Those Brilliant Patriots

[Randy White]

For all the talk from media members and even some in here of how exceptional the Patriots are, how they manipulate the draft every year, how they are light years ahead of everybody else in draft issues, blah blah blah, they had 6 picks in the first 3 rounds, including 3 picks in the top 33, yet exactly what did they get ? Yes, they moved down from #28 to #56 for a future #1, which would most likely be in the late 20s, barring a disaster by New Orleans. Great move, typical of what they've been doing the past few years, but, quoting the old Wendy's commercial: " where's the beef ? "

1st rnd ( #17 ): OT, Nate Solder - No thanks. Should have checked their own backyard first and pick the guy that played there and was available. Canstonzo is better than Solder.

2nd rnd ( #33 ): CB, Ras-I Dowling - Like the pick alot. Arguably a few slots too early, but good value overall.

2nd rnd ( #56 ): RB, Shane Vereen - Really ? A RB in the 2nd round ? THIS particular guy in the 2nd round ? for my current team ?

3rd rnd ( #73 ): RB, Stevan Ridley - " My nickname is Hoody and I have a RB fetish ". I have 4 picks in the top 73 and I'm drafting not one, but TWO running backs. Nevermind that half my O-line is over 30 years old and I don't have a pass rusher that's worth a damn.

If Jerry Jones dared to do this exact same thing, in the same situation, this place would have to be shut down for good because it would overload however many servers it has.

3rd rnd ( #74 ) QB, Ryan Mallett - Ok, not a bad gamble at this point. I mean, the other picks are pretty stupid, but this one has potential. If he doesn't work out, cut his butt and it would only have cost a 3rd rnd pick. No big deal. If he gets his head straight, Hoody could squeeze a future #1 pick from somebody..

then again, that pick would probably be traded for another pick beyond that future, which would, then, probably turn out to be another running back.


What's the use of having so many wonderful picks if that's what they're going to be spent on ?

[bsheeern]

:fact::fact::fact::fact:For all the talk from media members and even some in here of how exceptional the Patriots are, how they manipulate the draft every year, how they are light years ahead of everybody else in draft issues, blah blah blah, they had 6 picks in the first 3 rounds, including 3 picks in the top 33, yet exactly what did they get ? Yes, they moved down from #28 to #56 for a future #1, which would most likely be in the late 20s, barring a disaster by New Orleans. Great move, typical of what they've been doing the past few years, but, quoting the old Wendy's commercial: " where's the beef ? "

1st rnd ( #17 ): OT, Nate Solder - No thanks. Should have checked their own backyard first and pick the guy that played there and was available. Canstonzo is better than Solder.

2nd rnd ( #33 ): CB, Ras-I Dowling - Like the pick alot. Arguably a few slots too early, but good value overall.

2nd rnd ( #56 ): RB, Shane Vereen - Really ? A RB in the 2nd round ? THIS particular guy in the 2nd round ? for my current team ?

3rd rnd ( #73 ): RB, Stevan Ridley - " My nickname is Hoody and I have a RB fetish ". I have 4 picks in the top 73 and I'm drafting not one, but TWO running backs. Nevermind that half my O-line is over 30 years old and I don't have a pass rusher that's worth a damn.

If Jerry Jones dared to do this exact same thing, in the same situation, this place would have to be shut down for good because it would overload however many servers it has.

3rd rnd ( #74 ) QB, Ryan Mallett - Ok, not a bad gamble at this point. I mean, the other picks are pretty stupid, but this one has potential. If he doesn't work out, cut his butt and it would only have cost a 3rd rnd pick. No big deal. If he gets his head straight, Hoody could squeeze a future #1 pick from somebody..

then again, that pick would probably be traded for another pick beyond that future, which would, then, probably turn out to be another running back.


What's the use of having so many wonderful picks if that's what they're going to be spent on ?

[gimmesix]

1st rnd ( #17 ): OT, Nate Solder - No thanks. Should have checked their own backyard first and pick the guy that played there and was available. Canstonzo is better than Solder.

Obviously, the Patriots don't think so, and given their track record, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Solder has to potential to turn out much better than Castonzo.

[Randy White]

Obviously, the Patriots don't think so, and given their track record, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Solder has to potential to turn out much better than Castonzo.

Have you seen him play at Colorado ?

[gimmesix]

Have you seen him play at Colorado ?

And there's video out there of Costanzo being abused, so what's it prove?

I'm not going to knock anyone's draft before it has a chance to pan out.

Who would have thought all those years ago that their sixth-round quarterback would turn out to be one of the best in the league?

[Randy White]

And there's video out there of Costanzo being abused, so what's it prove? I'm not going to knock anyone's draft before it has a chance to pan out. Who would have thought all those years ago that their sixth-round quarterback would turn out to be one of the best in the league?

Great attitude. I'm envious.

You must be one of the very few Cowboys' fans who wait to be critical of their drafts until given the proper time. I don't have the patience.

[Rogah]

1st rnd ( #17 ): OT, Nate Solder - No thanks. Should have checked their own backyard first and pick the guy that played there and was available. Canstonzo is better than Solder. I heard a report on the radio today that Solder was higher on Indy's draft board too. No way of knowing if that report is accurate, but let's just say that not everyone is quite so certain about Canstonzo being the better pick. When the Pats drafted Mankins, he was seen as a 3rd rounder or even a possible Day 2 selection (back when day 2 meant round 4) and the Pats were reaching by taking him in the first round. I think that turned out well for them.

The only thing about the Patriots that cracks me up is Bill Belichick's pathological desire to have 2 1st round picks in every single draft. The reason why I think it is pathological is because he never uses them. He just can't sleep at night unless he knows those picks are there! :D

[Randy White]

The only thing about the Patriots that cracks me up is Bill Belichick's pathological desire to have 2 1st round picks in every single draft. The reason why I think it is pathological is because he never uses them. He just can't sleep at night unless he knows those picks are there! :D

They're his teddy bear.. :D

On a semi-serious note, I find their first couple of days worth of work very puzzling. They could have done some serious damage to the league with those picks. There was alot of talent that fell towards their part of the draft and to only come out with Dowling is questionable.

I've been watching Solder for years now, being a Husker fan. I wouldn't have picked him in the 2nd round, but to each his own. They're going to have to put some serious hours on him to develop him.

[Hostile]

I think the Browns did a lot better than the Patriots.

[skinsscalper]

I heard a report on the radio today that Solder was higher on Indy's draft board too. No way of knowing if that report is accurate, but let's just say that not everyone is quite so certain about Canstonzo being the better pick. When the Pats drafted Mankins, he was seen as a 3rd rounder or even a possible Day 2 selection (back when day 2 meant round 4) and the Pats were reaching by taking him in the first round. I think that turned out well for them.

The only thing about the Patriots that cracks me up is Bill Belichick's pathological desire to have 2 1st round picks in every single draft. The reason why I think it is pathological is because he never uses them. He just can't sleep at night unless he knows those picks are there! :D

He will eventually. Maybe for Luck next year. One thing is for sure, the guy ALWAYS has the ammo to grab any single player they want in any given draft.

[skinsscalper]

I think the Browns did a lot better than the Patriots.


The Browns knocked it out of the park this year. Over the next couple of seasons they are going to load up. Holmgren is definitely building for the future in Cleveland.

[Randy White]

I think the Browns did a lot better than the Patriots.

And those Steelers. Talk about how to properly use the draft while picking late in it. They have this annoying habit of getting the best player available while filling needs that's irritating. Heyward wasn't enough, they just had to get Gibert with the 63rd pick as well.

And you know that he's going to turn into a pro bowler somehow..

[gimmesix]

Great attitude. I'm envious.

You must be one of the very few Cowboys' fans who wait to be critical of their drafts until given the proper time. I don't have the patience.

I've just learned the hard way over time not to make snap judgments.

I've seen too many players people considered great "steals" like Pat Watkins be way overvalued by the message board community and so-called draft experts. (I didn't buy that one ... I liked Antoine Bethea.)

And I've seen players turn out to be way undervalued. So I've learned there's no need to be rash.

Doesn't mean I like every pick, just that I'm willing to wait and see.

[Randy White]

I've just learned the hard way over time not to make snap judgments. I've seen too many players people considered great "steals" like Pat Watkins be way overvalued by the message board community and so-called draft experts. (I didn't buy that one ... I liked Antoine Bethea.) And I've seen players turn out to be way undervalued. So I've learned there's no need to be rash. Doesn't mean I like every pick, just that I'm willing to wait and see.


You just like to take the fun out of it. Come on, stop being so old school and rational. Go out on a limb... have some fun.. be critical.. Go TMZ for a while..

[gimmesix]

You just like to take the fun out of it. Come on, stop being so old school and rational. Go out on a limb... have some fun.. be critical.. Go TMZ for a while..

Being rational doesn't mean I'm not critical. I definitely would have preferred Will Rackley over DeMarco Murray, and think a potential starting guard is of more use to this team than a situational running back/return man.

I also would have preferred Nick Fairley over Tyson Smith, simply because I think Fairley is a beast.

However, I acknowledge I could be completely wrong and restrain myself from making condemning statements that could come back to incriminate me. It's a character flaw. ;)

[SaltwaterServr]

Obviously, the Patriots don't think so, and given their track record, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Solder has to potential to turn out much better than Castonzo.

They had quite a run there where only 3 of their picks were starters, and that included a kicker. I want to say it was four full years worth.

Grass is greener and all...

[baj1dallas]

I've been watching Solder for years now, being a Husker fan. I wouldn't have picked him in the 2nd round, but to each his own. They're going to have to put some serious hours on him to develop him.

Yeah and that's exactly what they do. I mean to come on and act like you know more about the draft than the Patriots is pretty freaking ridiculous. They're quite possibly the best drafting team in the NFL, but you know better? Ok. They have time to develop Solder, they get an athletic DB that they have time to develop, two running backs to replace their two old running backs, and freaking Ryan Mallet who will have 3 years to develop. They were a young team that was ahead of schedule rebuilding last year that needed help in the running game and on defense and that's exactly what they got.

[baj1dallas]

I think the Browns did a lot better than the Patriots.

Because they got an undersized pass rusher who just got arrested and a guy who was suspended for the season? o.O

[Corleone]

They have 4 picks in the first two rounds next season that is very impressive and genius like. Seems like they always find a trading partner though...*raiders*

I wish Dallas had 4 in the first two rounds but their picks weren't amazing but the Pats dont have a ton of holes like Dallas does. The two RB's were puzzling. Dowling was good, Solder was maybe too high, not sure. Then Mallet is their little project, high risk high reward kind of thing. Why not right? Top 2 QB in the league, who better to have as a mentor, other than Peyton. Great coach, great team and staff. Only a real screw up could mess that up...:rolleyes:

[realtick]

Yeah and that's exactly what they do. I mean to come on and act like you know more about the draft than the Patriots is pretty freaking ridiculous. They're quite possibly the best drafting team in the NFL, but you know better? Ok. They have time to develop Solder, they get an athletic DB that they have time to develop, two running backs to replace their two old running backs, and freaking Ryan Mallet who will have 3 years to develop. They were a young team that was ahead of schedule rebuilding last year that needed help in the running game and on defense and that's exactly what they got.

Thank you.

Belicheck has a decade's worth of success in New England to go along with 25+ years in pro football. He's been to four Super Bowls in ten years, won three of them. He sports a .720 career winning percentage with the Patriots, in addition, he has a .789 (15-4) in the playoffs.

What does RandyWhite have? A laptop and internet access.

[Hoofbite]

Yeah. The Patriots did all that while securing an extra 1st and 2nd rounder next year.

You're right. They totally suck.

[morasp]

The teams I've started watching are the Packers and Steelers. Nothing flashy but it seems like they do a pretty constent job each year in the draft.

[Hostile]

Because they got an undersized pass rusher who just got arrested and a guy who was suspended for the season? o.OYou're obviously missing a lot. They got a huge NT, Phil Taylor. They got two picks in next year's draft, a 1st and 4th, and they still have 6 picks left. Oh, and that guy who was suspended for the season is compared to Terrell Owens in ability and the undersized pass rusher is pretty consistent if you watch him.

[Arch Stanton]

For all the talk from media members and even some in here of how exceptional the Patriots are, how they manipulate the draft every year, how they are light years ahead of everybody else in draft issues, blah blah blah, they had 6 picks in the first 3 rounds, including 3 picks in the top 33, yet exactly what did they get ? Yes, they moved down from #28 to #56 for a future #1, which would most likely be in the late 20s, barring a disaster by New Orleans. Great move, typical of what they've been doing the past few years, but, quoting the old Wendy's commercial: " where's the beef ? "

1st rnd ( #17 ): OT, Nate Solder - No thanks. Should have checked their own backyard first and pick the guy that played there and was available. Canstonzo is better than Solder.

2nd rnd ( #33 ): CB, Ras-I Dowling - Like the pick alot. Arguably a few slots too early, but good value overall.

2nd rnd ( #56 ): RB, Shane Vereen - Really ? A RB in the 2nd round ? THIS particular guy in the 2nd round ? for my current team ?

3rd rnd ( #73 ): RB, Stevan Ridley - " My nickname is Hoody and I have a RB fetish ". I have 4 picks in the top 73 and I'm drafting not one, but TWO running backs. Nevermind that half my O-line is over 30 years old and I don't have a pass rusher that's worth a damn.

If Jerry Jones dared to do this exact same thing, in the same situation, this place would have to be shut down for good because it would overload however many servers it has.

3rd rnd ( #74 ) QB, Ryan Mallett - Ok, not a bad gamble at this point. I mean, the other picks are pretty stupid, but this one has potential. If he doesn't work out, cut his butt and it would only have cost a 3rd rnd pick. No big deal. If he gets his head straight, Hoody could squeeze a future #1 pick from somebody..

then again, that pick would probably be traded for another pick beyond that future, which would, then, probably turn out to be another running back.


What's the use of having so many wonderful picks if that's what they're going to be spent on ?

They drafted two TE's last season. How did that turn out for them?

[Tobal]

I'm still tryinh to peice together what Dallas did in the 2nd and especially the third. I so hoped they'd go hard for lineman.

[ThreeandOut]

I've always been more impressed with the Patriot's ability to manipulate the draft than with their actual picks.

[Sarge]

Their defense is a major problem. I am not understanding their draft this year at all and neither is my friend who is an obnoxiously huge Pats fan.

So when they lose 55-45 in the playoffs, maybe they will get it. The Pats are not free of criticism. I don't think they have done a particularly stellar job with all those picks they had.

Agree with Hos, Browns have done a much better job.

Carry on ... :)

[bsheeern]

Their defense is a major problem. I am not understanding their draft this year at all and neither is my friend who is an obnoxiously huge Pats fan.

So when they lose 55-45 in the playoffs, maybe they will get it. The Pats are not free of criticism. I don't think they have done a particularly stellar job with all those picks they had.

Agree with Hos, Browns have done a much better job.

Carry on ... :)

Some fans are cOmplaining saying we wasted a 3rd on a guy who won't start day 1 but the pats use a 3rd on a guy who won't start for atleast 3 years unless Brady gets hurt or traded.

If we had drafted Mallett people would have crucified our FO. NE does it and it's good business.

Here's a fact. Patriots have had 2 times more draft picks than the jets over the last 4 drafts. Twice as many picks and the same amount of pro bowlers.

Seems like a ton of quanity without anymore quality....

[MichaelWinicki]

I think the Browns did a lot better than the Patriots.

Agreed.

[burmafrd]

I've always been more impressed with the Patriot's ability to manipulate the draft than with their actual picks.



That is really what a lot of people admire. But you look over the last 5-6 years just what have they come up with? How many of the players have they taken since then that have gone to a Pro Bowl?

[Rogah]

That is really what a lot of people admire. But you look over the last 5-6 years just what have they come up with? How many of the players have they taken since then that have gone to a Pro Bowl?I don't think that number of pro-bowlers is necessarily the best way to measure draft success, especially when talking about players so new to their careers.

I think the best measure is to simply try and figure out how many of those draft picks are with the team, and also how many are starters. I honestly don't know what the stats are for either team, but I would consider that a far better measure.

[VACowboy]

The NFL is about winning. The Pats win, so their methods are seen as the gold standard. Hard to argue.

I think, however, that Tom Brady has a lot more to do with the Pats' consistent success than overall superior personnel.

Mebbe that's BB's way. It's a QB-driven league, after all. And mebbe Ryan Mallett is the heir apparent in this model. I just know that I'm genuinely curious to see how the team does when Brady retires.

My humble opinion.

[Shinywalrus]

Hey guys, some guy on a message board masquerading around under the alias of RandyWhite, says the Patriots ain't that great in his mind.

Does anyone care?

What a hostile response to the OP.

Isn't this a message board for...uh...discussing stuff like that?

[burmafrd]

I don't think that number of pro-bowlers is necessarily the best way to measure draft success, especially when talking about players so new to their careers.

I think the best measure is to simply try and figure out how many of those draft picks are with the team, and also how many are starters. I honestly don't know what the stats are for either team, but I would consider that a far better measure.

The Panthers had more of their draft picks on their roster than any other team so frankly that measurement is not all that good. My point is that in the last 6 drafts how many stars have the Pats drafted? Compare that to drafts of around 99-04.

[Chuck 54]

I agree...even the media is slamming the Patriots for not coming away with players.

They are very successful at stockpiling draft picks into the future, but the depth of the two lines this year seemed the perfect time to cash a few of those in.

What good is it to continually have lots of picks in the first two rounds each year if you never use them?

I can only guess that they are sooo talented at every position that they refuse to select players who might not be able to contribute. At one point I was thinking they'll have all the ammunition they need to get Andrew Luck next year, but then they drafted Mallet, so I really have no idea what their plan is with the picks because they didn't use them this year, just converted them to next year again.

[Rogah]

The Panthers had more of their draft picks on their roster than any other team so frankly that measurement is not all that good.Well, it depends. When you're talking about one of the worst teams in the league, then yes I admit that number of picks on the roster is not necessarily a good standard. But when you're talking about a perenial playoff team, one that went to the Super Bowl during the timeframe we're discussing here, it becomes a much better standard.

Besides, as another poster here pointed out, they've pretty much been the best team in football over the past decade. They're obviously doing something right.

[VACowboy]

Well, it depends. When you're talking about one of the worst teams in the league, then yes I admit that number of picks on the roster is not necessarily a good standard. But when you're talking about a perenial playoff team, one that went to the Super Bowl during the timeframe we're discussing here, it becomes a much better standard.

Why is there a difference? Every team has the same number of players, receives the same number of draft picks and has the same opportunity to improve via free agency, all under the same salary cap.

Besides, as another poster here pointed out, they've pretty much been the best team in football over the past decade. They're obviously doing something right.

They're having Tom Brady on their roster.

[Randy White]

Yeah and that's exactly what they do. I mean to come on and act like you know more about the draft than the Patriots is pretty freaking ridiculous. They're quite possibly the best drafting team in the NFL, but you know better? Ok..

Yea, that's right " OK ".. Oh wait, let me guess, you're another who likes to wait until 3 years from now to be critical of a draft..

All of the sudden, there are going to be alot of gimmesix clones showing up in this thread who wait patiently before criticizing anything..

Bottom line is that if you switch this Patriot's draft with the Cowboys' draft, Jerry Jones would be tarred and feathered in this place. Question is, would you be a hypocritical member the virtual lynch mob ?

[Randy White]

Because they got an undersized pass rusher who just got arrested and a guy who was suspended for the season? o.O


and there's the answer to my question.

[Randy White]

Doesn't surprise me that you did. After all, you're the guy that just invoked the rarified "red-headed stepchild" analogy.

Did you wash your hand and sock before you started typing today ? Bet that keyboard is extra sticky by now.. Go back inside Cunningham backside and stay there. You're out of your element.

[Randy White]

Originally Posted by baj1dallas
Because they got an undersized pass rusher who just got arrested and a guy who was suspended for the season? o.O


You're obviously missing a lot. .


There's a surprise.. :rolleyes:

[Randy White]

They drafted two TE's last season. How did that turn out for them?

Great.. They were magnificent. Especially as they were exiting an embarrassing first round playoffs loss after finishing with the league's best record because they have only 1 receiver that's worth a damn and nobody who could get to the QB.

What does that have to do with their draft so far ?

[SDogo]

I love the post and feel the same way but I'm not about to judge the Patriots for doing anything.

If there is any team who can walk into a pile of crap and have it transform in Alligator skin boots it's the Patriots.

[mmillman]

can't agree with you manster. New England is brilliant in that they continually trade a second for a first next year. That should be figured in your evaluation. One of these times it will be a very high first that a team like New England won't normally see.

they draft well, think long term and have a philosophy that works. Dallas seems all over the place when they draft. Carter might prove me wrong because it does seem they were thinking longer term.

[burmafrd]

Yeah they keep stockpiling draft picks- but never seem to really use them. What are they waiting for? Just getting more picks means nothing if you do not use them to get top players.

[Hostile]

I love the post and feel the same way but I'm not about to judge the Patriots for doing anything.

If there is any team who can walk into a pile of crap and have it transform in Alligator skin boots it's the Patriots.Or people like the Emperor's new clothes.

[Randy White]

I love the post and feel the same way but I'm not about to judge the Patriots for doing anything..

Maybe I'm just jealous that the Cowboys don't have those picks. :D


Anybody catch what Mayock and Butch Davis had to say about Bruce Carter on the NFL Network ?

That should shut some people up, I'd think..

[Arch Stanton]

Great.. They were magnificent. Especially as they were exiting an embarrassing first round playoffs loss after finishing with the league's best record because they have only 1 receiver that's worth a damn and nobody who could get to the QB.

What does that have to do with their draft so far ?

So you didn't criticize them for drafting two RB's? My bad.

[realtick]

Did you wash your hand and sock before you started typing today ? Bet that keyboard is extra sticky by now.. Go back inside Cunningham backside and stay there. You're out of your element.

You would know the in and outs of being up a backside wouldn't you. Afterall, you're typing this comfortably inside Roy Williams' as we speak.

[RESIN8]

I think Shane Vareen will be the most productive rb to come out of Cal since Tedford took over. I can only imagine the numbers he would jab out up had Cal had a QB.

[realtick]

I think Shane Vareen will be the most productive rb to come out of Cal since Tedford took over. I can only imagine the numbers he would jab out up had Cal had a QB.

I like Vareen, but I still think Jahvid Best will be a more productive back. The kid had debilitating toe injuries on both feet which severly hampered him last year. If healthy, he's legit.

[tm1119]

I love what the Pats did in this draft. They got their starting RB for a while(which ever 1 works out), they future LT, a possible starting CB from day 1, a QB who was arguably the 3rd or 4th best in this draft class, and now a possible starting OG in Cannon if his helth checks out in 2 years or so. Plus a 1st and 2nd round pick next year.

Honestly thought this was the best draft this year by any team. This is why I was advocating trading back.

[Randy White]

So you didn't criticize them for drafting two RB's? My bad.

Perhaps you need clarification. I'll make it simpler:

What do their draft from last year have to do with their draft this year ?

[Randy White]

You would know the in and outs of being up a backside wouldn't you. Afterall, you're typing this comfortably inside Roy Williams' as we speak.

oohh, the horror.. somebody please, stop the pain..

Apparently Cunningham had a colon cleansing and you took a 5 minutes break . Times up, go back inside your favorite orifice.

[realtick]

Lol, Goose Gosselin just said the Patriots draft jump off the page to him and that he loved ther draft when asked whose draft impressed him.

What do ye say shipping and receiving clerk, RandyWhite?

[Randy White]

Lol, Goose Gosselin just said the Patriots draft jump off the page to him and that he loved ther draft when asked whose draft impressed him.

What do ye say shipping and receiving clerk, RandyWhite?

Goose would love it even if the Patriots pick human waste, or something lesser like you.

Run along now. Randall is about to flatulate and your nose is needed for testing..

[realtick]

Goose would love it even if the Patriots pick human waste, or something lesser like you.

Run along now. Randall is about to flatulate and your nose is needed for testing..

Lol, house of cards is crumbling..."Cowboys good...other teams baaaad"

[jimmy40]

Their defense is a major problem. I am not understanding their draft this year at all and neither is my friend who is an obnoxiously huge Pats fan.

So when they lose 55-45 in the playoffs, maybe they will get it. The Pats are not free of criticism. I don't think they have done a particularly stellar job with all those picks they had.

Agree with Hos, Browns have done a much better job.

Carry on ... :)don't they get Ty Warren back next year?

[jimmy40]

That is really what a lot of people admire. But you look over the last 5-6 years just what have they come up with? a trip to the Super Bowl, great winning percentage and 14-2 last year?

[playmakers]

I agree here. They have picks 17-28-33 and I believe their own 2nd. You have to go for it at some point. You can't keep milking draft picks for layaway every year. The Patriots are NOT the best team in the league anymore nor are they tops in their conference. They are close however. This begs the question do you want to be really good for a long time(11-5, a playoff win or two) or win a few more Superbowl's and bow out.

I would had called Buffalo and offered 17-33- and their own 2nd for the 3rd pick. NE needs a big WR and Aj Green fits that. I think thats fair because the Falcons gave up 27 I beileve this year, next years pick say 27th again and their 2nd among others to move up 21 spots instead of 14. Then you still have 28 and you could of pulled a Gabe Cabrini.

I personally think NE is a lucky team who got lucky with the method of drafting. Now, it will bite them in the butt. The NFL draft is like a lottery the more you move the better odds you have of messing up imo.

[Randy White]

came into the draft with 3 major needs:

1) Pass rusher
2) Wide receivers
3) Upgrade O-line depth because they have 2 starters over 30 years old and their best lineman is wearing the franchise tag ( meaning he's not signed to a long term deal yet ).

They came in with 6 picks in the first 3 rounds, 3 in the top 33. There were at least 3 reaches in the draft: Titans ( Locker ), Vikings ( Ponder ), and Seahwaks ( Carpenter ). That meant more talent fell their way. Yet they ended up with a OT who " might " develop into something in the long term, a very nice CB, 2 running backs and 1 QB with their first 4 selection. They passed over an awful lot of talent to end up with that. Yes, I absolutely agree with trading out of the late 1st round for a 1st round next year, and it was a good move, but that's not the issue. They've haven't had any problems doing that in the past few years. Their problem is that, despite those wonderful picks, they're still in the same boat they came in, needing talent at their 3 major weaknesses.

[Randy White]

Lol, Goose Gosselin just said the Patriots draft jump off the page to him and that he loved ther draft when asked whose draft impressed him.

Lol, house of cards is crumbling..."Cowboys good...other teams baaaad"



Gosselin's draft grades: Cowboys get best marks in NFC East
By RICK GOSSELIN / The Dallas Morning News
Published May 1, 2011 12:53 AM

NFC EAST
DALLAS COWBOYS: B

The Cowboys had a superb third day of this draft. Harris is a Kelvin Martin clone and the arrival of Arkin and Nagy will help Smith make the offensive line deeper and more competitive. Murray can solve a running back riddle.


The even funnier thing is that the idioTIC won't know when to just hide away for while so he won't keep looking so stupid.

Go find out how many knee injuries Bruce Carter had. If must be 5 going by your count right about now.

[realtick]

Lol, this is a classic RandyWhite red-herring. What does Gosselin's thoughts on the Cowboys' draft have to do with your agenda-ridden tripe against the Patriots?

Let me help you once again...

The Patriots play in the "American Football Conference" in the "Eastern Division," aka the "AFC East."

The Cowboys play in what's called the "NFC East."

So, when Gosselin says the "Cowboys get the best marks in the NFC East," it has zero relevance to what the Patriots did.

For your next lesson, I'll be talking to you about the rules of the game and why the funny men in hats (helmets) are running around trying to tackle
each other.

Perhaps at that time you can once again explain to me why paying $12 million to Roy Williams is "actually a sweet deal for a third WR."

[jimmy40]

why do so many Cowboys' fans have this rediculous infatuation with what the Patriots are doing? it's freaking weird

[realtick]

why do so many Cowboys' fans have this rediculous infatuation with what the Patriots are doing? it's freaking weird

Great freakin' question. I think it's because if they're old enough, they remember the most recent glory days with Dallas in early 1990's and envy the fact the Patriots have been arguably the best team of this past decade.

Homers want the Cowboys to be viewed with the same reverance as the Patriots despite it being completely unwarranted coming of a 6-10 season and having won just one playoff game in what, 15+ years.

[Randy White]

Lol, this is a classic RandyWhite red-herring. What does Gosselin's thoughts on the Cowboys' draft have to do with your agenda-ridden tripe against the Patriots?.


Lol, Goose Gosselin just said the Patriots draft jump off the page to him and that he loved ther draft when asked whose draft impressed him.


http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/192/192490/folders/147349/1048324JimmyDumb.jpg


Seriously, you're literally de-evolving in front of everybody. A few more posts and you'd be communicating through caveman paintings.

[realtick]

Seriously, you're literally de-evolving in front of everybody. A few more posts and you'd be communicating through caveman paintings.

:lmao:

Can someone please help out RandyWhite here?

This is how badly dyed-in-the-wool a boneheaded homer he is. Apparently, he thinks it's impossible for Gossellin to give credit to the Cowboys and ALSO to the Patriots.

With you being part of the shipping and receiving crew, it doesn't surprise me you're stuck on such circle-meets-square logic. Afterall, the depth of your thinking is "incoming/outgoing....lift box/put box down....Cowboys good/everyone else bad..."

[Verdict]

Being rational doesn't mean I'm not critical. I definitely would have preferred Will Rackley over DeMarco Murray, and think a potential starting guard is of more use to this team than a situational running back/return man. ;)

Don't be surprised if the Cowboys selected their starting running back with a third round pick. I think Murray is way underrated and undervalued. Murray is much more versatile and much more complete than Felix Jones. With the added weight that Felix put on last year, I'm not sure that Murray isn't avtually faster. Plus the guy has one hell of a nose for the endzone. The guy is a scoring machine if it gets near the goal line.

[Verdict]

why do so many Cowboys' fans have this rediculous infatuation with what the Patriots are doing? it's freaking weird


I agree completely. Even the "great" Patriots waited until the draft was almost over to select Tom Brady. Without Tom Brady, their team would likely have been a middle of the road team, just as the Cowboys when they were without a QB for all of those many years.

Tom Brady has allowed the team the luxury of missing on a few picks and not really affecting the team that much. The Patriots draft hasn't been A+ every year, but they do coach up their players well, and scheme as well as anyone, but lets not overdo it on their drafting prowess.

[Hoofbite]

why do so many Cowboys' fans have this rediculous infatuation with what the Patriots are doing? it's freaking weird

Great freakin' question. I think it's because if they're old enough, they remember the most recent glory days with Dallas in early 1990's and envy the fact the Patriots have been arguably the best team of this past decade.

Homers want the Cowboys to be viewed with the same reverance as the Patriots despite it being completely unwarranted coming of a 6-10 season and having won just one playoff game in what, 15+ years.

I think it's because they are viewed as a very well run team. Probably viewed by many as one of the most well run teams in the league. When you're at the top, people are gonna try to take shots to knock you down.

[Ren]

Think it was the 5th round Bellicheat was just pulling everyones leg, he drafted a long snapper and traded picks with Philly 27 for 28 in that round, no extra picks or anything he just traded it :laugh2: