My Final 2011 Mach..........Unless Of Course I Get the Itch

[Hostile]

You know the itch. We've all got it. The desire to open presents as soon as you know they are yours. That is the Draft. They torture us with it for four months and as it nears it overwhelms our patience.

That's where I am.


I think we're staying at #9.


#9. Tyron Smith, OT, USC, 6'5", 307. I saw the report that compared him to Walter Jones. I honestly think he is more like Erik Williams. Yes, I went there. Will solidify the right side of our OL for 10 or more years with multiple Pro Bowls possible if he reaches his immense potential.

We're going to trade out of the #40 spot for a late 2nd and a 3rd. For the purpose of this Mock it is with the Chiefs for #55 and #86.

#55. Mason Foster, ILB, Washington, 6'1", 245. A heat seeking missile who can team with Sean Lee for years to be defensive forces. Smart guy who lives to play football. Non stop motor. If you read my post earlier today you know this means Sensy to a long term deal and Huff in FA are our Safety tandem.

#71. Will Rackley, OG, Lehigh, 6'3", 310. Groomed to take over either starting OG spot. Is going to be a force in the NFL due to his power blocking skills.

#86. Kenrick Ellis, NT, Hampton, 6'5", 345. A wall who collapses the pocket. Ratliff will be moved to DE for some plays, but only after either Ellis or Brent take the NT spot for good.

#110. John Moffitt, OG, Wisconsin, 6'4", 315. Takes whichever spot opposite Rackley when the time comes. They are bookend Guards who are run blocking strong.

#143. Cecil Shorts, WR, Mount Union, 6'0" 190. He is a weapon. No matter where they line him up he will produce eventually. He can play emergency QB, RB, is a natural slot WR and can play in both return games. Has scored TDs from every one of these positions and has a nose for the endzone.

#176. DeMarcus Van Dyke, CB, Miami, 6'1", 176. CB depth in the current NFL is much needed and his work in DB drills leads to believe he can develop into something workable for a team.

#220. Greg McElroy, QB, Alabama, 6'2", 225. A developmental guy with top football smarts. A future NFL scout or coach possibly. A solid backup.

#252. Collin Baxter, C, Arizona, 6'3", 311. Could battle Costa for the job once Gurode is finished.

[danielofthesaints]

:bow:

[cowboyjoe]

You know the itch. We've all got it. The desire to open presents as soon as you know they are yours. That is the Draft. They torture us with it for four months and as it nears it overwhelms our patience.

That's where I am.


I think we're staying at #9.


#9. Tyron Smith, OT, USC, 6'5", 307. I saw the report that compared him to Walter Jones. I honestly think he is more like Erik Williams. Yes, I went there. Will solidify the right side of our OL for 10 or more years with multiple Pro Bowls possible if he reaches his immense potential.

We're going to trade out of the #40 spot for a late 2nd and a 3rd. For the purpose of this Mock it is with the Chiefs for #55 and #86.

#55. Mason Foster, ILB, Washington, 6'1", 245. A heat seeking missile who can team with Sean Lee for years to be defensive forces. Smart guy who lives to play football. Non stop motor. If you read my post earlier today you know this means Sensy to a long term deal and Huff in FA are our Safety tandem.

#71. Will Rackley, OG, Lehigh, 6'3", 310. Groomed to take over either starting OG spot. Is going to be a force in the NFL due to his power blocking skills.

#86. Kenrick Ellis, NT, Hampton, 6'5", 345. A wall who collapses the pocket. Ratliff will be moved to DE for some plays, but only after either Ellis or Brent take the NT spot for good.

#110. John Moffitt, OG, Wisconsin, 6'4", 315. Takes whichever spot opposite Rackley when the time comes. They are bookend Guards who are run blocking strong.

#143. Cecil Shorts, WR, Mount Union, 6'0" 190. He is a weapon. NO matter where they line him up he will produce eventually. He can play emergency QB, RB, is a natural slot WR and can play in both return games. Has scored TDs from every one of these positions and has a nose for the endzone.

#176. DeMarcus Van Dyke, CB, Miami, 6'1", 176. CB depth in the current NFL is much needed and his work in DB drills leads to believe he can develop into something workable for a team.

#220. Greg McElroy, QB, Alabama, 6'2", 225. A developmental guy with top football smarts. A future NFL scout or coach possibly. A solid backup.

#252. Collin Baxter, C, Arizona, 6'3", 311. Could battle Costa for the job once Gurode is finished.

I like it all except for the last pick, i would rather go after cb from wagner that blocked 12 kicks, or blaine summer super strong NT, or DE KEITH DARBUT, BALDWIN-WALLACE
Darbut wasn’t a known commodity until he ran a 4.38 40 at his pro day. At 6’4, 230 pounds he is light for a linebacker and he is raw and hasn’t faced top level competition so there should be concerns but his 1.42 10-yard, 38-inch vertical, and 4.38 40 show his explosiveness making him a player with upside worth taking a gamble on late in the draft and hiding on a practice squad.


other than that, love the picks:bow: and im waiting on Sdogo's report and silverbears players list cowboys have visited before i post my final mock or one before final mock,

silverbear is killing me; said he would have it earlier this week, anxious to get my last or next to last mocks out and get pictures of my war room up

[TheSport78]

You know the itch. We've all got it. The desire to open presents as soon as you know they are yours. That is the Draft. They torture us with it for four months and as it nears it overwhelms our patience.

That's where I am.


I think we're staying at #9.


#9. Tyron Smith, OT, USC, 6'5", 307. I saw the report that compared him to Walter Jones. I honestly think he is more like Erik Williams. Yes, I went there. Will solidify the right side of our OL for 10 or more years with multiple Pro Bowls possible if he reaches his immense potential.

We're going to trade out of the #40 spot for a late 2nd and a 3rd. For the purpose of this Mock it is with the Chiefs for #55 and #86.

#55. Mason Foster, ILB, Washington, 6'1", 245. A heat seeking missile who can team with Sean Lee for years to be defensive forces. Smart guy who lives to play football. Non stop motor. If you read my post earlier today you know this means Sensy to a long term deal and Huff in FA are our Safety tandem.

#71. Will Rackley, OG, Lehigh, 6'3", 310. Groomed to take over either starting OG spot. Is going to be a force in the NFL due to his power blocking skills.

#86. Kenrick Ellis, NT, Hampton, 6'5", 345. A wall who collapses the pocket. Ratliff will be moved to DE for some plays, but only after either Ellis or Brent take the NT spot for good.

#110. John Moffitt, OG, Wisconsin, 6'4", 315. Takes whichever spot opposite Rackley when the time comes. They are bookend Guards who are run blocking strong.

#143. Cecil Shorts, WR, Mount Union, 6'0" 190. He is a weapon. NO matter where they line him up he will produce eventually. He can play emergency QB, RB, is a natural slot WR and can play in both return games. Has scored TDs from every one of these positions and has a nose for the endzone.

#176. DeMarcus Van Dyke, CB, Miami, 6'1", 176. CB depth in the current NFL is much needed and his work in DB drills leads to believe he can develop into something workable for a team.

#220. Greg McElroy, QB, Alabama, 6'2", 225. A developmental guy with top football smarts. A future NFL scout or coach possibly. A solid backup.

#252. Collin Baxter, C, Arizona, 6'3", 311. Could battle Costa for the job once Gurode is finished.

Love it. I would like to see RB Stevan Ridley as one of our 7th round picks. Other than that, it's perfect.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I havent looked at it yet, but I think I speak for everyone when I say it is an amazing mock

[proline]

What do you think about Nate Irving out of NC State instead of Foster? He had a very productive college career and is one of those always around the ball guys. I think he led the team in INTs one season, too. He missed the 2009 season due to a major car accident, but he came back and had a great season in 2010. http://www.profootballdraftnetwork.com/index.php?option=com_jumi&fileid=5&id=735

[Dash28]

I like it a lot.

I'm with you on Foster, would be a great pick imo. I had him in my only mock.

[Manwiththeplan]

I would probably swap out Mason Foster for either Cameron Heyward (at #40) or Christian Ballard/Allen Bailey at #55

[Gaede]

I don't think I could like a mock any more than that one.

[visionary]

best mock
addresses OL, front 7
couple this with signing Huff

we are on our way

[Bigdog]

this is the best mock I have seen including from the so called experts. I would absolutely love this draft.

[UnoDallas]

another nice mock sonny

[realtick]

Mason Foster is a poor athlete. He had some of the worst numbers overall at the combine:

21" vertical*
9'.2" broad jump*
4.75 forty*
12.26 second 60-yard shuttle*

*worst of all players at same position at the combine
*tied for 2nd worst of all players...
*tied for 4th worst...

I'm not a combine workout #'s guy, but those are really poor.

Please commence with the "I don't care about #'s, he's a football player!!!!" rant in 3...2...1

[Avery]

Does this mark the end of the FB love?

[Biggems]

You know the itch. We've all got it. The desire to open presents as soon as you know they are yours. That is the Draft. They torture us with it for four months and as it nears it overwhelms our patience.

That's where I am.


I think we're staying at #9.


#9. Tyron Smith, OT, USC, 6'5", 307. I saw the report that compared him to Walter Jones. I honestly think he is more like Erik Williams. Yes, I went there. Will solidify the right side of our OL for 10 or more years with multiple Pro Bowls possible if he reaches his immense potential.

We're going to trade out of the #40 spot for a late 2nd and a 3rd. For the purpose of this Mock it is with the Chiefs for #55 and #86.

#55. Mason Foster, ILB, Washington, 6'1", 245. A heat seeking missile who can team with Sean Lee for years to be defensive forces. Smart guy who lives to play football. Non stop motor. If you read my post earlier today you know this means Sensy to a long term deal and Huff in FA are our Safety tandem.

#71. Will Rackley, OG, Lehigh, 6'3", 310. Groomed to take over either starting OG spot. Is going to be a force in the NFL due to his power blocking skills.

#86. Kenrick Ellis, NT, Hampton, 6'5", 345. A wall who collapses the pocket. Ratliff will be moved to DE for some plays, but only after either Ellis or Brent take the NT spot for good.

#110. John Moffitt, OG, Wisconsin, 6'4", 315. Takes whichever spot opposite Rackley when the time comes. They are bookend Guards who are run blocking strong.

#143. Cecil Shorts, WR, Mount Union, 6'0" 190. He is a weapon. No matter where they line him up he will produce eventually. He can play emergency QB, RB, is a natural slot WR and can play in both return games. Has scored TDs from every one of these positions and has a nose for the endzone.

#176. DeMarcus Van Dyke, CB, Miami, 6'1", 176. CB depth in the current NFL is much needed and his work in DB drills leads to believe he can develop into something workable for a team.

#220. Greg McElroy, QB, Alabama, 6'2", 225. A developmental guy with top football smarts. A future NFL scout or coach possibly. A solid backup.

#252. Collin Baxter, C, Arizona, 6'3", 311. Could battle Costa for the job once Gurode is finished.

I would like to trade down in the 5th and add a 6th and 7th, then trade down in the 6th and add a 7th. I would like to use the final three 7th round picks on OG/OT Darius Morris (Kyle Hix if Morris is gone), FS Mark LeGree, FS Frantz Placide

[Teague31]

rock solid country gold

[tm1119]

Dont like the Foster pick at all. ILB is a need for the future, but I wouldnt take 1 in the 2nd round. Especially 1 that isnt head and shoulders above others that will be available in later rounds. Sheppard, Irving, Jones, and Matthews are all comparable to Foster in my opinion. Ill admit that 55 is a hard spot to make a pick because its tough to tell whos going to be there, but ILB still shouldnt be the pick.

I think House or Moore will be available for the secondary. And Ballard or Bailey for the D line. All better prospects in my opinion and of much higher need for our team.

[arglebargle]

rock solid country gold

Yep, that's a gold standard mock there....

[HoosierCowboy]

I'm not sold on Shorts, but if we pulled off this draft, I'd be excited

[THUMPER]

#55. Mason Foster, ILB, Washington, 6'1", 245.[/B] A heat seeking missile who can team with Sean Lee for years to be defensive forces. Smart guy who lives to play football. Non stop motor. If you read my post earlier today you know this means Sensy to a long term deal and Huff in FA are our Safety tandem.

Looks great except for this one. Dude is projected for the 4th or 5th round and doesn't have NFL speed. Looks like Tony Dixon all over again to me, i.e. a reach for a guy who isn't NFL material.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/prospects/player/mason-foster-40/

I'll pass thanks.

[Hostile]

Seems like a whole lot of people who have seen a 40 time but haven't seen the guy play.

[hipfake08]

I could live with that draft.

[TheSport78]

Sometimes numbers don't tell the whole story. Did Jerry Rice have a blazing 40 time? Did Joe Montana have all the measureables you look for in a QB? Nope, but they are considered the greatest of all time at their respective positions.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Jerry Rice had a very good 40 time

[Hostile]

Jerry Rice had a very good 40 time:laugh2:

[MarionBarberThe4th]

:laugh2:

Michael Lombardi, who was actually at Jerry Rice's pro day, would disagree with you

[THUMPER]

Seems like a whole lot of people who have seen a 40 time but haven't seen the guy play.

Lots of guys dominate in college but can't make the transition to the NFL(USC WRs Mike Williams and Dwayne Jarrett come to mind). Speed and conditioning are usually the main culprits and Foster's speed and quickness are in question.

Also, when he is projected to go a couple of rounds later, why reach for him in the 2nd?

I will admit that I've never seen him play (I don't watch much college football these days) but those who have don't rate him as highly as you do. Just sayin 'zall.

[Hostile]

Lots of guys dominate in college but can't make the transition to the NFL(USC WRs Mike Williams and Dwayne Jarrett come to mind). Speed and conditioning are usually the main culprits and Foster's speed and quickness are in question.

Also, when he is projected to go a couple of rounds later, why reach for him in the 2nd?

I will admit that I've never seen him play (I don't watch much college football these days) but those who have don't rate him as highly as you do. Just sayin 'zall.I haven't seen him rated below the 3rd round. Most mocks I have seen have him in the 2nd.

Here, take a look for yourself.

This is against Stanford. Watch how often he either take son the lead block or is in on the tackle.

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Not convinced? I am often surprised at how many people don't watch the lesser Bowl games. Here he is in the Holiday Bowl. Listen closely to how many tackles they announce he had on the year and at the end when he is handed the trophy for best defensive player in the game notice how many he added.

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By my math 151 plus 12 is 163.

I watched him steal a victory away from my Wildcats this year with a miracle INT for a TD.

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[MarionBarberThe4th]

Michael Lombardi, who was actually at Jerry Rice's pro day, would disagree with you


http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1295100130/mail_normal.jpgMichael Lombardi
he was 4.49 on grass at Arizona State

[Marktui]

Very good mock. That would go a long way to getting the O line straightened out with Smith, Rackley and Moffitt. Foster is known for having a non stop motor which cannot be taught.

I hope Ellis is still around that late, I think he gets scooped up earlier with so many 3-4 teams these days.

Would love to see my pet player Henry Hynoski drafted. Is a punishing inline blocker that could pave the way for short yardage situations as well as a really good pass catcher. I know fullbacks are a dying breed, but this guy reminds me of a Mike Alstott. Big bruising runner, but with athleticism.

[Hostile]

http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1295100130/mail_normal.jpg (http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1295100130/mail_normal.jpg)Michael Lombardi
he was 4.49 on grass at Arizona State
I actually remember that Draft. He had huge numbers at Mississippi Valley State but his 40 time was 4.71. He dropped because of it. Throughout his career he was not known as a fast WR. In Jerry Rice's autobiography he mentions that he was not known as a fast WR.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

The guy who drafted him says he was 4.49 on grass. That is very good. Especially back then.

AJ Green on turf 20 years later ran 4.50.

[dmq]

I think Kenrick Ellis will be gone earlier than most think.

[DFWJC]

Definitely addresses OL and LB needs well.

I'll assume you plan to address the secondary in the FA market?

I'm still not sure Smith is worthy of a #9 pick, but it's probably close enough to not bicker about it.

Kendrick Ellis is gone by 84, imo.

Also regarding a comment above to take Heyward at 55.....he would be long gone by then, so Foster fits fine I guess. I actually in on board with another poster who suggests taking Nate Irving a round or two later.

[burmafrd]

Foster. Did see him play. Hope he is faster on the field then in the 40.

Love this mock otherwise.

As regards Jerry Rice; no he was not a burner, but 4.71 was probably not correct as to how he played. And remember back then that is not as slow as it is now.

[burmafrd]

And I would say the NFL is about .1 to maybe as much as .2 faster overall then it was in the mid 80's.

[Hostile]

Foster. Did see him play. Hope he is faster on the field then in the 40.

Love this mock otherwise.

As regards Jerry Rice; no he was not a burner, but 4.71 was probably not correct as to how he played. And remember back then that is not as slow as it is now.I am confident that Jerry Rice never ran a 4.49 time in the 40. If he did, he would have claimed it rather than discussed how he was not regarded as fast.

[THUMPER]

I haven't seen him rated below the 3rd round. Most mocks I have seen have him in the 2nd.

He looked impressive in those two clips but like I said, lots of guys look awesome in college only to flop in the NFL. The speed of the pro game is just so much faster than in college. I would rather address a position of need than reach for a player with questionable speed.

[Hostile]

He looked impressive in those two clips but like I said, lots of guys look awesome in college only to flop in the NFL. The speed of the pro game is just so much faster than in college. I would rather address a position of need than reach for a player with questionable speed.We never should have drafted Emmitt then.

[realtick]

Seems like a whole lot of people who have seen a 40 time but haven't seen the guy play.

Lol, I've heard similiar laments regarding Micah Johnson when he came out.

I've seen him play plenty and he was a nice linebacker at Washington. But there are more than just poor forty numbers to worry about; he simply isn't a good athlete all together.

31" vertical*
9'.2" broad jump*
4.75 forty*
12.26 second 60-yard shuttle*

*tied for 3rd worst of all players at same position at the combine
*tied for 2nd worst of all players...
*tied for 4th worst...

I wouldn't even think about touching him until the 3rd round at the earliest. I think he's got to play ILB in the NFL.

[realtick]

Found this on another website:

40 Yard Dash
4.49 Martez Wilson
4.75 Mason Foster
Bench Press
32 Ross Homan
22 Mason Foster
Vertical Jump
38.0 Scott Lutrus
31.0 Mason Foster
Broad Jump
10’6″ Von Miller
9’2″ Mason Foster
3 Cone Drill
6.70 Von Miller
7.14 Mason Foster
20 Yard Shuttle
4.00 Nick Bellore
4.45 Mason Foster
60 Yard Shuttle
11.15 Von Miller
12.26 Mason Foster

Again, numbers don't tell the entire story. There are things I do like about Foster, but if you're telling me he's the best player available at pick #41 (or even #55 as you have it listed) in the 2nd round, then I think there is something grossly wrong.

[Hostile]

372 career tackles. 6 career forced fumbles. 4 career INTs. 11 career sacks with 7 of them in 2010. From OLB, not ILB those tackle stats are amazing.

Ya'll can stand on his 40 time, vertical leap, and underwear Olympic numbers all you want. From the snap of the football until the whistle blows and gun to gun this guy comes to play.

[dogberry]

Was Jerry Rice recovering from an organ removal when that 4.71 was run? My extremely selective memory always thinks of him as fast.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I am confident that Jerry Rice never ran a 4.49 time in the 40. If he did, he would have claimed it rather than discussed how he was not regarded as fast.


A 40 time is not a matter of opinion. You are incorrect.

[tm1119]

I think Kenrick Ellis will be gone earlier than most think.

As do I. I highly doubt he gets out of the 2nd round to be honest. Wash, Hou, Pit, NE, GB, and I'm sure 1 or 2 more that I can't think of are all 3-4 teams that pick after us in the 2nd. After Taylor in the 1st there's only 1 or 2 true NT's in this draft. I think they're all going to go quicker than most think.

[burmafrd]

He is a player. But is he enough of an athlete to make those kinds of plays against guys a lot faster and quicker?

[realtick]

372 career tackles. 6 career forced fumbles. 4 career INTs. 11 career sacks with 7 of them in 2010. From OLB, not ILB those tackle stats are amazing.

Ya'll can stand on his 40 time, vertical leap, and underwear Olympic numbers all you want. From the snap of the football until the whistle blows and gun to gun this guy comes to play.

:facepalm: "Please commence with the "I don't care about #'s, he's a football player!!!!" rant in 3...2...1" - post #13

Prophetic...

[Woods]

He is a player. But is he enough of an athlete to make those kinds of plays against guys a lot faster and quicker?

From everything I've been reading, this is a pretty weak ILB class.

I like M Foster, but more in the bottom of the 3rd or early 4th round. I think K Sheppard would work out pretty well too - again, around the 4th round would be ideal.

[DawnOfANewD]

No CB? I guess this assumes we sign a UFA like hopefully Jonathan Joseph?

[Hostile]

:facepalm: "Please commence with the "I don't care about #'s, he's a football player!!!!" rant in 3...2...1" - post #13

Prophetic...Yeah, I saw it. I could not care less about it.

[UnoDallas]

the important number is the Ten Yard IMO

Foster - 10 Yrd Dash: 1.62

Sheppad - 10 Yrd Dash: 1.66

an my under the radar guy

Chris White - 10 Yrd Dash: 1.62

some one is getting a steal taken him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk8xy0uTS2I&feature=related

http://www.mstateathletics.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=16800&ATCLID=204766747

180 tackles in two years

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=483163

Positives: Productive and durable two-year starter has good size and gives great effort. Junior college transfer played on the weak side as a junior and inside as a senior. Sure tackler who rarely misses when squared to the opponent. Good at diagnosing and putting himself in position to make plays. Can engage offensive linemen without giving ground, and can shed fullback blocks to plug gaps. Very effective between the tackles

[realtick]

the important number is the Ten Yard IMO

Foster - 10 Yrd Dash: 1.62

Sheppad - 10 Yrd Dash: 1.66

an my under the radar guy

Chris White - 10 Yrd Dash: 1.62



Where did you get those numbers (10-yard splits)?

[Hostile]

I agree on the 10 yard split being more important. Well over half of all football happens around where the ball is snapped, not 40 yards away.

[UnoDallas]

Where did you get those numbers (10-yard splits)?

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/nflcombinedetail.php?draftyear=2011&GenPos=DT&sortorder=LastName&order=ASC

then click on the player it says combine results

[Chocolate Lab]

I say again, we had Martez Wilson in for a visit and 40ish is probably about right for him...

And on Rice, that's interesting about Lombardi's claim. You have to remember that things were different back then, especially for smaller-school guys like Rice. There weren't 100 different claims floating around the interwebs. Besides, times were all hand-held and every scout times a little differently, so the relative times and the way they were adjusted for conditions were (are?) more important than the raw number.

But Jerry definitely wasn't a 4.71 guy when he got the ball in the open field.

[Woods]

I say again, we had Martez Wilson in for a visit and 40ish is probably about right for him...

And on Rice, that's interesting about Lombardi's claim. You have to remember that things were different back then, especially for smaller-school guys like Rice. Besides, times were all hand-held and every scout times a little differently, so the relative times and the way they were adjusted for conditions were (are?) more important than the raw number.

But Jerry definitely wasn't a 4.71 guy when he got the ball in the open field.

I remember reading that Wilson's drills at his Pro Day were really poor. I can't remember which site that was on, however. Not that it probably means that much end of the day . . . . . thought I'd share.

[Hostile]

I say again, we had Martez Wilson in for a visit and 40ish is probably about right for him...

And on Rice, that's interesting about Lombardi's claim. You have to remember that things were different back then, especially for smaller-school guys like Rice. There weren't 100 different claims floating around the interwebs. Besides, times were all hand-held and every scout times a little differently, so the relative times and the way they were adjusted for conditions were (are?) more important than the raw number.

But Jerry definitely wasn't a 4.71 guy when he got the ball in the open field.
No he wasn't. He also wasn't a 4.49 guy by any wild stretch of the imagination.

[Chocolate Lab]

No he wasn't. He also wasn't a 4.49 guy by any wild stretch of the imagination.

I don't see why not. Those 4.49 corners never seemed to catch him.

Geez, Roy Williams the safety timed a 4.53 or whatever it was, and Jerry was faster than him in a 40 for sure.

[Duane]

I think Kenrick Ellis will be gone earlier than most think.

I agree. It wouldn't surprise me to see him sneak into the bottom of the first/early second round.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Doesnt matter what he played at, everyone feels he was plenty fast on the field. His 40 time was originally questioned, and it was proven to be a better time than previously thought. Lombardi and his group of scouts conferred and had the same number.

Some rogue media member ran w/ a false number and it got perpetuated from there. Most likely because it fits the story of the small school sleeper becoming an all time great

[Chocolate Lab]

Doesnt matter what he played at, everyone feels he was plenty fast on the field. His 40 time was originally questioned, and it was proven to be a better time than previously thought. Lombardi and his group of scouts conferred and had the same number.

Some rogue media member ran w/ a false number and it got perpetuated from there. Most likely because it fits the story of the small school sleeper becoming an all time great

Actually, I remember it being talked about even then before he became so great. Something like this is what I remember Gil saying even back then:

(This whole article on the 40 is very good, not just the first part about Rice.)

http://www.gambetta.com/pdf/40yarddash.pdf

[realtick]

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/nflcombinedetail.php?draftyear=2011&GenPos=DT&sortorder=LastName&order=ASC

then click on the player it says combine results

Cool, thanks.

Interesting, I didn't click on most of the major ILB prospects (that's where I see Foster playing), but I did look at Martez Wilson's numbers:

6' 3.5" 250 lbs

4.42 40-yard dash
1.56 10-yard...
2.53 20-yard...

23 bench press
36" vertical
10' 04" broad jump
4.28 20-yard shuttle
7.04 3-cone

Mason Foster:

6' 1.4" 245 lbs

4.75 40-yard dash
1.59 10-yard... (combine #...proday was actually slower at 1.62)
2.67 20-yard...

22 bench press
31" vertical
09'02" broad jump
4.45 20-yard shuttle
7.14 3-cone

Martez Wilson also tallied 222 tackles, 9 sacks, 2 FF, 1 INT is four seasons at Illinois. However, remember Wilson only played one game in '09 (injury) and 37 games total in his college career. Compared to 45 games for Mason Foster.

[jblaze2004]

idk martez wilson looks stiff as a bord trying to change directions but do anybody know how is this guy in coverage. A coverage linebacker is really needed on this team (not saying sean lee can't do it but he has health issues so far). Last year other than safety, one of the biggest problems we had is our safeties helping our ILB's too much thats why they didnt really help our cb's out as much as they should of.

sign barbie carpenter back for league min.:laugh2:

[realtick]

idk martez wilson looks stiff as a bord trying to change directions but do anybody know how is this guy in coverage. A coverage linebacker is really needed on this team (not saying sean lee can't do it but he has health issues so far). Last year other than safety, one of the biggest problems we had is our safeties helping our ILB's too much thats why they didnt really help our cb's out as much as they should of.

sign barbie carpenter back for league min.:laugh2:

I think part of the reason he appears to be stiff is that he had a herniated disk in his neck in '09. He had surgery and came back to have a great '10 season.

His workout numbers also seemingly contradict his appearance. It could be the neckroll, but the kid reminds me of a more athletic Bryan Cox.

[UnoDallas]

I think part of the reason he appears to be stiff is that he had a herniated disk in his neck in '09. He had surgery and came back to have a great '10 season.

His workout numbers also seemingly contradict his appearance. It could be the neckroll, but the kid reminds me of a more athletic Bryan Cox.

he might be over number 40 pick if Ryan feel in love with the guy

the guy is athletic

[jblaze2004]

I think part of the reason he appears to be stiff is that he had a herniated disk in his neck in '09. He had surgery and came back to have a great '10 season.

His workout numbers also seemingly contradict his appearance. It could be the neckroll, but the kid reminds me of a more athletic Bryan Cox.

i wonder if that pushes him down alittle on people boards (herniated disk surgery).

[realtick]

i wonder if that pushes him down alittle on people boards (herniated disk surgery).

It might be a concern but I doubt it will drop him too much. He's more than a year removed from the injury and came back and had his best season just last year.

If anything, teams may look at a guy like Wilson as someone who is on the upswing.

[jblaze2004]

It might be a concern but I doubt it will drop him too much. He's more than a year removed from the injury and came back and had his best season just last year.

If anything, teams may look at a guy like Wilson as someone who is on the upswing.

do ya'll view him as a 3-4 olb or ilb?

[realtick]

do ya'll view him as a 3-4 olb or ilb?

ILB....

[rash]

duuuude this was one heckuva mock HOS!

Call Jerry Hos! NOW!!