We have to assume that Jacksonville offered us 16 and 49 for 9...

[tm1119]

Correct? If so, how do you feel about not taking that deal?

[speedkilz88]

FWST reported it. I wouldn't have minded a move down.

[SDogo]

Reports say they offered the same deal to Dallas. I'm Amazed Jerry did not bite. I would of had to think hard about that one but I'm glad Dallas stayed put and took Tyron.

[GloryDaysRBack]

they did offer us 16+49 for 9 and we rejected it

looking back it would have either been Castonzo or Solder @ 16

glad we didnt make that deal

id much rather have Smith over both

[urface59]

I would have prefered Costanzo and 49

[TheCount]

Value:

9: 1,350

16: 1,000
49: 410
Total: 1,410

So yeah, we would have made out positively on that deal. Not sure why Jerry passed, especially after waiting all that time for an offer before picking Smith.

[GloryDaysRBack]

Value:

9: 1,350

16: 1,000
49: 410
Total: 1,410

So yeah, we would have made out positively on that deal. Not sure why Jerry passed, especially after waiting all that time for an offer before picking Smith.

no thanks on the 60 value points..ill take the best OT in the draft instead

[masomenos]

In a fairly weak draft I'll take the top rated guy at a position of need over a lower rated player and additional picks.

[realtick]

Reports say they offered the same deal to Dallas. I'm Amazed Jerry did not bite. I would of had to think hard about that one but I'm glad Dallas stayed put and took Tyron.

I would have taken that deal in a NYC second.

The only way to rationalize it is to believe that Dallas really felt Tyron Smith was far away the best player on its board, and not the close 1 (Smith), 1A (Castonzo), 1B (Watt), et cetera, situation that we were led to believe. Perhaps they didn't want to run the risk of losing Tyron somewhere between 10-15.

[Picksix]

Stephen said earlier that they had four guys on their short list of who they wanted. So if you trade down seven spots, too big a risk that those guys are all gone by 16. Then you have people complaining that they got too cute and missed their guy. I'd love to have 49, but I'm fine with them staying put and taking Smith.

[BearArms]

We got arguably the best OL in the draft. There were other decent options that would have been available at 16, but I love the fact that we went for the homerun with Smith. He's got the best shot at being a real star.

I might eat my words later but for now I'm happy.

[speedkilz88]

they did offer us 16+49 for 9 and we rejected it

looking back it would have either been Castonzo or Solder @ 16

glad we didnt make that deal

id much rather have Smith over bothWhat if they could have gotten Kenrick Ellis, Rahim Moore, or Will Rackley at 49 after getting Aaron Williams at 40.

[TheCount]

I would have taken that deal in a NYC second.

The only way to rationalize it is to believe that Dallas really felt Tyron Smith was far away the best player on its board, and not the close 1 (Smith), 1A (Castonzo), 1B (Watt), et cetera, situation that we were led to believe. Perhaps they didn't want to run the risk of losing Tyron somewhere between 10-15.

I think at some point you could see Jerry posing the question to the room, so obviously it wasn't an easy decision but hopefully they made the right one.

To be honest, seeing Patrick Peterson and Julio Jones go before our pick really drove a lot of wind out of my sails on this one, as soon as Julio came off the board and we wouldn't have the opportunity to capitalize on a trade down like the Browns did, I knew we'd be settling for someone.

[jbsg02]

Seeing how things played out in the first, I'm glad we stayed with Smith at 9, It was unlikely that Smith would have still been there at 16. People love to rip Jerry for trading down and not taking the blue chip prospect available, but this time he stayed put

[playmakers]

It came down to this Tyron Smith was our guy at all costs. The debate was can we get Smith at 16 or can we trade back up into the 10-14 area to get him. Definitely it was uncertain, so we took our guy.

Pick 10 was Wash= We got to assume they wanted Gabbert and if we give that player to the team in front of them they could turn around and screw us.

Pick 11 Hou= These guys could always use a OT. Especially, with Aldon Smith off the board and Chester Pitts getting injured last year I believe.

Pick 12 Minn= Again, we got to assume OT was at the top of their needs.

Pick 13-14 Lions Rams= This would of been our trade up target but would Smith of made it here? I say No! I'd say Hou would of picked him or would of made Minn reconsider.

[GloryDaysRBack]

What if they could have gotten Kenrick Ellis, Rahim Moore, or Will Rackley at 49 after getting Aaron Williams at 40.

Id still much rather have Smith..

honestly, hes the only OT i wanted

I LOVE his upside..having the 9th pick, I wanted to make sure we took advantage of it..and I think we did

[dbair1967]

Correct? If so, how do you feel about not taking that deal?

So what if they did? Atlanta set the bar for a significant move much higher than that with their deal. There was no reason for us to "settle" or just trade for the sake of getting an extra pick.

They did the right thing. Either get exactly what you want or dont do the deal. We got a great player at a huge area of need, there's no loss in that situation.

[dbair1967]

FWST reported it. I wouldn't have minded a move down.

Yeah, they also reported we were definitely taking Constanzo over Smith

[Chocolate Lab]

It all depends on how Smith and the other guys turn out, doesn't it? If Solder or Castanzo or even Sherrod are close to as good as Smith, maybe we should've traded down.

But if Smith lives up to all the potential we seem to think he has, we probably did the right thing... And I usually like trading back.

I guess the other question would be if Prince turned out to be really, really good... But somehow I don't see that.

[dbair1967]

What if they could have gotten Kenrick Ellis, Rahim Moore, or Will Rackley at 49 after getting Aaron Williams at 40.

I'd rather sign Michael Huff to play FS instead of drafting either Williams or Moore.

[speedkilz88]

Stephen said earlier that they had four guys on their short list of who they wanted. So if you trade down seven spots, too big a risk that those guys are all gone by 16. Then you have people complaining that they got too cute and missed their guy. I'd love to have 49, but I'm fine with them staying put and taking Smith.Only two of the four (at most)were gone by 16 and that is counting Smith. JJ Watt was probably the other. Castonzo and Solder were still there and so was Cameron Jordan. Amukamara was also still there.

[GloryDaysRBack]

Only two of the four (at most)were gone by 16 and that is counting Smith. JJ Watt was probably the other. Castonzo and Solder were still there and so was Cameron Jordan.

The pick would have been Solder or Castonzo..im glad we didnt move down

[speedkilz88]

I'd rather sign Michael Huff to play FS instead of drafting either Williams or Moore.Williams can play corner. I would have had Heyward or Wilkerson at 40 but they are gone. Red may want Dalton, I hope not.

[speedkilz88]

The pick would have been Solder or Castonzo..im glad we didnt move downYou have to look at who the other guy would have been. We'll see tomorrow. Castonzo had to be the trade down target.

[Bigtommyb]

Correct? If so, how do you feel about not taking that deal?





If they were presented with that and didn't take it then i'm dissapointed, however let's see what happens tomorrow. I would have traded down unles Peterson was there. We took care of the line so i'm happy, but you pick him at nine then he has to start RT.

[GloryDaysRBack]

You have to look at who the other guy would have been. We'll see tomorrow. Castonzo had to be the trade down target.

yeah, like I said..Sodler or Castonzo..I agree that it was likely Castonzo

[Corleone]

Idk, 49 is definitely tempting especially how the first round turned out, lots of talent left. I think we could have traded up a couple spots in the first to get Smith, and only had to give up a third or something but that is getting risky so I'm glad we got a guy that we really needed.

[MonsterD]

Would have taken it, Castonzo would have been a great RT still and we have options for the next round.

[Picksix]

Only two of the four (at most)were gone by 16 and that is counting Smith. JJ Watt was probably the other. Castonzo and Solder were still there and so was Cameron Jordan. Amukamara was also still there.

Yeah, but it's not like they knew that's how things were going to shake out. Like dbair said, you get exactly what you want, or you don't make the deal.

[funkytown]

yeah, like I said..Sodler or Castonzo..I agree that it was likely Castonzo

The Boys had Solder rated higher than Castonzo

[speedkilz88]

Yeah, but it's not like they knew that's how things were going to shake out. Like dbair said, you get exactly what you want, or you don't make the deal.They scout the teams, they definitely had a good idea; that's why they took calls. They just didn't get a great offer to make them let Smith go.

[Idgit]

I'd barely have considered that offer. Regardless how it turned out, it's too big a drop to risk losing out on a blue-chip player. We'll get a good player at 40 who can contribute, and a developmental guy in the third. I'd much rather have our pick of every OL in the draft at 9.

[Beast_from_East]

Do you guys remember passing on Steven Jackson so we could trade down and get Julius Jones and an extra pick?


How did that trade down work out? You dont always have to trade down, even if the points are in your favor. Sometimes the best thing to do is to just stay put and draft the bpa on your board.


Tyron Smith was ranked #5 on our board supposedly, so to get him at #9 is a freaking great move!!!

[jswalker1981]

I'm sorry. There are way too many assume's and what if's for this to be a concern.

We got a great player. No need to get cute all the time. Sometimes the best trade is the one you DON'T make.

[lostinomiya]

when they were waiting I was thinking Minnesota was the only realistic trade down partner that would have given us a chance to get Smith...they didnt call so they played it safe and took their man.

maybe.

[Shinywalrus]

Look, hindsight on this is clear, but if Smith and Castonzo are equal on your board, with a dropoff thereafter, you look at the gap and decide how worried you are that your guys aren't available.

If we'd decided we were going OT, it seems reasonable that our guys would have concluded Smith and Castonzo were BOTH likely to be gone by that point.

As it turned out, that didn't happen but I don't fault them for their educated guess. I would have vastly preferred Castonzo and 49, but what are you going to do?

[AmishGangsta]

They likedly offered this trade to Dallas. There was info coming from credible sources that Skins wanted Gabbert.

Suprised myself that the Skins didn't take him - was info coming from credible sources that we were trying to trade up to get him. Now looks like it was a really good smoke screen that even fooled the insiders.

Skins will draft a Qb in second round and/or take a Qb next year (likely going to be really bad this year and get a top 5 pick).

Also heard they really like Vince Young.

[Gaede]

Good choice by Dallas. They got their guy. Talent dropped off bigtime at around 13

[ThreeandOut]

Stephen said earlier that they had four guys on their short list of who they wanted. So if you trade down seven spots, too big a risk that those guys are all gone by 16. Then you have people complaining that they got too cute and missed their guy. I'd love to have 49, but I'm fine with them staying put and taking Smith.

They were saying in another thread that two of the four guys on our list had already been selected by the 9th pick. It would have been too great a risk that you wouldn't get one of the remaining two if you moved back seven spots. I think the two remaining were Smith and Watt.

[brickman]

I'm sorry. There are way too many assume's and what if's for this to be a concern.

We got a great player. No need to get cute all the time. Sometimes the best trade is the one you DON'T make.

Agree. We got a very good player WHO FILLS A NEED!!

[Avery]

Glad we passed on that deal. We didn't get cute and got who we wanted.

If we could have gotten Minny's deal, I would have done it as we probably could have still gotten Smith and a mid-2nd. That being said, that deal was simply too good to be true.

[diehard2294]

Value:

9: 1,350

16: 1,000
49: 410
Total: 1,410

So yeah, we would have made out positively on that deal. Not sure why Jerry passed, especially after waiting all that time for an offer before picking Smith.I believe Jerry said in his PC it would have had to been a blockbuster deal for them to trade out of #9 spot and not take Smith

[visionary]

Glad we passed on that deal. We didn't get cute and got who we wanted.

If we could have gotten Minny's deal, I would have done it as we probably could have still gotten Smith and a mid-2nd. That being said, that deal was simply too good to be true.

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would not have gone for jags deal, to risky
minny was another story, would have done it for a #3 if they had one

[dbair1967]

Value:

9: 1,350

16: 1,000
49: 410
Total: 1,410

So yeah, we would have made out positively on that deal. Not sure why Jerry passed, especially after waiting all that time for an offer before picking Smith.

He passed because it wasnt enough. Pretty simple.

They had decided T Smith was the guy unless somebody overwhelmed them with an offer. Nobody overwhelmed them, so they didnt move down.

And it was the smart thing to do.