Tar Heel Thread

[kTXe]

My boys are on an absolutely unreal run right now.

Just completed an epic comeback over Miami in the ACC quarterfinals. Down 19 with under 10 mins to play, only to win it at the buzzer.

After Kendall Marshall took over the starting PG spot, the Heels are 13-1 (the one loss at dook in Cameron after blowing a 14-point halftime lead). I don't think I have ever seen a freshman step in become the unquestioned leader on the team. His dish to Zeller today to win the game was incredible.

Barnes is now living up to his potential. Zeller is the steady force in the paint. Henson changes the game with his defensive presence. McDonald has found his shot once again.

Roy has these kids peaking at the absolute perfect time. Shoot, if they manage to win the ACC Tourney and beat dook in the championship game, I think they have a legitimate shot at a 1-seed. If you would have told me that after watching this team get drubbed by an awful Georgia Tech team, I would have slapped you.

I still think this team is a year away (If Barnes and Henson make the right decision to stick around, Knox is the only contributor that would be gone next year...that's scary), but I am loving the way they are playing right now.

[DFWJC]

Our Heels are rolling.

I think lack of experience will get them in the end, but it is hopefully going to be a great ride. If they somehow win the ACC tourney (today was not a good start, btw), they have ashot a a top seed. Who would have thunk it?

I saw some stat saying 34 of the lat 36 champs played in the tourney the year before...so I'm wary but looking forward to the Madness.

A.B.D., by the way

[kTXe]

Our Heels are rolling.

I think lack of experience will get them in the end, but it is hopefully going to be a great ride. If they somehow win the ACC tourney (today was not a good start, btw), they have ashot a a top seed. Who would have thunk it?

I saw some stat saying 34 of the lat 36 champs played in the tourney the year before...so I'm wary but looking forward to the Madness.

A.B.D., by the way
Yeah, I have no clue what this team will do in the tournament. It wouldn't surprise me if we failed to make the Sweet 16 or if we made a run all the way to Houston.

I still can't get over the game today. After those atrocious first 30 mins, we played arguably our best 10 mins of the season to close out the game. As young and inexperienced as this team is, there is absolutely no quit in them. It all goes back to Marshall. One of the most poised freshman PGs I have ever seen.

And as much as I would love the opportunity to beat dook again, go Terps tonight. ABD, indeed.

[tko112204]

I'm kind of agnostic when it comes to college sports. I tend to follow different teams depending on the story or the players.

I like UNC, I guess.

But ABD is my favorite team.

For sure.

[peplaw06]

Glad it looks like you guys managed to make the tournament this year.

[kTXe]

Glad it looks like you guys managed to make the tournament this year.
I'm just glad that Roy was able to stay healthy and persevere through such tough times last season. Poor Coach K's would've had to step away with that sensitive back of his.

See you on Sunday.

[peplaw06]

I'm just glad that Roy was able to stay healthy and persevere through such tough times last season. Poor Coach K's would've had to step away with that sensitive back of his.

See you on Sunday.Yeah Roy just decided to throw his team under the bus in the tough times. He is such an admirable character.

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[kTXe]

Yeah Roy just decided to throw his team under the bus in the tough times. He is such an admirable character.

*This message brought to you by the Haitian earthquake victims*
Yeah, Roy could probably learn a thing from K. It is always admirable how he sticks up for his dookie victims...like Gerald Henderson. I still can't believe how Hansbrough viciously attacked a defenseless dookie, smashing Gerald's elbow with his nose like that. Thank goodness K was there to have his player's back.

Then there was the time he backed William Avery's decision to go pro by cussing out his mom like she was a ref that didn't fall for one of Paulus's flops.

True class.

See you on Sunday.

[peplaw06]

Yeah, Roy could probably learn a thing from K. It is always admirable how he sticks up for his dookie victims...like Gerald Henderson. I still can't believe how Hansbrough viciously attacked a defenseless dookie, smashing Gerald's elbow with his nose like that. Thank goodness K was there to have his player's back.haha... classic Tar Heel whining.
Then there was the time he backed William Avery's decision to go pro by cussing out his mom like she was a ref that didn't fall for one of Paulus's flops.

True class.

See you on Sunday.
Considering William Avery's mom has denied this ever happened, I'd say you're talking out your ***.

GTHC.

[kTXe]

haha... classic Tar Heel whining.

Considering William Avery's mom has denied this ever happened, I'd say you're talking out your ***.

GTHC.

Ha. Of course you fall into the "Kirkpatrick made the whole thing up" camp. Typical.

Glad to hear Smith is likely gonna play today. Last thing you dookies need is another excuse.

Sunday.

[peplaw06]

Ha. Of course you fall into the "Kirkpatrick made the whole thing up" camp. Typical.And of course you think the guy has a shred of credibility. Typical.

Glad to hear Smith is likely gonna play today. Last thing you dookies need is another excuse.

Sunday.What's gonna be your excuse? The players are too young? I'm sure that's what you were thinking for 39 minutes and 59.9 seconds yesterday.

[kTXe]

And of course you think the guy has a shred of credibility. Typical.

What's gonna be your excuse? The players are too young? I'm sure that's what you were thinking for 39 minutes and 59.9 seconds yesterday.
I said I thought this team was too young in my very first post, before you dooked all over this thread.

Should be a good one today. No better way to end the ACC season.

[ajk23az]

I said I thought this team was too young in my very first post, before you dooked all over this thread.

Should be a good one today. No better way to end the ACC season.

:laugh2:

[DFWJC]

A little payback by Duke on the Heels today for sure.

It should be a fun NCAA tourney this year in any case.

I'd be very surprised if either team won it all, but as always, one or the other will cause at least some damage.

Let the MADNESS begin!

[peplaw06]

Ha. Of course you fall into the "Kirkpatrick made the whole thing up" camp. Typical.

Glad to hear Smith is likely gonna play today. Last thing you dookies need is another excuse.

Sunday.Careful what you wish for.

[peplaw06]

A little payback by Duke on the Heels today for sure.

It should be a fun NCAA tourney this year in any case.

I'd be very surprised if either team won it all, but as always, one or the other will cause at least some damage.

Let the MADNESS begin!If Kyrie comes back (like it looks like he will), and plays well, then I feel like Duke will be the favorite.

[DFWJC]

If Kyrie comes back (like it looks like he will), and plays well, then I feel like Duke will be the favorite.
Of course you do.:rolleyes:

lol
Seriously, Kyrie coud be a wild-card.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Not a great effort by the Heels today.

Dook always wants the ACC T more than any other school.

I just hate the charges Duke always gets, no way Strickland should have been called for a charge. As Gottlieb said, "is there a rule in the ACC than when a Dookie falls, its a charge?"

Curry's mom is hot

[peplaw06]

Not a great effort by the Heels today.

Dook always wants the ACC T more than any other school.

I just hate the charges Duke always gets, no way Strickland should have been called for a charge. As Gottlieb said, "is there a rule in the ACC than when a Dookie falls, its a charge?"

Curry's mom is hot

Duke got no more favorable calls today than the Tar Holes did. Zeller had two offensive basket interference calls that were no calls. One of them went for a three point play.

The difference in the game was defense. Duke played it. Singler shut Barnes down.

[peplaw06]

Of course you do.:rolleyes:

lol
Seriously, Kyrie coud be a wild-card.What do you mean by wild card?

[kTXe]

Wasn't the best performance today by the Heels, for sure. Once we got behind big early again, I didn't feel too good about our chances. We had expended too much energy overcoming deficits the last two days and dook is too good a team to spot 14 points.

I do think that both UNC and dook were stuck in the two toughest brackets, for sure. I hate the potential matchup with 'Cuse considering how the zone has killed us recently. And Texas as a 4? Yikes. I thought they had a legit claim as a 2.

The Southeast looks like a joke of a region.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Duke got no more favorable calls today than the Tar Holes did. Zeller had two offensive basket interference calls that were no calls. One of them went for a three point play.

The difference in the game was defense. Duke played it. Singler shut Barnes down.

Relax Pep.


Congratulations on the Duke win.

[DFWJC]

It's always fun to watch some of the NBA players that had good Final Four runs play in the games in and around both Selection Sunday and the actual Final Four.

Today, Tyler Hansborough outdueled a player much better than him in Pacer victory over the Knicks.

Hansborough: 29 points, 9 rebounds, team won
Stoudemire: 28 points, 6 rebounds, team lost

It happens every year.

[DFWJC]

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[DFWJC]

What do you mean by wild card?

You sound really defensive for no legit reason.
What the heck do you think I meant? Think....think again....I know you will figure it out.

If a player is out a long time he may not be on top of his game. It was a complement. If Kyrie is back to being Kyrie, Duke could be real trouble for the field. Calm down dude.

Just curious. You take this stuff pretty seriously.
Please tell me you did actually graduate from Duke. You did, right?

[peplaw06]

You sound really defensive for no legit reason.
What the heck do you think I meant? Think....think again....I know you will figure it out.Nothing defensive about it. It was just a question.

Didn't know whether you meant it as a positive or negative. I honestly don't see how anyone could think it would be a negative. If he's not on top of his game, K's not going to force it. And it sure would be a boost to the team's morale.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Didn't Zeller's basket interference occur when the game was pretty much over at least in terms of score. It certainly was not the same as the Strickland charge. The Heels started off 0-8 but would have cut it to 13-9. The charge left it at 13-7 and then Dook scored a few at the other end to blow it open.

Dook was the better team today, just like the Heels were a week ago Saturday. The first game was even for the most part.

The Dumlees and Kelly were the difference in that they basically could not miss a shot.

You expect Smith and hot Sonya's son to hit shots at a high percentage but not so much the others (yes I know Kelly had a high percentage at times).

Heels are down to 8 scholarship players after Drew II quit, Graves dismissed, Wears transferred and Bullock hurt. Did pretty well in my view.

[kTXe]

Elite 8 baybee!!

Where's dook? ;)

[ABQCOWBOY]

Glad it looks like you guys managed to make the tournament this year.

Really?

:)

[big dog cowboy]

Really?

:)
:muttley:

[DFWJC]

Go Heels

[Yeagermeister]

Go Tar Heels

[LatinMind]

go big blue!

[LatinMind]

whoever wins this game i think is the national champ

[ABQCOWBOY]

I actually wanted Ohio State in this game. Doesn't matter thou. Carolina and Kentucky played in early December last year. Heels won 75-73 in the Dean Center. See what happens.

[LatinMind]

the charge call in the ncaa is so horrible. guys just sit under the basket looking to take a charge. ncaa needs that circle space nba has

[LatinMind]

I actually wanted Ohio State in this game. Doesn't matter thou. Carolina and Kentucky played in early December last year. Heels won 75-73 in the Dean Center. See what happens.

ohio state got hosed. noway kentucky shouldve been a 4 seed

[LatinMind]

was not a foul

[LatinMind]

Harrellson has been stepping up big controlling the paint bigtime

[ABQCOWBOY]

was not a foul


I do agree that they need to have a circle under the basket but the way the rule is now, that last was a charge according to the rule.

[LatinMind]

I do agree that they need to have a circle under the basket but the way the rule is now, that last was a charge according to the rule.

oh yeah the was a charge i was talking about knights block.

[ABQCOWBOY]

oh yeah the was a charge i was talking about knights block.

I thought that was also a foul. He got some of the arm and the body I thought but it was a good foul I thought. You gotta do that if your Knight.

[LatinMind]

kentucky taking control

[ABQCOWBOY]

kentucky taking control

I wouldn't say that. They need to rebound defensively. Carolina is not hitting but they are getting offensive rebounds. Sooner or later, that's going to be a problem for Kentucky if they don't lock it down and rebound.

[LatinMind]

3 on henson. thats big

[ABQCOWBOY]

3 on henson. thats big

That is big but it looked like a walk to me before the foul.

[LatinMind]

man brandon knight is awsome. i hope he stays a couple yrs

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't think that was a charge on Barnes. I think the Kentucky player was moving his feet but doesn't matter now. Barnes with two.

[LatinMind]

whoa up 10

[LatinMind]

4 on henson!

[ABQCOWBOY]

I didn't see a foul on that play.

[LatinMind]

seems like when UNC looks to get close UK hits a big 3 everytime

[The Panch]

Barnes is bad.

[Yeagermeister]

man brandon knight is awsome. i hope he stays a couple yrs

Not a chance

[LatinMind]

omg everytime 3 for uk

[The Panch]

That was a pathetic possession.

[LatinMind]

very good game but i think liggins sealed it with the block

[ABQCOWBOY]

omg everytime 3 for uk

Yep. If not for Kentucky's 3s, they'd be way down right now. They are not missing.

[LatinMind]

liggins is a hero in kentucky

[ABQCOWBOY]

That was not a three and that was absolutely a foul on Barns on the three. No call and then Henson commits his 5th. Wow.

[LatinMind]

na na na na...hey hey heeeeeeeeeeeey gooooooooooooooooooooodbyeeeeeeee

[The Panch]

That was not a three and that was absolutely a foul on Barns on the three. No call and then Henson commits his 5th. Wow.
It was a 3 and it wasnt even close.

[LatinMind]

That was not a three and that was absolutely a foul on Barns on the three. No call and then Henson commits his 5th. Wow.

yes it was. they showed that side view where it showed clearly floor between the shoe and the line

[ABQCOWBOY]

It was a 3 and it wasnt even close.

It was very close and it did look like a two but for sure, Barnes was fouled. No question on that.

[ABQCOWBOY]

That's game. Kentucky moves on, Carolina goes home. Congratulations Kentucky.

[Dash28]

It was very close and it did look like a two but for sure, Barnes was fouled. No question on that.
Yeah, Barnes was fouled.

[ABQCOWBOY]

yes it was. they showed that side view where it showed clearly floor between the shoe and the line

But to say it wasn't even close? And Barnes was fouled on the three. That was a bad no call.

[peplaw06]

wooooooooooooo hooooooooooooooooo

I hate Calipari. But Carolina can go to hell! :D

[LatinMind]

I think if Liggins doesnt block that shot UK crumbles after losing the lead.

[ABQCOWBOY]

wooooooooooooo hooooooooooooooooo

I hate Calipari. But Carolina can go to hell! :D

Don't hate Pep. You went home first. It is what it is.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think if Liggins doesnt block that shot UK crumbles after losing the lead.

He played a great game. He was the MVP for sure for Kentucky in my mind.

[peplaw06]

Don't hate Pep. You went home first. It is what it is.Who cares? We beat you 2 of 3.

[Dash28]

Don't hate Pep. You went home first. It is what it is.
This.

[LatinMind]

He played a great game. He was the MVP for sure for Kentucky in my mind.

Yup 3 and block. Def the MVP

[ABQCOWBOY]

Who cares? We beat you 2 of 3.

That's true, you barely beat us in the 1st game and you beat us for the Tournament title and got beaten for the ACC regular season title.

And you went home first. Don't hate.

[peplaw06]

That's true, you barely beat us in the 1st game and you beat us for the Tournament title and got beaten for the ACC regular season title.

And you went home first. Don't hate.It doesn't matter who went home first... completely different opponents and brackets. You telling me that it's more impressive beating the Milwaukee Catholic School for the Blind's girls' team in the Elite 8 than losing to probably the first pick in the draft?

All I care about is if Duke can't win the title, Carolina doesn't. And that we had your number more than you had ours.

[ABQCOWBOY]

It doesn't matter who went home first... completely different opponents and brackets. You telling me that it's more impressive beating the Milwaukee Catholic School for the Blind's girls' team in the Elite 8 than losing to probably the first pick in the draft?

All I care about is if Duke can't win the title, Carolina doesn't. And that we had your number more than you had ours.

Whatever you say man. If it makes you feel better to cheer Carolina's defeat and Ignore Dukes, that's fine. That's on you.

[LatinMind]

Kentucky championships 7 :)

[ABQCOWBOY]

Kentucky championships 7 :)


May get another one this year.

[LatinMind]

May get another one this year.
Hope so its long overdue. Calipari is going to be a legend when his time is done in Kentucky. Probably will be more loved then Pitino. And Kentucky will pay whatever it takes to keep Calipari in Kentucky. I think they regretted letting Pitino leave

[ABQCOWBOY]

Hope so its long overdue. Calipari is going to be a legend when his time is done in Kentucky. Probably will be more loved then Pitino. And Kentucky will pay whatever it takes to keep Calipari in Kentucky. I think they regretted letting Pitino leave


I'll tell ya, I am disappointed that we lost to Kentucky today but considering how this season started for us, losing 7 players from last years team, I'm pretty proud of this team.

We have no Seniors on this team who play significant minutes and we only have one Junior, Zeller, in our starting 5. I think we'll be good again next year and have a pretty decent chance to compete for the ACC Championship and another run for the NCAAs. You never really know but I'm happy with what this team has accomplished. It was a fun team to watch. They have nothing to hang their heads about.

Good luck to Kentucky the rest of the way.

[BigWillie]

Hats off to Calipari on his FIRST Final Four appearance.

[LatinMind]

I'll tell ya, I am disappointed that we lost to Kentucky today but considering how this season started for us, losing 7 players from last years team, I'm pretty proud of this team.

We have no Seniors on this team who play significant minutes and we only have one Junior, Zeller, in our starting 5. I think we'll be good again next year and have a pretty decent chance to compete for the ACC Championship and another run for the NCAAs. You never really know but I'm happy with what this team has accomplished. It was a fun team to watch. They have nothing to hang their heads about.

Good luck to Kentucky the rest of the way.

lol imagine how Kentucky fans felt. losing the starting 5 from last yr

[ABQCOWBOY]

lol imagine how Kentucky fans felt. losing the starting 5 from last yr

Not all that bad I imagine. I know what kind of recruiting class Calipari had on the hook.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

so how long until this Final Four appearance by Calicheat is vacated?

[CanadianCowboysFan]

It was a 3 and it wasnt even close.

actually it was close

[peplaw06]

Whatever you say man. If it makes you feel better to cheer Carolina's defeat and Ignore Dukes, that's fine. That's on you.Who said I was ignoring anything? Don't get all sensitive on me now that your team lost. I took the bashing after Duke's loss here on the board, you can do the same.

[peplaw06]

so how long until this Final Four appearance by Calicheat is vacated?
I give it 6 weeks.

So we have on one side of the Final Four two mid majors. And on the other side we have two coaches who have been found to have broken the rules by the NCAA. Wonder who to root for.

I'm sure glad the NCAA knows when to come down hard on someone (Dez) and when not to. :rolleyes:

[peplaw06]

Where's dook? ;)Same place you are. At home.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I give it 6 weeks.

So we have on one side of the Final Four two mid majors. And on the other side we have two coaches who have been found to have broken the rules by the NCAA. Wonder who to root for.

I'm sure glad the NCAA knows when to come down hard on someone (Dez) and when not to. :rolleyes:

true.

at least Calhoun is still at the same school, Calicheat just leaves the schools holding the bag

[ABQCOWBOY]

Who said I was ignoring anything? Don't get all sensitive on me now that your team lost. I took the bashing after Duke's loss here on the board, you can do the same.

Sensitive huh. Yeah, that's me. Next thing you know, I'll be telling everybody how great Carolina is because they lost and there is a thread about them because they lost, confirming this fact.

Your story, you tell it.

:laugh2:

[peplaw06]

Sensitive huh. Yeah, that's me. Next thing you know, I'll be telling everybody how great Carolina is because they lost and there is a thread about them because they lost, confirming this fact.

Your story, you tell it.

:laugh2:
1) I never said that.

2) That's false.

:laugh2:

[Mountaineerfan]

I thought it was funny how someone on facebook said they would stay just like Andrew Luck to win a title next year. If Andrew Luck would have stayed in school for that 4th year of a communications degree at a STATE school I might understand the comparison.

[ABQCOWBOY]

1) I never said that.

2) That's false.

:laugh2:

Of course not and it's a good thing to because that would have been silly.

So as long as we're finally getting back to the truth, here it is.

Duke won 2, Carolina won 1. The first, Carolina barely lost, the second Carolina lost to Duke in the ACC tournament for the tournament title. Carolina beat Duke for the Regular Season ACC title and in the NCAA Tournament, Duke went home first.

Nothing about that is inaccurate. It is what it is.

[SkinsandTerps]

I wonder if my post will de-rail this thread anymore than it has already been.

Both losses made me happy. Since the Terps are so bad against teams they should beat.

[peplaw06]

Of course not and it's a good thing to because that would have been silly.Well you sure knocked that strawman down. Congratulations, I guess.

So as long as we're finally getting back to the truth, here it is.

Duke won 2, Carolina won 1. The first, Carolina barely lost, the second Carolina lost to Duke in the ACC tournament for the tournament title. Carolina beat Duke for the Regular Season ACC title and in the NCAA Tournament, Duke went home first.

Nothing about that is inaccurate. It is what it is.You can spin it however you want, but head-to-head, Duke won 2 of 3 this year.

And I still maintain you're being overly sensitive because I ribbed some of you a little for Carolina's loss. There was an entire thread devoted to Duke's losing, and everyone and their dog piled it on. I posted in that thread and took it.

Yet, when I returned the favor for all the Tar Heel fans in the PRO-HEEL THREAD, that was started back in the ACCT after they beat Duke the first time, I get a "Don't hate." Don't hate? That's a little hypocritical considering all the hate for Duke in the other thread. So yeah, stop being so sensitive.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Well you sure knocked that strawman down. Congratulations, I guess.

You can spin it however you want, but head-to-head, Duke won 2 of 3 this year.

And I still maintain you're being overly sensitive because I ribbed some of you a little for Carolina's loss. There was an entire thread devoted to Duke's losing, and everyone and their dog piled it on. I posted in that thread and took it.

Yet, when I returned the favor for all the Tar Heel fans in the PRO-HEEL THREAD, that was started back in the ACCT after they beat Duke the first time, I get a "Don't hate." Don't hate? That's a little hypocritical considering all the hate for Duke in the other thread. So yeah, stop being so sensitive.

If you want to call the truth "Spin", that is up to you. If you feel I'm being overly sensitive, that's also up to you. You are entitled to your own opinion.

I'm sorry you got ribbed. I understand that most Duke fans probably felt like they had a team good enough to possibly win it all this year. I don't know of any Carolina fans who felt like we were good enough to win it all this year. As I said earlier, I am very proud of this team and what they accomplished. If you want to say that I'm over sensitive, that's fine. I'm certain I can stand that bit of criticism.

[kTXe]

Same place you are. At home.
And after the way this season started for both of our teams, yours bought their plane tickets first. I'll take it. :thumbup:

Should be interesting to see how the decisions play out for UNC's big 3...wouldn't surprise me if they all left or if they all came back. Personally, I have no idea what Zeller would be doing if he went pro, but it seems a very real possibility.

If they all come back, watch out...

[Yeagermeister]

Hats off to Calipari on his FIRST Final Four appearance.

While it lasts :laugh2:

[big dog cowboy]

While it lasts :laugh2:
Hater.

:D

[ABQCOWBOY]

And after the way this season started for both of our teams, yours bought their plane tickets first. I'll take it. :thumbup:

Should be interesting to see how the decisions play out for UNC's big 3...wouldn't surprise me if they all left or if they all came back. Personally, I have no idea what Zeller would be doing if he went pro, but it seems a very real possibility.

If they all come back, watch out...

I don't see Marshall (Fr.), Henson (Soph.), Bullock (Fr.) or Barnes (Fr.) leaving next year. Marshall needs to develop more outside shooting, Henson is not physically developed enough for the NBA game yet IMO, Bullock is coming off a season ending injury which is a shame because he's the defensive stopper Carolina could have used in the tournament, Barnes is going to be an excellent player but he's too inconsistent at this point, IMO. The question would be Zeller and he's really only had one season where he's uninjured. He got just over 30 games under his belt. If he comes out now, I don't think he's a top 10 pick. If he plays another season uninjured and post numbers like he did this year, I think he is.

McDonald (Soph) and Strickland (Soph) will both be back with good experience, I don't know about Drew II. He will either come back and provide depth at PG or he will move on. In any case, we will have MaAdoo and P.J. Hairston coming in next year as Freshman so I think it could be a very good year for us next year. I guess we'll see what happens.

[kTXe]

I don't see Marshall (Fr.), Henson (Soph.), Bullock (Fr.) or Barnes (Fr.) leaving next year. Marshall needs to develop more outside shooting, Henson is not physically developed enough for the NBA game yet IMO, Bullock is coming off a season ending injury which is a shame because he's the defensive stopper Carolina could have used in the tournament, Barnes is going to be an excellent player but he's too inconsistent at this point, IMO. The question would be Zeller and he's really only had one season where he's uninjured. He got just over 30 games under his belt. If he comes out now, I don't think he's a top 10 pick. If he plays another season uninjured and post numbers like he did this year, I think he is.

McDonald (Soph) and Strickland (Soph) will both be back with good experience, I don't know about Drew II. He will either come back and provide depth at PG or he will move on. In any case, we will have MaAdoo and P.J. Hairston coming in next year as Freshman so I think it could be a very good year for us next year. I guess we'll see what happens.
Henson and Barnes are both projected as lottery picks, and most have Barnes in the top 5. Are they ready to play in the NBA? No, but NBA teams draft almost entirely on potential. It's hard for a kid to look that money in the face and decide to stick around. Zeller needs to bulk up and showcase his mid-range game a bit more to be considered a decent NBA prospect, IMO. He should definitely come back for another year.

Oh, and Drew II is gone forever.

[DFWJC]

I don't see Marshall (Fr.), Henson (Soph.), Bullock (Fr.) or Barnes (Fr.) leaving next year. Marshall needs to develop more outside shooting, Henson is not physically developed enough for the NBA game yet IMO, Bullock is coming off a season ending injury which is a shame because he's the defensive stopper Carolina could have used in the tournament, Barnes is going to be an excellent player but he's too inconsistent at this point, IMO. The question would be Zeller and he's really only had one season where he's uninjured. He got just over 30 games under his belt. If he comes out now, I don't think he's a top 10 pick. If he plays another season uninjured and post numbers like he did this year, I think he is.

McDonald (Soph) and Strickland (Soph) will both be back with good experience, I don't know about Drew II. He will either come back and provide depth at PG or he will move on. In any case, we will have MaAdoo and P.J. Hairston coming in next year as Freshman so I think it could be a very good year for us next year. I guess we'll see what happens.
Barnes is a very early lottery pick. I'd love to see him stick around, but it may not happen.
Many say Henson is a lotto pick too just based on his upside. I like his odds of staying though.
Marshalll is not going anywhere.


Anyway, nice run by UNC. They can hold their heads high as they turned things back around after a very down year last season.
Regular Season ACC Champs, ACC tourney runner-up, and Elite Eight is nothing to hang your head about.

For selfish reasons, I will be hoping Kentucky does not win the title. We've been trying to close the gap on total titles (They have 7 and we have 5) and that would set us back a bit :) I think they just took the lead for most NCCAA tourney games won.

[peplaw06]

If you want to call the truth "Spin", that is up to you. If you feel I'm being overly sensitive, that's also up to you. You are entitled to your own opinion.Spin by definition is truth. It's your particular way of looking at the truth. I say Duke won two of three head-to-head. You say, yeah but the first one was close, and we won the ACC regular season. That's spin.

And after the way this season started for both of our teams, yours bought their plane tickets first. I'll take it. :thumbup:Just like I'll take beating UNC more times head-to-head. In the end that's all that matters for me, because tournament draws are so unpredictable. And after Irving went down, no Duke fan was quite as confident as they were in the first 8 games.

Should be interesting to see how the decisions play out for UNC's big 3...wouldn't surprise me if they all left or if they all came back. Personally, I have no idea what Zeller would be doing if he went pro, but it seems a very real possibility.

If they all come back, watch out...You guys are hanging on Barnes' decision, just like we are Irving's. If one comes back and not the other, then whichever team keeps their guy will have a decided edge. If they both make the same decision, then we should be on a level playing field, depending on the incoming freshman classes.

I don't see Marshall (Fr.), Henson (Soph.), Bullock (Fr.) or Barnes (Fr.) leaving next year. Marshall needs to develop more outside shooting, Henson is not physically developed enough for the NBA game yet IMO, Bullock is coming off a season ending injury which is a shame because he's the defensive stopper Carolina could have used in the tournament, Barnes is going to be an excellent player but he's too inconsistent at this point, IMO. The question would be Zeller and he's really only had one season where he's uninjured. He got just over 30 games under his belt. If he comes out now, I don't think he's a top 10 pick. If he plays another season uninjured and post numbers like he did this year, I think he is.

McDonald (Soph) and Strickland (Soph) will both be back with good experience, I don't know about Drew II. He will either come back and provide depth at PG or he will move on. In any case, we will have MaAdoo and P.J. Hairston coming in next year as Freshman so I think it could be a very good year for us next year. I guess we'll see what happens.I haven't heard much about UNC's incoming class. Obviously I think Austin Rivers is going to be a star. What can you tell me about your guys?

Oh, and BTW, you probably shouldn't count on Drew too much :laugh2:

[ABQCOWBOY]

Spin by definition is truth. It's your particular way of looking at the truth. I say Duke won two of three head-to-head. You say, yeah but the first one was close, and we won the ACC regular season. That's spin.

Just like I'll take beating UNC more times head-to-head. In the end that's all that matters for me, because tournament draws are so unpredictable. And after Irving went down, no Duke fan was quite as confident as they were in the first 8 games.

You guys are hanging on Barnes' decision, just like we are Irving's. If one comes back and not the other, then whichever team keeps their guy will have a decided edge. If they both make the same decision, then we should be on a level playing field, depending on the incoming freshman classes.

I haven't heard much about UNC's incoming class. Obviously I think Austin Rivers is going to be a star. What can you tell me about your guys?

Oh, and BTW, you probably shouldn't count on Drew too much :laugh2:

Your story, you tell it.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Henson and Barnes are both projected as lottery picks, and most have Barnes in the top 5. Are they ready to play in the NBA? No, but NBA teams draft almost entirely on potential. It's hard for a kid to look that money in the face and decide to stick around. Zeller needs to bulk up and showcase his mid-range game a bit more to be considered a decent NBA prospect, IMO. He should definitely come back for another year.

Oh, and Drew II is gone forever.

I would agree that Drew is probably gone but I am not the one to make that decision. That's probably one that Roy Williams will make. I believe that if Drew came back and asked for a spot back, under the right conditions, Roy Williams would probably give him a spot but I don't know for sure and at this point, he's not a guy who I see in the plans.

On Barnes and Henson, I doubt either one of them are ready for the NBA. I know they are probably ranked high but I don't believe they will leave. I guess we'll see.

[DFWJC]

I haven't heard much about UNC's incoming class. Obviously I think Austin Rivers is going to be a star. What can you tell me about your guys?


Both PJ Hairson and James McAdoo are elite.

McAdoo is a very strong/athletic power forward and is the 5th rated overall player in the country.

Hairson is a classic shooting guard--a real marksman--whcih is what they really lacked this year. He is the 3rd rated shooting guard in the country.

Duke's class is deeper, as all 4 are good ones--with the top-rated SG Rivers being the head-liner.
UNC hardly has any upper classmen, so it is a small class (3 players).
Rating the 7 players, I say it would be Duke,UNC,UNC, Duke,Duke,Duke, UNC

[ABQCOWBOY]

Barnes is a very early lottery pick. I'd love to see him stick around, but it may not happen.
Many say Henson is a lotto pick too just based on his upside. I like his odds of staying though.
Marshalll is not going anywhere.


Anyway, nice run by UNC. They can hold their heads high as they turned things back around after a very down year last season.
Regular Season ACC Champs, ACC tourney runner-up, and Elite Eight is nothing to hang your head about.

For selfish reasons, I will be hoping Kentucky does not win the title. We've been trying to close the gap on total titles (They have 7 and we have 5) and that would set us back a bit :) I think they just took the lead for most NCCAA tourney games won.

That's tough. Three point shooting was the difference. In the first matchup, we had Bullock and I do believe he made a difference. 6-7 who can defend both low in the block and the perimeter. I would imagine that Kentucky would not have been able to shoot over the top so easily but who knows? It doesn't matter now. I congratulate Kentucky and wish them well. I hope we see them again next year.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Both PJ Hairson and James McAdoo are elite.

McAdoo is a very strong/athletic power forward and is the 5th rated overall player in the country.

Hairson is a classic shooting guard--a real marksman--whcih is what they really lacked this year. He is the 3rd rated shooting guard in the country.

Duke's class is deeper, as all 4 are good ones--with the top-rated SG Rivers being the head-liner.
UNC hardly has any upper classmen, so it is a small class (3 players).
Rating the 7 players, I say it would be :Duke,UNC,UNC, Duke,Duke,Duke, UNC

I think it depends on who leaves and who stays. If Carolina returns all their underclassman, then forget about it. It doesn't matter who Duke brings in. I'll also say right now that Duke will not be able to cover both Barnes and McAdoo. They are to big, too good, too strong off the bounce and they can both shoot the jumper. Duke is not bringing in anybody who can match up with either of those two players IMO. Nor do they have anybody on the squad returning who can match up. Maybe Josh Hairston, maybe, but if you play him, you give up offense and he's a terrible FT shooter. I think that's going to be a tough matchup for everybody with both those guys.


P.J. Hairston is a guy who's also going to be able to rebound and take the ball to the hole. He's a 6-5 230 lbs SG. He's going to physically impose his will on people at the 2 guard spot. It will be interesting to watch he and Rivers match up. Rivers is a 6-3 175 lb guard (at least, that's what he's listed at) who can handle the ball and shoot from all over. However, he is not a strong defensive player so I think you might end up giving something up for the offense he brings until he gets stronger.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Both PJ Hairson and James McAdoo are elite.

McAdoo is a very strong/athletic power forward and is the 5th rated overall player in the country.

Hairson is a classic shooting guard--a real marksman--whcih is what they really lacked this year. He is the 3rd rated shooting guard in the country.

Duke's class is deeper, as all 4 are good ones--with the top-rated SG Rivers being the head-liner.
UNC hardly has any upper classmen, so it is a small class (3 players).
Rating the 7 players, I say it would be Duke,UNC,UNC, Duke,Duke,Duke, UNC

If he's anything like his Dad, forgetaboutit.

[peplaw06]

I would agree that Drew is probably gone but I am not the one to make that decision. That's probably one that Roy Williams will make. I believe that if Drew came back and asked for a spot back, under the right conditions, Roy Williams would probably give him a spot but I don't know for sure and at this point, he's not a guy who I see in the plans.

On Barnes and Henson, I doubt either one of them are ready for the NBA. I know they are probably ranked high but I don't believe they will leave. I guess we'll see.Drew has already transferred.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Drew has already transferred.

I had not heard that. I had heard that his intention was to transfer but I had not heard that he had already filed the paperwork and had been accepted. Probably the best thing for him. I wish him luck.

[DFWJC]

I would agree that Drew is probably gone but I am not the one to make that decision. That's probably one that Roy Williams will make. I believe that if Drew came back and asked for a spot back, under the right conditions, Roy Williams would probably give him a spot but I don't know for sure and at this point, he's not a guy who I see in the plans.

On Barnes and Henson, I doubt either one of them are ready for the NBA. I know they are probably ranked high but I don't believe they will leave. I guess we'll see.
So far so good!

Both Henson and Zeller are staying.

Zeller was a first team Academic All-American, so obviously a UNC degree (always ranked in the top 4-5 public universities in the country academically) to go with an NBA career are goals for him. I'm told Henson is a solid student too.

Harrison Barnes is the one I thought would be most likely to leave. Hard to blame him if he can go in the top 5, but I sure would like to see him back.

In either case, adding McAdoo and PJ Hairston to all of the returnees bodes well for next year!

[DFWJC]

Kyrie Irving is delcaring. hehe

I guess I shouldn't say too much as I suspect Barnes will go to. Both are lotto players.

[tko112204]

Lots of people saying Barnes is going to stay. That would be a strong team next year.

This draft just keeps getting worse and worse.

Perry Jones, Jared Sullinger, Barnes, Zeller, Henson all staying.

That's 4 lottery picks and probably 3 of the top 6. This draft was already gonna be weak, if Barnes stays it's just pathetic.

[kTXe]

And it is official...Barnes is back. Next season can't get here soon enough.

[DFWJC]

And it is official...Barnes is back. Next season can't get here soon enough.
:dance3:
Wahoooo
Go Heels

[ABQCOWBOY]

Per ESPN:

North Carolina's big three will be coming back as a complete set, with freshman forward Harrison Barnes announcing Monday he would also return.


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6381288

[DFWJC]

Per ESPN:

North Carolina's big three will be coming back as a complete set, with freshman forward Harrison Barnes announcing Monday he would also return.


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6381288

I'm psyched!

But Williams is going to have a real balancing act coming up.

The guys are really going to have to put their egos aside.

I recall when UNC won the title in '93. The next year they had a bunch of guys returning but also had freshman Stackhouse and Wallace coming in. It was a problem figuring out playing time and they underachieved.

[kTXe]

Knight, Jones, and Liggins from Kentucky are all entering the draft. UK is our biggest competition next year, IMO, so this is huge. The stars are aligning...