Mayock on Patrick Peterson

[dbair1967]

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@NFLRumorCentral Mike Mayock says LSU's Peterson may be better as a safety in the #NFL. How does this affect his draft stock?

I dont know what the whole article says, but the above I do believe. I've never thought he was a Deion or Mike Haynes type CB prospect.

[respectdatstar]

It means he will fall to 9 and be our starting FS next year.;)

[jblaze2004]

we can only hope he falls into our laps at 9 and do not need to trade up it will be like getting dez bryant all over again...lol

[TheCoolFan]

I like both him and Prince as safeties, especially on this team.

[respectdatstar]

I like both him and Prince as safeties, especially on this team.

I really think if we were to get Peterson and put him at FS, it would immensely improve our secondary and defense, overall. Assuming we get him at 9, we could still take a shot at a top OT in the 2nd. I'd be happy with that.

[Hostile]

I think he's a CB, but I don't care as long as we get him. Would you take Ed Reed or Troy Polamalu at #9? I would.

[Avery]

PP has as much as anyone to lose at the combine. He's either slimmed down to under 210 or has always been at that weight with LSU fudging the numbers.

If his hips are more fluid than previously thought, he'll be top five. If he's stiff, the questions will continue.

[dbair1967]

I think he's a CB, but I don't care as long as we get him. Would you take Ed Reed or Troy Polamalu at #9? I would.

Sure, if you knew he was that type of player.

The potential of moving him to FS and having him pan out bigtime there is one reason I would take him. But I dont think he's a sure thing at CB at all.

I'd still rather look at other positons with our first pick, whether its at 9 or lower via a trade down.

[burmafrd]

Just do not see what all the hype is about. Have been able to watch several of his games lately on the net and I just do not see all that much.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Just do not see what all the hype is about. Have been able to watch several of his games lately on the net and I just do not see all that much.


You dont notice the CB?

Good

[burmafrd]

well according to some he is supposed to be a play maker which should mean he gets noticed.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Theres only so much a DB can do. Unless you are Troy Polamalu and try to be the hero of every single play.

Peterson projects as a do it all player. Bump and run, 1 on 1, run support, pick-6, force fumbles, punt returner. He can cover his man all game and still make a play. As opposed to a DeAngelo Hall/Asante Samuel who can pick a pass off but get beat too much

As I originally stated. Hes like Dez Bryant on defense. He can just change things in a blink

[Joe Rod]

I agree with Mayock. But, I also think he will be a dominant Free Safety and we should still trade up a few spots if he falls.

[GloryDaysRBack]

Thinking out loud here..I am thinking Cleveland is our most likely trade partner. If somehow Peterson falls to 6, I think there is a chance we move up and get him.

First and foremost, cle took Haden last year, so they may not want to go db in rd 1 again. We also need to hope that whoever they are looking for is already off the board.

Couple that with JJs good relationship with Holmgren and I think you have a deal. If things can fall the right way for us, we might be in business.

[Sam I Am]

Just draft the fool if you can. Then put him on the field and figure out which position he plays better. A top CB is a great thing to have as they can shutdown one half of the field, but a safety can overall dominate a game better than a CB.

Players like Ed Reed, Steroid Boy Troy, Ronnie Lott, etc are easily worth a top 5 pick.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Thinking out loud here..I am thinking Cleveland is our most likely trade partner. If somehow Peterson falls to 6, I think there is a chance we move up and get him.

First and foremost, cle took Haden last year, so they may not want to go db in rd 1 again. We also need to hope that whoever they are looking for is already off the board.

Couple that with JJs good relationship with Holmgren and I think you have a deal. If things can fall the right way for us, we might be in business.

What if AJ Green is on the board for Cle at 6?

Cincy at 4 is interesting. They could take Cam Newton as an insurance policy(or even just because they are Cincy). Or they can take AJ Green to try and convince Palmer to change his mind.

I guess I hope they take AJ Green. There are other teams who need a QB anyway, and having AJ Green off the board should make Cleveland more receptive to a trade down. They can target Julio Jones or Dareus at 9.

[Sam I Am]

What if AJ Green is on the board for Cle at 6?

I think Cleveland shouldn't be taking a WR at 6. If they were smart, they would be drafting defensive lineman.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I think Cleveland shouldn't be taking a WR at 6. If they were smart, they would be drafting defensive lineman.


If you have a young WB you need to get him some playmakers. If McCoy struggles next year they are back to square 1. Cleveland and STL should and will be all over Green/Julio Jones

[GloryDaysRBack]

What if AJ Green is on the board for Cle at 6?

Cincy at 4 is interesting. They could take Cam Newton as an insurance policy(or even just because they are Cincy). Or they can take AJ Green to try and convince Palmer to change his mind.

I guess I hope they take AJ Green. There are other teams who need a QB anyway, and having AJ Green off the board should make Cleveland more receptive to a trade down. They can target Julio Jones or Dareus at 9.

Yeah, Green is someone I think we need off the board by pick 6..

Carolina- not taking Peterson..not at 1
Denver- very possible
Bills-semi possible
Bengals- don't need db help..not taking him
Cardinals-very well could take him

We need to dodge 2 or 3 picks for PP to fall to 6..

[TheCount]

I thought this was a given, I think he'd be a good FS option for us, he's got the size and the cover ability. FS's have more opportunities to impact an opponents passing game these days than CB's do. It's not a position we can continue to skimp on.

You can still drop him into the slot to cover a guy one on one, drop him back and let him play center field, etc. You can just do so much more with a safety with cover skills than you can with just a pure CB.

[Zaxor]

Just do not see what all the hype is about. Have been able to watch several of his games lately on the net and I just do not see all that much.

me too ...he is not seeing things like he should already and putting him at safety might be a disaster...Hos says the kid is a stud waiting to happen so he may be the real deal... but I just don't see it... but it wouldn't be the first time I didn't see something.

[TheCount]

me too ...he is not seeing things like he should already and putting him at safety might be a disaster...Hos says the kid is a stud waiting to happen so he may be the real deal... but I just don't see it... but it wouldn't be the first time I didn't see something.

Some are predicting he'll be the 2nd or 3rd player off the board, but I don't see it.

The only CB's to go in the Top 5 in the last 10 years are:

Eric Berry (FS/SS) - 2010 (5h Overall)
Sean Taylor (FS) - 2004 (5th Overall)
Terence Newman (CB) - 2003 (5th Overall)
Quentin Jammer (CB) - 2002 (5th Overall)

Notice a trend?

Out of all those people, given it's too early to tell on Berry, neither of the CB's taken have set the world on fire. Neither Newman or Jammer has become the face of their respective defenses in the way a Revis, Woodson or Asomugha has.

Sean Taylor was a legit safety and Berry looks to be pretty legit as well, but of course they actually had experience at the position in college.

From this we can also see two things:

1. NO DB has gone before the 5th pick in the last decade.
2. Spending a Top 5 pick on a CB is a relative waste of the pick. If you're going to do take a DB, you spend it on a safety, not a cornerback.

I don't think Peterson goes in the Top 4 picks, 5th is a possibility but Arizona is probably looking QB. So odds are, we're looking at battling Cleveland for his services at the earliest.

[jjktkk]

me too ...he is not seeing things like he should already and putting him at safety might be a disaster...Hos says the kid is a stud waiting to happen so he may be the real deal... but I just don't see it... but it wouldn't be the first time I didn't see something.

For the reasons you described, thats why I wouldn't trade up for him. If your trading up for a player, there shouldn't be any question marks. Now if Peterson is there at #9, then sure, nab him. The Cowboys do not have alot of picks to be trading up, and they need those picks to fill holes on the O-Line, ILB, and D-Line, among other spots.

[casmith07]

Yeah, Green is someone I think we need off the board by pick 6..

Carolina- not taking Peterson..not at 1
Denver- very possible
Bills-semi possible
Bengals- don't need db help..not taking him
Cardinals-very well could take him

We need to dodge 2 or 3 picks for PP to fall to 6..

Carolina - Fairley.
Denver - hinges on the Champ Bailey situation.
Bills - Need front 7 help in the worst way.
Bengals - Probably will be looking for a QB.
Cardinals - in love with Cam Newton.

[casmith07]

1. NO DB has gone before the 5th pick in the last decade.


Terence Newman was taken by the Dallas Cowboys #5 overall in the 2003 NFL Draft, 8 years ago.

[Sam I Am]

Carolina - Fairley.
Denver - hinges on the Champ Bailey situation.
Bills - Need front 7 help in the worst way.
Bengals - Probably will be looking for a QB.
Cardinals - in love with Cam Newton.

Hmm. I wouldn't let my draft plans hinge on a soon-to-be 33 year old CB.

[Sam I Am]

Terence Newman was taken by the Dallas Cowboys #5 overall in the 2003 NFL Draft, 8 years ago.

He said *before* the 5th pick. He even noted the Newman pick earlier in the same post.

[TheCount]

He said *before* the 5th pick. He even noted the Newman pick earlier in the same post.

Thank you, I thought I was losing my mind. :laugh2:

[InmanRoshi]

He's Antrelle Rolle to me.

[Hostile]

Sure, if you knew he was that type of player.

The potential of moving him to FS and having him pan out bigtime there is one reason I would take him. But I dont think he's a sure thing at CB at all.

I'd still rather look at other positons with our first pick, whether its at 9 or lower via a trade down.Not that it is worth a spit, but I do.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Guys, Champ is leaving Den.

PP will go 2nd.

[SDogo]

Guys, Champ is leaving Den.

PP will go 2nd.


There is one way he gets [ast Denver and that's only because from every time I bring the Broncos up I'm told they are trying like hell to shop that pick.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

There is one way he gets [ast Denver and that's only because from every time I bring the Broncos up I'm told they are trying like hell to shop that pick.

Maybe so, but I can't see them dropping below 9. If they do trade down, assuming they still pick before us, and Champ leaves, PP will be the pick either way. In other words Denvers his floor. Assuming we don't trade up.

[Avery]

I would concur that he'll go to Denver at #2. They'll take whoever they can on defense.

[Chocolate Lab]

He's Antrelle Rolle to me.

That's what I'd be afraid of, too.

It's almost axiomatic that when you start talking about a supposed top corner moving to safety, he's not really a top corner. Which great corner over the last decade was talked about like that? No one seriously talked about it with Revis, Bailey, Deion, etc.

And as far as PP going to Denver... I dunno. Fox seems like a front-seven guy to me. Seems like he always had lower first rounders or less at corner. Maybe the closest was when they paid quite a bit for Lucas several years ago.

[burntricersx]

Drafting a FS at #9 just doesn't seem wise to me...especially since he's not even experienced at the position.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/1094004925/DSC_1637_normal.jpg (http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/1094004925/DSC_1637_normal.jpg)WesBunting Wesley Bunting
Hearing the Broncos are starting to lean more toward DE Da'Quan Bowers with that number 2 pick, move to 43, he makes perfect sense #NFLDRAFT


So far so good.

[dbair1967]

Guys, Champ is leaving Den.

PP will go 2nd.

I'll bet he dont.

But they draft stupid, so it wouldnt shock me either.

[GloryDaysRBack]

http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/1094004925/DSC_1637_normal.jpg (http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/1094004925/DSC_1637_normal.jpg)WesBunting Wesley Bunting
Hearing the Broncos are starting to lean more toward DE Da'Quan Bowers with that number 2 pick, move to 43, he makes perfect sense #NFLDRAFT


So far so good.

There is a very real chance Peterson will fall to 6..I don't know how badly we want Peterson or if we want him at all..but I am thinking if we really want him we will have a chance to trade with Cleveland to get him. Me being completely honest, I am not certain Peterson is the player we need the most right now..even if we didn't have to move up to get him, which we will have to, i am still not positive he's our biggest need..

[acer941]

There is a very real chance Peterson will fall to 6..I don't know how badly we want Peterson or if we want him at all..but I am thinking if we really want him we will have a chance to trade with Cleveland to get him. Me being completely honest, I am not certain Peterson is the player we need the most right now..even if we didn't have to move up to get him, which we will have to, i am still not positive he's our biggest need..

Marcell Dareus or a trade down OT is what we need.

[GloryDaysRBack]

Marcell Dareus or a trade down OT is what we need.

Cam Jordan > Marcel Dareus

I will be thrilled if we take T. Smith at 9

[ThreeSportStar80]

I don't want someone who has to learn a new position at the 9th spot... Give me Von Miller.

[GloryDaysRBack]

I don't want someone who has to learn a new position at the 9th spot... Give me Von Miller.

Who knows, maybe Dallas keeps him at CB

[Sarge]

Drafting a FS at #9 just doesn't seem wise to me...especially since he's not even experienced at the position.

:signmast:

[jblaze2004]

Taylor Mays at the CB position
:flex: :a-team: :laugh1:

[acer941]

Cam Jordan > Marcel Dareus

I will be thrilled if we take T. Smith at 9

Marcell Dareus > Cam Jordan anyday and twice on Sundays.

[GloryDaysRBack]

Marcell Dareus > Cam Jordan anyday and twice on Sundays.

No chance..Dareus isn't half the pass rusher Cam Jordan is..Dareus' game is going to make him a solid pro..Jordan has the ability to be a difference maker in the NFL. Jordans will be far more disruptive in the pros

[natesboys051]

FORGET TRYING TO GET A TOP TIER OT IN THE 2ND RD.....THEY WON'T BE THERE. Rob Ryan will FIX the defense and get additional players to FIT his scheme. We may even get Shaun Rogers to play NT and one or two other defensive players that Cleveland CUT recently. One or more could provide the necessary DEPTH for our defense at NT, ILB and other key defensive position lacking depth (and experience) at the moment.

Jerrah needs to address the OL in this year's draft due to our (unusual) drafting position of picking 9th in each round. Our 90's team had the BEST OL in the NFL and our D-Line had the best DEPTH and rotation as well. We NEED to get more younger and explosive at the Guard and Center position and draft the BPA OT in Rd 1. If we draft and upgrade our TALENT base in the OL THIS YEAR, we'll be a VERY DANGEROUS TEAM COME THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!

Hopefully, Jerrah will get us a BIG RB or two as well to wear down teams and then HIT them with the BIG STRIKE to Dez or Miles going deep. This new strategy will also keep our DEFENSE more fresher and with Rob Ryan's scheme, I expect alot more turnovers (i.e. picks & fumbles) and more 3 and out by opposing offenses.

That being said, we'll need to ensure our OL can sustain the added minutes on the field. So, we definitely NEED to get BIG and NASTY and YOUNG on the OL with a couple of BIG RBs to wear down opposing defenses.

Trust me, NOBODY will want to FACE the Cowboys if we have a nasty OL with big RB's and Rob Ryan leading our defensive unit (especially is we're able to sign Shaun Rogers and rotate him with Raftilff at the NT position) and get more of Cleveland's recently CUT defensive players for depth (they were slightly older and making TOO MUCH money).

[acer941]

FORGET TRYING TO GET A TOP TIER OT IN THE 2ND RD.....THEY WON'T BE THERE. Rob Ryan will FIX the defense and get additional players to FIT his scheme. We may even get Shaun Rogers to play NT and one or two other defensive players that Cleveland CUT recently. One or more could provide the necessary DEPTH for our defense at NT, ILB and other key defensive position lacking depth (and experience) at the moment.

Jerrah needs to address the OL in this year's draft due to our (unusual) drafting position of picking 9th in each round. Our 90's team had the BEST OL in the NFL and our D-Line had the best DEPTH and rotation as well. We NEED to get more younger and explosive at the Guard and Center position and draft the BPA OT in Rd 1. If we draft and upgrade our TALENT base in the OL THIS YEAR, we'll be a VERY DANGEROUS TEAM COME THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!

Hopefully, Jerrah will get us a BIG RB or two as well to wear down teams and then HIT them with the BIG STRIKE to Dez or Miles going deep. This new strategy will also keep our DEFENSE more fresher and with Rob Ryan's scheme, I expect alot more turnovers (i.e. picks & fumbles) and more 3 and out by opposing offenses.

That being said, we'll need to ensure our OL can sustain the added minutes on the field. So, we definitely NEED to get BIG and NASTY and YOUNG on the OL with a couple of BIG RBs to wear down opposing defenses.

Trust me, NOBODY will want to FACE the Cowboys if we have a nasty OL with big RB's and Rob Ryan leading our defensive unit (especially is we're able to sign Shaun Rogers and rotate him with Raftilff at the NT position) and get more of Cleveland's recently CUT defensive players for depth (they were slightly older and making TOO MUCH money).

We could easily Draft Tyron Smith or Nate Solder at 9. Then trade back into the 1st and get Mike Pouncey which would solve 2 Pos. on the O-Line for a LONG TIME! But then we would have to depend on FAs to fill the FS and DE spot.

[dbair1967]

Then trade back into the 1st and get Mike Pouncey which would solve 2 Pos. on the O-Line for a LONG TIME! .

That would absolutely make me hurl on draft day. I wouldnt spend our pick in the 2nd on Pouncey, let alone trade way back up into the first to get him.

He may ne his brothers twin in looks, but he aint close to him in level of play.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Pouncey is going to be a good guard but there are plenty in this draft. We dont need one in the top 30 and I think we need a C/G anyway

[acer941]

That would absolutely make me hurl on draft day. I wouldnt spend our pick in the 2nd on Pouncey, let alone trade way back up into the first to get him.

He may ne his brothers twin in looks, but he aint close to him in level of play.

Me being a florida fan,I watched every single florida game and Pouncey is just as good as his brother maybe even more athletic. Only problem with mike is that he is awful at snapping the ball. But he will be a Pro-Bowl guard just watch and see.

[GloryDaysRBack]

Me being a florida fan,I watched every single florida game and Pouncey is just as good as his brother maybe even more athletic. Only problem with mike is that he is awful at snapping the ball. But he will be a Pro-Bowl guard just watch and see.

The general consensus of scouts and draftniks is that mike isn't even close to his brother

[Beast_from_East]

Peterson is the best player in this draft since Luck decided to go back to school.


If there is any way possible to come out of this draft with him, it will be like hitting a grand slam. I have watched alot of LSU games this past year and Peterson was the best player on the field in almost every game.


The #6 pick is the key, Clevland would be the logical trading partner for us and since Clevland drafted Hayden last year they probably will not draft another corner in the top 10 this year.

[jterrell]

PP is a much better version of Sean Smith.

He'll play CB because it has more value.

He may be a safety in 6 or 7 years but not right away.

He is probably the best overall athlete in this draft. Once he runs at the combine he'll be a lock as a top 4 pick.

Mike Jenkins matches up with smaller CB and a PP to match up with the bigger guys would be ideal. It is also ideal to be able to blitz a PP. He is the closest thing to Charles Woodson coming out in a long time.

Woodson can play safety but he doesn't.....

[AKATheRake]

Theres only so much a DB can do. Unless you are Troy Polamalu and try to be the hero of every single play.

Peterson projects as a do it all player. Bump and run, 1 on 1, run support, pick-6, force fumbles, punt returner. He can cover his man all game and still make a play. As opposed to a DeAngelo Hall/Asante Samuel who can pick a pass off but get beat too much

As I originally stated. Hes like Dez Bryant on defense. He can just change things in a blink

I do have to agree with all of the above. He is the CB version of Dez Bryant.

In this video he's covering Julio Jones and look what happens? That's no slouch WR.

The rest just showcases his skills overall as well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1oqIK9cMTY

[TheCount]

We could easily Draft Tyron Smith or Nate Solder at 9. Then trade back into the 1st and get Mike Pouncey which would solve 2 Pos. on the O-Line for a LONG TIME! But then we would have to depend on FAs to fill the FS and DE spot.

If we draft Nate Solder I will be livid.