Clarence Hill: Cowboys leaning towards Costanzo over T. Smith

[InmanRoshi]

http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.com/cowboys/2011/04/cowboys-will-likely-draft-ot-costanzo-but-they-should-take-smith.html

[diehard2294]

if they move down to 17th they may not get either one

[speedkilz88]

As long as the QBs go like Goose thinks, then Castonzo should fall. He had him at 22 in his mock.

[InmanRoshi]

As long as the QBs go like Goose thinks, then Castonzo should fall. He had him at 22 in his mock.

Goose will be the first to tell you to not put too much value in Mocks.

[jblaze2004]

if they move down to 17th they may not get either one

then take pouncey if there or carimi(sp?) or nate solder if we looking for someone to develope (that can be both RT and LT) like t. smith.

but the only way i trade to 17 is if the patriots give us a stunning deal. 17 an 28 or 17,33 and something ese.

[Aven8]

Wow this is big news!!! When did this happen?? Give me notepad and a tape recorder and I'll get more new then this!!

:rolleyes:

[Gaede]

Good, even though I'm not a great big fan of Castonzo, but I prefer him to Smith.

[InmanRoshi]

If the Cowboys think Costanzo is the best tackle in the draft, you trust your scouts and take the best tackle in the draft. I'm sick of Dallas trading down and taking lower tier talents.

[speedkilz88]

Goose will be the first to tell you to not put too much value in Mocks.He also has him ranked 16th overall in his top 100. Everything points to Castonzo being available at 17.

[Chocolate Lab]

I don't trust our scouts/decision makers on the OL anyway. Maybe we should just trade back and take whichever one is still there. :o:

[Woods]

I don't trust our scouts/decision makers on the OL anyway. Maybe we should just trade back and take whichever one is still there. :o:

I'm actually ok with Sherrod.

I'd guess he go right at the end of the 1st early 2nd.

[InmanRoshi]

He also has him ranked 16th overall in his top 100. Everything points to Castonzo being available at 17.

He also said on Norm last week that if the Cowboys want to make sure they get either T. Smith or Castonzo that they better not fall below 13 or so.


You're taking these rankings and mockdrafts as though it's a hard math and science, when it's anything but. Players are drafted within a wide variance of their rankings. It's hardly some big surprise when a player ranked 13th go 9, or when a player ranked 15th goes 12. Every team's need and board is different.

[bbgun]

more likely Hill and his peers are being used to spread disinformation

[Chocolate Lab]

I'm actually ok with Sherrod.
Same here.

Not that I can claim to have seen any of these guys very much, but I might like Castanzo the least, from what I've seen.

And I guess this could be disinformation, but several of the local guys have gradually turned to saying in the last week that we prefer Castonzo to Smith.

[speedkilz88]

He also said on Norm last week that if the Cowboys want to make sure they get either T. Smith or Castonzo that they better not fall below 13 or so.


You're taking these rankings and mockdrafts as though it's a hard math and science, when it's anything but. Players are drafted within a wide variance of their rankings. It's hardly some big surprise when a player ranked 13th go 9, or when a player ranked 15th goes 12. Every team's need and board is different.
I'm looking at it objectively, he should be there. There are also other players the Cowboys like that should be there. No matter what there will be a very good player at 17.

[TheCount]

Costonzo strikes me as solid, but not special. I guess at 9, I want a little sizzle to go with my steak.

[Woods]

Same here.

Not that I can claim to have seen any of these guys very much, but I might like Castanzo the least, from what I've seen.

And I guess this could be disinformation, but several of the local guys have gradually turned to saying in the last week that we prefer Castonzo to Smith.

As much as I prefer Smith to Castonzo, I'm coming to the realization that the Cowboys could well be going the other way.

As long as the Cowboys are right, I couldn't be happier if that's the player they prefer.

But I just don't see Castonzo as the 9th best player in the Draft. I really hope we can trade down a couple picks and still get him.

[Woods]

Costonzo strikes me as solid, but not special. I guess at 9, I want a little sizzle to go with my steak I guess.

Good way to put it.

[supercowboy8]

Costonzo strikes me as solid, but not special. I guess at 9, I want a little sizzle to go with my steak I guess.

Dallas isn't picking at 9. Jerry will trade.

I want my draft weekend to end with Harris, Rackely, and Ellis on this team. Then add Castanzo, Smith or Carimi and I am happy.

[InmanRoshi]

more likely Hill and his peers are being used to spread disinformation

Yeah, I mean who could have ever envisioned the Cowboys drafting Felix Jones. Or Anthony Spencer.

Oh wait, everyone did.

If you follow the Cowboys drafts and the Dallas media for any amount of time, you know the locals are usually pretty good at sniffing out who the Cowboys like through their sources.

[Chocolate Lab]

As long as the Cowboys are right, I couldn't be happier if that's the player they prefer.

Well, that's always true. No matter what, I wish people could let go of their pre-draft prejudices a little bit, admit that we don't know how any of these guys will turn out, and just hope for the best.

I know that's too much to ask for, though. ;)

[Sarge]

Costonzo strikes me as solid, but not special. I guess at 9, I want a little sizzle to go with my steak I guess.

Ya, but I'd rather eat my steak this year as opposed to 3 years from now.

[Doomsday101]

Yeah, I mean who could have ever envisioned the Cowboys drafting Felix Jones. Or Anthony Spencer.

Oh wait, everyone did.

If you follow the Cowboys drafts and the Dallas media for any amount of time, you know the locals are usually pretty good at sniffing out who the Cowboys like through their sources.

Hell they had us taking Cam Newton a few weeks back. You throw enough names out there your bound to be right.

[bbgun]

Yeah, I mean who could have ever envisioned the Cowboys drafting Felix Jones. Or Anthony Spencer.

Oh wait, everyone did.

If you follow the Cowboys drafts and the Dallas media for any amount of time, you know the locals are usually pretty good at sniffing out who the Cowboys like through their sources.

:confused:

So did a lot of non-Dallas media types, simply because those players fit obvious needs at the time.

[ThreeandOut]

I don't trust our scouts/decision makers on the OL anyway. Maybe we should just trade back and take whichever one is still there. :o:

If they prefer Castanzo to Smith, then I don't trust their evaluation of OL either. The Gooselin board, which is a pretty good indicator of value among NFL teams, has Smith as the 7th rated player and Castanzo as the 16th rated player. That's a pretty significant advantage for Smith.

[InmanRoshi]

Hell they had us taking Cam Newton a few weeks back. You throw enough names out there your bound to be right.

Can I have a link to that?

All they said was that Dallas did some homework on Newton. I'm sure that's absolutely true. Im sure they did homework and scouting reports on all potential top picks. But I didn't see one single Cowboys beat writer who said the Cowboys were going to pick Cam Newton, so I would love to see your example.


By and large fans way overplay this "misinformation" stuff. Not that there isn't misinformation out there, but it's not teams playing a bunch of James Bond espionage and cloak and dagger stuff, it's more the interwebbings being the interwebbbing and people who don't have ties to teams who just regurgitate a lot of unfounded nonsense.

[speedkilz88]

If they prefer Castanzo to Smith, then I don't trust their evaluation of OL either. The Gooselin board, which is a pretty good indicator of value among NFL teams, has Smith as the 7th rated player and Castanzo as the 16th rated player. That's a pretty significant advantage for Smith.Everything on Smith is upside and from some reports it sounds like Red prefers Castonzo because of his intelligence, work ethic, locker room presence.

[TheCount]

Ya, but I'd rather eat my steak this year as opposed to 3 years from now.

I wasn't proposing Tyron over Costonzo, I am proposing Patrick Peterson. :laugh2:

[Sasquatch]

Everything on Smith is upside and from some reports it sounds like Red prefers Castonzo because of his intelligence, work ethic, locker room presence.

Maybe because Castonzo does things the "right way" and strives to be great every day.

[Sarge]

I wasn't proposing Tyron over Costonzo, I am proposing Patrick Peterson. :laugh2:

Would be nice but not gonna happen.

;)

[InmanRoshi]

:confused:

So did a lot of non-Dallas media types, simply because those players fit obvious needs at the time.

Yes, this is how the game is played every year.


Dallas media person says "I hear the Cowboys are leaning towards John Doe.

Internet Messageboard Poster A: "Oh please. Like this guy knows. If anything he's being spread a lot of misinformation. I don't believe it."

*Dallas picks John Doe"

Internet Messageboard Poster B: "Look like that media guy was right"

Internet Message Poster A: "Oh please, everyone knew they were picking John Doe. It was obvious."

Glad to see we aren't breaking tradition this year.

[Chocolate Lab]

Maybe because Castonzo does things the "right way" and strives to be great every day.

:facepalm:

You forgot "passion, emotion, and enthusiasm".

[UnoDallas]

I'm actually ok with Sherrod.

I'd guess he go right at the end of the 1st early 2nd.

hows does he get by

19 New York Giants
21 Kansas City Chiefs
22 Indianapolis Colts
23 Philadelphia Eagles
26 Baltimore Ravens
29 Chicago Bears

[Woods]

hows does he get by

19 New York Giants
21 Kansas City Chiefs
22 Indianapolis Colts
23 Philadelphia Eagles
26 Baltimore Ravens
29 Chicago Bears

Eagles maybe take a CB
Indy takes a DL like Paea
Chiefs take P Taylor
Giants take Carimi

Baltimore and Bears are close to the end of the draft.

Well, it could happen . . . . .

[InmanRoshi]

:facepalm:

You forgot "passion, emotion, and enthusiasm".

Also I head that Castonzo has a great Monday. Then he follows it up with a great Tuesday. Then he proceeds to follow that up with a great Wednesday.

[burmafrd]

then why does the majority of the nfl people who know say that Smith is clearly better?

[Chocolate Lab]

Also I head that Castonzo has a great Monday. Then he follows it up with a great Tuesday. Then he proceeds to follow that up with a great Wednesday.

He focuses on the process. :thumbsup:

[jblaze2004]

He focuses on the process. :thumbsup:

he also puts his best foot forward:lmao:

[RoyTheHammer]

Also I head that Castonzo has a great Monday. Then he follows it up with a great Tuesday. Then he proceeds to follow that up with a great Wednesday.


He also stacks great tie days on top of great tie days.. so we know he can dress the part.

[RoyTheHammer]

Honestly, if the plan is to take an OT, i really hope we trade down. I don't see any of the first tier OT's that is head and shoulders better than any of the rest. There just isn't that one guy at the position that seems like a lock. I'd be happy with Smith, Constanzo, or Carimi.. and im almost certain we can trade back and still get one of the three at least.

So again, if we are set on OT, trade back and pick up some extra much needed high round picks.

[johnnyd]

Down the road who knows? Maybe Castanzo goes on to have a better career. Fact is NOBODY knows right now for sure and It's not like Castanzo is chopped liver and being overdrafted by 2-3 rounds.

But any way you cut it sitting tight @9 and picking Castanzo over Smith is a huge disapointment today for most of us that have fallen in love with the idea of having Smith wear the star.

[jblaze2004]

yeah lets not forget jake long got abused by vernon gholston and now look who is good in the nfl and who is not.

Didn't long give up like 3 sacks?

[Big Cat]

Am I the only one who would rather have Pouncey than Castonzo?

[RoyTheHammer]

Am I the only one who would rather have Pouncey than Castonzo?

I think its just the fact that most people feel we need an OT more than an interior lineman right now, but i'd be thrilled to get Pouncey.

[jblaze2004]

Am I the only one who would rather have Pouncey than Castonzo?

i do but not until after pick 14 or more.

[stasheroo]

If the Cowboys think Costanzo is the best tackle in the draft, you trust your scouts and take the best tackle in the draft. I'm sick of Dallas trading down and taking lower tier talents.

:signmast:

Quoted for truth!

[bbgun]

more likely Hill and his peers are being used to spread disinformation

Told ya. ;)

[burmafrd]

I think Jerruh does this as naturally as most people breathe.

[RoyTheHammer]

I think Jerruh does this as naturally as most people breathe.

I honestly don't believe Jerry had alot to do with the decision.

[stasheroo]

I give Jerry and the team all the credit in the world for taking their guy and not getting cute.

Now we can all hope that they're right and Tyron Smith becomes this team's Pro Bowl Left Tackle for the next decade plus!

[Dayton Cowboy]

As long as the QBs go like Goose thinks, then Castonzo should fall. He had him at 22 in his mock.


I didn't see the see the mock, but if he's still going to the Colts at 22, then that is another correct pick for Goose.

[burmafrd]

Goose has done better this year in his mock than usual

[ThreeSportStar80]

No way.... :D