Just talked to a reliable source...

[TheSport78]

If Patrick Peterson is out of reach, it's becoming more likely that Dallas will trade down, try to pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd, and draft....

JJ Watt from Wisconsin.

A report came out that the Cowboys LOVE him, and it's very sincere and true.

Watt will be the target in a trade down, and the Cowboys could use those extra, acquired picks to move back into the late 1st, and target an OT like Nate Solder or Derek Sherrod if they happen to fall.

[Alexander]

Cool source, bro.

[TheSport78]

Sorry for the double post. This is posted in the Draft Zone also. Sorry mods.

[Alexander]

Sorry for the double post. This is posted in the Draft Zone also. Sorry mods.
Cool double post, too.

[TheSport78]

Cool double post, too.

Okay? :confused:

[SDogo]

If Patrick Peterson is out of reach, it's becoming more likely that Dallas will trade down, try to pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd, and draft....

JJ Watt from Wisconsin.

A report came out that the Cowboys LOVE him, and it's very sincere and true.

Watt will be the target in a trade down, and the Cowboys could use those extra, acquired picks to move back into the late 1st, and target an OT like Nate Solder or Derek Sherrod if they happen to fall.


Good stuff bro.

[TheSport78]

Good stuff bro.

I look forward to you and Hos' info every year! :starspin

[GloryDaysRBack]

Did you try and dig a little on Peterson? Is 5 within reach? 6? Are we definitely going to make an offer if he falls to 5 or 6?

[TheSport78]

Did you try and dig a little on Peterson? Is 5 within reach? 6? Are we definitely going to make an offer if he falls to 5 or 6?

He didn't go into detail about Peterson, but if he gets within "striking distance," Jerry is going to make a deal. I think Hos reported yesterday that we already have a deal in place with Cleveland at #6 if Peterson falls to them.

[realtick]

If Patrick Peterson is out of reach, it's becoming more likely that Dallas will trade down, try to pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd, and draft....

JJ Watt from Wisconsin.

A report came out that the Cowboys LOVE him, and it's very sincere and true.

Watt will be the target in a trade down, and the Cowboys could use those extra, acquired picks to move back into the late 1st, and target an OT like Nate Solder or Derek Sherrod if they happen to fall.

I tell you what, I wouldn't be upset at all if we somehow landed J.J. Watt and OT like Sherrod or Solder in the late 20s.

That would be a coup.

[johnnyd]

I would be very happy with this if Sherrod is the OT we get . I really think he has a chance to be a terrific player. I can't say the same with Solder.

Good stuff OP thanks

[TheSport78]

No problem guys. I would rather have Watt and Sherrod than JUST Tyron Smith.

[ABQcowboyJR]

No problem guys. I would rather have Watt and Sherrod than JUST Tyron Smith.

I'd rather walk away with just watt than t.smith. I can see this being a very plausible scenario. Its what my original mock looked like just not sherrod.

[tupperware]

He loves his source.

[UnoDallas]

If Patrick Peterson is out of reach, it's becoming more likely that Dallas will trade down, try to pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd, and draft....

JJ Watt from Wisconsin.

A report came out that the Cowboys LOVE him, and it's very sincere and true.

Watt will be the target in a trade down, and the Cowboys could use those extra, acquired picks to move back into the late 1st, and target an OT like Nate Solder or Derek Sherrod if they happen to fall.


well Sport - I am still not changing my mock - I refuse to put DE in my MOCK esp the first pick

I'd rather have
#14 – 18
Gabe Carimi Wis OT Wis 6-7 #315
Athony Castonzo, OT, Boston College 6-7 #311
Derek Sherrod, OT Mississippi State 6-6 #317

they can leave Watt out IMO - don't want him

I am telling you Sherrod will be gone by 25

IMO I got taking or looking at OT

I got the
18 New York Giants:
21 KC Kansas City Chiefs:
22 Indianapolis Colts -
23 Eagles -
thats not counting the Ravens, Pitt, Packers

blowing smoke somewhere

or Jerry is blowing the draft by taking Watt

[kristie]

awesome job. :)

[supercowboy8]

I'm ok with Watt if we rade back enough to get an extra 2nd and 4th. Then add the 2nd and 3rd to move back in to get either Sherrod or Carimi but no way do I want Solder, I would rather take Carpenter. If we can get an extra 2nd and 4th then I would do it. then trade both 4th to get back into the 3rd.
1st Watt
1st Sherrod
2nd Harris
3rd Rackley

[Hoofbite]

I just can't get on board with a 1st round DE after watching Ball and Colombo hamstring the team for an entire season.

[RS12]

I just can't get on board with a 1st round DE after watching Ball and Colombo hamstring the team for an entire season.

Cant fault you for your eye sight.

[Fla Cowpoke]

I just can't get on board with a 1st round DE after watching Ball and Colombo hamstring the team for an entire season.

There isn't a first round S in the draft.

[supercowboy8]

I just can't get on board with a 1st round DE after watching Ball and Colombo hamstring the team for an entire season.

I agree but there is a 1st round FS except for Peterson or when FA starts we get Huff.
Now as for RT they said we would trade back in to the 1st and get a RT, hopefully not Solder, I like Sherrod but he isn't really a true RT and Castanzo will be gone, maybe Carimi will be there. I hope we can pull of Watt, Carimi, Harris, and Rackley. That would make me a very very happy fan. Then sign Huff, Daniel Manning, and Justin Blalock. Cut Colombo, Barber, and Davis. Sounds like a plan to me.

[TheCount]

Watt's grown on me, wouldn't mind if he were the pick but I still feel like he'll have a tough time making much impact in a 3-4.

[dmq]

Would rather take an OT w/ both picks.

[Bizwah]

I really like the Watt possiblility.

I'm having a tough time seeing how a trade-up for Peterson will work. I love the idea of drafting him....I just don't see how we could fill our needs on the OL, DL, and MLB with trading up.

Trade down to 14 for an extra third....

Select JJ Watt

Use a third plus our early second to trade up late in first to take...

Nate Solder

Use our third to take....

Martez Wilson

Use our fourth to take....

Demarcus VanDyke

Fifth round....

Deunta Williams

Lots of possibilities in a trade-down.

[supercowboy8]

Watt's grown on me, wouldn't mind if he were the pick but I still feel like he'll have a tough time making much impact in a 3-4.

really, why? I see him as a true 3-4 DE. He played DT, inside slant DE, outside DE and even up on his feet like a LB at Wisconsin. He used strength to control the blockers and hold his ground. Also used power to bull through the blockers to get to the ball. He can collapse a pocket and get pressure and he has great heart and that never give up attitude. You have to love his motor.
I think if we trade back a few times, add mutiple picks and Watt then its a great start to the draft. Watt had 21 TFL this past college season.
Watt reminds me alot of Justin Smith.

[unionjack8]

meh, spears had a better career in college than watt and he gets crucified. i guess i'd be just ok with this but n ot excited

[supercowboy8]

meh, spears had a better career in college than watt and he gets crucified. i guess i'd be just ok with this but not excited

I agree spears had a great college career but I never thought he had the heart and motor to play 3-4 DE. Watt does. Spears seems to give up or just does his job. Spears can take on blocks and stop the run and redirect running backs and close lanes but isn't a great pass rushers. Spears was a DT at LSU and got pressure up the middle. Watt played all over the line, even standing up like a OLB on some plays.

[TheSport78]

I agree spears had a great college career but I never thought he had the heart and motor to play 3-4 DE. Watt does. Spears seems to give up or just does his job. Spears can take on blocks and stop the run and redirect running backs and close lanes but isn't a great pass rushers. Spears was a DT at LSU and got pressure up the middle. Watt played all over the line, even standing up like a OLB on some plays.

This is why I think Rob Ryan's input will play a role in who we select on Thursday. Watt would be a 3 down player for us. I think that's a big value right now. He could play in the base and then slide inside in nickel/dime situations. Spears and Olshansky were never more than 2 down players and Bowen is best suited in 3rd down, pass rushing situations.

[This is Our Year]

When you say "out of reach" does that mean where the club projects him to go so we can trade up? Or out of reach at 9, because there's no way he falls to 9. However, I do hope we trade up and land the guy!

[Dcowboy84]

my thing with Watt is that if we picked him we would need to trade back enough to make it a good value for a 3-4 DE. would he be filling Spears' role? does that mean he's automatically the starter with Igor and Bowen/Hatcher are backups again?

we took Spears at 20 and he has been solid but i don't think he's played like a 1st round value. we've done a good job picking DEs in the later rounds/UFA

can Watt play inside in the nickel? i think that's a big key if we were to pick a DE in the 1st round, they can't be just a 2-down run stopper.

i personally am more a fan of Cam Jordan if we go with a DE. he's played all his college years in a 3-4 and he can move all over the line. he just seems like a greater value if we go down to picks 13-17

[RS12]

If they get Watt I'd rather dump Igor and resign Spears.

[TheSport78]

my thing with Watt is that if we picked him we would need to trade back enough to make it a good value for a 3-4 DE. would he be filling Spears' role? does that mean he's automatically the starter with Igor and Bowen/Hatcher are backups again?

we took Spears at 20 and he has been solid but i don't think he's played like a 1st round value. we've done a good job picking DEs in the later rounds/UFA

can Watt play inside in the nickel? i think that's a big key if we were to pick a DE in the 1st round, they can't be just a 2-down run stopper.

i personally am more a fan of Cam Jordan if we go with a DE. he's played all his college years in a 3-4 and he can move all over the line. he just seems like a greater value if we go down to picks 13-17

I think he can.

[supercowboy8]

my thing with Watt is that if we picked him we would need to trade back enough to make it a good value for a 3-4 DE. would he be filling Spears' role? does that mean he's automatically the starter with Igor and Bowen/Hatcher are backups again?

we took Spears at 20 and he has been solid but i don't think he's played like a 1st round value. we've done a good job picking DEs in the later rounds/UFA

can Watt play inside in the nickel? i think that's a big key if we were to pick a DE in the 1st round, they can't be just a 2-down run stopper.

i personally am more a fan of Cam Jordan if we go with a DE. he's played all his college years in a 3-4 and he can move all over the line. he just seems like a greater value if we go down to picks 13-17

No way Watt makes it past 17 or 18. NE and SD would both like to have him. Spears is gone, I think Watt is more of a 3-4 RDE. I would move Igor to LDE.

[HoleInTheRoof]

I just spoke to a reliable source as well.

He stated that the team believes they have holes at OT, DE, and in the secondary.

He went on to say we will likely look to address those holes in the draft.

And he confirmed that we have the 9th overall selection, although we may either trade up, down, or remain at 9. It depends on stuff.

:starspin

[TheCount]

really, why? I see him as a true 3-4 DE. He played DT, inside slant DE, outside DE and even up on his feet like a LB at Wisconsin. He used strength to control the blockers and hold his ground. Also used power to bull through the blockers to get to the ball. He can collapse a pocket and get pressure and he has great heart and that never give up attitude. You have to love his motor.
I think if we trade back a few times, add mutiple picks and Watt then its a great start to the draft. Watt had 21 TFL this past college season.
Watt reminds me alot of Justin Smith.

I meant an impact in the way people expect around here, I don't think you need a 1st rounder to do the things a 3-4 DE does, but maybe I'm wrong.

I can promise you he won't be making 20 TFL in the 3-4. :laugh2:

[UnoDallas]

Watt's grown on me, wouldn't mind if he were the pick but I still feel like he'll have a tough time making much impact in a 3-4.


ok so Watt

we might 3 or 4 good plays from him a game I get that from Igor

Watt in 2009, registering 44 tackles, 15.5 TFL and 4.5 sacks. This past year Watt continued to improve. He had 62 tackles, 21 TFL, 7 sacks and 3 forced fumbles.

consider this was a 4-3 D

empressive numbers - NOT

he will be another Igor

I am sorry I just don't see it the logic behind this move

your source is getting smoke blown up his

[Gaede]

he will be another Igor



Funny how you went from comparing Watt to Marcus Spears and now to Igor. You must've realized, after everyone told you in a different thread, that there were zero similarities between Spears and Watt (except that they play the same position) and now are reaching for another unfavourable, and retarded, comparison. But hey, at least Igor and Watt have two things in common--they play the same position and have the same colour of skin! They must be the same then

[UnoDallas]

Funny how you went from comparing Watt to Marcus Spears and now to Igor. You must've realized, after everyone told you in a different thread, that there were zero similarities between Spears and Watt (except that they play the same position) and now are reaching for another unfavourable, and retarded, comparison. But hey, at least Igor and Watt have two things in common--they play the same position and have the same colour of skin! They must be the same then

doubtful that was me - I never have even talked about Watt

he has never been on my radar - never will be

I see a ZERO chance in that he will be our number one pick

and if Jerry picks him then its another year of bad drafting

when he has his choice of a OT that would be a dumb move IMO

but no lets keep on paying outrageous money on FA's that sounds smart


ok calling me retarded - thats rich plus real classy

[TheSport78]

Updating what I reported yesterday, Goose has Dallas selecting Watt in his latest mock:

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/4/25/2131355/gosselin-mock-draft-j-j-watt-to-cowboys

[garyv]

the Cowboys Pick. I trust Mossley more than Goose with his Cowboys pick

[TheSport78]

the Cowboys Pick. I trust Mossley more than Goose with his Cowboys pick

Except last year when he nailed the Dez Bryant trade up, right?

[ThreeandOut]

Except last year when he nailed the Dez Bryant trade up, right?

But it's usually Gooses final mock that is the most important. We'll have to wait until Wednesday evening or Thursday morning for that one.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

You still think they love Greg Jones?

[Sam I Am]

If they get Watt I'd rather dump Igor and resign Spears.

That is the more expensive option. :laugh2:

[TheSport78]

But it's usually Gooses final mock that is the most important. We'll have to wait until Wednesday evening or Thursday morning for that one.

Goose had Dez in his 2nd AND final mock draft last year.

[Hostile]

That is the more expensive option. :laugh2:People never get this stuff.

[Woods]

If Dallas trades down to between spot 14-17, I could easily be the choice being Watt.

At least 1 if not both of the top two ranked OTs will be gone by then.

Between Watt, Cam Jordan, Pouncey, A Smith, and maybe Prince (though he may also be gone), I'd take Watt.

[visionary]

If Dallas trades down to between spot 14-17, I could easily be the choice being Watt.

At least 1 if not both of the top two ranked OTs will be gone by then.

Between Watt, Cam Jordan, Pouncey, A Smith, and maybe Prince (though he may also be gone), I'd take Watt.

between them, i would go pouncey (OG/C)

and then go carpenter/ijalana with our 2nd for ROT

[TheSport78]

If Dallas trades down to between spot 14-17, I could easily be the choice being Watt.

At least 1 if not both of the top two ranked OTs will be gone by then.

Between Watt, Cam Jordan, Pouncey, A Smith, and maybe Prince (though he may also be gone), I'd take Watt.

I definitely agree with this. Watt brings a pass-rushing ability to our DL that was nonexistent last year. Ware and Ratliff need help. The only two defensive players that would really make an immediate impact this year are Patrick Peterson and JJ Watt IMO.

between them, i would go pouncey (OG/C)

and then go carpenter/ijalana with our 2nd for ROT

The reason why I wouldn't touch Pouncey in the first round, is because he's a one-position player. He wasn't successful at center. Dallas likes versatility in their lineman. If we're going to trade down, I would prefer Watt in the mid-teens, and then we could trade up in the late 1st/early 2nd if we wanted an OT/OG like Danny Watkins, James Carpenter, Derek Sherrod, etc.

[visionary]

I definitely agree with this. Watt brings a pass-rushing ability to our DL that was nonexistent last year. Ware and Ratliff need help. The only two defensive players that would really make an immediate impact this year are Patrick Peterson and JJ Watt IMO.



The reason why I wouldn't touch Pouncey in the first round, is because he's a one-position player. He wasn't successful at center. Dallas likes versatility in their lineman. If we're going to trade down, I would prefer Watt in the mid-teens, and then we could trade up in the late 1st/early 2nd if we wanted an OT/OG like Danny Watkins, James Carpenter, Derek Sherrod, etc.

i agree with you overall but think that OL is #1 priority and 3-4 DE is not a prime position. there really is no 3-4 DE in the NFL right now (other than seymour) that you would say justified a top 15 selection. there is a reason for this, 3-4 DE dont end up making that much of an impact as far as pressure is concerned.

if we feel pouncey is limited (i dont agree because i think that he will be able to play C later) then we pick up costanzo/carimi there and go G like ijalana/cannon in 2 or rackley in 3

[Sam I Am]

If Dallas trades down to between spot 14-17, I could easily be the choice being Watt.

At least 1 if not both of the top two ranked OTs will be gone by then.

Between Watt, Cam Jordan, Pouncey, A Smith, and maybe Prince (though he may also be gone), I'd take Watt.

Maybe so. Watt or Prince. I think you can win with either pick between 14-17. I think Pouncey would be third.

One reason I like Watt over Jordan is leadership. I think Watt will be a great addition for a myriad of reasons.

[TheSport78]

i agree with you overall but think that OL is #1 priority and 3-4 DE is not a prime position. there really is no 3-4 DE in the NFL right now (other than seymour) that you would say justified a top 15 selection. there is a reason for this, 3-4 DE dont end up making that much of an impact as far as pressure is concerned.

if we feel pouncey is limited (i dont agree because i think that he will be able to play C later) then we pick up costanzo/carimi there and go G like ijalana/cannon in 2 or rackley in 3

Maybe the Cowboys don't put a premium on the DE position, but the fact is, the last time we had a solid DE in Chris Canty back in 2008 (who was next to Ware most of the time), Ware had a league-high 20 sacks. In fact, we had a ridiculous amount of sacks that year. Ever since Canty has left, and Igor has come in, our sack total has declined. So while players like Spears and Canty will never be prolific players, they definitely have an impact on the field and make other players around them better.

[DCBoysfan]

If Patrick Peterson is out of reach, it's becoming more likely that Dallas will trade down, try to pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd, and draft....

JJ Watt from Wisconsin.

A report came out that the Cowboys LOVE him, and it's very sincere and true.

Watt will be the target in a trade down, and the Cowboys could use those extra, acquired picks to move back into the late 1st, and target an OT like Nate Solder or Derek Sherrod if they happen to fall.


This makes sense

[speedkilz88]

I definitely agree with this. Watt brings a pass-rushing ability to our DL that was nonexistent last year. Ware and Ratliff need help. The only two defensive players that would really make an immediate impact this year are Patrick Peterson and JJ Watt IMO.



The reason why I wouldn't touch Pouncey in the first round, is because he's a one-position player. He wasn't successful at center. Dallas likes versatility in their lineman. If we're going to trade down, I would prefer Watt in the mid-teens, and then we could trade up in the late 1st/early 2nd if we wanted an OT/OG like Danny Watkins, James Carpenter, Derek Sherrod, etc.
From what I've seen on Pouncey, he got better as the season went along. You have to think that was his first experience playing center since when he was growing up his brother was most likely playing that position.

[casmith07]

Watt's grown on me, wouldn't mind if he were the pick but I still feel like he'll have a tough time making much impact in a 3-4.

Watt would make a much better impact that Olshansky.

[unionjack8]

I definitely agree with this. Watt brings a pass-rushing ability to our DL that was nonexistent last year. Ware and Ratliff need help. The only two defensive players that would really make an immediate impact this year are Patrick Peterson and JJ Watt IMO.



The reason why I wouldn't touch Pouncey in the first round, is because he's a one-position player. He wasn't successful at center. Dallas likes versatility in their lineman. If we're going to trade down, I would prefer Watt in the mid-teens, and then we could trade up in the late 1st/early 2nd if we wanted an OT/OG like Danny Watkins, James Carpenter, Derek Sherrod, etc.

save for a great move over the centre in the ohio st game i only ever see him beat TE's to get sacks. He's so blah to me. I love his hustle but this isnt college, hustle alone wont get it done. I see a guy who is near or already has reached his ceiling. Now , i've been wrong before but i just dont see it.

[DFWJC]

No problem guys. I would rather have Watt and Sherrod than JUST Tyron Smith and Akeem Ayers or Ras-I Dowling, or Aaron Williams, or Brandon Harris or Marvin Austin or ....
fixed it for you :D

[visionary]

Maybe the Cowboys don't put a premium on the DE position, but the fact is, the last time we had a solid DE in Chris Canty back in 2008 (who was next to Ware most of the time), Ware had a league-high 20 sacks. In fact, we had a ridiculous amount of sacks that year. Ever since Canty has left, and Igor has come in, our sack total has declined. So while players like Spears and Canty will never be prolific players, they definitely have an impact on the field and make other players around them better.

agree with what you are saying but you are making my point

canty was not picked in the top 15, not even in the first round

point is that these 3-4 DEs can be found in lower rounds

[Wood]

If Patrick Peterson is out of reach, it's becoming more likely that Dallas will trade down, try to pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd, and draft....

JJ Watt from Wisconsin.

A report came out that the Cowboys LOVE him, and it's very sincere and true.

Watt will be the target in a trade down, and the Cowboys could use those extra, acquired picks to move back into the late 1st, and target an OT like Nate Solder or Derek Sherrod if they happen to fall.

Just so we can follow along....Dallas loves JJ Watt, Castonzo, Peterson, Aldon Smith, Andy Dalton...let me know if I forgot any.

[TheSport78]

agree with what you are saying but you are making my point

canty was not picked in the top 15, not even in the first round

point is that these 3-4 DEs can be found in lower rounds

I see what you are saying, but the only reason Canty fell was because of injury concerns, the eye incident probably shied teams away as well. But if it wasn't for the torn ACL, he was projected as a 1st round pick.

[visionary]

Watt would make a much better impact that Olshansky.

but cas, the question is not whether whoever we pick will make more of an impact than who we havem the question is whether who we pick will make more of an impact than who we would have picked at that spot

ie not watt vs olshansky

rather

watt vs smith/costanzo/etc

[UnoDallas]

Updating what I reported yesterday, Goose has Dallas selecting Watt in his latest mock:

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/4/25/2131355/gosselin-mock-draft-j-j-watt-to-cowboys

that makes it offical then

we will not pick Watt

:lmao2:

[casmith07]

but cas, the question is not whether whoever we pick will make more of an impact than who we havem the question is whether who we pick will make more of an impact than who we would have picked at that spot

ie not watt vs olshansky

rather

watt vs smith/costanzo/etc

That's a fair assessment and I agree with that. I think Smith or Costanzo would make more of an impact than Watt.

[newlander]

That's a fair assessment and I agree with that. I think Smith or Costanzo would make more of an impact than Watt.


....the more I think about it, we should take Smith. Kid is a beast and a half. We could RUE if we don't.....;)

[Avery]

Remember that Goose's 2nd to last mock is more towards how he ranks players overall vs. where they'll go. The one he puts out on Thursday will be the best representation of a true mock.

[DFWJC]

Remember that Goose's 2nd to last mock is more towards how he ranks players overall vs. where they'll go. The one he puts out on Thursday will be the best representation of a true mock.
Always a good idea to remind some of this.
His mocks mean nothing until the day of. Then they tend to be fairly accurate.

[ghst187]

If Patrick Peterson is out of reach, it's becoming more likely that Dallas will trade down, try to pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd, and draft....

JJ Watt from Wisconsin.

A report came out that the Cowboys LOVE him, and it's very sincere and true.

Watt will be the target in a trade down, and the Cowboys could use those extra, acquired picks to move back into the late 1st, and target an OT like Nate Solder or Derek Sherrod if they happen to fall.

then i'll pray Watt is long gone when we pick, what a waste.
Why not just draft another QB or WR or another position that we don't desperately need? At least the value for pick would make more sense.