????? :( :laugh2:

The Rock used to crack me up. Great entertainer in the ring.

[Aikmaniac]

OMG, wrestling is fake???????? :( :laugh2:

The Rock used to crack me up. Great entertainer in the ring.

That promo he cut was the best since...well, since he was last involved 7 years ago.

Dude has swolen up too. He is large.

I haven't watched wrestling a lick since he left. I will now be buying the Wrestlemania PPV.

[zrinkill]

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[Aikmaniac]

z, thanks a ton!

He is the best...period. No one is better on the mic.

[DFWJC]

Its just another TV show to me ...... a live action comic book.
That's a good description.

[Hostile]

z, thanks a ton!

He is the best...period. No one is better on the mic.Best I ever saw on the mic for sure. As good as Stone Cold was, and HHH is, no one comes close to the Rock. The stuff with peek-a-boo and Michael Cole's anonymous General Manager is absolutely classic Rock.

[zrinkill]

Best I ever saw on the mic for sure. As good as Stone Cold was, and HHH is, no one comes close to the Rock. The stuff with peek-a-boo and Michael Cole's anonymous General Manager is absolutely classic Rock.

Calling Cena a big bowl of fruity pebbles ..... :laugh2:

[DallasGirl50]

Rock is smart. He got out of the WWE at the height of his popularity and left on good terms and with his health intact. He has a good relationship with the McMahon's which allows him to do this WM gig (I imagine they are paying him a pretty penny to do this) and he still retains his popularity with all the fans who remember him for the great showman he is....nobody does the mic work Rock has done. He's the absolute best at that.

[Lodeus]

Calling Cena a big bowl of fruity pebbles ..... :laugh2:
I loved that whole bit. :laugh2:

[Romo 2 Austin]

Even that bored me, WWE is dead, them blocking out Rock saying "***" just shows how sad the product is in comparison to TNA

[Hostile]

Even that bored me, WWE is dead, them blocking out Rock saying "***" just shows how sad the product is in comparison to TNAIt is blocked out to be on this site. It wasn't blocked out last night. TNA is at best a weak wannabe.

[Romo 2 Austin]

It is blocked out to be on this site. It wasn't blocked out last night. TNA is at best a weak wannabe.

The woman wear less clothes, there is more blood and their is cursing, better wrestling. TNA is honestly better than it was when people checked in last year, it just has a bad stigma/stink attached to it because of the despicable stuff they aired last year at this time. Now its changed, AJ Styles is the best complete performer in the industry under 35 now.

[DallasGirl50]

I just read the other day where TNA is in financial trouble. Doesn't surprise me.

[Ren]

Another reason to watch for the next few moths besides besides

Alberto Del Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrio

[Hostile]

The woman wear less clothes, there is more blood and their is cursing, better wrestling. TNA is honestly better than it was when people checked in last year, it just has a bad stigma/stink attached to it because of the despicable stuff they aired last year at this time. Now its changed, AJ Styles is the best complete performer in the industry under 35 now.Not one word of this I am going to give an ounce of weight to.

[Ren]

The woman wear less clothes, there is more blood and their is cursing, better wrestling. TNA is honestly better than it was when people checked in last year, it just has a bad stigma/stink attached to it because of the despicable stuff they aired last year at this time. Now its changed, AJ Styles is the best complete performer in the industry under 35 now.

Del Rio is better, he's way better on the mic and if you doubt his in ring skill just check out some of his matches in Mexico as Dos Caras JR. As a all around performer there's no one better then him under 35

[Romo 2 Austin]

Del Rio is better, he's way better on the mic and if you doubt his in ring skill just check out some of his matches in Mexico as Dos Caras JR. As a all around performer there's no one better then him under 35

Del Rio is JBL Lite, he's boring he doesn't have the feel of a wrestler, more of just an entertainer, but that is what WWE is going for so I guess purpose served.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I just read the other day where TNA is in financial trouble. Doesn't surprise me.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=TNA#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=TNA+financial+trouble&cp=16&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=nws:1&source=og&sa=N&tab=wn&fp=f54ca647c014eaff


I can't find anything of the sort, and from what I heard on pwinsiderelite podcasts TNA was profitable last year after turning it around when they were running in the red last year in march/april, and are running shows drawing double the people nowadays (7,000 gate at a show a few weeks back), so if they were profitable last year they are pulling in much more now.


and TNA is ruling the Europe markets, starting in 2012 their television exposure is to 60m in the UK, while WWE only reaches 10m, and that is from tv deals they acquired because of Hogan/Bischoff, they take heat on the fact that there old, but what they wanted out of them is starting to pay off.

[Aikmaniac]

TNA is doing what it has to do to compete. Yeah, they have retreads and Vince Russo as a writer (GAG!), but who doesn't want to see Sting, Hogan, Angle, Jeff Jarrett, etc.? I've knocked around the idea of seeing it live at Universal Studios Orlando but haven't yet.

I have to say that the WWE has been total crap in my opinion. I've watched a PPV or two the last few years trying to get interested but just can't. The TLC matches have been epic through the years though.

Man, the WWE needed The Rock more than ever. Can you imagine how many extra buys McMahon will get for WrestleMania?

[Ren]

Del Rio is JBL Lite, he's boring he doesn't have the feel of a wrestler, more of just an entertainer, but that is what WWE is going for so I guess purpose served.


Doesn't have the feel of a wrestler? :laugh2:

He fought Lucha Libre style in MMA on the side for extra money including places like Pride and has a winning record. You don't get much more "Wrestler" then that. Watch some of his matches in Mexico as Dos Caras jr if you doubt his skill

A JBL with skill would be more accurate description, JBL was a legend on the mic and Del Rio is just as good

[DallasGirl50]

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=TNA#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=TNA+financial+trouble&cp=16&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=nws:1&source=og&sa=N&tab=wn&fp=f54ca647c014eaff


I can't find anything of the sort, and from what I heard on pwinsiderelite podcasts TNA was profitable last year after turning it around when they were running in the red last year in march/april, and are running shows drawing double the people nowadays (7,000 gate at a show a few weeks back), so if they were profitable last year they are pulling in much more now.


and TNA is ruling the Europe markets, starting in 2012 their television exposure is to 60m in the UK, while WWE only reaches 10m, and that is from tv deals they acquired because of Hogan/Bischoff, they take heat on the fact that there old, but what they wanted out of them is starting to pay off.


It was on one of the wrestling boards I read..Rajah maybe...TNA PPV's do very poorly buyout wise...they play to what 5K a week in that studio they're in?

Comparing TNA to the WWE is a bit like comparing Arena Football to the NFL.

Still trying to figure out why they would put a world championship belt on Jeff Hardy who could be going away to the federal pen...

I try to watch it sometimes cause I like Angle...I like a few of their wrestlers but to me it's like WCW regurgitated. Few good wrestlers but most have no pop.

[Romo 2 Austin]

It was on one of the wrestling boards I read..Rajah maybe...TNA PPV's do very poorly buyout wise...they play to what 5K a week in that studio they're in?

Comparing TNA to the WWE is a bit like comparing Arena Football to the NFL.

Still trying to figure out why they would put a world championship belt on Jeff Hardy who could be going away to the federal pen...

I try to watch it sometimes cause I like Angle...I like a few of their wrestlers but to me it's like WCW regurgitated. Few good wrestlers but most have no pop.

They have been doing better buyrates, improvement is a good thing. They had their first impact out of the studio taped yesterday, and will do more considering it had 7k people draw.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Doesn't have the feel of a wrestler? :laugh2:

He fought Lucha Libre style in MMA on the side for extra money including places like Pride and has a winning record. You don't get much more "Wrestler" then that. Watch some of his matches in Mexico as Dos Caras jr if you doubt his skill

A JBL with skill would be more accurate description, JBL was a legend on the mic and Del Rio is just as good

I just don't feel him as a legitimate main eventer, mid-carder sure, main eventer he just doesn't fit.

[Ren]

I just don't feel him as a legitimate main eventer, mid-carder sure, main eventer he just doesn't fit.

WWE has done a poor job of showcasing his actual in ring skill, a lot of that has to do with who they've been matching him up.
It takes 2 people to make a good match and when he's spent the majority of his time in WWE going against Mysterio you're just not going to see it due to those matches needing to set up Mysterios tired routine.

[DallasGirl50]

They have been doing better buyrates, improvement is a good thing. They had their first impact out of the studio taped yesterday, and will do more considering it had 7k people draw.


Funny. You just proved what I was saying. TNA draws 7K on a good night and WWE draws what twice that on a bad night?

It's ok..if Angle leaves I won't watch them at all and didn't watch much when he was gone...I still don't get the Jeff Hardy love. Dude is one court date away from going to jail and I think that court date is tomorrow if I remember right. I'm not much for watching Flair embarrass himself by pretending he's still got wrestling skills...Hulk is done wrestling forever but he can come out and talk I guess.

I do agree with you about Del Rio. To me he's not a main event guy but he's getting that push.

[kmp77]

Just now watching the Rock's appearance on raw. He's still got it. Just not the same after him and stone cold left.

Ouch, he just burried Cena, lol.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Can somebody find this guy a movie franchise? He needs his own Terminator, Die Hard, Rocky, Lethal Weapon etc.

Hes too cool to waste away in Disney Movies or tag along in another Fast and Furious

[SaltwaterServr]

Just now watching the Rock's appearance on raw. He's still got it. Just not the same after him and stone cold left.

Ouch, he just burried Cena, lol.

Yeah, that intro was electric. I'm not a WWE fan by any means, but we used to watch it all the time at a friend's bar in San Marcos before heading out to 6th street in Austin. That was around 2000-2001, so just about the heyday of Stone Cold, Triple H, Rock, etc.

Vince McMahon knows how to put on a show, cultivate the personalities, and make people not give a flying * that the entire thing is fake.

[daschoo]

and TNA is ruling the Europe markets, starting in 2012 their television exposure is to 60m in the UK, while WWE only reaches 10m, and that is from tv deals they acquired because of Hogan/Bischoff, they take heat on the fact that there old, but what they wanted out of them is starting to pay off.

thats 60m who can watch tna not who do, we have a population of around 5m, south of the border theres around 55m, think the welsh and n. irish have around 3m each so unless you're saying 95% of us watch tna your numbers fairly irrelevant. plus the only reason the number is so much higher than wwe is because its recently gone on freeview (free digital tv) whereas wwe is on sky (subscription satelite tv) another point worth making is that while wwe is established enough over here to be able to charge for its ppv's tna puts them out on freeview. raw and the ppv's are shown live whereas impact is shown 5 days after in the U.S. and the ppv's are 3 days behind.
don't get me wrong i prefer tna but to use potential viewing figures as a reason its better is a stretch at best

[Romo 2 Austin]

Funny. You just proved what I was saying. TNA draws 7K on a good night and WWE draws what twice that on a bad night?

It's ok..if Angle leaves I won't watch them at all and didn't watch much when he was gone...I still don't get the Jeff Hardy love. Dude is one court date away from going to jail and I think that court date is tomorrow if I remember right. I'm not much for watching Flair embarrass himself by pretending he's still got wrestling skills...Hulk is done wrestling forever but he can come out and talk I guess.

I do agree with you about Del Rio. To me he's not a main event guy but he's getting that push.

WWE live event gates have been going down fast, TNA has been going up fast. 2 years ago they set a record in Westbury at a show I attended, 3k people at the show, 2 years later 7k. Thats a good rate of growth.

[zrinkill]

I just don't feel him as a legitimate main eventer, mid-carder sure, main eventer he just doesn't fit.

You mean like A.J. Styles?

He was a Jober in WWE.

No mic skills.

[Biggems]

Guys like the Rock, Austin, and Flair are so rare.....so few can grab the mic, and entertain for over 20 minutes and keep the fans on their feet and cheering loudly.

I like Cena on the mic, but I feel he has regressed, and become a company man. If he could go back to the old Cena, when he would rhyme and mock others he would be outstanding.

Jericho, Edge, HHH, and HBK are very good as well, even for long stretches....but no one can top those first 3....they are simply iconic on the mic and in the ring.

[zrinkill]

WWE live event gates have been going down fast, TNA has been going up fast. 2 years ago they set a record in Westbury at a show I attended, 3k people at the show, 2 years later 7k. Thats a good rate of growth.

Bull ...

[zrinkill]

Here are some recent WWE & TNA TV ratings courtesy of The Wrestling Observer Newsletter.

-- TNA iMPACT! on 1/28 drew a final 1.4 cable rating (rounded up from a 1.38) with 1.87 million viewers. The overall rating was a Thursday record for the show on Spike TV. The show did a 1.01 in males 18-34 and 1.31 in males 35-49.

-- WWE Monday Night RAW on 1/25 drew a final 3.6 cable rating (rounded up from a 3.59) with 5.14 million viewers. The show did a 2.99 in males 18-49.

And here is this weeks figures.

The 2/10 TNA Impact drew a 1.2 cable rating with 1.7 million viewers.

Mondays Raw did a 3.14 cable rating on Valentine's Day with 4.8 million viewers

:laugh1:

[daschoo]

tna ppv buyrates down around 35% since 2007 according to this
http://rajah.com/base/node/21818

[Hostile]

Guys like the Rock, Austin, and Flair are so rare.....so few can grab the mic, and entertain for over 20 minutes and keep the fans on their feet and cheering loudly.

I like Cena on the mic, but I feel he has regressed, and become a company man. If he could go back to the old Cena, when he would rhyme and mock others he would be outstanding.

Jericho, Edge, HHH, and HBK are very good as well, even for long stretches....but no one can top those first 3....they are simply iconic on the mic and in the ring.Agree with every word of this post. Every single word of it.

[Romo 2 Austin]

You mean like A.J. Styles?

He was a Jober in WWE.

No mic skills.

Wasn't in wwe

[Romo 2 Austin]

Bull ...

No it's fact

[Romo 2 Austin]

tna ppv buyrates down around 35% since 2007 according to this
http://rajah.com/base/node/21818

WWE's are down alot sharper than that, and that may not be 100% fact. Im guessing its not, but its possible considering TNA has a more internet-savvy fanbase, and streaming of TNA ppvs is very common.

[Hostile]

Wasn't in wweA. J. Styles wasn't?

Oh yes he was, back when it was WWF. And zrinkill is right, he was a jobber, a ham and egger, a nobody.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.J._Styles

wrestled several matches for the WWF on WWF Jakked (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWF_Jakked/Metal). Styles was offered a developmental deal by the WWF in April 2002. The offered contract (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract) was for US$ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_dollar)500 per week and required Styles to relocate to Cincinnati, Ohio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati), where the Heartland Wrestling Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartland_Wrestling_Association) developmental territory was located.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.J._Styles#cite_note-SLAM-3) He declined to sign because moving would interfere with his wife's college plans.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.J._Styles#cite_note-SLAM-3)[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.J._Styles#cite_note-south-5)

[zrinkill]

considering TNA has a more internet-savvy fanbase, and streaming of TNA ppvs is very common.

:lmao2:

Where did you get this newest bullcrap from?

[Romo 2 Austin]

A. J. Styles wasn't?

Oh yes he was, back when it was WWF. And zrinkill is right, he was a jobber, a ham and egger, a nobody.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.J._Styles

After WCW was purchased by the World Wrestling Federation in March 2001, Styles was left without a job. He returned to NWA Wildside, where he competed for the Wildside Heavyweight Championship and wrestled several matches for the WWF on WWF Jakked. Styles was offered a developmental deal by the WWF in April 2002. The offered contract was for US$500 per week and required Styles to relocate to Cincinnati, Ohio, where the Heartland Wrestling Association developmental territory was located.[4] He declined to sign because moving would interfere with his wife's college plans.[4][6]



he was brought in for WWE Jaked, basically every indy wrestler that wasn't crap back than was. They did that on Heat and Velocity aswell, he wasn't a WWE wrestler.

[Romo 2 Austin]

:lmao2:

Where did you get this newest bullcrap from?

The audience is younger? Looking around in school, people aren't ashamed to wear TNA clothes as they would be WWE. TNA is considered "cool".

[Hostile]

he was brought in for WWE Jaked, basically every indy wrestler that wasn't crap back than was. They did that on Heat and Velocity aswell, he wasn't a WWE wrestler.You contradict yourself from sentence one to sentence too. Yes he was. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

[zrinkill]

Wasn't in wwe

Then you really are as clueless as many claim you to be. He was a jobber in both WWE/F and WCW.

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[Hostile]

The audience is younger? Looking around in school, people aren't ashamed to wear TNA clothes as they would be WWE. TNA is considered "cool".My daughter's HS has over 3000 students. I am quite active there as a parent. I have never seen a TNA shirt. I have seen hundreds of WWE shirts.

[Hostile]

Then you really are as clueless as many claim you to be. He was a jobber in both WWE/F and WCW.

XR5tIFlhetwRomo 2 Austin >>> :spanking: <<<zrinkill

[zrinkill]

The audience is younger?

Bull .....

TNA audiences consist of the old wcw and ecw fans who hate WWE because he crushed their favorite shows.

Oh and kids like you who know nothing about the history of sports entertainment.

[Romo 2 Austin]

You contradict yourself from sentence one to sentence too. Yes he was. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

He wasn't under contract, if you go work for a construction company 4 times, make $20/hr were you an employee of that construction company or a laborer?

[Romo 2 Austin]

Bull .....

TNA audiences consist of the old wcw and ecw fans who hate WWE because he crushed their favorite shows.

Oh and kids like you who know nothing about the history of sports entertainment.

I was a diehard WWE fan until it went to hell, 2002-2004, Angle-Lesnar, simple greatness. Everything Shawn Michaels did, til he retired, greatness.

[Hostile]

He wasn't under contract, if you go work for a construction company 4 times, make $20/hr were you an employee of that construction company or a laborer?You said "he wasn't in WWE."

Do you deny this?

Now, if I am a laborer making that kind of money for 4 days work was I on their job site? If you say no you prove every critic you have right.

[Romo 2 Austin]

You said "he wasn't in WWE."

Do you deny this?

Now, if I am a laborer making that kind of money for 4 days work was I on their job site? If you say no you prove every critic you have right.

Yes, and no I don't, I knew he worked as them as a brought-in jobber, but he wasn't IN WWE, he turned down the contract to become apart of the "wwe universe".

[zrinkill]

I was a diehard WWE fan until it went to hell, 2002-2004, Angle-Lesnar, simple greatness. Everything Shawn Michaels did, til he retired, greatness.

So you were a "diehard fan" when you were 9?

:lmao:

Give me a break.

[zrinkill]

Yes, and no I don't, I knew he worked as them as a brought-in jobber, but he wasn't IN WWE, he turned down the contract to become apart of the "wwe universe".

He worked for WWE

Your denial is making you look stupid.

[Romo 2 Austin]

So you were a "diehard fan" when you were 9?

:lmao:

Give me a break.

I have the merch to prove it. Went to SummerSlam 02, Rock vs Brock.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SummerSlam_(2002)

look at that card, I still remember the buildup, the emotional HHH vs HBK match. That was when WWE was great.

[zrinkill]

I have the merch to prove it. Went to SummerSlam 02, Rock vs Brock.

:lmao2:

[Hostile]

Yes, and no I don't, I knew he worked as them as a brought-in jobber, but he wasn't IN WWE, he turned down the contract to become apart of the "wwe universe".Thank you. You once again have contradicted yourself and proven he was in WWE.

http://vuilblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Snake_fail.jpg

[Romo 2 Austin]

:lmao2:

Don't know whats so funny about that.

[daschoo]

just because he was a jobber years ago doesn't mean anything. austin wasn't used right in wcw, doesn't undermine what he went on to do in wwe

[Romo 2 Austin]

Thank you. You once again have contradicted yourself and proven he was in WWE.

http://vuilblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Snake_fail.jpg

I guess we have different opinions on what in a company means, do you think "The Rock" is in WWE right now? I don't, after Wrestlemania he'll be long gone. He's serving a role, as an independent contractor.

[Romo 2 Austin]

just because he was a jobber years ago doesn't mean anything. austin wasn't used right in wcw, doesn't undermine what he went on to do in wwe

Good point, thank you.

[zrinkill]

just because he was a jobber years ago doesn't mean anything. austin wasn't used right in wcw, doesn't undermine what he went on to do in wwe

He is one of the top fish in a much smaller pond ....... he does not want to be in WWE because he knows he will be a mid carder there.

Because he does not have the mic skills, look, or ring presence to be a top guy in WWE.

[Romo 2 Austin]

He is one of the top fish in a much smaller pond ....... he does not want to be in WWE because he knows he will be a mid carder there.

Because he does not have the mic skills, look, or ring presence to be a top guy in WWE.

You've obviously not seen him work since that match, 28fHGh4OnQE


2 weeks ago, Fortune turns on Immortal



now the promo




the fans seem pretty excited with his promo, no?

[zrinkill]

I guess we have different opinions on what in a company means, do you think "The Rock" is in WWE right now? I don't, after Wrestlemania he'll be long gone. He's serving a role, as an independent contractor.

So if a wrestler does not have a contract ..... you are saying he does not actually work for that company ..... correct?

Think carefully before answering.

[Hostile]

just because he was a jobber years ago doesn't mean anything. austin wasn't used right in wcw, doesn't undermine what he went on to do in wweAustin and Brian Pillman had a very successful run as the Hollywood Blondes tag team. He certainly wasn't a jobber.

[Romo 2 Austin]

So if a wrestler does not have a contract ..... you are saying he does not actually work for that company ..... correct?

Think carefully before answering.

They work for the company, there not IN the company.

[zrinkill]

28fHGh4OnQE




Horrible.

He belongs in a company where Matt and Jeff Hardy are top guys.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Horrible.

He belongs in a company where Matt and Jeff Hardy are top guys.

yet you enjoy, r3QDEuqwcx4


explains alot. Slow-paced, boring, "hey don't touch me"-rey sounds like its aimed for 5 year olds. Oh wait it is.

[zrinkill]

yet you enjoy, r3QDEuqwcx4


explains alot. Slow-paced, boring, "hey don't touch me"-rey sounds like its aimed for 5 year olds. Oh wait it is.

I do not watch Smackdown often ..... its a second rate show (though still much better than TNA)

[Hostile]

They work for the company, there not IN the company.If they sustain an injury on the job whose Workman's Compensation covers it?

[Romo 2 Austin]

If they sustain an injury on the job whose Workman's Compensation covers it?

The company there working for.


If a company hires a firm to look at the progress their marketing department has made over the past year in increasing sales in Europe, does that company work for the company or are they doing work for that company?

There is a difference.

[zrinkill]

The company there working for.


If a company hires a firm to look at the progress their marketing department has made over the past year in increasing sales in Europe, does that company work for the company or are they doing work for that company?

There is a difference.

Once again you are showing your ignorance about Professional wrestling.

It was not uncommon at all 10 years ago for guys to work on an appearance to appearance basis.

Vader did it for WCW
Nash did it for his last run in WWF (before the recent)
Jericho did it for his 90's run in WWF
Eddie Guerrero did it for his run in WCW after his return from a wreck.
Benoit was actually working like that as WCW champion when he went to WWF ..... he lost the belt to Sid the night before as a favor to Ric Flair only.

Just shut up about things you know nothing about.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Once again you are showing your ignorance about Professional wrestling.

It was not uncommon at all 10 years ago for guys to work on an appearance to appearance basis.

Vader did it for WCW
Nash did it for his last run in WWF (before the recent)
Jericho did it for his 90's run in WWF
Eddie Guerrero did it for his run in WCW after his return from a wreck.
Benoit was actually working like that as WCW champion when he went to WWF ..... he lost the belt to Sid the night before as a favor to Ric Flair only.

Just shut up about things you know nothing about.
Its very common, but he was being brought in with the desire to be a jobber on a appearance to appearance basis, as was a ton of wrestlers on Velocity, Heat and Jakked


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWF_Jakked/Metal

Jakked aired on Saturday nights while Metal aired in the afternoon. Both shows featured matches from the week's events. As a result of the WWE Brand Extension, from April 2002 until the discontinuation of Jakked and Metal in May of that year, both shows began to feature matches from the SmackDown brand, mirroring the format WWE Heat had at the time in relation to the Raw brand. In late May, WWE Velocity premiered and began to serve a similar purpose for the SmackDown brand.

[Hostile]

The company there working for.


If a company hires a firm to look at the progress their marketing department has made over the past year in increasing sales in Europe, does that company work for the company or are they doing work for that company?

There is a difference.Bottom line, if Styles had been injured while working as a WWF jobber his compensation would have been covered by them. Same as a laborer I hire to come work for me. They get hurt, it's on my dime. They are on my job, working for me. It does not matter if they are a full time employee. He was in WWF as a jobber. You admitted it yourself. You can flip flop over all kinds of superficial semantics, but the fact remains he worked there, for them.

Last thing I will say on this subject. Styles does not impress me at all. Never has. I don't see what you see in him. Frankly I think he is boring to listen to and even worse to watch. If he is the best TNA has to offer, then their brand just doesn't cut it.

Some wrestlers stay loyal to a Federation. No doubt about it. The vast majority would much rather work for WWE over TNA if they had a choice. Note, I say this as a former fan of WCW over WWF.

[DallasGirl50]

WWE live event gates have been going down fast, TNA has been going up fast. 2 years ago they set a record in Westbury at a show I attended, 3k people at the show, 2 years later 7k. Thats a good rate of growth.

Well it's obvious you're a TNA fan and think it's the better company..

I am only guessing that WM will draw more thousands for their one PPV than TNA would draw for all their's combined.

To me there is no comparison between the two companies and I don't think Vince worries too much about the competition.

[zrinkill]

Styles does not impress me at all. Never has. I don't see what you see in him. Frankly I think he is boring to listen to and even worse to watch. If he is the best TNA has to offer, then their brand just doesn't cut it.

I think Styles is good in the ring.

He is just horrible on the Mic.

Best thing he ever did was the innocent country boy falling in love with Karen Angle bit a few years ago ......

[Romo 2 Austin]

I think Styles is good in the ring.

He is just horrible on the Mic.

Best thing he ever did was the innocent country boy falling in love with Karen Angle bit a few years ago ......

He used to be horrible on the mic, he's improved greatly since working with Flair the past year.

[Hostile]

I think Styles is good in the ring.

He is just horrible on the Mic.

Best thing he ever did was the innocent country boy falling in love with Karen Angle bit a few years ago ......I don't see anything unique about him in the ring as far as athletic ability that I haven't seen from 2 dozen other guys just like him.

One of my favorite guys on the mic was Ravishing Rick Rude. The guy was a genius. Then in the ring he looked the part and delivered. He could never do the fancy flying around stuff, and he didn't need to.

[Joe Rod]

I don't see anything unique about him in the ring as far as athletic ability that I haven't seen from 2 dozen other guys just like him.

One of my favorite guys on the mic was Ravishing Rick Rude. The guy was a genius. Then in the ring he looked the part and delivered. He could never do the fancy flying around stuff, and he didn't need to.

His whole hip swiveling act after he dropped someone was hysterical.

[BrAinPaiNt]

This thread is full of win.

[the kid 05]

He belongs in a company where Matt and Jeff Hardy are top guys.
]

This makes me miss the days of 90's early early 2000's WWE. Where it was Austin and Rock those matches were, to me, iconic right up there with hulk and andre's match where Hulk slammed Andre.

Matt and Jeff were awesome in those TLC matches with the D3 boys and Edge and Christian

[Aikmaniac]

Ironic that in a thread dedicated to the People's Champ, there's almost two pages worth of AJ Styles posts.

Who in the blue **** is AJ Styles?

[Romo 2 Austin]

Ironic that in a thread dedicated to the People's Champ, there's almost two pages worth of AJ Styles posts.

Who in the blue **** is AJ Styles?

http://www.tnawrestling.com/roster/superstar-roster/item/1602-the-phenomenal-aj-styles

[Hostile]

Ironic that in a thread dedicated to the People's Champ, there's almost two pages worth of AJ Styles posts.

Who in the blue **** is AJ Styles?A young malcontent's pet cat wrestler.

[Aikmaniac]

http://www.tnawrestling.com/roster/superstar-roster/item/1602-the-phenomenal-aj-styles

How old were you when the Rock and Austin were feuding in the WWE/F?

[Romo 2 Austin]

How old were you when the Rock and Austin were feuding in the WWE/F?

I watched the Rock Austin wrestlemania 19 match/leadup to it don't remember it I think I was 10, W19 was the one with that OUTSTANDING Michaels vs Jericho match, first time I was in awe of a in-ring performance that was gimmicked up.

[locked&loaded]

]

This makes me miss the days of 90's early early 2000's WWE. Where it was Austin and Rock those matches were, to me, iconic right up there with hulk and andre's match where Hulk slammed Andre.

Matt and Jeff were awesome in those TLC matches with the D3 boys and Edge and Christian


Buried alive between Austin and The undertaker should be broadcast out in space so that other civilizations may be able to pick it up and can enjoy the greatest thing to ever happen.

[zrinkill]

How old were you when the Rock and Austin were feuding in the WWE/F?

He was between 4 and 8 years old .....

[the kid 05]

Buried alive between Austin and The undertaker should be broadcast out in space so that other civilizations may be able to pick it up and can enjoy the greatest thing to ever happen.

oh man i forgot about that! I remember Austin was supposta be hand cuffed to that i want to say cross type thing, I can't think of what its called and reversed the hand cuffs to get undertaker on it that was mind blowing when i was younger :laugh2:

[locked&loaded]

oh man i forgot about that! I remember Austin was supposta be hand cuffed to that i want to say cross type thing, I can't think of what its called and reversed the hand cuffs to get undertaker on it that was mind blowing when i was younger :laugh2:

hmm I mostly just remember this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkM8CV4IfZI&feature=related

"STUNNER, STUNNER ,STUNNER"

[zrinkill]

Who in the blue **** is AJ Styles?

:lmao2:

[the kid 05]

hmm I mostly just remember this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkM8CV4IfZI&feature=related

"STUNNER, STUNNER ,STUNNER"

good lord that guy can't drive a back hoe to save his life

[DallasGirl50]

I don't see anything unique about him in the ring as far as athletic ability that I haven't seen from 2 dozen other guys just like him.

One of my favorite guys on the mic was Ravishing Rick Rude. The guy was a genius. Then in the ring he looked the part and delivered. He could never do the fancy flying around stuff, and he didn't need to.


I don't remember Rude as ever being anything but a heel and at that he was superb...he was epic on WCW with Sting and all those guys.

Sad that guys like him and Mr. Perfect died so young.

[big dog cowboy]

This thread is full of win.

I'll agree with this.

[BraveHeartFan]

Even that bored me, WWE is dead, them blocking out Rock saying "***" just shows how sad the product is in comparison to TNA

And you continuing to post junk like this shows how ignorant and completely moronic your thoughts are.

TNA is nothing more than WCW lite. It's worse, most of the time, then the dying days of WCW. Fortune and Immortal...where have I seen that before...oh yeah. nWo and 4 Horseman...or Millionaires Club and New Blood. The EXACT same junk that killed WcW.

And now one of the 'big' storylines in TNA is Angle and Jarrett feuding over Karen Angle. Where have I seen that...oh yeah the 10 million Macho Man vs. Anyone over Miss Elizabeth stuff in the 80's and 90's. Yeah really cutting edge stuff there.

TNA is, was, and will forever be a completely crap company that will NEVER be even a remotely serious contender to the WWE. It won't even get close. Never has. Never will.


The woman wear less clothes, there is more blood and their is cursing, better wrestling. TNA is honestly better than it was when people checked in last year, it just has a bad stigma/stink attached to it because of the despicable stuff they aired last year at this time. Now its changed, AJ Styles is the best complete performer in the industry under 35 now.

Just last year? Try every year since they started the place. It's crap. It's had it's very very very brief moments where it's done something solid but for the most part it's been nothing but junk. Either it was Jeff Jarrett's personal ego trip or WCW lite. It's all it's ever been.

And AJ Styles is not, and never will be, the best complete performer cause he's still terrible on the mic. Absolutely awful.

His promo he cut recently where they 'turned' on Immortal was so brutal to listen to it made me want to cry. It was terrible. And Eric Bishoff going out there and just cursing, for the sake of cursing? That's entertaining? His cursing, and put downs, were pathetic. They made him seem like a moronic high school kid who had no idea what he was doing.

Oh...now I get the love of it for you.


Not one word of this I am going to give an ounce of weight to.

As you shouldn't. It's beyond belief how ignorant it is.


You mean like A.J. Styles?

He was a Jober in WWE.

No mic skills.

Never had them and never will have them.

He's like the Vin Diesel of cardboard personality in wrestling.


Here are some recent WWE & TNA TV ratings courtesy of The Wrestling Observer Newsletter.

-- TNA iMPACT! on 1/28 drew a final 1.4 cable rating (rounded up from a 1.38) with 1.87 million viewers. The overall rating was a Thursday record for the show on Spike TV. The show did a 1.01 in males 18-34 and 1.31 in males 35-49.

-- WWE Monday Night RAW on 1/25 drew a final 3.6 cable rating (rounded up from a 3.59) with 5.14 million viewers. The show did a 2.99 in males 18-49.

And here is this weeks figures.

The 2/10 TNA Impact drew a 1.2 cable rating with 1.7 million viewers.

Mondays Raw did a 3.14 cable rating on Valentine's Day with 4.8 million viewers

:laugh1:

OUCH. Sucks when you get slapped in the face with reality. Has TNA ever even drawn a 2.0 cable rating? I'm not sure that I've ever even seen them do it once, let alone do it on a regular basis.

That 1.2 rating is about what people have been showing them drawing for a couple of years now. Meaning during this time of being supposed 'much improved' they still can't draw worth a piss.


Wasn't in wwe

Wrong. Try again.


A. J. Styles wasn't?

Oh yes he was, back when it was WWF. And zrinkill is right, he was a jobber, a ham and egger, a nobody.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.J._Styles


I love how he made every ignorant attempt to act like he wasn't though. It was quite entertaining.

Actually much more entertaining than AJ Styles has ever been on the mic.

:lmao2:

Where did you get this newest bullcrap from?

His ***.


The audience is younger? Looking around in school, people aren't ashamed to wear TNA clothes as they would be WWE. TNA is considered "cool".

LMAO!!!! RIGHT.

That's why I hardly ever see any TNA clothing around my hometown on anyone. You're so full of complete crap it must actually be painful.

Most places around here won't even carry TNA junk cause they can't get rid of it when they do.

[Yeagermeister]

TNA sells t-shirts? Oh boy I'm gonna go buy me a Rhino one right now :rolleyes:

I can't remember ever seeing someone wearing TNA gear and I live in the city Jeff Jarrett got his start in wrestling.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Do you feel the need to defend TNA?
Do you feel the need to defend WWE?
Do you feel you are winning and internet argument over staged performances?
Do you feel it makes you feel better?

Do you...

http://starsmedia.ign.com/stars/image/article/820/820086/the-rock-20070914015530251_640w.jpg

IT DOESN'T MATTER YOU BUNCH OF RUDY POO CANDY ARSES!!!


It really is funny seeing so many argue about this topic. At least R2A has an excuse of being a kid or young guy.

[Yeagermeister]

Do you feel the need to defend TNA?
Do you feel the need to defend WWE?
Do you feel you are winning and internet argument over staged performances?
Do you feel it makes you feel better?

Do you...

http://starsmedia.ign.com/stars/image/article/820/820086/the-rock-20070914015530251_640w.jpg

IT DOESN'T MATTER YOU BUNCH OF RUDY POO CANDY ARSES!!!


It really is funny seeing so many argue about this topic. At least R2A has an excuse of being a kid or young guy.

R2A is gonna layeth the smackith down on your rooty poo candy arse

[big dog cowboy]

Do you feel the need to defend TNA?
Do you feel the need to defend WWE?
Do you feel you are winning and internet argument over staged performances?
Do you feel it makes you feel better?

Do you...

IT DOESN'T MATTER YOU BUNCH OF RUDY POO CANDY ARSES!!!

It really is funny seeing so many argue about this topic. At least R2A has an excuse of being a kid or young guy.
I smell what you are cooking.

(raises eyebrow)

[Yeagermeister]

I smell what you are cooking.

(raises eyebrow)

Everyone can smell his roadkill stew :puke:

[Aikmaniac]

I read that Cena is supposed to "respond" tonight on Raw. Wonder if The Rock shows up or they hold him until Wrestlemania.

[RoyTheHammer]

Just my two cents into the argument.

Growing up i loved the attitude era of the WWF/WWE. DX, the Nation, Austin, Rock, XPac, etc..

I also loved WCW and during the Monday Night Wars i was usually watching both promotions, although i usually spent more time watching Nitro and Goldberg and the NWO. Hall and Nash were two of my favorite guys of all time and WCW was actually beating out the WWE in the ratings for a time. They had a very good product, as did the WWE.

As for now, I absolutely can not stand the WWE anymore. Its like Vince has lost all ability to create new and exciting personalities. Its complete garbage. The only new personalities i can even watch are Shameus and Jack Swagger. All the old draws like HHH and Orten are surrounded by garbage. I mean the Miz as Champion? Embarassing to say the least. Its been a terrible promotion for years, keeping itself afloat by mainstream marketing, special guest appearences, and little else.

TNA is a brand i got into after hearing that Hall and Nash were going to reform the NWO there. I had been watching it a little now and then before that when the New Age Outlaws and some other old WWE guys were on there, and the Main Event Mafia angle was another i enjoyed. They have some good talent there with Angle, Steiner, Samoa Joe, Styles, etc..

It was definately a better product than the WWE for the past few years, and i still love watching Angle, but the company is plagued with bad booking and not being able to use their talent effectively. I do believe they have more intriguing personalities and better wrestlers than the WWE right now (save for a few guys), but they just don't know how to use them at all.

Consequently, my interest in wrestling has faded to the point where i watch Raw and Impact only on occasion when there's nothing else going on on those nights. I definately can't get into it like i used to though.

[zrinkill]

It was definately a better product than the WWE for the past few years

No its not ........... not even close.

[DallasGirl50]

I have to laugh but it only proves how lame TNA can be. I didn't see it but read that they had a little promo on Sting that totally ripped off the same one the WWE used to promote Taker's return.

As I stated before one organization spends a ton of money and it shows...the other looks like they are in a high school gym and most of the wrestlers on there are just ex-WWE guys.

Have to say I do like Angle and I've always liked Sting. I hope Angle comes back to the WWE. Sting is on his last legs..he's 50 I think. Can't have too much left in the tank!

Flair is embarrassingly bad now.

[Hostile]

A series of questions.

How many ex-WWE guys are top guys in TNA?

How many ex-WWE guys are ham and eggers in TNA?

How many ex-TNA guys are top guys in WWE?

How many ex-TNA guys are ham and eggers in WWE?

If WWE and TNA were offering a free agent wrestler the same money where would he be most likely to sign?

[big dog cowboy]

Just a side note: the return of The Rock, HHH and Stone Cold Steve Austin really brings back the memories of the good old days.

[DallasGirl50]

Just a side note: the return of The Rock, HHH and Stone Cold Steve Austin really brings back the memories of the good old days.


Agreed...and just in time for WM all three have new tshirts which will probably sell tons. I saw alot of people with Rock's "I bring it" shirt on already. Vince never misses an opportunity to make a few bucks.

[RoyTheHammer]

Just a side note: the return of The Rock, HHH and Stone Cold Steve Austin really brings back the memories of the good old days.

Yea, its a shame they all can't come back for good. The product has been terrible lately.

Brought back old memories though like you said.

[RoyTheHammer]

No its not ........... not even close.

You're welcome to your opinion, but from your ramblings in this thread it seems to me you haven't watched a whole lot of TNA to be able to make a reasonable comparison.

Having watched both programs, i've been more interested in TNA. Just one man's opinion, but i think the personalities and the bookings have been garbage in the WWE for awhile now. They can't develop new talent anymore.

Where are the big rivalries? The controversial storylines? Who are the big draws?

I'll take the talent at TNA over that in the WWE anyday, save for a few guys like HHH, Orten, Shameus.

[zrinkill]

but from your ramblings in this thread it seems to me you haven't watched a whole lot of TNA to be able to make a reasonable comparison.

Bull ....

I watched when Sting arrived

I watched when Angle was feuding with Samoa Joe with John Cena's cousin trademark in his corner.

I watched the Abyss (killed my daddy) prison crap.

Watched A.J Styles fall in love with Karen Angle.

Watched them turn a good young wrestler into a Macho man clone.

Watched the fallen angel pretend to be Curry man.

Saw Christian arrive

Saw Kennedy Arrive

Saw Hardy Arrive

Saw RVD Arrive

watched Dudley boys vs Nasty boys

Watched the reformation of the New Age Outlaws

Watched the formation of the ME Mafia

Watched them rehash every WWF and WCW gimmick from the 90's .....

Then they got desperate enough to turn to Bischoff and Hogan,

Fail

[MarionBarberThe4th]

So are they going to be able to get him into a match or what?

Id imagine you could protect him from injury if it were tag or something but he might have some contract w/ Disney

[RoyTheHammer]

I'll take rehashed ideas from the attitude era over anything the WWE is doing right now.

Again, where are the new big draws? The controversial storylines? Who are the big names other than Orten and HHH?

They are crap man.

[zrinkill]

I'll take rehashed ideas from the attitude era over anything the WWE is doing right now.

Again, where are the new big draws? The controversial storylines? Who are the big names other than Orten and HHH?

They are crap man.

Cena
Orton
Big Show
Kane
Taker
Mysterio
Edge
Are all established super stars that TNA would fire half their roster for.

Young guys like

Alberto Del Rio
Sheamus
Drew McIntyre

Are still proving themselves ..... but if they went to TNA they would be thrust into the main event instantly,

As far as the Miz ....... that guy has slowly worked his way up the ladder in the company.

He has earned his spot and is as good on the mic as a heel as anyone in the business today (and much better than anyone on TNA)

The guy has earned respect in the WWE lockerroom ...... he was put through hell for being on MTV bye guys like Bradshaw and Bob Holley.

[RoyTheHammer]

Cena
Orton
Big Show
Kane
Taker
Mysterio
Edge
Are all established super stars that TNA would fire half their roster for.

Young guys like

Alberto Del Rio
Sheamus
Drew McIntyre

Are still proving themselves ..... but if they went to TNA they would be thrust into the main event instantly,

As far as the Miz ....... that guy has slowly worked his way up the ladder in the company.

He has earned his spot and is as good on the mic as a heel as anyone in the business today (and much better than anyone on TNA)

The guy has earned respect in the WWE lockerroom ...... he was put through hell for being on MTV bye guys like Bradshaw and Bob Holley.

Del Rio?
The Miz?

Please..these guys are jokes. They would have been nothing more than jobbers in the attitude era. Cena is eh.

Orten, Edge, HHH, Kane, Taker, Big Show.. i like all those guys. But they are being misused in uninteresting storylines. The WWE has gone too PG. There's no edge, no controversy anymore.

Sheamus is the only new guy i like, and Swagger, and Reks looks like he could be decent. Unfortunately, they will all be misused and doofuses like The Miz will continue to be pushed. Wrestling has lost its intensity, its brutality. The Attitude Era was the pinnacle of wrestling. Everything since has gone downhill.

TNA is closer right now to producing a product that was more like what the attitude era was all about, that's why i prefer it over the G rated WWE right now.

[DallasGirl50]

So are they going to be able to get him into a match or what?

Id imagine you could protect him from injury if it were tag or something but he might have some contract w/ Disney


I think Rock may wrestle a bit for WM...whatever he's gonna do will involve Cena for sure and I guess Miz now. Neither one of them can compare to the Rock....although I think Cena believes he does. His mic work is just silly and really bad these days.

Rock's making a movie now but I'm not sure it's Disney. He does do more than the Disney family type movie.

[RoyTheHammer]

I think Rock may wrestle a bit for WM...whatever he's gonna do will involve Cena for sure and I guess Miz now. Neither one of them can compare to the Rock....although I think Cena believes he does. His mic work is just silly and really bad these days.

Rock's making a movie now but I'm not sure it's Disney. He does do more than the Disney family type movie.

Imagine some of the guys who left had stayed with the WWE. Angle, Brock, Rock, Nash, Hall, XPac, Nathan Jones, etc..

Would have been a much better product than the crap i've seen now and then the past few years. Cena's mic skills have never been that great, and he's nothing compared to The Rock, you're right.

I don't know why Rock would say he was back for good and he'd never leave again though.. makes no sense.

[DallasGirl50]

Del Rio?
The Miz?

Please..these guys are jokes. They would have been nothing more than jobbers in the attitude era. Cena is eh.

Orten, Edge, HHH, Kane, Taker, Big Show.. i like all those guys. But they are being misused in uninteresting storylines. The WWE has gone too PG. There's no edge, no controversy anymore.

Sheamus is the only new guy i like, and Swagger, and Reks looks like he could be decent. Unfortunately, they will all be misused and doofuses like The Miz will continue to be pushed. Wrestling has lost its intensity, its brutality. The Attitude Era was the pinnacle of wrestling. Everything since has gone downhill.

TNA is closer right now to producing a product that was more like what the attitude era was all about, that's why i prefer it over the G rated WWE right now.


I tried to watch TNA last week cause I knew Sting was going to return..this is what I saw.

Angle reduced to "giving" away his ex wife to Jarrett..yea that's some really cool "wrestling" story. One of the best workers in the business and that's his storyline right now.

Eric Young and some black guy (Pace?) as part of the wedding party...are they gay? Is that the story? It was unwatchable.

Ric Flair slobbering and looking like he needs to have his blood pressure checked pronto ...great story there. NOT.

Decent match with Matt Morgan who I do like...Beer Money doing their best Austin impersonations. Same ole, same ole.

Jeff Hardy with possibly the worse face makeup ever..and then guess what? Right when Sting is coming out the program is over. They didn't even show the match I wanted to see because of all the other crap.

[DallasGirl50]

Imagine some of the guys who left had stayed with the WWE. Angle, Brock, Rock, Nash, Hall, XPac, Nathan Jones, etc..

Would have been a much better product than the crap i've seen now and then the past few years. Cena's mic skills have never been that great, and he's nothing compared to The Rock, you're right.

I don't know why Rock would say he was back for good and he'd never leave again though.. makes no sense.


Nash is back with WWE although I'm wondering when DIESEL is going to make his next appearance? WM maybe..they are saving him for some reason. He got a huge pop at the RR PPV he did...and he's doing interviews saying it was for the money he came back. No money to be made in TNA and he can cash in with WWE before he retires. Can't blame him.

I've never ever liked Cena although my teenage nephews love the guy. Generation gap I guess..I'm too old and I just don't care for the guy. He just flat out bores me. Too much Cena on RAW. But you play to your audience and he rings those cash registers for them.

[RoyTheHammer]

I tried to watch TNA last week cause I knew Sting was going to return..this is what I saw.

Angle reduced to "giving" away his ex wife to Jarrett..yea that's some really cool "wrestling" story. One of the best workers in the business and that's his storyline right now.

Eric Young and some black guy (Pace?) as part of the wedding party...are they gay? Is that the story? It was unwatchable.

Ric Flair slobbering and looking like he needs to have his blood pressure checked pronto ...great story there. NOT.

Decent match with Matt Morgan who I do like...Beer Money doing their best Austin impersonations. Same ole, same ole.


Jeff Hardy with possibly the worse face makeup ever..and then guess what? Right when Sting is coming out the program is over. They didn't even show the match I wanted to see because of all the other crap.

Steiner and Rob Terry had a good match. Beer Money vs. Gunner and Murphey was pretty good. But the show last week was pretty bad. As i said, the talent is there, but the booking is terrible. Its hit and miss with the storylines alot of times. They kind of took a hit because they wanted to reunite the Main Event Mafia, which they still may do but without Nash or Booker, but they're pushing the 4 horseman storyline right now vs immortal.

[RoyTheHammer]

Nash is back with WWE although I'm wondering when DIESEL is going to make his next appearance? WM maybe..they are saving him for some reason. He got a huge pop at the RR PPV he did...and he's doing interviews saying it was for the money he came back. No money to be made in TNA and he can cash in with WWE before he retires. Can't blame him.

I've never ever liked Cena although my teenage nephews love the guy. Generation gap I guess..I'm too old and I just don't care for the guy. He just flat out bores me. Too much Cena on RAW. But you play to your audience and he rings those cash registers for them.

I don't think Nash is going to be doing much wrestling for the WWE unfortunately. Had a huge pop.. why they chose to bring back the "Diesel" personality was questionable, but Nash is still an intimidating persona even in his old age. I really hoped he was going to stay with TNA, because at least then i'd see him on TV and in the ring.. two things i doubt we'll see much of with him in the WWE.

[DallasGirl50]

I don't think Nash is going to be doing much wrestling for the WWE unfortunately. Had a huge pop.. why they chose to bring back the "Diesel" personality was questionable, but Nash is still an intimidating persona even in his old age. I really hoped he was going to stay with TNA, because at least then i'd see him on TV and in the ring.. two things i doubt we'll see much of with him in the WWE.


Nash is probably the same age as Taker...44 or 45ish...looks to be in good shape but wrestling shape I do not know. They are 2 different things. I don't remember him ever being anybody but DIESEL in WWE...I've always liked the guy. He's equally good as a babyface or heel.

[RoyTheHammer]

Nash is probably the same age as Taker...44 or 45ish...looks to be in good shape but wrestling shape I do not know. They are 2 different things. I don't remember him ever being anybody but DIESEL in WWE...I've always liked the guy. He's equally good as a babyface or heel.

Diesel was like his first persona in the WWF, when he was Shawn Michaels bodyguard i believe. He returned after the WCW invasion angle with the NWO as Kevin Nash.

Nash is 51 right now. I've always liked him too. The Outsiders angle with Hall was one of the greatest ever, and the NWO was my favorite faction ever with Nash, Hall and Pac.

DX was great as well.

[DallasGirl50]

Steiner and Rob Terry had a good match. Beer Money vs. Gunner and Murphey was pretty good. But the show last week was pretty bad. As i said, the talent is there, but the booking is terrible. Its hit and miss with the storylines alot of times. They kind of took a hit because they wanted to reunite the Main Event Mafia, which they still may do but without Nash or Booker, but they're pushing the 4 horseman storyline right now vs immortal.


I cannot stomach Steiner..one of the grossiest men I've ever seen and he talks like he has an IQ of 2. I was hoping he'd stay gone for good....

Flair is just flat out embarrassing. Shame too. One of the all time greats. Too many ex-wives and kids must force him to make money however he can. He's just awful on there.

Do like Anderson. Forgot about him. He's good.

Angle is wasted on TNA. They should be ***** slapped for making him do what he's doing on there right now.

I'll keep watching (or fast forwarding) as long as Sting is on there. He's the only reason for me to watch.

I've been watching wrestling for decades. I use to go to the Sportatorium to watch the Von Ericks and I remember all those old guys...I remember seeing Steve Austin when he first came up..he wrestled there. Chris Adams...the Freebirds. I've always liked wrestling. It's silly..it's insanely bad most of the time but I've always liked it.

[Aikmaniac]

Just my two cents into the argument.

Growing up i loved the attitude era of the WWF/WWE. DX, the Nation, Austin, Rock, XPac, etc..

I also loved WCW and during the Monday Night Wars i was usually watching both promotions, although i usually spent more time watching Nitro and Goldberg and the NWO. Hall and Nash were two of my favorite guys of all time and WCW was actually beating out the WWE in the ratings for a time. They had a very good product, as did the WWE.

As for now, I absolutely can not stand the WWE anymore. Its like Vince has lost all ability to create new and exciting personalities. Its complete garbage. The only new personalities i can even watch are Shameus and Jack Swagger. All the old draws like HHH and Orten are surrounded by garbage. I mean the Miz as Champion? Embarassing to say the least. Its been a terrible promotion for years, keeping itself afloat by mainstream marketing, special guest appearences, and little else.

TNA is a brand i got into after hearing that Hall and Nash were going to reform the NWO there. I had been watching it a little now and then before that when the New Age Outlaws and some other old WWE guys were on there, and the Main Event Mafia angle was another i enjoyed. They have some good talent there with Angle, Steiner, Samoa Joe, Styles, etc..

It was definately a better product than the WWE for the past few years, and i still love watching Angle, but the company is plagued with bad booking and not being able to use their talent effectively. I do believe they have more intriguing personalities and better wrestlers than the WWE right now (save for a few guys), but they just don't know how to use them at all.

Consequently, my interest in wrestling has faded to the point where i watch Raw and Impact only on occasion when there's nothing else going on on those nights. I definately can't get into it like i used to though.

Hmm...good post.

I would say you and I have similar thoughts/opinions.

The late 90's was my favorite era of wrestling. WCW began at 8pm EST and WWE at 9pm. I remember when WCW would have a Goldberg match or big NWO tussle right as the clock struck 9pm. WWE would have an opening match of epic proportions or a huge Rock promo/Stone Cold entrance to begin the show.

Good times.

[DallasGirl50]

Diesel was like his first persona in the WWF, when he was Shawn Michaels bodyguard i believe. He returned after the WCW invasion angle with the NWO as Kevin Nash.

Nash is 51 right now.


Goodness..he's older than Taker then. They were running buddies for years....

Too bad Shawn retired. He was a great wrestler...great mic skills...nice to look at for us ladies...and I miss watching him. He has a wrestling school I think in SA.

[RoyTheHammer]

I cannot stomach Steiner..one of the grossiest men I've ever seen and he talks like he has an IQ of 2. I was hoping he'd stay gone for good....

Flair is just flat out embarrassing. Shame too. One of the all time greats. Too many ex-wives and kids must force him to make money however he can. He's just awful on there.

Do like Anderson. Forgot about him. He's good.

Angle is wasted on TNA. They should be ***** slapped for making him do what he's doing on there right now.

I'll keep watching (or fast forwarding) as long as Sting is on there. He's the only reason for me to watch.

I've been watching wrestling for decades. I use to go to the Sportatorium to watch the Von Ericks and I remember all those old guys...I remember seeing Steve Austin when he first came up..he wrestled there. Chris Adams...the Freebirds. I've always liked wrestling. It's silly..it's insanely bad most of the time but I've always liked it.

Haha, Steiner has never come off as intelligent, but he's always been a brute intimidating force, and he never backed down from anyone and told you he was gonna knock you out. He has some mic skills. I've always liked him, especially in the Main Event Mafia. Angle for sure is wasted, again it goes back to the booking problem. They simple arn't using all the talent that TNA has effectively. They have some great personalities there, just need better writing.

[RoyTheHammer]

Hmm...good post.

I would say you and I have similar thoughts/opinions.

The late 90's was my favorite era of wrestling. WCW began at 8pm EST and WWE at 9pm. I remember when WCW would have a Goldberg match or big NWO tussle right as the clock struck 9pm. WWE would have an opening match of epic proportions or a huge Rock promo/Stone Cold entrance to begin the show.

Good times.

Good times for sure man. I remember switching back and forth like that alot haha.

[Aikmaniac]

Haha, Steiner has never come off as intelligent, but he's always been a brute intimidating force, and he never backed down from anyone and told you he was gonna knock you out. He has some mic skills. I've always liked him, especially in the Main Event Mafia. Angle for sure is wasted, again it goes back to the booking problem. They simple arn't using all the talent that TNA has effectively. They have some great personalities there, just need better writing.

Do you think the booking problem could be because of age/agility limitations?

[RoyTheHammer]

Do you think the booking problem could be because of age/agility limitations?

Nah, i think its just Russo. The writing in general is just terrible. They had the freaking NWO there for awhile and still couldn't put the company over. I mean, come on now.

I love the talent they have in TNA, i prefer watching guys like Angle, Anderson, Sting, Steiner, Styles, Joe, Beer Money, Crimson, etc. I really wish Nash hadn't left, but i think they have some strong personalties there.

You don't have to have great "wrestlers" to make a great show, meaning you don't have to have super agile and athletic guys. The attitude era was amazing and it was built mostly around promos and good storylines and great rivalries more than the quality of wrestling that was going on.

I think the main problem in both companies is that they just arn't developing enough new strong personalities and the ones they do have are being misused with crappy writing, and in the WWE's case, trying to push new stars when they just don't have the "it" factor. The Miz and Del Rio are just awful imo.

[zrinkill]

Del Rio?
The Miz?

Please..these guys are jokes.

And you think anyone on TNA is not? Both are better than anyone in TNA at the moment (except for MR. Anderson/Kennedy)



TNA is closer right now to producing a product that was more like what the attitude era was all about

Not even close .....

[Romo 2 Austin]

Nah, i think its just Russo. The writing in general is just terrible. They had the freaking NWO there for awhile and still couldn't put the company over. I mean, come on now.

I love the talent they have in TNA, i prefer watching guys like Angle, Anderson, Sting, Steiner, Styles, Joe, Beer Money, Crimson, etc. I really wish Nash hadn't left, but i think they have some strong personalties there.

You don't have to have great "wrestlers" to make a great show, meaning you don't have to have super agile and athletic guys. The attitude era was amazing and it was built mostly around promos and good storylines and great rivalries more than the quality of wrestling that was going on.

I think the main problem in both companies is that they just arn't developing enough new strong personalities and the ones they do have are being misused with crappy writing, and in the WWE's case, trying to push new stars when they just don't have the "it" factor. The Miz and Del Rio are just awful imo.

Agreed 100%

especially on the Del Rio and Miz part, there AWFUL. Shouldn't be anything more than mid-carders.

[DallasGirl50]

According to an earlier post on this thread Del Rio has been wrestling for years in Mexico prior to his WWE stint and I know he's a 2nd or 3rd generation wrestler as Rock is....he's one of the best heels in the WWE presently in my opinion. He's definitely big time to me...and they are bringing him up right.

[zrinkill]

According to an earlier post on this thread Del Rio has been wrestling for years in Mexico prior to his WWE stint and I know he's a 2nd or 3rd generation wrestler as Rock is....he's one of the best heels in the WWE presently in my opinion. He's definitely big time to me...and they are bringing him up right.

Yup ..... the guy has more charisma than most of the TNA roster put together.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Yup ..... the guy has more charisma than most of the TNA roster put together.

He's less entertaining than Val Venis.

[zrinkill]

He's less entertaining than Val Venis.

:rolleyes: did you google that name or do you remember from when you were 5.


Del Rio is more talented than most of the TNA roster.

[Romo 2 Austin]

:rolleyes: did you google that name or do you remember from when you were 5.


Del Rio is more talented than most of the TNA roster.

No he's not, not even close. He's a joke. Vince McM probably just laughs when hes on TV at the fact that people actually enjoy him.

[zrinkill]

No he's not, not even close. He's a joke. Vince McM probably just laughs when hes on TV at the fact that people actually enjoy him.

I bet I know why you do not like him ..... :laugh2:

[Romo 2 Austin]

I bet I know why you do not like him ..... :laugh2:

He sucks?

[zrinkill]

According to an earlier post on this thread Del Rio has been wrestling for years in Mexico prior to his WWE stint and I know he's a 2nd or 3rd generation wrestler as Rock is....he's one of the best heels in the WWE presently in my opinion. He's definitely big time to me...and they are bringing him up right.

He has a pedigree like few others when it comes to wrestling history. His family includes Mexican wrestlers Dos Caras and Mil Mascaras.

Guy is one of the best heels going on right now ...... TNA would cream themselves for a chance to get him.

[Romo 2 Austin]

He has a pedigree like few others when it comes to wrestling history. His family includes Mexican wrestlers Dos Caras and Mil Mascaras.

Guy is one of the best heels going on right now ...... TNA would cream themselves for a chance to get him.

No he doesn't fit the TNA style at all, see TNA wrestlers need actual talent & to be entertaining.

[zrinkill]

No he doesn't fit the TNA style at all, see TNA wrestlers need actual talent & to be entertaining.

Really

When are they gonna get some?

Because all they have now are a bunch of over the hill WWE/WCW guys and some jobbers who failed at the real wrestling show.

[DezBRomo9]

Regardless of where this thread has lead to, I'm gonna have to agree with the glory days being the nWo vs. Goldberg and the days of the Corporation vs. DX and Stone Cold. The storylines in those days were great. I remember Kane and XPac winning tag team titles and loving every second of that.

Nowadays like stated above, a lot of talent is being misused. Miz and Del Rio are two talented guys, but they are being miscast as leading heels. Wade Barrett's attempt was decent but the WWE is too worried about Cena's image. Orton made a good heel, but he is too talented and young to ruin like that. He and Drew McIntyre are the future of the WWE. HHH and Edge are getting up their and Miz will always be a heel.

That being said, I try to catch whatever I can with Raw but avoid Smackdown unless Undertaker was on, and forget about TNA, it looks like stuff thought of in a basement by some 13 year olds.

I miss the little things, like the beer truck being sprayed all over Vince and the Rock n Sock connection type teams. The Acolytes were probably my favorite tag team and their APA bits had me taking a #1 in my pants each time.

[zrinkill]

Here is the ad from TNA website.

TNA Wrestling "iMPACT!" airs every Thursday night at 9/8c on SpikeTV! TNA features wrestling superstars such as Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, AJ Styles, and the Hardy Boys.


:laugh1:

Two 60+ year old guys a pot head/drug dealer and 2 failed jobbers from the WWE.

[RoyTheHammer]

Here is the ad from TNA website.

TNA Wrestling "iMPACT!" airs every Thursday night at 9/8c on SpikeTV! TNA features wrestling superstars such as Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, AJ Styles, and the Hardy Boys.


:laugh1:

Two 60+ year old guys a pot head/drug dealer and 2 failed jobbers from the WWE.

:rolleyes:

We get it.. you don't like TNA. You think WWE is better, I'd rather watch TNA right now.

Let it go.. its not a right or wrong subject.

I think Del Rio and "The Miz" are God awful.. you don't. That's fine. No need to keep making the same point over and over again.

[Hostile]

I miss Rick Rude. Best heel ever.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I miss Rick Rude. Best heel ever.

Wouldn't say greatest, but he was great from what tapes ive seen. For me the greatest heel would be Triple H during Evolution/SummerSlam 2002 buildup, he had me genuinely hating him.

[zrinkill]

No need to keep making the same point over and over again.

Only refuting the same point that is brought up over amd over by the TNA fanboys.

The false notion that TNA is young and edgy.

[zrinkill]

:rolleyes:

We get it.. you don't like TNA.

I was not the one who started badmouthing WWE and hyping TNA in a Rock returns thread ...... it was the TNA/Miles Austin homer.

TNA was not mentioned till he showed up.

[RoyTheHammer]

Only refuting the same point that is brought up over amd over by the TNA fanboys.

The false notion that TNA is young and edgy.

You make it too personal. What are you then? A WWE fanboy?

lol who cares. If you like guys like Del Rio and Miz, cool. I think they're an embarassment to the profession though. They don't bring anything interesting to the table at all imo. Especially Miz.. everytime i see him trying to act intimidating i can only laugh. I could kick his ***. He must be the scrawniest world champion ever other than Mysterio. At least Rey has muscle definition though.

Anyway, neither brand is doing much of anything interesting nowadays. Wrestling has gone way downhill. I don't see it getting better anytime soon with the young guys there are now and the horrible writing going on in both promotions.

[Hostile]

You make it too personal. What are you then? A WWE fanboy?

lol who cares. If you like guys like Del Rio and Miz, cool. I think they're an embarassment to the profession though. They don't bring anything interesting to the table at all imo. Especially Miz.. everytime i see him trying to act intimidating i can only laugh. I could kick his ***. He must be the scrawniest world champion ever other than Mysterio. At least Rey has muscle definition though.

Anyway, neither brand is doing much of anything interesting nowadays. Wrestling has gone way downhill. I don't see it getting better anytime soon with the young guys there are now and the horrible writing going on in both promotions.
AJ Styles is a body?

I don't like Miz, but he's more entertaining than Styles. He just bores the hell out of me.

I don't want Orton to become a face. Great heel. I miss Chris Jericho. Great heel. I even like John Cena and a lot of people can't stand him.

I heard Sting might be coming to WWE. Anyone know if that is true? I remember when he and the Ultimate Warrior were a tag team. That is how far I go back in wrestling. I forget their names right now though. It'll come to me.

[zrinkill]

You make it too personal.

No I do not.

If you like guys like Del Rio and Miz, cool. I think they're an embarassment to the profession though. They don't bring anything interesting to the table at all imo. Especially Miz.. everytime i see him trying to act intimidating i can only laugh. I could kick his ***. He must be the scrawniest world champion ever other than Mysterio. At least Rey has muscle definition though.

Well that is your opinion. Mine is that there is a lot of young talent that is being groomed the right way and are just waiting for all the old guard thats left (HHH,Taker,Mysterio) to move on.

[Romo 2 Austin]

AJ Styles is a body?

I don't like Miz, but he's more entertaining than Styles. He just bores the hell out of me.

I don't want Orton to become a face. Great heel. I miss Chris Jericho. Great heel. I even like John Cena and a lot of people can't stand him.

I heard Sting might be coming to WWE. Anyone know if that is true? I remember when he and the Ultimate Warrior were a tag team. That is how far I go back in wrestling. I forget their names right now though. It'll come to me.

He resigned with TNA.

[RoyTheHammer]

AJ Styles is a body?

I don't like Miz, but he's more entertaining than Styles. He just bores the hell out of me.

I heard Sting might be coming to WWE. Anyone know if that is true?

IMO, Miz isn't more entertaining than anyone. He's a nobody wrongly pushed. I'll take Styles anyday.

WWE wanted Sting. He turned them down. Just resigned with TNA.

[Romo 2 Austin]

IMO, Miz isn't more entertaining than anyone. He's a nobody wrongly pushed. I'll take Styles anyday.

WWE wanted Sting. He turned them down. Just resigned with TNA.

Truth, he wanted to continue actively wrestling and in WWE he would've just got a wrestlemania program vs Taker and put into the hall of fame most likely w/ a few appearances per year like WWE does with most of the retired legends.

[DallasGirl50]

He has a pedigree like few others when it comes to wrestling history. His family includes Mexican wrestlers Dos Caras and Mil Mascaras.

Guy is one of the best heels going on right now ...... TNA would cream themselves for a chance to get him.

I heard him on a Houston radio station yest AM because they were all there for Smackdown last night...engaging guy...did not know he had such a wrestling pedigree but he did mention it. I actually read it on here first. He said he loves being a major heel as do most of the guys. I think he's been written for exactly right. I like watching him.

[DallasGirl50]

AJ Styles is a body?

I don't like Miz, but he's more entertaining than Styles. He just bores the hell out of me.

I don't want Orton to become a face. Great heel. I miss Chris Jericho. Great heel. I even like John Cena and a lot of people can't stand him.

I heard Sting might be coming to WWE. Anyone know if that is true? I remember when he and the Ultimate Warrior were a tag team. That is how far I go back in wrestling. I forget their names right now though. It'll come to me.


Orton's alot of fun to watch...he's not really a heel but he's not really a babyface either. To his credit he manages to pull it all off. Of course he had all those years of watching his old man...

Jericho is going to be on "Dancing With the Stars" this year. Yikes.

[Hostile]

IMO, Miz isn't more entertaining than anyone. He's a nobody wrongly pushed. I'll take Styles anyday.

WWE wanted Sting. He turned them down. Just resigned with TNA.I'll agree to disagree on Miz. He and John Morrison (whom they should have pushed instead) had some very compelling theatrics.

I see a lot of commentary about Del Rio. I personally have never enjoyed the "I'm rich so I'm better than you" gimmicks. The only guy who ever pulled it off was Dibiase. His son couldn't even pull it off.

They should have wanted Sting. Not surprised they didn't get him though. I've watched TNA a few times and I just have never been all that entertained. I keep hearing TNA fans say Styles is the best, but if he's the best then they are in sad shape. They tried to pimp Pacman Jones as a tag team champion while he was suspended from the NFL. Talk about a horrible gimmick.

WWEs worst gimmick is Santino Marella's cobra strike. I can't help but laugh at the idiot though. He's genuinely funny. My biggest gripe with TNA is Hogan whom I simply cannot stand and never could. He has to be the worst wrestler ever to be Champion.

[big dog cowboy]

That being said, I try to catch whatever I can with Raw but avoid Smackdown unless Undertaker was on, and forget about TNA, it looks like stuff thought of in a basement by some 13 year olds.

:laugh2:

[DallasGirl50]

I'll agree to disagree on Miz. He and John Morrison (whom they should have pushed instead) had some very compelling theatrics.

I see a lot of commentary about Del Rio. I personally have never enjoyed the "I'm rich so I'm better than you" gimmicks. The only guy who ever pulled it off was Dibiase. His son couldn't even pull it off.

They should have wanted Sting. Not surprised they didn't get him though. I've watched TNA a few times and I just have never been all that entertained. I keep hearing TNA fans say Styles is the best, but if he's the best then they are in sad shape. They tried to pimp Pacman Jones as a tag team champion while he was suspended from the NFL. Talk about a horrible gimmick.

WWEs worst gimmick is Santino Marella's cobra strike. I can't help but laugh at the idiot though. He's genuinely funny. My biggest gripe with TNA is Hogan whom I simply cannot stand and never could. He has to be the worst wrestler ever to be Champion.


Ric Flair has been using the bit of being rich and therefore better than everybody else to great success for many years. He still does that stuff on TNA..I think in many ways he did that better than DeBiase ever did. I can remember when DeBiase brought Taker to WWE/WWF. The good old days.

[Hostile]

Ric Flair has been using the bit of being rich and therefore better than everybody else to great success for many years. He still does that stuff on TNA..I think in many ways he did that better than DeBiase ever did. I can remember when DeBiase brought Taker to WWE/WWF. The good old days.
That was never Flair's only gimmick though. He had hundreds of them. One of my all time favorites was when he called himself "Space Mountain" and said this other wrestler who was calling himself "Nature Boy" (I think his name was Buddy Landell) was like riding the "Wild Mouse."

[DallasGirl50]

That was never Flair's only gimmick though. He had hundreds of them. On eof my all time favorites was when he called himself "Space Mountain" and said this other wrestler who was calling himself "Nature Boy" (I think his name was Buddy Landell) was like riding the "Wild Mouse."

Ric was great..one of the top 5 wrestlers of all time in my book easily. A ton of guys copied pieces of Flair here and there.

[windward]

TNA's ppv main event between Sting and Jeff Hardy lasted 30 seconds because Jeff Hardy was obviously high. Pathetic.

[RoyTheHammer]

TNA's ppv main event between Sting and Jeff Hardy lasted 30 seconds because Jeff Hardy was obviously high. Pathetic.

Hardy doesn't impress me in TNA. Honestly his brother Matt is in better shape then he is right now, and that's pretty damn bad. Guys like Samoa Joe and Styles and Matt Morgan and Angle, Anderson, etc.. should be getting a much bigger push. Angle needs to be involved in every main event match because he is the face and by far the best personality and character in that company.

[big dog cowboy]

Angle needs to be involved in every main event match because he is the face and by far the best personality and character in that company.
He would probably get a huge pop if he returned to the WWE.

[SkinsandTerps]

Never liked Angle always thought his gimmicks were even cornier than Hogans.

His mic work improved over the years, but I always recall the stiff that started out.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Never liked Angle always thought his gimmicks were even cornier than Hogans.

His mic work improved over the years, but I always recall the stiff that started out.

He'sthe best overall performaner in wrestling regardless of age since michaels retires

[SkinsandTerps]

He'sthe best overall performaner in wrestling regardless of age since michaels retires

Umm...No.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Umm...No.

His in ring work? Undebateably.

[SkinsandTerps]

His in ring work? Undebateably.

I am not saying he isn't a great wrestler. He is just boring. Always has been to me.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I am not saying he isn't a great wrestler. He is just boring. Always has been to me.

Your opinion.

[Yeagermeister]

He'sthe best overall performaner in wrestling regardless of age since michaels retires

Your opinion.

And that is your opinion that no one agrees with

[Romo 2 Austin]

And that is your opinion that no one agrees with

I'm sure many people agree with it, Kurt Angle has always been top notch in the ring and has improved since his time in WWE both on the mic and in the ring.

[Hoofbite]

TNA's ppv main event between Sting and Jeff Hardy lasted 30 seconds because Jeff Hardy was obviously high. Pathetic.

Really?

Edit:

Dude, I just watched the video. What a joke.

You can tell Sting was pissed. By all accounts, I've heard he's a very clean and straight guy. Or at least he was a while back. Gotta be disappointing he has to watch his career fade away with a junkie like this. Somebody up the ramp is yelling something at him.......I can only imagine they're saying that the match sucks........and all he can say is "I agree".

Lckr9OLR2Ow

[big dog cowboy]

And that is your opinion that no one agrees with
That's real breaking news.


:rolleyes:

[Romo 2 Austin]

Really?

Edit:

Dude, I just watched the video. What a joke.

You can tell Sting was pissed. By all accounts, I've heard he's a very clean and straight guy. Or at least he was a while back. Gotta be disappointing he has to watch his career fade away with a junkie like this. Somebody up the ramp is yelling something at him.......I can only imagine they're saying that the match sucks........and all he can say is "I agree".

Lckr9OLR2Ow

Hardy should be fired for this, but I don't think he will be. Probably de-pushed though.

[Hostile]

That was the main event?

I take it all back. Far superior.

Not sure how it is obvious Hardy is high though.

[Romo 2 Austin]

That was the main event?

I take it all back. Far superior.

Not sure how it is obvious Hardy is high though.

Im not sure but I think he was drunk, not high. I mean the guys in legal process for possession drugs, so I don't think hes stupid enough to get high.

[windward]

That was the main event?

I take it all back. Far superior.

Not sure how it is obvious Hardy is high though.

You could tell in his entrance, where he was stumbling out and had a glazed look in his eyes. Guy almost fell trying to enter the ring.
Shortly after Hardy days something to the ref and the ref makes a motion to the back that things were not ok.

When Sting comes out, it looks like he's mouthing something to the effect of " are you kidding me?"

Then when Bischoff comes out, it looks like he told Hardy off when they were speaking off mike.

And judging by Stings reaction after the match, it looks like something really screwy was going on. Add in Hardy's history of drug addiction and it's a no brained in my view.

[DallasGirl50]

Jeff needs SERIOUS help..he's either a hopeless drug abuser or he was drunk but something is major league wrong with the guy. He's on that fast track to just being another wrestler that dies at a young age...gosh I hope he gets help. He's in big time trouble already with the law so he very well may end up in prison.

Sting is a pro..how pissed was he that he had to be a part of that travesty called a PPV championship match last night?

And who was saying that TNA was a better product than WWE?

As embarrassingly bad as wrestling can be at times and I'm a long time fan and I've seen alot of absolute crap that was shocking that Hardy was allowed anywhere near that ring last night. They should have pulled something off the cuff..had some vignette with him getting "beat up" backstage or something and had somebody else wrestle the match. Anything but that! And people paid for that...

[Hostile]

I decided to read the reviews on this PPV event. One of their more hyped matches was a double count out and the Main Event was a 90 second debacle?

Best wrestling PPV ever.

[big dog cowboy]

I heard Sting might be coming to WWE.

He resigned with TNA.

Right about now he is likely wondering what he got himself into.

[SkinsandTerps]

I didn't know Hardy got so much smaller. He looks like he lost 50 pounds.

Sting just has that old wrestler body which is typical of any guy but Hardy was chewing gum or something the whole time. Strange, especially for a PPV.

[Hoofbite]

Im not sure but I think he was drunk, not high. I mean the guys in legal process for possession drugs, so I don't think hes stupid enough to get high.

So young, so naive.

If you think legal troubles have ever stopped an addict from using, you've got a lot to learn.

If he's an addict, you can bet your last dollar he's as high as a kite right there.

Something tells me alcohol isn't enough for the man. Not by itself anyway.

No telling what his drug of choice is but from the looks of it, speed isn't it.

[Hoofbite]

I didn't know Hardy got so much smaller. He looks like he lost 50 pounds.

Sting just has that old wrestler body which is typical of any guy but Hardy was chewing gum or something the whole time. Strange, especially for a PPV.

I think he looks fat compared to when he came into the business. His probably put on a bunch of weight but Jeff's always been smaller than that from what I remember.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I decided to read the reviews on this PPV event. One of their more hyped matches was a double count out and the Main Event was a 90 second debacle?

Best wrestling PPV ever.

We'll the other main event makes sense since rumors are they were going to setup a four way cage match at lockdown for the title, Sting vs RVD vs Anderson vs Hardy so having Anderson or RVD go over clean would've hurt that.

[DallasGirl50]

So young, so naive.

If you think legal troubles have ever stopped an addict from using, you've got a lot to learn.

If he's an addict, you can bet your last dollar he's as high as a kite right there.

Something tells me alcohol isn't enough for the man. Not by itself anyway.

No telling what his drug of choice is but from the looks of it, speed isn't it.

When he got arrested and his home raided if I remember right he had tons of painkillers...he's always been a high flyer with the risky moves and I imagine he hasn't a single moment in a day when he's not in pain from some nagging injury.

That was a total debacle last night and the sight of a man in desperate trouble.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Spoiler alert for hardy:


I usually never read spoliers, but I needed to know how TNA would handle this. He was sent home from tapings this week, and it seems great. They are switching back to the old world title design, and from what it sounds like Hulk Hogan has kicked Jeff Hardy out of Immortal. Ending his push.


Impact opened with TNA champion Sting in the ring holding the old TNA title and Jeff Hardy version. Sting said that before Hulk Hogan tries to overtake the show, he wants them to get out here and face him. Hogan and Eric Bischoff come out. Sting tosses them the Hardy belt and says this is theirs and they can take the garbage. Sting says that Hogan took one of the brightest stars in wrestling, Jeff Hardy, and ruined him with his influence. They acted like Hardy was done as Sting said he can't do anything to help Jeff anymore but he can help TNA. Hogan said that Sting tries to blame everyone else but he's the guy who disappears and shows up when he wants. Hogan said that the only person at fault is Hardy, who couldn't run with Immortal and stand in the shadow of the Hulkster.



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[Hostile]

Gag a maggot on a gut wagon.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Gag a maggot on a gut wagon.

This show this week is looking like a complete train wreck... It looks like they are going with Bully Ray as the top heel in the company with J.Hardy out, idiotic decision and AJ Styles reportedly got injured during the taping and it looked like they were positioning him to do a Styles vs Sting feud to eventually put the title back on Styles, absolutely horrible to see him injured and now Bubba freaking Ray is the top heel in the company????

Screw you Jeff Hardy.

[DallasGirl50]

TNA made Jeff the world champion AFTER his arrest so they knew he had issues and may even be going to prison. Now all that has come full circle and the guy is completely messed up which has messed up their bookings.

Sometimes what you get you deserve...TNA knew the risk. Now it's come home to roost and it's messed up.

Sting is a veteran wrestler but even he couldn't hide that match last night was a total joke. The funny part is that for a 90 second match a full minute of it was Jeff pretending to toss his tshirt into the audience.

[zrinkill]

TNA is a complete joke.

[daschoo]

TNA is a complete joke.

to be fair though what happened the other night has no bearing on this for you. you don't like tna and feel the constant need to show how big you are by telling everyone how much you hate it. he could have turned up in great condition, put on the match of the year and your opinion would have still have been that tna is a joke

tna should never have allowed him out there in that condition and should have gone to a plan b but this at the end of the day is on jeff hardy more than its on tna. maybe they thought you know what **** you jeff, you're taking the heat for this rather than us cobble together some off the cuff main event that people are going to complain about anyway? who knows what they were thinking allowing him out there but as i said its jeff hardy who turned up unfit to perform

[zrinkill]

you don't like tna and feel the constant need to show how big you are by telling everyone how much you hate it. he could have turned up in great condition, put on the match of the year and your opinion would have still have been that tna is a

Bull ..... I never badmouth TNA till people start saying its better than WWE, which is laughable.

What happened the other night is a joke ...... sorry but that is a fact.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Definition of funny...

Watching a bunch of guys on the internet talk all tough to each other about who has the better group of guys in speedos or spandex to watch.

I think there is a you know how I know your gay joke in there somewhere.:p: ;)

[DallasGirl50]

It's on Jeff AND TNA. They knew he was in no condition to wrestle but still let him do so...

at an event that was a PPV. That is much different than a TV taping where they can cut matches out or change them.

What they should have done is not let him wrestle..do something off the cuff..have him get beat up backstage by Mr. Anderson or somebody and therefore keep him out of the match.

They have writers but apparently no creativity.

[zrinkill]

I think there is a you know how I know your gay joke in there somewhere.:p: ;)

That would be you?

:p:

And who is "talking tough" to each other?

Only person I have seen do that is the guy calling other men gay.

[BrAinPaiNt]

That would be you?

:p:

No...I quit watching sweat men in spandex wrestle each other some years ago.
:D

[zrinkill]

No...I quit watching sweat men in spandex wrestle each other some years ago.
:D

What do you watch now that you gave that up?

[BrAinPaiNt]

What do you watch now that you gave that up?

I was just joking about that stuff. I just got bored with professional wrestling some years ago. Used to be a big fan of it. WCW could not learn to promote the young talent and wanted to stick with the old guys. WWF or WWE just went too far off the map to the point of stupidity in some areas. So I just grew bored with it.

Now I just watch sweaty men in spandex fight in MMA. :laugh2:

I have grown to like MMA more than boxing.

[zrinkill]

I have grown to like MMA more than boxing.

Yea ...... boxing went downhill fast after Mike went to prison.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Yea ...... boxing went downhill fast after Mike went to prison.

Well you had the lack of top talent in some areas but the whole corrupt system got to be pretty bad as well.

Can't see fights you want to see because of this or that.

You have some of that with MMA due to the different companies but for the most part they put on a good show with some good talent.

[dargonking999]

So this thread has gone from the Rock, to the Rock vs Cena, to the WWE vs TNA to now men in spandex and MMA/Boxing

I love it

[zrinkill]

So this thread has gone from the Rock, to the Rock vs Cena, to the WWE vs TNA to now men in spandex and MMA/Boxing

I love it

Good threads never die ....... they evolve.

(which opens up an evolution argument)

[Romo 2 Austin]

Good threads never die ....... they evolve.

(which opens up an evolution argument)

Someone should just open a 'The Wrestling Thread' as this keeps happening in every wrestling thread until it dies down and then a new one opens a few weeks later that lasts ridiculously long.

[RoyTheHammer]

It's on Jeff AND TNA. They knew he was in no condition to wrestle but still let him do so...

at an event that was a PPV. That is much different than a TV taping where they can cut matches out or change them.

What they should have done is not let him wrestle..do something off the cuff..have him get beat up backstage by Mr. Anderson or somebody and therefore keep him out of the match.

They have writers but apparently no creativity.

..as i've said several times. Actually the problem with both companies right now are the terrible storylines. WWE's biggest problem is their inability to create "big draw" personas anymore it seems. TNA's biggest problem is the horrible writing and booking.

[Romo 2 Austin]

..as i've said several times. Actually the problem with both companies right now are the terrible storylines. WWE's biggest problem is their inability to create "big draw" personas anymore it seems. TNA's biggest problem is the horrible writing and booking.

All of TNA problems are solved by firing Vince the idiot Russo and hiring Heyman, Lagana or someone normal. Hell i'd rather have Bischoff or Hogan being the main booker than stupid Russo, he's doing the same idiotic things that happened in WCW when he was the booker there.

[silverbear]

That was never Flair's only gimmick though. He had hundreds of them. One of my all time favorites was when he called himself "Space Mountain" and said this other wrestler who was calling himself "Nature Boy" (I think his name was Buddy Landell) was like riding the "Wild Mouse."

I met Buddy Landell once, while working at a hotel in New Market... in fact, he checked in right after midnight, and I had some wrestling show or another on, and he sat there with me for the rest of the show... turned out to be a hell of a guy, but I came to understand that he wasn't real reliable about showing up for gigs, which led to him losing his career (pretty much)...

The only thing he and Ric had in common was the bleached hair, LOL... let's just say that Buddy could be best described as "roly-poly"...

[Romo 2 Austin]

http://pwinsider.com/article/56202/hulk-hogan-happy-with-impacts-rating-sees-the-company-moving-in-the-right-direction.html?p=1


TNA Ratings have been trending upwards, I can't even defend how the product was 5x better just a month ago. Bully Ray should not be in the main event picture.

[LatinMind]

I havent watched wrestling since NWO died. That was entertainment. WCW and NWO owned the WWE

[DanteEXT]

I havent watched wrestling since NWO died. That was entertainment. WCW and NWO owned the WWE

I really enjoyed WCW back in the NWO days. Loved the NWO Wolfpac theme when they came out.

[Hostile]

I really enjoyed WCW back in the NWO days. Loved the NWO Wolfpac theme when they came out.Don't turn your back on the Wolf pack, you might end up in a body bag.

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[LatinMind]

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[Hostile]

My least favorite wrestler ever...Hulk Hogan.

Want me to watch TNA over WWE? Have him return to WWE.

Macho Man Randy Savage, genuinely dislikes Hogan.

[LatinMind]

My least favorite wrestler ever...Hulk Hogan.

Want me to watch TNA over WWE? Have him return to WWE.

Macho Man Randy Savage, genuinely dislikes Hogan.

I dont like Hogan either but thats when WCW was at its best. Every week there was a new twist

[Aikmaniac]

Set your DVR's...the People's Champ is in Chicago next Monday night for RAW.

Should be a good one.

[big dog cowboy]

Set your DVR's...the People's Champ is in Chicago next Monday night for RAW.

Should be a good one.

UT and HHH will be there also.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Ok WWE fans...defend them recently having Snooki on the show...IF you can. :laugh2:

[Romo 2 Austin]

Ok WWE fans...defend them recently having Snooki on the show...IF you can. :laugh2:

Im no WWE fan, but its smart and generated alot of media attention.

[RoyTheHammer]

Ok WWE fans...defend them recently having Snooki on the show...IF you can. :laugh2:

They realize the product has been terrible and have now gone to celebrity guests to try and keep viewship going strong.

:(

Did anyone see the end of Raw this week? The Miz crap? Sigh.. he's just awful. The fact that he continues to get pushed is such an embarassment.

[Romo 2 Austin]

They realize the product has been terrible and have now gone to celebrity guests to try and keep viewship going strong.

:(

Did anyone see the end of Raw this week? The Miz crap? Sigh.. he's just awful. The fact that he continues to get pushed is such an embarassment.

Now thats truth.

They have John Morrison & Daniel Bryan, they should be the ones being pushed to the main event level with Orton, Cena, Edge, HHH & Undertaker. Not Alberto Del Joke and The Miz.

[RoyTheHammer]

Now thats truth.

They have John Morrison & Daniel Bryan, they should be the ones being pushed to the main event level with Orton, Cena, Edge, HHH & Undertaker. Not Alberto Del Joke and The Miz.

No thanks on either of those two shmucks either. The only young bloods i even like are Mason Ryan, Taylor Recks, Jack Swagger, Shameus, and Dolph Ziggler is ok. Out of all of those though, only Shameus and Swagger have main event talent imo.

[Romo 2 Austin]

No thanks on either of those two shmucks either. The only young bloods i even like are Mason Ryan, Taylor Recks, Jack Swagger, Shameus, and Dolph Ziggler is ok. Out of all of those though, only Shameus and Swagger have main event talent imo.

John Morrison is so similar to a young Shawn Michaels it's eerie, and Michaels is the greatest of all time in my opinion. And Daniel Bryan was trained by Shawn, :p

[Hoofbite]

Ok WWE fans...defend them recently having Snooki on the show...IF you can. :laugh2:

They had to fill the transvestite role with somebody and Bob Sacamano was out of town.

[big dog cowboy]

Ok WWE fans...defend them recently having Snooki on the show...IF you can. :laugh2:

It's all about media attention and in this case, the MTV crowd, Wrestlemania is the biggest event of the year and Vince is nothing but a pimp. He will do damn near anything to generate attention, more viewers or sell pay-per-views.

[DallasGirl50]

I remember watching WWF when LIBERACE was on there...so Snooki may be an upgrade in the overall scheme of things. Vince has alot of friends and a ton of money. Whoever can be bought to do whatever generally is.

[zrinkill]

John Morrison is so similar to a young Shawn Michaels it's eerie How? Their styles are nothing alike ...... and Morrison is horrible on the mic (TNA bad) where Shawn thrived.

[zrinkill]

I remember watching WWF when LIBERACE was on there

Yup ...... people act like this is the first time WWE has had a dumb celebrity on the show.

Every year, especially at wrestlemania they have a celeb. From Cyndi Lauper to Little Richard to Donald Trump to Mr. T to Elvira to Burt Reynolds.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Yup ...... people act like this is the first time WWE has had a dumb celebrity on the show.

Every year, especially at wrestlemania they have a celeb. From Cyndi Lauper to Little Richard to Donald Trump to Mr. T to Elvira to Burt Reynolds.

None of those are Snooki. Snooki is not even in the league of any of those performers.

It's SNOOKI

It's ok to say it was a bad thing.

[DallasGirl50]

Yup ...... people act like this is the first time WWE has had a dumb celebrity on the show.

Every year, especially at wrestlemania they have a celeb. From Cyndi Lauper to Little Richard to Donald Trump to Mr. T to Elvira to Burt Reynolds.

Yea you're right. It's very commonplace to turn on RAW even and find athletes or celebs in the audience...I see that all the time. Basketball players..they even had some Packers on there not so many weeks back.

[DallasGirl50]

None of those are Snooki. Snooki is not even in the league of any of those performers.

It's SNOOKI

It's ok to say it was a bad thing.


I actually don't even know who Snooki is..other than seeing her in a few mags I don't have a clue who she is.

[zrinkill]

None of those are Snooki. Snooki is not even in the league of any of those performers.

It's SNOOKI

It's ok to say it was a bad thing.

I am not an expert on "snooki"

But if she is worse than Snoop Dog, Pamela Anderson, Flavor Flav, Kim Kardashian, Morton Downey Jr, Paris Hilton and Jerry Springer then that is bad.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I am not an expert on "snooki"

But if she is worse than Snoop Dog, Pamela Anderson, Flavor Flav, Kim Kardashian, Morton Downey Jr, Paris Hilton and Jerry Springer then that is bad.

The only people out of that group she might compare to is Kardashian and Hilton.

She is a reality TV star and that is about it.

They had one of the other people from that show on the Trump Celebrity roast and the guy was so bad that after a joke the crowd would just stare at him like he was from mars until finally they started booing him.

[DallasGirl50]

That's about all TV is these days.."reality" shows. There is hardly a day that goes by that I don't see some new reality show coming on.

So this perhaps is the only age where a person like Snooki could be famous for doing nothing. I bet she's pulling in fairly big bucks for doing the WM gig. And millions will be watching.

What a world...

[zrinkill]

I just hope my favorite ex-TNA performer shows up at the show.

She signed with WWE in Dec.

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[Hostile]

None of those are Snooki. Snooki is not even in the league of any of those performers.

It's SNOOKI

It's ok to say it was a bad thing.He said Wrestlemania, not Raw.

[BrAinPaiNt]

He said Wrestlemania, not Raw.

I said WWE not wrestlemania or raw.:D

[BraveHeartFan]

He'sthe best overall performaner in wrestling regardless of age since michaels retires

I don't actually agree with this, I personally think there are other guys ahead of him, but I could easily make an argument defending that opinion you have there. Kurt Angle is, and has been for a very long time, just damn good.


And that is your opinion that no one agrees with

Well I don't agree with it but I could make the case defending it as if I did. I do agree that Kurt Angle is amazing and I hate that he's totally wasted in such a crappy company like TNA.


This show this week is looking like a complete train wreck... It looks like they are going with Bully Ray as the top heel in the company with J.Hardy out, idiotic decision and AJ Styles reportedly got injured during the taping and it looked like they were positioning him to do a Styles vs Sting feud to eventually put the title back on Styles, absolutely horrible to see him injured and now Bubba freaking Ray is the top heel in the company????

Screw you Jeff Hardy.

Don't act like this is anything new for TNA. This is standard operating procedure for this dump of a company.


TNA is a complete joke.

Agreed.


All of TNA problems are solved by firing Vince the idiot Russo and hiring Heyman, Lagana or someone normal. Hell i'd rather have Bischoff or Hogan being the main booker than stupid Russo, he's doing the same idiotic things that happened in WCW when he was the booker there.

Which I've been saying all this time when you're trying to defend it as awesome, amazing, great. It's nothing but a really bad version of WCW Lite. It's awful.


Now thats truth.

They have John Morrison & Daniel Bryan, they should be the ones being pushed to the main event level with Orton, Cena, Edge, HHH & Undertaker. Not Alberto Del Joke and The Miz.

I agree with you on Morrison. Bryan...eh. Solid performer who just doesn't do much for me on the mic. Much like AJ Styles in that regard.


John Morrison is so similar to a young Shawn Michaels it's eerie, and Michaels is the greatest of all time in my opinion. And Daniel Bryan was trained by Shawn, :p

I agree Michaels is the greatest of all time. I have no doubt in my mind. I think John is amazing but I wouldn't put him in there with Michaels, not even a young Michaels, just yet.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I agree Michaels is the greatest of all time. I have no doubt in my mind. I think John is amazing but I wouldn't put him in there with Michaels, not even a young Michaels, just yet.

Morrison has the look, the "it" factor, the charisma, the unique in ring style that draws you in. He's not as polished as Michael's, or as charismatic, but as you said Michael's is the greatest of all time, give Morrison a few more years and he'll be the best in the biz, he should be pushed alot more than he is now as he has the potential to be the next face of the company after the Cena era starts winding down, and based on fan interest it seems that people want it to start winding down now. Their options are put the company on Orton's back, but he would need a change in gimmick, or they need to start building someone else up to superstar status, and for that the person needs a really good look. Morrison is the best candidate, IMO. The second best candidate, is to push Ted DiBiase to this level.


Over the next 2 years WWE is set to lose Edge, Undertaker and Triple H as full time wrestlers. Edge & HHH can make part time appearances, but Taker will be done once he is off TV, most likely following next years Wrestlemania (20-0). They lost Batista last year, Jericho is moving on to greener pastures and Kane and Big Show are both north of 40, Mysterio is riddled with injuries.


Orton, Punk & Cena are the only "Superstars" they have established that should be around for atleast 5 more years, that needs to change if the E wants to stay successful for the longterm. Killing Sheamus, who was nearing that level, for no reason is part of the reason WWE is idiotic. Alberto Del Joke will never reach the superstar level, he lacks the it factor. The Miz was wrestlings biggest joke for 2 years, he teamed with Morrison and improved a bunch but he should not be near the main event picture.

[DallasGirl50]

Morrison has the look, the "it" factor, the charisma, the unique in ring style that draws you in. He's not as polished as Michael's, or as charismatic, but as you said Michael's is the greatest of all time, give Morrison a few more years and he'll be the best in the biz, he should be pushed alot more than he is now as he has the potential to be the next face of the company after the Cena era starts winding down, and based on fan interest it seems that people want it to start winding down now. Their options are put the company on Orton's back, but he would need a change in gimmick, or they need to start building someone else up to superstar status, and for that the person needs a really good look. Morrison is the best candidate, IMO. The second best candidate, is to push Ted DiBiase to this level.


Over the next 2 years WWE is set to lose Edge, Undertaker and Triple H as full time wrestlers. Edge & HHH can make part time appearances, but Taker will be done once he is off TV, most likely following next years Wrestlemania (20-0). They lost Batista last year, Jericho is moving on to greener pastures and Kane and Big Show are both north of 40, Mysterio is riddled with injuries.


Orton, Punk & Cena are the only "Superstars" they have established that should be around for atleast 5 more years, that needs to change if the E wants to stay successful for the longterm. Killing Sheamus, who was nearing that level, for no reason is part of the reason WWE is idiotic. Alberto Del Joke will never reach the superstar level, he lacks the it factor. The Miz was wrestlings biggest joke for 2 years, he teamed with Morrison and improved a bunch but he should not be near the main event picture.

Jericho will be back soon enough...probably very soon after this DWTS gig is up.

Taker said not long ago that he'd like to wrestle 3 or 4 more years..whether that is wishful thinking I don't know but he will be involved behind the scenes I think..after all he has a fairly young wife that wrestles. I agree though that a goal would be to extend the WM streak to 20-0.

Sheamus just won a belt last night...IC I think. He's been on TV the last few times I've watched.

I disagree about Del Rio..I think he definitely has the IT factor but to each his own. I am not familiar with this new guy they are advertising..Sin Cara or something like that. The ads are appealing though as to him being a fun guy to watch.

I think they should ride with Orton. He's the perfect mix of heel/babyface..depending on who he's feuding with.

And HHH will be running the whole darn show very soon..he already is doing alot of behind the scene stuff. He's perfect to take over. Dedicated to the WWE; married to the boss's daughter.