Apparently Rashard Mendenhall Really Is an Idiot

[Hostile]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/02/rashard-mendenhall-raises-eyebrows-with-bin-laden-tweets/related

This time around, Mendenhall is offering opinions regarding the death of Osama bin Laden, and questioning whether the planes that hit the World Trade Center caused the collapse of the twin towers.

“We’ll never know what really happened,” Mendenhall said. “I just have a hard time believing (http://twitter.com/#%21/R_Mendenhall/status/65168149183606785)a plane could take a skyscraper down demolition style.”

Mendenhall also expresses sympathy for bin Laden. “What kind of person celebrates death?” Mendenhall says. “It’s amazing how people can HATE a man they have never even heard speak. We’ve only heard one side (http://twitter.com/#%21/R_Mendenhall/status/65166153525379072).”

[DallasGirl50]

What a dopey thing to say...OBL owned the WTC bombings..claimed and was proud that he was the mastermind behind all that carnage and death.

You cannot legislate being stupid can you?

My sympathies are to the families and survivors of that tragedy. Those people were my fellow countrymen and women.

Actually to most people OBL lived 10 years too long..this was long overdue!

[ShiningStar]

weres that post with "jocks arent dumb".

What do you expect the celebs to say? Come on, they are celebs and other idiots treat them like royalty. Only the people who get upset pay WAY to much attention to them.

arent some of these people paid per tweet or something, so when they spark controversy it gets it out there or something.

and i believe some here made the claim that even americans hate america and what it stands for. the Mendenhall basically says he wants to hear the other guys side of it. Whats to hear, he planned it and got away with it for ten years and than paid the price. To some people death means more to them than life, and for him, his death was worth it.

it was a tragedy and best left at that. one persons death doesnt equal all the many that suffered, but a message was sent, regardless of theory or facts and what was presented and here we are. No one is celebrating death but we are celebrating justice, which is funny for a country that tries its best to do what it can and give everyone a fair shot, but some people arent happy with that either.


Its best to leave it all be, believe me it will boil the blood.

[bsheeern]

I know he will forever be linked to Dallas because of Felix. I could only imagine what this would look like if it was Felix.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6264363/29009578

[The Quest for Six]

what an idiot, maybe too many hits to the head

[Achilleslastand]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/02/rashard-mendenhall-raises-eyebrows-with-bin-laden-tweets/related

This time around, Mendenhall is offering opinions regarding the death of Osama bin Laden, and questioning whether the planes that hit the World Trade Center caused the collapse of the twin towers.

“We’ll never know what really happened,” Mendenhall said. “I just have a hard time believing (http://twitter.com/#%21/R_Mendenhall/status/65168149183606785)a plane could take a skyscraper down demolition style.”

Mendenhall also expresses sympathy for bin Laden. “What kind of person celebrates death?” Mendenhall says. “It’s amazing how people can HATE a man they have never even heard speak. We’ve only heard one side (http://twitter.com/#%21/R_Mendenhall/status/65166153525379072).”

Whats so hard to believe about a jet airliner that weights upwards of 400 tons and is traveling at 400-500 mph full of jet fuel taking down a skyscraper?
Sometimes its better to keep your mouth shut then open it and remove all doubt that your a fool.
I think we have a sympathizer in our midst and a deportation is in order.

[Spectre]

You can just look at some people and tell they're dumb.

[casmith07]

Guy is a moron, through and through.

[big dog cowboy]

:facepalm:

[Teren_Kanan]

Mendenhall also expresses sympathy for bin Laden. “What kind of person celebrates death?” Mendenhall says. “It’s amazing how people can HATE a man they have never even heard speak. We’ve only heard one side (http://twitter.com/#%21/R_Mendenhall/status/65166153525379072).”

All of this sounds fairly intelligent to me.

Not so much the airplane comment though.

Celebrating a death just doesn't seem right to me, regardless of whether or not a person deserves it. It is very american though. Celebrate death and violence, shun nudity and foul language. Go Go America. Yay.

The flame bait is set. Enjoy.

[joseephuss]

All of this sounds fairly intelligent to me.

Not so much the airplane comment though.

Celebrating a death just doesn't seem right to me, regardless of whether or not a person deserves it. It is very american though. Celebrate death and violence, shun nudity and foul language. Go Go America. Yay.

The flame bait is set. Enjoy.

Justice was being celebrated yesterday. The celebration would have been equally jubilant had Bin Laden been captured and brought back to the U.S. People still would have been dancing in the streets. Generalities and stereotypes do not apply to what has occurred since late Sunday evening.

[tupperware]

I agree with some of what he has said.

[zrinkill]

Celebrating a death just doesn't seem right to me, regardless of whether or not a person deserves it. It is very american though. Celebrate death and violence, shun nudity and foul language. Go Go America. Yay.

:laugh1:

If that's what you think about America ..... no wonder you are mourning a terrorist's death.

[DIAF]

I can understand someone not wanting to celebrate someone's death, even Bin Laden's. Even Rudy Guiliani said he didn't feel like celebrating. But lol @ all that other stuff, Rashard Mendenhall is an idiot. I'm sure his comments will play VERY well in blue-collar Pittsburgh, a whole 80 miles from where Flight 93 went down.

[Chocolate Lab]

There aren't enough of these http://media.scout.com/media/forums/emoticons/112/doh.gif in the world.

[bbgun]

I don't expect athletes to be smart, so .....

[CowboyDan]

Somebody needs to do this to that little!

http://goofygifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/funny-tattoos-my-next-tattoo-will-be-right-here-on-my-forehead.gif (http://goofygifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/funny-tattoos-my-next-tattoo-will-be-right-here-on-my-forehead.gif)

[daschoo]

i agree with some of what he said. didn't sit right with me watching people celebrating in the streets but on the other hand to say that people who never met bin laden should reserve judgement is just plain moronic. even if there is no proof he was behind 9/11 (wikileaks apparantly have files that show the fbi could never find evidence according to a news report over here) he claimed responsibility and orchestrated (or at the very least was the figurehead of the group who carried out) several other attacks on american and european targets so i think its safe to say not many in the west were sad to see his demise.

[Yakuza Rich]

Nobody is demanding that every person 'celebrate' Bin Laden's death. But for Mendenhall to question those who CHOOSE to celebrate Bin Laden's death says a lot about this ingrate.

I woke up this morning and literally felt so good today. I then realized how depressed and frustrated Bin Laden being alive had made me and how much of that I've supressed over the years. And how proud I am of the men and women in the armed forces that helped us bring this POS to justice.

I can say now with 1000% confidence that I'm glad we drafted Felix over this guy.





YR

[basstapp]

How does the guy question how a plane takes down a skyscraper demolition style? It was a giant bomb. Plane + Jet Fuel + Collision = building fall.

[Chuck 54]

It's one thing to celebrate a person's death.

It's another thing to celebrate the removal of one of the most dangerous people on the planet, a man who not only ordered the 911 attacks and proudly took credit for them, but also a man who still posed a real threat to innocent men, women, and children across the globe, including Americans.

He's gone...I am not vindictive enough to celebrate his death at the hands of old age, cancer, etc., but I am human and American enough to celebrate the removal in any way necessary of an enemy who is at war with America, not just it's military, but moreso it's innocent civilians.

Good riddance.

[Biggems]

I guess the idiot believes the whole video of the planes taking out the WTC was nothing more than Hollywood special effects. I guess he thought it was a Spielberg, Cameron, or Lucas film.

I have never liked Mendenhall. I didn't like him in college, I didn't want us to draft him, I haven't liked him with Pittsburgh...and since the offseason, he has allowed us to get a glimse of his way of thinking, and I definitely do not like him now.

I do not condone murder, however, in times of war people die. Many times it is innocent people, unfortunately. However, this time, it was the mastermind of a barrage of worldwide terrorist attacks that killed thousands of innocent people. So in this case, I have no issues with celebrating death. When bad people die, we should celebrate. When good people die, who should mourn.

Afterall, when he died, the world became less evil. Less evil is always a good thing.

I'd love to give Mendenhall the double Stone Cold Salute, with both of them painted red, white, and blue.

GOD BLESS AMERICA

[kapolani]

All of this sounds fairly intelligent to me.

Not so much the airplane comment though.

Celebrating a death just doesn't seem right to me, regardless of whether or not a person deserves it. It is very american though. Celebrate death and violence, shun nudity and foul language. Go Go America. Yay.

The flame bait is set. Enjoy.

Wait a second?

You mean all the muslims chanting death to Americans in some sandy country is different? How about parading America's fallen through the streets like a piece of meat?

If I had it my way I would have put his head on the end of my spear and mounted it outside the gates of the White House.

[crazytown41]

How does the guy question how a plane takes down a skyscraper demolition style? It was a giant bomb. Plane + Jet Fuel + Collision = building fall.
You'd be surprised how many Americans actually believe we deliberately took down the WTC so we can invade Iraq. :(

[DallasGirl50]

Wait a second?

You mean all the muslims chanting death to Americans in some sandy country is different? How about parading America's fallen through the streets like a piece of meat?

If I had it my way I would have put his head on the end of my spear and mounted it outside the gates of the White House.


Great post...:bow:

[tupperware]

You'd be surprised how many Americans actually believe we deliberately took down the WTC so we can invade Iraq. :(
I think the real danger is believing a conspiracy theory just to believe it. To be different or to be one who automatically trusts all the information you receive from sources you feel you should trust.

I like to be a free thinker, for the most part. I don't automatically believe things I'm shown just because it's reported that way. At the same time, I don't automatically review every trivial thing with a critical eye. Sometimes it is what it is.

But I don't mind fact checking or investigating things and making rational decisions on them and sometimes in the event I can't put together the facts for myself I remain neutral or I prefer to not make assumptions either way. This is kind of going beyond WTC, though. This is just how I view things in general, including the Cowboys.

[DallasGirl50]

I imagine when Hitler got blown up people celebrated then too...and yet people today still claim he didn't really massacre all those Jews. People can be just plain stupid sometime.

Some people don't deserve the gift of life. They are just plain evil thru and thru and that would be OBL.

[Hoofbite]

When I'm down with all the crap I have flooding my week, I'm having a beer and it's gonna be in the name of dead terrorists.

Hell, I'd make a holiday of it if it were up to me.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Im still trying to figure out what Jesse Venturas deal is

[The30YardSlant]

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=13518592

"What kind of person celebrates death? It's amazing how people can HATE a man they have never even heard speak. We've only heard one side..."


"We'll never know what really happened. I just have a hard time believing a plane could take a skyscraper down demolition style."



Even if you're dense enough to actually believe this nonsense, it takes a special kind of idiot to say it on a public platform. Anyone still wish we'd taken him over Felix? This is hardly his first dumb PR move.

[The30YardSlant]

How does the guy question how a plane takes down a skyscraper demolition style? It was a giant bomb. Plane + Jet Fuel + Collision = building fall.

My question is what all of these "truthers" expected to happen? They claim that the buildings went down "demolition style", but I'm not sure what they think should have happened to them. Were they supposed to spontaneously vaporize? Tip over sideways? Gravity is a constant force in a single direction, and absent any other forces something heavy enough to essentially nullify the effect of air resistance should fall straight down. It went down exactly as the laws of physics dictate it shoud have.

[JPM]

The flame bait is set. Enjoy.
So you put this here just to get folks riled up ?
Stay classy.

[crazytown41]

My question is what all of these "truthers" expected to happen? They claim that the buildings went down "demolition style", but I'm not sure what they think should have happened to them. Were they supposed to spontaneously vaporize? Tip over sideways? Gravity is a constant force in a single direction, and absent any other forces something heavy enough to essentially nullify the effect of air resistance should fall straight down. It went down exactly as the laws of physics dictate it shoud have.
renown physicists also agree but apparently these loons still know better. They also believe there is no proof a plane hit the Pentagon. That it was also an explosion.:confused:

[bigE79]

Nobody is demanding that every person 'celebrate' Bin Laden's death. But for Mendenhall to question those who CHOOSE to celebrate Bin Laden's death says a lot about this ingrate.

I woke up this morning and literally felt so good today. I then realized how depressed and frustrated Bin Laden being alive had made me and how much of that I've supressed over the years. And how proud I am of the men and women in the armed forces that helped us bring this POS to justice.

I can say now with 1000% confidence that I'm glad we drafted Felix over this guy.





YRditto:starspin

[bigE79]

Wait a second?

You mean all the muslims chanting death to Americans in some sandy country is different? How about parading America's fallen through the streets like a piece of meat?

If I had it my way I would have put his head on the end of my spear and mounted it outside the gates of the White House.:bow: This is one GREAT POST...**** yea

[Yakuza Rich]

If I had it my way I would have put his head on the end of my spear and mounted it outside the gates of the White House.

If I had my way, we would've lit him on fire and then forced him to jump off a skyscraper.

All I know is that for a guy claiming that he wanted to die to go to heaven with the virgins, he sure as hell did what he could to stay alive when Seal Team Six raided their place.

As far as the Truthers go, they are a joke. They are the type that will only believe something differently if we build a replica of the WTC and then actually have the same jet plane fly into it at the same speed. Every single time their BS gets disproven, that's their dumb claim. It's really about as stupid as people thinking that OJ didn't do it because we don't actually have a video of OJ killing Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman.

'for those who believe, no explanation is needed. For those who don't believe, no explanation will do.'





YR

[The30YardSlant]

If I had my way, we would've lit him on fire and then forced him to jump off a skyscraper.

Agreed. We should have locked him inside a small room on the hundredth floor of a skyscraper and set the room on fire. We give him the courtesy of one unlocked window and let him choose whether he wants to burn alive or jump. It's the same courtesy he gave thousands of Americans.

We stream it live over the internet and charge $10 to allow Americans to view it, then we take all the money and donate it to the families of those who died.

[TheDallasDon]

I agree with about the celebrating some 1's death.........no matter wht someone has done ur not supposed to hate them or celebrate their death imo.

Sorry I kno people want like this but ur not supposed to kill any either unless its to protect ur own or familys life, so his killing is justified. Just not celebrated

[Romo_To_Dez]

My question is what all of these "truthers" expected to happen? They claim that the buildings went down "demolition style", but I'm not sure what they think should have happened to them. Were they supposed to spontaneously vaporize? Tip over sideways? Gravity is a constant force in a single direction, and absent any other forces something heavy enough to essentially nullify the effect of air resistance should fall straight down. It went down exactly as the laws of physics dictate it shoud have.

I'm still waiting for them to give an logical explanation on how the government got all of those Bombs in the Building without the thousands of people that worked there noticing. Or And the building fell from where the Planes impacted and weakened the building, not from the bottom.

[The30YardSlant]

I'm still waiting for them to give an logical explanation on how the government got all of those Bombs in the Building without the thousands of people that worked there noticing. Or And the building fell from where the Planes impacted and weakened the building, not from the bottom.

There was a fire scare a couple weeks before 9/11 and a week or two prior to the attacks a fire team conducted a two day inspection of the building. The truthers all claim that they were government operatives who planted the explosives....yes, they actually believe a team of eight or nine guys planted enough plastic explosive to bring down a 110 story building in two days, all without anybody noticing.

They also claim you can see explosions as the buildngs are falling. First of all, it was the windows blowing out from the sudden increase in pressure caused by the floors above compressing the air. Second, demolitions are triggered from the bottom and the explosions are seen several seconds prior to the bulding falling, not AS it is falling.

[Venger]

I can understand his doubts - I mean it's not like there's video of what happened to the Twin Towers or anything...

***** clown. Like I needed another reason to dislike the Steelers...

[DallasEast]

Here's a probable explanation for Mendenhall's inability to believe that the jets brought down the twin towers.

He was only fourteen when the planes hit. Every television outlet rebroadcast the horrific scene literally 24/7 for several weeks.

Obviously, his young mind was incapable of assimilating the nightmarish imagery which was bombarding him incessantly and automatically concocted something else as a substitute--something which he could deal with mentally. Something easier to cope with.

As far as his other comments, I would just say that he's clueless about how the real world works. Just my two cents.

[Biggems]

I know why he doesn't believe the planes could take down towers.....he was too busy being a slave to see any of the television coverage. when you look up in the sky, those planes look so small. Buildings look so big. So in his feeble mind, tiny planes cannot destroy giant buildings. oh well, it sucks to be an ignorant slave.

This idiot has comprised two of the dumbest comments of the year...and now I get to ridicule him on both fronts at the same time. Thank you Mendenhall for being a major Massengill bag......and allowing me to entertain myself in this most boring of offseasons.....no football, no more Spurs, no more Penguins.

[5Stars]

I agree with about the celebrating some 1's death.........no matter wht someone has done ur not supposed to hate them or celebrate their death imo.

Sorry I kno people want like this but ur not supposed to kill any either unless its to protect ur own or familys life, so his killing is justified. Just not celebrated

Hooked On Phonetics Helped Me.

Not celebrated? You should see the American Flags flying all round this town!
:cool:

[5Stars]

Here's a probable explanation for Mendenhall's inability to believe that the jets brought down the twin towers.

He was only fourteen when the planes hit. Every television outlet rebroadcast the horrific scene literally 24/7 for several weeks.

Obviously, his young mind was incapable of assimilating the nightmarish imagery which was bombarding him incessantly and automatically concocted something else as a substitute--something which he could deal with mentally. Something easier to cope with.

As far as his other comments, I would just say that he's clueless about how the real world works. Just my two cents.

Being 14 years old does not justify his stupid remarks. I though this fool went to college?

If that is his logical way of thinking...then he's a dumb bastid and did not learn anything in school!
:cool:

[5Stars]

I know why he doesn't believe the planes could take down towers.....he was too busy being a slave to see any of the television coverage. when you look up in the sky, those planes look so small. Buildings look so big. So in his feeble mind, tiny planes cannot destroy giant buildings. oh well, it sucks to be an ignorant slave.

This idiot has comprised two of the dumbest comments of the year...and now I get to ridicule him on both fronts at the same time. Thank you Mendenhall for being a major Massengill bag......and allowing me to entertain myself in this most boring of offseasons.....no football, no more Spurs, no more Penguins.

:bow:

[burmafrd]

those that think we should not celebrate the death of mass murderers really have no concept of reality. They live in their own small little box and never do anything to get out of it.

wake up idiots. You should celebrate the deaths of those that deserve death.

[CowboyFan74]

The title had me cracking up till I read that drivel, what a tard...

[Double Trouble]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/02/rashard-mendenhall-raises-eyebrows-with-bin-laden-tweets/related

This time around, Mendenhall is offering opinions regarding the death of Osama bin Laden, and questioning whether the planes that hit the World Trade Center caused the collapse of the twin towers.

“We’ll never know what really happened,” Mendenhall said. “I just have a hard time believing (http://twitter.com/#%21/R_Mendenhall/status/65168149183606785)a plane could take a skyscraper down demolition style.”

Mendenhall also expresses sympathy for bin Laden. “What kind of person celebrates death?” Mendenhall says. “It’s amazing how people can HATE a man they have never even heard speak. We’ve only heard one side (http://twitter.com/#%21/R_Mendenhall/status/65166153525379072).”There will be legion spin of this by steeler fans. There is no excuse for it. He's not merely stupid. Something is wrong with that man.

What I find most disappointing about Mendenhall is his lack of an American identity. When it comes to me, there is no "other side". I'm a homer for America. My assumptions about my country are generally going to be positive. I give my country the benefit of the doubt (as if there is any doubt with respect to the 911 attacks), not a psycho who orchestrated and then celebrated the mass murder of 3,000 people.

IMO, there's some sort of massive disconnect in this country, and it's not just political, economic, or racial. In the case of Mendenhall, he lives in a country where his sort is nearly worshipped, he's rich beyond the imagination of 99% of the world, and he has freedom much of the world can only dream of.

And his response? He's uncertain whether or not he should side with a bloody murderer who hated our way of life or with the country that gave him almost everything.

What a sad fool he is.

[MetalHead]

When I'm down with all the crap I have flooding my week, I'm having a beer and it's gonna be in the name of dead terrorists.

Hell, I'd make a holiday of it if it were up to me.

That is right.
Let's make May 1st a beer drinking day and get OBL urinal cakes.

[StevenOtero]

He's an idiot for not being a good sheep and following along with the official story of 9/11? Not at all.

Only an idiot would take something at face value as "fact".

Edit: ...and before you delete my post for the reason of this not being the "Political Zone". Fine..I'll give you that. ....but this whole damn board is the politically correct zone. Oh no! Don't question anything the good ol gooberment says, just bury your head in the sand!

[burmafrd]

or be like you and take it to the other extreme. Equally stupid.

[jterrell]

Came here to post link to this with a title like good thing we didn't draft this worm!

WOW!

Seriously????

I hope his OL lets him learn a few lessons this season with missed blocks.

[kapolani]

He's an idiot for not being a good sheep and following along with the official story of 9/11? Not at all.

Only an idiot would take something at face value as "fact".

Edit: ...and before you delete my post for the reason of this not being the "Political Zone". Fine..I'll give you that. ....but this whole damn board is the politically correct zone. Oh no! Don't question anything the good ol gooberment says, just bury your head in the sand!

***?

You actually believe that planes didn't take out those buildings?

Do you also believe the world is flat?

I know all about you whack job conspiracy theorists. Some of you are just as dangerous as you purport the government to be.

[StevenOtero]

or be like you and take it to the other extreme. Equally stupid.Yeah, whatever you say. You're really tough behind a keyboard.

Where exactly are you at?

[StevenOtero]

***?

You actually believe that planes didn't take out those buildings?

Do you also believe the world is flat?

I know all about you whack job conspiracy theorists. Some of you are just as dangerous as you purport the government to be.Typical ad hominem attack.

[kapolani]

Yeah, whatever you say. You're really tough behind a keyboard.

Where exactly are you at?

EL OH EL

You aren't going to do crap...

[kapolani]

Typical ad hominem attack.

YAWN.

Typical tin foil, mouth breathing, bonehead response...

[StevenOtero]

YAWN.

Typical tin foil, mouth breathing, bonehead response...:rolleyes:

[StevenOtero]

EL OH EL

You aren't going to do crap...burmafrd is probably some WSMR punk that thinks his poop doesn't stink.

[DallasGirl50]

Charlie Sheen was one of the first I heard that said the buildings were blown up...and now his little bitty brain has gone bye-bye on him. Oh yea and Rosie O'Donnell. Two winners there...

[jterrell]

He's an idiot for not being a good sheep and following along with the official story of 9/11? Not at all.

Only an idiot would take something at face value as "fact".

Edit: ...and before you delete my post for the reason of this not being the "Political Zone". Fine..I'll give you that. ....but this whole damn board is the politically correct zone. Oh no! Don't question anything the good ol gooberment says, just bury your head in the sand!

I am fairly liberal and certainly mistrust our govt because i know they lie even if they believe they do so for good.

All that said it is 100% clear Bin Laden speaking on tapes in Arabic on Al Jazeera is hardly the work of our gov't.

I don't really need to believe some great gov't story on this I can merely believe Bin Laden himself.

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Confession_video

[DallasGirl50]

Truth= Bin Laden hated Americans and this country. If I or anybody else on this board walked into a room he was in and he had a weapon he would kill us and not think twice about it.

Truth= it's always a good thing when scum like that are history. He abused the air the Good Lord gave him to breath.

Truth= KARMA is a *****!

[BraveHeartFan]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/02/rashard-mendenhall-raises-eyebrows-with-bin-laden-tweets/related

This time around, Mendenhall is offering opinions regarding the death of Osama bin Laden, and questioning whether the planes that hit the World Trade Center caused the collapse of the twin towers.

“We’ll never know what really happened,” Mendenhall said. “I just have a hard time believing (http://twitter.com/#%21/R_Mendenhall/status/65168149183606785)a plane could take a skyscraper down demolition style.”

Mendenhall also expresses sympathy for bin Laden. “What kind of person celebrates death?” Mendenhall says. “It’s amazing how people can HATE a man they have never even heard speak. We’ve only heard one side (http://twitter.com/#%21/R_Mendenhall/status/65166153525379072).”


Sounds like he's a perfect fit for the Steelers since they have a QB, and front office which is in support of said QB, who doesn't understand why it's not ok to rape women.

[The30YardSlant]

Here's a probable explanation for Mendenhall's inability to believe that the jets brought down the twin towers.

He was only fourteen when the planes hit. Every television outlet rebroadcast the horrific scene literally 24/7 for several weeks.

Obviously, his young mind was incapable of assimilating the nightmarish imagery which was bombarding him incessantly and automatically concocted something else as a substitute--something which he could deal with mentally. Something easier to cope with.

As far as his other comments, I would just say that he's clueless about how the real world works. Just my two cents.

I was 16. My sister was 13. Almost all of my current friends were around that age at the time. None of us have ever even considered the thought that it was an inside job or that it was anyone other than Islamic terrorists. He shouldnt get a pass just because he was "young". He's just an idiot.

[The30YardSlant]

He's an idiot for not being a good sheep and following along with the official story of 9/11? Not at all.

Only an idiot would take something at face value as "fact".

Edit: ...and before you delete my post for the reason of this not being the "Political Zone". Fine..I'll give you that. ....but this whole damn board is the politically correct zone. Oh no! Don't question anything the good ol gooberment says, just bury your head in the sand!

I honestly pity people like yourself. I know not whether you actually believe this, but I do know that it takes a sad, pathetic little man to sit there behind a keyboard with a straight face and suggest as much. People like you don't need a beating nor do they need to be granted a platform for which to spew their nonsense, they need only the sympathy and prayers of others.

Even the most liberal, flag-burning, government hating hippies know that 9/11 was the act of Islamic terrorists. Those who suggest otherwise either have a political axe to grind, are mentally unstable or both. Real Americans arent this desperate to denounce our government, and spare me the "true patriotism is always questioning the government" nonsense. There is a time and place for doubt. This is not it.

[BraveHeartFan]

My question is what all of these "truthers" expected to happen? They claim that the buildings went down "demolition style", but I'm not sure what they think should have happened to them. Were they supposed to spontaneously vaporize? Tip over sideways? Gravity is a constant force in a single direction, and absent any other forces something heavy enough to essentially nullify the effect of air resistance should fall straight down. It went down exactly as the laws of physics dictate it shoud have.

There you go getting in the way of their wonderful little stories with silly little things like facts. You know that you're not supposed to do that.

Great post btw.


Agreed. We should have locked him inside a small room on the hundredth floor of a skyscraper and set the room on fire. We give him the courtesy of one unlocked window and let him choose whether he wants to burn alive or jump. It's the same courtesy he gave thousands of Americans.

We stream it live over the internet and charge $10 to allow Americans to view it, then we take all the money and donate it to the families of those who died.

I'll admit that I can't help but agree with this. I've long thought, in all cases of murders, that they should be given the same courtesy they give their victims and have to die in the exact same ways.


There was a fire scare a couple weeks before 9/11 and a week or two prior to the attacks a fire team conducted a two day inspection of the building. The truthers all claim that they were government operatives who planted the explosives....yes, they actually believe a team of eight or nine guys planted enough plastic explosive to bring down a 110 story building in two days, all without anybody noticing.

They also claim you can see explosions as the buildngs are falling. First of all, it was the windows blowing out from the sudden increase in pressure caused by the floors above compressing the air. Second, demolitions are triggered from the bottom and the explosions are seen several seconds prior to the bulding falling, not AS it is falling.

There you go again getting in the way of storytelling by pulling out facts. Don't you know that you're going to make those poor folks cry or come here with "Oh typical response" cause they have no way of answer your questions?



I know why he doesn't believe the planes could take down towers.....he was too busy being a slave to see any of the television coverage. when you look up in the sky, those planes look so small. Buildings look so big. So in his feeble mind, tiny planes cannot destroy giant buildings. oh well, it sucks to be an ignorant slave.

This idiot has comprised two of the dumbest comments of the year...and now I get to ridicule him on both fronts at the same time. Thank you Mendenhall for being a major Massengill bag......and allowing me to entertain myself in this most boring of offseasons.....no football, no more Spurs, no more Penguins.


LMAO!

Nice.


There will be legion spin of this by steeler fans. There is no excuse for it. He's not merely stupid. Something is wrong with that man.

What I find most disappointing about Mendenhall is his lack of an American identity. When it comes to me, there is no "other side". I'm a homer for America. My assumptions about my country are generally going to be positive. I give my country the benefit of the doubt (as if there is any doubt with respect to the 911 attacks), not a psycho who orchestrated and then celebrated the mass murder of 3,000 people.

IMO, there's some sort of massive disconnect in this country, and it's not just political, economic, or racial. In the case of Mendenhall, he lives in a country where his sort is nearly worshipped, he's rich beyond the imagination of 99% of the world, and he has freedom much of the world can only dream of.

And his response? He's uncertain whether or not he should side with a bloody murderer who hated our way of life or with the country that gave him almost everything.

What a sad fool he is.


Excellent post. Agreed 100%.


He's an idiot for not being a good sheep and following along with the official story of 9/11? Not at all.

Only an idiot would take something at face value as "fact".

Edit: ...and before you delete my post for the reason of this not being the "Political Zone". Fine..I'll give you that. ....but this whole damn board is the politically correct zone. Oh no! Don't question anything the good ol gooberment says, just bury your head in the sand!

You mad bro?



or be like you and take it to the other extreme. Equally stupid.

Great point.



Yeah, whatever you say. You're really tough behind a keyboard.

Where exactly are you at?

Hmmm...

That sounds like a very vague, and hilarious, typical internet tough guy threat. Gotta love it when people act super tough by calling people out for being behind their keyboards...while at the same time they themselves are, in fact, behind a keyboard.

And where you at? LOL! Like you're going to do anything.


Typical ad hominem attack.


So you're theory then is that Bin Laden, out of the kindess and love of the United States in his heart, decided to take credit, and blame, for having those planes flown into the buildings, killing thousands of innocent people? You think he just woke up that day said "OH YAY! I'm going to take the blame for this cause it would be oh so cool!!!!"

LOL!

Right.

[The30YardSlant]

I am fairly liberal and certainly mistrust our govt because i know they lie even if they believe they do so for good.

All that said it is 100% clear Bin Laden speaking on tapes in Arabic on Al Jazeera is hardly the work of our gov't.

I don't really need to believe some great gov't story on this I can merely believe Bin Laden himself.

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Confession_video

Hell, I'm very conservative and I'm very distrusting of our government. I believe they are constantly out for more control and looking to inject themselves into my life whenever possible.

When it comes to 9/11 though, we're all just angry Americans looking for justice. I am no fan of Bush and even lesser of a fan of Obama, but both are just as American as I am and both wanted nothing more than to punish this sick SOB.

[BraveHeartFan]

Hell, I'm very conservative and I'm very distrusting of our government. I believe they are constantly out for more control and looking to inject themselves into my life whenever possible.

When it comes to 9/11 though, we're all just angry Americans looking for justice. I am no fan of Bush and even lesser of a fan of Obama, but both are just as American as I am and both wanted nothing more than to punish this sick SOB.


Agreed. I'm right there with you on this post.

[MetalHead]

He's an idiot for not being a good sheep and following along with the official story of 9/11? Not at all.

Only an idiot would take something at face value as "fact".

Edit: ...and before you delete my post for the reason of this not being the "Political Zone". Fine..I'll give you that. ....but this whole damn board is the politically correct zone. Oh no! Don't question anything the good ol gooberment says, just bury your head in the sand!

I forgive you...you re just a kid.

[Biggems]

There will be legion spin of this by steeler fans. There is no excuse for it. He's not merely stupid. Something is wrong with that man.

What I find most disappointing about Mendenhall is his lack of an American identity. When it comes to me, there is no "other side". I'm a homer for America. My assumptions about my country are generally going to be positive. I give my country the benefit of the doubt (as if there is any doubt with respect to the 911 attacks), not a psycho who orchestrated and then celebrated the mass murder of 3,000 people.

IMO, there's some sort of massive disconnect in this country, and it's not just political, economic, or racial. In the case of Mendenhall, he lives in a country where his sort is nearly worshipped, he's rich beyond the imagination of 99% of the world, and he has freedom much of the world can only dream of.

And his response? He's uncertain whether or not he should side with a bloody murderer who hated our way of life or with the country that gave him almost everything.

What a sad fool he is.


Come on Double Trouble...why would he side with the country that has made him a slave?:rolleyes:

[MetalHead]

Typical ad hominem attack.

Now I know you are a kid...using the "ad hominem" term is a dead giveaway.
What kind of tuff guy uses that?
Ever hear Dirty Harry utter."ad hominem,punk?"
no...no one uses that.
Grow up kiddo,and for your own safety,remove your FB stuff from here...have some sense.

[Achilleslastand]

He's an idiot for not being a good sheep and following along with the official story of 9/11? Not at all.

Only an idiot would take something at face value as "fact".

Edit: ...and before you delete my post for the reason of this not being the "Political Zone". Fine..I'll give you that. ....but this whole damn board is the politically correct zone. Oh no! Don't question anything the good ol gooberment says, just bury your head in the sand!

Wow who knew Rosie O Donnell posted here at the Zone?
:laugh2:

[Corleone]

I was 16. My sister was 13. Almost all of my current friends were around that age at the time. None of us have ever even considered the thought that it was an inside job or that it was anyone other than Islamic terrorists. He shouldnt get a pass just because he was "young". He's just an idiot.

I was around 11 probably when it happened but I remember that day as if it happened on Sunday and since then I have read about it, heard about and it doesn't take a genius to know what the guy was and what he was responsible for, even pre-9/11. I agree, age really doesn't factor into whether or not you will buy into conspiracy theories or whatever else. Mendenhall really should have thought about what he was saying before he "Tweeted" but who does these days, the Steelers organization is not okay with this, and neither are American's in general. I for one celebrate the hell out of his death, if I only I were in D.C when the news broke.

[Venger]

Charlie Sheen was one of the first I heard that said the buildings were blown up...and now his little bitty brain has gone bye-bye on him. Oh yea and Rosie O'Donnell. Two winners there...

Rosie O'Donnell, who claimed it was not possible for fire to melt steel.

Well, ahem, how do you think they were making it 3000 years ago Rosie? Fire absolutely melts steel - they weren't melting it with frickin' laser beams shooting from the eyes of sharks...

[The30YardSlant]

Rosie O'Donnell, who claimed it was not possible for fire to melt steel.

The funniest part is that nobody has EVER claimed that the steel melted. It didnt, nor did it need to for the buildings to collapse.

Jet fuel is mostly hydrocarbons and in atmospheric oxygen burns at a temperature between 1,000 and 1,250 degrees celsius. Steel, depending on its specific content, burns at around 1,500 degrees celsius. However, steel's durability begins declining at around 1,100 degrees celsius and starts declining exponentially between 1,200 and 1,300 degrees celsius. Experts, based on the heat of the fire and the time in which it burned, have calculated that at the time of the collapse the steel supporting the structures was between 50 and 60 percent weaker than it normally was and 30 percent weaker than the safety threshold for those particular structures.

Frankly, it's amazing they didnt collapse sooner. They both stood for over thirty minutes after the supposed threshold for the structure had been reached. Steel is durable, but nobody planned for it to withhold that kind of intense, widespread fire for that period of time and across that many floors.

[TheDallasDon]

Hooked On Phonetics Helped Me.

Not celebrated? You should see the American Flags flying all round this town!
:cool:

Hahahaha dood I use my phone and I was at work didn't have time to correct spelling or punctuation

[RoyTheHammer]

i agree with some of what he said. didn't sit right with me watching people celebrating in the streets but on the other hand to say that people who never met bin laden should reserve judgement is just plain moronic. even if there is no proof he was behind 9/11 (wikileaks apparantly have files that show the fbi could never find evidence according to a news report over here) he claimed responsibility and orchestrated (or at the very least was the figurehead of the group who carried out) several other attacks on american and european targets so i think its safe to say not many in the west were sad to see his demise.

I share the opinion of agreeing with some of what he said. Americans celebrating his death in the streets is just plain wrong. How would God look down on you at celebrating the death of one of His children?

Also, i don't believe he was trying to say that people who have never met Bin Laden should reserve judgement, as much as he was just commenting on the fact that no one but God should be passing judgement on anyone. We're all sinners.

That being said.. i don't agree with his comment about the 9/11 conspiracy, but i don't have a problem with his wanting to question it. Its part of what America stands for, even if it does seem really stupid.

[SaltwaterServr]

The funniest part is that nobody has EVER claimed that the steel melted. It didnt, nor did it need to for the buildings to collapse.

Jet fuel is mostly hydrocarbons and in atmospheric oxygen burns at a temperature between 1,000 and 1,250 degrees celsius. Steel, depending on its specific content, burns at around 1,500 degrees celsius. However, steel's durability begins declining at around 1,100 degrees celsius and starts declining exponentially between 1,200 and 1,300 degrees celsius. Experts, based on the heat of the fire and the time in which it burned, have calculated that at the time of the collapse the steel supporting the structures was between 50 and 60 percent weaker than it normally was and 30 percent weaker than the safety threshold for those particular structures.

Frankly, it's amazing they didnt collapse sooner. They both stood for over thirty minutes after the supposed threshold for the structure had been reached. Steel is durable, but nobody planned for it to withhold that kind of intense, widespread fire for that period of time and across that many floors.

I'd say the reason that they withstood gravity and the effects of the furnace-like environment is because the girders and trusses were shot with flame-retardant that insulated them to a degree. All the fire needed was time, and those towers were coming down. Even if the firefighters had made it all the way to the burning floors with hoses and plenty of water, once they started spraying on that red hot steel it would have triggered the collapse.

It's truly amazing to see how steel holds up against inertia. Back in 95 or 96 I was working for Dad as a field welder, and we got called to Corpus to do a refit/repair on a 72" radial stacker/conveyor ship offloading system. Headed on down there with our of our engineers to take a look at it. The saltwater environment had eaten the thing to pieces and the company hadn't done squat for upkeep other than maintenance on the motors, reducers, idlers, and belt replacement.

I climb up to the head section, and the thing is bouncing as I walk up the catwalk. I call down to Joe, he comes up, and we both hightail it out of there once we see that the thing is flexing in the middle. Thing was ready to fall down on its own. We head back to San Antonio, and fill in Dad with the details.

He sends a crew down the next day, and they take it apart. On two of the four conveyor frame sections, 5 or 6 of the 8 bolts were rusted through. Another section, 4 of the 8 bolts were rusted through. Once they had it on the ground, they beat the sections apart with a sledge. No cutting, no unbolting, just strategic hard hits with 18 pounds of hammer.

The only dang thing holding it together under tons of force from the raw rock it was unloading a few days prior, was rust and corrosion.

Folks who haven't worked with steel, don't know **** about steel.

[Zaxor]

Forgive me all for this question and I do not believe in a conspiracy theory but something has never sat quite right with me on how come the buildings went down and I have not seen it or read it to know so forgive my ignorance... but the little I know of physics says that heat rises and at the level at which the twin towers were struck it doesn't seem to (the eye) have enough mass to collapse the entire building...I would have thought at worse the top floors might burn away (sorta like holding a match up right after the fuel is spent it goes out without consuming the stick) so I never understood how they collapsed ... but I go through life not understanding lots of things I guess... any engineers out there that might have the answer and enlighten the ignorant would be much appreciated.

[Yakuza Rich]

Forgive me all for this question and I do not believe in a conspiracy theory but something has never sat quite right with me on how come the buildings went down and I have not seen it or read it to know so forgive my ignorance... but the little I know of physics says that heat rises and at the level at which the twin towers were struck it doesn't seem to (the eye) have enough mass to collapse the entire building...I would have thought at worse the top floors might burn away (sorta like holding a match up right after the fuel is spent it goes out without consuming the stick) so I never understood how they collapsed ... but I go through life not understanding lots of things I guess... any engineers out there that might have the answer and enlighten the ignorant would be much appreciated.

I can't remember the exact floors the first plane hit. I think it was floors 93-99. The steel becomes comprised because of the heat. But also remember, you have all of the weight on the floors above floor 99 (IIRC, that was the highest floor hit). So those floors collapse on top of the floors hit and everything else falls down with it.

There are many reasons why I think Truthers are wrong on this one...but what gets me is this. Let's say it did happen the way Truthers claim...it would be a gigantic endeavor taking lots of people to get together, coordinate and pull it off.

Yet, not ONE person has ever muttered a word talking about how they were apart of it and how it was done.

That just doesn't happen. Somebody would say something to somebody.






YR

[Zaxor]

I can't remember the exact floors the first plane hit. I think it was floors 93-99. The steel becomes comprised because of the heat. But also remember, you have all of the weight on the floors above floor 99 (IIRC, that was the highest floor hit). So those floors collapse on top of the floors hit and everything else falls down with it.

There are many reasons why I think Truthers are wrong on this one...but what gets me is this. Let's say it did happen the way Truthers claim...it would be a gigantic endeavor taking lots of people to get together, coordinate and pull it off.

Yet, not ONE person has ever muttered a word talking about how they were apart of it and how it was done.

That just doesn't happen. Somebody would say something to somebody.






YR

Sorry Rich but first off what is a Truthers

[joseephuss]

Once the structure on the floor where the plane hit gave way all the floors above fell and impacted the floor immediately below. That amount of impact loading was more than enough to collapse that floor. It was like dominoes after that. Each successive floor below had to endure the impact of all the floors above crashing into them.

[Zaxor]

Sorry Rich but first off what is a Truthers
:doh: Truth...ers...sorry Rich I read truthers as something else.. is that a group of "truth seekers" so to speak and do they have some kind of theory on this or something.

[Zaxor]

Once the structure on the floor where the plane hit gave way all the floors above fell and impacted the floor immediately below. That amount of impact loading was more than enough to collapse that floor. It was like dominoes after that. Each successive floor below had to endure the impact of all the floors above crashing into them.

That is the only way I could see it happening man...that is what I was saying to the naked eye it didn't look like enough mass was above to bring down the building but what the heck do I know...I have no idea really and leave it to those who know much more about it than I do.

[Ren]

Forgive me all for this question and I do not believe in a conspiracy theory but something has never sat quite right with me on how come the buildings went down and I have not seen it or read it to know so forgive my ignorance... but the little I know of physics says that heat rises and at the level at which the twin towers were struck it doesn't seem to (the eye) have enough mass to collapse the entire building...I would have thought at worse the top floors might burn away (sorta like holding a match up right after the fuel is spent it goes out without consuming the stick) so I never understood how they collapsed ... but I go through life not understanding lots of things I guess... any engineers out there that might have the answer and enlighten the ignorant would be much appreciated.

The steel structure distributed the weight of those floors evenly down the height of the building, that's how they are able to build that high.
No floors in them selves where designed to support all the floors above, this would be impossible. Once the steel gave out the weight of those floors above pushed down on the floors below which could not support that much weight and they gave out one by one. The steel structure that holds everything up is not designed for all that weight on 1 spot so that too gives out

[big dog cowboy]

Considering the amount of damage the planes themselves did in addition to all that fuel burning and heat, I'm surprised it took as long as it did for the those towers to collapse.

[Yakuza Rich]

Sorry Rich but first off what is a Truthers

The people that claim 9/11 was an conspiracy. That's what they call themselves.





YR

[Venger]

Forgive me all for this question and I do not believe in a conspiracy theory but something has never sat quite right with me on how come the buildings went down and I have not seen it or read it to know so forgive my ignorance... but the little I know of physics says that heat rises and at the level at which the twin towers were struck it doesn't seem to (the eye) have enough mass to collapse the entire building...I would have thought at worse the top floors might burn away (sorta like holding a match up right after the fuel is spent it goes out without consuming the stick) so I never understood how they collapsed ... but I go through life not understanding lots of things I guess... any engineers out there that might have the answer and enlighten the ignorant would be much appreciated.

Heat does not rise. Hot air rises. And that's due to gas laws.

I don't understand what is so hard to get. They flew a fully fueled airliner at top speed into the building. And we can't understand why that caused them to collapse?

I mean what is the alternate hypotheses - that hundreds and hundreds of people participated in a massive conspiracy that was pulled off flawlessly - to what logical end?

You really have to have a serious social disconnect to buy into anything truther ******s are peddling.

[trickblue]

He's an idiot for not being a good sheep and following along with the official story of 9/11? Not at all.

Only an idiot would take something at face value as "fact".

Edit: ...and before you delete my post for the reason of this not being the "Political Zone". Fine..I'll give you that. ....but this whole damn board is the politically correct zone. Oh no! Don't question anything the good ol gooberment says, just bury your head in the sand!

You'll notice your post isn't deleted... because you are 100% wrong. This board is family friendly, not politically correct. There is a distinct difference that you obviously fail to grasp...

No one is forcing you to read or post here... there are plenty of other boards out there that aren't family friendly that would welcome titty pics and f-bombs. This one won't...

Stick around if you want, but I can't understand why you would torture yourself when it's so awful around here...

Carry on...

[WV Cowboy]

there are plenty of other boards out there that aren't family friendly that would welcome titty pics

Where are these sites, so I can make sure I don't stumble upon them? :D

[joseephuss]

Where are these sites, so I can make sure I don't stumble upon them? :D

I agree. Please protect me from myself TB.

[CaptainAmerica]

...he's now defending Bin Laden.

http://nation.foxnews.com/culture/2011/05/03/steelers-running-back-defends-bin-laden?cmpid=cmty_fb_Gigya_Steelers_Running_Back_De fends_Bin_Laden

Rashard Mendenhall, the 23-year-old native of Illinois didn't like the way Americans were celebrating the death of Osama bin Laden on Monday, and he let out his frustrations on Twitter.

"What kind of person celebrates death?" Mendenhall, who last made national headlines for fumbling in the Super Bowl and "celebrating" a little too hard with Ben Roethlisberger in the playoffs, wrote. "It's amazing how people can HATE a man they have never even heard speak. We've only heard one side ..."

That wasn't all, though, as Mendenhall expressed doubt that airplanes could have demolished the World Trade Center.

"We'll never know what really happened," Mendenhall wrote. "I just have a hard time believing a plane could take a skyscraper down demolition style."

[Manwiththeplan]

...he's now defending Bin Laden.

http://nation.foxnews.com/culture/2011/05/03/steelers-running-back-defends-bin-laden?cmpid=cmty_fb_Gigya_Steelers_Running_Back_De fends_Bin_Laden

Rashard Mendenhall, the 23-year-old native of Illinois didn't like the way Americans were celebrating the death of Osama bin Laden on Monday, and he let out his frustrations on Twitter.

"What kind of person celebrates death?" Mendenhall, who last made national headlines for fumbling in the Super Bowl and "celebrating" a little too hard with Ben Roethlisberger in the playoffs, wrote. "It's amazing how people can HATE a man they have never even heard speak. We've only heard one side ..."

That wasn't all, though, as Mendenhall expressed doubt that airplanes could have demolished the World Trade Center.

"We'll never know what really happened," Mendenhall wrote. "I just have a hard time believing a plane could take a skyscraper down demolition style."

there's a thread on this in the nfl zone

[RoyTheHammer]

This is old news.. and i wouldn't say he's defending Bin Laden.

[superpunk]

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter?

[fiveandcounting]

My question is what all of these "truthers" expected to happen? They claim that the buildings went down "demolition style", but I'm not sure what they think should have happened to them. Were they supposed to spontaneously vaporize? Tip over sideways? Gravity is a constant force in a single direction, and absent any other forces something heavy enough to essentially nullify the effect of air resistance should fall straight down. It went down exactly as the laws of physics dictate it shoud have.

sorry, tipping over sideways seems much more what all of us would have expected to happen in such a case up to 9/10/01

Im not saying Im a truther, just saying you have a little hindsight in your point

[DallasGirl50]

Rosie O'Donnell, who claimed it was not possible for fire to melt steel.

Well, ahem, how do you think they were making it 3000 years ago Rosie? Fire absolutely melts steel - they weren't melting it with frickin' laser beams shooting from the eyes of sharks...


Rosie is one "celebrity" that will say most anything to get herself in the news. She's mentally challenged.

[joseephuss]

sorry, tipping over sideways seems much more what all of us would have expected to happen in such a case up to 9/10/01

Im not saying Im a truther, just saying you have a little hindsight in your point

Who is all of us?

Why would it tip over sideways? And to what extent? In some sense there was some slight tipping that occurred by small portions of each tower; however, the vast majority of the collapse was straight down. And why shouldn't it be? It wasn't as if one complete side of supports was taken out or that the initial plane impacts occurred very low on the building to really change the center of gravity.

As far as hindsight and foresight, there is some foresight that goes into designing such skyscrapers. They try to imagine what happens if the building is faced with catastrophic failure. Designing a building to minimize the chances of any massive tipping over sideways was probably part of that foresight because that would have been the absolute worst case scenario.

[Yeagermeister]

The towers wouldn't have tipped because of the internal support system that ran up through the middle of the buildings. If those supports were not build in to the towers the planes would have cut straight through the buildings.

[Yakuza Rich]

The towers wouldn't have tipped because of the internal support system that ran up through the middle of the buildings. If those supports were not build in to the towers the planes would have cut straight through the buildings.

I was watching a documentary on 9/11 last night and when you see the 2nd plane hit, it looks like it almost cuts straight thru the 2nd tower. How people cannot see that causing the building to collapse by itself boggles my mind.





YR

[DallasGirl50]

Unfortunately we live in a world where there must be a conspiracy attached to almost everything headline making...

people often do look for colors in places where things are very black and white.

that's what happened with 9/11.

[Hostile]

Mendenhall posts clarification about Twitter comments

5/4/2011 12:15:27 PM

Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11124/1144026-100.stm) reports Steelers running back Rashard Mendenhall today posted a clarification on his blog about recent Twitter posts dealing with the death of Osama bin Laden.
He said some of the comments have been misconstrued.

"What kind of person celebrates death? It's amazing how people can HATE a man they have never even heard speak. We've only heard one side..."
In his clarification, Mendenhall said, "First, I want people to understand that I am not in support of Bin Laden, or against the USA. I understand how devastating 9/11 was to this country and to the people whose families were affected."

He said the controversial statement "was something I said in response to the amount of joy I saw in the event of a murder. I don't believe that this is an issue of politics or American pride; but one of religion, morality, and human ethics."

**********************************


Yeah, that is really going to clarify your point Rashard. Moron.

[Joshmvii]

Unfortunately we live in a world where people think "I'm ignorant about science but I think something so I'm going to say it!" is acceptable.

If he had just stopped at "I can't celebrate anybody's death," he would've been alright. It was him not understanding why people hated OBL and saying we've only heard one side that just pushed it over the edge. What a complete idiot.

[The30YardSlant]

sorry, tipping over sideways seems much more what all of us would have expected to happen in such a case up to 9/10/01

Im not saying Im a truther, just saying you have a little hindsight in your point

The majority of Americans do not have a firm grasp of physics or science in general. I don't really care what most people in the country expected to happen, I care what should have happened. There's no "hindsight" in saying that gravity and the central supports dictated that it fall straight down.

[Zaxor]

Heat does not rise. Hot air rises. And that's due to gas laws.

I don't understand what is so hard to get. They flew a fully fueled airliner at top speed into the building. And we can't understand why that caused them to collapse?

I mean what is the alternate hypotheses - that hundreds and hundreds of people participated in a massive conspiracy that was pulled off flawlessly - to what logical end?

You really have to have a serious social disconnect to buy into anything truther ******s are peddling.

Sorry Veng not trying to be dense but what is heat than if it isn't a release of energy...and how is it I can hold a heated steel rod at the bottom and it is not hot and anything above where it is heated is hot....of course the length plays a part but still....maybe I am not explaining it very well ...but anyway I find it much easier to believe that the excess weight crushed the building even though the mass didn't look like it would (again only to my untrained eye) but I can buy into that... and I had no idea till just a few hours ago what the heck a truther was and am still not interested enough into looking for what they may or may not believe...it was my own personal observation but like I stated I have no training in engineering... none... and am only making a very uneducated observation. That is why I asked because I knew someone with more knowledge than I have would chime in and let me know how much I don't know.:)

[Zaxor]

Unfortunately we live in a world where people think "I'm ignorant about science but I think something so I'm going to say it!" is acceptable.

If he had just stopped at "I can't celebrate anybody's death," he would've been alright. It was him not understanding why people hated OBL and saying we've only heard one side that just pushed it over the edge. What a complete idiot.

Josh I am ignorant and that is why I asked..I did not ask to be controversial.

[CaptainAmerica]

I'm just glad this guy isn't a Cowboy trying to defend that moronic tweet.

[Cowboysfan570]

I'm with him on one point: What kind of person celebrates (in the street much less) a death? IIRC we were pretty pissed when some in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere around the world did the same.

He is also correct that we've only heard one side and we're hardly clean-handed when it comes to the effects of our foreign policy (even well prior to 9/11), but I'm not sure what he is trying to prove there. The whole 9/11 plot was still seven magnitudes of ***ed up no matter how ****ed up our foreign policy happens to be.

The conspiracy theory crap grew tiresome years ago.

[Stautner]

I'm with him on one point: What kind of person celebrates (in the street much less) a death? IIRC we were pretty pissed when some in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere around the world did the same.

He is also correct that we've only heard one side and we're hardly clean-handed when it comes to the effects of our foreign policy (even well prior to 9/11), but I'm not sure what he is trying to prove there. The whole 9/11 plot was still seven magnitudes of ***ed up no matter how ****ed up our foreign policy happens to be.

The conspiracy theory crap grew tiresome years ago.

When a death sends a message to people that want to kill me and my friends and family that if they do so I will hunt them down and make them pay, I think it worthy of celebration. It's not vengence that is worthy of celebration, nor the loss of likfe itself, but the message it sends. That message so overwhelms the loss of a violent and evil man who would only continue to be violent and evil that I feel no remorse for celebrating.

[casmith07]

Felix >>>>>>>>>> Rashtard Mendenfail.

[RoyTheHammer]

When a death sends a message to people that want to kill me and my friends and family that if they do so I will hunt them down and make them pay, I think it worthy of celebration. It's not vengence that is worthy of celebration, nor the loss of likfe itself, but the message it sends. That message so overwhelms the loss of a violent and evil man who would only continue to be violent and evil that I feel no remorse for celebrating.

Seems funny to me that all the familes of the victims who were interviewed after we killed bin laden condemned the celebrating. They are the ones who experienced true loss and yet they have a better head on their shoulders about the big picture than most of us.

[baj1dallas]

In some way I think he has a point. People aren't very thoughtful about it. To me it's a reason to reflect, not celebrate. To many people had to die to bring bin Laden to justice.

[Stautner]

Seems funny to me that all the familes of the victims who were interviewed after we killed bin laden condemned the celebrating. They are the ones who experienced true loss and yet they have a better head on their shoulders about the big picture than most of us.

It seems perfectly natural to me. Wouldn't you expect the families of victims to find this bittersweet - after all they don't have the luxury of celebrating something that may help prevent their families from being the victim of terrorism - it's too late for them. The rest of the country has a differnt perspective. To the rest of the country the death of Bin Laden represents hope that terrorism can be defeated and that they wont have to experience the same thing the victims and the families of victims have had to.

[Stautner]

In some way I think he has a point. It should be hard to believe it happened and it should have never happened. But the people charged with protecting this country were never held responsible, and who was it that trained bin Laden in the first place? Bin Laden is responsible for what he did, but what about the people who's job it is to prevent it from happening, not just in the months before, but years?

I have never understood this thinking. Yes, people are charged with protecting the American people from terrorism, but do yuo really think it's possible to prevent everything? How would you go about it? Close the borders - no tourism or intercultural exchange of resources? Install cameras in every room in every building in the country and employ 25 million people to monitor them all? Increase the size of the CIA, FBI, INS, Border Patrols etc by a thousand times? Install monitoring chips in every citizen and everyone who enters the country?

Who do we blame for Columbine? Who do we blame for Oklahoma City? Who do we blame for the bomb at the Atlanta Olympics?

Do we condemn the police because we can't prevent every robbery or murder or assault? Do we condemn the FBI because they can't uncover every Federal crime before it happens? Do we condemn the Department of Transportation because they can't prevent every truck from transporting prohibited goods accrose state lines? Do we condemn the SEC for not preventing every case of insider trading?

Do you think Utopia is possible through law enforcement?

To point the finger at ANYONE other than who perpetrated the act is a load of crap. So no, this is not a point in the discussion, because there is absolutely no evidence that the attacks were able to happen through any misconduct or negligence on the part of any law enforcement or military body charged with protecting the public.

[Yakuza Rich]

Seems funny to me that all the familes of the victims who were interviewed after we killed bin laden condemned the celebrating. They are the ones who experienced true loss and yet they have a better head on their shoulders about the big picture than most of us.

That's BS.

I know families who lost loved ones in 9/11. And most of them were celebrating that Bin Laden was brought to justice.

Don't give me this 'ALL of the families' crap. I know from first hand experience that's not true. In fact, it's mostly the opposite.





YR

[JonJon]

Wait a second?

You mean all the muslims chanting death to Americans in some sandy country is different? How about parading America's fallen through the streets like a piece of meat?

If I had it my way I would have put his head on the end of my spear and mounted it outside the gates of the White House.Exactly. And what about all the people in islamic countries that where celebrating and dancing in the streets when 9/11 happened? Celebrating the death of a murderer of the innocent >>>>> Celebrating the death of the innocent

Seems funny to me that all the familes of the victims who were interviewed after we killed bin laden condemned the celebrating. They are the ones who experienced true loss and yet they have a better head on their shoulders about the big picture than most of us.
That's not what I saw. I saw the families of victims saying they where happy OBL was dead and justice was served, but they where still sad because his death will not bring their lost family members back.

[joseephuss]

That's BS.

I know families who lost loved ones in 9/11. And most of them were celebrating that Bin Laden was brought to justice.

Don't give me this 'ALL of the families' crap. I know from first hand experience that's not true. In fact, it's mostly the opposite.





YR

He did say the families that were interviewed. And I take that to mean the families he happened to see interviewed. It depends on which coverage he was watching. It would be an easy matter for a news group to leave out any families who felt differently in their coverage. Even easier to miss seeing an interview with families reacting differently. There definitely is not a "100% of people feel this way about it" reaction out there.

[BraveHeartFan]

sorry, tipping over sideways seems much more what all of us would have expected to happen in such a case up to 9/10/01

Im not saying Im a truther, just saying you have a little hindsight in your point


Oh you mean you didn't have knowledge of Gravity prior to 9/11?

Well in that case I'm completely sorry. I didn't realise the common knowledge of gravity was only given to some people and not others. In that case I can completely see how people would completely miss how gravity works.

[keds]

I don't think Mendenhall needs to apologize to anyone... when he's not in uniform he can practice his right of free speech whether he's right or wrong...

If you don't like that move to a country where you can't speak freely...

Let's separate the athlete from the person and their right on their private time to express an opinion right or wrong...

If two jets made the twin towers collapse at free fall speed on 9/11 how do you account for a third building, Bldg 7 falling at free fall speed due to small fires...

[Stautner]

That's not what I saw. I saw the families of victims saying they where happy OBL was dead and justice was served, but they where still sad because his death will not bring their lost family members back.

That's what I saw. There may have been some that said something against the celebrating, but I didn't see it.

[Yakuza Rich]

I don't think Mendenhall needs to apologize to anyone... when he's not in uniform he can practice his right of free speech whether he's right or wrong...

If you don't like that move to a country where you can't speak freely...

Let's separate the athlete from the person and their right on their private time to express an opinion right or wrong...

If two jets made the twin towers collapse at free fall speed on 9/11 how do you account for a third building, Bldg 7 falling at free fall speed due to small fires...

:rolleyes:

I think what gets people like myself angry is when Mendenhall says 'What kind of person celebrates death?'

Nobody is demanding that a person celebrate Bin Laden's death.

Nobody.

And nobody is questioning a person who chooses not to celebrate Bin Laden's death

Nobody.

But, Rashard Mendenhall is questioning those who choose to celebrate Bin Laden's death.

To me, that's arrogant and fascist. That's saying that we should have to handle things the way Mendenhall has handled them....or we are ruthless, uncaring animals.

You choose to handle Bin Laden's death your way, I'll handle it my way.







YR

[Ren]

If two jets made the twin towers collapse at free fall speed on 9/11 how do you account for a third building, Bldg 7 falling at free fall speed due to small fires...

The seismic force and shock wave of 2 100+ floor buildings hitting the ground at almost terminal velocity right next to it, fires and debris impacts would do more then enough damage to take down a building.

[keds]

How is the act of questioning someone "arrogant" or "fascist"???... I would think that not questioning and accepting someone's word as fact without examining evidence is "arrogant" and "fascist"...

[keds]

"The seismic force and shock wave of 2 100+ buildings hitting the ground at terminal velocity" is a nice conspiracy theory on your part but the owner of the building Larry Silverman in his own words admitted that the building was "pulled" because he thought the fire could not be contained...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100

[SaltwaterServr]

I don't think Mendenhall needs to apologize to anyone... when he's not in uniform he can practice his right of free speech whether he's right or wrong...

If you don't like that move to a country where you can't speak freely...

Let's separate the athlete from the person and their right on their private time to express an opinion right or wrong...

If two jets made the twin towers collapse at free fall speed on 9/11 how do you account for a third building, Bldg 7 falling at free fall speed due to small fires...

The fact you used "free fall speed" in your post tells me immediately that you don't have anything that could be construed as even a remote grasp of the collapses that occurred.

Gravity is constant.

"Free fall speed". :lmao:

[The30YardSlant]

If two jets made the twin towers collapse at free fall speed on 9/11 how do you account for a third building, Bldg 7 falling at free fall speed due to small fires...

Building 7 falling had very little to do with fires. It was mainly due to the seismic force of two neighboring skyscrapers hitting the ground near terminal velocity. The force of them collapsing alone was more than enough to crush and throw cars hundreds of feet, shatter windows blocks away, and drive the foundation of the twin towers almost 60 feet into the ground. Once you understand that, it isnt difficult to see how such force was enough to weaken the structure. Several other small buildings in the area either collapsed or suffered irreversible structural damage as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100

He's referencing the order to pull all police and firemen out of the building. Take off the tin foil hat. It would be impossible for a controlled demolition to be set up in a half hour.

[keds]

Building seven came down in a free fall because like the owner, Silverstein said, the building was "pulled" ... no building I can think of in recent history imploded into its own footprint from small fires... the Empire State building had a plane crash in it, burned but did not collapse into its own footprint...

[keds]

Silverstein in his interview in his very own words says "we made the decision to pull it and we watched it collapse" ... the building was evacuated long before the collapse...

[keds]

How many other buildings in the area surrounding the twin towers collapsed neatly into their own footprint???

[Ren]

"The seismic force and shock wave of 2 100+ buildings hitting the ground at terminal velocity" is a nice conspiracy theory on your part but the owner of the building Larry Silverman in his own words admitted that the building was "pulled" because he thought the fire could not be contained...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100

It's not a conspiracy theory it's basic physics

[DallasGirl50]

Building 7 falling had very little to do with fires. It was mainly due to the seismic force of two neighboring skyscrapers hitting the ground near terminal velocity. The force of them collapsing alone was more than enough to crush and throw cars hundreds of feet, shatter windows blocks away, and drive the foundation of the twin towers almost 60 feet into the ground. Once you understand that, it isnt difficult to see how such force was enough to weaken the structure. Several other small buildings in the area either collapsed or suffered irreversible structural damage as well.



He's referencing the order to pull all police and firemen out of the building. Take off the tin foil hat. It would be impossible for a controlled demolition to be set up in a half hour.

Great post...

[The30YardSlant]

Building seven came down in a free fall because like the owner, Silverstein said, the building was "pulled" ... no building I can think of in recent history imploded into its own footprint from small fires... the Empire State building had a plane crash in it, burned but did not collapse into its own footprint...

First of all, the plane that hit the Empire State Building was a small twin engined B-25 Mitchell bomber traveling at 200 miles per hour. The planes that hit the twin towers were large commercial jets traveling upwards of 500 miles per hour. The fire in the empire state building was not as hot nor was it nearly as widespread nor did it burn at maximum intensity for as long.

Second, a controlled demolition cannot be set up in a half hour. It cannot be done. Your thery is absolute lunacy.

[The30YardSlant]

How many other buildings in the area surrounding the twin towers collapsed neatly into their own footprint???

Four buildings collapsed, not counting the twin towers

St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church
Marriott World Trade Center
World Trade Center Tower 7
A section of a local shopping strip containing a donut shop and a flower store

[Ren]

Building seven came down in a free fall because like the owner, Silverstein said, the building was "pulled" ... no building I can think of in recent history imploded into its own footprint from small fires... the Empire State building had a plane crash in it, burned but did not collapse into its own footprint...

Most building in that area are steel shells with concrete floors and pillars, concrete is not very flexible compared to steel so that damage would have been much greater in the concrete once that's weakened and starts giving away gravity takes over and it's a force that doesn't work sideways



It's already been explained to you what pulled meant.

The empire state building was not hit by a jumbo jet, it was hit by a WW2 prop plane if you think that's comparable to a modern day jumbo jet then I honestly don't know what to tell you

[skinsscalper]

Building seven came down in a free fall because like the owner, Silverstein said, the building was "pulled" ... no building I can think of in recent history imploded into its own footprint from small fires... the Empire State building had a plane crash in it, burned but did not collapse into its own footprint...


Some people's level of stupidity will never cease to amaze me.

[SaltwaterServr]

I'm reading keds posts, and this song keeps popping into my head.

sTFVMMCwsss

[RoyTheHammer]

Exactly. And what about all the people in islamic countries that where celebrating and dancing in the streets when 9/11 happened? Celebrating the death of a murderer of the innocent >>>>> Celebrating the death of the innocent


That's not what I saw. I saw the families of victims saying they where happy OBL was dead and justice was served, but they where still sad because his death will not bring their lost family members back.

You can be happy that justice was done and not celebrate it by going out into the streets and acting the exact same way that the "terrorists" did after 9/11. If it brings you some satisfaction that the man is gone, i can understand and agree with that. However, running around the streets, waving flags around, shooting guns off, and carrying on like children is ridiculous.

We're a nation of hypocrites..

[SaltwaterServr]

You can be happy that justice was done and not celebrate it by going out into the streets and acting the exact same way that the "terrorists" did after 9/11. If it brings you some satisfaction that the man is gone, i can understand and agree with that. However, running around the streets, waving flags around, shooting guns off, and carrying on like children is ridiculous.

We're a nation of hypocrites..

http://demotivatorsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/4127992813_91c0640808.jpg

[RoyTheHammer]

In some way I think he has a point. People aren't very thoughtful about it. To me it's a reason to reflect, not celebrate. To many people had to die to bring bin Laden to justice.

Well spoken. Also, when you really think about it.. is justice REALLY served by putting a bullet in one man's head? I don't feel that way. Not after all the suffering he caused. Its not as if we beat the terrorists. It will only get worse.. Extremists are out of their minds.. they can't be reasoned with and won't be detered by one man's death and someone even more crazy will come along to take his place.

[The30YardSlant]

We're a nation of hypocrites..

Yes we are. And you know what? We've earned the right to be. We've been policing this planet and kept the world turning for the past 70 years. We have the bigger guns, we have the better country, we make the rules and we decide when we get to break said rules. If someone else does like it, then let them try and do something about it. It didnt work out for Japan, it didnt work out for the Soviets, it didnt work out for Al-Qaeda and it won't work out for the next group of misguided malcontents that tries to **** with us. We're a proud nation that will spare no expense putting others back in their place.

We're top dog, and top dog does what he wants, when he wants and how he wants.

[The30YardSlant]

Extremists are out of their minds.. they can't be reasoned with and won't be detered by one man's death and someone even more crazy will come along to take his place.

All the more reason to shoot every last one them. Besides, they only live to die and go see their 72 virgins. We're just helping them out.

[RoyTheHammer]

All the more reason to shoot every last one them. Besides, they only live to die and go see their 72 virgins. We're just helping them out.

You don't seem to realize.. you can't shoot every last one of them. More are born and raised (aka brainwashed) to be that way everyday. Its a losing battle if we think we can just kill them all and expect to be rid of it. We don't have the resources to keep doing it.

[RoyTheHammer]

Yes we are. And you know what? We've earned the right to be. We've been policing this planet and kept the world turning for the past 70 years. We have the bigger guns, we have the better country, we make the rules and we decide when we get to break said rules. If someone else does like it, then let them try and do something about it. It didnt work out for Japan, it didnt work out for the Soviets, it didnt work out for Al-Qaeda and it won't work out for the next group of misguided malcontents that tries to **** with us. We're a proud nation that will spare no expense putting others back in their place.

We're top dog, and top dog does what he wants, when he wants and how he wants.

..and its people like you that make the world hate us. A little class perhaps?

Oh, and while we've been trying to play "world police", and neglecting our many major issues at home, our economy has gone down the ****ter and our debt is reaching insane levels. We arn't the only superpower anymore. If we continue the route we are going, its only going to get worse. You think prices for gas and healthcare and insurance, etc.. are ridiculous now? Just wait.

We need to stop trying to play world police and overextend ourselves more and more and focus on our issues at home first. We have the money to finance Saddam Hussein and give 25 million in aid to terrorists in Libya and other nations who hate our guts, etc etc.. how about using that money to help our youth get a decent education, or fix up our infrastructure, or lower taxes, or reduce healthcare prices, etc..?

We elect all these damn politicians and pay them ridiculous salaries.. and yet far too often instead of doing their jobs and promoting diplomacy among all nations, they take the lazy and greedy option of just sending more of other families children overseas to die in the name of "democracy" and "right".

[The30YardSlant]

You don't seem to realize.. you can't shoot every last one of them.

We can sure as hell try though

[RoyTheHammer]

We can sure as hell try though

You realize why that's not practical right? How much innocent blood did we spill just trying to get Osama this long? Now you want to try and hunt down ALL terrorists? Even though they multiply every day? I don't know if you're joking or not, but do some reseach on how much money and how many resources it took just to get this far and finally track down Bin Laden.. its quite a wake up call.

[The30YardSlant]

..and its people like you that make the world hate us. A little class perhaps?

Oh, and while we've been trying to play "world police", and neglecting our many major issues at home, our economy has gone down the ****ter and our debt is reaching insane levels. We arn't the only superpower anymore. If we continue the route we are going, its only going to get worse. You think prices for gas and healthcare and insurance, etc.. are ridiculous now? Just wait.

We need to stop trying to play world police and overextend ourselves more and more and focus on our issues at home first. We have the money to finance Saddam Hussein and give 25 million in aid to terrorists in Libya and other nations who hate our guts, etc etc.. how about using that money to help our youth get a decent education, or fix up our infrastructure, or lower taxes, or reduce healthcare prices, etc..?

We elect all these damn politicians and pay them ridiculous salaries.. and yet far too often instead of doing their jobs and promoting diplomacy among the world, they take the lazy and greedy option of just sending more of other families children overseas to die in the name of "democracy" and "right".

Truth be told, I don't give a you know what about what other countries think because deep down they all know that the world is still turning because of us. We are the most generous and most active nation on earth. Nobody else has the spine to stand up to the evils in this world anymore. Europe is full of politically correct pansies who are content with letting Islamic extremists take over that continent. Russia is too busy trying to figure out the free market system to notice anything else. Asia is desperately trying to blow itself up. One out of every three people in Africa has AIDS and the majority have never seen a cell phone. What is this world without us? Nothing. We play world police because there is nobody else to do it, so we take on everyone else's burden in order to keep some semblence of sanity in a world seemingly hell bent on destroying itself.

The rest of the world curses us, and yet know they need us. Those that want us gone are only interested in watching the world burn.

[The30YardSlant]

You realize why that's not practical right? How much innocent blood did we spill just trying to get Osama this long? Now you want to try and hunt down ALL terrorists? Even though they multiply every day? I don't know if you're joking or not, but do some reseach on how much money and how many resources it took just to get this far and finally track down Bin Laden.. its quite a wake up call.

I want those who would oppose our way of life and wish to bring terror to the innocent always know they are potentially seconds away from an American soldier with an M16 and a grudge kicking in their door. I want them to live with that fear. Killing them all is not practical, but reminding them that you can't run from us forever is.

As for the money argument, like I said earlier, money well spent. They must never forget that we will pay any price to deliver justice. Our allies in Europe used to have this same mindset, and then they forget what they once stood for, got lost in being "nice", "logical" and "politically correct"...and look at them now. They couldnt stop a nine year old from setting off a bomb in a town square.

So many people take for granted our way of life and forget that it can all vanish in the blink of an eye.

[RoyTheHammer]

Europe is full of politically correct pansies who are content to let Islamic Extremists take over their continent. Russia is too busy trying to figure out the free market system to notice anything else. Asia is desperately trying to blow itself up. One out of every three people in Africa has AIDS and the majority have never seen a cell phone.

Some of the most ridiculous things i've ever read.. thank you.


The rest of the world curses us, and yet know they need us. Those that want us gone are only interested in watching the world burn.

I don't think the world curses us, we have many allies and many who stick up for us and fight with us. The only real people that i can see legitimately want us gone are Islamic extremists like Al Queda. They are a small group when you look at the big picture. However, we live in the lap of luxury compared to almost anywhere else in the world, and im sure we are perceived as selfish, hypocritical, whiners to alot of countries based on the exposure and news reports that they hear and read. Our society in this country is going down the drain, and respect and class and integrity are things that i wouldn't associate with this country and the majority of our society. This is why i understand why the world can percieve us the way they do, while still being thankful for the help they receive. Its kind of a two headed monster.. while we can be a very generous nation, we are most definately hypocritical and give off that "holier than thou" attitude far too often.

[RoyTheHammer]

I want those who would oppose our way of life and wish to bring terror to the innocent always know they are potentially seconds away from an American soldier with an M16 and a grudge kicking in their door. I want them to live with that fear. Killing them all is not practical, but reminding them that you can't run from us forever is.

As for the money argument, like I said earlier, money well spent. They must never forget that we will pay any price to deliver justice. Our allies in Europe used to have this same mindset, and then they forget what they once stood for, got lost in being "nice", "logical" and "politically correct"...and look at them now. They couldnt stop a nine year old from setting off a bomb in a town square.

So many people take for granted our way of life and forget that it can all vanish in the blink of an eye.

You don't seem to grasp this concept.. but our way of life is vanishing as we speak man. Look at how devalued the dollar has become in the global economy. Look at how ridiculously high prices have become for everything. You talk about how we will pay any price to bring terror to a stop.. well when its never going to completely stop and we are hurting ourselves at home by continuing to try and hunt down this never ending horde of extremists.. that is too high a price my friend.

We don't need to continually wage a war on this small group of extremists. The only time i advocate war with the extremists in when they directly attack us, especially our on our soil. In that case, yes.. bring all those responsible to justice. Every now and then we need to send a message to these people that if you screw with us or our people.. you will get hurt. There's no reason however that we should have gone into Iraq. There's no reason to spend money to go into Libya, etc.. its money and resources that could be much better spent.

The only thing i would do now, is find out what exactly Pakistan knew about Bin Laden and if we find out that they new all along where he was, and they hid it from the world and let us and other nations go on spilling the blood of more innocent people to find him.. they should be made to pay as well. Other than that.. we need to put a stop to this "war on terror". We sent a message. Enough. Now its time to focus on rebuilding at home and fix the many domestic problems that plague us on our own soil.

[The30YardSlant]

Some of the most ridiculous things i've ever read.. thank you.

I don't know why. The world is dark, sad, scary place.


I don't think the world curses us, we have many allies and many who stick up for us and fight with us. The only real people that i can see legitimately want us gone are Islamic extremists like Al Queda. They are a small group when you look at the big picture. However, we live in the lap of luxury compared to almost anywhere else in the world, and im sure we are perceived as selfish, hypocritical, whiners to alot of countries based on the exposure and news reports that they hear and read. Our society in this country is going down the drain, and respect and class and integrity are things that i wouldn't associate with this country and the majority of our society. This is why i understand why the world can percieve us the way they do, while still being thankful for the help they receive. Its kind of a two headed monster.. while we can be a very generous nation, we are most definately hypocritical and give off that "holier than thou" attitude far too often.

We act like we do because we, as a society, have earned it. We've earned our freedom, we've fought and bled many times over for the right to call ourselves America, home of the free. We have opportunities most don't have because brave men gave their lives in defense of a society that, while imperfect, is by by the most functional on earth today. Most countries are unwilling to pay the price we have for our way of life. They sacrifice their rights in the name of fear, they sacrifice their values in the name of being progressive, or they just hate each other so much that they cannot come together on a united front. Sure, we argue and bicker amongst ourselves, but at the end of the day we are all Americans and will help each other when the other guys threaten us.

[RoyTheHammer]

I don't know why. The world is dark, sad, scary place.




We act like we do because we, as a society, have earned it. We've earned our freedom, we've fought and bled many times over for the right to call ourselves America, home of the free. We have opportunities most don't have because brave men gave their lives in defense of a society that, while imperfect, is by by the most functional on earth today. Most countries are unwilling to pay the price we have for our way of life. They sacrifice their rights in the name of fear, they sacrifice their values in the name of being progressive, or they just hate each other so much that they cannot come together on a united front. Sure, we argue and bicker amongst ourselves, but at the end of the day we are all Americans and will help each other when the other guys threaten us.

I don't believe our society is more functional then some of our allies in Britian and France, etc.. and i believe its this thinking that because we have earned our freedom, it gives us some kind of right to be senseless and not think about how we should act towards others and how we would want them to treat us. Yes, we are America.. and we are the most powerful nation in the world, but there's no need to shove that fact down people's throats. Trust me.. its not necessary. People know. :)

[Yakuza Rich]

How is the act of questioning someone "arrogant" or "fascist"???... I would think that not questioning and accepting someone's word as fact without examining evidence is "arrogant" and "fascist"...

You're missing the point.

Mendenhall is questioning a person who would dare celebrate the death of Bin Laden.

His 'truther' thoughts are nonsense to me, but he's free to think that. I think less of 'Truthers' from an intelligence standpoint, but it's not like I haven't had some hair brained ideas in my life.

But, to question somebody like they are not even a human being because they celebrated the death of Bin Laden (who was a fringe human being at best).....arrogant and fascist.

People keep sticking up for Mendenhall because he questions the towers going down, but keep missing the point that he's condemning those who chose to celebrate. I have yet to see somebody who celebrated the death question somebody who chose not to celebrate.




YR

[Yakuza Rich]

There's sections of this world that will always hate us, regardless of what we do. I'd prefer that we had more of a national defense instead of a national offense. I wish we were more like Switzerland. But the reality is that we simply cannot be Switzerland, there's too many people outside our nation that would not allow for it. People with 30YardSlant's attitude have no bearing on why foreign countries and people hate us. It's far, far deeper than that.

I actually understand it on some level. I wouldn't want another country policing us or sticking their nose in our business either. But, the rest of the world has failed to show that it can operate in a civil manner and they don't have an issue with taking our money or food. There's really not much we can do with regards to this.

As far as terrorists go, I'd prefer we go after every one of them. Would you let a murderer go and say 'well, we don't have the resources to get every murderer.' I hope not.

I think we need to treat the Timothy McVeighs of the world like we treat the Bin Ladens of the world. And since countries like Pakistan seemingly don't care to help us, they've forced our hand into handling the situation ourselves. Now, a country like Britain...I have more faith that they can handle terrorists themselves.







YR

[jimmy40]

I guess the idiot believes the whole video of the planes taking out the WTC was nothing more than Hollywood special effects.
are the people that question the JFK assassination any different? That's on video too.

[trickblue]

are the people that question the JFK assassination any different? That's on video too.

Actually it's on film... and there is a difference...

Not taking a side... just sayin'...

[WV Cowboy]

You don't seem to realize.. you can't shoot every last one of them. More are born and raised (aka brainwashed) to be that way everyday. Its a losing battle if we think we can just kill them all and expect to be rid of it. We don't have the resources to keep doing it.

So what is your alternative?

Allow them to continue to grow in numbers?? And hope they don't come back??

I don't like that plan very much.

Listen, I like analogies.

I use the analogy that if there are nests of rattlesnakes in the woods beyond the creek behind my house, ... I can try and kill every snake, and squash every egg, or I can decide that it is "a losing battle if I think I can just kill them all and expect to be rid of it."

Remember, my grandchildren will be playing in my backyard.

So I can fight the difficult battle of trying to kill the snakes, or ignore them and wait for the day one will come and bite my grandchild, .. or fly a plane into a skyscraper, or two.

I can't see how "not trying to kill them all" is even an option.

Plus if they do get here in large numbers, .. all of the resources that we saved by not going after them will be meaningless.

[jimmy40]

Actually it's on film... and there is a difference...

Not taking a side... just sayin'...I started to change it, but didn't think it was worth the effort. being lazy today

[The30YardSlant]

are the people that question the JFK assassination any different? That's on video too.

You can't see who shot Kennedy. You can see commercial airliners flying into the World Trade Center. Not to mention that there is very limited footage of the JFK shooting, every major and minor news network in the western world was showing footage of the twin towers that day.

[joseephuss]

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

[Ren]

I actually understand it on some level. I wouldn't want another country policing us or sticking their nose in our business either. But, the rest of the world has failed to show that it can operate in a civil manner and they don't have an issue with taking our money or food. There's really not much we can do with regards to this.








YR

Quite possibly the most ignorant thing i've read in this thread and that's saying something.

Where i live poverty is almost non existent, things like health care and college is free, cops don't have to carry guns cause violent crime is fairly rare, our annual murder rate is the lowest in the world. The country has 0 debt, the average income is amongst the highest in the world and in most of the country people don't even lock their doors at night. I could go on and on, year in and year out we rank 1st or 2nd in the world for our standard of living.

Pleas explain to me how we've failed to operate in a civilized manner?

[Stautner]

Well spoken. Also, when you really think about it.. is justice REALLY served by putting a bullet in one man's head? I don't feel that way. Not after all the suffering he caused. Its not as if we beat the terrorists. It will only get worse.. Extremists are out of their minds.. they can't be reasoned with and won't be detered by one man's death and someone even more crazy will come along to take his place.

So what's the alternative - sit back, decide we can't do anythnig about it anyway and take whatever they dish out? Bury our head in the sand and hide from the world and accept whatever global decisions others make that affect us bcause we are scared that if we are an active leader in the world others may be mad at us?

Of course killing bin laden doesn't make it end, and in fact its possible there could be a period of increased terrorism as a reactioin to bin laden being killed, but what else is there to do except send the strong message that we aren't going to stand idly by and do nothing? Having an effect on terrorism isn't an overnight process, and unless we are diligent and strong we will always be targets. Bowing out of an active role in international politics is not an option - we can't run and hide - so what do we do?

That said, I can appreciate the sentiment that bin laden's death is more a time for reflection than celebration, but at the same time i can't fault anyone for celebrating the death of someone who has killed and hurt so many American's and who had the ongoing mission of finding ways to do more of the same.

I view it almost the same as if a criminal threatens my family. If the police show up and shoot the guy dead before he can do his harm, I'm going to be thrilled.

[Stautner]

are the people that question the JFK assassination any different? That's on video too.

The one difference is that you can't visually track the bullet with the human eye to see what happened with JFK, but you can visually track the planes as the approach and collide with the World Trade Towers.

Does anyone really believe the planes were incidental to the collapse of the towers and that the real reason they fell was because somebody on the ground took some action that nobody noticed?

[RoyTheHammer]

So what's the alternative - sit back, decide we can't do anythnig about it anyway take whatever they dish out? Bury our head in the sand and hide from the world and accept whatever global decisions otheres make that affect us bcause we are scared that if we are an active leader in the world others may be mad at us?

Of course killing bin laden doesn't make it end, and in fact its possible there could be a period of increased terrorism as a reactioin to bin laden being killed, but what else is there to do except send the strong message that we aren't going to stand idly by and do nothing. Having an effect on terrorism isn't an overnight process, and unless we are diligent and strong we will always be targets. Bowing out of an active role in international politics is not an option - we can't run and hide - so what do we do?

That said, I can appreciate the sentiment that bin laden's death is more a time for reflection than celebration, but at the same time i can't fault anyone for celebrating the death of someone who has killed and hurt so many American's and who had the ongoing mission of finding ways to do more of the same.

I view it almost the same as if a burgler enters my home or threatens my family. If the police show up and shoot the guy dead before he can do his harm, I'm going to be thrilled.

I've already explained what i think should be done. We've sent a message. To continue the war on terror until every last terrorist is dead is an exercise in futility. Every last terrorist will never be dead. We've sent the message that if you plot against innocent people, we will find you and we will kill you. Even that message won't deter extremist lunatics. We have too many problems at home to continue such a silly "war" that we can never win. You send a message every now and then definately, but there's no need to keep spending trillions of dollars every year fighting a war that can't be one. Unfortunately, terrorism will always exist. There has to be more diplomacy to work with the world to cut off its funding and limit its damage, but you can never conquer it completely.

Even now.. with our message just sent, we obviously have a country in Pakistan that we are still calling our "friend" after they hid Bid Laden for 10 years and facilitated the deaths of so many innocent people in the meantime. We still pay them a billion dollars a year in aid and call them our friend, even as they threaten us right now. We arn't intimidating anyone with that policy.

Bowing out of an active role in international politics? Surely not.. we need to be more active in working with all nations to cut off funding and facilitating for terrorism.

[RoyTheHammer]

Quite possibly the most ignorant thing i've read in this thread and that's saying something.

Where i live poverty is almost non existent, things like health care and college is free, cops don't have to carry guns cause violent crime is fairly rare, our annual murder rate is the lowest in the world. The country has 0 debt, the average income is amongst the highest in the world and in most of the country people don't even lock their doors at night. I could go on and on, year in and year out we rank 1st or 2nd in the world for our standard of living.

Pleas explain to me how we've failed to operate in a civilized manner?

:bow:

[The30YardSlant]

Quite possibly the most ignorant thing i've read in this thread and that's saying something.

Where i live poverty is almost non existent, things like health care and college is free, cops don't have to carry guns cause violent crime is fairly rare, our annual murder rate is the lowest in the world. The country has 0 debt, the average income is amongst the highest in the world and in most of the country people don't even lock their doors at night. I could go on and on, year in and year out we rank 1st or 2nd in the world for our standard of living.

Pleas explain to me how we've failed to operate in a civilized manner?

The difference between America and Norway is that it would take about nine minutes to take over Norway if anyone ever chose to do so. Norway exists because other, more powerful countries allow it to exist. You live in peace but always know that you have no power to keep the peace if the need to do so ever arose.

America is "the best" not because we have the lowest crime rate or the highest average standard of living, but because nobody on this earth poses a legitimate threat to our standard of living. Logistically speaking, no one can overthrow America without essentially taking the entire world with it via an all out nuclear war.

So, while we may not all own million dollar homes and live in the lap of luxury, we sleep soundly at night knowing that the only people that get to decide our fate, for worse or for better, are us. Few countries have that luxury, and none to the extent that we do.

This is all ignoring the fact that many countries would not exist today of not for our aid, the United Nations would collapse in six weeks without us, and every major global military operation in the last half century has been decided by what America did.

[Ren]

So military power = being civilized? gotcha

If that's the case then Nazi Germany was one of the most civilized countries ever

[DallasGirl50]

There is no way to compare the American way of life to Norway...I bet the population of the Metroplex is as much as the whole of Norway. OF COURSE it's much easier to give free health care, college and all the perks that are given. The US has what? 310 million?

I am happy that people there live with all the bells and whistles of a good life and we could learn a lesson or two from them but comparisons are futile really.

[The30YardSlant]

So military power = being civilized? gotcha

American may not be the most civilized by certain individual standards, but you are viewing your countries civility within the narrow and isolated scope of what the world is and not what it could be WITHOUT America. Like it or not, we keep a lot of nutjobs and radicals in check with the big stick we carry. Who's to say you would be allowed to live as you do without us? America plays the role of big brother to many nations, standing behind them and reminding others that we've got their back should someone try and disrupt their way of life.

Also, not to detract from Norway's success, but try living like you do after multiplying your population by 60 while simutaneously being forced to babysit the rest of the planet

[Ren]

There is no way to compare the American way of life to Norway...I bet the population of the Metroplex is as much as the whole of Norway. OF COURSE it's much easier to give free health care, college and all the perks that are given. The US has what? 310 million?



Really not trying to compare anything, just asking how we as part of "the rest of the world" have failed to be civilized and giving examples of the opposite

[jimmy40]

You can't see who shot Kennedy. You can see commercial airliners flying into the World Trade Center. Not to mention that there is very limited footage of the JFK shooting, every major and minor news network in the western world was showing footage of the twin towers that day.yes. but people question whether the jets could have caused the buildings to collapse by themselves, they don't believe it just like people don't believe JFK's head could go backwards. same thing even though both have been proven to be true.

[Ren]

American may not be the most civilized by certain individual standards, but you are viewing your countries civility within the narrow and isolated scope of what the world is and not what it could be WITHOUT America. Like it or not, we keep a lot of nutjobs and radicals in check with the big stick we carry. Who's to say you would be allowed to live as you do without us? America plays the role of big brother to many nations, standing behind them and reminding others that we've got their back should someone try and disrupt their way of life.

Also, not to detract from Norway's success, but try living like you do after multiplying your population by 60 while simutaneously being forced to babysit the rest of the planet

Norway has been around far longer then America has existed and managed just fine.

[DallasGirl50]

Really not trying to compare anything, just asking how we as part of "the rest of the world" have failed to be civilized and giving examples of the opposite


Your post read very much this way to me...well we have this free and you don't..we have this going on for us and you don't...I'm not going back and read where anybody would say that part of the world wasn't civilized. That is obviously not the case and as I said I very much think we here in the US could learn valuable lessons from your country. But the scope of this country compared to yours makes so many things just not feasible.

I'll just say I envy you in many ways for your way of life..the lack of crime and all that but I live in the US and things just aren't the same here.

Actually I think it's very cool that the Cowboys have at least one fan in Norway..hopefully more!

[Ren]

Your post read very much this way to me...well we have this free and you don't..we have this going on for us and you don't...I'm not going back and read where anybody would say that part of the world wasn't civilized. That is obviously not the case and as I said I very much think we here in the US could learn valuable lessons from your country. But the scope of this country compared to yours makes so many things just not feasible.

I'll just say I envy you in many ways for your way of life..the lack of crime and all that but I live in the US and things just aren't the same here.

Actually I think it's very cool that the Cowboys have at least one fan in Norway..hopefully more!

That post was a reply to something, if you take it out of context of course it's going to look like that

I'm from Grand Prairie TX originally, that's why i am a Cowboys fan. Football isn't big here at all, trust me there's not many here. I did get a "Cowboys suck" once at the supermarket, that was pretty funny/cool

[DallasGirl50]

That post was a reply to something, if you take it out of context of course it's going to look like that

I'm from Grand Prairie TX originally, that's why i am a Cowboys fan. Football isn't big here at all, trust me there's not many here. I did get a "Cowboys suck" once at the supermarket, that was pretty funny/cool


Long way from Grand Prairie to Norway..I'm glad Jerry doesn't know there is an untapped NFL market to be born in Norway or he'd be moving their training camp there. I thought pro football was somewhat popular over there.

[RoyTheHammer]

Your post read very much this way to me...well we have this free and you don't..we have this going on for us and you don't...I'm not going back and read where anybody would say that part of the world wasn't civilized. That is obviously not the case and as I said I very much think we here in the US could learn valuable lessons from your country. But the scope of this country compared to yours makes so many things just not feasible.

I'll just say I envy you in many ways for your way of life..the lack of crime and all that but I live in the US and things just aren't the same here.

Actually I think it's very cool that the Cowboys have at least one fan in Norway..hopefully more!

His post was in response to an American acting again with a "holier than thou" attitude and implying that we are the most civilized nation there is. Which is a joke btw.

[The30YardSlant]

Norway has been around far longer then America has existed and managed just fine.

That's hardly the point. The world had changed more in the past 200 years than it did in the whole of human history before.

[daschoo]

That's hardly the point. The world had changed more in the past 200 years than it did in the whole of human history before.

attitudes like yours are a large part of why there is a lot of hostility towards america. claiming that america is the best civilisation on the planet based on the fact that if they choose to do so they could wipe out any other is a very bizarre condition. to me the indicators of a civilisation include justice system, how the poorest are treated, foreign policy, education, housing, health care etc not just whether or not they can defeat every other country on the planet. does the fact that china has arguably a stronger, and growing, economy and the man power to bloody the vast majorities of countries noses in combat mean that they are a great civilisation regardless of their human rights record and their ongoing occupation of tibet? would also say that by your reckoning india, pakistan, israel, russia, france, britain, russia and depending on who you believe iran are also great civilisations as they could also cause a nuclear war if anyone tried to overthrow them.
america is a great country that the rest of the world can learn a lot from and be thankful for (despite putting that in bold i'm sure i'll still be accused by some of attacking america) but lets not get carried away and try and claim that i can't sleep at night for worrying that america might choose to allow me to go back to playing with sticks and stones.

[Yeagermeister]

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