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BrAinPaiNt

03-29-2011, 11:44 AM

The only Two that stands out to me was the Andre the Giant who was really in bad shape at the time getting body slammed by Hogan. Never was a hogan fan but that was a huge match at the time.

The one I liked the most, that I remember, was Mick Foley vs the Undertaker when foley got slammed from the top of the cage and crashed into the table in the ring and I think during that match he broke his tooth and it came out of his nose or it broke through the skin just under his nose.

BraveHeartFan

03-29-2011, 06:10 PM

1. Shawn Michaels vs. Bret Hart Iron Man Match from WM 12.
2. Shawn Michaels vs. Taker WM 25
3. HHH vs. The Rock Ladder Match from Summer Slam in 1998
4. Hogan vs. The Rock WM 18 (Not necassarily for wrestling, cause it obviously wasn't a clinic, but because of how Iconic it was.)
5. Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Jericho WM 19

jimmy40

03-29-2011, 06:18 PM

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Hostile

03-29-2011, 07:17 PM

MichaelWinicki

03-29-2011, 07:43 PM

2. Any match between Bruiser Brody and Abdullah the Butcher.

Oh boy that's the one right there.

I watched a bunch of Ric Flair matches over the years while he while in the NWA/WCW that were truly epic... vs Ricky Steamboat, Ronnie Garvin, Barry Windham... Matches that lasted 30-40 minutes, sometimes an hour. You don't see matches last like that anymore. Guys get too tired out with all these high-risk maneuvers and such.

The one match that I haven't watched but plan to is the one hour classic between Ric Flair and Bruiser Brody in the Checkerdome, Feb 11th, 1983. In his book, Flair said this is the match that moved his career forward.

Yakuza Rich

03-29-2011, 08:17 PM

Toshiaki Kawada vs. Mitsuharu Misawa 6.3.94 - The two greats in the middle of their primes going at it in an epic battle. Wrestling as art...and Misawa getting kicked so hard he bleeds from the ear.

Jumbo Tsuruta vs. Mitsuharu Misawa 6.8.90 - Classic 'old guard vs. new lion' match that is so prevalent in Japan. But this was best ever done in my opinion. Special when nobody expects the young lion to win, but they want him to win and he does.

Dean Malenko vs. Eddy Guerrero 2/3 falls ECW 8.27.95 match - Farewell match between the two at the ECW Arena. A tough crowd who watched fantastic mat wrestling and was left in tears afterward.

Ric Flair vs. Ricky Steamboat Chi-Town Rumble '89 - The ultimate face vs. a wrestling icon, both great wrestlers in the same ring. Freaking awesome match. Flair at his best.

War Games '92 - Can't remember all of the participants. This was just wild, awesome. You miss stuff like this. Now they do Hell in the Cell or a bunch of the same ladder spots and you see it so much it gets bland.

YR

Hostile

03-29-2011, 08:35 PM

Oh boy that's the one right there.

I watched a bunch of Ric Flair matches over the years while he while in the NWA/WCW that were truly epic... vs Ricky Steamboat, Ronnie Garvin, Barry Windham... Matches that lasted 30-40 minutes, sometimes an hour. You don't see matches last like that anymore. Guys get too tired out with all these high-risk maneuvers and such.

The one match that I haven't watched but plan to is the one hour classic between Ric Flair and Bruiser Brody in the Checkerdome, Feb 11th, 1983. In his book, Flair said this is the match that moved his career forward.Part 1.

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Achilleslastand

03-29-2011, 08:46 PM

I think most would be in agreement that Vince M. had a huge part in ruining wrestling.

DallasGirl50

03-29-2011, 08:48 PM

I think most would be in agreement that Vince M. had a huge part in ruining wrestling.

I don't think that at all.

DallasGirl50

03-29-2011, 08:54 PM

1. Any match between the Fabulous Freebirds and the Von Erichs.

2. Any match between Bruiser Brody and Abdullah the Butcher.

3. Undertaker vs. Mankind at Wrestlemania where he threw Foley through the cage.

4. Macho Man Randy Savage vs. Ricky Steamboat at Wresltemania 3 I think.

5. The very first ladder match between Razor Ramon and Shawn Michaels.

1. Great choice..classic stuff right there. Michael Hayes was a trip...

2.I don't recollect their matches..but Abdullah is going into the WWE HOF this wkend.

3. I don't think that was a WM match...could be entirely wrong about that but it was a PPV match. Mick has said that's his favorite match even though he almost got killed. That dude is certifiable when it comes to some of his matches.

4. 2 great wrestlers.

5. Missed that one but Scott Hall is a screwed up mess now and has been for years. He use to be all that....

zrinkill

03-29-2011, 08:58 PM

1. Bret Hart vs. Steve Austin Wrestlemania 13
2. HBK vs Undertaker Hell In A Cell, Wrestlemania 25 and 26
3. The Undertaker VS Mankind In Hell In a Cell
4. The Outsiders vs. The Steiners nWo Souled Out '97
5. HBK vs Vader - SummerSlam 1996

Honorable Mention

Rock vs Hogan
Shawn Michaels vs. Kurt Angle WrestleMania 21
Brock Lesnar vs Eddie Guerrero No Way Out 2004

zrinkill

03-29-2011, 08:59 PM

I think most would be in agreement that Vince M. had a huge part in ruining wrestling.

Not at all ...... he made wrestling.

Achilleslastand

03-29-2011, 09:00 PM

I don't think that at all.

I liked wrestling a whole lot better when it was broken up into territories. The old days of nwa, mid-south and georgia championship wrestling will never be eclipsed by vince and his million dollar bankroll.

DallasGirl50

03-29-2011, 09:57 PM

I liked wrestling a whole lot better when it was broken up into territories. The old days of nwa, mid-south and georgia championship wrestling will never be eclipsed by vince and his million dollar bankroll.

I remember all that but life goes on and things change. The big stars make huge money nowadays as they should although things could always be better. Vince changed with the times. You can't stay in the little dinky auditoriums and expect the "sport" to grow.

There would be no Rock if it wasn't for Vince...Austin was floundering as one of the "Hollywood Blondes" and Vince made him Stone Cold...Taker has stayed there for what 20 years and his gimmick still works all these years later.

WWE is far from perfect..some of that stuff is silly. No argument from me on that. But Vince is inventive and creative. I think if anything Vince McMahon is responsible for the massive growth of wrestling over the years.

CATCH17

03-30-2011, 01:37 PM

Wrestling has invaded and taken over the Sports Zone. Let's keep it going.

5 favorite wrestling matches?

1. Shawn Michaels v. Chris Jericho, WM 19.
2. Shawn Michaels v. Kurt Angle, WM 21.
3. Shawn Michaels v. Undertaker, WM 25 & WM 26 (its a package deal, !!).
4. Kurt Angle v. Brock Lesnar, WM 19.
5. AJ Styles vs. Samoa Joe vs. The Fallen Angel Christopher Daniels, TNA Unbreakable 2005.

Wow the Ironman Match doesn't crack your top 5?

zrinkill

03-30-2011, 01:41 PM

Wow the Ironman Match doesn't crack your top 5?

He was only 2 or 3.

Yakuza Rich

03-30-2011, 02:44 PM

1. Any match between the Fabulous Freebirds and the Von Erichs.

Michael Hayes was vastly underrated. He was capable in the ring. More entertaining than technical and athletic. But that's often all you really need. He was phenomenal on the mic. One of the few guys that loved being the face or the heel. Didn't really matter to him. And he was so good at both characters. I really dug him as a face though, probably much more than the average fan. Most people don't know this, but for a time in World Class his theme song was a Willie Nelson song. Can't remember the name of the song, but it was completely bad.***. Terry Gordy was a really good athlete for his time. Guys his size didn't move around that well. I thought he was a little overrated in the ring. Probably wouldn't get pushed today because he didn't have a six pack, but entertaining nonetheless. The other Freebirds (Garvins) were just 3rd wheels.

I really dug the heels in World Class. Didn't really like the Von Erichs although Kerry had some appeal to me. The iron claw drove me nuts. But the crowds love the Von Erichs, so even though I was a fan of the heels who usually lost, it was still great to watch. Personally, I'd put in the von erichs vs. gino and tully as well.

2. Any match between Bruiser Brody and Abdullah the Butcher.

Not an Abby fan. Brody was great because he actually made it look like he was trying to annhilate somebody.

3. Undertaker vs. Mankind at Wrestlemania where he threw Foley through the cage.

Really a spectacle. I prefer Foley/Maxx Payne vs. the Nasty Boys in a street fight. This was marketed far better although they kinda gave up on it afterward until Socko came out. Crazy that they actually planned the first bump outside onto the table because it looked so unnatural and then didn't plan the second one where the cage broke.

4. Macho Man Randy Savage vs. Ricky Steamboat at Wresltemania 3 I think.

Yes, and excellent too.

5. The very first ladder match between Razor Ramon and Shawn Michaels.

That's another one I forgot. Scott Hall was really good in the ring when he wasn't drunk or high. Kinda strange career. He had everything you would want in a wrestler and for years didn't do anything. Then he gets the big break out of nowhere from the WWE and gets mega-over. Then he winds up doing everything he can to throw it away.

YR

BraveHeartFan

03-30-2011, 05:20 PM

The first Hell in A Cell between Taker and HBK was also amazing. I'll never forget the way Shawn bled in that match. Amazing match up.

HiAC with Taker and Foley was just unbelievable cause of what Foley allowed to be done to him and kept going. Having the top of the cage unexpectedly break, and him fall to the mat, was just one of those things that turned what would have been a great match up into an all time classic. It definately wasn't at Wrestlemania though. It was at another one...later in the year. Can't recall exactly now but I am certain it's the match that put Foley on the track to being WWE champion.

Ladder match between HBK and Razor Ramon was just phenomenal. The best piece of work Scott Hall ever did, easily. That's the kind of greatness HBK can, did, and would continue to bring out of people if he was still wrestling. He was so great he forced them to bring their A games. Amazing.

Hos the Freebirds were the stuff man. Great call there. They were amazing. Michael Hayes is still one of the most under-rated superstars ever. Loved that team.

Macho Man vs. Steamboat from WM 3 is one of the best matches I ever saw for sure. It's sad that's its often over looked, or forgotten, on that card because of the huge wrestling moment that was Hogan slamming Andre.

Hostile

03-30-2011, 05:56 PM

Most people don't know this, but for a time in World Class his theme song was a Willie Nelson song. Can't remember the name of the song, but it was completely bad.***.I remember the Lynyrd Skynyrd "Free Bird" entrance music. I remember them coming in to "Bad Street USA" that he actually sang.

I don't remember a Willie song though.

Hostile

03-30-2011, 05:59 PM

Hos the Freebirds were the stuff man. Great call there. They were amazing. Michael Hayes is still one of the most under-rated superstars ever. Loved that team. Terry Gordy tagged with Dr. Death Steve Williams after leaving the Freebirds and they were absolutely devastating when they turned it on. But I never felt he was as good as when they were the Freebirds coming from nowhere and wreaking havoc then looking so cool as they primped to the crowd.

Here's another blast from the past wrestler that I really liked. Tommy "Wildfire" Rich.

DallasGirl50

03-30-2011, 06:06 PM

The fans HATED the Freebirds and loved the Von Erichs...that's what made their feuds so great. One team was so undeniably over and the other team probably needed security to get out of the parking lot after the gig was over.

Great stuff.

Yakuza Rich

03-30-2011, 07:17 PM

I remember the Lynyrd Skynyrd "Free Bird" entrance music. I remember them coming in to "Bad Street USA" that he actually sang.

I don't remember a Willie song though.

Freebird was there usual song until Bad Street came along. But they did play Willie music. I saw it again a little while ago. I *think* it was on a documentary on World Class, which was excellent. I'll look around to see if I can find it. I know they played it in a match vs. the Von Erichs. I just remember that because it was a huge match and I'm not a huge Willie fan, but I thought that was the greatest theme music to come out to wtih such a hostile crowd.

YR

Yakuza Rich

03-30-2011, 07:24 PM

I knew I wasn't completely crazy, Willie Nelson entrance song here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1ldJ17-6Vw&feature=related

YR

Hostile

03-30-2011, 07:31 PM

I knew I wasn't completely crazy, Willie Nelson entrance song here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1ldJ17-6Vw&feature=related

YRHoly cow, I remember that.

Here's a question for old time wrestling fans. Who was the Mexican wrestler who used to throw miniature sombreros to the fans?

Romo 2 Austin

03-30-2011, 08:10 PM

Wow the Ironman Match doesn't crack your top 5?

I've seen it, it probably would've seemed more special had I seen it live on ppv

DallasGirl50

03-30-2011, 08:32 PM

Holy cow, I remember that.

Here's a question for old time wrestling fans. Who was the Mexican wrestler who used to throw miniature sombreros to the fans?

I will guess Jose Lothario (poor guess I know!)

Wrestling trivia since you dig that....the first time Kurt Angle wrestled Taker he missed a spot and Taker really hit him (HARD!) and knocked out Kurt's front teeth. Kurt said Taker intimidated the hell out of him but they became good friends and Taker has said before that Kurt was the best wrestler out there....

Hostile

03-30-2011, 08:57 PM

I will guess Jose Lothario (poor guess I know!)

Wrestling trivia since you dig that....the first time Kurt Angle wrestled Taker he missed a spot and Taker really hit him (HARD!) and knocked out Kurt's front teeth. Kurt said Taker intimidated the hell out of him but they became good friends and Taker has said before that Kurt was the best wrestler out there....Nope. I cannot remember his name and I used to love the guy.

I remember the Fargo brothers, Johnny and Don. Johnny Fargo was later best known as Greg "The Hammer" Valentine. I have no idea who Don Fargo was though.

I remember Dory Funk Sr. and all those guys as a kid.

MichaelWinicki

03-30-2011, 09:00 PM

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What a great match!

Flair's ability to put guys over was just amazing.

Not that Brody needed a lot of help... He was just an offensive machine. And a terrific wrestler. I cringe when I think of what ability Hulk Hogan showed vs someone like Brody.

Romo 2 Austin

03-30-2011, 09:12 PM

What a great match!

Flair's ability to put guys over was just amazing.

Not that Brody needed a lot of help... He was just an offensive machine. And a terrific wrestler. I cringe when I think of what ability Hulk Hogan showed vs someone like Brody.
I don't get the fully get the Hogan hate, wasn't he the first person to reach 200 make a wish's granted.

CATCH17

03-30-2011, 09:13 PM

I've seen it, it probably would've seemed more special had I seen it live on ppv

Dude I didn't see it live.

I listened to it scrambled on my TV lol. It was great too. Just like listening to it on the radio.

The build up for that fight was incredible and those 2 guys were like Rockstars on top of that.

I was so bummed when the match ended and Bret had him in the sharpshooter.

I thought he had no chance in OT.

And then!

HBK hit him with sweet chin music twice! 1 2 3 sir.

Yakuza Rich

03-30-2011, 09:22 PM

DallasGirl50

03-30-2011, 09:37 PM

I don't get the fully get the Hogan hate, wasn't he the first person to reach 200 make a wish's granted.

I don't hate Hogan but let's face it..he was crap as a wrestler. He had a great gimmick though.

Hostile

03-30-2011, 09:48 PM

What a great match!

Flair's ability to put guys over was just amazing.

Not that Brody needed a lot of help... He was just an offensive machine. And a terrific wrestler. I cringe when I think of what ability Hulk Hogan showed vs someone like Brody.It is one of the all time classics for sure.

Hogan drove me nuts. Still does.

Hostile

03-30-2011, 10:27 PM

Here's a question for old time wrestling fans. Who was the Mexican wrestler who used to throw miniature sombreros to the fans?I finally found it.

Ricky Romero.

He was the first wrestler I ever was a fan of. Sad to find out he passed away in 2006.

Never knew he was the father of the Youngbloods (Jay, Mark, and Chris).

MichaelWinicki

03-31-2011, 06:47 AM

I don't get the fully get the Hogan hate, wasn't he the first person to reach 200 make a wish's granted.

I don't hate the person. He's a good guy.

I just have little appreciation for what he did in the ring.

Like what was said by another, he had a good gimmick.

Aikmaniac

03-31-2011, 08:12 AM

I don't hate the person. He's a good guy.

I just have little appreciation for what he did in the ring.

Like what was said by another, he had a good gimmick.

He was entertaining. The crowd loved/loves the guy.

It's just like The Rock. Is he the best "talent" in the ring? Definitely not...

But he is the Most Electrifying Man in Sports Entertainment. ;)

MichaelWinicki

03-31-2011, 08:28 AM

Another comment on the Flair/Brody match...

Classic venue with the dimmed lighting and the smoke filled arena. Classic.

Romo 2 Austin

03-31-2011, 08:38 AM

I don't hate Hogan but let's face it..he was crap as a wrestler. He had a great gimmick though.

Its the same as the rock or John cena, ultra-charismatic, great gimmick and great look.

MichaelWinicki

03-31-2011, 08:54 AM

He was entertaining. The crowd loved/loves the guy.

He's very electrifying.

Just a lousy wrestler.

He couldn't carry Bruno's or Backlund's jock into the ring.

Yakuza Rich

03-31-2011, 09:00 AM

Problem with Hogan is he wouldn't put other guys over unless he absolutely had to. And by '93 he had nothing really left as an in-ring performer and his gimmick had gotten sale anyway. But, promoters still wanted him and he still got his way on everything. After the initial shock of him going to WCW wore off, WCW PPV buyrates were mediocre and for the amount they were paying for him, it was really a loss financially. Then the nWo came along and after the initial shock of Hogan turning heel went away, the WCW buyrates were actually lower than ECW's.

The Rock is a far better in-ring performer. Much more athletic and does a far better job of putting guys over. There was a good stretch where the Rock put other wrestlers over, feud after feud. And it was brilliant because the Rock would still be popular, now they just got the wrestler who beat him over.

That to me is really the reason why the WWE took over WCW. The WWE got themselves with top echelon talent that included Austin, The Rock and Foley. All three were extremely entertaining and all three would put guys over. Shawn Michaels was on hiatus (and did put Austin over at WrestleMania).

Guys with huge egos and 'creative control' and wouldn't put guys over unless they ok'd it....Nash, Hall, Hogan, Savage and even Bret Hart...were all now in WCW and were WCW's problem.

Foley would've put over a broomstick if asked to do so. Same with the Rock. Austin was a little more apprehensive, but usually had good reasons and was really good at coming up with something to replace what he felt was a bad idea.

The problem with Hogan for me, even when there was a somewhat exciting or interesting storyline....like him vs. Goldberg....or him coming back to the WWE.....was that in the ring, when we were supposed to see the big payoff...you knew it was going to suck because he was so limited physically. And to make it worse, they still had to make Hogan look superhuman. So his opponent would look like crap in the process :banghead:

I don't watch much wrestling anymore and I find John Cena to be corny. But at least he's willing to put guys over, he is pretty athletic and there's a decent chance that the payoff will be pretty good.

YR

AmarilloCowboyFan

03-31-2011, 09:11 AM

I always thought it was crazy that so many of those guys went to the same university, West Texas State:

Bruiser Brody
Dusty Rhodes
Tully Blanchard
Dory Funk, Jr.
Terry Funk
Tully Blanchard
Manny Fernandez
Ted Dibiase
Stan Hansen
Tito Santana
Blackjack Mulligan
Dick Murdoch
YR

I finally found it.

Ricky Romero.

He was the first wrestler I ever was a fan of. Sad to find out he passed away in 2006.

Never knew he was the father of the Youngbloods (Jay, Mark, and Chris).

Ya, a lot of those guys are from around here. I haven't been out lately but I used see Mark and Chris Romero out and about all the time. Dibiase Jr. was around for a while too.

There are several MMA fighters from around here as well. Paul Buentello, Evan Tanner, Heath Herring

CATCH17

03-31-2011, 09:36 AM

DallasGirl50

03-31-2011, 09:54 AM

Its the same as the rock or John cena, ultra-charismatic, great gimmick and great look.

Rock has more going for him than Hogan and Cena combined. Neither one of them come close to him charisma wise.

DallasGirl50

03-31-2011, 09:57 AM

I finally found it.

Ricky Romero.

He was the first wrestler I ever was a fan of. Sad to find out he passed away in 2006.

Never knew he was the father of the Youngbloods (Jay, Mark, and Chris).

Youngbloods rings a bell..but I draw a blank at Ricky Romero. Can't remember him.

DallasGirl50

03-31-2011, 10:03 AM

Hostile

03-31-2011, 10:07 AM

Hogan thinks he's a great wrestler...but really what did he do? Leg drop was about it..body slam. To me in the ring he was really limited but he did draw people in to watch and that was his job so he did what he was paid to do.

As great as Shawn was in the ring for the majority of fans he'll always be best known for screwing Bret Hart....there was a very good documentary out about Bret some years ago and it went thru that whole situation..Shawn flat out lied to Bret when confronted in the locker room..then Bret went and decked Vince. I wondered for years if that was all a shoot.Every Hogan match was exactly the same match.

The other guy is beating him senseless.

He starts to stomp around getting Hulked up. The other guy is now scared.

Enough is enough. Finger wave. Punch, block return punch, punch again.

Whip into the ropes, big kick.

Leg drop.

Pose and flex.

If you saw one Hogan match you have basically seen every match he ever was in.

DallasGirl50

03-31-2011, 10:11 AM

Every Hogan match was exactly the same match.

The other guy is beating him senseless.

He starts to stomp around getting Hulked up. The other guy is now scared.

Enough is enough. Finger wave. Punch, block return punch, punch again.

Leg drop.

Pose and flex.

If you saw one Hogan match you have basically seen every match he ever was in.

Yep that's about it. He's got to be one of the most famous wrestlers ever but yet he really had no game. I can't watch him on anything. He bores me to tears and always has.

MichaelWinicki

03-31-2011, 10:16 AM

The problem with Hogan for me, even when there was a somewhat exciting or interesting storyline....like him vs. Goldberg....or him coming back to the WWE.....was that in the ring, when we were supposed to see the big payoff...you knew it was going to suck because he was so limited physically. And to make it worse, they still had to make Hogan look superhuman. So his opponent would look like crap in the process :banghead:

YR

Great analysis YR.

That's a "Hogan match"

One poor performing wrestler matched up with a guy who has to perform even worse in order to make the other guy look good.

CATCH17

03-31-2011, 10:16 AM

Hogan thinks he's a great wrestler...but really what did he do? Leg drop was about it..body slam. To me in the ring he was really limited but he did draw people in to watch and that was his job so he did what he was paid to do.

As great as Shawn was in the ring for the majority of fans he'll always be best known for screwing Bret Hart....there was a very good documentary out about Bret some years ago and it went thru that whole situation..Shawn flat out lied to Bret when confronted in the locker room..then Bret went and decked Vince. I wondered for years if that was all a shoot.

Vince did the right thing imo.

Bret should've conceded the title. There is no way on earth Vince should've let him keep the title and then go to WCW the following Night/week.

Vince did the right thing and he couldn't have put the belt on a better Wrestler :).

Peaced out Bret via Sharpshooter lol.

MichaelWinicki

03-31-2011, 10:22 AM

Yakuza Rich

03-31-2011, 10:24 AM

I watched Wrestling to be entertained and Hogan did just that.

He got me fired up one way or the other.

Is he the best in ring ever? Not even close. But 90% of that job is to cause a stir and he did just that.

But the reason I think HBK is the best ever is because he was the total package. He was amazing as an entertainer and even more amazing in the ring.

I'm just giving you my perspective as to why I didn't like Hogan. And in his career, he wasn't well liked by most wrestlers because he usually acted like a jerk and a prima donna. In WCW, he had his own locker room.

HBK was/is a great wrestler. I found him on the mic to run off and on. He could be really great sometimes and sometimes be really bad. Another guy that was hated by other wrestlers because he acted like a jerk outside of the ring.

For me, I think Austin is the best ever. He took a company that was getting beat in the ratings and turned it around and made it a blow out for the WWE. Hogan had great heels to work with that drew everywhere. Iron Shiek was a great draw throughout his career, so was Roddy Piper, then Andre the Giant. Then he got Savage who was pretty early on into his career, but everybody saw as incredibly talented.

Austin never really had that until The Rock came around. He was good in the ring, came up with the entire Stone Cold persona by himself.

YR

Yakuza Rich

03-31-2011, 10:28 AM

Guys like Flair, Dory Funk Jr, Jack Brisco, Harley Race, Bruno, Backlund, Nick Bockwinkel.

Those guys were all good wrestling champions, with the emphasis on wrestling.

Hogan lowered the bar... A lot.

Ultimate Warrior... Amazingly he was even worse.

I still love watching old Harley Race matches. When you watch them, he's not really doing a lot, but he does it so well it just looks devastating. I was watching a squash match the other day and he probably hit all of 2 moves, then drops a knee that looks like he caved the guy's head in and then hits a fisherman suplex for the win. Really cool stuff.

I'm a huge Bockwinkle fan. I think his promos are about as good as it gets.

YR

Yakuza Rich

03-31-2011, 10:33 AM

Vince did the right thing imo.

Bret should've conceded the title. There is no way on earth Vince should've let him keep the title and then go to WCW the following Night/week.

Vince did the right thing and he couldn't have put the belt on a better Wrestler :).

Peaced out Bret via Sharpshooter lol.

Vince also promised him a 25 year contract...then backed out of the deal.

IMO, Vince did the right thing because it got people talking more about the WWE in the end. WCW tried to use it to point out that the WWE was a sham, but it just brought attention to the WWE.

The WWE had the rising Steve Austin and this is really where Shawn Michaels did his best work, getting the Montreal incident over and then transtioning it to a feud with him and Austin.

Strategically, Vince did the right thing. Morally and ethically he didn't. But that's nothing new for Vince.

YR

DallasGirl50

03-31-2011, 10:35 AM

Vince did the right thing imo.

Bret should've conceded the title. There is no way on earth Vince should've let him keep the title and then go to WCW the following Night/week.

Vince did the right thing and he couldn't have put the belt on a better Wrestler :).

Peaced out Bret via Sharpshooter lol.

I don't agree..with all Bret and the Hart family did for WWE you don't treat him like that...there are TONS of wrestlers trained by Bret's old man and Bret was making Vince tons of money.

It's about respect. I am glad Bret decked him and Shawn lied about his involvement. One of the reasons he was so disliked by all his peers.

Hostile

03-31-2011, 10:35 AM

I think a very under rated heel was Larry Zbysko. He had a great arrogance about him that I thought worked.

DallasGirl50

03-31-2011, 10:39 AM

Guys like Flair, Dory Funk Jr, Jack Brisco, Harley Race, Bruno, Backlund, Nick Bockwinkel.

Those guys were all good wrestling champions, with the emphasis on wrestling.

Hogan lowered the bar... A lot.

Ultimate Warrior... Amazingly he was even worse.

Ultimate Warrior use to wrestle in Houston..I saw him alot there. He was all bulked up there same as in WWF...for a long time he didn't do the interview stuff because he sounded so stupid. I can't remember his "manager" now...a heel Mexican guy who was really popular at the time but I can't remember his name...he did all the talking.

DallasGirl50

03-31-2011, 10:40 AM

I think a very under rated heel was Larry Zbysko. He had a great arrogance about him that I thought worked.

Agree..he was very good and actually was a good commentator as well.

zrinkill

03-31-2011, 10:46 AM

I cannot believe anyone still thinks the "Montreal screw job" was real.

Best work in Wrestling ever.

CATCH17

03-31-2011, 10:46 AM

I don't agree..with all Bret and the Hart family did for WWE you don't treat him like that...there are TONS of wrestlers trained by Bret's old man and Bret was making Vince tons of money.

It's about respect. I am glad Bret decked him and Shawn lied about his involvement. One of the reasons he was so disliked by all his peers.

I disagree.

If Bret knew he was leaving the company he shouldn't have it his way and be able to leave as wwe champ.

Plus Vince was scared he would show up with the belt on WCW.

AmarilloCowboyFan

03-31-2011, 10:51 AM

Best Wrestling match EVER!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsZpdUUdd3I

Romo 2 Austin

03-31-2011, 11:10 AM

Rock has more going for him than Hogan and Cena combined. Neither one of them come close to him charisma wise.

Thats not entirely true.

zrinkill

03-31-2011, 11:12 AM

Thats not entirely true.

I agree with R2A in this ..... In my opinion Cena made Rock look lame Monday night.

MichaelWinicki

03-31-2011, 11:15 AM

I still love watching old Harley Race matches. When you watch them, he's not really doing a lot, but he does it so well it just looks devastating. I was watching a squash match the other day and he probably hit all of 2 moves, then drops a knee that looks like he caved the guy's head in and then hits a fisherman suplex for the win. Really cool stuff.

I'm a huge Bockwinkle fan. I think his promos are about as good as it gets.

YR

LOL at the comment about Harley Race!

You're absolutely right. He did things so effortlessly and so technically sound.

I didn't get to see Bockwinkle much, but he was certainly one of the best ever.

DallasGirl50

03-31-2011, 11:15 AM

Well we all have opinions..to me neither one of them can touch Rock.

Rock would say it doesn't matter what you think! :)

Romo 2 Austin

03-31-2011, 11:52 AM

I agree with R2A in this ..... In my opinion Cena made Rock look lame Monday night.

Yea, Rock looked rusty and Cena really stepped up his game on monday. Best Cena promo since probably the Edge feud in like 07.

Yakuza Rich

03-31-2011, 12:07 PM

LOL at the comment about Harley Race!

You're absolutely right. He did things so effortlessly and so technically sound.

I didn't get to see Bockwinkle much, but he was certainly one of the best ever.

Most of the stuff we see from Bockwinkle was in the 80's from the AWA. He was actually an excellent athlete. He played football at OU until a knee injury did him in. The amazing thing about the 80's AWA stuff was he was in his 50's (born in 1934)! You'd never think that to look at him.

He was really brilliant on the mic. Never had to yell once. He would just clearly and succinctly explain to the crowd why he was great and everybody else was beneath him. :) When Heenan was his manager in the AWA, it was about as good as it got for me.

YR

MichaelWinicki

03-31-2011, 12:41 PM

Most of the stuff we see from Bockwinkle was in the 80's from the AWA. He was actually an excellent athlete. He played football at OU until a knee injury did him in. The amazing thing about the 80's AWA stuff was he was in his 50's (born in 1934)! You'd never think that to look at him.

He was really brilliant on the mic. Never had to yell once. He would just clearly and succinctly explain to the crowd why he was great and everybody else was beneath him. :) When Heenan was his manager in the AWA, it was about as good as it got for me.

YR

Bockwinkle was a professional through and through. Race was another guy who didn't have to yell.