Butch Davis & Mayock - Bruce Carter [Archive] - Dallas Cowboys Forum

rags747

04-30-2011, 10:58 AM

Mayock just said on NFL Network that he talked to multiple GM's around the league and they all had Carter as top 15-20 prior to his injury. Butch Davis loves the kid, great in the locker room, leader, will be on the field for all 3 downs and lined up all over the field.

CrazyCowboy

04-30-2011, 11:02 AM

Dhragon

04-30-2011, 11:44 AM

Where will he be on the 1st day of training camp in S. A.? that is the question?

I just don't get the people complaining who would rather have a lesser talent RIGHT NOW than a much superior talent later on. Just me I guess.

ThreeSportStar80

04-30-2011, 12:15 PM

jazzcat22

04-30-2011, 12:16 PM

Where will he be on the 1st day of training camp in S. A.? that is the question?

Injury was in November, if I remember right, on what they said yesterday. So when TC opens, that is 9 months. That is plenty of time now days for that injury to be healed and rehabbed.

If anything, they may keep him out or light workouts the first few weeks. If they didn't feel otherwise, I don't think they would have slected him. I think, from what I heard, he will be ready to go. And now with Dallas' training staff to work with, and with Woicik back with us. I would bet on, he will be ready for TC.

johnnyd

04-30-2011, 12:17 PM

I just don't get the people complaining who would rather have a lesser talent RIGHT NOW than a much superior talent later on. Just me I guess.

agreed. espcially this year considering the lock out , Depending on when they get this done if there's no football till july or august then rookies across the league will be so far behind the curve that very few will be ready to contribute on the field this year anyway . or at least the first 1/4 of the season.

Gaede

04-30-2011, 12:22 PM

Carter was a great pick. The guy can play. It's a very smart gamble, IMO.

ACL isn't the death sentence it used to be

skinsscalper

04-30-2011, 01:19 PM

Carter was a great pick. The guy can play. It's a very smart gamble, IMO.

ACL isn't the death sentence it used to be

I like the pick for the potential alone, but I think Kris Jenkins would disagree with you on the injury severity.

That doesn't mean that Carter will continue to have the problems that Jenkins has had, but it doesn't mean he won't either.

Just sayin..............

burmafrd

04-30-2011, 01:22 PM

Kris Jenkins had multiple injuries to the same knee.

mmillman

04-30-2011, 01:24 PM

As someone who has had two acl repairs. I can tell you it takes more than 6 months to be physically back and a year or more mentally

Mr Cowboy

04-30-2011, 01:28 PM

I don't have a problem with this pick, he's already cleared to workout and is running and cutting. I actually remember seeing him play and play well 2 years ago. He is not needed to start right away, we have Brady and Lee.

Furthermore, Wes Welker had that same type injury in a playoff game in January and was ready at the start of training camp.

realtick

04-30-2011, 01:34 PM

IIRC, this is Carter's second ACL injury/surgery (I don't know if it's the same knee). You can take that two different way; he knows what goes into rehab and what works, what doesn't; or, his athleticism could be somewhat sapped because of the multiple injuries.

ThreeSportStar80

04-30-2011, 01:52 PM

realtick

04-30-2011, 01:55 PM

Where have you heard/read that?? I only know of one ACL injury.

Must have misread it. It looks like it just might be the one. Let me check some more though.

Idgit

04-30-2011, 03:01 PM

As someone who has had two acl repairs. I can tell you it takes more than 6 months to be physically back and a year or more mentally

I've had two, too. And it really doesn't. It's just about a nine month rehab, especially with the resources this guy will have available. And, if there's no cartilage damage, the repaired ligament will actually be stronger than the original.

The only hurdle is mental, because there's a tendency to favor the injured leg for a while.

28 Joker

04-30-2011, 03:42 PM

Hopefully, Carter will be what Dallas wanted Kevin Burnett to be. There is no doubt about his talent. He should be able to start in 2012, and I hope he can play coverage this year. He's talented, and the Patriots drafted a WR from NC who had an ACL. They red-shirted him, and now he is playing and good.

Chris Canty is a good example of over coming injuries and getting a really good value.

You draft for your future, not for one year. I'm o.k. with this pick, because they are calling him a top 15-20 player if not for the injury.

I'd much rather just follow the board and let the draft come to you, instead of all the constant trading down. That happened this year.

That is what happened this year.

CCBoy

05-01-2011, 09:25 AM

As someone who has had two acl repairs. I can tell you it takes more than 6 months to be physically back and a year or more mentally

My bet is that you didn't have a specialist on facility 24/7 for that specific problem as the Cowboys do...and the only one's in the NFL that do.

Hostile

05-01-2011, 09:28 AM

I just don't get the people complaining who would rather have a lesser talent RIGHT NOW than a much superior talent later on. Just me I guess.No, I'm with you. I think it's crazy. But every pick will be complained about. Just roll with it.

CCBoy

05-01-2011, 09:28 AM

Coming into camp, he could be no higher than 4th in the interior linebackers to begin with. That's just the way it is...but the Cowboys HAD to fill out roster spots.

Now, when old age flicks need to now, he won't have been a poor choice. And that was the why.

This was a Rob Ryan pick...and projecting HIS defense into the future.

hsfolk

05-01-2011, 09:30 AM

I'm only skeptical because I thought Carter was better suited to play OLB in a 4-3 defense

dbair1967

05-01-2011, 09:38 AM

I'm only skeptical because I thought Carter was better suited to play OLB in a 4-3 defense

Thats what they said when the Steelers drafted Lawrence Timmons too.

realtick

05-01-2011, 09:42 AM

I can't remember if it was Tom Cistcowski (sp?) or the Cowboys linebackers coach, but they interviewed one of the two yesterday and said Bruce Carter reminded them of a bigger Ernie Sims, during his days at Florida State.

AKATheRake

05-01-2011, 10:00 AM

Mayock just said on NFL Network that he talked to multiple GM's around the league and they all had Carter as top 15-20 prior to his injury. Butch Davis loves the kid, 1. great in the locker room, leader, 2. will be on the field for all 3 downs and lined up all over the field.

We need so much of 1 and 2 on a leadership and capability level for this defense words can't quantify it alone.

So if he can stay healthy and do this for this team as a full blown starter by next year. This was a substantial pick.

The guy is a genetic freak physically.

I didn't know much about him but previously and didn't know what to think because I wanted some one else with our 2nd rounder. But this could be a very good pick for us.

Especially if this is who Rob Ryan and our new LB's coach wanted.

realtick

05-01-2011, 10:31 AM

We need so much of 1 and 2 on a leadership and capability level for this defense words can't quantify it alone.

So if he can stay healthy and do this for this team as a full blown starter by next year. This was a substantial pick.

The guy is a genetic freak physically.

I didn't know much about him but previously and didn't know what to think because I wanted some one else with our 2nd rounder. But this could be a very good pick for us.

Especially if this is who Rob Ryan and our new LB's coach wanted.

Glad you watched some YouTube video of him.

big dog cowboy

05-01-2011, 11:15 AM

Thats what they said when the Steelers drafted Lawrence Timmons too.

Nice. And true.

WilmingtonHeel

05-01-2011, 06:13 PM

He's only had surgery on his knee once I don't know where two came from. Great young man met him his freshmen year. Outstanding speed and playmaker great hands as well, very underrated part of his game.

jobberone

05-01-2011, 06:47 PM

Carter will be a stud.

newlander

05-01-2011, 09:38 PM

As someone who has had two acl repairs. I can tell you it takes more than 6 months to be physically back and a year or more mentally

Just agree 100%. This the NFL folks. Ask Sean Lee if he was 100% last year....he'll look SO much better this year because he'll be 100%. Carter won't but it doesn't mean he can't play special teams at some point in the season: maybe by week 4. I would assume he'll be on the PUP list for quite some time. 6-9 months is......pushing it, it really is. Some of you need to have a friggin' reality check. THIS is the reason the kid was available, so it's a "risk, reward deal" as Jerrah would say. :D And yes, I DO like the pick....

TheCount

05-01-2011, 09:47 PM

Hopefully, Carter will be what Dallas wanted Kevin Burnett to be.

:laugh2:

Kevin Burnett IS what the Cowboys wanted him to be, just not with the Cowboys.

Idgit

05-01-2011, 10:57 PM

:laugh2:

Kevin Burnett IS what the Cowboys wanted him to be...

Yeah. Unemployed.

sadams

05-02-2011, 09:19 AM

Ive seen Carter play 3 times live in Chapel Hill.

This is what I remember about every game.

"Bruce Carter on the tackle. Bruce Carter on the tackle. Bruce Carter on the tackle."

Over and Over again across the stadium loudspeaker.

Tackling machine I tell you. You can't go wrong with this pick. Carter is a solid day 2 pick. He can play anywhere.

Quinn was my personal NC favorite, but Carter is a stud LBer. He shows up on every game film because he finds and makes all the plays.

sadams

05-02-2011, 09:21 AM

Outstanding athlete with ability to make plays all over the field • Started 43 career games • Blocked seven kicks in his career, including six punts • Ranked No. 1 in ESPN.com's 2010 workout warrior list • Set the record for a UNC linebacker with a power clean of 374 and a vertical jump of 40.5 inches • Also benches 440 pounds, squats 605 pounds and was clocked in the 40-yard dash at 4.39 • Entering the season, he ranked the No. 1 senior outside linebacker prospect in the 2011 NFL Draft by ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. • Had season-ending knee surgery to reconstruct his left ACL at the conclusion of the regular season.

TheCount

05-02-2011, 10:07 AM

Yeah. Unemployed.

So is Nnamdi Asomugha. :laugh2:

InmanRoshi

05-02-2011, 10:09 AM

Kris Jenkins had multiple injuries to the same knee.

He also played grossly overweight for most of his career and battled a drinking problem.

His problems went way beyond a generic ACL tear.

Idgit

05-02-2011, 11:05 AM

So is Nnamdi Asomugha. :laugh2:

And, as we both know, for two entirely different reasons.

TheCount

05-02-2011, 01:10 PM

And, as we both know, for two entirely different reasons.

For the exact same reason if you ask me, money.

Manwiththeplan

05-02-2011, 03:19 PM

And, as we both know, for two entirely different reasons.

Kevin Burnett had a very good year and will be a starter some where. Doubtfull San Diego lets him go, so I don't know what point you were making

Marktui

05-02-2011, 05:35 PM

I like the pick for the potential alone, but I think Kris Jenkins would disagree with you on the injury severity.

That doesn't mean that Carter will continue to have the problems that Jenkins has had, but it doesn't mean he won't either.

Just sayin..............

Jenkins is also a very big man. Those knees take pounding, he is in the 340 range. Rod Woodson came back from ACL in week 1 to play in the Super Bowl. It's a bad injury, but 15 years ago, this guy would have been out for 18 months. Now, they can be back in 8-12 months.

One good thing is, he is not being looked at as a starter, James is still the incumbent Mike backer. But if healthy, he can come in a play special teams and get spot duty like Sean Lee did last year. I know everyone compares this guy to Carp, but this kid can go sideline to sideline and gets there fast.