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RoyTheHammer
08-04-2011, 11:25 AM
1. Yet still makes more outs.
2. How clutch would his hits be if no one was on base? One hit isn't better than another. Stop using RBIs. You can't "hit better" with RISP or else you would hit that way all the time.
3. Yet costs his team more outs.
He doesn't cost his team more outs.. he makes the plays that he should make and has average range. Brown has good range, but can't make the play when he gets there anyway. Think about it..
Say what you want, but RBI's matter. That's why the guys who drive in the most runs get the big contracts. Its simple as well if you think about it. That's why there are guys on every team who are there to get on base, and guys in the middle of the lineup who excel at driving in runs and hitting for power. Its not a coincidence that every team has the same setup. If you wouldn't take the player who's hitting 100 points better with RISP you're either stupid, or just being silly. Either way, this debate is pointless. Ibanez is the guy everyone would trust down the stretch run and in the postseason.. so keep talking about how he sucks while he keeps hitting and we keep winning.
RoyTheHammer
08-04-2011, 11:26 AM
Control issues. He's laying EVERYTHING right over the middle of the plate.
That's rough. You would think a guy who's been in the bigs as long as he has would be able to make adjustments. Maybe he's just getting old and losing it.
Risen Star
08-04-2011, 07:27 PM
The scary thing about the Phils, Roy Oswalt is coming back to the rotation this week.
If he's anything like he was before his back flared up, wow.
It'll be a different story when McCann and Chipper are back in the lineup with Bourn on the roster now.
We need to dump Derek Lowe and dump him fast, though. He's going to cost us the playoffs.
Mike Minor and Julio Teheren are 30 miles down I-85 in Gwinnett, pitching like they are bored.
It's time to say goodbye to Derek.
Say what you want, but RBI's matter. That's why the guys who drive in the most runs get the big contracts. Its simple as well if you think about it. That's why there are guys on every team who are there to get on base, and guys in the middle of the lineup who excel at driving in runs and hitting for power. Its not a coincidence that every team has the same setup. If you wouldn't take the player who's hitting 100 points better with RISP you're either stupid, or just being silly. Either way, this debate is pointless. Ibanez is the guy everyone would trust down the stretch run and in the postseason.. so keep talking about how he sucks while he keeps hitting and we keep winning.
This is ridiculous. Of course the guys that collect RBIs get the big contracts, because they are usually better hitters than the dude hitting 7th or 8th in the lineup. These guys are better at getting on base, NOT MAKING OUTS, and hitting for power to move the guys further along the bases. Not because "they collect RBI". If you have a .250 hitter with decent power and 3 guys who excel at getting on base hitting in front of him, guess what, he's going to collect RBIs. But he's still the same hitter if you bat him 4th or 8th. The only thing separating the two situations is opportunity.
tko112204
08-04-2011, 07:41 PM
He doesn't cost his team more outs.. he makes the plays that he should make and has average range. Brown has good range, but can't make the play when he gets there anyway. Think about it..
Say what you want, but RBI's matter. That's why the guys who drive in the most runs get the big contracts. Its simple as well if you think about it. That's why there are guys on every team who are there to get on base, and guys in the middle of the lineup who excel at driving in runs and hitting for power. Its not a coincidence that every team has the same setup. If you wouldn't take the player who's hitting 100 points better with RISP you're either stupid, or just being silly. Either way, this debate is pointless. Ibanez is the guy everyone would trust down the stretch run and in the postseason.. so keep talking about how he sucks while he keeps hitting and we keep winning.
I don't have to think about it. And I don't have to take some guy on the internet's word for it. Ibanez is worse at preventing runs on defense and worse at avoiding outs on offense. I spelled this all out in my previous post.
And I wouldn't take this argument to a knowledgeable baseball board and start talking about how I'm "stupid" because I don't think RBIs matter.
News flash, neither does anyone who is thinking, or writing about baseball in an analytical way. I don't care if you love Ryan Howard because he has a bunch of RBIs. If you put him on the Pirates or the Astros, would he have as many RBIs?? Of course not. Then what does that have to do with how good he is?
Muhast
08-04-2011, 07:41 PM
Mike Minor and Julio Teheren are 30 miles down I-85 in Gwinnett, pitching like they are bored.
It's time to say goodbye to Derek.
Julio came into my store yesterday. Nice guy. Signed a few hats for me.
I don't have to think about it. And I don't have to take some guy on the internet's word for it. Ibanez is worse at preventing runs on defense and worse at avoiding outs on offense. I spelled this all out in my previous post.
And I wouldn't take this argument to a knowledgeable baseball board and start talking about how I'm "stupid" because I don't think RBIs matter.
News flash, neither does anyone who is thinking, or writing about baseball in an analytical way. I don't care if you love Ryan Howard because he has a bunch of RBIs. If you put him on the Pirates or the Astros, would he have as many RBIs?? Of course not. Then what does that have to do with how good he is?
Maybe this would help better illustrate to Roy..
A. Is Ryan Howard awesome because he averages 140 RBI a year?
Or
B. is Ryan Howard awesome because he has a career per-162 game OPS of over .900 and hits 46 home runs a year?
The answer is simple. Of course it's B. He gets on base, hits for power. Not because he piles up RBIs. If he puts up those same numbers (OPS of .930 and hits 45 homers) on the Pirates or Astros, he wouldn't have near that many RBI.
tko112204
08-04-2011, 09:52 PM
Maybe this would help better illustrate to Roy..
A. Is Ryan Howard awesome because he averages 140 RBI a year?
Or
B. is Ryan Howard awesome because he has a career per-162 game OPS of over .900 and hits 46 home runs a year?
The answer is simple. Of course it's B. He gets on base, hits for power. Not because he piles up RBIs. If he puts up those same numbers (OPS of .930 and hits 45 homers) on the Pirates or Astros, he wouldn't have near that many RBI.
While B is true, it does ignore the fact that both of those career averages don't show the clear decline he is in now. And that's before the contract extension has even kicked in...
2009: OPS: .931 ISO: .292 wOBA: .393 (Basically his peak avg from 06-09)
2010: OPS: .859 ISO: .229 wOBA: .367
2011: OPS: .848 ISO: .240 wOBA: .356
Ryan Howard was a great player, but 1B with big bodies age poorly. And despite his high RBI numbers this season, he isn't near the player he was even 2 years ago.
RoyTheHammer
08-04-2011, 10:33 PM
This is ridiculous. Of course the guys that collect RBIs get the big contracts, because they are usually better hitters than the dude hitting 7th or 8th in the lineup. These guys are better at getting on base, NOT MAKING OUTS, and hitting for power to move the guys further along the bases. Not because "they collect RBI". If you have a .250 hitter with decent power and 3 guys who excel at getting on base hitting in front of him, guess what, he's going to collect RBIs. But he's still the same hitter if you bat him 4th or 8th. The only thing separating the two situations is opportunity.
Yet you don't see cleanup hitters and 8 hole hitters used interchangably in lineups throughout the league.. wonder why that is? Because alot of cleanup hitters are exactly that, pure power guys who don't hit for the greatest averages.
Who's more likely to drive the ball deep and drive in runs.. Raul Ibanez or Carlos Ruiz?
tko112204
08-04-2011, 10:43 PM
Yet you don't see cleanup hitters and 8 hole hitters used interchangably in lineups throughout the league.. wonder why that is? Because alot of cleanup hitters are exactly that, pure power guys who don't hit for the greatest averages.
Who's more likely to drive the ball deep and drive in runs.. Raul Ibanez or Carlos Ruiz?
That's a trick question.
Ruiz hits behind Ibanez. How's he supposed to drive in runs if no one is ever on base?
Of course 8 hitters and 3 hitters aren't used interchangeably. One is a better hitter than another. But not because they get RBIs. Because they have better numbers in the important categories... OBP and SLG and isolated power. RBIs are meaningless in individual talent analysis because they are entirely dependent on the players someone plays with.
I don't know how else to explain it to you. Even if Howard has 140 RBIs this year, it won't mean he had a good season. It will mean he had a lot of runners on base while he was batting this season.
tko112204
08-04-2011, 10:44 PM
Just realized DIAF said the same thing I did in response to Roy.
Except he probably wasn't drunk, hence the more articulate post.
Yet you don't see cleanup hitters and 8 hole hitters used interchangably in lineups throughout the league.. wonder why that is? Because alot of cleanup hitters are exactly that, pure power guys who don't hit for the greatest averages.
Who's more likely to drive the ball deep and drive in runs.. Raul Ibanez or Carlos Ruiz?
Do you realize you just said the EXACT SAME THING I just said?
RoyTheHammer
08-05-2011, 03:48 PM
Do you realize you just said the EXACT SAME THING I just said?
Its not the same thing, because first you said the only difference between the cleanup hitter and 8 hole hitter is oppertunity, which is wrong.
Then you said Howard is the better hitter, not just that he has alot of power, which again is wrong.
Ruiz has a better average and a better OBP as well.. so its not that Howard is a better hitter, its that he has more power and is more likely to produce more runs with his hits.
Risen Star
08-05-2011, 06:11 PM
I'm having a hard time understanding how RBIs is a meaningless stat.
Howard's gonna knock in about 130 of em this year. He leads the NL. In an offense that has ranked in the teens in runs scored all season.
How is that not indicative of great ability? Or maybe I'm just not understanding the other side here.
Its not the same thing, because first you said the only difference between the cleanup hitter and 8 hole hitter is oppertunity, which is wrong.
Then you said Howard is the better hitter, not just that he has alot of power, which again is wrong.
Ruiz has a better average and a better OBP as well.. so its not that Howard is a better hitter, its that he has more power and is more likely to produce more runs with his hits.
Are you doing this on purpose? Or are you really having this much trouble sorting it all out?
Its not the same thing, because first you said the only difference between the cleanup hitter and 8 hole hitter is oppertunity, which is wrong.
No, THIS is what I said.
If you have a .250 hitter with decent power and 3 guys who excel at getting on base hitting in front of him, guess what, he's going to collect RBIs. But he's still the same hitter if you bat him 4th or 8th. The only thing separating the two situations is opportunity.
A hypothetical hitter is the same hitter no matter where you bat him in the lineup. I did NOT compare a 4th place and an 8th place hitter.
Then you said Howard is the better hitter, not just that he has alot of power, which again is wrong.
I said nothing about Howard being a better hitter than Ruiz. Another poster addressed Howard/Ruiz, not me. But, since power is a component of the stats we are talking about (OPS), then yes, Howard is a better hitter than Ruiz.
Ruiz has a better average and a better OBP as well.. so its not that Howard is a better hitter, its that he has more power and is more likely to produce more runs with his hits.
THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG (with OPS)
I'm having a hard time understanding how RBIs is a meaningless stat.
Howard's gonna knock in about 130 of em this year. He leads the NL. In an offense that has ranked in the teens in runs scored all season.
How is that not indicative of great ability? Or maybe I'm just not understanding the other side here.
It's meaningless when talking and comparing individual players. Because RBI is much like "runs"...it doesn't come about by any individual effort, it is a team statistic. In order to collect RBIs, you need your teammates in front of you to get on base unless you plan on just hitting solo homers all the time. So in that case, it's absolutely meaningless when comparing player performance against another. That's why OPS is a much better stat for that. RBI means your teammates are better at getting on base that the other guy's teammates.
Ryan Howard's OPS is a better stat that is indicative of great ability. If you put his .831 OPS in the 4-hole in the Astros lineup, he's still an .831 OPS hitter. However, there's no way possible he'd still have 87 RBI.
RoyTheHammer
08-05-2011, 09:20 PM
It's meaningless when talking and comparing individual players. Because RBI is much like "runs"...it doesn't come about by any individual effort, it is a team statistic. In order to collect RBIs, you need your teammates in front of you to get on base unless you plan on just hitting solo homers all the time. So in that case, it's absolutely meaningless when comparing player performance against another. That's why OPS is a much better stat for that. RBI means your teammates are better at getting on base that the other guy's teammates.
Ryan Howard's OPS is a better stat that is indicative of great ability. If you put his .831 OPS in the 4-hole in the Astros lineup, he's still an .831 OPS hitter. However, there's no way possible he'd still have 87 RBI.
Im pretty sure he'd have close to 87 RBI, if not more, considering their leadoff hitter was hitting over .300 and ours has been crapping around the .250 mark all season.
tko112204
08-06-2011, 01:49 PM
Im pretty sure he'd have close to 87 RBI, if not more, considering their leadoff hitter was hitting over .300 and ours has been crapping around the .250 mark all season.
Hahahahahaha. This is awesome.
CowboyDan
08-07-2011, 04:15 PM
In regards to the Phillies position players, slump is code for old and declining.
The Phillies' slump continues. :laugh2: 9 games up and counting.
I can really only think of two key players on the Phillies where "old and declining" applies - ibanez and oswalt. People are lumping Howard into that list, but he's only 31.
haha, a hit in his final at-bat to extend Uggla's streak to 28 games. This is one of the longer streaks I can remember from the last 20 years or so. Didn't Jimmy Rollins have like a 40 game hit streak a few years back?
casmith07
08-08-2011, 01:08 PM
That's rough. You would think a guy who's been in the bigs as long as he has would be able to make adjustments. Maybe he's just getting old and losing it.
For the better part of two seasons now. Held on to him too long.
Patton
08-08-2011, 03:30 PM
The Phillies' slump continues. :laugh2: 9 games up and counting.
:banghead:
There's always the wildcard. :lmao:
Risen Star
08-08-2011, 05:26 PM
haha, a hit in his final at-bat to extend Uggla's streak to 28 games. This is one of the longer streaks I can remember from the last 20 years or so. Didn't Jimmy Rollins have like a 40 game hit streak a few years back?
Yeah, I think Rollins had one around 40 games a few years ago. Maybe mid-high 30s. I believe that was over two seasons.
CowboyDan
08-08-2011, 05:51 PM
:banghead:
There's always the wildcard. :lmao:
Yep. I really hope they get the wildcard spot. I love Phils v Braves and Phils v Giants series'. I'm looking forward to it.
Risen Star
08-08-2011, 06:24 PM
Yep. I really hope they get the wildcard spot. I love Phils v Braves and Phils v Giants series'. I'm looking forward to it.
I have all the respect in the world for the Braves. Quality young team, tremendous pitching all across the board. They will be a hurdle the Phillies will have to clear in the postseason regardless of how many games up they are in the division.
The Giants are the Giants. If their pitching is hot and they get some timely hitting, they can steal a series from anybody. But I don't believe, player for player, that they are as good as the Phillies or Braves.
Risen Star
08-08-2011, 06:31 PM
Uggla's hitting streak doesn't surprise me. His mendoza line start surprised me. He's too good not to be hitting.
burntricersx
08-11-2011, 01:06 PM
Uggla's hitting streak doesn't surprise me. His mendoza line start surprised me. He's too good not to be hitting.
He's a career .250ish hitter but he's heating up at the right time. And he's quietly on pace to hit 30+ HRs which will lead the team, sadly.
Nothing sad about it. If you looked at all of Dan's peripherals, you could see that it was a whole lotta bad luck. He wasn't really striking out any more than usual, he was still hitting for power, his BABIP was really low. He was hitting the ball, but just hitting it AT people. It was only a matter of time.
Risen Star
08-11-2011, 05:36 PM
He's a career .250ish hitter but he's heating up at the right time. And he's quietly on pace to hit 30+ HRs which will lead the team, sadly.
Pitching dominates this year. The last several years, actually. Leading the team with 30+ HRs isn't bad.
Ryan Howard won't hit 40 this year.
Dan Uggla during current hit streak (July 5th- August 10th): .355/.409/.685 1.094 OPS
Dan Uggla June 29th - August 18th, 2010: .352/.432/.648 1.079 OPS
Dan Uggla, ladies and gentlemen.
28 Joker
08-12-2011, 08:49 PM
Dan Uggla is one hot Super Common. :) Pete Rose 44..
Freddie Freeman....
Greetings......
Venters
Kimbrel
Greetings...
Chipper Jones going yard left handed, to dead center...
Greetings....
Speed in the lineup....
Greetings....
Jair Jurrjens...
Get well...
Greetings...:)
Sad news. During tonight's game that saw Bobby Cox's number retired before a sellout crowd and Dan Uggla extend his hitting streak to a franchise-record 32 games, Ernie Johnson Sr. passed away.
:(
So uh... Carlos Zambrano gives up 5 HRs, a career high, attempts (and fails) to plunk Chipper Jones, and apparently has now cleaned out his locker and retired.
I love Big Z.
Why I love Chipper, reason #2932051:
“Carlos, he’s an intense guy. Really good competitor. A guy you like to have in your corner every fifth day because of his intensity. Sometimes it works against him.”
Raul Ibanez's OBP is now lower than Supercommon Dan Uggla's. Just putting that out there.
Risen Star
08-14-2011, 08:39 PM
And Chase Utley retains the longest hit streak for a 2nd baseman.
RoyTheHammer
08-18-2011, 07:10 PM
Raul Ibanez's OBP is now lower than Supercommon Dan Uggla's. Just putting that out there.
:laugh2:
Someone is still a little upset that his team is getting steamrolled in the standings, huh?
28 Joker
08-18-2011, 11:01 PM
Mike Minor 23 Vanderbilt Greetings....
Greetings to the Giants and their Big Boy...1-0
Chipper Jones going yard left handed... Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeetings....
Venters and Kimbrel....Greetings.............................. .....
Freddie Freeman is a flat out stud!
Prado....Greetings................................
After Craig Kimbrel saves 50 games, he will be in the Cy Young race. He was nasty tonight. 99mph and changing speeds...
Dan Uggla came off the deck. Very impressed by that Super Common. I like him.
Bring on the Diamond Backs.
It's pay back time!
:laugh2:
Someone is still a little upset that his team is getting steamrolled in the standings, huh?
Upset? It's hard to be upset when your team is 20+ games over .500 and still can't close the gap on the 1st place team. It's not like there's much more you can do.
However, as much of this thread as you've spent telling us how terrible Dan Uggla is and how well Raul Ibanez was hitting lately, it's pretty funny. Of course you'll just act like a juvenile like you've done this whole thread.
After Craig Kimbrel saves 50 games, he will be in the Cy Young race. He was nasty tonight. 99mph and changing speeds...
There's no way he's going to win the Cy, but Kimbrel has not been scored upon in over TWO MONTHS.
That's insane.
28 Joker
08-19-2011, 10:54 PM
Yes, we McCann!
Chipper Jones goes yard, again.
Derek Lowe finally makes a stand...
Michael Bourn goes yard.... Love that addition... Speed!
The Diamond Backs tried to come back, but they ran into two brick walls.
Venters and Kimbrel
This team is loaded with great young arms.
Julio Teheran (20)
Randall Delgato (21)
Arodys Vizcaino (20)
Mike Minor (23)
Against the Giants, three of the Young Guns combined for 14 innings, 6 hits, 1 run, 3 walks, 13 stikeouts, and 2 wins.
The Giants are 7 games back.
The Cardinals are 7.5 games back.
Greeeeeeeeetings......
locked&loaded
08-20-2011, 01:17 AM
Yes, we McCann!
Chipper Jones goes yard, again.
Derek Lowe finally makes a stand...
Michael Bourn goes yard.... Love that addition... Speed!
The Diamond Backs tried to come back, but they ran into two brick walls.
Venters and Kimbrel
This team is loaded with great young arms.
Julio Teheran (20)
Randall Delgato (21)
Arodys Vizcaino (20)
Mike Minor (23)
Against the Giants, three of the Young Guns combined for 14 innings, 6 hits, 1 run, 3 walks, 13 stikeouts, and 2 wins.
The Giants are 7 games back.
The Cardinals are 7.5 games back.
Greeeeeeeeetings......
Fear the Beer
casmith07
08-20-2011, 04:29 AM
Mike Minor's breaking ball was disgusting the other night.
Worst-player-in-MLB-History Dan Uggla is now 1 off of the NL lead in homers.
Kimbrel is a BOSS.
I had no qualms about him even after he got to 1st and 3rd with 1 out. Just thought he'd shut it down there.
RoyTheHammer
08-25-2011, 02:43 AM
Upset? It's hard to be upset when your team is 20+ games over .500 and still can't close the gap on the 1st place team. It's not like there's much more you can do.
However, as much of this thread as you've spent telling us how terrible Dan Uggla is and how well Raul Ibanez was hitting lately, it's pretty funny. Of course you'll just act like a juvenile like you've done this whole thread.
:rolleyes:
Ibanez was hitting very well for a good while there, and i've never said Uggla was terrible. That's such a lame attempt to try and exaggerate what i said to try and make yourself look better. I see it all the time from people who are simply wrong and have no better recourse. Show me one post where i've said Uggla is a terrible player.. you can't.
:rolleyes:
Ibanez was hitting very well for a good while there, and i've never said Uggla was terrible. That's such a lame attempt to try and exaggerate what i said to try and make yourself look better. I see it all the time from people who are simply wrong and have no better recourse. Show me one post where i've said Uggla is a terrible player.. you can't.
Uh oh, someone is a little butthurt over being wrong on Ibanez I see!
RoyTheHammer
08-25-2011, 09:34 PM
Uh oh, someone is a little butthurt over being wrong on Ibanez I see!
Get over yourself, bro. This thread isn't about our debate on Uggla. I said Ibanez was hitting very well at the time you made a silly and ridiculous comment that keeping him in the lineup would make it easy for you guys to catch up to us.
I also said Uggla simply isn't that great of a hitter, and he isn't. He'll hit for power, but not average.
Keep whining and acting foolish though.. meanwhile the Braves are still 6 games back.
Get over yourself, bro. This thread isn't about our debate on Uggla. I said Ibanez was hitting very well at the time you made a silly and ridiculous comment that keeping him in the lineup would make it easy for you guys to catch up to us.
I also said Uggla simply isn't that great of a hitter, and he isn't. He'll hit for power, but not average.
Keep whining and acting foolish though.. meanwhile the Braves are still 6 games back.
Acting foolish, sounds pretty much like your every comment in this thread. All you've done is troll, and not added anything to the BASEBALL conversation in here besides NA NA NA NAANAAAA and your lecture on how hitting for average and rbi were the most important things in baseball.
*waits patiently for Roy to start namecalling again*
RoyTheHammer
08-26-2011, 02:11 AM
Acting foolish, sounds pretty much like your every comment in this thread. All you've done is troll, and not added anything to the BASEBALL conversation in here besides NA NA NA NAANAAAA and your lecture on how hitting for average and rbi were the most important things in baseball.
*waits patiently for Roy to start namecalling again*
Troll nothing.. i haven't had any problems with anyone but you.
I'll break it down for you one more time since you struggle to grasp simple concepts.
I said Uggla isn't a very good hitter, and he's not. He'll hit for power but won't ever hit for average.
You also said keeping Raul in the lineup when he was in the middle of a month long hot streak was idiotic and would make it easy for you guys to catch up to us. I said you're wrong and that it was a silly comment.
On both accounts.. i was right. The end.
If you'd like to continue this discussion, feel free to PM me. No need to keep taking up the thread with more Uggla/Ibanez talk.
..and again, Braves still 6 games back.
Well, at least you were able to post without an insult this time. You are making progress!
casmith07
08-26-2011, 07:26 AM
Am I the only one that realizes that baseball is a team sport?
The fact that Dan Uggla hits for power and not contact isn't a problem to me? Since I need a 30HR hitter in my lineup?
That each guy in a batting order has a specific job?
Nah, lets all just be like the Phillies and be juiceheads and try and go yard every at bat.
Risen Star
08-26-2011, 07:40 AM
Nah, lets all just be like the Phillies and be juiceheads and try and go yard every at bat.
File that one away with Miles Austin is better than Roddy White and DeMarcus Ware would make Lawrence Taylor look average.
casmith07
08-26-2011, 08:35 AM
File that one away with Miles Austin is better than Roddy White and DeMarcus Ware would make Lawrence Taylor look average.
File 'em. I don't give a **** what you or anyone else thinks.
RoyTheHammer
08-26-2011, 12:20 PM
Am I the only one that realizes that baseball is a team sport?
The fact that Dan Uggla hits for power and not contact isn't a problem to me? Since I need a 30HR hitter in my lineup?
That each guy in a batting order has a specific job?
Nah, lets all just be like the Phillies and be juiceheads and try and go yard every at bat.
Juiceheads? lol good grief.
RoyTheHammer
08-26-2011, 12:23 PM
Well, at least you were able to post without an insult this time. You are making progress!
This from the guy who's last two posts included saying someone was "butthurt" and calling them a troll..
Spare us bud.
Again, Braves still 6 games back.. man that move sending Dom down and keeping Ibanez up is really killing us. lol
This from the guy who's last two posts included saying someone was "butthurt" and calling them a troll..
Spare us bud.
"butthurt" and the act of trolling are not insults. The only one here that's slung insults in this thread, that would be you.
RoyTheHammer
08-27-2011, 01:58 AM
"butthurt" and the act of trolling are not insults. The only one here that's slung insults in this thread, that would be you.
I don't think i insulted you.. lets get back to the topic though.
Ibanez staying in the lineup over Dom didn't hurt us one bit.
Someone else said the Phils don't have any balance in their lineup or everyone just swings for the fences or some other nonsense like that..
Well, all i can say to that is they are averaging more runs per game than the Braves, so they must be doing something right.
CowboyDan
09-06-2011, 03:45 PM
It's quiet in here lately.....y'all ok?
Sincerely,
Cliff
http://www.hog-sports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/cliff-lee--286x300.jpg
Muhast
09-06-2011, 04:15 PM
It's quiet in here lately.....y'all ok?
Sincerely,
Cliff
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It's all good, we'll meet up in the playoffs. Venters/Kimbrall is still unhittable so we only need to beat you for 7 innings.
That is one great thing we have going for us.
CowboyDan
09-06-2011, 04:24 PM
It's all good, we'll meet up in the playoffs. Venters/Kimbrall is still unhittable so we only need to beat you for 7 innings.
That is one great thing we have going for us.
I can't wait for that series! Here's hoping it happens. :p:
Cliffy finally got the Braves.
RoyTheHammer
09-07-2011, 01:07 AM
Cliffy finally got the Braves.
Damn.. that Ibanez is really killing us.. oh wait, he's killing you. lol
Risen Star
09-07-2011, 08:09 AM
Chipper: Phils Amaro is exec of the year
Chipper Jones (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/players/playerpage/7767)' admiration for the Phillies (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/teams/page/PHI) goes beyond the players on the field.
Jones said this week that he considers Phillies general manager Ruben Amaro the executive of the year. He pointed to the Phillies' acquisitions of Cliff Lee (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/players/playerpage/370395) and Hunter Pence (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/players/playerpage/584806), and even to last season's moves for Roy Halladay (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/players/playerpage/18820) and Roy Oswalt (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/players/playerpage/212033).
"Those are executive of the year type moves," Jones said. "When he swings moves like those, he throws a gut punch at everyone in the division."
Jones said this week that he believes the Braves (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/teams/page/ATL) can challenge the Phillies in the National League playoffs. But that shouldn't be taken to mean he has any less respect for the Phils.
"They play more consistently than anyone else -- including us," Jones said.
http://danny-knobler.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/8590096/31773115?source=rss_blogs_MLB
casmith07
09-07-2011, 08:12 AM
All this Phillies talk reminds me of last year when their fans ran their mouths and got absolutely housed by the Giants in the playoffs when the rotation was shorter.
Risen Star
09-07-2011, 08:13 AM
The Phillies have to be careful with seemingly nothing to play for the last month of the season. They have to find the right balance of resting players while still trying to maintain that edge going into the postseason.
And for anybody talking about a Braves/Phillies playoff series, you might want to hold off on that. The Brewers and Diamondbacks are very capable of knocking off either team in a short series.
Risen Star
09-07-2011, 08:15 AM
All this Phillies talk reminds me of last year when their fans ran their mouths and got absolutely housed by the Giants in the playoffs when the rotation was shorter.
Was this after the Giants eliminated the Braves?
Oh.
Care to talk about which NL team has been the most dominant over the last, say, 5 years?
RoyTheHammer
09-07-2011, 11:19 AM
All this Phillies talk reminds me of last year when their fans ran their mouths and got absolutely housed by the Giants in the playoffs when the rotation was shorter.
I agree.. you should tell Chipper Jones to shut his mouth with all this Phils talk.
CowboyDan
09-07-2011, 12:50 PM
I agree.. you should tell Chipper Jones to shut his mouth with all this Phils talk.
:bow: :laugh2:
Damn.. that Ibanez is really killing us.. oh wait, he's killing you. lol
You asked me to stop with the Ibanez talk and to get back on topic, and look now.
Complete troll confirmed. You are a total child. You ask for everyone to stop the arguing/bickering, and then you start it right back up again. Hmpf.
Dan Uggla the most mediocre 2nd baseman in league history is still out-performing Ibanez the Killer, though, since you seem so eager to (once again) argue about the two.
RoyTheHammer
09-07-2011, 10:39 PM
Man.. that Ibanez really sucks. Again, hitting a homer, getting on base twice and scoring two runs tonight? *** does he think he's doing out there?
:rolleyes:
Risen Star
09-17-2011, 10:32 PM
5 straight division titles.
And now you Braves fans know how I felt when you won it every damn year for over a decade.
RoyTheHammer
09-18-2011, 02:27 AM
5 straight division titles.
And now you Braves fans know how I felt when you won it every damn year for over a decade.
Yea.. im just glad they didn't have that no good loser Ibanez in the lineup tonight or he would have completely blown it for them!
Oh wait.. :rolleyes:
CowboyDan
09-18-2011, 03:53 PM
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Risen Star
09-18-2011, 05:25 PM
I'm guessing the Braves will have to take out the Phillies in the postseason to get this thread active again.
28 Joker
09-20-2011, 11:34 PM
The Phillies better hope Atlanta gets the wildcard, because St. Louis can straight up beat them.
RoyTheHammer
09-21-2011, 02:06 AM
The Phillies better hope Atlanta gets the wildcard, because St. Louis can straight up beat them.
I don't think its got anything to do with St. Louis specifically, i think its just been building for awhile now where they haven't been hitting, and its finally catching up to them. Seems frightenly similar to last season where the bats went cold at the end of the season and it ended up costing them in the playoffs. I just hope to God they start hitting soon.
Risen Star
09-21-2011, 06:48 PM
The Phillies better hope Atlanta gets the wildcard, because St. Louis can straight up beat them.
Only if the Phillies' sticks go cold in the series. Otherwise, St. Louis gets beaten down like a stepchild.
Don't let this last series fool you. The Cardinals have something to play for. The Phillies don't.
I don't think the Cards can beat the Phillies. Superior pitching wins.
Risen Star
09-21-2011, 09:36 PM
I think all those teams could beat the Phillies. But it'll take our bats going cold again. If we hit well, we won't get beat.
28 Joker
09-21-2011, 11:34 PM
I don't think its got anything to do with St. Louis specifically, i think its just been building for awhile now where they haven't been hitting, and its finally catching up to them. Seems frightenly similar to last season where the bats went cold at the end of the season and it ended up costing them in the playoffs. I just hope to God they start hitting soon.
The Phillies are really good, but you are right. They are in a slump with the bats. The Cardinals are dangerous, though. They are white hot, and they have an explosive offense. I don't think the Diamondbacks, Braves, or Brewers will beat the Phillies.
The Braves collapse has been epic. If Atlanta gets in, they will not be around very long. At least, they would make it, though.
28 Joker
09-21-2011, 11:38 PM
Only if the Phillies' sticks go cold in the series. Otherwise, St. Louis gets beaten down like a stepchild.
Don't let this last series fool you. The Cardinals have something to play for. The Phillies don't.
I think the Phillies play hard every game, and I was shocked St. Louis won three of those games. They beat Holliday, and that says something.
Cardinals are white hot and dangerous to the Phillies, imo. The rest of the teams in the national league, not so much.
The Braves peaked in August (again), and losing Jurrgens and Hanson has caught up with them.
28 Joker
09-21-2011, 11:46 PM
If the Braves do indeed lose the wildcard, you can look at 2 games.
Game 1 @ St. Louis
Win that game (up 3-1 in the bottom of the 9th, with 2 outs and a man on first base), and the Cardinals are likely done.
Game 1 @ Florida
After scoring 4 runs in the top of the 7th to take the lead, Chipper loses a routine out (the game ending out) in the lights, and Kimbrel doesn't pick Chipper up and gives up the game winning home run. The former Brave who homered only had 5 HRs at the time.
Craig Kimbrel has been a flat out stud this year (as a rookie). I thought he would get to 50 saves, and he still might. However, the Braves simply were not good enough to over come those 2 blown saves. Venters and Kimbrel pretty much have to be perfect (and they pretty much have been, imo) in order for the Braves to win.
If it wasn't for the Braves pitching staff (especially Venters and Kimbrel), the Braves wouldn't be in the hunt.
Randall Delgato is a flat out stud. I think he is winning a spot in the rotation next year.
It sure would be nice if the Mets won the game tomorrow. A 2 game lead sure is better than 1.
The Braves must beat the Nationals in game 1, or they are in huge trouble, imo. They have to win at least 2 of those games and hope the Cubs beat St. Louis.
Too many injuries have killed the Braves. Even if they make the wild card, they are going out in the first round. I am excited for next year, though, because derek lowe will more than likely be gone and some of this young pitching will be in the rotation or traded for bats. I have no idea how the Braves keep unearthing all this starting pitching talent year after year. I wish they could do the same with the sticks.
Sam I Am
09-22-2011, 07:55 AM
Is there still a team in Atlanta? ;)
Risen Star
09-22-2011, 08:23 PM
I think the Phillies play hard every game, and I was shocked St. Louis won three of those games. They beat Holliday, and that says something.
Cardinals are white hot and dangerous to the Phillies, imo. The rest of the teams in the national league, not so much.
The Braves peaked in August (again), and losing Jurrgens and Hanson has caught up with them.
Yeah, the Phillies went all out in those games. Sitting starters and such. They clearly had a ton to play for.
The Nationals just swept us in four games. Our lineup tonight was littered with names like Orr, Gload and Bowker. Give me a break. They went into spring training mode a week ago.
Now maybe the lull here prevents them from getting back in stride and they end up getting beaten in the first playoff series. That's possible. But these games being played right now mean absolutely nothing to the Phillies and they're playing like it.
RoyTheHammer
09-22-2011, 09:14 PM
Yeah, the Phillies went all out in those games. Sitting starters and such. They clearly had a ton to play for.
The Nationals just swept us in four games. Our lineup tonight was littered with names like Orr, Gload and Bowker. Give me a break. They went into spring training mode a week ago.
Now maybe the lull here prevents them from getting back in stride and they end up getting beaten in the first playoff series. That's possible. But these games being played right now mean absolutely nothing to the Phillies and they're playing like it.
They better start playing well because right now it seems like deja vu from the end of last year when our bats went cold and it cost us a trip to the Series.
Risen Star
09-23-2011, 08:41 PM
They better start playing well because right now it seems like deja vu from the end of last year when our bats went cold and it cost us a trip to the Series.
Could happen.
Could also mean nothing. The Yankees lost 12 of their last 15 games in one of their World Series title years in the late 90s.
Well, stick a fork, Braves are done. Needing to preserve a 1-game lead and they run derek lowe out there, who, to no one's surprise, gives up 4 runs. **** Derek Lowe.
Joe Realist
09-27-2011, 08:23 PM
As a Phillies fan, I take nothing for granted. Anything can happen. For you Braves fans, you may just get in on the final day, like last year, right?
cowboyeric8
09-28-2011, 10:41 PM
Wow Braves
I knew this was going to happen. The front office needs to brutally murder (ok ill settle for firing) every single person from the manager on down to the trainers. Clean ****in' house.
Sam I Am
09-28-2011, 11:12 PM
I knew this was going to happen. The front office needs to brutally murder (ok ill settle for firing) every single person from the manager on down to the trainers. Clean ****in' house.
Braves fans should stay out of the Rangers thread acting like a fan when they clearly aren't.
Bonecrusher#31
09-28-2011, 11:35 PM
I'm sick but it's our protocol....We always and I mean always.
..CHOKE
There's no way around it...
Go Braves in 2012 !!!!!!!!!!
casmith07
09-29-2011, 12:22 AM
Easily one of the worst implosions in baseball history!
Anyone want a Derek Lowe? We got one for sale - he's FREE :banghead:
Braves fans should stay out of the Rangers thread acting like a fan when they clearly aren't.
What?
28 Joker
09-29-2011, 01:13 AM
That was hard to watch, indeed. The Braves were up 10 1/2 games on St. Louis on August 27th. I really can't believe that it happened. It's pretty shocking for a team that had the 2nd best record in baseball and led the wildcard since June 8th. That was an epic meltdown, indeed. I thought the team was done in Florida, honestly.
The Braves had a good year, but they have to finish that. There really are no excuses, but it's a young team. That shouldn't have happened, and they can thank their ice cold bats with runners on base, too.
I stated it earlier in the thread. You can look back at two games.
@ St. Louis- Atlanta leads 3-1 in the bottom of the 9th and has 2 outs and a man on first base and loses. That was the first game of the series, and the Cardinals needed to win every game of that series. The Braves never recovered, and the Cardinals continued to roll.
@ Florida- Atlanta has a 1 run lead (in the bottom of the 9th) with 2 outs and the bases empty and loses. Chipper lost the game ending out in the lights, and Kimbrel didn't pick him up. Crusher.
Those were back breakers. Losing their two best starting pitchers caught up to them in September and ultimately did them in. The backbone of the team (Venters and Kimbrel) looked tired in the end due to the starters not going deeper into the games. These guys had to be perfect for the Braves to win, and that is a ton of pressure on them. They had great years, and the Braves are not even close to contending without them.
Nevertheless, those young rookie pitchers gave the Braves every opportunity to close this out. They did their jobs well and pitched good and gave their team a chance to get it done and win. This is a pitching team, and the hitting with runners in scoring position (during September) was atrocious.
If you lose 2/3 to New York, @ Florida, @ Washington, and get swept @ St. Louis, you really don't deserve to be in the playoffs.
Congratulations to the St. Louis Cardinals. They deserved it in the end. They went 5-1 against the Braves.
I expect the winner of the Phillies/Cardinals series to go to the World Series. I thought the Phillies would get old this year, but that wasn't the case. They are very experienced and very good. It wouldn't surprise me if they won it all, again. However the Cardinals (especially in a short series) are very dangerous to them.
The Braves have some great young pitching and found a stud first basemen. Craig Kimbrel had a great year, and he's just a rookie. Venters was a stud, again. Hope to see Chipper Jones back. That old man had a great year, especially when you consider his age. Dan Uggla had a very strong, good year after a horrendous start. He's a really good player and watching him everyday will show you. Micheal Bourne is a really good player, and he performed great for the Braves. Prado had a very surprising down year, and McCann and Prado really struggled in September. However, there is plenty of blame to go around with the offense for sure. Tim Hudson was really good, but Brandon Beachy really struggled in September. Derrek Lowe looks done, and starting him was pretty much an automatic loss in September for sure.
The Braves need a new shortstop, and Jason Heyward needs some good coaching. They have to get him back on track. He has too much talent.
Randall Delgado is about to take someone's job, and Mike Minor is, too. The Braves better be glad that they didn't trade them to the Mets. Julio Tehran is lurking, too.
Tommy Hanson's shoulder is a concern, and Jair Jurrgen's knee has to be a concern, too. Losing Jurrgen's was a killer. He won 12 games (16 starts) before the All-Star break and was an All-Star himself and the Cy Young frontrunner at the break. Then he starts just 7 games after the break and wins 1 game. He was the team's best starting pitcher. He was the Ace.
Tommy Hanson was 10-4 at the break after 17 starts, and he should have made the All-Star game. He was the team's 2nd best starting pitcher. After the break, Hanson starts 5 games and wins 1.
Jurrgens and Hanson combined for 22 wins before the All-Star break, but they combined for 2 wins after the All-Star break.
That is the root of the collapse, imo. However, the rookie starting pitchers did their job. This wasn't their fault.
The Braves were not going to last long in the playoffs, anyway. The team was just a shell of what they were in August.
Joe Realist
09-29-2011, 02:22 PM
*** crickets ***
Risen Star
09-29-2011, 02:47 PM
That "unhittable" bullpen ran out of gas.
Shame on the Braves and Red Sox. They're too good to let those teams catch them from that far back.
And now we get the red hot St. Louis Cardinals. I know they CAN beat us, but I don't think they will. And if they don't, I think the Phillies walk to the World Series. They're not losing to the Brewers or Diamondbacks.
That "unhittable" bullpen ran out of gas.
Shame on the Braves and Red Sox. They're too good to let those teams catch them from that far back.
And now we get the red hot St. Louis Cardinals. I know they CAN beat us, but I don't think they will. And if they don't, I think the Phillies walk to the World Series. They're not losing to the Brewers or Diamondbacks.
The braves missing their two top starting pitchers for much of August and Sept didn't help things, either. The offense wasn't good enough to make up for such a blow to the pitching staff. Next year they have got to have Heyward step up and probably add another bat. Left field is a complete black hole.
Risen Star
09-29-2011, 07:51 PM
The braves missing their two top starting pitchers for much of August and Sept didn't help things, either. The offense wasn't good enough to make up for such a blow to the pitching staff. Next year they have got to have Heyward step up and probably add another bat. Left field is a complete black hole.
You may look back on this and say this was the time the team learned how to be a winner.
I don't know what the deal is with Heyward. Chalk it up to a sophomore slump, I guess. If he shows this form next spring, I'd start worrying.
locked&loaded
09-29-2011, 08:04 PM
Fear the Beer!
How bout them Brewers
Joe Rod
09-30-2011, 07:10 AM
Well, it was a real bummer of a season, but I wore my Bravos hat till the bitter end. Cardinals deserved to be in the post-season because they are streaking and I don't see the Braves putting up much of a fight at this point anyway.
Risen Star
10-01-2011, 06:21 PM
Man, I don't want to get into that Ibanez/Uggla debate on here, because I think Uggla is an outstanding player but Ibanez has really come up big for the Phillies the last month or so and including game 1 of the NLDS.
Halfway through the season I was looking forward to next year without him. Now, I don't know.
RoyTheHammer
10-02-2011, 11:20 AM
Man, I don't want to get into that Ibanez/Uggla debate on here, because I think Uggla is an outstanding player but Ibanez has really come up big for the Phillies the last month or so and including game 1 of the NLDS.
Halfway through the season I was looking forward to next year without him. Now, I don't know.
You know i gotta do it, but MAN that "Suckbanez" is KILLING US!!
:D
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