Monday Night Raw report

[Phoenix]

RAW in London report:

London fans seem jazzed (for them).

R Truth vs Morrison

When R Truth asked for bottled water I knew he would lose. Just check out what bad stuff is in those bottled water bottles by Google'ing Jesse Ventura and Conspiracy Theory! If he had asked for BEER he would have been fine!

Morrison wins of course.

Oh well. R Truth! BEER is the answer! Ask Stone Cold!

R Truth attacking Morrison now after the match. Who knew? lol....

[Romo 2 Austin]

R truth heel turn, new gimmick as a smoker.

Vince Russo stupid.

[Phoenix]

R Truth continues to attack Morrison after the match, outside the ring...chants of "R Truth Sucks!!" appear. Is this the heel turn...?

[Yeagermeister]

Oh no not R Truth :eek:

[Phoenix]

Yep, heel as a smoker, you are right. Sad to see it as a recovering smoker myself. Today is day 203 for me after 27 years of smoking.

[Romo 2 Austin]

R Truth continues to attack Morrison after the match, outside the ring...chants of "R Truth Sucks!!" appear. Is this the heel turn...?

yes that I talked about before, this is literally a vince-russo level dumb heel turn. How did anyone think this was a good idea :bang2:

[Phoenix]

Could have swore I heard the ***** Vicky Guerrero yelling at R Truth from the audience as they went to break!

[Romo 2 Austin]

After the match, Morrison offers his hand to Truth and he has something to say to Truth. Truth is not happy with the result of the match. Morrison poses on the turnbuckles and Truth pulls Morrison off the turnbuckles. Truth with a running knee to Morrison’s head and he is down on the floor. Truth leaves the ring and then he hits another running knee against the ringside barrier. Truth walks over to Morrison and he wants to know why Morrison did this. Truth throws Morrison down and he gets some water and hits Morrison in the head with the bottle. Truth can’t believe that Morrison is getting up. Truth tells John that he did this and then he hits the What’s Up. Truth asks for a cigarette and he lights up in the arena.

The fans chant ‘that’s illegal’ to Truth while he gives Morrison some second hand smoke.

Truth talks to himself as we go to commercial.


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[Phoenix]

Hard Knocks before the telecast for Raw: I KNEW those same two jabronies that were in the final three from last week would skate through! Really sad cast I think. Even sadder to know that most of those jobronies will end up in TNA.

[zrinkill]

Those 2 guys should never be given a mic.

[Phoenix]

Yep, knew I heard that ***** Vicky Guerrero!

[Phoenix]

Vicky and Dork Lundgren or Dolph something-or-other down to ring. Vicky laughing at Even Bourn in ring. Guess a match is happening.

[Phoenix]

London crowd fairly quiet I think. They have a few spots...but that Dork Ziggly guy just won over Bourne

[Phoenix]

By the way - the "annual draft" is upcoming...you guys like that or not? I really don't.

Rock will be on Raw in a few weeks for his birthday.

[DallasGirl50]

Yea I like the draft. Changes things up a bit.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Yea I like the draft. Changes things up a bit.

No it doesn't, virtually everyone(who matters) is on every show. WWE doesn't have enough established main event talent's to keep up the brand split.

[big dog cowboy]

Those 2 guys should never be given a mic.

I was thinking the same thing about 10 seconds after Morrison entered the ring and opened his pie hole.

[DallasGirl50]

No it doesn't, virtually everyone(who matters) is on every show. WWE doesn't have enough established main event talent's to keep up the brand split.


Yes it does change it up..

Once in awhile the guys will do both shows or switch but that is usually to promote a PPV..WM..whatever.

Taker is a SD wrestler but he appears on RAW sometimes. When? When they are promoting something.

Do you want to argue if water is wet too?

[zrinkill]

I was thinking the same thing about 10 seconds after Morrison entered the ring and opened his pie hole.

Sounded like I was watching A.J. and Matt Morgan

[zrinkill]

Do you want to argue if water is wet too?

:laugh2:

[Romo 2 Austin]

Yes it does change it up..

Once in awhile the guys will do both shows or switch but that is usually to promote a PPV..WM..whatever.

Taker is a SD wrestler but he appears on RAW sometimes. When? When they are promoting something.

Do you want to argue if water is wet too?

Then they must be promoting something nearly every week.

[Aikmaniac]

By the way - the "annual draft" is upcoming...you guys like that or not? I really don't.

Rock will be on Raw in a few weeks for his birthday.

That will probably be the next time I watch Raw. Was pulling for the John Morrison guy until I heard him on the mic.

Wow, Cena just plain sucks.

[DallasGirl50]

Then they must be promoting something nearly every week.


Lord have mercy..let me explain this.

They have been crisscrossing both shows alot lately because of WM...but if you have any knowledge of the draft you would know they have split up tag teams before...they have moved champions to the other show and put belts up for grabs...and yea they are promoting their next PPV big time which they have to do because of Edge's retirement. They'll lose paying customers cause Edge is gone. And the shows this week will have both rosters because they are in another country. Those fans want to see all the guys..

My only question for you is that since WWE seems to get up your crawl space every week why do you even watch? That really makes no sense to me....yet you seem to know almost every little tidbit of info on every WWE match..every wrestler on there.

[DallasGirl50]

That will probably be the next time I watch Raw. Was pulling for the John Morrison guy until I heard him on the mic.

Wow, Cena just plain sucks.


John needs professional help for his job re speaking..he is very poor at it. But he is a good wrestler so I guess they figure we'll cringe while he's on mic but he'll put on a good match.

He's always sucked on his mic work. From the beginning...he looks scared out of his mind.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Lord have mercy..let me explain this.

They have been crisscrossing both shows alot lately because of WM...but if you have any knowledge of the draft you would know they have split up tag teams before...they have moved champions to the other show and put belts up for grabs...and yea they are promoting their next PPV big time which they have to do because of Edge's retirement. They'll lose paying customers cause Edge is gone. And the shows this week will have both rosters because they are in another country. Those fans want to see all the guys..

My only question for you is that since WWE seems to get up your crawl space every week why do you even watch? That really makes no sense to me....yet you seem to know almost every little tidbit of info on every WWE match..every wrestler on there.

I know why they do it, but whenever they want to they ignore the brand extension and it defeats the purpose. 2002-2004, it meant something.

I watch WWE for the performers I enjoy watching, and fast foward the rest, which is quite the majority of the shows. The diva's division is garbage, the tag division non existent, and 2 of the "entertainers" getting the biggest pushe's right now I wouldn't even want to watch as jobbers in Del Joke, or in the Miz he could be a decent midcarder, Del Joke I don't want to see period. I fast foward every one of his segments in rage that he is even getting a paycheck to bore the world while WWE releases people such as MVP, Shelton Benjamin amongest others and there are "free agents" such as Austin Aries, Chris Hero and Claudio Castagnoli out there but yet that idiot gets on TV.


John Morrison, Daniel Bryan, HHH, Christian, R-Truth (before this more than vince-russo like heel turn), Punk, McIntyre, and a few others I enjoy and will watch and support them.

[RoyTheHammer]

Could have swore I heard the ***** Vicky Guerrero yelling at R Truth from the audience as they went to break!

Seriously.. out of the entire 30 minutes of that skit that went on wayyyyyy too long, that was the best part by far. When he starts smokin and you here the british lady yell, "Will someone please think of the children!?!"

:laugh2:

[RoyTheHammer]

John needs professional help for his job re speaking..he is very poor at it. But he is a good wrestler so I guess they figure we'll cringe while he's on mic but he'll put on a good match.

He's always sucked on his mic work. From the beginning...he looks scared out of his mind.

He's not that good a wrestler either.. that match with Truth was terrible. They were getting booed even, until John's finisher. That was really the only pop the entire match.

30 minutes. 1/4 of the show. That skit? Your opener? Come on. :(

[big dog cowboy]

30 minutes. 1/4 of the show. That skit? Your opener? Come on. :(

Can you imagine how those in the audience felt?

They finally get a Raw only to have that be the opening?

[RoyTheHammer]

Can you imagine how those in the audience felt?

They finally get a Raw only to have that be the opening?

I swear the WWE has become an after school special too. Every week i have to listen to these embarassments come out and go

"Hey man, you know i really respect you."

"Hey man, i respect you too."

"Ahh, that's awesome man, lets hug."


..and this week..

"hey man, i have a smoking problem."

"I know man, its tough.. you know you shouldn't do that. It'll cut your life short if you don't quit sir."

"I know man, im trying to quit."

"Yayziessssss!"


Yack..

[DallasGirl50]

He's not that good a wrestler either.. that match with Truth was terrible. They were getting booed even, until John's finisher. That was really the only pop the entire match.

30 minutes. 1/4 of the show. That skit? Your opener? Come on. :(

I didn't watch or even DVR RAW last night but John is a good wrestler..don't know what would change that last night. Generally speaking the out of country shows are not that good nor are the shows immediately after PPV's. They always look very sloppily put together and you can tell the wrestlers are spent.

Edge is there so maybe just by him being there SMACKDOWN will be better.

[Romo 2 Austin]

wm750_aP3WY


LOLLLLLL

[RoyTheHammer]

wm750_aP3WY


LOLLLLLL

I swear if the fans weren't caught by the WWE mics there that whole 30 minutes would have been a complete waste. I loved it there right at the end though, that British chick screaming,

"Will someone PLEASEEEE think of the childrennn!!?"

:lmao2:

[zrinkill]

:lmao2:

brutal .... but that segment will still probably get better ratings than any other wrestling show this week.

[big dog cowboy]

but that segment will still probably get better ratings than any other wrestling show this week.
OK I LOL'ed a little.

[RoyTheHammer]

:lmao2:

brutal .... but that segment will still probably get better ratings than any other wrestling show this week.

Of course it will.. because its a "good brand". People don't mind crap, as long as its a brand name product.

[zrinkill]

Of course it will.. because its a "good brand". People don't mind crap, as long as its a brand name product.

And some do not mind it when its not brand name.

[RoyTheHammer]

And some do not mind it when its not brand name.

To be honest.. both brands are pretty crappy right now. If i were you though, i'd be rooting for TNA. Them being able to develop and further themselves in the wrestling market is pretty much the only chance we all have right now at ever seeing a decent wrestling show ever again. If they continue to develop and can bring back legitimate competition for the WWE's ratings, we'll see shows like we did back in the golden age of wrestling in the 90's.

[zrinkill]

To be honest.. both brands are pretty crappy right now. If i were you though, i'd be rooting for TNA.

Why root for a failure of a company who is not truly invested in the wrestling business?

I am still enjoying WWE programing ...... The "glory days" of the 90's cannot return because there is only one Stone Cold Steve Austin.

Funny thing is I think Stone Cold will return after Tough Enough for one last ride.

[RoyTheHammer]

Why root for a company who is not truly invested in the wrestling business?

Come on.. the WWE isn't that bad brah. :D

[DallasGirl50]

Why root for a failure of a company who is not truly invested in the wrestling business?

I am still enjoying WWE programing ...... The "glory days" of the 90's cannot return because there is only one Stone Cold Steve Austin.

Funny thing is I think Stone Cold will return after Tough Enough for one last ride.


Steve says he can still wrestle but he had the same surgery as Edge..it is plausible he might not be able to get medically cleared. Although Cena and Angle both wrestle now with neck issues so who knows?

Austin has not changed one bit since he was a regular on WWE..not one bit. He just has not aged at all...

[RoyTheHammer]

Steve says he can still wrestle but he had the same surgery as Edge..it is plausible he might not be able to get medically cleared. Although Cena and Angle both wrestle now with neck issues so who knows?

Austin has not changed one bit since he was a regular on WWE..not one bit. He just has not aged at all...

Favorite wrestler of all time.. when his music hit, i was outta my seat haha.

[zrinkill]

Come on.. the WWE isn't that bad brah. :D

I know ....... I am talking about WCW light.

[DallasGirl50]

Favorite wrestler of all time.. when his music hit, i was outta my seat haha.

I like Austin..I saw him when he first came up right there from the Sportatorium there in Dallas...

I would have liked him more had he not been accused by several woman of abusing them physically..I have a hard time as a woman supporting a man who whoops up on women. But he got his act together away from the ring so good luck to him. I've heard him talk about it..he was drinking too much and he has anger issues. Never a dull moment with him though when he was with the WWE. I won't ever forget him hitting Vince with a bedpan..that vignette still cracks me up.

[RoyTheHammer]

I know ....... I am talking about WCW light.

Oh.. well you said "a company that isn't truly invested in the wrestling business" so i just assumed you meant the WWE, lol.

Seriously though.. competition is what made the "glory days" of wrestling in the 90's. Both shows Nitro and Raw were intense and kept having to up the ante to keep the fans interest. Competition breeds success, and to get back to that level of entertainment, we need a small company like TNA or some other promotion to break through and actually offer legitimate market competition to the WWE product.

TNA has the best chance to do that of any company right now, so rooting for them to continue to be able to develop and grow only makes sense for any wrestling fan. Their biggest problems right now are marketing and booking, but spending more money on production wouldn't be bad either.

[RoyTheHammer]

I like Austin..I saw him when he first came up right there from the Sportatorium there in Dallas...

I would have liked him more had he not been accused by several woman of abusing them physically..I have a hard time as a woman supporting a man who whoops up on women. But he got his act together away from the ring so good luck to him. I've heard him talk about it..he was drinking too much and he has anger issues. Never a dull moment with him though when he was with the WWE. I won't ever forget him hitting Vince with a bedpan..that vignette still cracks me up.

:laugh2: One of the many classic moments he left behind.

Yea, i never heard of the abuse reports, but if he did do that its obviously not something i would support. Im not sure what kind of person he was, but as a wrestler and an entertainer.. he was one of the best ever.

[zrinkill]

Oh.. well you said "a company that isn't truly invested in the wrestling business" so i just assumed you meant the WWE, lol.

Hmmm ..... Man who grew up in the business and is a Icon of the sport ..... or Panda Energy International?

[RoyTheHammer]

Hmmm ..... Man who grew up in the business and is a Icon of the sport ..... or Panda Energy International?

Its not a sport and you would be fired for referring to it as such if you worked for that company..

..and they arn't in the wrestling business anymore, per their own statements.

[DallasGirl50]

:laugh2: One of the many classic moments he left behind.

Yea, i never heard of the abuse reports, but if he did do that its obviously not something i would support. Im not sure what kind of person he was, but as a wrestler and an entertainer.. he was one of the best ever.

He just drank too much..I guess it would be a understatement that he's probably a mean as hell drunk. I don't think that makes him a bad person necessarily..I don't know the guy obviously but he was just like anybody else that needs help controlling themselves. As far as I know that stuff is long behind him and he's fine now so all is well.

WWE marketed him beautifully...and he was funny.

[big dog cowboy]

Favorite wrestler of all time.. when his music hit, i was outta my seat haha.
Give me a hell yeah!!!

2TwLOOFvzS4

[zrinkill]

He just drank too much..I guess it would be a understatement that he's probably a mean as hell drunk.

Or Debra is just a lying *****

[zrinkill]

Its not a sport and you would be fired for referring to it as such if you worked for that company..

..and they arn't in the wrestling business anymore, per their own statements.

:rolleyes:

WWE are pushing that they are an entertainment company so the feds cannot start mandating things to them like they are doing in every other Sport.

With his Wife being on the opposite side of the group who is now in charge political wise and with his own history with the Government, it is only smart.

It also keeps state sport commissions from being able to control what goes on at live shows.

Once again Vince is ahead of the curve.

[Romo 2 Austin]

:rolleyes:

WWE are pushing that they are an entertainment company so the feds cannot start mandating things to them like they are doing in every other Sport.

With his Wife being on the opposite side of the group who is now in charge political wise and with his own history with the Government, it is only smart.

It also keeps state sport commissions from being able to control what goes on at live shows.

Once again Vince is ahead of the curve.
No, there doing it because every 5 or so years Vince gets a "great" idea to expand, Wrestlemania, around 7 years later that failed bodybuilding company, 5 years later the failed XFL, 5 years later the semi-success of WWE movies, 5 years later "entertainment > wrestling"

[zrinkill]

No, there doing it because every 5 or so years Vince gets a "great" idea to expand

bull ....

You have proven time and time again that you do not know anything about the business.

[Yeagermeister]

No, there doing it because every 5 or so years Vince gets a "great" idea to expand, Wrestlemania, around 7 years later that failed bodybuilding company, 5 years later the failed XFL, 5 years later the semi-success of WWE movies, 5 years later "entertainment > wrestling"

TNA will go under before the WWE will

[Romo 2 Austin]

bull ....

You have proven time and time again that you do not know anything about the business.

No, I understand the business quite well; you just don't agree with my opinions.

[zrinkill]

No, I understand the business quite well; you just don't agree with my opinions.

bull ....

Your wrestling knowledge goes back how many years?

To you the good old days was the Samoa Joe vs Kurt Angle feud from 2 years ago.

So please do not preach to us what Vince's tendencies every 5 years are when you had to google anything past 5 years ago.

[Romo 2 Austin]

bull ....

Your wrestling knowledge goes back how many years?

To you the good old days was the Samoa Joe vs Kurt Angle feud from 2 years ago.

So please do not preach to us what Vince's tendencies every 5 years are when you had to google anything past 5 years ago.

I've been watching Wrestling since before I watched Football, since 1999. So while 17, my perspective on wrestling isn't "invalid" because of my age, wrestling is a timeless product, you can watch feuds on DVD from 20 years ago and enjoy it the same someone watching it then would've, thats one of the beauty's of wrestling.

The "Ruthless Aggression" era on SD, from 2002-2004 with Paul Heyman booking was my favorite, i've seen a ton of stuff from the attitude era and before, and nothing touches 2002-2004 SD.

[zrinkill]

I've been watching Wrestling since before I watched Football, since 1999.

So you were 6.

And the XFL was formed when you were 7.

They played their first game when you were 8.

The good old days was Smackdown in 2002-2004 ...... when you were 9-11

:laugh2:

I am sorry for doubting the depth of your professional wrestling knowledge.

That really was the Golden years ....... Smackdown circa 2002-2004.

[Romo 2 Austin]

So you were 6.

And the XFL was formed when you were 7.

They played their first game when you were 8.

The good old days was Smackdown in 2002-2004 ...... when you were 9-11

:laugh2:

I am sorry for doubting the depth of your professional wrestling knowledge.

That really was the Golden years ....... Smackdown circa 2002-2004.

It was, pulling higher ratings than RAW nearly every week. Lesnar - Angle insanely great feud, fantastic feuds all around, the storylines made sense, mid card storylines that were interesting, go look at the roster or go back and watch, you'll agree.

Well, unless you actually enjoy the garbage that's on RAW/SD now adays, then you might somehow not enjoy the good product that was on then.

[zrinkill]

It was, pulling higher ratings than RAW nearly every week.

bull ....... never once did it pull higher ratings than Raw unless there was a ig Football game on (and I doubt even then)

Show me a link to this info ...... or did you just pull it out your ****?

P.S. I have a link so try not to embarrass yourself.

[Romo 2 Austin]

bull ....... never once did it pull higher ratings than Raw unless there was a ig Football game on (and I doubt even then)

Show me a link to this info ...... or did you just pull it out your ****?

P.S. I have a link so try not to embarrass yourself.

:laugh2:



http://www.100megsfree4.com/wiawrestling/pages/wwf/wwfsmck.htm


http://www.100megsfree4.com/wiawrestling/pages/wwf/wwfraw.htm



now first date I scrolled down too in 2002:
December 23, 2002 RAW 3.3

December 26, 2002 SD 3.4


i'm sure there are a ton more, but you can keep up your bull**** pretending you know alot about wrestling when you clearly know next to nothing if you don't recall how hot the SD product was with heyman booking.

[zrinkill]

December 23, 2002 RAW 3.3

December 26, 2002 SD 3.4


i'm sure there are a ton more, but you can keep up your bull**** pretending you know alot about wrestling when you clearly know next to nothing if you don't recall how hot the SD product was with heyman booking.


How much you wanna bet on how many times?

in 2002 it was 2 times
in 2003 it was 0 times
in 2004 it was 2 times.

Thats almost every time for 3 years huh kid? and Most of those were when Raw was a holiday special showing old matches.

You were very wrong ....... as usual.

No nothing.

[zrinkill]

It was, pulling higher ratings than RAW nearly every week.

:laugh2:

Just to remind you what you said.

[Romo 2 Austin]

How much you wanna bet on how many times?

in 2002 it was 2 times
in 2003 it was 0 times
in 2004 it was 2 times.

Thats almost every time for 3 years huh kid? and Most of those were when Raw was a holiday special showing old matches.

You were very wrong ....... as usual.

No nothing.
bull ....... never once did it pull higher ratings than Raw unless there was a ig Football game on (and I doubt even then)

Show me a link to this info ...... or did you just pull it out your ****?

P.S. I have a link so try not to embarrass yourself.

is what you said.

[zrinkill]

is what you said.

Not once except for a football game is a hell of a lot closer than every week for 3 years kid.

4 times ...... two were holiday reruns and two were football games like I said.

I was wrong about 2 . You were wrong about 150+.

Do the math.

[zrinkill]

I was told to wrap this up so I am done with this argument .....

You have once again proven how much you know.

Thank you.

[DallasGirl50]

Or Debra is just a lying *****


No..I've heard him talk about that time in his life. He was an abusive alcoholic. He has a daughter that he finally decided he wanted to set a better example for...and I don't believe he remarried after Debra either. He was just out of control.

[zrinkill]

No..I've heard him talk about that time in his life. He was an abusive alcoholic. He has a daughter that he finally decided he wanted to set a better example for...and I don't believe he remarried after Debra either. He was just out of control.

He said he never hit her ...... that she attacked him and he pushed her down.

All her ex husbands agreed that she attacked them n many occasions.

When the cops showed up you have a 6-1 240 pound drunk ex wrestler ..... they took him in.

In the police report it said she had no marks on her but he admitted to pushing her down.

[DallasGirl50]

He said he never hit her ...... that she attacked him and he pushed her down.

All her ex husbands agreed that she attacked them n many occasions.

When the cops showed up you have a 6-1 240 pound drunk ex wrestler ..... they took him in.

In the police report it said she had no marks on her but he admitted to pushing her down.

that's not what I heard him say out of his own mouth..he said he was an "abusive alcoholic"...and he wanted to get himself straightened out to be a better father. The end result is all that matters. He stopped his heavy drinking and got himself together. I heard a ton of bad things about him when he was wrestling..same with Shawn. One just has to be glad they got themselves together or end up as another statistic of a wrestler dying young.

[zrinkill]

that's not what I heard him say out of his own mouth..he said he was an "abusive alcoholic"...

Never heard that before.

[BraveHeartFan]

To be honest.. both brands are pretty crappy right now. If i were you though, i'd be rooting for TNA. Them being able to develop and further themselves in the wrestling market is pretty much the only chance we all have right now at ever seeing a decent wrestling show ever again. If they continue to develop and can bring back legitimate competition for the WWE's ratings, we'll see shows like we did back in the golden age of wrestling in the 90's.

I would LOVE to TNA to do better, to be a real competition to WWE, and to make the whole wrestling world better.

I agree it was so much better when WCW was hot and there was a real competition for the ratings.

Sadly TNA has proven, multiple times over, that they're not a real competition to the WWE and they're never going to be when they continue to pretty much be WCW Version 2.0 and suck worse than WCW did when it was dying.

If they could turn it around and be a real viable option I'd gladly support them to see it bring back a real competition in wrestling.

I just haven't seen it from them yet and I don't believe I ever will.


Favorite wrestler of all time.. when his music hit, i was outta my seat haha.

Loved his music. He's one of my all time favorites. The guy was pretty dang entertaining.


:laugh2: One of the many classic moments he left behind.

Yea, i never heard of the abuse reports, but if he did do that its obviously not something i would support. Im not sure what kind of person he was, but as a wrestler and an entertainer.. he was one of the best ever.

I've heard him speak about the reports and such. I've never heard him admit to hitting her, or anything, but I have heard him admit that he drank to much and it caused lots of problems. So maybe he did, maybe he was simply verbally abusive, who knows.



TNA will go under before the WWE will

Yep.

Without a doubt.


I've been watching Wrestling since before I watched Football, since 1999. So while 17, my perspective on wrestling isn't "invalid" because of my age, wrestling is a timeless product, you can watch feuds on DVD from 20 years ago and enjoy it the same someone watching it then would've, thats one of the beauty's of wrestling.

The "Ruthless Aggression" era on SD, from 2002-2004 with Paul Heyman booking was my favorite, i've seen a ton of stuff from the attitude era and before, and nothing touches 2002-2004 SD.

LMFAO!!!!! Get out of here. Seriously.

2002-2004 SD had some very nice stuff and some really quality and entertaining feuds and storylines but it doesn't even remotely come close, at all, to anything RAW related from 1997-2000.

Austin and The Rock, alone, on RAW during that span was 100x better than anything and everything wrestling has done since, and 100x than a lot of the stuff that came before it.

Once again you're showing your age, and lack of actual knowledge, of wrestling when you make a silly statement like that.

[big dog cowboy]

Sadly TNA has proven, multiple times over, that they're not a real competition to the WWE and they're never going to be when they continue to pretty much be WCW Version 2.0 and suck worse than WCW did when it was dying.


:laugh2:

This is so true.

But........I wouldn't count on a Christmas Card from R2A this year.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I would LOVE to TNA to do better, to be a real competition to WWE, and to make the whole wrestling world better.

I agree it was so much better when WCW was hot and there was a real competition for the ratings.

Sadly TNA has proven, multiple times over, that they're not a real competition to the WWE and they're never going to be when they continue to pretty much be WCW Version 2.0 and suck worse than WCW did when it was dying.

If they could turn it around and be a real viable option I'd gladly support them to see it bring back a real competition in wrestling.

I just haven't seen it from them yet and I don't believe I ever will.




Loved his music. He's one of my all time favorites. The guy was pretty dang entertaining.




I've heard him speak about the reports and such. I've never heard him admit to hitting her, or anything, but I have heard him admit that he drank to much and it caused lots of problems. So maybe he did, maybe he was simply verbally abusive, who knows.





Yep.

Without a doubt.




LMFAO!!!!! Get out of here. Seriously.

2002-2004 SD had some very nice stuff and some really quality and entertaining feuds and storylines but it doesn't even remotely come close, at all, to anything RAW related from 1997-2000.

Austin and The Rock, alone, on RAW during that span was 100x better than anything and everything wrestling has done since, and 100x than a lot of the stuff that came before it.

Once again you're showing your age, and lack of actual knowledge, of wrestling when you make a silly statement like that.

Austin & Rock while entertaining aren't in my top 10. I prefer good in-ring wrestling which is why i'd take Michaels & Jericho over Austin & Rock.

That's my opinion, and it's certainly not a popular one.

[BraveHeartFan]

Austin & Rock while entertaining aren't in my top 10. I prefer good in-ring wrestling which is why i'd take Michaels & Jericho over Austin & Rock.

That's my opinion, and it's certainly not a popular one.


I have absolutely zero issue over that. I'd take HBK and Jericho over pretty much everyone too. They're amazing on the mic and in the ring, IMO. So I'm not sure what you're hoping to prove there.

In an ideal world you'd like your main eventers to be both great on the mic and great in the ring. Unfortunately that's just not always the case. So when you have to pick between the two, of whats going to draw and sell more, the guy whose fantastic on the mic is 99/100 times going to be the pick, and the bigger draw, over someone who can't talk worth a crap but can put on a wrestling clinic.

A prime example would be your boy AJ. Absolutely fantastic, phenomenal, amazing in ring worker. The guy is brilliant in the ring and is popular because of that. However he's no where near, and never will be, as popular as Austin, The Rock, Ric Flair, or any guy like that was cause he can't talk on the mic worth a piss.

If it was just about wrestling ability, in the ring, getting folks over then a guy like Lance Storm would have been a multiple time world champion and would have been a huge draw.

Like it or not top quality mic skills are what sells. You think Hogan is one of the all time biggest draws, and names, in wrestling history cause he can wrestle? Hell no. The guy is awful in the ring and has been pretty much his whole career. But he can talk. That's what draws people to the shows. That's what puts up the ratings and sells the PPV buy rates that are crazy.

Now in the case of Austin it's actually really unfair that he doesn't get more credit and it's another by product of young folks, like yourself, having no idea bout him outside of his Stone Cold run.

Got back and watch some WCW footage of him as 'Stunning' Steve Austin, especially his work in the Hollywood Blonds with Brian Pillman. Steve could actually wrestle pretty darn good. He was a darn solid wrestler.

The thing was he didn't need it. It wasn't needed for him to get over. What got him over was being brilliant on the mic, drinking beer, kicking ***, and flipping the bird. But he could actually go in the ring if they'd let him.

[DallasGirl50]

Never heard that before.


Unfortunately it's more common than uncommon for a pro wrestler to have had run-ins with the law..seems like almost every week somebody gets arrested for something these days.

Jericho even got busted for something not very long ago..last year maybe..

[DallasGirl50]

Austin & Rock while entertaining aren't in my top 10. I prefer good in-ring wrestling which is why i'd take Michaels & Jericho over Austin & Rock.

That's my opinion, and it's certainly not a popular one.


I think I posted this once but oh well..funny you would say that about Rock. Jericho said he's the best wrestler he's ever been in the ring with.

Taker says HHH is the best...

and Ric Flair is respected universally by his peers. Shame he needs money and is pimping himself out these days. He can't wrestle anymore but he still does. Well he tries anyway..I'll always have massive respect for Flair no matter what.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I have absolutely zero issue over that. I'd take HBK and Jericho over pretty much everyone too. They're amazing on the mic and in the ring, IMO. So I'm not sure what you're hoping to prove there.

In an ideal world you'd like your main eventers to be both great on the mic and great in the ring. Unfortunately that's just not always the case. So when you have to pick between the two, of whats going to draw and sell more, the guy whose fantastic on the mic is 99/100 times going to be the pick, and the bigger draw, over someone who can't talk worth a crap but can put on a wrestling clinic.

A prime example would be your boy AJ. Absolutely fantastic, phenomenal, amazing in ring worker. The guy is brilliant in the ring and is popular because of that. However he's no where near, and never will be, as popular as Austin, The Rock, Ric Flair, or any guy like that was cause he can't talk on the mic worth a piss.

If it was just about wrestling ability, in the ring, getting folks over then a guy like Lance Storm would have been a multiple time world champion and would have been a huge draw.

Like it or not top quality mic skills are what sells. You think Hogan is one of the all time biggest draws, and names, in wrestling history cause he can wrestle? Hell no. The guy is awful in the ring and has been pretty much his whole career. But he can talk. That's what draws people to the shows. That's what puts up the ratings and sells the PPV buy rates that are crazy.

Now in the case of Austin it's actually really unfair that he doesn't get more credit and it's another by product of young folks, like yourself, having no idea bout him outside of his Stone Cold run.

Got back and watch some WCW footage of him as 'Stunning' Steve Austin, especially his work in the Hollywood Blonds with Brian Pillman. Steve could actually wrestle pretty darn good. He was a darn solid wrestler.

The thing was he didn't need it. It wasn't needed for him to get over. What got him over was being brilliant on the mic, drinking beer, kicking ***, and flipping the bird. But he could actually go in the ring if they'd let him.

AJ is a terrible example for that, he is arguably the most over performer in TNA.


http://www.wrestlingforum.com/total-nonstop-action-wrestling/547701-your-5-favorite-wrestlers-tna.html


90% of the people there list AJ in their top 5, and probably around 70% have him as their #1.

AJ is over, and he's not as bad as you make him seem to be on the mic. I know of Steve's work outside of the "stone cold" gimmick, but even at his best he was nowhere near a Shawn Michael's in he ring, but i'd take Stone Cold over The Rock everyday. I never really liked the Rock all that much, ever.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I think I posted this once but oh well..funny you would say that about Rock. Jericho said he's the best wrestler he's ever been in the ring with.

Taker says HHH is the best...

and Ric Flair is respected universally by his peers. Shame he needs money and is pimping himself out these days. He can't wrestle anymore but he still does. Well he tries anyway..I'll always have massive respect for Flair no matter what.

Yet if Jericho wanted to put on a 5 star match, who's he going to call?

AJ Styles, Kurt Angle or Shawn Michael's

(Styles-Jericho will most likely never happen, but would be an AMAZING feud. They could putup a match similar to Michaels-Jericho at WM19, and don't even get me started on a Michaels-Styles match/feud, that would be pure gold)

if Taker wants to put on a 5 star match, who's he going to call?

Kurt Angle, Shawn Michaels or Chris Jericho.

[Ren]

Austin & Rock while entertaining aren't in my top 10. I prefer good in-ring wrestling which is why i'd take Michaels & Jericho over Austin & Rock.

That's my opinion, and it's certainly not a popular one.

Watch the Mexican stuff CMLL and AAA, as far as in ring stuff goes nothing tops it

[Romo 2 Austin]

Watch the Mexican stuff CMLL and AAA, as far as in ring stuff goes nothing tops it

I do watch some on youtube when i'm bored, Mistico (now Sin Cara) was my favorite, watched alot of his stuff. Can't stand Dos Cara's JR, bored the hell out of me (now Alberto Del Rio).


Currently i've been watching alot of ROH, they have rebuilt their roster to a point where its got a ton of interesting young guns again, like when they had Punk, Danielson, Hernandez, Homicide, McGuiness a few years back.

Edwards, Richards, Bennett, Castanogli, Hero, The Briscoes'. Great core of a roster right now.



and mike bennett- http://www.rohwrestling.com/mikebennett.php

http://www.rohwrestling.com/mikebennett.jpg

tell me he doesn't look like a future WWE superstar, he's really raw right now and he's still better than Miz or Del Rio, no doubt. Barring anything unexpected, Mike Bennett will be headlining a Mania or Bound for Glory within a few years.

[BraveHeartFan]

AJ is a terrible example for that, he is arguably the most over performer in TNA.


http://www.wrestlingforum.com/total-nonstop-action-wrestling/547701-your-5-favorite-wrestlers-tna.html


90% of the people there list AJ in their top 5, and probably around 70% have him as their #1.

AJ is over, and he's not as bad as you make him seem to be on the mic. I know of Steve's work outside of the "stone cold" gimmick, but even at his best he was nowhere near a Shawn Michael's in he ring, but i'd take Stone Cold over The Rock everyday. I never really liked the Rock all that much, ever.

I'd take Austin over The Rock as well, in the over all. I don't disagree with that.

And I'd love to give AJ more credit on the mic but I just can't. The guy is just not good, at all, at it. It's just plain painful to listen to. He's not as bad as Morgan or ADR on the mic but God is he painful to listen to.

And the butchering he did of the Ric Flair type gimmick was just absolutely terrible. Some of hte worst stuff I've ever seen.

And of course Austin isn't near HBK, there are only a small handful who even realistically were. That's just plain silly.

The AJ comparison is perfect cause he's the most over guy in TNA and is not, and never will, the draw for TNA that Austin or The Rock were for the WWE.

Hell he's not even going to be the draw that The Rock could be for the WWE again, right now, if he cameback full time. It's not even close.

Which was my point and why he fit the comparison perfectly.


Watch the Mexican stuff CMLL and AAA, as far as in ring stuff goes nothing tops it

Exactly.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I'd take Austin over The Rock as well, in the over all. I don't disagree with that.

And I'd love to give AJ more credit on the mic but I just can't. The guy is just not good, at all, at it. It's just plain painful to listen to. He's not as bad as Morgan or ADR on the mic but God is he painful to listen to.

And the butchering he did of the Ric Flair type gimmick was just absolutely terrible. Some of hte worst stuff I've ever seen.

And of course Austin isn't near HBK, there are only a small handful who even realistically were. That's just plain silly.

The AJ comparison is perfect cause he's the most over guy in TNA and is not, and never will, the draw for TNA that Austin or The Rock were for the WWE.

Hell he's not even going to be the draw that The Rock could be for the WWE again, right now, if he cameback full time. It's not even close.

Which was my point and why he fit the comparison perfectly.




Exactly.


3 people have drawn on that level:
The Rock, Hulk Hogan & Steve Austin.


AJ Styles, is a draw. Usually the quarter breakdown his segment is the highest rated of the night, his segments are usually .2-.3 higher than anything else on the card, I remember a show around 2 months back AJ's segment was around a 1.54 and the second highest thing of the night was 1.3 and I was like wow that rating would've been horid if AJ wasn't on the card.


AJ Styles, while never will be on the level of the rock, hogan or austin, is in the top 5 draws in wrestling today. He is more popular than probably anyone outside of Randy Orton & John Cena that is wrestling full time right now. TNA took him off tv for a month, and his return the crowd goes CRAZY when he comes back, people posting on forum's waiting for him to come back. Is he great on the mic? No, far from it. But he's "serviceable" on the mic, and imo it adds to him, it makes him feel more "real" and whatever he is doing is obviously working as he was PWIllustrated's #1 wrestler on the PWI500 last year.

[DallasGirl50]

Yet if Jericho wanted to put on a 5 star match, who's he going to call?

AJ Styles, Kurt Angle or Shawn Michael's

(Styles-Jericho will most likely never happen, but would be an AMAZING feud. They could putup a match similar to Michaels-Jericho at WM19, and don't even get me started on a Michaels-Styles match/feud, that would be pure gold)

if Taker wants to put on a 5 star match, who's he going to call?

Kurt Angle, Shawn Michaels or Chris Jericho.

Jericho has been vocal about his dislike of TNA..the odds of him ever being in the ring with Styles or Angle is zero...and the odds of him ever working with Shawn is somewhere minus that. Remember Shawn is retired..you seem to keep forgetting that.

I doubt Taker would call any of the guys you mentioned either..Angle is gone and is on his last run. Read son..read...Kurt has said in several interviews his body is giving out quickly. He works when he can and that's it....he's hurt all the time just like most of the older guys. SHAWN IS RETIRED. Jericho is not one of Taker's favorite people in the world...but there is respect for Chris.

[zrinkill]

Jericho calls TNA bush league

[DallasGirl50]

Jericho calls TNA bush league


Yep..he's vocal about it. He can afford to say whatever he wants; he has multiple sources of income and I almost feel Chris just sort of wrestles for fun these days WHEN he wrestles that is.

[big dog cowboy]

Jericho calls TNA bush league

I see no evidence to believe he is wrong.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Jericho has been vocal about his dislike of TNA..the odds of him ever being in the ring with Styles or Angle is zero...and the odds of him ever working with Shawn is somewhere minus that. Remember Shawn is retired..you seem to keep forgetting that.

I doubt Taker would call any of the guys you mentioned either..Angle is gone and is on his last run. Read son..read...Kurt has said in several interviews his body is giving out quickly. He works when he can and that's it....he's hurt all the time just like most of the older guys. SHAWN IS RETIRED. Jericho is not one of Taker's favorite people in the world...but there is respect for Chris.

Shawn will do another match, just a matter of time.


and if Taker wanted a 5star match the only 5 people that work in the U.S that could provide it to him are Shawn Michaels, Bryan Danielson, Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho or AJ Styles. They are the 5 best in ring workers in the US. In that order, pretty much.

[DallasGirl50]

Shawn will do another match, just a matter of time.


and if Taker wanted a 5star match the only 5 people that work in the U.S that could provide it to him are Shawn Michaels, Bryan Danielson, Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho or AJ Styles. They are the 5 best in ring workers in the US. In that order, pretty much.


Shawn is retired and I see nothing from his interviews that would indicate he has any interest in "another match"....so

Taker has wrestled his last match against Shawn...I doubt he cares about wrestling Bryan...Kurt and Taker are done...and he'll never ever wrestle AJ.
He doesn't care for Jericho so if he's cherry picking opponents it won't be Chris.

How exactly is Shawn "working" in the US currently when he hasn't wrestled in over a year...and I have to laugh at you putting Bryan in any top 5. He's not even top 5 in his own federation.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Shawn is retired and I see nothing from his interviews that would indicate he has any interest in "another match"....so

Taker has wrestled his last match against Shawn...I doubt he cares about wrestling Bryan...Kurt and Taker are done...and he'll never ever wrestle AJ.
He doesn't care for Jericho so if he's cherry picking opponents it won't be Chris.

How exactly is Shawn "working" in the US currently when he hasn't wrestled in over a year...and I have to laugh at you putting Bryan in any top 5. He's not even top 5 in his own federation.

You've obviously never seen Danielson work before he came to WWE. He is arguably the only performer close to Michael's level.

Shawn will wrestle again because at 45 year's old, he has too long to go to never get the itch to wrestle another match. He trained Danielson who should have a bright future in the WWE, and when he's a main eventer it'd be very easy to do a Trainer vs Trainee feud, and it would draw huge $$$.

[Aikmaniac]

Who is this Bryan Danielson roody poo?

[Romo 2 Austin]

Who is this Bryan Danielson roody poo?

WWE changed his name to the more than stupid sounding "Daniel Bryan" so they could own the copyrights.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Danielson

watch some of his stuff from his pre-WWE days.



His matches on the indys vs Nigel McGuiness (Desmond Wolfe in TNA now) are great.

[DallasGirl50]

You've obviously never seen Danielson work before he came to WWE. He is arguably the only performer close to Michael's level.

Shawn will wrestle again because at 45 year's old, he has too long to go to never get the itch to wrestle another match. He trained Danielson who should have a bright future in the WWE, and when he's a main eventer it'd be very easy to do a Trainer vs Trainee feud, and it would draw huge $$$.

I never heard of him before he came to WWE so yea you're right about that..I do know from watching that he's an ok wrestler..but he gets no pop..no nothing. They tried him with the divas..nothing. He's just another guy on there to me. Nothing special. Just because Shawn trained him doesn't mean he's the next big star although I know you'll never see that since you worship at the altar of Shawn.

Shawn best have the name of a good divorce attorney if he comes back to wrestling..since you are so much of a Shawn fan you should know he quit because his wife wanted him home to be a husband and father. She was tired of being a single parent he said. I think he made the right choice. He's older than most of the guys on there..it was time. He's been wrestling for decades.

[RoyTheHammer]

I never heard of him before he came to WWE so yea you're right about that..I do know from watching that he's an ok wrestler..but he gets no pop..no nothing. They tried him with the divas..nothing. He's just another guy on there to me. Nothing special. Just because Shawn trained him doesn't mean he's the next big star although I know you'll never see that since you worship at the altar of Shawn.

Shawn best have the name of a good divorce attorney if he comes back to wrestling..since you are so much of a Shawn fan you should know he quit because his wife wanted him home to be a husband and father. She was tired of being a single parent he said. I think he made the right choice. He's older than most of the guys on there..it was time. He's been wrestling for decades.

Another good post from DallasGirl here. I have to say i enjoy reading your posts in this thread. You seem pretty darn knowledgable about everything you talk about and you discuss things in an unbiased manner.

Have to say the same thing about Daniel Bryan. There's no way he'd ever be in WM against Taker. Especially for the 20-0. He just gets no pop or interest from the fans at all. He has no personality, and doesn't do mic work well at all. It would never happen.

[DallasGirl50]

Another good post from DallasGirl here. I have to say i enjoy reading your posts in this thread. You seem pretty darn knowledgable about everything you talk about and you discuss things in an unbiased manner.

Have to say the same thing about Daniel Bryan. There's no way he'd ever be in WM against Taker. Especially for the 20-0. He just gets no pop or interest from the fans at all. He has no personality, and doesn't do mic work well at all. It would never happen.


Well thanks..I enjoy wrestling and have for many many years so it's fun to discuss...

I don't want to diss this Bryan guy but just because Shawn trained him doesn't mean squat once the cameras are on. I think he's an ok wrestler but there is nothing appealing about him at the moment. One's trainer doesn't make somebody a star automatically. Unless something changes drastically and everybody on the roster gets hurt there is no way I can see Taker wrestling him at a WM. Who would buy that? Shawn maybe....

[Romo 2 Austin]

Well thanks..I enjoy wrestling and have for many many years so it's fun to discuss...

I don't want to diss this Bryan guy but just because Shawn trained him doesn't mean squat once the cameras are on. I think he's an ok wrestler but there is nothing appealing about him at the moment. One's trainer doesn't make somebody a star automatically. Unless something changes drastically and everybody on the roster gets hurt there is no way I can see Taker wrestling him at a WM. Who would buy that? Shawn maybe....

Well if you've never seen Bryan Danielson work on the indys, you won't understand.

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The guy is awe-inspiring, and the fact that Michael's trained him only makes him greater than he already is, which is great.

[DallasGirl50]

Well if you've never seen Bryan Danielson work on the indys, you won't understand.

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The guy is awe-inspiring, and the fact that Michael's trained him only makes him greater than he already is, which is great.


Please..don't talk down to me. I've been a fan of wrestling for more years than you've been on the earth. I understand wrestling...I understand how over a wrestler is or isn't. I've seen him on TV and he gets no reaction. The odds of him working a main event with Taker are probably nil at the moment. He doesn't have much personality....or let me say this it doesn't translate over the TV screen at the moment.

Just because Shawn trained him means nothing if he himself isn't exciting and he isn't. Yet..perhaps he will be in the future but he's certainly nothing to draw fans in. And while we're at it..how is this for you....Taker trained Kane but Kane/Glenn only made it because HE had what it took to be a viable performer. HHH has worked with Sheamus. Wrestlers make it because of WHO THEY ARE not who trains them...

[Romo 2 Austin]

Please..don't talk down to me. I've been a fan of wrestling for more years than you've been on the earth. I understand wrestling...I understand how over a wrestler is or isn't. I've seen him on TV and he gets no reaction. The odds of him working a main event with Taker are probably nil at the moment. He doesn't have much personality....or let me say this it doesn't translate over the TV screen at the moment.

Just because Shawn trained him means nothing if he himself isn't exciting and he isn't. Yet..perhaps he will be in the future but he's certainly nothing to draw fans in. And while we're at it..how is this for you....Taker trained Kane but Kane/Glenn only made it because HE had what it took to be a viable performer. HHH has worked with Sheamus. Wrestlers make it because of WHO THEY ARE not who trains them...

I just mentioned that Shawn trained him, Danielson will make it on his own merit.

Although I said when it occurred, Danielson looks to me a better fit in TNA, while McGuinness would've been a much better fit in WWE. McGunniess has that larger than life charisma, while Danielson doesn't.

[zrinkill]

Please..don't talk down to me. I've been a fan of wrestling for more years than you've been on the earth. I understand wrestling...I understand how over a wrestler is or isn't. I've seen him on TV and he gets no reaction. The odds of him working a main event with Taker are probably nil at the moment. He doesn't have much personality....or let me say this it doesn't translate over the TV screen at the moment.

Just because Shawn trained him means nothing if he himself isn't exciting and he isn't. Yet..perhaps he will be in the future but he's certainly nothing to draw fans in. And while we're at it..how is this for you....Taker trained Kane but Kane/Glenn only made it because HE had what it took to be a viable performer. HHH has worked with Sheamus. Wrestlers make it because of WHO THEY ARE not who trains them...


Damnnnnnnnn

Put the kid in his place.

[DallasGirl50]

Damnnnnnnnn

Put the kid in his place.

I didn't mean it to come out that way... Face it I'm an old coot compared to him. :p:

I've got ticket stubs older than he is!

Which is kind of funny if you think about it....

[zrinkill]

I didn't mean it to come out that way...

You should have ......

[RoyTheHammer]

Well if you've never seen Bryan Danielson work on the indys, you won't understand.


The guy is awe-inspiring, and the fact that Michael's trained him only makes him greater than he already is, which is great.

No offense bud.. but its you that doesn't understand.

No one is saying he isn't a good wrestler. Clearly he must be, beacuse that's the only thing keeping him in the WWE at all. He has no personality, no charisma, nothing that makes himself stand out or draw much interest from fans.

That's why he has no chance of facing Taker.. NO CHANCE.

[Romo 2 Austin]

No offense bud.. but its you that doesn't understand.

No one is saying he isn't a good wrestler. Clearly he must be, beacuse that's the only thing keeping him in the WWE at all. He has no personality, no charisma, nothing that makes himself stand out or draw much interest from fans.

That's why he has no chance of facing Taker.. NO CHANCE.

He showed great personality and promise as "Mr.ROH", he had a unique charisma around him. In WWE he hasn't shown enough yet, but he is misfit in WWE. He would be better fit back in ROH, or in TNA.

[RoyTheHammer]

He showed great personality and promise as "Mr.ROH", he had a unique charisma around him. In WWE he hasn't shown enough yet, but he is misfit in WWE. He would be better fit back in ROH, or in TNA.

At least you understand that in the WWE he hasn't shown anything to stand out.

[BraveHeartFan]

Shawn will do another match, just a matter of time.


and if Taker wanted a 5star match the only 5 people that work in the U.S that could provide it to him are Shawn Michaels, Bryan Danielson, Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho or AJ Styles. They are the 5 best in ring workers in the US. In that order, pretty much.


I actually don't think Shawn will do another match. I think he's done.

Bryan is a really good wrestler, I agree with you there as I've said before, but he will not ever be main eventing a WM with Taker cause as a couple others already pointed out he has zero personality and it will keep him from getting over to that level in WWE. Really good in-ring stuff with zero personality and he gets next to no reaction at all.

He would fit better in ROH, where he was, where character and personality aren't as important cause they're not trying to sell ratings and buy rates to the masses. That's why a guy like him can really get over in ROH but won't be much more than a mid card guy in WWE. Mic skills are simply too important to getting over in the main stream.


And the fact that you left HHH out, as if he is incapable of having 5 star matches, is idiotic. Same with Punk. If you don't think Punk could put on a hell of a show with Taker then you're crazy. In fact something with Punk would sell 5x what something with AJ would in a feud with Taker cause Punk has personality and mic skills.

[big dog cowboy]

Please..don't talk down to me. I've been a fan of wrestling for more years than you've been on the earth. I understand wrestling...I understand how over a wrestler is or isn't. I've seen him on TV and he gets no reaction. The odds of him working a main event with Taker are probably nil at the moment. He doesn't have much personality....or let me say this it doesn't translate over the TV screen at the moment.

Just because Shawn trained him means nothing if he himself isn't exciting and he isn't. Yet..perhaps he will be in the future but he's certainly nothing to draw fans in. And while we're at it..how is this for you....Taker trained Kane but Kane/Glenn only made it because HE had what it took to be a viable performer. HHH has worked with Sheamus. Wrestlers make it because of WHO THEY ARE not who trains them...
This is brilliant.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I actually don't think Shawn will do another match. I think he's done.

Bryan is a really good wrestler, I agree with you there as I've said before, but he will not ever be main eventing a WM with Taker cause as a couple others already pointed out he has zero personality and it will keep him from getting over to that level in WWE. Really good in-ring stuff with zero personality and he gets next to no reaction at all.

He would fit better in ROH, where he was, where character and personality aren't as important cause they're not trying to sell ratings and buy rates to the masses. That's why a guy like him can really get over in ROH but won't be much more than a mid card guy in WWE. Mic skills are simply too important to getting over in the main stream.


And the fact that you left HHH out, as if he is incapable of having 5 star matches, is idiotic. Same with Punk. If you don't think Punk could put on a hell of a show with Taker then you're crazy. In fact something with Punk would sell 5x what something with AJ would in a feud with Taker cause Punk has personality and mic skills.

AJ v. Taker would pop a bigger buy rate because TNA has quite a bit of fans that would buy that wouldn't buy if it was Punk v. Taker, although now that you mention it i'd love to see a Punk vs Taker feud before Taker hangs it up.


Punk, yea he would probably come in after those 5, Triple H is probably top 10 too but he's not the greatest technical wrestler, but he can put on a great match really knows how to develop a story in a match.

[zrinkill]

Undertaker wrestling a jobber would not produce excitement.

It needs to be someone from the big leagues.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Undertaker wrestling a jobber would not produce excitement.

It needs to be someone from the big leagues.

So, one of the talentless people that Vince tells you is good, rather than a world-class wrestler?


OKAY!

[Yeagermeister]

Taker vs AJ would be a house show match not a PPV match.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Taker vs AJ would be a house show match not a PPV match.

:laugh2: Now that's a joke.

[Yeagermeister]

:laugh2: Now that's a joke.

Only to you to everyone it's the truth

[Romo 2 Austin]

Only to you to everyone it's the truth

?????
Define everyone



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Wrestling_Illustrated

You mean the largest wrestling magazine, which ranks him as the #1 wrestler in the world based on a combination of Wrestling, Promos, Drawing ability and pretty much everything that matters? I'd love to see how you disregard that by saying AJ should be on houseshows if he is regarded as the #1 wrestler in the world?

[daschoo]

You should have ......

he's 16, whats your excuse?
honestly thread after thread of the 2 of you arguing the same bloody thing constantly. think most folk have got that you think tna is not worth anything and he hates del rio and the miz, does it honestly need to be rehashed for 5 pages any time the word wrestling is mentioned?

[Ren]

he's 16, whats your excuse?
honestly thread after thread of the 2 of you arguing the same bloody thing constantly. think most folk have got that you think tna is not worth anything and he hates del rio and the miz, does it honestly need to be rehashed for 5 pages any time the word wrestling is mentioned?

NFL offseason + lockout, if they don't go at it there's literally nothing to talk about until the draft :laugh2:

[Romo 2 Austin]

he's 16, whats your excuse?
honestly thread after thread of the 2 of you arguing the same bloody thing constantly. think most folk have got that you think tna is not worth anything and he hates del rio and the miz, does it honestly need to be rehashed for 5 pages any time the word wrestling is mentioned?

17 :p, No. It doesn't, I'm just defending my opinion and he's calling me out continuesly, and he did it with RoytheHammer aswell.

[zrinkill]

Taker vs AJ would be a house show match not a PPV match.

:bow:

[zrinkill]

whats your excuse?


What is yours?

Oh wait ..... I remember you.

[daschoo]

What is yours?

Oh wait ..... I remember you.

my excuse for?

[BraveHeartFan]

AJ v. Taker would pop a bigger buy rate because TNA has quite a bit of fans that would buy that wouldn't buy if it was Punk v. Taker, although now that you mention it i'd love to see a Punk vs Taker feud before Taker hangs it up.


Punk, yea he would probably come in after those 5, Triple H is probably top 10 too but he's not the greatest technical wrestler, but he can put on a great match really knows how to develop a story in a match.


Thats correct about HHH. he is great at things other than the technical, know how to do a million moves, stuff. He's great at the stuff that I often find very under-rated in wrestling.

Developing a story in the match is one of the things that I actually always did think Bret Hart was great at.

And lets not be crazy here people. AJ vs. Taker wouldn't be a houseshow match. If the WWE brought him in as AJ Styles he would be more than house show fodder at this point.

He would not, however, ever be the choice to face Taker in a WM match. Sorry R2A but he just wouldn't have that kind of pull at this point to be worthy of a match with Taker on the biggest stage.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Thats correct about HHH. he is great at things other than the technical, know how to do a million moves, stuff. He's great at the stuff that I often find very under-rated in wrestling.

Developing a story in the match is one of the things that I actually always did think Bret Hart was great at.

And lets not be crazy here people. AJ vs. Taker wouldn't be a houseshow match. If the WWE brought him in as AJ Styles he would be more than house show fodder at this point.

He would not, however, ever be the choice to face Taker in a WM match. Sorry R2A but he just wouldn't have that kind of pull at this point to be worthy of a match with Taker on the biggest stage.

IMO HHH and HBK are the best at developing the story of the match, especially when HHH is playing the heel he is great at it.


and AJ vs Taker could main event a Mania if in this fantasy world WWE bought TNA and did another invasion storyline, it'd be TNA's biggest star vs WWE's biggest star. Although in that case it'd probably be Styles vs Cena, but Styles vs Taker would probably be discussed aswell as the main feud in this fictional "invasion".


If that scenario arises where WWE buys out TNA(the only way I see Styles going to WWE, he has a job for life with TNA, he's the most over performer in the company and he's a permanent main eventer. He also works alot less dates than he would with WWE & makes probably makes more money than he would going to WWE, I don't think Vince would make the same mistake twice as just using an invasion to stroke his ego, I believe it'd probably be a 2 year feud thats highly entertaining. It'd draw a ton of money if done right, they left alot on the table with the WCW/ECW invasion.

[BraveHeartFan]

IMO HHH and HBK are the best at developing the story of the match, especially when HHH is playing the heel he is great at it.


and AJ vs Taker could main event a Mania if in this fantasy world WWE bought TNA and did another invasion storyline, it'd be TNA's biggest star vs WWE's biggest star. Although in that case it'd probably be Styles vs Cena, but Styles vs Taker would probably be discussed aswell as the main feud in this fictional "invasion".


If that scenario arises where WWE buys out TNA(the only way I see Styles going to WWE, he has a job for life with TNA, he's the most over performer in the company and he's a permanent main eventer. He also works alot less dates than he would with WWE & makes probably makes more money than he would going to WWE, I don't think Vince would make the same mistake twice as just using an invasion to stroke his ego, I believe it'd probably be a 2 year feud thats highly entertaining. It'd draw a ton of money if done right, they left alot on the table with the WCW/ECW invasion.


I agree they left a lot on the table. A whole lot.

Another invasion? Eh...maybe. Maybe not. I'm sorry but to me the current TNA roster doesn't boast the over all talent that the WCW one did back when they bought it out and, lets not forget, that they had the luxury of putting the ECW guys in with the WCW guys giving them even more star power.


TNA would be seriously hampered in this regard for a variety of reasons. They don't have the same level of talent, overall, that WCW did back then and when you start looking at the roster and picking out the people who Vince wouldn't bring in, or who wouldn't even come anyway, and the talent pool is thinned considerably.

First let me say this before getting into this other part...if the entire TNA roster came over the choice wouldn't be Styles it would be Sting. Hands down, far and away, that's who they'd go with vs. Taker at WM. Sorry but that's a fact. Much greater draw, overall, to the entire wrestling fan base than an AJ match would.

Now lets talk about why the invasion would be very watered down.

1. Sting wouldn't come. So there goes the match with Taker and there goes a main event player.

2. Angle probably wouldn't be retained. Due to his drug and drinking problems being why he is out of the WWE in the first place I doubt they'd give him a go at this point. Down 2.

3. Jeff Hardy wouldn't be brought over. No way. Too many mistakes, to many blown chances in WWE. He's out. Down 3.

4. AJ would be brought in and would be a face to be used against a big face, or something of that nature against the WWE. more than likely you're right you'd see Styles vs. Cena (and Styles would be promotly squashed in that you can bet your last dollar on it). That would eliminate a match at Mania with Taker and would effectively kill AJ as a legit ME force against the WWE. Down 4.

5. This leaves probably Abyss vs. Taker but I can't imagine that a WM match would be wasted on that.

6. That leaves you a ME roster of...Jeff Jarrett, Samoa Joe, and Kennedy. Kennedy would be retained, and if he could stay healthy would eventually be pushed again as a top guy like they wanted in WWE. Joe would eventually be pushed, he could even eventually be a ME player of some kind for the WWE. Jarrett wouldn't even be retained. He'd be unemployed. Again.


There simply wouldn't be enough star power, given those factors, for an invasion to even remotely work, even if Vince was interested in making it work.

Now Beer Money would come in and do good and be the top tag team, cause they're the best going today in wrestling, and the WWE would probably put the Dudleys back together and you could have a nice little division for a while. But that's it.

And all those X-Division guys? Outside of like Daniels and Kaz, possibly the guy who was doing the Macho Man rip off who I now can't recall his real name, would be the only ones that would even remotely make in the WWE. The rest would be fodder, at best, if they were even retained short term.

Morgan would be retained to be a mid card, at best, jobber of a big man but he's not much better, IMHO, than he was in the WWE and he already failed there.

In short, or long winded I guess, I just don't see an invasion thing working at all, on any level, with TNA as it currently stands.

[big dog cowboy]

the WWE would probably put the Dudleys back together

:pray:

[Ren]

WWE would probably put the Dudleys back together and you could have a nice little division for a while. But that's it.



If they got those 2 tag teams then they'd have a total of 2, it's not really a division even then more a 2-3 PPV feud if they really push it.
The tag team situation in the WWE is a mess

Overall there's just 2 many belts now the world title and the WWE title are really the only once that matter. It's never going to happen but the WWE would be much better if they dropped half of them. That would give titles like the tag title some meaning again, right now it's more of a curse then reward. Tag title matches don't even main event Raw/smackdown any more so if you get them you'll be lucky to see a PPV bonus again any time soon

[DallasGirl50]

The white Dudley guy..Bubba or whatever he goes by these days..is despised by the whole WWE lockerroom...even Foley can't stand him. I would say with HHH more in control backstage they'd never bring them back.

[BraveHeartFan]

The white Dudley guy..Bubba or whatever he goes by these days..is despised by the whole WWE lockerroom...even Foley can't stand him. I would say with HHH more in control backstage they'd never bring them back.


That's quite possible.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I agree they left a lot on the table. A whole lot.

Another invasion? Eh...maybe. Maybe not. I'm sorry but to me the current TNA roster doesn't boast the over all talent that the WCW one did back when they bought it out and, lets not forget, that they had the luxury of putting the ECW guys in with the WCW guys giving them even more star power.


TNA would be seriously hampered in this regard for a variety of reasons. They don't have the same level of talent, overall, that WCW did back then and when you start looking at the roster and picking out the people who Vince wouldn't bring in, or who wouldn't even come anyway, and the talent pool is thinned considerably.

First let me say this before getting into this other part...if the entire TNA roster came over the choice wouldn't be Styles it would be Sting. Hands down, far and away, that's who they'd go with vs. Taker at WM. Sorry but that's a fact. Much greater draw, overall, to the entire wrestling fan base than an AJ match would.

Now lets talk about why the invasion would be very watered down.

1. Sting wouldn't come. So there goes the match with Taker and there goes a main event player.

2. Angle probably wouldn't be retained. Due to his drug and drinking problems being why he is out of the WWE in the first place I doubt they'd give him a go at this point. Down 2.

3. Jeff Hardy wouldn't be brought over. No way. Too many mistakes, to many blown chances in WWE. He's out. Down 3.

4. AJ would be brought in and would be a face to be used against a big face, or something of that nature against the WWE. more than likely you're right you'd see Styles vs. Cena (and Styles would be promotly squashed in that you can bet your last dollar on it). That would eliminate a match at Mania with Taker and would effectively kill AJ as a legit ME force against the WWE. Down 4.

5. This leaves probably Abyss vs. Taker but I can't imagine that a WM match would be wasted on that.

6. That leaves you a ME roster of...Jeff Jarrett, Samoa Joe, and Kennedy. Kennedy would be retained, and if he could stay healthy would eventually be pushed again as a top guy like they wanted in WWE. Joe would eventually be pushed, he could even eventually be a ME player of some kind for the WWE. Jarrett wouldn't even be retained. He'd be unemployed. Again.


There simply wouldn't be enough star power, given those factors, for an invasion to even remotely work, even if Vince was interested in making it work.

Now Beer Money would come in and do good and be the top tag team, cause they're the best going today in wrestling, and the WWE would probably put the Dudleys back together and you could have a nice little division for a while. But that's it.

And all those X-Division guys? Outside of like Daniels and Kaz, possibly the guy who was doing the Macho Man rip off who I now can't recall his real name, would be the only ones that would even remotely make in the WWE. The rest would be fodder, at best, if they were even retained short term.

Morgan would be retained to be a mid card, at best, jobber of a big man but he's not much better, IMHO, than he was in the WWE and he already failed there.

In short, or long winded I guess, I just don't see an invasion thing working at all, on any level, with TNA as it currently stands.


Sting would probably go if he'll be pushed as a main eventer, and Angle most likely would be retained, all those years ago he requested his release. Jeff Hardy I doubt would be retained in a main event role, but it is possible they would bring him back if he is clean and team him with Matt.

The way I would see a "invasion" angle going would pretty much undoubtedly have Kurt Angle turn against TNA and side with the WWE.

Sting-Undertaker
Joe-Angle
Styles-Cena

would probably be the 3 main programs they would run with, and then of course there would be other programs under those and there would be those 5 man tag matches etc;. This would leave most likely Randy Orton to lead the WWE team and Mr.Anderson/Kennedy to leave the TNA team.


While you mention the possibility of them burying Styles in a Cena feud, that would be the wrong decision and I don't think they would go that way, in that scenario Cena would lose absolutely nothing by having Styles go over in the feud, and it would establish a 32 year old as a Main Eventer in the eyes of the WWE fans, something WWE desperately needs. You also left out Rob Van Dam in your post, and you left out Hernandez aswell who I personally believe is a MUCH better fit in WWE than in TNA, and 'the pope' D'angelo Dinero has the charisma and has improved to the point in the ring where he would easily get accepted as a main eventer in the WWE. I don't know why you dislike Morgan, he is very entertaining on the mic and is really impressive in the ring for a big man.

[BraveHeartFan]

Sting would probably go if he'll be pushed as a main eventer, and Angle most likely would be retained, all those years ago he requested his release. Jeff Hardy I doubt would be retained in a main event role, but it is possible they would bring him back if he is clean and team him with Matt.

The way I would see a "invasion" angle going would pretty much undoubtedly have Kurt Angle turn against TNA and side with the WWE.

Sting-Undertaker
Joe-Angle
Styles-Cena

would probably be the 3 main programs they would run with, and then of course there would be other programs under those and there would be those 5 man tag matches etc;. This would leave most likely Randy Orton to lead the WWE team and Mr.Anderson/Kennedy to leave the TNA team.


While you mention the possibility of them burying Styles in a Cena feud, that would be the wrong decision and I don't think they would go that way, in that scenario Cena would lose absolutely nothing by having Styles go over in the feud, and it would establish a 32 year old as a Main Eventer in the eyes of the WWE fans, something WWE desperately needs. You also left out Rob Van Dam in your post, and you left out Hernandez aswell who I personally believe is a MUCH better fit in WWE than in TNA, and 'the pope' D'angelo Dinero has the charisma and has improved to the point in the ring where he would easily get accepted as a main eventer in the WWE. I don't know why you dislike Morgan, he is very entertaining on the mic and is really impressive in the ring for a big man.

Sting has had numerous chances to go to the WWE and has never done it. I don't see that changing. I just don't think he likes Vince, or the schedule, and simply wouldn't do it.

I really, really, really doubt Angle would get back in. He's burned a major bridge with Vince, from what I understand, but then Vince has been known to bring folks back anyway. So it's possible I just dont think likely.

Jeff wouldnt be brought back for a long time. A long time. Cause he's screwed himself multiple times over with that company.

The same thing goes for RVD. I left him out cause I can see the WWE passing on him due to him screwing up his World Title push by getting busted for drugs. Though I wouldn't be surprised by him being brought back.

Hernandez probably would be a much better fit in WWE. I can see that working to some small degree.

The reason i say that about AJ has nothing to do with smart or right or wrong. It has everything to do with how I've seen Vince work things in the past and I just wouldn't be shocked, in the least, if Vince booked it, or had it booked, for Cena to destroy AJ and thus kill the 'best' TNA had to offer. I just think that's how Vince would go about it. His ego getting in the way of better business.

Pope I forgot about him, I kinda like him, but if I recall correctly he's already been in WWE and didn't exactly wow the crowd. Doesn't mean he couldn't get there but thats why I forgot him.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Sting has had numerous chances to go to the WWE and has never done it. I don't see that changing. I just don't think he likes Vince, or the schedule, and simply wouldn't do it.

I really, really, really doubt Angle would get back in. He's burned a major bridge with Vince, from what I understand, but then Vince has been known to bring folks back anyway. So it's possible I just dont think likely.

Jeff wouldnt be brought back for a long time. A long time. Cause he's screwed himself multiple times over with that company.

The same thing goes for RVD. I left him out cause I can see the WWE passing on him due to him screwing up his World Title push by getting busted for drugs. Though I wouldn't be surprised by him being brought back.

Hernandez probably would be a much better fit in WWE. I can see that working to some small degree.

The reason i say that about AJ has nothing to do with smart or right or wrong. It has everything to do with how I've seen Vince work things in the past and I just wouldn't be shocked, in the least, if Vince booked it, or had it booked, for Cena to destroy AJ and thus kill the 'best' TNA had to offer. I just think that's how Vince would go about it. His ego getting in the way of better business.

Pope I forgot about him, I kinda like him, but if I recall correctly he's already been in WWE and didn't exactly wow the crowd. Doesn't mean he couldn't get there but thats why I forgot him.

Pope was booked as Elijah Burke in WWE, they didn't use him right. Its a rare case of Vince Russo actually finding something right for a performer. The guy is great in the ring and he has that Rock/Austin charisma where he can be talking about anything and its entertaining. Pope & Hernandez are the two TNA guys that would be much better off in WWE, especially in Hernandez's case, WWE are actively pushing Mexicans and its working they are drawing 9.0+ ratings for both SD and RAW down in Mexico and Hernandez is someone they could bring in as a monster heel and would be accepted rather easily by the audience, he has the ability and charisma to get over as a monster heel in the modern-WWE. His contract is coming up, and I would not be shocked at all to see him hop to WWE and get a monster push.

Your probably right that they would have Cena squash AJ if Vince is in charge, but if Triple H was in charge by that time I wouldn't be surprised at all to see AJ go over, as HHH would probably rather build a star than stroke his father in laws ego.

RVD would be welcomed back, they had him for one off appearances a few times after, he just doesn't want to work full time. The ball is in his court if he wants to go back, has been for a while.

Vince has forgiven alot worse than a wrestler lieing about why they wanted a release, Angle saying he wanted time to beat his addiction yet a few days after he was released it was announced he signed with TNA.


Sting, he used to say it is because he believed WWE would bury him, which he is probably right about. Now he says it's because he doesn't like the PG product, which is his opinion, but if they bought out TNA I don't think Sting would want to be sitting around, and doubt he would want to be working ROH for $1,500 a pop and doing conventions for $700 a weekend, his only choice would be WWE as its not like he can go put on 30 minute clinics in DGUSA or in Japan anymore.

[DallasGirl50]

That's quite possible.


I think Batista is the one who blasted Billy Ray the worse in his book. He said nobody liked the guy..that he was an ******* to everybody backstage..refused to help anybody coming up. I have heard and read that before from other wrestlers. The black guy..Devon..is very well liked by everybody.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I think Batista is the one who blasted Billy Ray the worse in his book. He said nobody liked the guy..that he was an ******* to everybody backstage..refused to help anybody coming up. I have heard and read that before from other wrestlers. The black guy..Devon..is very well liked by everybody.

Yep. It's sad though, Ray has a ton of charisma and really could've been a big singles star, TNA has recently been pushing him as a single heel he's been doing great in the role, shows what could've been though.

[DallasGirl50]

Yep. It's sad though, Ray has a ton of charisma and really could've been a big singles star, TNA has recently been pushing him as a single heel he's been doing great in the role, shows what could've been though.


Oh Lordy..I think he's one of the worse wrestlers I've ever seen in my life. I wouldn't cross the street to watch him in any incarnation..WWE, TNA, whatever. Can't stand to watch him.

[RoyTheHammer]

Oh Lordy..I think he's one of the worse wrestlers I've ever seen in my life. I wouldn't cross the street to watch him in any incarnation..WWE, TNA, whatever. Can't stand to watch him.

He was extremely popular in the WWE. If you watch him in his singles role, he actually isn't half bad. He's got the persona to play a pretty darn good heel.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I still can't believe TNA released Jay Lethal.


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He's still only 26, he'll get a developmental deal in WWE no doubt but he's on the small size, he's got a ton of charisma and is a better in-ring performer than 90% of the WWE roster so hopefully he can overcome it; It's outrageous to me that TNA would prefer to have people such as Gunner and Murphy on the roster over Jay Lethal.

[big dog cowboy]

I still can't believe TNA released Jay Lethal.

He's still only 26, he'll get a developmental deal in WWE no doubt but he's on the small size, he's got a ton of charisma and is a better in-ring performer than 90% of the WWE roster

Funny clip. But here is the problem I have, you could have stopped with your commentary and that would have been a great post. But, ONCE AGAIN, you choose to go further by getting a dig into the WWE talent. That line is bold wasn't needed at all. When you add unnecessary comments like that in your post, it takes away from the entire thing.

So instead of me thinking I should keep my eye out for Lethal going forward all I am thinking is :rolleyes: again after reading another one of your posts.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Funny clip. But here is the problem I have, you could have stopped with your commentary and that would have been a great post. But, ONCE AGAIN, you choose to go further by getting a dig into the WWE talent. That line is bold wasn't needed at all. When you add unnecessary comments like that in your post, it takes away from the entire thing.

So instead of me thinking I should keep my eye out for Lethal going forward all I am thinking is :rolleyes: again after reading another one of your posts.

It's not an outrageous claim if you watch Jay Lethal he is a fantastic worker, I would've ranked him in the top 5-7 in TNA, and WWE's roster includes a ton of people in FCW, I don't believe he'll be main eventing WWE ppvs, he never main evented TNA PPV's, he's just too small, but he could be a great mid carder/upper mid carder for years to come. He has the charisma and in ring ability to be a main eventer, he also has the "it" factor, and its not like he was making a ton of money. Huge mistake by TNA to release him, and WWE will most likely capitalize on it.


I added that 90% part because honestly its true, he's better than 90% of the people in TNA aswell. Lethal is great, that feud vs Flair is one of my favorite over the last few years it was hilarious. Lethal is probably one of the best 20 in ring workers in the world right now, and on the mic i'd honestly put him alot higher than that. He got that Black Machismo gimmick over a few years ago, and then he got really hot again during the Flair feud last year. He's brilliant on the mic as you saw during that promo.


I find this funny since I posted all this about lethal today:

With the release of Jay Lethal by TNA do you see WWE picking him up and trying to revive the "Black Machismo" angle with the possibility of a Randy Savage return as a manager type role since Savage's relationship with WWE has warmed in recent months?

I can see WWE picking up Lethal for a developmental deal, but not as the Black Machismo character. I think it's more likely that WWE would completely repackage him.
http://pwinsider.com/article/57325/kong-in-wwe-names-that-could-be-moved-to-smackdown-tnas-winter-storyline-and-more.html?p=1

[Ren]

It's not an outrageous claim if you watch Jay Lethal he is a fantastic worker, I would've ranked him in the top 5-7 in TNA, and WWE's roster includes a ton of people in FCW, I don't believe he'll be main eventing WWE ppvs, he never main evented TNA PPV's, he's just too small, but he could be a great mid carder/upper mid carder for years to come.




He'll be lucky to even get on a WWE PPV and that has nothing to do with how good he is. The only small guy that they consistently seem to put on PPVs is Mysterio who is terrible

[Romo 2 Austin]

He'll be lucky to even get on a WWE PPV and that has nothing to do with how good he is. The only small guy that they consistently seem to put on PPVs is Mysterio who is terrible

Lethal isn't as small as Mysterio.

Billed height 5 ft 10 in (1.78 m)[2]
Billed weight 225 lb (102 kg)[2

He's probably slightly smaller than that, but he's probably also slightly taller than Evan Bourne is, but he is as good as Bourne is as a worker and much more charismatic, and the fact that he is 26 will help him ton's. He is most likely the most experienced person 26 and younger in the business right now, he's been wrestling professionally since 2001(started at 16).

[DallasGirl50]

He was extremely popular in the WWE. If you watch him in his singles role, he actually isn't half bad. He's got the persona to play a pretty darn good heel.

I can't stand a thing about that dude..I don't watch him on TNA. IF I watch TNA at all it's to watch Sting and I haven't watched even him in several weeks. I know the Dudleys were there but could care less really. I don't like them and especially I don't like him.

[RoyTheHammer]

I can't stand a thing about that dude..I don't watch him on TNA. IF I watch TNA at all it's to watch Sting and I haven't watched even him in several weeks. I know the Dudleys were there but could care less really. I don't like them and especially I don't like him.

I understand you didn't care for him.. i was just saying that objectively, he was a very popular guy with the fans in the WWE. You know everybody loved the Dudley Boyz.

I actually wasn't as big a fan of him in the WWE as most, but in his new singles role, he's actually not half bad. He still shouldn't be a top guy, but he plays a pretty good heel. Just my opinion of course.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I understand you didn't care for him.. i was just saying that objectively, he was a very popular guy with the fans in the WWE. You know everybody loved the Dudley Boyz.

I actually wasn't as big a fan of him in the WWE as most, but in his new singles role, he's actually not half bad. He still shouldn't be a top guy, but he plays a pretty good heel. Just my opinion of course.

That segment with AJ last week was great.

[DallasGirl50]

I understand you didn't care for him.. i was just saying that objectively, he was a very popular guy with the fans in the WWE. You know everybody loved the Dudley Boyz.

I actually wasn't as big a fan of him in the WWE as most, but in his new singles role, he's actually not half bad. He still shouldn't be a top guy, but he plays a pretty good heel. Just my opinion of course.


Yea I get what you are saying..I have to say I'm an old fart. If I don't like somebody as a person I don't care for them much as a wrestler. I've heard and read too many things about him being an arse to make him likable to me even as a wrestler. That is a bit silly to judge him under that microscope but I do...

[BraveHeartFan]

I really like Jay Lethal. I'd love to see him in WWE and getting a good push.

[DallasGirl50]

I don't remember a thing about Lethal from TNA...but have heard he's signed or is going to sign with WWE.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I don't remember a thing about Lethal from TNA...but have heard he's signed or is going to sign with WWE.

Alot of backstage people have been campaigning for him to get signed. Hopefully Vince doesn't use it as an opportunity to make TNA look inferior by jobbing out Lethal.

[Romo 2 Austin]

For all those WWE's roster is more talented than TNA's, WWE's #1 performer now that Edge is gone, is about to leave the company aswell;


CM Punk is saying he may not resign at the end of the year, citing burn out from being on the road for 5 years.

[BraveHeartFan]

For all those WWE's roster is more talented than TNA's, WWE's #1 performer now that Edge is gone, is about to leave the company aswell;


CM Punk is saying he may not resign at the end of the year, citing burn out from being on the road for 5 years.


I think, like with the other thread where you and Zrin are arguing this stupid point to death, I'll wait and see if he signs, or not, before I bother to care.

Every time you turn around there are reports that so and so may not resign with where they are and then low and behold they do.

It's pointless to argue a fricken rumor.

[Aikmaniac]

The Rock back on Raw next week. Can't wait.

[big dog cowboy]

The Rock back on Raw next week. Can't wait.

Next Monday is really his birthday also.

[DallasGirl50]

I think, like with the other thread where you and Zrin are arguing this stupid point to death, I'll wait and see if he signs, or not, before I bother to care.

Every time you turn around there are reports that so and so may not resign with where they are and then low and behold they do.

It's pointless to argue a fricken rumor.


Particularly since Punk said it was a rumor.

[DallasGirl50]

Alot of backstage people have been campaigning for him to get signed. Hopefully Vince doesn't use it as an opportunity to make TNA look inferior by jobbing out Lethal.




IF he comes to WWE he won't be some major big star..and I doubt Vince will have much to do with his development anyway. That's HHH's department now. He has some fancy title but it's backstage work..developing and working with new guys..stories. Same as he's been doing for years.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Particularly since Punk said it was a rumor.

http://twitter.com/#!/CMPUNK


I don't see it anywhere on there (note he hasn't tweeted since Apirl 7th).

[Romo 2 Austin]

IF he comes to WWE he won't be some major big star..and I doubt Vince will have much to do with his development anyway. That's HHH's department now. He has some fancy title but it's backstage work..developing and working with new guys..stories. Same as he's been doing for years.

He's too small to be a major star in any company bigger than ROH, which is sad. He has the charisma & in ring ability. Hopefully he'll overcome it.

[DallasGirl50]

http://twitter.com/#!/CMPUNK


I don't see it anywhere on there (note he hasn't tweeted since Apirl 7th).


He put the tweet on his post. I'm not going to argue with you about it. I know you love the arguments but it's gotten old and tiresome...

[Romo 2 Austin]

He put the tweet on his post. I'm not going to argue with you about it. I know you love the arguments but it's gotten old and tiresome...

Not an argument, just find it unlikely CMPunk would tweet at Zrinkill and then decide to remove the tweet and the only evidence is a text copy and paste.



CMPunk CM Punk
@
@zrin****** just a stupid rumor, still beat from Europe



difficult to fake..

[zrinkill]

He put the tweet on his post. I'm not going to argue with you about it. I know you love the arguments but it's gotten old and tiresome...

Put the ***** on ignore ....... the Mods were right best thing I ever did.

I get emails and tweets from wrestlers old and new all the time.

I saved one I got from Paul Bearer 2 years ago when his wife and my little sister died of Cancer within a month of each other.

It was nice to know he was keeping up with it on My and her facebook.

[RoyTheHammer]

Just got a tweet from Punk.

CM Punk

@RTH ..tell those two whiny jabronis to stop crying and moaning at each other and ruining that great thread you guys got going..


.............................

Will do Punk. :D

[DallasGirl50]

Put the ***** on ignore ....... the Mods were right best thing I ever did.

I get emails and tweets from wrestlers old and new all the time.

I saved one I got from Paul Bearer 2 years ago when his wife and my little sister died of Cancer within a month of each other.

It was nice to know he was keeping up with it on My and her facebook.


I like the wrestling conversation but am tired of the arguing..I don't want to put anybody on ignore though.

I am so sorry about your sister. How nice of him to take the time to contact you....

[Romo 2 Austin]

I like the wrestling conversation but am tired of the arguing..I don't want to put anybody on ignore though.

I am so sorry about your sister. How nice of him to take the time to contact you....

I am sorry too Zrinkill.


Just wanted to pointout to you DG50, that before the wrestling threads really became popular I didn't notice you on the forums that much(You don't post much :p). but you are quickly becoming one of my favorite posters as you are heads and shoulders more mature than a majority of the posters on the forums, myself included.

[zrinkill]

I am so sorry about your sister. How nice of him to take the time to contact you....

Yea he is a great guy.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/dailysentinel/obituary.aspx?n=melissa-jo-collins&pid=136238041

She was my little angel who always tried taking care of her big dumb brother ..... I miss her more each day and see her so much in the son she left behind.

[big dog cowboy]

my little sister died of Cancer
So sorry to hear that zrin.

[DallasGirl50]

I am sorry too Zrinkill.


Just wanted to pointout to you DG50, that before the wrestling threads really became popular I didn't notice you on the forums that much(You don't post much :p). but you are quickly becoming one of my favorite posters as you are heads and shoulders more mature than a majority of the posters on the forums, myself included.


I never posted much but checked daily..I have been a Cowboys fan for many years but to be honest all this labor stuff has left a bad taste in my mouth for pro football...I'm having a hard time being excited about the team presently but that will change I'm sure. For example I will check the threads about the draft and their choices..I can't watch all that on TV. All that talk and dissecting this choice and that one is not for me. But I'll come here and see who they picked.

[DallasGirl50]

Yea he is a great guy.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/dailysentinel/obituary.aspx?n=melissa-jo-collins&pid=136238041

She was my little angel who always tried taking care of her big dumb brother ..... I miss her more each day and see her so much in the son she left behind.


I will check that later when my life is a bit quieter..I am working in a chaotic environment at the moment!

It's always hard to lose somebody we love. Always..

[Romo 2 Austin]

I have a feeling Hardy will be coming back to TNA soon, they aired this video package (something TNA has improved insanely in over the last few months) when iMPACT aired in the UK.

8xirEY7LZLI

[DallasGirl50]

Jeff Hardy needs to be in rehab..just because he's not wrestling doesn't mean his rx medication addiction will disappear. He's been there before though and came right back to his addiction. Nothing TNA can do can save him from himself.

[BraveHeartFan]

Sorry about your sister Zrin. That's awful.

TNA is stupid, beyond belief really, if they sink anymore time or money into Jeff Hardy knowing the addiction he has and the fact that he will not just simply be able to quit.

Stupid.

[zrinkill]

Sorry about your sister Zrin. That's awful

Yea ...... it will Be 2 years this Nov 20.

The good die young. She never hurt another soul and tried to help anyone who needed it.

A sinful POS like me will probably live forever.

Its not fair.

[Yeagermeister]

Yea ...... it will Be 2 years this Nov 20.

The good die young. She never hurt another soul and tried to help anyone who needed it.

A sinful POS like me will probably live forever.

Its not fair.

She sounds a lot like my sister.

[DallasGirl50]

I have read..and don't know if it's true or not because it was on the net..that Jeff has been to rehab 3x in the past. I am sure he's been at least once at WWE's expense during one of his prolonged absences on there.

[DallasGirl50]

Yea he is a great guy.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/dailysentinel/obituary.aspx?n=melissa-jo-collins&pid=136238041

She was my little angel who always tried taking care of her big dumb brother ..... I miss her more each day and see her so much in the son she left behind.


I finally got a chance to read your sister's obit...she was just lovely. Beautiful woman..I love her smile in that picture.

Just be thankful for 30 wonderful years. And the legacy she left..your nephew. Thanks for sharing.