Every pro mock says Amukamara? Like we'd be lucky?

[AKATheRake]

Seriously? Nobody picks him before us and if they do thank the football Gods.

How the hell is nobody talking about Marcell Dareus?

Always double teamed in a 3-4 and always beats the double teams.

If not Peterson or Fairley, why not Dareus? On film I would take him before Fairley.

We're not getting Peterson and even if we do our d-line is the real problem on defense.

We do not scare o-lines. That's why 3rd down the opposition can fit a 20 yarder in at key moments.

O-line has better value in the 2nd.

[TheCount]

I think the assumption is Dareus goes before our pick.

[GloryDaysRBack]

I think the assumption is Dareus goes before our pick.

That's not entirely true

Many people, like myself, do not view Dareus as the best 3-4 DE in this class..Cam Jordan is a much much better pass rusher and IMO a better 3-4 DE..Dareus is a better player than Jordan as a 4-3 DT..but that's not us

[AKATheRake]

That's not entirely true

Many people, like myself, do not view Dareus as the best 3-4 DE in this class..Cam Jordan is a much much better pass rusher and IMO a better 3-4 DE..Dareus is a better player than Jordan as a 4-3 DT..but that's not us

My bro, Cam looks Igor Olshansky against double teams.

Dareus played in a 3-4 as the LDE and was always doubled and always beat them.

9 sacks from that position in a much more competitive conference.

Pro ready as a junior and always show up in the big games.

Can play every position great on all d-line spots.

What's that about Cam?

I got so much respect for you bro because I love this football like you do.

But, what's that about Cam?

[GloryDaysRBack]

My bro, Cam looks Igor Olshansky against double teams.
Dareus played in a 3-4 as the LDE and was always doubled and always beat them.
9 sacks from that position in a much more competitive conference.
Pro ready as a junior and always show up in the big games.

Can play every position great on all d-line spots.

What's that about Cam?

I got so much respect for you bro because I love this football like you do.

But, what's that about Cam?

Lmao..debating pass rush skills between Jordan and Dareus really isn't even debatable..

Cam Jordan has a plethora of moves and is infinitely quicker off the line than Dareus..

[AKATheRake]

I think the assumption is Dareus goes before our pick.

Watch, come push to shove the guy goes top 5.

I don't know how these guys here don't see what this monster is about?

He has much better footage than even Fairley.

2 years straight.

Always the dominating force in the big games.

I just don't understand all the hush about him?

I know we're a month away but it's that hush?

When it's like that with the teams it's that scary.....

Pro ready for any spot on a 3-4 front and just ridiculous at it.

Some how no love pre-draft.

[GloryDaysRBack]

No love because he isn't going to be a dominating force..he is going to be another Marcus spears..very solid..good starter for a very long time..not an all pro type player..not a dominating player

[AKATheRake]

Lmao..debating pass rush skills between Jordan and Dareus really isn't even debatable..

Cam Jordan has a plethora of moves and is infinitely quicker off the line than Dareus..

Okay, okay. We don't debate than.

We watch.

Here's Marcell Dareus footage which are all quick 30 seconds. Watch the pass rush, the pocket just collapsing. Big game too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5T8jSWeLgI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mraJ61VBmxc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKtXY2N-qPk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdDQzNH2_r8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE4zv0JOqlc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8OQTweltrA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pntvmfPV-Ms&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olGY8g6b2yE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc_tFjmih7k&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN7WbXunJcc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=insLuoYsDXw&feature=related


They're all short but are so indicative. BCS championship and Capital One Bowl. 2 big freakin games.

Dareus is a junior and that dominant against double teams in a 3 man front. Not 4.

Here's Cam's best footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOx7bqKP4m0


I'll take # 57 over #97 any day. Any position across a 3-4 d-line.

Dareus played for Nick Saban's 3-4 and apparently Cam Jordan played for a defense at Cal that is more us?

Come on bro! don't do me like that.

That's funny!

All the love, but that's funny!

[AKATheRake]

No love because he isn't going to be a dominating force..he is going to be another Marcus spears..very solid..good starter for a very long time..not an all pro type player..not a dominating player

Nah man.

That is Cam Jordan.

Not Marcell Dareus.

Every play he's doubled and shoves that pocket around.

Jordan is nowhere the player Dareus is.

Not even close.

[TheFinisher]

Lmao..debating pass rush skills between Jordan and Dareus really isn't even debatable..

Cam Jordan has a plethora of moves and is infinitely quicker off the line than Dareus..

Cam Jordan has never shown the ability to be an effective interior rusher, Dareus has.

Jordan is a bad fit in a 3-4, he's strictly a LE in a 40 front.

[TheFinisher]

Watch, come push to shove the guy goes top 5.

I don't know how these guys here don't see what this monster is about?

He has much better footage than even Fairley.

2 years straight.

Always the dominating force in the big games.

I just don't understand all the hush about him?

I know we're a month away but it's that hush?

When it's like that with the teams it's that scary.....

Pro ready for any spot on a 3-4 front and just ridiculous at it.

Some how no love pre-draft.

Dareus is viewed as a consensus top 5 player in the class, not sure how much more love he can get?

[BrAinPaiNt]

Dareus is viewed as a consensus top 5 player in the class, not sure how much more love he can get?

This is what happens when man love turns into obsession. :D

[AKATheRake]

Dareus is viewed as a consensus top 5 player in the class, not sure how much more love he can get?

Not too many mocks have him in the top 10 let alone 5.

Barely any of the zoners have him on their mock drafts. Haven't even seen 1.

I see him as a top 5 talent but I haven't seen many posters or pro mock drafts giving him his due.

This guy is perfect for what we need on our d-line.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Not too many mocks have him in the top 10 let alone 5.

Barely any of the zoners have him on their mock drafts. Haven't even seen 1.

I see him as a top 5 talent but I haven't seen many posters or pro mock drafts giving him his due.

This guy is perfect for what we need on our d-line.

Well then you have not looked hard enough. Seriously.

I mean even in this thread alone it seems you are the only one arguing the point while others are telling you he is viewed as going before our pick therefore he must be good yet you are still arguing he does not get enough love.

It truly is bizarre.

That's it. I think we need a drug test.

[GloryDaysRBack]

Cam Jordan has never shown the ability to be an effective interior rusher, Dareus has.

Jordan is a bad fit in a 3-4, he's strictly a LE in a 40 front.

I haven't found one draft site that says Jordan is a better fit in a 40 front..

[supercowboy8]

My bro, Cam looks Igor Olshansky against double teams.

Dareus played in a 3-4 as the LDE and was always doubled and always beat them.

9 sacks from that position in a much more competitive conference.

Pro ready as a junior and always show up in the big games.

Can play every position great on all d-line spots.

What's that about Cam?

I got so much respect for you bro because I love this football like you do.

But, what's that about Cam?

I live in SEC territory and watched every alabama game the last 3 years. Dareus is just another Spears.
When Spears was at LSU he was a force and always in the back field.
3-4 DE is not worth a top 10 pick. You can get a good 3-4 DE later in round 1 -round 3. Look at all the 3-4 DE in the NFL, how many are dominate.

[TheFinisher]

I haven't found one draft site that says Jordan is a better fit in a 40 front..

...Then you're not doing a lot of looking around.

[AKATheRake]

Well then you have not looked hard enough. Seriously.

I mean even in this thread alone it seems you are the only one arguing the point while others are telling you he is viewed as going before our pick therefore he must be good yet you are still arguing he does not get enough love.

It truly is bizarre.

That's it. I think we need a drug test.

I have 2 posts in this thread saying I see him as a top 5 talent. There is 1 poster other than myself in this thread saying he is seen as a top 5 prospect.

Everyone else is saying he's another Marcus Spears.

So whats this about a drug test? LMAO!

Where do you see him come up in most peoples mocks as a top 5 pick or who they want as there pick at # 9 in their own mocks?

Thus the question of why nobody is interested.

So the consensus answer on this thread is 1 guy other than myself saying he's worth of a top 5 pick.

The rest saying he's a Marcus Spears clone or that 3-4 DE's aren't worth taking.

Ohh, also that Cam Jordan or JJ. Watt or the better guys to take.

[AKATheRake]

I live in SEC territory and watched every alabama game the last 3 years. Dareus is just another Spears.
When Spears was at LSU he was a force and always in the back field.
3-4 DE is not worth a top 10 pick. You can get a good 3-4 DE later in round 1 -round 3. Look at all the 3-4 DE in the NFL, how many are dominate.

Not many other than Richard Seymour who is not playing DT in a 4-3 scheme.

He's considered the highest paid defensive player for the next 2 seasons and someone I wanted before he was re-signed.

He mostly made his living as a 3-4 DE.

He went 4th overall when he was selected.

When you find a good one you go and get him if he's there. Especially when only 1 of your 4 DE's is signed for this season and none are signed after this season.

Especially when your d-line was not getting into the oppositions backfield and all but 1 of your lb's who could have 2-3 pro bowlers in that core any given year were mostly looking average pressure wise.

Now Spencer the season before last looked like a probowler and James has done his bit in that regard. We were a solid argument for best LB unit versus the Steelers unit before this season started.

Making sure that's outlined before I hear how Spencer and our other lb's are just average because of this 1 season.

[BrAinPaiNt]

All mocks that show him before our Pick...yet he gets no love and you don't see mocks showing him before our pick...

http://walterfootball.com/draft2011.php - Listed at 8

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock - Listed at 3

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2011/02/22/2011-nfl-mock-draft-2-1-grading-the-picks/?sem=1&ncid=AOLSPR00170000000009&s_kwcid=TC|10781|2011%20NFL%20mock%20draft||S|b|71 22196520 - Listed at 5

http://newnfldraft.com/ - Listed at 1

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php - Listed at 3

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2011/nflmockdraft.html - Listed at 6



Actually of the draft sites I quickly pulled up on a simple google search I went through 5 before I found one that did not show him going before our pick.

Take two and call me in the morning.

[GloryDaysRBack]

...Then you're not doing a lot of looking around.

Care to share?

[AKATheRake]

All mocks that show him before our Pick...yet he gets no love and you don't see mocks showing him before our pick...

http://walterfootball.com/draft2011.php - Listed at 8

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock - Listed at 3

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2011/02/22/2011-nfl-mock-draft-2-1-grading-the-picks/?sem=1&ncid=AOLSPR00170000000009&s_kwcid=TC|10781|2011%20NFL%20mock%20draft||S|b|71 22196520 - Listed at 5

http://newnfldraft.com/ - Listed at 1

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php - Listed at 3

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2011/nflmockdraft.html - Listed at 6



Actually of the draft sites I quickly pulled up on a simple google search I went through 5 before I found one that did not show him going before our pick.

Take two and call me in the morning.

:laugh2: Ok, I took 2.

Only the CBS one is of people who are in the business and would be considered of professional knowledge. Not to say they know football because they are journalists but at least we know who they are and make a living off this stuff.

That was one of my points.

The others are all over the place and half of them have us taking Prince.

Any threads or Mocks here other than me and the one made yesterday from Rotoworld taking Dareus with our #9 or saying he goes before us?

[BrAinPaiNt]

:laugh2: Ok, I took 2.

Only the CBS one is of people who are in the business and would be considered of professional knowledge. Not to say they know football because they are journalists but at least we know who they are and make a living off this stuff.

That was one of my points.

The others are all over the place and half of them have us taking Prince.

Any threads or Mocks here other than me and the one made yesterday from Rotoworld taking Dareus with our #9 or saying he goes before us?

Quit moving goal posts.

I provided links to draft sites that have him going anywhere from 8 all the way up to number one overall.

So you can laugh and move goal posts all you want but you are wrong.

Here is another...

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-mock-draft-post-senior-bowl-012911 - listed at 3

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/612151-mel-kipers-2011-nfl-mock-draft-20-a-pick-by-pick-critique-of-latest-mock/page/9 - Mel Kiper lists at 8

It's ok to be wrong, it's ok to admit you are wrong...in this case you are wrong.

[AKATheRake]

Quit moving goal posts.

I provided links to draft sites that have him going anywhere from 8 all the way up to number one overall.

So you can laugh and move goal posts all you want but you are wrong.

Here is another...

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-mock-draft-post-senior-bowl-012911 - listed at 3

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/612151-mel-kipers-2011-nfl-mock-draft-20-a-pick-by-pick-critique-of-latest-mock/page/9 - Mel Kiper lists at 8

It's ok to be wrong, it's ok to admit you are wrong...in this case you are wrong.

Noooo... It's not okay to admit being wrong. Noooo..... just kidding bro. :laugh2:

Is that the Kipper mock that has us taking Amukamara? Like half of them out there?

Don't know if I'm wrong or right but I don't see many posters at the zone wanting Dareus. That's why I ask where is the love. Not moving goal posts

Some will say because the guy is seen as a top 5 pick well there's all kinds of love for Peterson, which I got much for also. Peterson is considered a top 3 prospect but he's included in most of the mocks done here.

If not Peterson, I see Cam Jordan or Robert Quinn who is considered in the top 10 like Dareus.

I also see trade down for Tyron Smith or Gabe Carimi.

So I guess I'm dreaming. I've asked an unfair question.

So sowwy. Apparently there is all this Marcell Dareus love for our pick.

I do however appreciate all of the resourceful links provided in this discussion. Your point is valid but neither are wrong imho.

[baj1dallas]

I live in SEC territory and watched every alabama game the last 3 years. Dareus is just another Spears.
When Spears was at LSU he was a force and always in the back field.
3-4 DE is not worth a top 10 pick. You can get a good 3-4 DE later in round 1 -round 3. Look at all the 3-4 DE in the NFL, how many are dominate.

I completely disagree with that. Dareus was both a bigger and better player than Spears was. Spears was not "a force and always in the back field".

[baj1dallas]

Well then you have not looked hard enough. Seriously.

I mean even in this thread alone it seems you are the only one arguing the point while others are telling you he is viewed as going before our pick therefore he must be good yet you are still arguing he does not get enough love.

It truly is bizarre.

That's it. I think we need a drug test.

The argument seems to be that Dareus is similar to Spears because they both played in the SEC, which is an utterly ridiculous contention of course. You can't judge Dareus on Spears, you have to judge him on his own merits and realize that they're different players.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I completely disagree with that. Dareus was both a bigger and better player than Spears was. Spears was not "a force and always in the back field".

Different players, different teams, different times.

However stats wise...Spears last year is superior to Marcell Dareus last year, in the backfield.

Marcell Tackles for loss 11
Marcus tackles for loss 17

Marcell Sacks 4.5
Marcus sacks 9

Marcell QB pressure/hurries 10
Marcus QB pressure/hurries 21

Just saying:D

[AKATheRake]

I completely disagree with that. Dareus was both a bigger and better player than Spears was. Spears was not "a force and always in the back field".

The argument seems to be that Dareus is similar to Spears because they both played in the SEC, which is an utterly ridiculous contention of course. You can't judge Dareus on Spears, you have to judge him on his own merits and realize that they're different players.

I obviously see it the same way you do regarding Dareus. If he's there at #9 do you take him?

[supercowboy8]

I completely disagree with that. Dareus was both a bigger and better player than Spears was. Spears was not "a force and always in the back field".

yes he was in his college days at LSU. Bill wanted Spears at 11 over Ware. Spears was suppose to be a top 10 pick but fell for reasons we all see. Dareus has those same reasons as to why he will fall. Dareus is dominate at times but usually on vs small OL and bad teams. Against NFL caliber OL he got owned. Dareus is not worth a top 10 pick.
No 3-4 DE is worth a top 10 pick, they just don't make a big enough difference in a game.
The 3-4 DE is suppose to take on blocks and free up lanes for LB and stuff the running lanes. You can find those players later in the draft. Top 10 is to early for a 3-4 DE and if Dareus is picked top 10 by a 3-4 team then he will be considered a bust much like many consider Spears.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Noooo... It's not okay to admit being wrong. Noooo..... just kidding bro. :laugh2:

Is that the Kipper mock that has us taking Amukamara? Like half of them out there?

Don't know if I'm wrong or right but I don't see many posters at the zone wanting Dareus. That's why I ask where is the love. Not moving goal posts

Some will say because the guy is seen as a top 5 pick well there's all kinds of love for Peterson, which I got much for also. Peterson is considered a top 3 prospect but he's included in most of the mocks done here.

If not Peterson, I see Cam Jordan or Robert Quinn who is considered in the top 10 like Dareus.

I also see trade down for Tyron Smith or Gabe Carimi.

So I guess I'm dreaming. I've asked an unfair question.

So sowwy. Apparently there is all this Marcell Dareus love for our pick.

I do however appreciate all of the resourceful links provided in this discussion. Your point is valid but neither are wrong imho.

Another thing I don't think you are considering...

Most draft guys think that Dallas needs more help at DB and Oline than at DE in a 3-4 scheme.

Some might agree that AJ Green is the best WR and complain because nobody has us taking Green...well the same argument would hold...he will probably be taken before us and most have us taking DB or Olinemen instead of a WR.

[supercowboy8]

Different players, different teams, different times.

However stats wise...Spears last year is superior to Marcell Dareus last year, in the backfield.

Marcell Tackles for loss 11
Marcus tackles for loss 17

Marcell Sacks 4.5
Marcus sacks 9

Marcell QB pressure/hurries 10
Marcus QB pressure/hurries 21

Just saying:D


Thanks for posting the stats, I was just about to look them up. According to these stats Spears was even better. Sorry to all you Dareus fans because A. your Bama fans or B. you don't watch football and just listen to scouts from websites. But take it from a guy who saw every snap Dareus played in the last 3 years. He is nothing more than another Spears, IMO I don't even think he will be that good.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Thanks for posting the stats, I was just about to look them up. According to these stats Spears was even better. Sorry to all you Dareus fans because A. your Bama fans or B. you don't watch football and just listen to scouts from websites. But take it from a guy who saw every snap Dareus played in the last 3 years. He is nothing more than another Spears, IMO I don't even think he will be that good.

Well I don't know how he will be in the pros and all of that.

However to try and say that spears was nothing in college and this guy is way better is bull.

In college spears was a darn good player for LSU.

I don't know if their memory is short or they are just trying to say and do anything to pimp Marcell.

In one sentence they are saying you can't compare the two and in the next they are saying he is far superior.


Personally I don't want any of the 3-4 DEs taken with the 9th pick. I don't care to take a 3-4 DE with a pick that high because the majority of them will not get you sacks. Most of the time they are regulated to stopping the run and engaging blockers for the OLBs to get in there and create the sacks and pressure.

I don't have the time nor the desire to look it up. But I have to wonder how many times in the last 5-10 years a 3-4 DE has racked up double digit sacks. I doubt it is very often.

Add to that the idea that this team needs DB (whether CB or S) help and O-Line help...it is no wonder many are not picking this guy as the pick for Dallas.

[AKATheRake]

Another thing I don't think you are considering...

Most draft guys think that Dallas needs more help at DB and Oline than at DE in a 3-4 scheme.

Some might agree that AJ Green is the best WR and complain because nobody has us taking Green...well the same argument would hold...he will probably be taken before us and most have us taking DB or Olinemen instead of a WR.

They are probably right. However we only have 1 of our 4 DE's signed for the upcoming season and none past that.

As well, this draft class' strongest talent is at the d-line and cb positions.

That's why my short list is Peterson, Fairley and Dareus. I do not think we get either Peterson or Fairley unless we are willing to move up 3 to 4 spots.

Unless we get 2 QB's, Robert Quinn and/or Von Miller going top 10.

So the d-line is a bigger need than is being suggested and the talent is there for a top 10 pick.

Thus why I feel it is a very realistic and viable pick for us.

Regarding O-line, that's why I stated we would get better value in the 2nd to take care of those problems.

If we don't get a shot at Peterson there are more quality FA's in the secondary than DE.

I think a player like Deunta Williams in the 3rd is a good selection but I doubt we can get Aaron Williams from Texas in the 2nd by the time the draft comes around.

So if we don't get Peterson I doubt we get anyone in the secondary until round 3 if Deunta Williams is around and we don't use that pick to move up.

I think when you get a shot at a top 10 pick you don't move out unless the guy you really want is falling to 12 the most and you have a trade partner there that can give you something to help you move you 2nd rounder closer to the first again and get another starting caliber player.

[AKATheRake]

Well I don't know how he will be in the pros and all of that.

However to try and say that spears was nothing in college and this guy is way better is bull.

In college spears was a darn good player for LSU.

I don't know if their memory is short or they are just trying to say and do anything to pimp Marcell.

In one sentence they are saying you can't compare the two and in the next they are saying he is far superior.


Personally I don't want any of the 3-4 DEs taken with the 9th pick. I don't care to take a 3-4 DE with a pick that high because the majority of them will not get you sacks. Most of the time they are regulated to stopping the run and engaging blockers for the OLBs to get in there and create the sacks and pressure.

I don't have the time nor the desire to look it up. But I have to wonder how many times in the last 5-10 years a 3-4 DE has racked up double digit sacks. I doubt it is very often.

Add to that the idea that this team needs DB (whether CB or S) help and O-Line help...it is no wonder many are not picking this guy as the pick for Dallas.

You had Marcus Spears college stats up vs Marcell Dareus'. Please keep in mind Dareus is coming at as a junior at age 21 and Marcus Spears played 1 more season in college up to his Senior year.

I don't think Spears is a bad player and have not dissed his game one bit. But Dareus is the more talented player coming out of college and certainly a much better pass rusher than Spears.

You are very correct in saying 3-4 DE's rarely rack up double digit sacks and the closest one to being good at that would be Richard Seymour in the past decade.

What's important is the level of disruption from a 3-4 DE and Dareus has that ability far more apparent than Spears ever did.

I'm hearing guys here say that Dareus got beaten up by the larger, better quality tackles? Where's the footage and examples? Which tackles?

When you got a guy who can constantly reak havoc in the backfield and if not always doubled will get to the ball carrier or QB like Dareus does it makes those OLB's in the 3-4 who are supposed to get the double digit sacks that much more superior.

We are not physical enough on our d-line.

Dareus is very nasty and he can play all position on the d-line with great disruption.

Marcus Spears does not have his versatility nor level of talent.

If you guys check a post in this thread where I have almost 10 quick links on his play you will see that disruption during 2 bowl games.

He reaks havoc in the backfield constantly regardless of double teams.

He did miss 2 games this season also due to taking some money from an agent.

[BrAinPaiNt]

You really have a severe case of man love.

I guess the pills are not going to help.

Continue to rant about wrong things and be happy with it I guess. :laugh2:

[AKATheRake]

You really have a severe case of man love.

I guess the pills are not going to help.

Continue to rant about wrong things and be happy with it I guess. :laugh2:

If we can't get Peterson or Fairley then call it what you want. Just get me Marcell Dareus.

[Bwareinrings94]

Dareus is my preference and by far. He was dominant against the best conference with the best talent and in the biggest games. He is both stout and nasty. He has the size to rotate with the nose and has great intensity.

[GloryDaysRBack]

If we can't get Peterson or Fairley then call it what you want. Just get me Marcell Dareus.

Your love for Fairley is even more unwarranted than your love for Dareus..and that's saying A LOT

Fairley in a 3-4 = epic fail

[AKATheRake]

Your love for Fairley is even more unwarranted than your love for Dareus..and that's saying A LOT

Fairley in a 3-4 = epic fail

No, I rather have Dareus. Said it in posts throughout this thread.

Epic fail is having so much love for a guy who weighs 285 lbs and wanting to take him with the 9th overall pick to play RT for us.

Especially when your o-line coach is Hudson Houck and your running game is non existant.

He's gonna have to put on at least 20 pounds to play right tackle and has better feet to play LT anyways. Still, this ain't 20 year olds he's playing.

These beasts will throw that kid around like a rag doll. He's all potential and nothing but.

Dareus is as pro ready as it gets.

Ohh and regarding Fairley playing in a 3-4 he has no issue according to him. Read here.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/24/nick-fairley-says-hell-play-anywhere-in-any-defense/

[AKATheRake]

Dareus is my preference and by far. He was dominant against the best conference with the best talent and in the biggest games. He is both stout and nasty. He has the size to rotate with the nose and has great intensity.

Couldn't have said it better myself. As pro ready as any prospect in the draft and is only 21.

Played against the best talent in college football. Dominated it too.

But these guys say things and they know nothing of the player.

You give them footage where the guy clearly takes over big games and still nothing clicks.

This guy and Jay Ratliff would give us 1 of the best d-lines in football.

[DFWJC]

Seriously? Nobody picks him before us and if they do thank the football Gods.

How the hell is nobody talking about Marcell Dareus?

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:laugh2: Calm down ....people LOVE Dareus.
You're right, that kid (man) can play.

It seems to me that EVERYBODY is talking about Dareus and they all think he will be gone before we pick.

I just pulled up 5 straight Mocks that had him no lower than 8th and usually in the top 6.

New NFL Draft
Dareus #1 overall
(Jordan was 23rrd by the way)

New Sport Draft
Dareus 3rd
(Jordan 17th)

NE Patriot Draft
Dareus 6th
(Jordan 9th)

Draft Season
Dareus 8th
Jordan 16th

Football Overdrive
Dareus 6th
Jordan 16th


So see....the man is not at all being overlooked.

Deep breaths.....Rake

[BrAinPaiNt]

If we can't get Peterson or Fairley then call it what you want. Just get me Marcell Dareus.

I see no way we get Fairley...not saying anything is possible but very unlikely.

IF we can not get Peterson or possibly Quinn (who I still have worries about) then I say trade down a few spots to get some extra picks and get a good OT.

Marcell is not on my radar and I would not be happy if we got him. I would not be happy with a 3-4 DE at nine.

[GloryDaysRBack]

If we can't get Peterson or Fairley then call it what you want. Just get me Marcell Dareus.

Don't say this if you don't mean this..

Smith >>>>>> Dareus...bigger need too..

[AKATheRake]

:laugh2: Calm down ....people LOVE Dareus.
You're right, that kid (man) can play.

It seems to me that EVERYBODY is talking about Dareus and they all think he will be gone before we pick.

I just pulled up 5 straight Mocks that had him no lower than 8th and usually in the top 6.

New NFL Draft
Dareus #1 overall
(Jordan was 23rrd by the way)

New Sport Draft
Dareus 3rd
(Jordan 17th)

NE Patriot Draft
Dareus 6th
(Jordan 9th)

Draft Season
Dareus 8th
Jordan 16th

Football Overdrive
Dareus 6th
Jordan 16th


So see....the man is not at all being overlooked.

Deep breaths.....Rake

Hahaha! Alright my man. I'm calm now :laugh2:

I don't know about first overall but I hope we get him, Peterson or Fairley.

I don't see him on any of these guys mock wish lists in the draft zone. But I see Jordan. Talking about the guy like he's the next coming. LOL!

Or they want to risk a top 10 pick on a guy who, albeit talented and I like, has not played in a full season due to suspension and would be a tweener for us in Quinn. When we already have 2 first rounders on the outside.

Oh, they also want to grab a player who weighs 285 pounds to play RT with the 9th overall pick. I don't care what his potential is. We have a shot at a polished player with lots of room still to grow at a position of need.

[AKATheRake]

I see no way we get Fairley...not saying anything is possible but very unlikely.

IF we can not get Peterson or possibly Quinn (who I still have worries about) then I say trade down a few spots to get some extra picks and get a good OT.

Marcell is not on my radar and I would not be happy if we got him. I would not be happy with a 3-4 DE at nine.

You're right about probably not getting a shot at Fairley and the same goes for Peterson. Said it in an earlier post.

If we're going to stay at #9 the elite talent is on the d-line and corner.

If it has to be an OT than I agree, we must trade down.

If I could get Carimi, Solder or Smith and be able to move that 2nd up enough to get Wilkerson I wouldn't be opposed to that.

Then we would have to move Ratliff to DE which is less of a possibility than more.

But if we do stay at 9 and Fairley and Peterson are gone, which they should be, I want Dareus.

Quinn hasn't played all season and he'd need developing moving to a 3-4 OLB. Better off getting Miller but better off not going the OLB route with our first rounder to begin with.

We can get a RT in FA since there are some decent one probably to be available. We can get a heck of a guard in the 2nd for sure possibly a RT like Carimi if we have to move up a bit with the 2nd.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Hahaha! Alright my man. I'm calm now :laugh2:

I don't know about first overall but I hope we get him, Peterson or Fairley.

I don't see him on any of these guys mock wish lists in the draft zone. But I see Jordan. Talking about the guy like he's the next coming. LOL!

Or they want to risk a top 10 pick on a guy who, albeit talented and I like, has not played in a full season due to suspension and would be a tweener for us in Quinn. When we already have 2 first rounders on the outside.

Oh, they also want to grab a player who weighs 285 pounds to play RT with the 9th overall pick. I don't care what his potential is. We have a shot at a polished player with lots of room still to grow at a position of need.

Quinn would not be a tweener...he would eventually beat out Spencer due to his pass rushing abilities. You want to create havoc in the backfield with Dareus? A tag team of Ware and Quinn would create more than Dareus ever would.

Also...who is this 285 pound RT to are talking about? If it is the OT from USC he is 307 not 285.

This team needs another OT more than it needs another 3-4 DE.

It needs more in the DB corp then it needs at 3-4 DE.

Heck you can trade down some, pick up some more picks and still get a good 3-4 DE in this draft.

[DFWJC]

Hahaha! Alright my man. I'm calm now :laugh2:

I don't know about first overall but I hope we get him, Peterson or Fairley.

I don't see him on any of these guys mock wish lists in the draft zone. But I see Jordan. Talking about the guy like he's the next coming. LOL!

Or they want to risk a top 10 pick on a guy who, albeit talented and I like, has not played in a full season due to suspension and would be a tweener for us in Quinn. When we already have 2 first rounders on the outside.

Oh, they also want to grab a player who weighs 285 pounds to play RT with the 9th overall pick. I don't care what his potential is. We have a shot at a polished player with lots of room still to grow at a position of need.
:laugh2: That what I'm talkin' about.

Here are 5 more just for grins.

Football Fan Spot
Dareus 9th to DALLAS
Jordan 17th

Draft Zoo
Dareus 6th
Dallas takes Solder..too high, imo
Jordan 13th

Your NFL Draft
Dareus 3rd
Dallas gets Quinn...sweet..so we disagree on Quinn, I guess.
Jordan 20th

Inside the Eagles
Dareus 4th
Dallas gets Von Miller (i'd take that too)
Jordan 21st

Sports News SW
Dareus 7th
Dallas takes Solder
Jordan 4th...wow (1st one to put him before us)

[BrAinPaiNt]

You're right about probably not getting a shot at Fairley and the same goes for Peterson. Said it in an earlier post.

If we're going to stay at #9 the elite talent is on the d-line and corner.

If it has to be an OT than I agree, we must trade down.

If I could get Carimi, Solder or Smith and be able to move that 2nd up enough to get Wilkerson I wouldn't be opposed to that.

Then we would have to move Ratliff to DE which is less of a possibility than more.

But if we do stay at 9 and Fairley and Peterson are gone, which they should be, I want Dareus.

Quinn hasn't played all season and he'd need developing moving to a 3-4 OLB. Better off getting Miller but better off not going the OLB route with our first rounder to begin with.

We can get a RT in FA since there are some decent one probably to be available. We can get a heck of a guard in the 2nd for sure possibly a guy like Carimi if we have to move up a bit with the 2nd.

Chances are Fairley, Peterson and Dareus will not be there. I actually don't think Quinn would be there either once he blows people away at the combine. Add Von Miller being gone. So there goes the top 3-4 DEs, Top DB and Top OLBs gone.

I think the only player we move up for is Peterson.

That leaves Cam Jordan and JJ Watts at 3-4 DE. Prince at DB and your choice of OTs as probably the best available players at 9.

And you need to get it in your head, whether you like it or not, that the Cowboys really like the OT from USC. Does not mean they will take him but they do have some real interest in him.

[AKATheRake]

Don't say this if you don't mean this..

Smith >>>>>> Dareus...bigger need too..

There's not a doubt in my mind that Dareus is a better prospect than Tyron Smith.

Dareus would dust Smith and the guy he'd need to double team Dareus.

Both lines are a huge need right now and I doubt we re-sign Spears.

The DE's in FA do not offer the overall level of talent this draft can.

The OL in FA do offer a good level of RT talent when looking at this underwhelming tackle class.

I rather have Tyson Clabo over any of the tackles in this draft. Then I'd get a top notch guard or center in the 2nd.

That takes care of the o-line for the most part.

We got Olshansky signed till next year and that's it at DE. That guy needs to go as it is.

I can live with our corners if we can get some serious safety help and theirs some nice players there in FA. Plus if our pass rush improves, which it would with better penetration from the front 3, the coverages will also.

[AKATheRake]

Chances are Fairley, Peterson and Dareus will not be there. I actually don't think Quinn would be there either once he blows people away at the combine. Add Von Miller being gone. So there goes the top 3-4 DEs, Top DB and Top OLBs gone.

I think the only player we move up for is Peterson.

That leaves Cam Jordan and JJ Watts at 3-4 DE. Prince at DB and your choice of OTs as probably the best available players at 9.

And you need to get it in your head, whether you like it or not, that the Cowboys really like the OT from USC. Does not mean they will take him but they do have some real interest in him.

I know they have interest in Tyron Smith. Never said they do. But if this monster is available our defense will just be so much better.

We have no one to play DE right now and you want to move a 1st rounder who is 1 season removed from playing excellent to the bench? For a guy I do like and think can become a very good player but would need to be developed his first year because going to OLB from a 4-3 DE is a transition.

The guy has never had to cover and is a season removed from playing. Nah, not for a top 10 pick. I'm sorry.

I do agree we'd have serious pressure with Quinn alongside Ware but o-lines are wearing us down because our d-line is not physical enough, nor is it collapsing the pocket to give our blitzers the opportunity to hit the QB.

Getting Quinn would be redundant.

I do understand the need for OL and the possibility of moving down to increase our 2nd and 3rd rounders values.

I just don't see how Dareus doesn't come up as a player we're interested in for our team?

This is an underwhelming tackle class and we don't have a great history of using high picks on OL.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I know they have interest in Tyron Smith. Never said they do. But if this monster is available our defense will just be so much better.

We have no one to play DE right now and you want to move a 1st rounder who is 1 season removed from playing excellent to the bench? For a guy I do like and think can become a very good player but would need to be developed his first year because going to OLB from a 4-3 DE is a transition.

The guy has never had to cover and is a season removed from playing. Nah, not for a top 10 pick. I'm sorry.

I do agree we'd have serious pressure with Quinn alongside Ware but o-lines are wearing us down because our d-line is not physical enough, nor is it collapsing the pocket to give our blitzers the opportunity to hit the QB.

Getting Quinn would be redundant.

I do understand the need for OL and the possibility of moving down to increase our 2nd and 3rd rounders values.

I just don't see how Dareus doesn't come up as a player we're interested in for our team?

This is an underwhelming tackle class and we don't have a great history of using high picks on OL.


You seem to be under some thought that Dareus will be sitting there for us. I just don't see it.

And if Jerry and crew trade up to get him...I might fly to valley ranch and smack the wrinkles and liver spots off of his face and tell the pilot to drop a boeing bomb on your house in route.

[AKATheRake]

You seem to be under some thought that Dareus will be sitting there for us. I just don't see it.

And if Jerry and crew trade up to get him...I might fly to valley ranch and smack the wrinkles and liver spots off of his face and tell the pilot to drop a boeing bomb on your house in route.


:lmao: I don't want to trade up for Dareus. I do think he may be there for us at 9. Especially because of 2 QB's, Quinn and Miller probably going into the top 10.

I would trade up 2-4 spots for Peterson though and only him. I rather have Dareus than Fairley.

Fairley and Peterson will be gone before 9 obviously.

I rather grab a guard or Carimi in the early 2nd or late first.

Get a FA OL to boot since we don't have a history of grabbing OL in the first and this is an underwhelming class.

If you are right about Peterson, all the DL and OLB's being gone I move out of the top 10 in a heart beat. I agree.

[InmanRoshi]

I must confess, Amukamara is the one guy I don't get very riled up over. I remember Goose saying when you talk to NFL General Managers elite cornerback is often the most difficult positions to grade because there's just not much tape of them. They get a reputation as being all -everything, and then college offenses just decide to stay away from them and don't even test them. Especially with so many spread offenses in college, who have no shortage of alternative routes to go through. He talked to one NFL General Manager who said he was scared to take Carlos Rogers with a Top 10 pick, because there was only a handfull of plays his entire senior year where teams even tested him. He and the Redskins found out it's a different story in the NFL. Really, the only things I know for sure about Amukamara is he doesn't make many big plays, and when he squared off against an elite NFL starting caliber WR in Blackmon, he was beaten like a drum.

[AKATheRake]

I must confess, Amukamara is the one guy I don't get very riled up over. I remember Goose saying when you talk to NFL General Managers elite cornerback is often the most difficult positions to grade because there's just not much tape of them. They get a reputation as being all -everything, and then college offenses just decide to stay away from them and don't even test them. Especially with so many spread offenses in college, who have no shortage of alternative routes to go through. He talked to one NFL General Manager who said he was scared to take Carlos Rogers with a Top 10 pick, because there was only a handfull of plays his entire senior year where teams even tested him. He and the Redskins found out it's a different story in the NFL. Really, the only things I know for sure about Amukamara is he doesn't make many big plays, and when he squared off against an elite NFL starting caliber WR in Blackmon, he was beaten like a drum.

Exactly what I know about him. Mayock thinks it was just a 1 game breakdown.

Mayock said 1 play was a jump ball, another a trick play and another some interference that should have been called or something.

He says not to buy that game against Blackmon but Amukamara looked totally out classed and he'll see those types of WR's and situations all over the NFL.

[Woods]

Exactly what I know about him. Mayock thinks it was just a 1 game breakdown.

Mayock said 1 play was a jump ball, another a trick play and another some interference that should have been called or something.

He says not to buy that game against Blackmon but Amukamara looked totally out classed and he'll see those types of WR's and situations all over the NFL.

Someone did post the video of Prince versus Blackmon in that game. One play was a trick play, in fact.

But what makes me nervous about Prince are the reports that he lacks that "second gear" when WRs tput a double move on him or get behind him. Other than that, he seems to be technically sound (from what I've read).

The problem is that in the NFL, and NFC East especially, with guys like Jackson, Maclin, etc. a CB does need that 2nd gear. Again, this is all from what I've been reading . . . . so take it with a big grain of salt.

[ThreeSportStar80]

The frog posing as a prince is overrated... I do not want him at 9. Give me either Von Miller or Robert Quinn.

[AKATheRake]

The frog posing as a prince is overrated... I do not want him at 9. Give me either Von Miller or Robert Quinn.

:lmao: I don't want an OLB with our first pick though. Lol!

[AKATheRake]

Someone did post the video of Prince versus Blackmon in that game. One play was a trick play, in fact.

But what makes me nervous about Prince are the reports that he lacks that "second gear" when WRs tput a double move on him or get behind him. Other than that, he seems to be technically sound (from what I've read).

The problem is that in the NFL, and NFC East especially, with guys like Jackson, Maclin, etc. a CB does need that 2nd gear. Again, this is all from what I've been reading . . . . so take it with a big grain of salt.


Nah, I'll take it very seriously and that's what I know of him also. I'm pretty sure I put the video up of him getting beat up on by Blackmon. Was a week or so ago.

He is technically sound but can't out jump or out run his competition. Think the guy would be a better safety et al.

[InmanRoshi]

I can take a guy who doesn't make any turnovers as a CB as long as he's shutting down his guy in man to man coverage. I'd like someone with a little better instincts for the ball than a safety.