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dbair1967
04-21-2011, 07:17 AM
Gosselin: You can always bank on Jerry Jones looking to trade out By SportsDayDFW.com


Related items SportsDay writer Rick Gosselin was interviewed on 1310 The Ticket on Wednesday to discuss the Dallas Cowboys and the 2011 NFL Draft. Here are some highlights:

In your first mock draft, you gave the Cowboys USC’s Tyron Smith. Do you think that’s solid?

Me and the rest of America. I think he’s a really good pick at No. 9.

Is there enough difference between Smith and a few players just beneath him so that the Cowboys could talk a small trade down if the opportunity presented itself?
Not if you want Tyron Smith. I don’t think you could trade down and expect to get him. And again, we talk about those few weeks back, what I really like about Tyron Smith is he’s a three-contract guy. He can walk in as a starter at 20-years of age and he’ll be able to sign a third contract when he’s 29. He can play 14 years for you. Not many guys – not many especially offensive linemen – can you say that about. You can say this about this guy.

You can trade down. You can hope to get one of those defensive linemen. I think though that the teens are going to be the heavy defensive line area of the first round. If you want a defensive lineman, I think you can move back. But, I think you lose Smith, you may lose [Anthony] Castonzo and you may lose a couple of those top flight offensive linemen in the process.

The next best offensive lineman after Smith is Anthony Castonzo from Boston College. How far down could the Cowboys move and still get him?

Not very far. Again, there are some teams that have Castonzo ahead of Smith. This is a very good player. This is perceived as a very safe player. He’s a guy that can walk in as a starter; he can play right or left side; even in the Senior Bowl, he played some guard. He’s a universal piece on an offensive line. That’s one thing that works against [Nate] Solder. I think he has the best upside of all of them but he’s strictly a left tackle. Smith has played both; Castonzo has played both and guard. I think both those two tackles are both gone by 12 or 13.

Because of the lack of quality quarterbacks in this draft beyond the top five, do you predict some teams scrambling for quarterbacks in the late first/early second round, leaving the Cowboys with players that normally would have been taken?

I think they’re going to benefit from that. I can see five quarterbacks going before 40. I could see that happening: a couple of those guys getting into the first. These five guys don’t belong there; I have [Ryan] Mallett and [Jake] Locker in the second there; [Andy] Dalton more late second, high three; [Colin] Kaepernick is a high three. If these guys all clear before 40, that’s pushing down good players; basically, good defensive linemen.

There are eight quarterbacks in this draft. Six of them could probably start in a pinch this year, with Dalton being the last. You may have up to 12 teams looking for a quarterback in the first three rounds. There are eight to get; there are 12 looking. Just figured the numbers out; there’s going to be a frenzy.

How far is Mark Ingram , the running back from Alabama, falling because of a perceived knee problem?

He’s the first running back and he’s the only running back in the first round. I don’t think he is going to slide like people are saying. He may, instead of going 15 to 20, he may go 20-25 but again, he’s the one running back in the first round. You’ve seen what he can do; he’s a power runner, an inside runner. He’s been compared to Emmitt Smith and he’s going to be the Rookie of the Year. Whoever wants an A for the draft is going to take Mark Ingram.

Have you heard anything about a possible Cowboys’ trade scenario?

Yea, you can always bank on Jerry Jones looking to trade out. That’s his history; he doesn’t want to draft; he doesn’t want that pick; he’d rather have quantity than quality. You can bank on the Cowboys at least looking around to trade down. That’s their history; that’s the history with Jerry Jones as the general manager. Again, we’ve talked about this: I think they’re crazy if they trade down out of No. 9. I think they lose out on a blue-chip player if they do that. But, that’s their history. You’re safe in saying that.

Where do you see LSU’s cornerback Patrick Peterson going in the draft?

I think he can fall down to five or six, possibly seven. The one little nick on Peterson: at 220 lbs, people think he’ll be safety inside of three years. So, if you’re thinking you’re drafting a shutdown corner with the first or second pick of this draft, you may be getting a shutdown safety. I think that’s the one nick on him; historically, cornerbacks don’t go that high.

burmafrd
04-21-2011, 07:45 AM
Yea, you can always bank on Jerry Jones looking to trade out. That’s his history; he doesn’t want to draft; he doesn’t want that pick; he’d rather have quantity than quality. You can bank on the Cowboys at least looking around to trade down. That’s their history; that’s the history with Jerry Jones as the general manager. Again, we’ve talked about this: I think they’re crazy if they trade down out of No. 9. I think they lose out on a blue-chip player if they do that. But, that’s their history. You’re safe in saying that.



Sad but true

fishspill
04-21-2011, 07:48 AM
Have you heard anything about a possible Cowboys’ trade scenario?

Yea, you can always bank on Jerry Jones looking to trade out. That’s his history; he doesn’t want to draft; he doesn’t want that pick; he’d rather have quantity than quality. You can bank on the Cowboys at least looking around to trade down. That’s their history; that’s the history with Jerry Jones as the general manager. Again, we’ve talked about this: I think they’re crazy if they trade down out of No. 9. I think they lose out on a blue-chip player if they do that. But, that’s their history. You’re safe in saying that.



That's my problem with trading out. Going from the blue chip to the reds for an extra 3. I guess the terms are imaginary when you think about it, and the guy at 15 or 18 might end up being a blue in time, but it's quality before quantity in my book. Getting 3 guys that play lots of snaps beats 6 guys that combine to play as many snaps but do so only because they are the warm bodies on your roster.

Duane
04-21-2011, 07:57 AM
We've seen the disasters that come from Jerry making a shotgun approach to the draft with a lot of players. We need to stick to our slotted positions and move up or down in small jumps to get our players. Not wheel and deal all the way down to the mid teens, late 20s and miss out on the best players on the offensive and defensive lines.

MarionBarberThe4th
04-21-2011, 08:04 AM
Why waste a question on Mark Ingram?

M'Kevon
04-21-2011, 08:22 AM
Yea, you can always bank on Jerry Jones looking to trade out. That’s his history; he doesn’t want to draft; he doesn’t want that pick; he’d rather have quantity than quality. You can bank on the Cowboys at least looking around to trade down. That’s their history; that’s the history with Jerry Jones as the general manager. Again, we’ve talked about this: I think they’re crazy if they trade down out of No. 9. I think they lose out on a blue-chip player if they do that. But, that’s their history. You’re safe in saying that.



Sad but true

Absolutely my biggest fear. Even with the obvious need at OL, Smith may not be flashy enough for Jones. And if he trades down, and still loses whatever player they projected, I see multiple trade downs.

Nightshade
04-21-2011, 09:10 AM
Absolutely my biggest fear. Even with the obvious need at OL, Smith may not be flashy enough for Jones. And if he trades down, and still loses whatever player they projected, I see multiple trade downs.

If JJ doesn't trade down I'd be very shocked. He figures the higher the pick the more he'll get on a trade down. He can't help himself. He loves the art of the deal and the spotlight and what's more high profile than a draft day trade.

CLASSSIC Jerry Jones.
:(

dbair1967
04-21-2011, 10:23 AM
Jerry trades alot, but the history shows he doesnt when it comes to early picks.

We had top-10 picks in 1989, 1991, 1998, 2002 and 2003, and we had the 11th pick overall in 2005.

Only once (2002) did Jones trade back, and that was when we moved to 8 from 6 and still got Roy Williams. We traded up in 1991 and ended up with the #1 overall pick. The other years we stayed with the original pick.

When he has been more prone to moving back quite a bit is when we've had lower first round picks, and in those cases alot of times you are better off moving down because there usually isnt alot of difference betwee players drafted between say 20 and 50.

dbair1967
04-21-2011, 10:24 AM
If JJ doesn't trade down I'd be very shocked. He figures the higher the pick the more he'll get on a trade down. He can't help himself. He loves the art of the deal and the spotlight and what's more high profile than a draft day trade.

CLASSSIC Jerry Jones.
:(

Even though thats not what we've done in the past.

I have a post in this thread about our history with early picks.

jimnabby
04-21-2011, 10:25 AM
If JJ doesn't trade down I'd be very shocked. He figures the higher the pick the more he'll get on a trade down. He can't help himself.

I wouldn't be surprised if he does trade down this year, but it's not really his history. Looking at our first rounders since the Galloway debacle:

2010: #27, traded up to get Dez
2009: no 1st (the Roy debacle)
2008: #22, stood pat to pick Felix
2008: #28, traded up to get Jenkins
2007: #22 - traded down, then back up to #26 for Spencer (got a 2008 1st)
2006: #18, stood pat to take Bobby
2005: #11, stood pat to take Ware
2005: #20, stood pat to take Spears
2004: #22, traded out of the 1st (got a 2005 1st)
2003: #5, stood pat to take Newman
2002: #8, stood pat to take Roy

So, Jerry's traded down in the 1st round twice in the last decade, as often as he's traded up. The four times he's had picks in the top 20, he hasn't traded them. And when he has traded down, he's gotten a 1st rounder in the next year's draft.

Edit: Whoops, I missed the trade down in '02, but I see that others have already covered my point anyway.

DFWJC
04-21-2011, 10:57 AM
I liked his answer and correction on the "lack of QB quality" in this draft.

If you are talking total number of QBs that can contribute, then this is a draft with HIGH quality at QB.
Like he said, there are 8 QBs and 6 could start right away if a team was really desperate.
That is a very large number. I actually think at least 8 will make someone's team.

I do agree that there is a possible lack of franchise QBs, but the overall quality is very good.
No doubt, Andrew Luck would have really helped.

DFWJC
04-21-2011, 11:03 AM
Why waste a question on Mark Ingram?
I disagree with Goose's assessment of Ingram anyway. I'm not even sure he will be the best back in this draft.
But with RBs, it really does depend on where they go. If a team gives you the rock 300 times, well, you just may get ROY even if your ypg is not so great.

Actually, I disagree with his trading down statement too. That really is not our history, just as others above have said.

Chocolate Lab
04-21-2011, 12:10 PM
Jerry trades alot, but the history shows he doesnt when it comes to early picks.

We had top-10 picks in 1989, 1991, 1998, 2002 and 2003, and we had the 11th pick overall in 2005.

Only once (2002) did Jones trade back, and that was when we moved to 8 from 6 and still got Roy Williams. We traded up in 1991 and ended up with the #1 overall pick. The other years we stayed with the original pick.

Agree.

For everyone bashing Jerry trading, did you read what Peter King said about Belichick? He said BB approaches every pick as if he wants to trade it. Only if he doesn't get a deal he likes does he turn in the card with the name on it at the last minute.

So it's not a bad idea. Picking the right players is another thing.