TNA Major Breaking News (possible Spoiler)

[zrinkill]

Joanie "Chyna" Laurer is backstage at the TNA iMPACT! tapings in Orlando, FL right now. In a big change of plans from last week, Chyna will be reveled as Kurt Angle's mistress.


Isis the Giant was supposed to be in that role but possibly that has changed.


No link because I do not trust the popups ......

[daschoo]

oh joy

[zrinkill]

oh joy

I guess this thread was not for you.

But you probably knew that before you entered it.

[daschoo]

tna major breaking news isn't for me?
my response was a dig at chyna and what she'll bring to tna not you if thats what you were thinking

[DallasGirl50]

She's about 2 slices short of a loaf..they are about as dumb signing her if they did as they were signing Jeff Hardy.

[big dog cowboy]

Joanie "Chyna" Laurer is backstage at the TNA iMPACT! tapings in Orlando, FL right now. In a big change of plans from last week, Chyna will be reveled as Kurt Angle's mistress.


:lmao:

[BraveHeartFan]

LMFAO!!!!!

Thats HILARIOUS. That's an even bigger waste of time then I thought they'd go with for that stupid role.

Chyna? Really?

I'm sure the TNA Fanboy will try and tell us all how this is going to get people to watch, and bring in people, and blah blah blah.

No one, at all, anywhere, cares about Chyna. This will do NOTHING for TNA and will probably only make people laugh at Kurt Angle.

[Biggems]

LMFAO!!!!!

Thats HILARIOUS. That's an even bigger waste of time then I thought they'd go with for that stupid role.

Chyna? Really?

I'm sure the TNA Fanboy will try and tell us all how this is going to get people to watch, and bring in people, and blah blah blah.

No one, at all, anywhere, cares about Chyna. This will do NOTHING for TNA and will probably only make people laugh at Kurt Angle.

Absolutely Horrible....now Michelle McCool would be a better option, now that she is out of the WWE, based on her match with Layla.

BTW, Karen Angle looked so hot when she first got to TNA...now she looks like an oversized lapdog.

I am curious, are the Angles really divorced or is it just a storyline? I do not really keep up with TNA like I used to. Ever since Hogan, Bischoff, and Flair went there, it has gotten stupid. I miss the old TNA with a bunch of young nobodies just wrestling their butts off.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Absolutely Horrible....now Michelle McCool would be a better option, now that she is out of the WWE, based on her match with Layla.

BTW, Karen Angle looked so hot when she first got to TNA...now she looks like an oversized lapdog.

I am curious, are the Angles really divorced or is it just a storyline? I do not really keep up with TNA like I used to. Ever since Hogan, Bischoff, and Flair went there, it has gotten stupid. I miss the old TNA with a bunch of young nobodies just wrestling their butts off.

Yes they are, and in Vince Russo form Karen Angle in real life is with Jeff Jarrett, because of it Jeff Jarrett was sent home for around 6 months a year or two back as Kurt legitimately wanted to kill him.

So what does Vince Russo do? Make's it an angle. Shows how much of a pro Kurt is.

[Romo 2 Austin]

LMFAO!!!!!

Thats HILARIOUS. That's an even bigger waste of time then I thought they'd go with for that stupid role.

Chyna? Really?

I'm sure the TNA Fanboy will try and tell us all how this is going to get people to watch, and bring in people, and blah blah blah.

No one, at all, anywhere, cares about Chyna. This will do NOTHING for TNA and will probably only make people laugh at Kurt Angle.

I'm more than confident thats a shot at me, and its a terrible move. Only thing I see is Vince Russo booked the Chyna-Jarrett feud back in WWF like a decade ago, so maybe he likes their in ring chemistry or something idk terrible move.

[RoyTheHammer]

LMFAO!!!!!

Thats HILARIOUS. That's an even bigger waste of time then I thought they'd go with for that stupid role.

Chyna? Really?

I'm sure the TNA Fanboy will try and tell us all how this is going to get people to watch, and bring in people, and blah blah blah.

No one, at all, anywhere, cares about Chyna. This will do NOTHING for TNA and will probably only make people laugh at Kurt Angle.

Actually.. Chyna is a big name, that most wrestling fans are familiar with.

Why would it make people laugh at Kurt, btw?

[RoyTheHammer]

I am curious, are the Angles really divorced or is it just a storyline? I do not really keep up with TNA like I used to. Ever since Hogan, Bischoff, and Flair went there, it has gotten stupid. I miss the old TNA with a bunch of young nobodies just wrestling their butts off.

Agreed. Although even back when TNA was better, they still had big names. Jarrett just knew what the people wanted to see. Ever since Dixie took over, and Russo and Hogan, etc.. its gone downhill bigtime.

[DallasGirl50]

Jeff Jarrett and Karen Angle are really married. His first wife died from cancer and he has 2 or 3 very small daughters at the time. I know she has kids herself so I guess they are just like the Brady Bunch now!

She's pretty but so much plastic surgery...after awhile women should know when to quit doing that to themselves (or men too..look at Jerry!)

Chyna is nuts..and she looks like a man. I promise you IF TRUE this is a Jeff Hardy type of signing that will likely implode in their faces.

I guess they want to replace Kong and the stripper gals wrestling ain't doing it for them anymore.

[BraveHeartFan]

I'm more than confident thats a shot at me, and its a terrible move. Only thing I see is Vince Russo booked the Chyna-Jarrett feud back in WWF like a decade ago, so maybe he likes their in ring chemistry or something idk terrible move.

I'm so proud of you. :)


Actually.. Chyna is a big name, that most wrestling fans are familiar with.

Why would it make people laugh at Kurt, btw?

Because it's Chyna....and she's a giant JOKE. The only wrestling fans that still remember her are the ones like us who find her nothing more than a joke.

This isn't a good move for Kurt or TNA.

[DallasGirl50]

Jericho had some nasty things to say about her in his newest book..he had to work a program with her and she was awful to work with. He said half the time she would ignore him when he went to talk to her about their program....I think he said he would quit before he would ever work with her again. Druggie.

She's a fruit loop.

[BraveHeartFan]

Agreed. Although even back when TNA was better, they still had big names. Jarrett just knew what the people wanted to see. Ever since Dixie took over, and Russo and Hogan, etc.. its gone downhill bigtime.

I agree with this completely.


Jeff Jarrett and Karen Angle are really married. His first wife died from cancer and he has 2 or 3 very small daughters at the time. I know she has kids herself so I guess they are just like the Brady Bunch now!

She's pretty but so much plastic surgery...after awhile women should know when to quit doing that to themselves (or men too..look at Jerry!)

Chyna is nuts..and she looks like a man. I promise you IF TRUE this is a Jeff Hardy type of signing that will likely implode in their faces.

I guess they want to replace Kong and the stripper gals wrestling ain't doing it for them anymore.

Agreed. This will be WORSE than Hardy actually because A) Hardy was not only known, but popular, to todays wrestling fans when he got here and Chyna really won't be and B) She's even worse off with the drugs than he is.


Jericho had some nasty things to say about her in his newest book..he had to work a program with her and she was awful to work with. He said half the time she would ignore him when he went to talk to her about their program....I think he said he would quit before he would ever work with her again. Druggie.

She's a fruit loop.

Yeah I've heard Jericho isn't overly impressed with working with her.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Jericho had some nasty things to say about her in his newest book..he had to work a program with her and she was awful to work with. He said half the time she would ignore him when he went to talk to her about their program....I think he said he would quit before he would ever work with her again. Druggie.

She's a fruit loop.

I just read that chapter today lol

[Corleone]

lol TNA

[RoyTheHammer]

I'm so proud of you. :)




Because it's Chyna....and she's a giant JOKE. The only wrestling fans that still remember her are the ones like us who find her nothing more than a joke.

This isn't a good move for Kurt or TNA.

You realize she's not actually WITH Angle right? lol

..and we all have our opinions, but i personally think its a good move actually. As long as she's still in decent shape. She got a HUGE pop when she came out supposedly, so that's a good start right there.

If nothing else, TNA basically traded Kong for Chyna. Good trade imo. Kong has no mic skills whatsoever so its hard to keep any kind of storyline going with her. She had an impressive debut for WWE no doubt, but what is she going to do once they get beyond that "come out, laugh, stalk a blonde in the ring, and put your finisher on her, then leave" stuff? There just isn't much room to grow a compelling storyline with Kong. Again, im aware not everyone agrees, but i like it.

[Romo 2 Austin]

You realize she's not actually WITH Angle right? lol

..and we all have our opinions, but i personally think its a good move actually. As long as she's still in decent shape. She got a HUGE pop when she came out supposedly, so that's a good start right there.

If nothing else, TNA basically traded Kong for Chyna. Good trade imo. Kong has no mic skills whatsoever so its hard to keep any kind of storyline going with her. She had an impressive debut for WWE no doubt, but what is she going to do once they get beyond that "come out, laugh, stalk a blonde in the ring, and put your finisher on her, then leave" stuff? There just isn't much room to grow a compelling storyline with Kong. Again, im aware not everyone agrees, but i like it.
Kong-Kim in TNA was the best female feud since WWE had a thriving division with Stratus, Lita, Holly, Chyna, Sable, Wilson etc;.

Kong is an amazing in ring worker for a woman/person of her size. She can work with nearly anyone, and Beth Pheonix-Kong will be a good feud

[DallasGirl50]

I gotta admit..I don't watch all the bimbo blonde stripper diva match stuff..that's eye candy for you men and I could care less but I watched Kong.

She's somebody different and I don't care if she ever gets on the mic. I don't want to hear that anyway...

She looks like she could kick a few guy's butts!

[Corleone]

Chyna is a beast, she can definitely hang with the guys, the Divas were like dolls when she was throwing them around.

[RoyTheHammer]

Chyna is a beast, she can definitely hang with the guys, the Divas were like dolls when she was throwing them around.

Yup.. Chyna = Kong.. only with a personality and mic skills imo.

Some say she can't work a good match, but as far as women go, its not really important that she be a great in ring performer. Just that she can carry a storyline and make it look good. And i have much more faith in her to do that then Kong. Again, she already got a huge pop from her first appearance so don't think people have forgotten about her at all. Lets see how it plays out i guess.. and how Russo and his dream team of idiots can ruin this too.

[Corleone]

Chyna was a lot better than Kong in my opinion, Kong is just a very large woman who is actually decent with her crazy gimmicks but not very good to watch. The 9th wonder in the world, Chyna, was entertaining from what I can remember but it seems like shes up there in age right? TNA is resurrecting all kinds of people these days. Yup the women wrestlers don't have be great, just decent because even if they are good the company doesn't care about it for the most part. Lita, Trish, Gail Kim and Victoria were actually talented wrestlers and made the womens division entertaining but now its...yeah lol but I'm really not familiar with TNA anymore.

[RoyTheHammer]

Chyna was a lot better than Kong in my opinion, Kong is just a very large woman who is actually decent with her crazy gimmicks but not very good to watch. The 9th wonder in the world, Chyna, was entertaining from what I can remember but it seems like shes up there in age right? TNA is resurrecting all kinds of people these days. Yup the women wrestlers don't have be great, just decent because even if they are good the company doesn't care about it for the most part. Lita, Trish, Gail Kim and Victoria were actually talented wrestlers and made the womens division entertaining but now its...yeah lol but I'm really not familiar with TNA anymore.

I'll bring you up to date. Talented roster.. terrible writers and bookers. Guys are being wasted so badly right now. Kind of the same as WWE, although their writing is maybe a tad bit better. Not much though. Neither organization can keep me entertained for very long right now. Its definately not like the golden days of the Attitude Era.

[BraveHeartFan]

You realize she's not actually WITH Angle right? lol

..and we all have our opinions, but i personally think its a good move actually. As long as she's still in decent shape. She got a HUGE pop when she came out supposedly, so that's a good start right there.

If nothing else, TNA basically traded Kong for Chyna. Good trade imo. Kong has no mic skills whatsoever so its hard to keep any kind of storyline going with her. She had an impressive debut for WWE no doubt, but what is she going to do once they get beyond that "come out, laugh, stalk a blonde in the ring, and put your finisher on her, then leave" stuff? There just isn't much room to grow a compelling storyline with Kong. Again, im aware not everyone agrees, but i like it.

Yes I know they're not really together and that's not why he'll be laughed at but to each their own.

And for someone who complains alot about boring things, and crappy mic work, to even hint that Chyna has any mic skills is silly beyond belief. She's incredibly boring, and lame, on the mic and the ONLY times she was ever even remotely able to look somewhat entertaining was when they had her with DX (HBK and HHH - not the DX after that), and with Eddie G.

Chyna is a wreck and IMO I'll say that TNA absolutely downgraded from Kong to her. In fact to me it's not even close cause the whole Kong thing of not talking, laughing, and beating a woman up would be 110 times better than anything you can do with drugged out of her head Chyna. Even if they ran the Kong thing into the ground and kept doing it for 3 years straight it would be more entertaining than anything you get from Chyna.

She always has been and always will be a complete joke.

[big dog cowboy]

Born Joan Marie Laurer; December 27, 1970.

TNA needed to bring in a ex-Celebrity Rehab 40 year old Chyna now?

[BraveHeartFan]

Born Joan Marie Laurer; December 27, 1970.

TNA needed to bring in a ex-Celebrity Rehab 40 year old Chyna now?


The woman is so 'over' in the wrestling world, and the world in general, that she's not only been on one has been celebrity show (Celebrity Rehab) but TWO!

She also did a season of the short lived Surreal Life. you know that show. The one that had such amazing people like Vanilla Ice, Ron Jeremy, and Brat on it.

[big dog cowboy]

The woman is so 'over' in the wrestling world, and the world in general, that she's not only been on one has been celebrity show (Celebrity Rehab) but TWO!

She also did a season of the short lived Surreal Life. you know that show. The one that had such amazing people like Vanilla Ice, Ron Jeremy, and Brat on it.
Forgot about that one.

[Yeagermeister]

Forgot about that one.

It is an easy one to forget :laugh2:

[RoyTheHammer]

Coming back to this, as i said before about this being a no risk, high reward move for TNA, its been reported that there have been no problems with Chyna so far and she's also mellowed out in how she interacts with other wrestlers/divas from her time with WWE. She also got a huge pop in her first appearance, and reportedly Vince is extremely pissed that she signed with TNA as he wanted to offer her a WWE HoF deal.

She definitely has pull in the wrestling world and wrestling fans everywhere know who Chyna is. Nothing about it screams bad move by TNA at all.

[big dog cowboy]

Nothing about it screams bad move by TNA at all.

I was thinking this is closer to the truth...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/cowboyszone/thread_stuff/panic_button.jpg

[RoyTheHammer]

I was thinking this is closer to the truth...



How could you possibly see this as a panic move when she doesn't even have an official contract with the company? They are paying her by appearance at this point, so if something goes wrong.. boom. They cut ties.

Again, its as close to a no risk, high reward deal as you will find. Solid move to draw attention to the brand, while still being able to cut her lose anytime if she fudges up. You people that don't see this have to either be biased or blind.

[big dog cowboy]

They are paying her by appearance at this point, so if something goes wrong.. boom. They cut ties.

That is true and I agree.

[BraveHeartFan]

I really don't see how high the reward could be. Even with people knowing her what do you think the long term draw is? I mean seriously.

Do you really think there are wrestling fans sitting around saying..."Oh hell guys TNA got Chyna! DAMN! Lets watch them every week."

This isn't like getting Kurt Angle or even bringing in a way past his prime, and usefullness, Hulk Hogan.

it's a female wrestler. A side show attraction. It's good for a very short term pop, and some people tuning in to see if she's still messed up, and then it will quickly fade out and die and will bring absolutely nothing to TNA in the long run.

You're acting like TNA brought in Stone Cold or The Rock or HBK and this is going to be some mega amazing move to TNA if it works out.

It's not. Even if she works out, doesn't screw up, and is there for 2 or 3 years she isn't going to do anything for their over all ratings, their product, and I doubt, very seriously, that outside a very small handful of wrestling fans that she's going to draw them a whole bunch more people tuning into their product cause she's on it.

[RoyTheHammer]

I really don't see how high the reward could be. Even with people knowing her what do you think the long term draw is? I mean seriously.

Do you really think there are wrestling fans sitting around saying..."Oh hell guys TNA got Chyna! DAMN! Lets watch them every week."

This isn't like getting Kurt Angle or even bringing in a way past his prime, and usefullness, Hulk Hogan.

it's a female wrestler. A side show attraction. It's good for a very short term pop, and some people tuning in to see if she's still messed up, and then it will quickly fade out and die and will bring absolutely nothing to TNA in the long run.

You're acting like TNA brought in Stone Cold or The Rock or HBK and this is going to be some mega amazing move to TNA if it works out.

It's not. Even if she works out, doesn't screw up, and is there for 2 or 3 years she isn't going to do anything for their over all ratings, their product, and I doubt, very seriously, that outside a very small handful of wrestling fans that she's going to draw them a whole bunch more people tuning into their product cause she's on it.

It doesn't matter if she stays there long term or not. All that matters is alot of people know Chyna. All that needs to happen for her to be a success is people hear Chyna.. they recognize who it is.. and they hear she is in TNA.

Boom. That's all you need. Just to draw attention to your brand by using a name that is recognizable throughout the wrestling world. If she messes up, she's gone. Its that simple.

Speaking of Kong.. she's already drawing heat backstage for reportedly being "stiff" with some of the talent and apparently she already injured one of the divas as well. Take it for what its worth.. but while being a force, she just doesn't have much personality or ability to carry a storyline. What will they do when they run out of barbie doll divas to just come out and put her finisher on every week?

[DallasGirl50]

[QUOTE=BraveHeartFan;3947549]I really don't see how high the reward could be. Even with people knowing her what do you think the long term draw is? I mean seriously.

Do you really think there are wrestling fans sitting around saying..."Oh hell guys TNA got Chyna! DAMN! Lets watch them every week."

This isn't like getting Kurt Angle or even bringing in a way past his prime, and usefullness, Hulk Hogan.

it's a female wrestler. A side show attraction. It's good for a very short term pop, and some people tuning in to see if she's still messed up, and then it will quickly fade out and die and will bring absolutely nothing to TNA in the long run.

You're acting like TNA brought in Stone Cold or The Rock or HBK and this is going to be some mega amazing move to TNA if it works out.

It's not. Even if she works out, doesn't screw up, and is there for 2 or 3 years she isn't going to do anything for their over all ratings, their product, and I doubt, very seriously, that outside a very small handful. I don't know anybody that cares a whit about Chyna in or out of the ring.

[Yeagermeister]

I really don't see how high the reward could be. Even with people knowing her what do you think the long term draw is? I mean seriously.

Do you really think there are wrestling fans sitting around saying..."Oh hell guys TNA got Chyna! DAMN! Lets watch them every week."

This isn't like getting Kurt Angle or even bringing in a way past his prime, and usefullness, Hulk Hogan.

it's a female wrestler. A side show attraction. It's good for a very short term pop, and some people tuning in to see if she's still messed up, and then it will quickly fade out and die and will bring absolutely nothing to TNA in the long run.

You're acting like TNA brought in Stone Cold or The Rock or HBK and this is going to be some mega amazing move to TNA if it works out.

It's not. Even if she works out, doesn't screw up, and is there for 2 or 3 years she isn't going to do anything for their over all ratings, their product, and I doubt, very seriously, that outside a very small handful of wrestling fans that she's going to draw them a whole bunch more people tuning into their product cause she's on it.

It's another attempt to boost the ratings just like signing Flair and Hogan. That's all and I highly doubt it will be a boost other than the first week because Chyna wasn't exactly the biggest draw at the height of her popularity in the WWE.

[BraveHeartFan]

It's another attempt to boost the ratings just like signing Flair and Hogan. That's all and I highly doubt it will be a boost other than the first week because Chyna wasn't exactly the biggest draw at the height of her popularity in the WWE.


That's my point.

It's nothing more than a couple of weeks of very slight ratings boost and then it will be nothing.

I mean they had Hogan and it only boosted the ratings a little bit, and for only a few weeks, and then the ratings settled back down to where they're at now and haven't improved.

Chyna is MUCH less of a draw than Hogan, or Flair, and so her impact to the ratings will be even less significant and will last even less time.

It's a waste of time and effort on their part to even use something that useless.

[big dog cowboy]

Chyna is MUCH less of a draw than Hogan, or Flair, and so her impact to the ratings will be even less significant and will last even less time.

It's a waste of time and effort on their part to even use something that useless.

Hence my use of the panic button.

[RoyTheHammer]

[quote=BraveHeartFan;3947549]I really don't see how high the reward could be. Even with people knowing her what do you think the long term draw is? I mean seriously.

Do you really think there are wrestling fans sitting around saying..."Oh hell guys TNA got Chyna! DAMN! Lets watch them every week."

This isn't like getting Kurt Angle or even bringing in a way past his prime, and usefullness, Hulk Hogan.

it's a female wrestler. A side show attraction. It's good for a very short term pop, and some people tuning in to see if she's still messed up, and then it will quickly fade out and die and will bring absolutely nothing to TNA in the long run.

You're acting like TNA brought in Stone Cold or The Rock or HBK and this is going to be some mega amazing move to TNA if it works out.

It's not. Even if she works out, doesn't screw up, and is there for 2 or 3 years she isn't going to do anything for their over all ratings, their product, and I doubt, very seriously, that outside a very small handful. I don't know anybody that cares a whit about Chyna in or out of the ring.

You guys still arn't quite getting the point. In its most basic form.. its quick and cheap marketing of the TNA brand. People who are wrestling fans, but may not know of TNA or that they do a weekly show might hear the name Chyna, and that she's on TNA wrestling now, and it might convince them to check it out or tune in.

Like i said before.. right there, they've already done their job. Even if she's only around for a few weeks. Its taking a name that is synonymous with wrestling in a very popular era and relating it to your brand that you are trying to get out there to the masses. She doesn't have to draw long term for it to be effective marketing.

[BraveHeartFan]

I'd be seriously surprised, maybe even shocked is the better word, if someone as an actual wrestling fan and had never heard of the only other major brand, outside of WWE, before Chyna got signed there.

The casual fan, who doesn't really care enough about wrestling to keep up with anything, from any company, anyway might not have heard of them but that's about it.

In this day an age with the internet, wrestling forums, magazines, and so on and so forth it's extremely doubtful that there are any actual wrestling fans, that a company would be fighting for their attention, that hasn't at least heard of and/or seen TNA.

[RoyTheHammer]

I'd be seriously surprised, maybe even shocked is the better word, if someone as an actual wrestling fan and had never heard of the only other major brand, outside of WWE, before Chyna got signed there.

The casual fan, who doesn't really care enough about wrestling to keep up with anything, from any company, anyway might not have heard of them but that's about it.

In this day an age with the internet, wrestling forums, magazines, and so on and so forth it's extremely doubtful that there are any actual wrestling fans, that a company would be fighting for their attention, that hasn't at least heard of and/or seen TNA.

I feel like there are alot more casual wrestling fans than you think. Just because those of us that talk about it on here are all into each company and know who they have and follow the spoilers and reports online doesn't mean a majority of the fans are that way. I think there are many more casual wrestling fans that could be drawn based on hearing a big name associated with a rival company than there are hardcore fans who have known about it for weeks already and have seen the video and heard about the reaction, etc..

[zrinkill]

I liked Chyna in WWE.

She looks really bad now.

Loved the whole Latino heat angle with Eddie.

cL4lUwYWnsw

[Yeagermeister]

I liked Chyna in WWE.

She looks really bad now.

Loved the whole Latino heat angle with Eddie.

cL4lUwYWnsw

MAMACITA!!!!

[RoyTheHammer]

I liked Chyna in WWE.

She looks really bad now.

Loved the whole Latino heat angle with Eddie.


Chyna in DX was the shiznit.

[DFWJC]

Could someone move this over to the "Off-Topic Forum" forum.
Someone accidently misplaced it in the Sports Forum :)

[zrinkill]

Could someone move this over to the "Off-Topic Forum" forum.
Someone accidentally misplaced it in the Sports Forum :)

No

But you are welcome to move your post there.

[daschoo]

Could someone move this over to the "Off-Topic Forum" forum.
Someone accidently misplaced it in the Sports Forum :)

one of these days we'll get a wrestling thread without some smartarse making that joke, won't hold my breath though

[DFWJC]

one of these days we'll get a wrestling thread without some smartarse making that joke, won't hold my breath though
Good idea to not hold your breath on that one....so agreed. ;)

I bet if they had a comic book or super hero forum, this would be perfect for that.:D

Okay, okay....If it helps, I'll agree to not make any more harmless jokes (though that was my 1st) on behalf of these threads.

So no more. Promise.
I just didn't realize people were so sensitive about this stuff.

[BraveHeartFan]

I feel like there are alot more casual wrestling fans than you think. Just because those of us that talk about it on here are all into each company and know who they have and follow the spoilers and reports online doesn't mean a majority of the fans are that way. I think there are many more casual wrestling fans that could be drawn based on hearing a big name associated with a rival company than there are hardcore fans who have known about it for weeks already and have seen the video and heard about the reaction, etc..

Oh I agree with that idea on casual wrestling fans. Probably lots of them. I'm just not sure I see how having a bigger name is going to really draw a whole lot of casual fans into much of anything.

I mean if you look at the track record for TNA in that it hasn't exactly been plentiful. They brought in Hogan (Arguably the most well known name in wrestling history) and the ratings boost was minor, at best, for a very brief period and then...nothing really.

So I don't see how Chyna, who is no where near the name of someone like Hogan and hasn't even been a name in wrestling, in any fashion, in like 8 years is going to draw them in any better.

in fact I wouldn't be shocked, in the least, if more people reconize her as the has been celebrity from Celebrity Rehab or Surreal Life then the has been, spare part, of DX from over a decade ago.


Could someone move this over to the "Off-Topic Forum" forum.
Someone accidently misplaced it in the Sports Forum :)

That's awesome man. That joke has NEVER been used before. Excellent.

[RoyTheHammer]

No

But you are welcome to move your post there.

:muttley:

[RoyTheHammer]

Oh I agree with that idea on casual wrestling fans. Probably lots of them. I'm just not sure I see how having a bigger name is going to really draw a whole lot of casual fans into much of anything.

I mean if you look at the track record for TNA in that it hasn't exactly been plentiful. They brought in Hogan (Arguably the most well known name in wrestling history) and the ratings boost was minor, at best, for a very brief period and then...nothing really.

So I don't see how Chyna, who is no where near the name of someone like Hogan and hasn't even been a name in wrestling, in any fashion, in like 8 years is going to draw them in any better.

in fact I wouldn't be shocked, in the least, if more people reconize her as the has been celebrity from Celebrity Rehab or Surreal Life then the has been, spare part, of DX from over a decade ago.




That's awesome man. That joke has NEVER been used before. Excellent.

Idk.. i think TNA put themselves on the map by bringing in big names like Nash, and Steiner, and Hardy (the first time), and Scott Hall and Syxx Pac, and of course Jarrett. This was like 5 or 6 years ago though, before Hogan. When they brought in the big names AND had good booking and storylines going when Jarrett ran things.. that pretty much put them on the map and got people's attention.

Now since Hogan and co. have come on but the booking and storylines have been far worse, not many more people have paid attention, but they are still growing as a company at least. Their ratings arn't that far behind Smackdown's. I think TNA does around 1.3, while smackdown is up around 1.9 i believe. That's not too shabby. They have the talent, just need to get some new blood in there in the creative dept.

[BraveHeartFan]

Idk.. i think TNA put themselves on the map by bringing in big names like Nash, and Steiner, and Hardy (the first time), and Scott Hall and Syxx Pac, and of course Jarrett. This was like 5 or 6 years ago though, before Hogan. When they brought in the big names AND had good booking and storylines going when Jarrett ran things.. that pretty much put them on the map and got people's attention.

Now since Hogan and co. have come on but the booking and storylines have been far worse, not many more people have paid attention, but they are still growing as a company at least. Their ratings arn't that far behind Smackdown's. I think TNA does around 1.3, while smackdown is up around 1.9 i believe. That's not too shabby. They have the talent, just need to get some new blood in there in the creative dept.

I agree. They put themselves on the map back then. 5 or 6 years ago they really had my attention. I thought they were on the right path to being a real threat.

Then they screwed it up, IMO, and it's just never been as good.

[DallasGirl50]

I agree. They put themselves on the map back then. 5 or 6 years ago they really had my attention. I thought they were on the right path to being a real threat.

Then they screwed it up, IMO, and it's just never been as good.

well it doesn't help when you put Angle...who is the best wrestler there...in a silly story with his ex-wife & her new hubby. It's almost as silly as the Cole/Lawler stuff. Almost.

[BraveHeartFan]

well it doesn't help when you put Angle...who is the best wrestler there...in a silly story with his ex-wife & her new hubby. It's almost as silly as the Cole/Lawler stuff. Almost.


It's at least every bit as silly as when they put Edge and Matt Hardy in the same type of feud involving Lita. It was stupid then, it's stupid now.

Hell it was stupid back when they'd do it with Macho Man and Elizabeth, or Jake Roberts and Rick Rude.

It's easily one of the dumbest angles of all time and it's never entertaining. It's even less entertaining when you know there is some real life blood behind it, like with Angle and Jarrett and Edge and Hardy.

[zrinkill]

Recap of Kurt Angle's appearance on the Busted Open satellite radio show on Sirius 92 and XM 207.

On Chyna’s debut: “She looked good. She looked healthy too. You know what, even though we only had 1,400 people there, the response that just came from those fans sent a big message to Hulk Hogan and Dixie Carter, and myself as well, that Chyna will always be a huge name. It was cool because when they introduced her…people were like ‘holy, no way. Chyna. She’s coming. Oh my God,’ and then she came out and she looked good. It was like, she is back. It was one of the feel-good moments for Impact Wrestling.



:laugh2:

[DallasGirl50]

It's at least every bit as silly as when they put Edge and Matt Hardy in the same type of feud involving Lita. It was stupid then, it's stupid now.

Hell it was stupid back when they'd do it with Macho Man and Elizabeth, or Jake Roberts and Rick Rude.

It's easily one of the dumbest angles of all time and it's never entertaining. It's even less entertaining when you know there is some real life blood behind it, like with Angle and Jarrett and Edge and Hardy.

yea it was silly with Edge & Lita & Matt but at least Lita was a wrestler. Karen looks like she would croak if she broke a nail. I guess Jeff wants her working with him though.

[DallasGirl50]

For any of you guys that were fans of them there is a new book out on the Road Warriors. I saw it @ my local library....I believe it was written by the surviving RW.

[Ren]

well it doesn't help when you put Angle...who is the best wrestler there...in a silly story with his ex-wife & her new hubby. It's almost as silly as the Cole/Lawler stuff. Almost.

I don't care what anyone says, Cole in bubble wrap was funny as hell :laugh2:

I agree that the feud is lame, this should have been over and forgotten after WM. No idea who thought it was a good idea to cram this on an additional 2 PPVs though.

[RoyTheHammer]

Chyna has gotten nothing but huge pops in her first two shows, the Impact debut and the Sacrifice PPV now. She used a Pedigree to take out Karen Angle during their match on the PPV too, pretty sweet haha.

I have to say i hate the storyline, but it was fun seeing Chyna in the ring again. She looks good, not the junkie that she looked like a couple years ago. Nothing wrong with the addition yet imo.. and she's still working on an appearance to appearance deal.. so no risk involved either. So far, so good.

[zrinkill]

She looks good, not the junkie that she looked like a couple years ago.

I like Chyna ...... but I do not agree.

She looks like a shell of her former self.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/zrinkill/chyna-wwf-.jpg

VS

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/zrinkill/chyna.jpg

[DallasGirl50]

I like Chyna ...... but I do not agree.

She looks like a shell of her former self.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/zrinkill/chyna-wwf-.jpg

VS

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/zrinkill/chyna.jpg

She's always looked like a drag queen to me...

[BraveHeartFan]

She's always been ugly. nothing she can do about that. But at least she doesn't look drugged out of her mind like she did the last several times I've seen her.

[RoyTheHammer]

I like Chyna ...... but I do not agree.

She looks like a shell of her former self.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/zrinkill/chyna.jpg)

Dude, she's over 10 years older than that first picture you have there. The comparison is flawed to begin with. Get a picture of her from a couple years ago and compare it to what she looks like now, and tell me she doesn't look good. Obviously she isn't going to look the same as she did when she was a full time power lifter and bodybuilder.

For her age, she looks great right now. She's still got strength and power and she looks to be in pretty darn good shape.

[DallasGirl50]

She's always been ugly. nothing she can do about that. But at least she doesn't look drugged out of her mind like she did the last several times I've seen her.

I've seen her several times up close at live shows...WWE days of couse....she had more muscles than most men. Nothing feminine about her at all & she treated the fans asking for autographs & pics like crap. She was extremely rude.

[RoyTheHammer]

I've seen her several times up close at live shows...WWE days of couse....she had more muscles than most men. Nothing feminine about her at all & she treated the fans asking for autographs & pics like crap. She was extremely rude.

She was most likely on steriods to be honest.. but she has reportedly mellowed out since then and all the TNA employees were said to be very impressed in how she treated everyone and the care she took in her match in making sure everyone was comfortable and on the same page with what they were going to do out there.

[BraveHeartFan]

I hope it works out for her. I do. She seems to want to be in wrestling, or need to be in it, but I wish her the best.

However I'll wait a while before I take what the employees say there right now. Of course she's taking care, and being cool, at the moment cause she just got in. It would be insanely stupid to come in and be a dumb *** right out the gate when you're trying to get back into the things.

I hope she's gotten past her demons and being back in the business, and around the temptations, doesn't cause her to pull a Jeff Hardy.


It's good to know that the PPV crowd was popping for her (I don't know where it was at or how many they had there or anything) but I don't really consider getting a 'big' pop from the 1400 at an IMPACT show to be much of an accomplishment.

The fact that the PPV crowd popped, assuming it was a big crowd, is impressive.

[DallasGirl50]

She was most likely on steriods to be honest.. but she has reportedly mellowed out since then and all the TNA employees were said to be very impressed in how she treated everyone and the care she took in her match in making sure everyone was comfortable and on the same page with what they were going to do out there.

Well in terms of personal behavior & treatment towards others...from what I personally witnessed there was only one way to go & that was up. I am just glad I never spent money to see her specificially. I meet some that did & she treated them like crap. Karma kicked her butt though...hopefully she learned some manners. She's definitely an imposing person.

[RoyTheHammer]

Well in terms of personal behavior & treatment towards others...from what I personally witnessed there was only one way to go & that was up. I am just glad I never spent money to see her specificially. I meet some that did & she treated them like crap. Karma kicked her butt though...hopefully she learned some manners. She's definitely an imposing person.

Roid rage will cause a person to not treat people as nicely as you could.

[BraveHeartFan]

Roid rage will cause a person to not treat people as nicely as you could.


Very true.

But she's also not the only person whose been known to be a complete piece of garbage toward fans and such and they're not all given a pass cause they were roiding or using other drugs.

If you're a dick to the people who help make your living then you're just flat stupid. Don't care what you're using that helps cause you to act that way, you made the choice to use those things, so it's still on you.

One of the really big reasons I was never a huge fan of Bret Hart was that he was passed off, and even carried himself, as this guy who absolutely loved his fans and all that. I've been told by quite a few people I know, and read in several books, that he was actually one of the biggest jerks there was when it came to fans.

I never much cared for his character anyway, though I thought he was a fantastic wrestler and did great ring work, but those stories certainly didn't help endear him to me any.

[DallasGirl50]

Very true.

But she's also not the only person whose been known to be a complete piece of garbage toward fans and such and they're not all given a pass cause they were roiding or using other drugs.

If you're a dick to the people who help make your living then you're just flat stupid. Don't care what you're using that helps cause you to act that way, you made the choice to use those things, so it's still on you.

One of the really big reasons I was never a huge fan of Bret Hart was that he was passed off, and even carried himself, as this guy who absolutely loved his fans and all that. I've been told by quite a few people I know, and read in several books, that he was actually one of the biggest jerks there was when it came to fans.

I never much cared for his character anyway, though I thought he was a fantastic wrestler and did great ring work, but those stories certainly didn't help endear him to me any.

i have a friend who is a uber fan of Bret's & he was always really nice to her..he saw her at so many shows he knew her by name after awhile....but she is one person & I don't really know how he was in general to fans. One who is very nice always is Big Show. He's great with kids.

[big dog cowboy]

One who is very nice always is Big Show. He's great with kids.
I know that is true. He was recruited to come play college basketball in my hometown. So I've seen him for many many years now. Paul is a good guy. Terrible hoops player but good guy.

[Romo 2 Austin]

i have a friend who is a uber fan of Bret's & he was always really nice to her..he saw her at so many shows he knew her by name after awhile....but she is one person & I don't really know how he was in general to fans. One who is very nice always is Big Show. He's great with kids.

The Hardy's(especially Matt) are aswell, and Lita.

AJ Styles, Kurt Angle, James Storm also I have met who stood out as really nice/great with fans...


on the other hand Awesome Kong/Kharma is the biggest ***** in the world.

[BraveHeartFan]

The Hardy's(especially Matt) are aswell, and Lita.

AJ Styles, Kurt Angle, James Storm also I have met who stood out as really nice/great with fans...


on the other hand Awesome Kong/Kharma is the biggest ***** in the world.


lol.

It's really interesting that all the ones who stood out to you are in TNA and the one who you thought was terrible is the person who just left TNA and went to WWE.

I'm sorry that just cracked me up was all.

[zrinkill]

lol.

It's really interesting that all the ones who stood out to you are in TNA and the one who you thought was terrible is the person who just left TNA and went to WWE.

I'm sorry that just cracked me up was all.

besides the fact that its bullcrap.

Kharma has the reputation of being a sweetheart unless you insult her ..... which bubba the lovesponge found out.

[Romo 2 Austin]

lol.

It's really interesting that all the ones who stood out to you are in TNA and the one who you thought was terrible is the person who just left TNA and went to WWE.

I'm sorry that just cracked me up was all.

I met Angle after he joined TNA at the first event in WestBury NY, TNA's first event in NY.. Hardys when they were in WWE, AJ Styles at the first TNA event in NY, in Westbury.. Same event I met James Storm, guy was great he was drinking beer with fans during the event just talking about anything me and a few friends went up to him and were talking to him. TNA Wrestlers are very accessible during live events, thats why they stand out..


I was a huge fan of the hardys when I was younger, I think I was 10 when I met them, maybe 9, and me and my brother I can only imagine how obnoxious we were and they were really nice and answered questions for like 4 minutes when there was a hugeee line behind us. Ill always remember that. I said I wanted to become a wrestler and Matt said "Go for your dream, you'll never know what you can accomplish with hard work"... That was after 4 minutes of probably the most obnoxious questions they ever received.

I also met Triple H, in 2002, and he was all business, just signed the autograph and then we had to move on.

Kharma was a complete *****, after the event I went to I asked for an autograph, she looked at me, and then just marched into the backstage ignoring all the fans. I walked up to Angle, 50000x times the star Kong will ever be and he signed an autograph and allowed me to hold the TNA championship, right after that he went into the ring and then TNA charged $20 for an autograph and a pic with Angle, and if you asked he'd let you hold the title. Imagine WWE ever doing that? You go to a WWE event and when its over its over, TNA sends out performers to sign autographs, and all of them (besides Kong) are great with the fans. Styles was completely mobbed when he came out to sign autographs, him and Samoa Joe had an insanely good match that night so I didn't speak to him for longer than a minute but he just seemed so appreciative of the love he gets from the fans.


For example, James Storm as I said literally came out after his match drinking a beer and just started chatting with fans, you could walkup to him and he was insanely nice. I'd love to meet Shawn Michaels, but i'd probably be in awe of seeing my childhood idol that I wouldn't be able to find any logical words to say lol




..... Article I sent into PWinsider following the event...http:// .com/r2aarticle ( 'd it so it doesn't get indexed into google since my real name is on the article and don't want that associated with Romo 2 Austin when googled).. I'll copy and paste the article, which shouldn't be a problem since I wrote it for the people that don't trust lol....

Some quick notes on last night's TNA show in Long Island, NY:

Eric Young took Earl Hebner's referee top, and had Earl and James Storm fight. Then James took it off Eric after around 7 minutes, and then James and Eric started fighting.

The TNA stars giving free autographs after the show for were AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Gail Kim, James Storm, The Motor City Machine Guns, Brother Devon, Eric Young, LAX, Sonjay Dutt.

Throughout the night there were a few ECW chants, obviously when Team 3D where in the ring. The crowd was extremely hot, in all the matches, the least active was the Joe vs. Styles match, but that was right after the intermission.

The crowd was most behind Team 3D, Gail Kim, Christian Cage, Eric Young, Samoa Joe.

Kurt Angle had 30% of the fans and Christian had 70%. There dueling chants for Instant Classic, then Angle, Instant Classic, then Angle.

AJ Styles had around 25% of fan support while and Samoa Joe had 75% during their bout.

You could get into the six-sided ring with Kurt Angle for $20 Dollars, and then they ran out of Polaroids & autographs so it was then 10 dollars to get in the ring if you had a camera or not, and you could hold the title if you asked, which I did, and shake Angle's hand.

[DallasGirl50]

I know that is true. He was recruited to come play college basketball in my hometown. So I've seen him for many many years now. Paul is a good guy. Terrible hoops player but good guy.

very cool! He is really nice...and the biggest human being I have ever seen!

[Romo 2 Austin]

besides the fact that its bullcrap.

Kharma has the reputation of being a sweetheart unless you insult her ..... which bubba the lovesponge found out.

Maybe she had a bad day(certainly a bad match that night), but she seemed like a complete ***** when I encountered her....

onto the original topic of the thread... Chyna is done with TNA reportedly, as she was not at the tapings yesterday or coming to the tapings today.

[BraveHeartFan]

Maybe she had a bad day(certainly a bad match that night), but she seemed like a complete ***** when I encountered her....

onto the original topic of the thread... Chyna is done with TNA reportedly, as she was not at the tapings yesterday or coming to the tapings today.


Really? That's weird.

I mean as Roy pointed out with it being a show by show thing it didn't hurt them too much, I don't suppose, other than it's just another stupid blow to an already stupid angle.

This one would be easy to write off though as Kurt only bringing her in for that one show to win that one match but, still, it's stupid if that turns out to be true and she's already leaving.

[zrinkill]

Really? That's weird.

Maye she already got called back up to the big leagues ..... :laugh1:

[RoyTheHammer]

Really? That's weird.

I mean as Roy pointed out with it being a show by show thing it didn't hurt them too much, I don't suppose, other than it's just another stupid blow to an already stupid angle.

This one would be easy to write off though as Kurt only bringing her in for that one show to win that one match but, still, it's stupid if that turns out to be true and she's already leaving.

It all comes back to creative.. there are just way too many stupid storylines going on in both TNA and WWE today. Need to inject some fresh blood into the creative depts at both companies.

[RoyTheHammer]

Also, reporting that Chyna wasn't at TV tapings this week and reporting that she is done with the company are two ENTIRELY different things.

One is quite misleading without details..

[BraveHeartFan]

It all comes back to creative.. there are just way too many stupid storylines going on in both TNA and WWE today. Need to inject some fresh blood into the creative depts at both companies.

I agree with you whole heartedly on this. The shows are in bad need of fresh blood and better storylines.

Also, reporting that Chyna wasn't at TV tapings this week and reporting that she is done with the company are two ENTIRELY different things.

One is quite misleading without details..

Also true. Could be absolutely nothing at all.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Also, reporting that Chyna wasn't at TV tapings this week and reporting that she is done with the company are two ENTIRELY different things.

One is quite misleading without details..

Doubt she'll disappear for 2 weeks and come back.

[RoyTheHammer]

Doubt she'll disappear for 2 weeks and come back.

Why is that? The storyline is most likely done.

Doesn't make sense to you how an older wrestler, who is working on an appearance handshake deal, could miss a week or two?

You don't think maybe TNA creative, as great as they are, just needs a week to find something new for her?

I think there are alot of possibilities for what she could be doing in the future, but assuming that she isn't there this week means she's done with the company when everything about her so far has been positive for them is a bit of a reach.

[zrinkill]

Why is that? The storyline is most likely done.

Doesn't make sense to you how an older wrestler, who is working on an appearance handshake deal, could miss a week or two?

You don't think maybe TNA creative, as great as they are, just needs a week to find something new for her?

I think there are alot of possibilities for what she could be doing in the future, but assuming that she isn't there this week means she's done with the company when everything about her so far has been positive for them is a bit of a reach.


Thats one of the drawbacks of filming a months worth of shows in one night ...... if someone misses it for some reason ...... they are off TNA programing for weeks.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Why is that? The storyline is most likely done.

Doesn't make sense to you how an older wrestler, who is working on an appearance handshake deal, could miss a week or two?

You don't think maybe TNA creative, as great as they are, just needs a week to find something new for her?

I think there are alot of possibilities for what she could be doing in the future, but assuming that she isn't there this week means she's done with the company when everything about her so far has been positive for them is a bit of a reach.
She's 40.

[RoyTheHammer]

She's 40.

Oh, im sorry.. is that not "older"?

:lmao2:

[Romo 2 Austin]

Oh, im sorry.. is that not "older"?

:lmao2:

40 year old women don't wrestle on a regular basis. Is there one in WWE over 30?

I doubt she'll be back. Maybe i'm wrong, but whatever the value of the Chyna name had has already been milked.

[RoyTheHammer]

40 year old women don't wrestle on a regular basis.

That's right, they dont.. they take weeks off.

See what i was getting at now? :cool:

[DallasGirl50]

40 year old women don't wrestle on a regular basis. Is there one in WWE over 30?

I doubt she'll be back. Maybe i'm wrong, but whatever the value of the Chyna name had has already been milked.

just a guess but Melina looks 30ish to me...Beth Phoenix too. And Tara in TNA looks over 30 to me.

[RoyTheHammer]

just a guess but Melina looks 30ish to me...Beth Phoenix too. And Tara in TNA looks over 30 to me.

Correct on all accounts, Tara is actually as old as Chyna too.

[zrinkill]

Correct on all accounts, Tara is actually as old as Chyna too.

Victoria was discovered by Chyna .......she was first gonna come in as Chyna's little sister and have an affair with eddie ...... but when chyna started having money problems with WWE they cut it short and had her just be one of the shower ho's he got caught with.

[RoyTheHammer]

Victoria was discovered by Chyna .......she was first gonna come in as Chyna's little sister and have an affair with eddie ...... but when chyna started having money problems with WWE they cut it short and had her just be one of the shower ho's he got caught with.

Yea, both former bodybuilders. Tara still looks good today at 40 even.

[zrinkill]

Yea, both former bodybuilders. Tara still looks good today at 40 even.

She would be the perfect wonder woman ...... in looks

[RoyTheHammer]

She would be the perfect wonder woman ...... in looks

So hot..

[RoyTheHammer]

Fortune Four!

:D

[Romo 2 Austin]

Fortune Four!

:D

yeah, the best thing going in wrestling.. What about it?

[RoyTheHammer]

yeah, the best thing going in wrestling.. What about it?

Can i make a post without having to answer silly questions?

[zrinkill]

Can i make a post without having to answer silly questions?

:muttley:

[Romo 2 Austin]

Can i make a post without having to answer silly questions?

Not when it's a silly post lol

[RoyTheHammer]

Not when it's a silly post lol

Did you have a problem with the post sir? Feel free to discuss it here..

[BraveHeartFan]

Well I don't even know if I'll give it a chance now. If R2A is already pushing it as the best thing going in wrestling then it's likely to be extremely disappointing.

[RoyTheHammer]

Well I don't even know if I'll give it a chance now. If R2A is already pushing it as the best thing going in wrestling then it's likely to be extremely disappointing.

I think its a very entertaining faction. My post was actually after i watched the latest TNA Impact on Thursday and i love the Fortune Four faction. People can think what they'd like, but for my money, AJ Styles, the Fallen Angel, and Beer Money are much more entertaining than any faction the WWE has going. Love those guys.

Also, Crimson is blossoming into a bad ***, and you gotta love Steiner and Angle.

Watchin Raw tonight, im glad to see Swagger and McIntyre getting some face time. They are two young guys who have got the attitude and build to be great.

[BraveHeartFan]

I think its a very entertaining faction. My post was actually after i watched the latest TNA Impact on Thursday and i love the Fortune Four faction. People can think what they'd like, but for my money, AJ Styles, the Fallen Angel, and Beer Money are much more entertaining than any faction the WWE has going. Love those guys.

Also, Crimson is blossoming into a bad ***, and you gotta love Steiner and Angle.

Watchin Raw tonight, im glad to see Swagger and McIntyre getting some face time. They are two young guys who have got the attitude and build to be great.


Yeah they might be. I've seen some stuff on them before. I just am not interested in AJ as the leader, and the voice, cause he's just not good on the mic. But I do like Christopher and Beer Money so I'm likely to still follow. I just get really less than enthused when R2A goes in and over values things.

[RoyTheHammer]

Yeah they might be. I've seen some stuff on them before. I just am not interested in AJ as the leader, and the voice, cause he's just not good on the mic. But I do like Christopher and Beer Money so I'm likely to still follow. I just get really less than enthused when R2A goes in and over values things.

I hear ya.. and i understand not everyone likes Styles, but to me, he's a great entertainer and i love the intensity you get from him.

I figured i'd provide a little bit more rational opinion of the Fortune faction. Still probably the biggest force in wrestling right now. Beer Money and the Fallen Angel are huge names in their own right, like you said, even if you don't like AJ.

I wish the Main Event Mafia could have been reformed. I thought that was a great faction with Angle, Steiner, Nash, Sting, Booker, and Joe/Crimson.

[BraveHeartFan]

I hear ya.. and i understand not everyone likes Styles, but to me, he's a great entertainer and i love the intensity you get from him.

I figured i'd provide a little bit more rational opinion of the Fortune faction. Still probably the biggest force in wrestling right now. Beer Money and the Fallen Angel are huge names in their own right, like you said, even if you don't like AJ.

I wish the Main Event Mafia could have been reformed. I thought that was a great faction with Angle, Steiner, Nash, Sting, Booker, and Joe/Crimson.

I enjoyed the Mafia a lot. That was fun and interesting.

I like AJ, in the ring. I think he's a fantastic wrestler and a lot of fun to watch in the ring. I just don't particularly care for him on the mic.

I'd LOVE the idea of The Fallen Angel being the lead of their group and being the Flair type of mouth piece for the crew. I'd love that a lot.

And I'm a huge fan of Beer Money as a tag team. I just think they're darn entertaining and very good at what they're doing.

[RoyTheHammer]

So apparently Kharma is pregnant. She'll be out of action for at least 9 months, probably more like a year or so. Bet the WWE is happy.

They should be though.. they'll probably need that much time to find out how to use her besides having her come out every single show, hit her finisher, laugh and then leave.

[DallasGirl50]

Well good for her. They have plenty of female wrestlers...Beth is back. To me the divas are an afterthought anyway. Whatever she does when she gets back I'm sure it will be better than having a storyline where a prominent diva is being drugged and led around in a trance...

[zrinkill]

Whatever she does when she gets back I'm sure it will be better than having a storyline where a prominent diva is being drugged and led around in a trance...

:bow:

[RoyTheHammer]

Well good for her. They have plenty of female wrestlers...Beth is back. To me the divas are an afterthought anyway. Whatever she does when she gets back I'm sure it will be better than having a storyline where a prominent diva is being drugged and led around in a trance...

Who said anything about drugged? You're bias shows there. :D

[DallasGirl50]

Who said anything about drugged? You're bias shows there. :D

Huh? Last time I watched a dark haired diva gave the blond a pill & she was acting like she was in a trance...hence the story that she's being drugged...silly stuff. But guys aren't exactly watching divas for the great acting or stories.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Yeah they might be. I've seen some stuff on them before. I just am not interested in AJ as the leader, and the voice, cause he's just not good on the mic. But I do like Christopher and Beer Money so I'm likely to still follow. I just get really less than enthused when R2A goes in and over values things.

AJ Styles is the most over performer in the company, and he is far from "not good on the mic" anymore.. Hes dam good. Last few months he has been one of the best in the company, his passion is unparalleled by anyone in the industry.

[BraveHeartFan]

AJ Styles is the most over performer in the company, and he is far from "not good on the mic" anymore.. Hes dam good. Last few months he has been one of the best in the company, his passion is unparalleled by anyone in the industry.


And I totally disagree. He's still boring as hell on the mic, he rarely, if ever, makes me want to believe or get behind him when they allow him to talk.

I'd personally like him much more if they just never allowed him to speak. He just bores me to death. It's a difference in opinion here. I don't care how many times you say it, or quote your internet forum buddies, I'm not going to agree that he's improved a great deal on the mic or that he's any good at it.

I've said, more than once, that he's improved some from where he's at, to where he's at least bearable now, but that's it. He's still, when I watch him, boring as hell on the mic.

And that passion statement...dumb. Just flat out dumb. Sorry but there is no way that you, or I, or anyone watching from the outside can make a statement like that and have any sort of truth to it at all.

[zrinkill]

And I totally disagree. He's still boring as hell on the mic, he rarely, if ever, makes me want to believe or get behind him when they allow him to talk.

I agree.

I like him ...... but he is not a talker ..... matter of fact he is horrible at it.

[BraveHeartFan]

I agree.

I like him ...... but he is not a talker ..... matter of fact he is horrible at it.


Yeah that's my thing. Don't get me wrong here I like the guy. I think he's an extremely gifted athlete and amazing to watch in the ring. I just can't stand listening to him on the mic. He's just not good at it, at all, and it bores me to death.

[DallasGirl50]

Some wrestlers are very good at talking/mic work. Rock is the best...Sting is great...Foley..Flair...HHH...Austin got better over the years. AJ. reminds me alot of Kerry Von Erich on the mic. Southern twang that doesn't translate well mic skills wise. Best left to just wrestle.

[BraveHeartFan]

Some wrestlers are very good at talking/mic work. Rock is the best...Sting is great...Foley..Flair...HHH...Austin got better over the years. AJ. reminds me alot of Kerry Von Erich on the mic. Southern twang that doesn't translate well mic skills wise. Best left to just wrestle.

Great comparison, IMO. He does remind me a lot of Kerry on the mic.

[DallasGirl50]

Great comparison, IMO. He does remind me a lot of Kerry on the mic.

i use to go see Kerry & his brothers @ the Sportatorium....he was always so nice to the fans. They all were. It broke my heart when he committed suicide...I knew he was troubled but I did not know he had a prosthetic foot & was in constant pain. I will always be a Von Erich fan.

[RoyTheHammer]

Some wrestlers are very good at talking/mic work. Rock is the best...Sting is great...Foley..Flair...HHH...Austin got better over the years. AJ. reminds me alot of Kerry Von Erich on the mic. Southern twang that doesn't translate well mic skills wise. Best left to just wrestle.

All those guys you mentioned i agree with.. except Sting. I wish they would go back to his black and white gimmick. He's no bueno on the mic. I roll my eyes everytime he picks it up.

[DallasGirl50]

All those guys you mentioned i agree with.. except Sting. I wish they would go back to his black and white gimmick. He's no bueno on the mic. I roll my eyes everytime he picks it up.

oh well..I've always thought he did fine on the mic. I've heard him speak @ a church & he's a really well spoken guy. Of course that was as Steve Borden & not Sting...but anyway to me his mic work is fine. To each his own!

[RoyTheHammer]

oh well..I've always thought he did fine on the mic. I've heard him speak @ a church & he's a really well spoken guy. Of course that was as Steve Borden & not Sting...but anyway to me his mic work is fine. To each his own!

Yeaaa.. mic work in wrestling isn't about being well spoken. Not to me anyway. Like you said though, to each their own.

[DallasGirl50]

Yeaaa.. mic work in wrestling isn't about being well spoken. Not to me anyway. Like you said though, to each their own.

he's got a compelling testimony & he realizes he could very easily have died like so many of his peers...he's always been one of my favorites. He said he can't bear to think of all the guys he has worked with that are dead. He mentioned Rude as one of his favorite guys he wrestled...

[zrinkill]

TMZ reports that Chyna is getting back into the porn business and will be starring in an "extremely graphic" adult film.

Vivid President Steve Hirsch told TMZ that Chyna approached him months ago and wanted to get her adult film career going again. Vivid has booked her with two of the industry's biggest stars, Evan and Lee Stone, for a new movie called "Backdoor Into Chyna" that has already been filmed.


:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[Yeagermeister]

TMZ reports that Chyna is getting back into the porn business and will be starring in an "extremely graphic" adult film.

Vivid President Steve Hirsch told TMZ that Chyna approached him months ago and wanted to get her adult film career going again. Vivid has booked her with two of the industry's biggest stars, Evan and Lee Stone, for a new movie called "Backdoor Into Chyna" that has already been filmed.


:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

But TNA got two weeks of extra pub :D

[Romo 2 Austin]

And I totally disagree. He's still boring as hell on the mic, he rarely, if ever, makes me want to believe or get behind him when they allow him to talk.

I'd personally like him much more if they just never allowed him to speak. He just bores me to death. It's a difference in opinion here. I don't care how many times you say it, or quote your internet forum buddies, I'm not going to agree that he's improved a great deal on the mic or that he's any good at it.

I've said, more than once, that he's improved some from where he's at, to where he's at least bearable now, but that's it. He's still, when I watch him, boring as hell on the mic.

And that passion statement...dumb. Just flat out dumb. Sorry but there is no way that you, or I, or anyone watching from the outside can make a statement like that and have any sort of truth to it at all.

Watch the guy, he cares about what he's doing... Watch RVD, he's going through the motions.. Watch Miz, he's into what he's saying, what Del Rio, sounds like hes reading a script..

You can tell who cares and who doesn't by how they deliver their promos.



AJ Styles holding his own with one of the best in the promo business, oh and getting crazy reactions from the audience...

cUUn0zlSa_4

There is a reason he was rated #1 wrestler last year by PWIllustrated, and its simply because he is #1.

[zrinkill]

But TNA got two weeks of extra pub :D

:bow:

[Romo 2 Austin]

TMZ reports that Chyna is getting back into the porn business and will be starring in an "extremely graphic" adult film.

Vivid President Steve Hirsch told TMZ that Chyna approached him months ago and wanted to get her adult film career going again. Vivid has booked her with two of the industry's biggest stars, Evan and Lee Stone, for a new movie called "Backdoor Into Chyna" that has already been filmed.


:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

and TNA is probably happy about this as it helps further them from the "entertainers"... Don't see whats funny

[zrinkill]

Predictable ......

[zrinkill]

WWE Diva's

Michelle McCool leaves to allow her ankle and knee to heal and spend time with her Husband the Undertaker.

Layla leaves because of a knee injury.

Kharma (awesome kong) leaves because she is Pregnant.

TNA Knockout's

Chyna leaves to do a hardcore 3 way anal porno.


The difference in the Companies are very apparent.

[Yeagermeister]

WWE Diva's

Michelle McCool leaves to allow her ankle and knee to heal and spend time with her Husband the Undertaker.

Layla leaves because of a knee injury.

Kharma (awesome kong) leaves because she is Pregnant.

TNA Knockout's

Chyna leaves to do a hardcore 3 way anal porno.


The difference in the Companies are very apparent.

Whoa I'm way late on that one :eek:

[Yeagermeister]

WWE Diva's

Michelle McCool leaves to allow her ankle and knee to heal and spend time with her Husband the Undertaker.

Layla leaves because of a knee injury.

Kharma (awesome kong) leaves because she is Pregnant.

TNA Knockout's

Chyna leaves to do a hardcore 3 way anal porno.


The difference in the Companies are very apparent.

In all fairness Chyna did a porno when she was in the WWE. It's just wasn't an real one. :laugh2:

[zrinkill]

In all fairness Chyna did a porno when she was in the WWE. It's just wasn't an real one. :laugh2:

Nope ..... that was years later.

X-pac was in TNA when they filmed that porno ..... she was unemployed.

[Yakuza Rich]

and TNA is probably happy about this as it helps further them from the "entertainers"... Don't see whats funny

It's just more short sighted booking and promoting of the company. More throwing crap at the wall and seeing what sticks.

Let's say that Laurer did get over and the fans were invested in the storyline...now she leaves just weeks after, just further ingraining the message to the fans that there's no reason to get invested into the characters because chances are they won't be around long.

Sometimes that can't be helped, particularly in pro wrestling...but it's commonplace in TNA. And the reality is that 'there is no such thing as bad publicity' is a bad idea to try and build a business by.

Getting the crowd to 'pop' is just that...getting a bunch of marks to pop. It takes a lot more to actually draw money over the long haul and TNA doesn't get that.






3JACK

[Yeagermeister]

Nope ..... that was years later.

X-pac was in TNA when they filmed that porno ..... she was unemployed.

My bad :o:

[RoyTheHammer]

But TNA got two weeks of extra pub :D

TNA did get two weeks of major publicity with her appearance and got some huge pops from the crowds during her two appearances while paying her next to nothing.

As opposed to the WWE who signed a certain fat chick to a guarenteed contract only to be pushing her to lose weight right away that she didn't want to drop, and then having her off TV for a year because she gets herself pregnant.

Seems like one business move was superior alright.. although most on here won't admit it.

[zrinkill]

Whoa I'm way late on that one :eek:

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/13500000/Michelle-McCool-and-Undertaker-wedding-photo-michelle-mccool-13584238-600-450.jpg

[big dog cowboy]

Getting the crowd to 'pop' is just that...getting a bunch of marks to pop. It takes a lot more to actually draw money over the long haul and TNA doesn't get that.
A lesson they should have learned with Flair and Hogan.

[BraveHeartFan]

All those guys you mentioned i agree with.. except Sting. I wish they would go back to his black and white gimmick. He's no bueno on the mic. I roll my eyes everytime he picks it up.

Watch the guy, he cares about what he's doing... Watch RVD, he's going through the motions.. Watch Miz, he's into what he's saying, what Del Rio, sounds like hes reading a script..

You can tell who cares and who doesn't by how they deliver their promos.



AJ Styles holding his own with one of the best in the promo business, oh and getting crazy reactions from the audience...

cUUn0zlSa_4

There is a reason he was rated #1 wrestler last year by PWIllustrated, and its simply because he is #1.


I have watched all of them. Thanks for the very short sighted advice there though.

I'm not saying AJ doesn't live and breath the business. I'm quite sure does and I'm very happy about that. However for you to make the claim that he's the most passionate in the business, based off your friggen fandom, is stupid. Period.

You have no idea if he is, or isnt, regardless of what he does on the mic. People used to think Hogan was extremely passionate about the business too and it's become very, very, very clear over the years that he's not, and never was, and was always about himself and money.

I don't think AJ is that way, at all, mind you but that's the point. I'm sure he's passionate, just like a ton of other guys, but I wouldn't be so stupid as to try and say he's the most passionate because PWI magazine told me I'm supposed to consider him the #1 wrestler in the world.

And what a joke that you'd even use PWI (which is a magazine I respect btw) as your evidence that I'm just supposed to immediately consider him #1 cause they say so.

I don't give a crap who PWI, you, Hammer, or anyone else says I'm supposed to think is #1. Just like I don't that ESPN tells me I'm supposed to believe that Ware is the 2nd best defender in the league. I am free to watch the stuff myself and decide for myself.

AJ Styles is a great in-ring talent and fun to watch IN the ring. He's not #1 to me now, never has been, and never will be. It's just pretty much that simple and I don't need PWI to tell me how to decide that.

[zrinkill]

Seems like one business move was superior alright..

Yup ..... Way superior.

[RoyTheHammer]

It's just more short sighted booking and promoting of the company. More throwing crap at the wall and seeing what sticks.

Let's say that Laurer did get over and the fans were invested in the storyline...now she leaves just weeks after, just further ingraining the message to the fans that there's no reason to get invested into the characters because chances are they won't be around long.

Sometimes that can't be helped, particularly in pro wrestling...but it's commonplace in TNA.

Is it commonplace in TNA? Do you have any knowledge of the company at all?

They've made castoffs into main eventers. Since the company began, guys like Samoa Joe, Styles, Daniels, Kaz, Beer Money, Abyss, etc.. are all still there.

At least 50 percent of their entire roster right now are people who have been with that company for years.

[RoyTheHammer]

I have watched all of them. Thanks for the very short sighted advice there though.

I'm not saying AJ doesn't live and breath the business. I'm quite sure does and I'm very happy about that. However for you to make the claim that he's the most passionate in the business, based off your friggen fandom, is stupid. Period.

I don't give a crap who PWI, you, Hammer, or anyone else says I'm supposed to think is #1. Just like I don't that ESPN tells me I'm supposed to believe that Ware is the 2nd best defender in the league. I am free to watch the stuff myself and decide for myself.

AJ Styles is a great in-ring talent and fun to watch IN the ring. He's not #1 to me now, never has been, and never will be. It's just pretty much that simple and I don't need PWI to tell me how to decide that.

Yo.. don't lump me in with this guy.

:laugh2:

[BraveHeartFan]

It's just more short sighted booking and promoting of the company. More throwing crap at the wall and seeing what sticks.

Let's say that Laurer did get over and the fans were invested in the storyline...now she leaves just weeks after, just further ingraining the message to the fans that there's no reason to get invested into the characters because chances are they won't be around long.

Sometimes that can't be helped, particularly in pro wrestling...but it's commonplace in TNA. And the reality is that 'there is no such thing as bad publicity' is a bad idea to try and build a business by.

Getting the crowd to 'pop' is just that...getting a bunch of marks to pop. It takes a lot more to actually draw money over the long haul and TNA doesn't get that.






3JACK

That bolded part is so true it's not even funny. It's hilarious how so many people seem to forget or over look this fact.

Look back to WCW when it started getting it's *** handed to it. They still got the crowd to POP on a regular basis for certain guys. Hogan, Nash, Flair, Sting, Goldberg, would come out and they'd get their pops. No one denies that.

However WCW continued to lose in the ratings, lose money, and eventually folded because getting a pop, from a crowd of marks, isn't the same as drawing money and making the business really profitable.

TNA has yet to learn that and honestly, at this point, I highly doubt they ever will. Hopefully ROH can continue to slowly grow, get some reconition, get on a big time TV network and be some real competition.

A lesson they should have learned with Flair and Hogan.

Yes this is true but really it's a lesson they should have learned even before that. They never have and they never will.

[zrinkill]

At least 50 percent of their entire roster right now are people who have been with that company for years.

but how many of the main eventer's are?

[Yeagermeister]

TNA did get two weeks of major publicity with her appearance and got some huge pops from the crowds during her two appearances while paying her next to nothing.

As opposed to the WWE who signed a certain fat chick to a guarenteed contract only to be pushing her to lose weight right away that she didn't want to drop, and then having her off TV for a year because she gets herself pregnant.

Seems like one business move was superior alright.. although most on here won't admit it.

If the WWE knew she was knocked up when she signed then yeah they messed up. If she knew and didn't tell them they should fire her.

but I'd still rather have a top female performer over a has been

[RoyTheHammer]

but how many of the main eventer's are?

AJ, Abyss, Beer Money, Jarrett, Matt Morgan, Hernandez, Sting, Steiner, Angle, Samoa Joe, The Pope.

All those guys have been with the company for years now. Steiner has been in and out, but the rest of those guys have been in it for the long haul.

[RoyTheHammer]

Yup ..... Way superior.

Indeed. One company paid next to nothing for a couple weeks of marketing and getting their name out there to more people who are now more aware of the brand. That company now has no further obligation.

The other company signed a fat girl to a guarenteed contract and has already had problems with other wrestlers not getting along with her, wanting her to lose weight when she didn't think she needed to, and now her being gone for a year. All this while the company will still be paying her.

[zrinkill]

The other company signed a fat girl to a guarenteed contract

You can call her fat until you are blue in the face ..... does not change the fact that she was a far far superior signing for a well organized company.

but you can tout that porn star trainwreck and the piss ant company that hired her if that is what you are into.

[zrinkill]

AJ, Abyss, Beer Money, Jarrett, Matt Morgan, Hernandez, Sting, Steiner, Angle, Samoa Joe, The Pope.

All those guys have been with the company for years now. Steiner has been in and out, but the rest of those guys have been in it for the long haul.

:lmao:

I said main event.

[zrinkill]

Top guys in TNA right now

Hogan
Sting
Angle
Jarrett
Flair
A.J.
Kennedy

[RoyTheHammer]

You can call her fat until you are blue in the face ..... does not change the fact that she was a far far superior signing for a well organized company.

but you can tout that porn star trainwreck and the piss ant company that hired her if that is what you are into.

Im aware she's a bigger draw than Chyna at this point in both of their careers.. but the bottom line from a business standpoint, is that one company paid a big name for two weeks to draw attention and get their brand out there so more people would become familiar with it, and also treat their loyal fans they already have to a special treat.

They are now off the hook and owe Chyna nothing more.. i'd say they accomplished their goal very smoothly.

The other company signed a star female wrestler to a big contract, didn't get a single match out of her yet, and less than a couple months in, already is having trouble with other wrestlers, a weight issue that she doesn't want to fix, and is now telling the WWE that she won't be on the air for a year because she decided to get pregnant.

The WWE is still on the hook to pay her this entire time though.. so saying that the WWE made the better business move in this situation is just ridiculous, however you try to spin it.

[RoyTheHammer]

:lmao:

I said main event.

What does main event mean to you? Only the top contenders for the heavyweight title right at this moment?

Im referring to guys who get the biggest pushes and most airtime now, and over the last couple years.

[RoyTheHammer]

Top guys in TNA right now

Hogan
Sting
Angle
Jarrett
Flair
A.J.
Kennedy

..and this right here is how i know you either don't watch the program or are extremely biased.

[zrinkill]

saying that the WWE made the better business move in this situation is just ridiculous, however you try to spin it.

Only from a very biased point of view.

[zrinkill]

..and this right here is how i know you either don't watch the program or are extremely biased.

You really want to try and argue this?

[RoyTheHammer]

You really want to try and argue this?

No.. i don't. lol

Saying Hogan is a top guy there right now is one of the most foolish things i've heard lately. He not only hasn't been around for months, he hasn't been on TV for the company more than one or two times in that time span either. And when he does, he hasn't been a factor on the program at all.

[RoyTheHammer]

Only from a very biased point of view.

Yawn..

I haven't been biased at all about the issues either company faces.

[zrinkill]

Saying Hogan is a top guy there right now is one of the most foolish things i've heard lately.

Go look at TNA main page and tell me who you see.

Try not to be so foolish.

[zrinkill]

I haven't been biased at all about the issues either company faces.

I am sure the fat girl would disagree.

[RoyTheHammer]

Go look at TNA main page and tell me who you see.

Try not to be so foolish.

Saying he's a top guy there implies he's getting alot of facetime and a big push on the programming.

Neither could be further from the truth.

He's a figurehead there to create awareness for the brand because he's a huge marketing tool. Nothing more. He's not on the programming, he's not wrestling, etc..

[RoyTheHammer]

I am sure the fat girl would disagree.

Well go cry to the WWE then.. they are the ones who called her fat.

[zrinkill]

Saying he's a top guy there implies he's getting alot of facetime and a big push on the programming.

So he was not involved in the main event at the last two pay per views?

[zrinkill]

Well go cry to the WWE then.. they are the ones who called her fat.

When?

[RoyTheHammer]

When?

When they told her she needs to lose some weight.

[zrinkill]

When they told her she needs to lose some weight.

:laugh2:

I Bet they said "Hey Fat girl .... stop eating"

Or they did like they do Big show, mark henry, and every other heavy wrestler and set a weight limit for reasons of their health.


Nice try though.

[BraveHeartFan]

Is it commonplace in TNA? Do you have any knowledge of the company at all?

They've made castoffs into main eventers. Since the company began, guys like Samoa Joe, Styles, Daniels, Kaz, Beer Money, Abyss, etc.. are all still there.

At least 50 percent of their entire roster right now are people who have been with that company for years.

Yeah they used to do a great job of building, and pushing, their own guys. That was back when I actually enjoyed TNA and at one point thought they'd really be a force one day.

Then they started taking castoffs from other places and uses them for name value, at the expense of their own guys, and it's went downhill.

Sprinkling in a few known stars, from other places, while continuing to really push and build their own guys would have been the way to go. But whats happened since they brought in Angle, Sting, Flair, Hogan, and the Hardys now? Guys like Joe are being used in pretty much forgotten roles.

Beer Money is still kicking butt, and thankfully they've not managed to screw up continuing to push AJ (although even he's had to take a backseat for long periods of time so Christian, Angle, and more recently, and most distrubingly, so Jeff Hardy could take the spotlight), but a lot of what made them cool, and special, is now just filler on their shows and doesn't get pushed nearly the way it did.

At one point they pushed Abyss as one of the best big men, monster characters there was. They were really doing great with them. Then suddenly they just started pushing him as a giant joke and have went downhill with him every since.



Yo.. don't lump me in with this guy.

:laugh2:

I didn't mean to put you in there in a bad way in terms of how you guys present your opinions. I respect yours, and your thoughts on the subject, cause you present it right. I just put you in there cause you're one of the more vocal here on the subject. :)

[BraveHeartFan]

AJ, Abyss, Beer Money, Jarrett, Matt Morgan, Hernandez, Sting, Steiner, Angle, Samoa Joe, The Pope.

All those guys have been with the company for years now. Steiner has been in and out, but the rest of those guys have been in it for the long haul.

Well maybe i missed something but you were saying TNA's guys. Sting, Steiner, and Angle were not their guys, and were HUGE stars long before they ever came to TNA.

So to me you can't really list them as TNA guys who are main eventers. The rest I can agree with for sure. Except that I think they book Abyss as a joke now, compared to where he was about 5 years ago, and I'm just not sold at all on Morgan. I know he is a main eventer for TNA but he's just so blah to me.


I wish Joe would get a bigger push again. I hate that they're sort of letting him float around, getting stagnant (IMO of course) and I'm a big fan of Pope. I loved him in WWE and I was really sad to see them let him get away. I think he's got star quality written all over him.

[RoyTheHammer]

:laugh2:

I Bet they said "Hey Fat girl .... stop eating"

Or they did like they do Big show, mark henry, and every other heavy wrestler and set a weight limit for reasons of their health.


Nice try though.

Actually, knowing Vince...

lol.

Seriously though, word it any way you'd like, but im just telling you they thought she was too fat.

[RoyTheHammer]

Well maybe i missed something but you were saying TNA's guys. Sting, Steiner, and Angle were not their guys, and were HUGE stars long before they ever came to TNA.

So to me you can't really list them as TNA guys who are main eventers. The rest I can agree with for sure. Except that I think they book Abyss as a joke now, compared to where he was about 5 years ago, and I'm just not sold at all on Morgan. I know he is a main eventer for TNA but he's just so blah to me.


I wish Joe would get a bigger push again. I hate that they're sort of letting him float around, getting stagnant (IMO of course) and I'm a big fan of Pope. I loved him in WWE and I was really sad to see them let him get away. I think he's got star quality written all over him.

Well, the comment i was responding to was that they never develop their characters long term, and all the guys i mentioned have been there for the long haul. As in more than a couple years. When they were running good, they brought in Angle, Steiner, and Sting, and incorperated them into the program well with the TNA original guys.

I agree though, now they are going too far with Hogan and RVD and Tommy Dreamer, etc.. these guys add little to nothing. I'd like Hardy if he ever got clean. Matt Hardy can go die though.

[BraveHeartFan]

Well, the comment i was responding to was that they never develop their characters long term, and all the guys i mentioned have been there for the long haul. As in more than a couple years. When they were running good, they brought in Angle, Steiner, and Sting, and incorperated them into the program well with the TNA original guys.

I agree though, now they are going too far with Hogan and RVD and Tommy Dreamer, etc.. these guys add little to nothing. I'd like Hardy if he ever got clean. Matt Hardy can go die though.


Ahhh gotcha. Makes total sense to me now and I do agree with the statement.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Yo.. don't lump me in with this guy.

:laugh2:

don't lump me in with this guy.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Saying he's a top guy there implies he's getting alot of facetime and a big push on the programming.

Neither could be further from the truth.

He's a figurehead there to create awareness for the brand because he's a huge marketing tool. Nothing more. He's not on the programming, he's not wrestling, etc..

To be fair there have been a few weeks he is in 3+ segments, but your right he is not the vocal point of the progaming. Some weeks its bischoff, some weeks its Anderson, some weeks its Styles... TNA has been doing a good job with this, WWE it's always Cena on RAW unless Rock is making an appearance, and Orton on SD. Always, no variation. It's been that way with Cena on RAW since what, 2005?

[Romo 2 Austin]

Well, the comment i was responding to was that they never develop their characters long term, and all the guys i mentioned have been there for the long haul. As in more than a couple years. When they were running good, they brought in Angle, Steiner, and Sting, and incorperated them into the program well with the TNA original guys.

I agree though, now they are going too far with Hogan and RVD and Tommy Dreamer, etc.. these guys add little to nothing. I'd like Hardy if he ever got clean. Matt Hardy can go die though.

RVD coming in was huge, him winning the title was emotional and a good idea as it popped the rating .3 the following week last year, but at this point your right RVD means next to nothing as he just is going through the motions.\

Hogan I didn't have a problem with, at the time, now I wish he would go away and go back to WWE. They'd use him better, why the heck make one of the most over performers in the industry a heel? What good comes from it, he should be a babyface mentoring up and comers, WWE would use him right.


Dreamer, I have no idea why everyone says he deserves so much respect, what was he a backstage helper for the 3rd biggest promotion for 4 years? Wow, you've changed everything Tommy, the whole industry would've died without you putting t-shirts in your trunk. Thanks you deserve a job for life.. No, Dreamer should've been off TV and out of the industry the second WWE closed the ECW re-make.

[RoyTheHammer]

RVD coming in was huge, him winning the title was emotional and a good idea as it popped the rating .3 the following week last year, but at this point your right RVD means next to nothing as he just is going through the motions.\

Hogan I didn't have a problem with, at the time, now I wish he would go away and go back to WWE. They'd use him better, why the heck make one of the most over performers in the industry a heel? What good comes from it, he should be a babyface mentoring up and comers, WWE would use him right.


Dreamer, I have no idea why everyone says he deserves so much respect, what was he a backstage helper for the 3rd biggest promotion for 4 years? Wow, you've changed everything Tommy, the whole industry would've died without you putting t-shirts in your trunk. Thanks you deserve a job for life.. No, Dreamer should've been off TV and out of the industry the second WWE closed the ECW re-make.

RVD and Dreamer are shells of their former selves. RVD doesn't deserve to be in the main event picture at all. He gets winded after about 2 minutes. He doesn't have the same quickness or agility that made him as good as he was. He's done unless he actually works to get back in shape. I don't care for him right now.

[BraveHeartFan]

RVD coming in was huge, him winning the title was emotional and a good idea as it popped the rating .3 the following week last year, but at this point your right RVD means next to nothing as he just is going through the motions.\

Hogan I didn't have a problem with, at the time, now I wish he would go away and go back to WWE. They'd use him better, why the heck make one of the most over performers in the industry a heel? What good comes from it, he should be a babyface mentoring up and comers, WWE would use him right.


Dreamer, I have no idea why everyone says he deserves so much respect, what was he a backstage helper for the 3rd biggest promotion for 4 years? Wow, you've changed everything Tommy, the whole industry would've died without you putting t-shirts in your trunk. Thanks you deserve a job for life.. No, Dreamer should've been off TV and out of the industry the second WWE closed the ECW re-make.

I'll tackle the WWE part in a minute but I can answer the bolded part pretty easily.

Due to the people that TNA has running their company being completely useless this is the way they operate. Hogan once got WCW super over, and winning the ratings every week, cause he was the lead heel of the best heel thing going. It was mega over and drew money.

So the TNA leaders now (Russo, Hogan, Bish) get together and think "Hey Hogan drew big as a lead heel in WCW. Lets do that again!"

It goes right along with their silly repackaging, once more, of the 4 Horseman idea, in a new form, or when they basically were doing the Millionares vs. The New Blood (Those were the WCW names), trying to package AJ as the new Flair, and some of the other stuff that they've done that just smacks of old, retread, stuff. Which is a Russo specialty, btw. Watch some old WCW stuff (i'm sure you have) but you'll see his finger prints all over that with his attempts to make clones of WWE stars out of WCW guys by giving them the same type of gimmick.

So that's why they've done that with Hogan. Without a doubt. The last part of that where you're saying he should mentor....lol. That's hilarious. Apparently you don't know much about Hogan but he's not into mentoring, or getting people over, cause Hogan is a leech whose all about Hogan and what he has to do to further his money. nothing else.


Which brings me to the WWE part. There is a big reason the WWE only brings him back for small rounds, and in small doses, because you know what you're getting with Hogan. You're getting a much older, no longer useful, performer who isn't going to be willing to put anyone else over and you're only going to want to use him for short term boosts of shows. Nothing else.

Vince knows this better than anyone else and that's why you don't see Hogan back in the WWE for really extended periods or in important roles. Because Vince, rather people like him or not, is a smart business man and the people who hired the people to run TNA, and the people running TNA, are not.

And lets not go overboard here with Dreamer. He shouldn't be pushed major anymore, I agree with you there, but he was much more to ECW than some guy working in the back and selling T-Shirts out of his truck. Tommy Dreamer was the embodiment of ECW. He, along with Sandman, Raven, Funk, Sabu, and Douglas were exactly what ECW was all about.

Tommy Dreamer was a top performer in ECW for it's entire run as a company. He was to the ECW fans what AJ Styles is to the TNA fans. He was their guy. Their top man. They loved him. He meant the world to the ECW faithful.

So lets not go overboard here and short change what he meant to ECW even though he shouldn't be anything big in TNA at this point. He was so much more than just some backstage guy for the 3rd largest promotion for 4 years.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I'll tackle the WWE part in a minute but I can answer the bolded part pretty easily.

Due to the people that TNA has running their company being completely useless this is the way they operate. Hogan once got WCW super over, and winning the ratings every week, cause he was the lead heel of the best heel thing going. It was mega over and drew money.

So the TNA leaders now (Russo, Hogan, Bish) get together and think "Hey Hogan drew big as a lead heel in WCW. Lets do that again!"

It goes right along with their silly repackaging, once more, of the 4 Horseman idea, in a new form, or when they basically were doing the Millionares vs. The New Blood (Those were the WCW names), trying to package AJ as the new Flair, and some of the other stuff that they've done that just smacks of old, retread, stuff. Which is a Russo specialty, btw. Watch some old WCW stuff (i'm sure you have) but you'll see his finger prints all over that with his attempts to make clones of WWE stars out of WCW guys by giving them the same type of gimmick.

So that's why they've done that with Hogan. Without a doubt. The last part of that where you're saying he should mentor....lol. That's hilarious. Apparently you don't know much about Hogan but he's not into mentoring, or getting people over, cause Hogan is a leech whose all about Hogan and what he has to do to further his money. nothing else.


Which brings me to the WWE part. There is a big reason the WWE only brings him back for small rounds, and in small doses, because you know what you're getting with Hogan. You're getting a much older, no longer useful, performer who isn't going to be willing to put anyone else over and you're only going to want to use him for short term boosts of shows. Nothing else.

Vince knows this better than anyone else and that's why you don't see Hogan back in the WWE for really extended periods or in important roles. Because Vince, rather people like him or not, is a smart business man and the people who hired the people to run TNA, and the people running TNA, are not.

And lets not go overboard here with Dreamer. He shouldn't be pushed major anymore, I agree with you there, but he was much more to ECW than some guy working in the back and selling T-Shirts out of his truck. Tommy Dreamer was the embodiment of ECW. He, along with Sandman, Raven, Funk, Sabu, and Douglas were exactly what ECW was all about.

Tommy Dreamer was a top performer in ECW for it's entire run as a company. He was to the ECW fans what AJ Styles is to the TNA fans. He was their guy. Their top man. They loved him. He meant the world to the ECW faithful.

So lets not go overboard here and short change what he meant to ECW even though he shouldn't be anything big in TNA at this point. He was so much more than just some backstage guy for the 3rd largest promotion for 4 years.

I'd argue RVD was the "embodiment" of ECW, but that may also be because of WWE booking him as that during the ECW revival...


Hogan in WWE, your right.. Small doses.

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The single biggest pop of all time. Bigger than the rock returning this year, but that was also over a TV screen the first time so that probably made it smaller than it would've been..

Hogan in WWE, showing up 2 times a year (which is exactly how WWE would use him) would be hugely beneficial to the company, would be the same thing if TNA used him like that. but they wouldn.t

[Romo 2 Austin]

RVD and Dreamer are shells of their former selves. RVD doesn't deserve to be in the main event picture at all. He gets winded after about 2 minutes. He doesn't have the same quickness or agility that made him as good as he was. He's done unless he actually works to get back in shape. I don't care for him right now.

Fully agree, but when he came in boy was it exciting. Bringing him in was the right move, but he hasn't lived up to the hype.

Dreamer, he came in out of shape and brings nothing to the table anymore. Was a bad move.

[Phoenix]

Dear Heavens. Watching TNA right now for the first time in many years, and wow, really sad to see how low the former Karen Angle has gone. I guess that's all for real then? She actually left Kurt for Jeff? It's like the whole Macho Man, Miss Elizabeth, Hulk Hogan thing all over again to my untrained eye, at first glance. Really pathetic. (Karen, I mean)

[big dog cowboy]

RVD and Dreamer are shells of their former selves. RVD doesn't deserve to be in the main event picture at all. He gets winded after about 2 minutes. He doesn't have the same quickness or agility that made him as good as he was. He's done unless he actually works to get back in shape. I don't care for him right now.

I saw RVD the other night and was really surprised. To say he has slipped is a big understatement. Very disappointing.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Dear Heavens. Watching TNA right now for the first time in many years, and wow, really sad to see how low the former Karen Angle has gone. I guess that's all for real then? She actually left Kurt for Jeff? It's like the whole Macho Man, Miss Elizabeth, Hulk Hogan thing all over again to my untrained eye, at first glance. Really pathetic. (Karen, I mean)

Vince Russo loves booking angles that have reallism to it.

[RoyTheHammer]

Vince Russo loves booking angles that have reallism to it.

He's an idiot.. that being said, the beginning of the program wasn't half bad. Last week was good. I just can't take Hogan and Bischoff anymore.

[BraveHeartFan]

I'd argue RVD was the "embodiment" of ECW, but that may also be because of WWE booking him as that during the ECW revival...


Hogan in WWE, your right.. Small doses.

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The single biggest pop of all time. Bigger than the rock returning this year, but that was also over a TV screen the first time so that probably made it smaller than it would've been..

Hogan in WWE, showing up 2 times a year (which is exactly how WWE would use him) would be hugely beneficial to the company, would be the same thing if TNA used him like that. but they wouldn.t

Exactly. In small doses Hogan could be benefitial to them. It won't happen in TNA though cause they're ran by weak minded morons.

But you're right on RVD to some extent as well. He was the embodiement of ECW in many ways after he got there as well. No doubt about that.

But my main point was that Dreamer was their guy. He was who they loved the most and who they viewed as their man.



He's an idiot.. that being said, the beginning of the program wasn't half bad. Last week was good. I just can't take Hogan and Bischoff anymore.

Can't blame you. I used to love Hogan and I've been sick of him for years now.

[DallasGirl50]

My hope is that Hogan never ever graces another WWE event...he is one of the lamest wrestlers ever. TNA can keep him....

[Phoenix]

Sounds to me like....Mike Tenay? (sp?) Taz? On the announce? Holy cow.

[RoyTheHammer]

Sounds to me like....Mike Tenay? (sp?) Taz? On the announce? Holy cow.

Yup, Tenay and Taz. Honestly i like them better than anyone the WWE has right now. They work well together.

[big dog cowboy]

My hope is that Hogan never ever graces another WWE event...he is one of the lamest wrestlers ever. TNA can keep him....

On the :money:

[Yakuza Rich]

That bolded part is so true it's not even funny. It's hilarious how so many people seem to forget or over look this fact.

Look back to WCW when it started getting it's *** handed to it. They still got the crowd to POP on a regular basis for certain guys. Hogan, Nash, Flair, Sting, Goldberg, would come out and they'd get their pops. No one denies that.

There's talent on TNA's roster. But they don't know how to sustain that talent in program after program so they keep their heat. Every time somebody starts getting heat, they get bogged down with having to job for Jarrett or look weak for Hogan in an angle or whatever.

Russo doesn't understand basic, time tested fundamentals of booking. How to build up a character...how to sustain their heat over time...how to get the big money match main event. It's all about pops and ain't about cash.

So guys like Nash, Hogan, Jarrett and Flair get over and guys like Abyss and Samoa get over for awhile...then lose their heat..then have to build it up again, only to job to idiots like Nash who couldn't draw if they could levitate and pass out $20 bills.

I'd like to see TNA succeed. WWE does almost nothing to interest me. But the guys running thing...Bischoff and Russo...just ain't the right people for the job.



YR

[RoyTheHammer]

Exactly. In small doses Hogan could be benefitial to them. It won't happen in TNA though cause they're ran by weak minded morons.

Easy there killer lol.

I actually think TNA is taking steps, baby steps mind you, but steps in the right direction. They've kind of brought an edge back to the program lately, and i hope it stays that way. They still have alot of flaws, but i hope Foley gets more involved in creative, because they need help with storylines more than anything. As far as the feel or atmosphere of the program, i like where they are going with it.

[RoyTheHammer]

There's talent on TNA's roster. But they don't know how to sustain that talent in program after program so they keep their heat. Every time somebody starts getting heat, they get bogged down with having to job for Jarrett or look weak for Hogan in an angle or whatever.

Russo doesn't understand basic, time tested fundamentals of booking. How to build up a character...how to sustain their heat over time...how to get the big money match main event. It's all about pops and ain't about cash.

So guys like Nash, Hogan, Jarrett and Flair get over and guys like Abyss and Samoa get over for awhile...then lose their heat..then have to build it up again, only to job to idiots like Nash who couldn't draw if they could levitate and pass out $20 bills.

I'd like to see TNA succeed. WWE does almost nothing to interest me. But the guys running thing...Bischoff and Russo...just ain't the right people for the job.



YR

Um.. Nash can't draw?

:laugh2:



I agree with alot of your post, but that's just silly.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Exactly. In small doses Hogan could be benefitial to them. It won't happen in TNA though cause they're ran by weak minded morons.

But you're right on RVD to some extent as well. He was the embodiement of ECW in many ways after he got there as well. No doubt about that.

But my main point was that Dreamer was their guy. He was who they loved the most and who they viewed as their man.





Can't blame you. I used to love Hogan and I've been sick of him for years now.
A hyped "Hulk Hogan" return to Monday Night Raw would match or exceed the 3.8 rating "The Rock" drew. Hulk Hogan like it or not is a draw, when hyped he pumps up the TNA rating by .2-.4, RAW is on a bigger network combined with the WWE hype machine behind it he could probably pump it up a whole point, i wouldn't be surprised to see it exceed a 4.

You bring Hogan into the fold and combined with Austin & Rock they have the 3 biggest draws in the industry, and the hype to wrestlemania would easily pop over a 3.8-4.0.. Imagine how much a hyped Hogan-Austin confrontation would draw?

[Romo 2 Austin]

I saw RVD the other night and was really surprised. To say he has slipped is a big understatement. Very disappointing.

He just doesn't care, right after his title reign he seems to have lost all interest.. That match vs Sting at sacrifice was the first good showing from him since that ECW-Remake PPV last august. It's sad because when he is into it he is one of the top performers in the industry. Going back to WWE would be beneficial for him aswell.


and since I keep bringing up people switching, from WWE to TNA John Morrison & Daniel Bryan would benefit the most. Mainly because Bryan will never be used as anything better than a midcarder to put on great matches, like Chavo. Morrison may break through to the main event in WWE, but its unlikely because of the way they book he would most likely eventually endup back in the mid card, ala Sheamus, Swagger, Ziggler...TNA does a great job of keeping their main eventers, main eventers. When you look at it TNA has around 8-10 people they can plug into a main event feud with it being believeable... WWE has like 5-6 ATM. TNA has continued to build stars, even if it is just repackaged WWE guys, they do a good job of it, WWE builds a star and then tears them down.

TNA's 8-10:
AJ Styles, Bully Ray, Kurt Angle, Sting, Jeff Jarrett, Rob Van Dam, Mr.Anderson, Matt Morgan, Samoa Joe, 'The Pope' D'angelo Dinero, Robert Roode.

^ All would be accepted in a title feud without any further building up, and they are currently building up Crimson and he may endup being the biggest TNA star besides Styles if they continue to do this well booking him, you could also argue Christopher Daniels & Matt Hardy, and once Jeff Hardy returns he'll be accepted by the fans in a minute


WWE's:

John Cena, Randy Orton, CM Punk, The Miz & R-Truth
are atm the only 5 that would be accepted without any further pushing, R-Truth has gotten himself as quick as Stone Cold did after the 3:16 promo. Great work by him.

WWE has guys they could get over as main eventers again, Del Joke, Sheamus, Christian, Morrison etc; but they always seem to pull back right before they pull the trigger on it.

[RoyTheHammer]

Crazy how no one has mentioned this yet.. but the absolute most annoying thing about TNA right now, imo?

These little personal interviews they do with just the guy and a camera. They do it ALLLL the time. Before matches, after matches.. its soooo lame. Please stop. Please. Stop.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Crazy how no one has mentioned this yet.. but the absolute most annoying thing about TNA right now, imo?

These little personal interviews they do with just the guy and a camera. They do it ALLLL the time. Before matches, after matches.. its soooo lame. Please stop. Please. Stop.

I actually enjoy that, a TON. It gives a different perspective of the performer, and its something WWE doesn't do and it makes them different. They should keep doing it IMO.

[RoyTheHammer]

I actually enjoy that, a TON. It gives a different perspective of the performer, and its something WWE doesn't do and it makes them different. They should keep doing it IMO.

Dude, its sooo lame. lol

[Romo 2 Austin]

Dude, its sooo lame. lol

With some people it's good, Jeff Hardy was fantastic at it. Kendrick is fantastic at it. Beer Money is fantastic. Bully Ray aswell.

Some performers, people with less "over-the-top" charisma it is boring. Sting for example, he's decent on the mic but is pretty boring during those promos, same with Styles, Daniels etc;


but overall I like the concept, but instead of doing it for every match they should do it for big matches, like the main event or a title match.

[Yakuza Rich]

Um.. Nash can't draw?

:laugh2:



I agree with alot of your post, but that's just silly.

He was the lowest drawing WWF champion in history.






YR

[Yakuza Rich]

I actually enjoy that, a TON. It gives a different perspective of the performer, and its something WWE doesn't do and it makes them different. They should keep doing it IMO.

I actually like them as well. I prefer the old days of guys cutting a promo, but so many wrestlers these days either can't cut a promo or because it's so tightly scripted it comes off as unnatural and mechanical.





YR

[zrinkill]

Crazy how no one has mentioned this yet.. but the absolute most annoying thing about TNA right now, imo?

These little personal interviews they do with just the guy and a camera. They do it ALLLL the time. Before matches, after matches.. its soooo lame. Please stop. Please. Stop.

There is so much wrong over there ...... that is way down the list for me.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I actually like them as well. I prefer the old days of guys cutting a promo, but so many wrestlers these days either can't cut a promo or because it's so tightly scripted it comes off as unnatural and mechanical.





YR

What TNA should do, is watch WWE progaming and say, ok they run a dumb angle every week with 4 people claiming they deserve a title shot.. Let's do the oppisite and kick it off with a strong in ring match and send Daniels and Pope out there to tear the house down... WWE has no tag division, lets rebuild ours... WWE has virtually no good in ring matches outside of Daniel Bryans performances (not because the wrestlers can't, but their not allowed), lets send our insanely talented roster out there to tear the house down... WWE has no blood, lets have atleast 1 guy blade every week... WWE has no curses, lets have a ton of curses...


They should just become the oppositie.

[Yakuza Rich]

What TNA should do, is watch WWE progaming and say, ok they run a dumb angle every week with 4 people claiming they deserve a title shot..

There's a lot of things TNA needs to do. They need to get rid of guys like Nash. Pro Wrestling is largely about *constantly* developing new stars. Somebody like Sting is a good guy to have around because he's over, the fans still have interest in him, and he's willing to give the younger guys the rub to get them over. Guys like Nash and Jarrett are too worried about keeping their spot. That doesn't help the company.

The reason why the WWE overtook WCW was they had Austin, Foley and the Rock as the top guys. HHH was just below the top of the card and really didn't have quite the influence he does today. I know you like Michaels, but he was a tough guy for other wrestlers to work with and he was on the shelf (and he did do a great job in his fued with Austin before taking time off).

So you had Austin, Foley and the Rock...all 3 guys extremely well liked by the rest of the roster, 3 guys that would put over a tree in their backyard and 3 guys that really knew wrestling and were entertaining in the ring. Versus the nWo where Nash, Hall and Hogan were famous for their powerplays. Bischoff was too big of a mark to keep them in check. And just a bunch of other bad attitudes as well and meanwhile talents like Jericho were nothing more than mid-carders (who went to the WWE and instantly became more popular and drew higher ratings than the nWo).

I don't watch a lot of TNA, but they have talent on the roster. I think Abyss is really, really talented. I think he has 'monster heel' written all over him and he can work and work the mic. Monster heels have always been great at drawing money. But, Russo doesn't understand that. He thinks that is 'too old school wrestlng.' He doesn't understand time tested booking like having a wrestler start off winning the tag titles...then moving to the TV belt...then moving to the Heavyweight belt. Instead, he hot-shots everything. There's no build to the character. That's how Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels developed their characters and their following.

Hart started winnign the tag titles with Jim Neidhart. Michaels was with the Rockers. Hart won the I-C title and had some great feuds with guys like Bad News Brown. Michales had his I-C title run. Then when it appeared that they still had their heat even after losing the I-C title, they put the heavyweight title. And remember, back then Hart and Michaels were pretty small guys for the WWF Heavyweight Title. But, the build of their characters was there and they still had heat on them.

The titles are very important because they develop the character.

I honestly think some fundamental, time tested booking mixed with some new age characters and promotion...that alone would be very different from the WWE.

They also need to develop better theme music for wrestlers. There's is beyond awful. Hogan is friends with Jimmy Hart, can't imagine why he's not in charge of the music.










YR

[RoyTheHammer]

He was the lowest drawing WWF champion in history.






YR

He was one of the biggest draws of all time with his Outsiders and then NWO and then Wolf Pac gimmicks. He helped WCW become big enough to challange and defeat WWF in the ratings, he was a big reason for that.

[RoyTheHammer]

What TNA should do, is watch WWE progaming and say, ok they run a dumb angle every week with 4 people claiming they deserve a title shot.. Let's do the oppisite and kick it off with a strong in ring match and send Daniels and Pope out there to tear the house down... WWE has no tag division, lets rebuild ours... WWE has virtually no good in ring matches outside of Daniel Bryans performances (not because the wrestlers can't, but their not allowed), lets send our insanely talented roster out there to tear the house down... WWE has no blood, lets have atleast 1 guy blade every week... WWE has no curses, lets have a ton of curses...


They should just become the oppositie.

They are doing all that, btw.

[zrinkill]

They are doing all that, btw.

Yup ...... most of it.

The other opposite thing they are doing is not drawing money or ratings.

:D

[Romo 2 Austin]

They are doing all that, btw.

recently they have, last year they were literally copying everything WWE did, even a few months back they were.


Now TNA's product has been getting really hot with the "iMPACT Wrestling" re-branding, you've got a ton of feuds with older veterans putting over younger guys. The Flair-Roode upcoming feud will be fantastic mic work, im excited... Aslong as the younger guys win all these feuds, or most of them atleast, and then become the focal point of the show its a great plan.. If the older guys squash the younger guys than they've gone crazy.

The Kendrick-Bischoff stuff has been insanely interesting, I died laughing when Kendrick went "I think you forgot someone.." "eric, you forgot me.." it was hilarious. Kendrick appeared to be really into his promo, and I love that.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Yup ...... most of it.

The other opposite thing they are doing is not drawing money or ratings.

:D

Except its a top 10 rated cable show on Thursdays, the highest rated show on Spike over UFC and is borderline profitability as they became profitable before all the big aquistations last year, and have now been drawing bigger house show crowds and drawing much bigger crowds for their ppvs.

[RoyTheHammer]

Yup ...... most of it.

The other opposite thing they are doing is not drawing money or ratings.

:D

The last two weeks they put out a better product than the WWE did. Im not really concerned with what the masses want.. because the WWE today is mostly pathetic compared to what it used to be. There are a couple guys who i like, but even they are watered down in the land of "PG" and "respect".

"Hey man, i may not like you but gollygee i respect you".

"Hey man, i respect you too..and its gonna be a great match".

"Yeahhhh!"


:(

[RoyTheHammer]

recently they have, last year they were literally copying everything WWE did, even a few months back they were.


Now TNA's product has been getting really hot with the "iMPACT Wrestling" re-branding, you've got a ton of feuds with older veterans putting over younger guys. The Flair-Roode upcoming feud will be fantastic mic work, im excited... Aslong as the younger guys win all these feuds, or most of them atleast, and then become the focal point of the show its a great plan.. If the older guys squash the younger guys than they've gone crazy.

The Kendrick-Bischoff stuff has been insanely interesting, I died laughing when Kendrick went "I think you forgot someone.." "eric, you forgot me.." it was hilarious. Kendrick appeared to be really into his promo, and I love that.

Kendrick is pretty decent on the mic.

As for promos, i do enjoy them and i think they are vital.

However, the style of the "personal sit downs" that TNA is doing just doesn't appeal to me. Just get one good personality like a "Mean Gene" to do the interviews so its not just a camera and the wrestler. Its just so lame, especially since most of the guys just make it cliche and awkward. Sting sucks at it, as does RVD, Angle isn't that great at that style of promo, its just an awkward thing really.

[zrinkill]

The last two weeks they put out a better product than the WWE did.


Do not agree at all.

Heck ..... the Orton and Christian matches by themselves out did anything TNA tried.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Kendrick is pretty decent on the mic.

As for promos, i do enjoy them and i think they are vital.

However, the style of the "personal sit downs" that TNA is doing just doesn't appeal to me. Just get one good personality like a "Mean Gene" to do the interviews so its not just a camera and the wrestler. Its just so lame, especially since most of the guys just make it cliche and awkward. Sting sucks at it, as does RVD, Angle isn't that great at that style of promo, its just an awkward thing really.

but as I mentioned, some performers are muchhh better at it than traditional promos, Jeff Hardy for example. I'd say Beer Money too, but their great at any promo. Kendrick too, and Abyss is horid in traditional promos, but those backstage things he is pretty good at.


& Kendrick is probably the most misused talent in the entire industry over the past few years, this is the guy that as "The" Brian Kendrick could've walked out of Unforgiven 2008 as the WWE champion and no one would've said a boo about it, he was so over it was ridiculous and it happened quickly, ala R-Truth this year. I feel they'll make the same mistake with him they made with Kendrick.

[Romo 2 Austin]

The last two weeks they put out a better product than the WWE did. Im not really concerned with what the masses want.. because the WWE today is mostly pathetic compared to what it used to be. There are a couple guys who i like, but even they are watered down in the land of "PG" and "respect".

"Hey man, i may not like you but gollygee i respect you".

"Hey man, i respect you too..and its gonna be a great match".

"Yeahhhh!"


:(
I hate those programs, it only works when its two legends that can still go, ala Triple H and Undertaker. It's stupid when two 30 year olds do it.


& I totally agree, the last two weeks of TNA have probably been the best wrestling TV programs of the year excluding WWE's buildup to Wrestlemania. You've had great promos, great angles and great in ring matches and beginning of a ton of interesting feuds, and finally the end of Angle-Jarrett is in sight. I don't want to be premature in saying this, but if TNA continues like this it'll easily regain its reputation as the better of the two products, that it held from like 2005-2007ish.

[RoyTheHammer]

Do not agree at all.

Really? That's suprising..

:laugh2:

[zrinkill]

Really? That's suprising..

Like you and the kid agreeing on how awesome TNA is.

Of course you are the only ones.

[RoyTheHammer]

I hate those programs, it only works when its two legends that can still go, ala Triple H and Undertaker. It's stupid when two 30 year olds do it.

Yup, it works when two people who have earned respect do it, like HHH and Taker, as you said.

It doesn't work when you do it every single week just to foster a family friendly environment for your audience.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Like you and the kid agreeing on how awesome TNA is.

Of course you are the only ones.

I'd bet most of the people that post in these threads stopped watching TNA... The last 2 weeks have been outstanding. Your the one who accepts everything Vince shoves down the audiences throat, when Mason Ryan inevitably gets the world title you'll be singing his praises about how great he is.... When really he is just as bad as Del Rio.

[RoyTheHammer]

Like you and the kid agreeing on how awesome TNA is.

Of course you are the only ones.

Actually i've pointed out TNA's flaws many a time, as i've done with the WWE as well. I've been objective about both companies. Making a statement that i've preferred one product over the other the past two weeks doesn't change that.

You on the other hand have been anti TNA about everything and sing the praises of the WWE constantly. So say what you'd like about it.

[zrinkill]

I've been objective about both companies.

:lmao:

Right.

So has the kid.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Actually i've pointed out TNA's flaws many a time, as i've done with the WWE as well. I've been objective about both companies. Making a statement that i've preferred one product over the other the past two weeks doesn't change that.

You on the other hand have been anti TNA about everything and sing the praises of the WWE constantly. So say what you'd like about it.

I've also said plenty of negative things about TNA & WWE aswell. Zrinkill has said NOTHING positive about TNA besides Kurt Angle, and even after that he buried it by saying Angle is declining and misused in TNA, when he has arguably been the best used main event performer in the industry over the past few years, he's always seen as a main eventer and he is not shoved down your throat for 2/3 of every episode like John Cena and Randy Orton are in WWE.

[Romo 2 Austin]

:lmao:

Right.

So has the kid.

Thanks for noticing. :rolleyes:

[RoyTheHammer]

I've also said plenty of negative things about TNA & WWE aswell. Zrinkill has said NOTHING positive about TNA besides Kurt Angle, and even after that he buried it by saying Angle is declining and misused in TNA, when he has arguably been the best used main event performer in the industry over the past few years, he's always seen as a main eventer and he is not shoved down your throat for 2/3 of every episode like John Cena and Randy Orton are in WWE.

Most of us here know.. he likes to get his troll on every now and then.

[zrinkill]

You on the other hand have been anti TNA about everything

Not even close.

I like
Angle
Beautiful people
Ken Kennedy
The Pope
Dudley boys
Awesome Kong when she was there
Tazz as an announcer

Have said that many times ..... to your claims of bias in fact.

I am not gonna claim TNA is a good company just to impress the fanBoys like you guys.

[zrinkill]

Most of us here know..

You mean you two?

because everyone here knows what you Both are.

[Romo 2 Austin]

You mean you two?

because everyone here knows what you Both are.

how are we fanboys because we don't like what Vince shoves down our throats like you do? If anything you are a WWE fanboy since you've never said anything negative about them

[zrinkill]

Somebody tell the kid I have had him on ignore for weeks over his Dez Bryant stupidity if he is trying to argue with me.

[RoyTheHammer]

You mean you two?

because everyone here knows what you Both are.

Actually most in this thread have been able to discuss the postives and negatives of both companies with me in an objective manner, without just laughing off one company and claiming the other is gold.

Troll on..

[Romo 2 Austin]

Somebody tell the kid I have had him on ignore for weeks over his Dez Bryant stupidity if he is trying to argue with me.

I have you on ignore aswell, over your TNA ignorance but the stuff you post in the wrestling threads are so hilarious I find the need to click "View Post".

[RoyTheHammer]

I like
Ken Kennedy.

He even refers to the things he "likes" about the company as their WWE form.

:laugh2:

[zrinkill]

Actually most in this thread have been able to discuss the postives and negatives of both companies with me in an objective manner

Well you are still tiffed at me over your Romo trolling ...... so you are not near as willing to Be civil.

So continue defending trash.

[zrinkill]

He even refers to the things he "likes" about the company as their WWE form.

:laugh2:

So you did not refer to Kharma as Kong?

Or do you just prefer fat girl?

:laugh2:

[RoyTheHammer]

So you did not refer to Kharma as Kong?

Or do you just prefer fat girl?

:laugh2:

Actually for the past week or so i've refered to her as either Kharma or fat chick when i've posted about her.

Both of which are accurate, btw.

[zrinkill]

Well she has Been in WWE since last November ..... But anyway.

Thank you for making this morning go By fast RoyTheHammer.

I am sending my guys home early today paid so they can have an even extra long weekend.

Will Be Back on tonight.

[RoyTheHammer]

Well you are still tiffed at me over your Romo trolling ...... so you are not near as willing to Be civil.

So continue defending trash.

Im civil with everyone who can speak about topics objectively.. you don't qualify at times. Consider statements like the last sentance of this quote.

[Yakuza Rich]

He was one of the biggest draws of all time with his Outsiders and then NWO and then Wolf Pac gimmicks. He helped WCW become big enough to challange and defeat WWF in the ratings, he was a big reason for that.

And then the company went on to lose $80 million.





YR

[RoyTheHammer]

And then the company went on to lose $80 million.
YR

Ah.. so that was because of the NWO?

Russo was the downfall of that company.

[zrinkill]

you don't qualify at times.

Pot meet Kettle.

[BraveHeartFan]

A hyped "Hulk Hogan" return to Monday Night Raw would match or exceed the 3.8 rating "The Rock" drew. Hulk Hogan like it or not is a draw, when hyped he pumps up the TNA rating by .2-.4, RAW is on a bigger network combined with the WWE hype machine behind it he could probably pump it up a whole point, i wouldn't be surprised to see it exceed a 4.

You bring Hogan into the fold and combined with Austin & Rock they have the 3 biggest draws in the industry, and the hype to wrestlemania would easily pop over a 3.8-4.0.. Imagine how much a hyped Hogan-Austin confrontation would draw?

Agreed. Because they'd do it for a short term program, with no thought what so ever to Hogan being the major player of the card or near the title. He got his final "thank you" title run from the WWE several years ago and he'll never be near their major title again.

They do a great job with him, and others, of bringing back older stars for nostaligic reasons and not going overboard with it.

Something TNA can learn from and hopefully will.


Ah.. so that was because of the NWO?

Russo was the downfall of that company.

Actually in part...yes.

Russo was the major downfall, and that's for sure, but they were in trouble before he came to and he wasn't the only reason after he did.

Eric started the problem by allowing guys like Hall, Nash, and Hogan to basically have complete creative control over their programs and thus the nWo thing went on way to long and those guys were pretty much allowed to do anything they wanted.

So Russo was the killing blow, for sure, but Hogan/Nash/Bish were just as instrumental, along with others of course, in the death of WCW.

[RoyTheHammer]

Agreed. Because they'd do it for a short term program, with no thought what so ever to Hogan being the major player of the card or near the title. He got his final "thank you" title run from the WWE several years ago and he'll never be near their major title again.

They do a great job with him, and others, of bringing back older stars for nostaligic reasons and not going overboard with it.

Something TNA can learn from and hopefully will.




Actually in part...yes.

Russo was the major downfall, and that's for sure, but they were in trouble before he came to and he wasn't the only reason after he did.

Eric started the problem by allowing guys like Hall, Nash, and Hogan to basically have complete creative control over their programs and thus the nWo thing went on way to long and those guys were pretty much allowed to do anything they wanted.

So Russo was the killing blow, for sure, but Hogan/Nash/Bish were just as instrumental, along with others of course, in the death of WCW.

I don't believe they were as big a part of it.. not for one second. Russo and his ridiculous booking was the major problem with that program. When Nash and Hogan had control, yes they did alot for themselves, but the program was still entertaining to me. Still enjoyed the NWO.. but when Russo started coming up with all that embarassing crap and the end of WCW's run, i just lost all hope.

[BraveHeartFan]

I don't believe they were as big a part of it.. not for one second. Russo and his ridiculous booking was the major problem with that program. When Nash and Hogan had control, yes they did alot for themselves, but the program was still entertaining to me. Still enjoyed the NWO.. but when Russo started coming up with all that embarassing crap and the end of WCW's run, i just lost all hope.


I can understand that but I've seen plenty of interviews from Bishoff, Hogan, and Nash (Nash especially in shoot interviews) where they've all talked about how those things also contributed to the downfall.

They weren't the death blow, like I said, but they were some of the biggest reasons that WCW felt they needed to bring Russo in to try and save a show that was already starting to lose in the ratings and going backwards.


Not to mention their contracts (and not just theirs mind you but lots of guys) were a big part of the reason WCW started losing money when they started losing in the ratings, especially after Russo came in.


I was watching the thing on the Rise and Fall of WCW and Big Show commented about how one of the biggest mistakes Bish made was that he allowed wrestlers (Hall and Nash in particular) to put into their contracts that only certain teir wrestlers could make more then them. Like Hogan for example.

So when WCW would sign other talent, such as Bret Hart, then Hall and Nash both received immediate pay increases due to the fact that Hart couldn't be make more money than they could.

Decisions like that, along with allowing people, even a Hogan or Nash or insert big name star, to put that they had complete creative control over their characters are death sentences to a company in the long run.

Bisch did a lot of great stuff for WCW, without a doubt, and along with those big stars was HUGE in making them as popular as they were, but his bad business moves were also things that cameback to bite him, and the company, in the ***. Those moves directly led to something like Russo being hired in the first place.


All around not good for WCW in that sense.


With all that said don't get me wrong I still think WCW did some really great stuff, even when they sucked, and those guys had entertaining shows. But they're just as much a reason, as any, that they started losing the ratings, thus profits, thus the closing.

[RoyTheHammer]

I can understand that but I've seen plenty of interviews from Bishoff, Hogan, and Nash (Nash especially in shoot interviews) where they've all talked about how those things also contributed to the downfall.

They weren't the death blow, like I said, but they were some of the biggest reasons that WCW felt they needed to bring Russo in to try and save a show that was already starting to lose in the ratings and going backwards.


Not to mention their contracts (and not just theirs mind you but lots of guys) were a big part of the reason WCW started losing money when they started losing in the ratings, especially after Russo came in.


I was watching the thing on the Rise and Fall of WCW and Big Show commented about how one of the biggest mistakes Bish made was that he allowed wrestlers (Hall and Nash in particular) to put into their contracts that only certain teir wrestlers could make more then them. Like Hogan for example.

So when WCW would sign other talent, such as Bret Hart, then Hall and Nash both received immediate pay increases due to the fact that Hart couldn't be make more money than they could.

Decisions like that, along with allowing people, even a Hogan or Nash or insert big name star, to put that they had complete creative control over their characters are death sentences to a company in the long run.

Bisch did a lot of great stuff for WCW, without a doubt, and along with those big stars was HUGE in making them as popular as they were, but his bad business moves were also things that cameback to bite him, and the company, in the ***. Those moves directly led to something like Russo being hired in the first place.


All around not good for WCW in that sense.


With all that said don't get me wrong I still think WCW did some really great stuff, even when they sucked, and those guys had entertaining shows. But they're just as much a reason, as any, that they started losing the ratings, thus profits, thus the closing.

Good points. Can't argue with that.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I don't believe they were as big a part of it.. not for one second. Russo and his ridiculous booking was the major problem with that program. When Nash and Hogan had control, yes they did alot for themselves, but the program was still entertaining to me. Still enjoyed the NWO.. but when Russo started coming up with all that embarassing crap and the end of WCW's run, i just lost all hope.

Well it's both, Russo could've and did book the program into oblivion but it still was drawing a 2.2+ rating weekly, if not more. It would've been profitable if you removed the ridiculous contracts people like Bret Hart, Nash, Hogan, DDP, Sting, Hall, Flair etc; had. The only guy they had that deserved the money they got was Goldberg as he was the only home made draw they established.


Look at it this way, Hall and Nash had it in their contracts that the only person that could be paid more then them was Hogan, Bret Hart was signed for a reported 2.5 million a year(correct me if im wrong, I may be but thats the number in my head and I believe its right.) so your looking at both Nash and Hall making more than that, and Hogan making more than that...


So Hogan, Nash, Hall and Hart combined for ATLEAST $10Million per year... In comparison WWE's ENTIRE roster, including FCW talents make $15million a year now... Plus bonus's.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Agreed. Because they'd do it for a short term program, with no thought what so ever to Hogan being the major player of the card or near the title. He got his final "thank you" title run from the WWE several years ago and he'll never be near their major title again.

They do a great job with him, and others, of bringing back older stars for nostaligic reasons and not going overboard with it.

Something TNA can learn from and hopefully will.


Most likely he would never hold the title, but Vince understands business and a Hogan v. Cena match for the WWE title would draw huge money, he wouldn't put it on a WM, but he would probably stick that on a SummerSlam or a Survivor Series and enjoy an extra hundred thousand buys... People crap on TNA for angling Hogan for a title shot, but you know what, aslong as he doesn't win the title its good business, why leave millions of dollars on the table? A Hogan title shot would draw TNA atleast an extra 20,000-40,000 buys, and then DVD sales of people in a store saying Hogan challenging say, Sting for the world title? I'ma buy that I remember those guys.. Then T-Shirt's, etc;.. The best way to do it money wise is to have Hogan as the face vs a heel Anderson. As you need Hogan as the face to maximize drawing in todays age, so putting him vs Styles would idiotic.

[Hostile]

I have you on ignore aswell, over your TNA ignorance but the stuff you post in the wrestling threads are so hilarious I find the need to click "View Post".
If you had him on ignore, you couldn't see the post you're quoting here and wouldn't know that he has you on ignore. Ignore is an actual feature on this forum that masks the posts of those you just flat out are tired of. He is apparently tired of you.

[Romo 2 Austin]

If you had him on ignore, you couldn't see the post you're quoting here and wouldn't know that he has you on ignore. Ignore is an actual feature on this forum that masks the posts of those you just flat out are tired of. He is apparently tired of you.

This message is hidden because zrinkill is on your ignore list.

There is an option in the top right part of posts... "View Post"... In these forums his posts are so one sided I find them funny so I always endup clicking it.

[BraveHeartFan]

Well it's both, Russo could've and did book the program into oblivion but it still was drawing a 2.2+ rating weekly, if not more. It would've been profitable if you removed the ridiculous contracts people like Bret Hart, Nash, Hogan, DDP, Sting, Hall, Flair etc; had. The only guy they had that deserved the money they got was Goldberg as he was the only home made draw they established.


Look at it this way, Hall and Nash had it in their contracts that the only person that could be paid more then them was Hogan, Bret Hart was signed for a reported 2.5 million a year(correct me if im wrong, I may be but thats the number in my head and I believe its right.) so your looking at both Nash and Hall making more than that, and Hogan making more than that...


So Hogan, Nash, Hall and Hart combined for ATLEAST $10Million per year... In comparison WWE's ENTIRE roster, including FCW talents make $15million a year now... Plus bonus's.

2.5 is pretty close. It was between 2.5 and 3 million a year. I remember Hart talking about how it was the one thing that WCW did well for him was they paid him really well, to not use him properly.



Most likely he would never hold the title, but Vince understands business and a Hogan v. Cena match for the WWE title would draw huge money, he wouldn't put it on a WM, but he would probably stick that on a SummerSlam or a Survivor Series and enjoy an extra hundred thousand buys... People crap on TNA for angling Hogan for a title shot, but you know what, aslong as he doesn't win the title its good business, why leave millions of dollars on the table? A Hogan title shot would draw TNA atleast an extra 20,000-40,000 buys, and then DVD sales of people in a store saying Hogan challenging say, Sting for the world title? I'ma buy that I remember those guys.. Then T-Shirt's, etc;.. The best way to do it money wise is to have Hogan as the face vs a heel Anderson. As you need Hogan as the face to maximize drawing in todays age, so putting him vs Styles would idiotic.

I agree with you, I do. Except one little problem. It's very hard, downright impossible most of the time really, to get Hogan to agree to put anyone over. No matter who they are.

If you look at Hogan's career, and think about it really hard, you'll find a glaring fact. The dude simply doesn't put folks over.

In his entire career the only people he put over, to help make them a mega star, were The Ultimate Warrior, Brock Lesnar and Goldberg. In Warriors case he was already huge and that was the move to make him MEGA huge. Unfortunately Warrior was a headcase and it backfired.

Goldberg was a nice touch but AGAIN WCW booking, Hogan being part of that, screwed WCW and Goldberg in a way, by giving that way on free TV with pretty much zero build up to the match. If I recall correctly they announced on Thunder one Thursday that the following Monday Goldberg, who JJ Dillion deemed the #1 Contender, would face Hulk Hogan for the World Title.

That was litterally the entire build. That should have been, and in any sane company would have been, a major PPV Main event that was really built. That could have drawn enormous numbers, and they screwed it up.

Brock he put over nice and clean to put Brock over as a mauling, dominate, heel and it was the last true act of professionalism by Hogan.


The only other person I can think of that he's bothered to put over cleaning, without a fuss, was The Rock and The Rock was already a mega star and didn't need to beat him to be one of the most over wrestlers ever.


Hogan will not be facing Cena for a WWE title because Hogan has proven, many many many times over in fact, in his career that he's not about business and he's all about Terry.

For ****** Sakes the dude was nothing more an a semi-part time wrestler in WWE when he faced HBK, who was a full time wrestler, and he absolutely refused to put him over. That was after agreeing to a 2 match deal where they'd each go over once. If I recall correctly initially HBK was supposed to go over the first time but Hulk balked on that so they switched it to Hogan going over the first time and then when that was over Hogan refused to do the second one and put HBK over.

he decided that simply shaking HBK's hand at the end of the match would be putting him over enough cause, again, that's how Hogan does business. Which is, again, why Hogan isn't really worth all that much to a company anymore as anything more than a very short term, nothing major, role.

in fact I think I wouldn't mind him in the role he's in with TNA if they did it to where he wasn't the leader of any faction and was only on TV 1 or 2 times a month, tops. Then he'd be fine in the role they have for him.

Anything more than that is a waste of time with Hogan cause it's only a matter of time before his massive ego gets in the way and he starts demanding title runs and BS like that.

I also agree with you that putting him against Styles would be idiotic but not just because of the face issue (which is more than issue enough) but because Hogan is so friggen bad in the ring that AJ would have an impossible time getting a good match out of him. That thing would stink the joint up. It would just be embarrassing and I'd feel very sorry for AJ Styles being screwed over in that manner.

[Hostile]

There is an option in the top right part of posts... "View Post"... In these forums his posts are so one sided I find them funny so I always endup clicking it.Then you aren't really ignoring him. Since I can't put people on Ignore, I did not know of that feature.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Then you aren't really ignoring him. Since I can't put people on Ignore, I did not know of that feature.

Well not in these threads, but in the football threads I do.

[Romo 2 Austin]

2.5 is pretty close. It was between 2.5 and 3 million a year. I remember Hart talking about how it was the one thing that WCW did well for him was they paid him really well, to not use him properly.





I agree with you, I do. Except one little problem. It's very hard, downright impossible most of the time really, to get Hogan to agree to put anyone over. No matter who they are.

If you look at Hogan's career, and think about it really hard, you'll find a glaring fact. The dude simply doesn't put folks over.

In his entire career the only people he put over, to help make them a mega star, were The Ultimate Warrior, Brock Lesnar and Goldberg. In Warriors case he was already huge and that was the move to make him MEGA huge. Unfortunately Warrior was a headcase and it backfired.

Goldberg was a nice touch but AGAIN WCW booking, Hogan being part of that, screwed WCW and Goldberg in a way, by giving that way on free TV with pretty much zero build up to the match. If I recall correctly they announced on Thunder one Thursday that the following Monday Goldberg, who JJ Dillion deemed the #1 Contender, would face Hulk Hogan for the World Title.

That was litterally the entire build. That should have been, and in any sane company would have been, a major PPV Main event that was really built. That could have drawn enormous numbers, and they screwed it up.

Brock he put over nice and clean to put Brock over as a mauling, dominate, heel and it was the last true act of professionalism by Hogan.


The only other person I can think of that he's bothered to put over cleaning, without a fuss, was The Rock and The Rock was already a mega star and didn't need to beat him to be one of the most over wrestlers ever.


Hogan will not be facing Cena for a WWE title because Hogan has proven, many many many times over in fact, in his career that he's not about business and he's all about Terry.

For ****** Sakes the dude was nothing more an a semi-part time wrestler in WWE when he faced HBK, who was a full time wrestler, and he absolutely refused to put him over. That was after agreeing to a 2 match deal where they'd each go over once. If I recall correctly initially HBK was supposed to go over the first time but Hulk balked on that so they switched it to Hogan going over the first time and then when that was over Hogan refused to do the second one and put HBK over.

he decided that simply shaking HBK's hand at the end of the match would be putting him over enough cause, again, that's how Hogan does business. Which is, again, why Hogan isn't really worth all that much to a company anymore as anything more than a very short term, nothing major, role.

in fact I think I wouldn't mind him in the role he's in with TNA if they did it to where he wasn't the leader of any faction and was only on TV 1 or 2 times a month, tops. Then he'd be fine in the role they have for him.

Anything more than that is a waste of time with Hogan cause it's only a matter of time before his massive ego gets in the way and he starts demanding title runs and BS like that.

I also agree with you that putting him against Styles would be idiotic but not just because of the face issue (which is more than issue enough) but because Hogan is so friggen bad in the ring that AJ would have an impossible time getting a good match out of him. That thing would stink the joint up. It would just be embarrassing and I'd feel very sorry for AJ Styles being screwed over in that manner.

Well if there is anyone in TNA I would trust to pull something half way decent out of Hogan it is Styles, he is the 2nd best in ring worker in the company after Angle, and not saying anything bad about Angle but Styles is Mr.TNA and the success of the company is obviously important to him, he's turned down WWE contracts before, so has Samoa Joe.

but, your right Hogan is all about Hogan. With the HBK issue, Hogan had creative control during that run... but I believe Hogan, would put Cena, as with Rock 10 years ago, Cena is the biggest star in the industry & after his divorce and lawsuit because of his sons accident, he wouldn't he able to turn down a 200,000+ payment for the match.. Plus Vince would probably say, "Terry, you put Cena over in this match without a problem and afterwards we discuss doing a Hulk Hogan DVD + Documentary", and the money that would draw would be ridiculous, and it'd make Vince a ton of money so he'd want to do it aswell once Hogan is back in the good graces of the WWE.



& On the money thing, yep, and I doubt Hall, Nash and Hogan were making $1 more than him... its probably closer to $12 million for all 4 of them than it is to $10, and then you calcuate in bonuses they received & creative control? Ridiculous... WWE's entire roster costs $3 million more, and they have what 105 contracted performers including FCW? and John Cena is the highest paid, with a reported 2.5million a year salary before bonuses', but that also covers his movies, so he's drawing the company alot more money, and is entirely worth it to the company.. Plus $2.5m is not nearly as much as it was 10 years ago when Hogan, Nash, Hart and Hall were making those ridiculous salaries

[BraveHeartFan]

Well if there is anyone in TNA I would trust to pull something half way decent out of Hogan it is Styles, he is the 2nd best in ring worker in the company after Angle, and not saying anything bad about Angle but Styles is Mr.TNA and the success of the company is obviously important to him, he's turned down WWE contracts before, so has Samoa Joe.

but, your right Hogan is all about Hogan. With the HBK issue, Hogan had creative control during that run... but I believe Hogan, would put Cena, as with Rock 10 years ago, Cena is the biggest star in the industry & after his divorce and lawsuit because of his sons accident, he wouldn't he able to turn down a 200,000+ payment for the match.. Plus Vince would probably say, "Terry, you put Cena over in this match without a problem and afterwards we discuss doing a Hulk Hogan DVD + Documentary", and the money that would draw would be ridiculous, and it'd make Vince a ton of money so he'd want to do it aswell once Hogan is back in the good graces of the WWE.


& On the money thing, yep, and I doubt Hall, Nash and Hogan were making $1 more than him... its probably closer to $12 million for all 4 of them than it is to $10, and then you calcuate in bonuses they received & creative control? Ridiculous... WWE's entire roster costs $3 million more, and they have what 105 contracted performers including FCW? and John Cena is the highest paid, with a reported 2.5million a year salary before bonuses', but that also covers his movies, so he's drawing the company alot more money, and is entirely worth it to the company.. Plus $2.5m is not nearly as much as it was 10 years ago when Hogan, Nash, Hart and Hall were making those ridiculous salaries


Excellent points all around.

I do agree AJ is the most likely to get a good one out of him, other than Angle, but I just wouldn't bet on it, even as great as those two are in the ring. Hogan is just a complete slug in there at this point, in fact really has been for so long it's not funny.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Excellent points all around.

I do agree AJ is the most likely to get a good one out of him, other than Angle, but I just wouldn't bet on it, even as great as those two are in the ring. Hogan is just a complete slug in there at this point, in fact really has been for so long it's not funny.

Oh no doubt, but AJ is great at selling, and Hogan would need that just to make the match not seem like a complete joke.

[DallasGirl50]

Most likely he would never hold the title, but Vince understands business and a Hogan v. Cena match for the WWE title would draw huge money, he wouldn't put it on a WM, but he would probably stick that on a SummerSlam or a Survivor Series and enjoy an extra hundred thousand buys... People crap on TNA for angling Hogan for a title shot, but you know what, aslong as he doesn't win the title its good business, why leave millions of dollars on the table? A Hogan title shot would draw TNA atleast an extra 20,000-40,000 buys, and then DVD sales of people in a store saying Hogan challenging say, Sting for the world title? I'ma buy that I remember those guys.. Then T-Shirt's, etc;.. The best way to do it money wise is to have Hogan as the face vs a heel Anderson. As you need Hogan as the face to maximize drawing in todays age, so putting him vs Styles would idiotic.

hogan will be lucky if he ever gets thru half a match again with his back issues...there is ZERO chance of him ever challenging for any WWE belt.