Does anyone else think Quinn is highly overrated?

[nathanlt]

I have a draft magazine from 2 months ago that lists Quinn as a player who "teases with ability, doesn't finish, crumbles against the run, and piled up sacks against weak competition." He is not physical at the point of attack, and has missed all of last year playing football.

What 40 time at the combine can erase all that? How is he going to go top 5 now?

[TheDallasDon]

His 40 was no even that impressive......... infact his whole combine was not overly impressive.

His play is where the hype comes from

[dbair1967]

He's definitely somewhat of a boom or bust guy IMO.

[Leadbelly]

I mostly lurk on the board for news, but Quinn is my top player and I'm in ACC country. I'm a Terps fan.

His combine wasn't that good.

He's up near the top of many draft boards because of his play in the ACC. It's not a situation where he's rising. He was always there but guys like Fairley and Bowers are falling.

If you haven't seen him play, Youtube has UNC vs Virginia, Boston College, Florida St, and Pittsburgh. You can watch and form your own opinion rather than use a draft guide's. On every single snap he's playing in the opponent's backfield.

He's not without flaw, but he's a rare prospect. If you broke down Ware coming out as a senior, his production was less than what Quinn was doing as a sophomore and it was vs Sun Belt teams. The draft guides also had plenty of similar negatives on Ware.

If Washington takes him, it's going to be a bad decade. I think he goes 7th to San Francisco, so technically not top 5, but he could go to Arizona or Cleveland instead. If he's there at 9 and Dallas took him, I'd be pretty thrilled.

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Side note -- good stuff in your sig's mock draft. Carimi is my top OT, especially like Rackley, and Ballard is the most unique WR I can remember seeing since Randy Moss.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I mostly lurk on the board for news, but Quinn is my top player and I'm in ACC country. I'm a Terps fan.

His combine wasn't that good.

He's up near the top of many draft boards because of his play in the ACC. It's not a situation where he's rising. He was always there but guys like Fairley and Bowers are falling.

If you haven't seen him play, Youtube has UNC vs Virginia, Boston College, Florida St, and Pittsburgh. You can watch and form your own opinion rather than use a draft guide's. On every single snap he's playing in the opponent's backfield.

He's not without flaw, but he's a rare prospect. If you broke down Ware coming out as a senior, his production was less than what Quinn was doing as a sophomore and it was vs Sun Belt teams. The draft guides also had plenty of similar negatives on Ware.

If Washington takes him, it's going to be a bad decade. I think he goes 7th to San Francisco, so technically not top 5, but he could go to Arizona or Cleveland instead. If he's there at 9 and Dallas took him, I'd be pretty thrilled.

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Side note -- good stuff in your sig's mock draft. Carimi is my top OT, especially like Rackley, and Ballard is the most unique WR I can remember seeing since Randy Moss.



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He tore up Castanzo but at the same time I do remember he did pile up a few of his numbers against weak teams. I dont care though, I watch him play and he has it all. He tackles very well and takes great angles so I dont know where that stuff about him being weak vs the run comes from. I think he will be a monster in any scheme.

In a way I almost hope our trade down offers are weak so they just take Quinn.

[WilmingtonHeel]

UNC alum here pretty close to the program and some of the players. Quinn is NOT overrated not even a little bit. His sophmore year as stated he lead the league in sacks and tackles for losses and pressures. Hes not even finished growing yet at the age of 20 and he'll get stronger as well. He had an average workout in Indy for "him". It wasn't terrible as some people seems to make it out to be. For the type of talent he is it wasn't up to par, but that's a direct reflection how good this young man can be

[Shinywalrus]

If he had a season like the one before instead of being out, we wouldn't be talking about Cam Newton at #1 overall.

[jblaze2004]

I mostly lurk on the board for news, but Quinn is my top player and I'm in ACC country. I'm a Terps fan.

His combine wasn't that good.

He's up near the top of many draft boards because of his play in the ACC. It's not a situation where he's rising. He was always there but guys like Fairley and Bowers are falling.

If you haven't seen him play, Youtube has UNC vs Virginia, Boston College, Florida St, and Pittsburgh. You can watch and form your own opinion rather than use a draft guide's. On every single snap he's playing in the opponent's backfield.

He's not without flaw, but he's a rare prospect. If you broke down Ware coming out as a senior, his production was less than what Quinn was doing as a sophomore and it was vs Sun Belt teams. The draft guides also had plenty of similar negatives on Ware.

If Washington takes him, it's going to be a bad decade. I think he goes 7th to San Francisco, so technically not top 5, but he could go to Arizona or Cleveland instead. If he's there at 9 and Dallas took him, I'd be pretty thrilled.

...

Side note -- good stuff in your sig's mock draft. Carimi is my top OT, especially like Rackley, and Ballard is the most unique WR I can remember seeing since Randy Moss.

you aint never lie. I will be pissed if the redskins got Quinn. They will terriorize our QB and be in our backfield almost all game. He is legit. Him and orakpo will fest on Romo. If he is there at 9 i would rather us take him...lol so we can terriorize other opponents backfield. I like him better than von miller as SOLB. I wonder if we would move ware to SOLB and have quinn at Weakside OLB if we do draft him to help his learning curve.

[supercowboy8]

I have never been high on Quinn. He is a RDE in a 4-3 only. I dont see any way he plays he is a 3-4 OLB. He is a good pass rusher but thats it. Not great vs the run, gets eat up by blockers on the run game and CAstanzo easily pushed him around in the run game. Quinn beat Castanzo on some passing downs.

I don't think Quinn can stand up and play in a 3-4. I think he is strickly a 4-3 DE on the right side. He is little like Derek Morgan of last year.

[supercowboy8]

you aint never lie. I will be pissed if the redskins got Quinn. They will terriorize our QB and be in our backfield almost all game. He is legit. Him and orakpo will fest on Romo. If he is there at 9 i would rather us take him...lol so we can terriorize other opponents backfield. I like him better than von miller as SOLB. I wonder if we would move ware to SOLB and have quinn at Weakside OLB if we do draft him to help his learning curve.

I don't like either Miller or Quinn as a SOLB. I would rather have Spencer. There is more a SOLB does than just rush the passer. You can be scared all you want or Quinn but I'm not. Orakpo is better than Quinn and he didn't get to Romo that often last year.

[StarHead69]

I see Quinn as the ultimate Boom-or-Bust guy in this draft. So unless he is in a position of desperate need... wouldn't touch him.

[DFWJC]

No.
Robert Quinn is not "highly" overrated....

unless you grade him equally as both a 4-3 DE (much better there, imo) or a 3-4 OLB.

If Quinn goes to a solid 4-3 team, he is going to be great...not good...great.

[InmanRoshi]

Brian Orakpo...

6'3, 263 (Combine)
40 yard dash - 4.63 (Combine)
3 Cone - 7.26 (at his pro day, he didn't do the drill at the Combine)
20 yard short shuttle - 4.45 (at his pro day, he didn't do the drill at the Combine)


Robert Quinn ...
6'4, 265 (Combine)
40 yard dash - 4.62 (Combine)
3 Cone - 6.99 (Combine)
20 yard short shuttle - 4.31 (Combine)


Ugh, can someone explain to me why Robert Quinn "can't" play on his feet in a 2 point stance if Brian Orakpo can excel at it?

[Randy White]

Ugh, can someone explain to me why Robert Quinn "can't" play OLB in a 3-4 if Brian Orakpo can excel at it?


Nope..

It's a long shot, but he's my favorite player in the draft and I'd be thrilled if the Cowboys pick him if they couldn't make a move for PP. Yes, I know about Spencer and he's a solid player, but RQ has the potential to be a superstar.

B-Ware and RQ coming from opposite sides to meet in the middle (QB) ?

I can just see the Deadskins, Midgets and Beagirls putting the paper request to transfer out of the division..

[DFWJC]

Brian Orakpo ...

40 yard dash - 4.63
3 Cone - 7.26
20 yard short shuttle - 4.45

Robert Quinn ...

40 yard dash - 4.60
3 Cone - 6.99
20 yard short shuttle - 4.31


Ugh, can someone explain to me why Robert Quinn "can't" play OLB in a 3-4 if Brian Orakpo can excel at it?
Not me.

I just think he's better suited for a 4-3, but is still 1st round (but much later) worthy as a 3-4 olb.

The sheer combine numbers are not at all the reason why some don't think he will excel as an olb. They have nothing to do with it and are great, as you show above.

But even his coach was on the NFL channel last night saying the same thing.
He has some issues in coverage and is stronger as a 4-3 DE.

One guy that Butch Davis really makes sound like a great player was B Carter.

[supercowboy8]

Brian Orakpo...

6'3, 263 (Combine)
40 yard dash - 4.63 (Combine)
3 Cone - 7.26 (at his pro day, he didn't do the drill at the Combine)
20 yard short shuttle - 4.45 (at his pro day, he didn't do the drill at the Combine)


Robert Quinn numbers ...
6'4, 265 (Combine)
40 yard dash - 4.62 (Combine)
3 Cone - 6.99 (Combine)
20 yard short shuttle - 4.31 (Combine)


Ugh, can someone explain to me why Robert Quinn "can't" play on his feet in a 2 point stance if Brian Orakpo can excel at it?


good way to point out how a person can get lost with work out and combine numbers and not the way the player plays.

Orakpo in college could play the run, get off a block and double team. Quinn can not.

[TheCount]

I think he's got great athleticism though and he's smart on the field, that will help his chances in the NFL. But to be considered a Top 10 pick after missing a year of football is virtually unheard of.


Brian Orakpo...

6'3, 263 (Combine)
40 yard dash - 4.63 (Combine)
3 Cone - 7.26 (at his pro day, he didn't do the drill at the Combine)
20 yard short shuttle - 4.45 (at his pro day, he didn't do the drill at the Combine)


Robert Quinn ...
6'4, 265 (Combine)
40 yard dash - 4.62 (Combine)
3 Cone - 6.99 (Combine)
20 yard short shuttle - 4.31 (Combine)


Ugh, can someone explain to me why Robert Quinn "can't" play on his feet in a 2 point stance if Brian Orakpo can excel at it?

I think Quinn would make a fine 3-4 OLB, but you are totally cherry picking your numbers and in some cases misrepresenting them entirely.

Quinn did not do a 6.99 3-Cone at the combine, that was his pro day. He did not do a 4.31 shuttle at the combine, that was also at his pro day.

Quinn's Combine Numbers:

40 Yrd Dash: 4.62
3-Cone Drill: 7.13
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.40

[InmanRoshi]

good way to point out how a person can get lost with work out and combine numbers and not the way the player plays.

Orakpo in college could play the run, get off a block and double team. Quinn can not.

Good way to point out how a person could convince themselves they're an imaginary internet draft scout who has actually broken down gametape of these players ather than just watching a few Youtube clips or blindly regurgitating what they read on a bio somewhere on 40-year-old-virgin-in-his-mothers-basement-wannabe-internet-scout.com.

Amazing how a player can rack up 19 tackles for losses (first in the ACC) as a true sophomore when he supposedly can't get off blocks against the run.

[Chocolate Lab]

Quinn seems like a textbook 34 OLB to me... He's smallish to be a 43 DE.

And I'd take him before Orakpo.

[CATCH17]

Heck no. Quinn is a stud and another blah year from Spencer and we'll be wishing we drafted him.

I hope he doesn't go to Washington.

[jobberone]

No, Quinn is not overrated.

[supercowboy8]

Good way to point out how a person could convince themselves they're an imaginary internet draft scout who has actually broken down gametape of these players ather than just watching a few Youtube clips or blindly regurgitating what they read on a bio somewhere on 40-year-old-virgin-in-his-mothers-basement-wannabe-internet-scout.com.

Amazing how a player can rack up 19 tackles for losses (first in the ACC) as a true sophomore when he supposedly can't get off blocks against the run.

wow all those tackles for a loss, why don't we take Bowers at 9. Again lost in the numbers. Watch a game please and not you tube highlight and reading draft mags and scouting reports.

I just don't think QUinn is a 3-4 OLB. I wathced him play in 09, did you? Calm down, just because I don't like the man your in love with no reason to go on the attack. I watched UNC every game the past two years. I like Quinn, I never said he will be a bust, all I said is that he is only a 4-3 DE. I don't see him as a 3-4 OLB and surely not a 3-4 SOLB.

[supercowboy8]

Heck no. Quinn is a stud and another blah year from Spencer and we'll be wishing we drafted him.

I hope he doesn't go to Washington.
why, so we can have another WOLB.

People just don't understand what a SOLB role is. WOLB and SOLB are two different positions.

I would rather have quinton coples next year in the draft. He is a true 3-4 SOLB.

[CATCH17]

why, so we can have another WOLB.

People just don't understand what a SOLB role is. WOLB and SOLB are two different positions.

I would rather have quinton coples next year in the draft. He is a true 3-4 SOLB.

Lol whatever.

[supercowboy8]

Lol whatever.
LOL whatever:laugh2:

[RS12]

I think the guy will be a beast. Has the lower the shoulder, contort the body ability that Ware has at full speed. If the Cowboys went defense first round, he'd be my pick.

[DFWJC]

The guy reminds me (at least somewhat) of Bruce Smith.
Same exact size, similar shape and movement....everything.

Of course, Bruce Smith was one of the very best ever based on many other unmeasurable qualities.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't love him in the run game. I think he could be a heck of a Weak Side OLB in a 34 if you use him that way. I think he could have trouble as a Strong Side OLB. He doesn't do well when he get engaged against the Run. He definitely needs to improve on that if he's going to be succesful as a Strong Side 34 OLB. JMO

[supercowboy8]

I don't love him in the run game. I think he could be a heck of a Weak Side OLB in a 34 if you use him that way. I think he could have trouble as a Strong Side OLB. He doesn't do well when he get engaged against the Run. He definitely needs to improve on that if he's going to be succesful as a Strong Side 34 OLB. JMO

I agree 100%

[supercowboy8]

The guy reminds me (at least somewhat) of Bruce Smith.
Same exact size, similar shape and movement....everything.

Of course, Bruce Smith was one of the very best ever based on many other unmeasurable qualities.

no not at all. Smith played most of his career as a DE in a 3-4. No way Quinn could be a 3-4 DE.

[DFWJC]

The guy reminds me (at least somewhat) of Bruce Smith.
Same exact size, similar shape and movement....everything.

Of course, Bruce Smith was one of the very best ever based on many other unmeasurable qualities.
Butch Davis (Quinn's coach at UNC) was on the NFLNW last night.
He says that Quinn reminds him most of Michael Strahan ability wise.
He would have to gain 10 lbs to be Strahan's size, but the guy has zero body fat so i bet he could do that in his sleep.

As for Bruce Smith...Quinn is his exact same size.

[supercowboy8]

Butch Davis (Quinn's coach at UNC) was on the NFLNW last night.
He says that Quinn reminds him most of Michael Strahan ability wise.
He would have to gain 10 lbs to be Strahan's size, but the guy has zero body fat so i bet he could do that in his sleep.

As for Bruce Smith...Quinn is his exact same size.
Strahan I can see, strickley a 4-3 DE, which is what I think Quinn is.

[shnagy]

Strahan I can see, strickley a 4-3 DE, which is what I think Quinn is.

I'm glad you pointed this out. I had no idea what you thought of him until this post.

[supercowboy8]

I'm glad you pointed this out. I had no idea what you thought of him until this post.
I'm glad you pointed this out because I had no idea that you could read

[Alexander]

No, Quinn is a quality pass rusher, dare I say a rare one.

If you put him at 4-3 end and just expect him to rush the passer, you would have a hard time calling him overrated. Even Butch Davis has remarked that he is not exactly a great 3-4 prospect.

If he is overrated, it is by pundits who believe he is a great fit for practically any system--particularly after taking a year off of football.

[Alexander]

The guy reminds me (at least somewhat) of Bruce Smith.
Same exact size, similar shape and movement....everything.

You must have a particularly fuzzy memory of Bruce Smith then.

[DFWJC]

You must have a particularly fuzzy memory of Bruce Smith then.
I did not mention him as a player (noticed you cut that part out).

I was talking about his size (exactly 6'4 265) , shape (both pretty well built) and movement (both fluid and fast around the corner)....and even basically said that means very little unless you can play.

Instincts, heart, etc are obviously what separate HOFers from the guys who just look the part.

I remember Bruce Smith very well. :D

[InmanRoshi]

wow all those tackles for a loss, why don't we take Bowers at 9. Again lost in the numbers.

a) If not for knee issues, I would have no problem taking Bowers at #9. He's a Top 3 pick talent.

b) In the case those "numbers" were representations of what happened on the football field. You said he can't get off blocks against the run. I find it incredible that a guy who can't get off blocks in the running game leads his conference in tackles for loss at 20 years old.

Then again, you claim you've broken down all his game tape over the last two years, so I'll bow to your unique expertise. :laugh1: :laugh1:

[shnagy]

I'm glad you pointed this out because I had no idea that you could read

You're so cute when you're angry.

[supercowboy8]

You're so cute when you're angry.
thats what your mom says

[shnagy]

thats what your mom says

I wish she were still alive.

[BAT]

:laugh2: Quinn is going to make a lot of haters crow gourmets. This kid is 6'4 265 and runs a 4.59. He plays with a nasty streak and has a great work ethic. And he is only 20 yrs old.

Quinn will get better. His combine numbers are already better than Spencers. I have no doubt his pro production will too.