*Spoiler* Why WWE sucks...

[Romo 2 Austin]

Randy Orton just defeated Christian to win the WWE World title in Orlando, FL.


http://pwinsider.com/article/57683/major-wwe-spoiler-.html?p=1






/facepalm. People actually care about Christian as champion, someone who deserved it and is a thousand times more entertaining than the idiots there pushing on RAW and he is just a transitional champion? What happened to making new stars.

[BraveHeartFan]

Wow....that is complete crap.

Is he unexpectedly hurt or something?

[Romo 2 Austin]

Wow....that is complete crap.

Is he unexpectedly hurt or something?

No. He's not, it's just WWE making an idiotic decision. Christian should've gotten a reign til atleast SummerSlam he would've burst through as a main eventer, now he will seen as a joke and never get to that level.

[BraveHeartFan]

No. He's not, it's just WWE making an idiotic decision. Christian should've gotten a reign til atleast SummerSlam he would've burst through as a main eventer, now he will seen as a joke and never get to that level.


Yeah if he's not hurt that's just stupid. i can't believe they'd want to take it off him already.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Yeah if he's not hurt that's just stupid. i can't believe they'd want to take it off him already.

Vince makes a huge thing about a youth movement in the company, and look at the two top champions... Randy Orton & John Cena, the only two established superstars (outside of arguably CM Punk ) that are working full time.

[zrinkill]

Randy Orton should be champion.

Its really that simple.

[BraveHeartFan]

Don't get me wrong I'm not upset that it's Orton. I really like Randy Orton a whole lot. I'm just upset that they took it off Christian already.

[zrinkill]

Don't get me wrong I'm not upset that it's Orton. I really like Randy Orton a whole lot. I'm just upset that they took it off Christian already.

He is a midcarder who only got the title because his best friend was a main eventer who got injured and they wanted to do it for him.

He does not draw money ...... he is a TNA main eventer ..... not WWE.

[BraveHeartFan]

He is a midcarder who only got the title because his best friend was a main eventer who got injured and they wanted to do it for him.

He does not draw money ...... he is a TNA main eventer ..... not WWE.


I personally think it's premature to assume he can't draw money with the WWE crowd because he wasn't given the chance to do so.

I, personally, feel like he could do a pretty solid job, especially working with the right people. But to each their own.

[Corleone]

Wow! This happened on RAW? Gotta be kidding me, that is so ridiculous. I had to stop watching WWE almost two years ago, I got back into it when Rocky and Austin came back, along with Taker but it went back to being the same old WWE apparently. Christian definitely deserved it, the E wouldn't even let him win it himself, they had to have Edge come in and help. He main evented in TNA, he should be given a shot here.

[RoyTheHammer]

I didn't think it would last.. Vince has always hated him for some reason that i will never understand. To be honest, he is a little bit skinny and doesn't really have the body type of a heavyweight.. but he makes up for it in charisma and mic skills. Just another case of the horrible writing that is rampent in WWE and TNA today.

[Ren]

http://pwinsider.com/article/57683/major-wwe-spoiler-.html?p=1






/facepalm. People actually care about Christian as champion, someone who deserved it and is a thousand times more entertaining than the idiots there pushing on RAW and he is just a transitional champion? What happened to making new stars.

Seems the WWE have just decided to be lame this year :bang2:

It's looking more and more like they're going to let Cena hold the title until WM which *spoiler* means it's even more obvious that he's winning that match too and now they couldn't even wait a week to pin the belt on Orton.

Was really hoping they'd give Sheamus a push and have him feud with Christian for a few months before they handed the belt to Orton, it would have been a great opportunity to push a few more people on the SD roster now wasted

[big dog cowboy]

I personally think it's premature to assume he can't draw money with the WWE crowd because he wasn't given the chance to do so.
He was tag team champs with Edge for a long time. Then the WWE brass figured out it was Edge who was the draw not Christian next thing you know they were split up. You can see how each of their careers went since then.

[big dog cowboy]

What happened to making new stars.
Christian wouldn't be considered a new star.

[zrinkill]

Christian wouldn't be considered a new star.

:laugh2:

What? 13 years is not considered new?

[Romo 2 Austin]

Christian wouldn't be considered a new star.

He would be considered new on the main event level.


Christian should be a main event player, he's more over than a majority of the people they have been pushing (Sin Cara, ADR, Miz, Swagger, Ziggler), he's more charismatic than all of them & a better in ring worker than any of them excluding Sin Cara, but he's better at the WWE style than Cara is. Does he have the ideal look? No, but that should be overlooked in his case, he has earned it.

[zrinkill]

Christian wouldn't be considered a new star.

And the real funny thing is when they do create new stars ...... the wresting minor league fans complain about them.

Miz
ADR
Sheamus

and on the way
Ziggler
Drew McIntyre
Cody Rhodes

All those guys have it.

[Aikmaniac]

The question is...I wonder if Christian was told he would give it up that fast after winning it at the PPV.

How do we know if he could pull off the main event if he's never had the chance?

His body type is the same as Punk's, so that shouldn't be an issue.

[Romo 2 Austin]

And the real funny thing is when they do create new stars ...... the wresting minor league fans complain about them.

Miz
ADR
Sheamus

and on the way
Ziggler
Drew McIntyre
Cody Rhodes

All those guys have it.


McIntyre, Sheamus and Rhodes do. The rest are midcarders at best.

[Romo 2 Austin]

The question is...I wonder if Christian was told he would give it up that fast after winning it at the PPV.

How do we know if he could pull off the main event if he's never had the chance?

His body type is the same as Punk's, so that shouldn't be an issue.

Did you see the pop he got? It was bigger than the Cena pop at the end of the night, the fans want christian as champ. He's arguably the most over face as people are getting sick and tired of SuperCena and Orton at the top for the past 5 years.

[RoyTheHammer]

Seems the WWE have just decided to be lame this year :bang2:

It's looking more and more like they're going to let Cena hold the title until WM which *spoiler* means it's even more obvious that he's winning that match too and now they couldn't even wait a week to pin the belt on Orton.

Was really hoping they'd give Sheamus a push and have him feud with Christian for a few months before they handed the belt to Orton, it would have been a great opportunity to push a few more people on the SD roster now wasted

I hope they put Sheamus back in heavyweight title contention where he belongs, and i've not seen wrestling fans so united in their agreement about an issue in a long time, but pretty much every site ive been to agrees that this is the stupidest thing they've ever seen, and that Christian deserved better.

Again, just horrible writing and Vince not liking the guy for whatever reason.

[DallasGirl50]

Vince doesn't dislike Christian..for goodness sake. They hired him back!

Christian will get more title shots..and be champ again probably.

[RoyTheHammer]

Vince doesn't dislike Christian..for goodness sake. They hired him back!

Christian will get more title shots..and be champ again probably.

I should rephrase that i guess.. its not that he "dislikes" him, its just that he's never thought Christian had what it takes to be a main eventer. Never did, still doesn't, and probably never will. Its completely unfounded, just how McMahon sees him for some reason.

[Ren]

Vince doesn't dislike Christian..for goodness sake. They hired him back!

Christian will get more title shots..and be champ again probably.

I doubt it, they would have at least let him hold the belt until the next PPV which is no more then 3 weeks away if that was the case

What could have been a pretty awesome and unpredictable summer will now most likely be 3-4 months of Orton/Kane

[DallasGirl50]

I should rephrase that i guess.. its not that he "dislikes" him, its just that he's never thought Christian had what it takes to be a main eventer. Never did, still doesn't, and probably never will. Its completely unfounded, just how McMahon sees him for some reason.


I'm not so sure about that. Not so very long ago Christian was hinting at retirement due to medical problems (he was giving very similar interviews to Edge.."I'm getting old..it's been hard keeping up with the other younger guys, etc")

then he had to have surgery on his shoulder. I will wait to hear what happened. I would not be shocked if this is a medical problem but don't know that...they may have told Orton to move to SD and we'll belt you the next day. I do not know. And what's ironic is Orton has chronic shoulder problems as well...

[RoyTheHammer]

I'm not so sure about that. Not so very long ago Christian was hinting at retirement due to medical problems (he was giving very similar interviews to Edge.."I'm getting old..it's been hard keeping up with the other younger guys, etc")

then he had to have surgery on his shoulder. I will wait to hear what happened. I would not be shocked if this is a medical problem but don't know that...they may have told Orton to move to SD and we'll belt you the next day. I do not know. And what's ironic is Orton has chronic shoulder problems as well...

Its been pretty common knowledge.. google "Christian/ Vince MacMahon" and im sure you'll find at least a few articles about it.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I'm not so sure about that. Not so very long ago Christian was hinting at retirement due to medical problems (he was giving very similar interviews to Edge.."I'm getting old..it's been hard keeping up with the other younger guys, etc")

then he had to have surgery on his shoulder. I will wait to hear what happened. I would not be shocked if this is a medical problem but don't know that...they may have told Orton to move to SD and we'll belt you the next day. I do not know. And what's ironic is Orton has chronic shoulder problems as well...

Rth is right, Christian went to TNA because Vince said he didn't think Christian had "it".

How he could not like Christian but like the miz, ziggler and del joke is illogical.

[DallasGirl50]

Well then it makes no sense for him to hire him back..just let him go. Don't worry about it..worked here once, didn't work out..have a good life but do it somewhere else.

[RoyTheHammer]

Rth is right, Christian went to TNA because Vince said he didn't think Christian had "it".

How he could not like Christian but like the miz, ziggler and del joke is illogical.

Don't lump Ziggler in with those other two goofballs lol.

[Aikmaniac]

Did you see the pop he got? It was bigger than the Cena pop at the end of the night, the fans want christian as champ. He's arguably the most over face as people are getting sick and tired of SuperCena and Orton at the top for the past 5 years.

I'm agreeing with you man. I've followed Christian since his days with the Brood.

He's got all the tools to be a great champ.

[DanteEXT]

Don't care either way. But it did remind of the old days of wrestling, when the house show was a test ground and the TV shows were all taped. They'd have a feud going where a guy would drop the title one night at a house show, then win it back the next night at the next house show.

[Stautner]

Maybe it sucks because it is merely a troupe of bad actors on steroids pretending to participate in an athletic competition.

[BraveHeartFan]

He was tag team champs with Edge for a long time. Then the WWE brass figured out it was Edge who was the draw not Christian next thing you know they were split up. You can see how each of their careers went since then.


Edge was clearly the more talented, I'll give you that, but I don't think Christian sucks or anything.

I do believe he can draw and would do very well in the role of World Champion if given a real shot to run with it.


Edit: As a matter of fact, as I recall, Edge was blasted initially as some tag team specialist who would never make it as a world champion. Shows you what those people knew.

[zrinkill]

Maybe it sucks because it is merely a troupe of bad actors on steroids pretending to participate in an athletic competition.

And yet you entered the thread knowing exactly what it was about.

[Stautner]

And yet you entered the thread knowing exactly what it was about.

Yep, I did. The title "Why WWE Sucks" caught my eye.

[BraveHeartFan]

Maybe it sucks because it is merely a troupe of bad actors on steroids pretending to participate in an athletic competition.


Cool story man.

Seriously.

[the kid 05]

Wait Christian from Brood?

[DallasGirl50]

Yes that Christian

[BigWillie]

I remember when Matt Hardy came back after getting fired, only to job out to Edge. People were so angry, and no one understood why you even bring Hardy back if you just want him to job out to Edge. At the time, the word from everyone was "there are bigger things planned".

Fast forward to people getting so angry at the stupidity of having Christian do a Bob Backlund impersonation, and the same thing is being said.

Ultimately, Christian will go back into the mid-card scene, and eventually get lost in the shuffle like has happened to so many other guys.

[the kid 05]

Yes that Christian

how the hell did he ever get the the championship? i guess its true its not who you know its who you....

[Biggems]

Wow! This happened on RAW? Gotta be kidding me, that is so ridiculous. I had to stop watching WWE almost two years ago, I got back into it when Rocky and Austin came back, along with Taker but it went back to being the same old WWE apparently. Christian definitely deserved it, the E wouldn't even let him win it himself, they had to have Edge come in and help. He main evented in TNA, he should be given a shot here.

Smackdown not Raw

[Yeagermeister]

What's worse? Christian, a questionable a list wrestler, losing a belt or bringing in a 40 year old drug addict Chyna?

Chyna hands down

[Romo 2 Austin]

What's worse? Christian, a questionable a list wrestler, losing a belt or bringing in a 40 year old drug addict Chyna?

Chyna hands down

Jobbing out your most over babyface.

Chyna is apparently on a deal until July 1st, and on a tight leash. Christian will be with the company for years to come and now looks like an idiot. Which one is worse for business?

[Yeagermeister]

Jobbing out your most over babyface.

Chyna is apparently on a deal until July 1st, and on a tight leash. Christian will be with the company for years to come and now looks like an idiot. Which one is worse for business?

Hiring Chyna because Christian can always comeback. Chyna is a train wreck and makes TNA looks desperate.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Hiring Chyna because Christian can always comeback. Chyna is a train wreck and makes TNA looks desperate.

The reason they did it is to relive the Jeff Jarrett-Chyna feud, is it stupid? Yeah. It was 10 years ago and not entertaining then. But its atleast logical, making Christian, the most over performer in the company, job so super orton and super cena can reign supreme is absolutely retarded.

[DallasGirl50]

I would not put much into this belt change until it is found out why they did it. It is most likely storyline related. They moved Orton to SD for a reason...probably to feud with Christian.

[RoyTheHammer]

Hiring Chyna because Christian can always comeback. Chyna is a train wreck and makes TNA looks desperate.

Again with the Chyna thing.. the company that hired her is an underdog company trying to gain ground in their market. For that, hiring someone widely known by wrestling fans is a good move. Its a short deal, so there's hardly much risk associated with it, and there's much attention to be gained. Everyone who watched WWE back in the day knows who she is, and she's a big name in the industry. Already in her first appearance she drew a huge pop from the fans in attendance, so its already off to a good start. Even if she only brings in a few more fans and they decide not to give her another short term deal after the current one expires its still a good move.

[big dog cowboy]

Chyna is apparently on a deal until July 1st, and on a tight leash. Christian will be with the company for years to come and now looks like an idiot. Which one is worse for business?
Chyna because it makes you look desperate which they basically are.

[Yeagermeister]

Chyna because it makes you look desperate which they basically are.

:hammer:

[Romo 2 Austin]

Chyna because it makes you look desperate which they basically are.

Well it's around $750-$900 an appearance for her, til July 1st, thts what 5 tapings? So like 3.5k for the amount of attention it is getting? Reportedly the third biggest pop of the night after Angle & Foley (show w.o major role from Sting or Styles)? I'll call that a win for TNA.

[DallasGirl50]

Well it's around $750-$900 an appearance for her, til July 1st, thts what 5 tapings? So like 3.5k for the amount of attention it is getting? Reportedly the third biggest pop of the night after Angle & Foley (show w.o major role from Sting or Styles)? I'll call that a win for TNA.

the reality is that whole Kurt/Karen/Jeff story is lame...lame...lame..lame. I watched the show the other nite & it was awful. For all the insistence that TNA is more about the wrestling there was an awful lot of talking on there. They have ruined Kurt. It was awful.

[Romo 2 Austin]

the reality is that whole Kurt/Karen/Jeff story is lame...lame...lame..lame. I watched the show the other nite & it was awful. For all the insistence that TNA is more about the wrestling there was an awful lot of talking on there. They have ruined Kurt. It was awful.

The storyline was fine, should've ended at Lockdown.. Now its dragging on too long

[zrinkill]

For all the insistence that TNA is more about the wrestling there was an awful lot of talking on there.

:bow:

And I laugh at people who guess at what someone is making money wise.

[Aikmaniac]

Both products are terrible right now.

I tried to watch a TNA show in its entirety and it was just painful.

The WWE isn't much better. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Rock offered a TON of money to come back on a more regular basis.

And I'm sure Goldberg is on Vince's speed dial as well.

[the kid 05]

Both products are terrible right now.

I tried to watch a TNA show in its entirety and it was just painful.

The WWE isn't much better. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Rock offered a TON of money to come back on a more regular basis.

And I'm sure Goldberg is on Vince's speed dial as well.

Only way im back is if Steve Austin is back which aint happenin

[DallasGirl50]

Guess the storyline between Jeff & Angle is NOT over. Much of the stuff on there the other nite was about or involving them. Even the stuff with Styles as Flair Jr. wasn't as lame as the Angle storyline.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Guess the storyline between Jeff & Angle is NOT over. Much of the stuff on there the other nite was about or involving them. Even the stuff with Styles as Flair Jr. wasn't as lame as the Angle storyline.

I found that stuff pretty entertaining, and Styles has been tenfold improved on the mic since then so it paid off.

[DallasGirl50]

I found that stuff pretty entertaining, and Styles has been tenfold improved on the mic since then so it paid off.

to each his own. I found it very silly.

[BraveHeartFan]

Stop worrying about the poor kid where TNA storylines are concerned. He'll defend them till he's dead as entertaining, logical, or something like that.

The Angle/Jarrett storyline has been, and will continue to be, stupid beyond belief. It's an idiotic storyline, it's never been good or entertaining, and adding Chyna to it, for the stupid crap with Jarrett from 10 years ago, only makes it even more stupid.

And stop over valuing the amount AJ has improved on the mic. He's improved, slightly, in the last couple of years. That makes him slightly more bareable on the mic than Matt Hardy.

[DallasGirl50]

I never have liked Matt Hardy. Jeff...when he's right...is much more entertaining than Matt.

[BraveHeartFan]

I never have liked Matt Hardy. Jeff...when he's right...is much more entertaining than Matt.


Thats because grass growing and paint drying are more entertaining than Matt. He's awful.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I never have liked Matt Hardy. Jeff...when he's right...is much more entertaining than Matt.

I used to love Matt when I was younger, he was one of my favorite wrestlers. Jeff I used to completely hate, always found his matches boring as they are just spot fests. Still are, but I find Jeff alot more entertaining now he has improved and become decent on the mic. Matt is really good in the ring, ok on the mic.

[windward]

It really looked to me as if they were teasing a Christian heel turn in Smackdown.

[Romo 2 Austin]

It really looked to me as if they were teasing a Christian heel turn in Smackdown.

He's a much better face, as a heel as "CPT.Charisma" in like 2005 he was more of a comedy character than a serious wrestler.

[DallasGirl50]

I used to love Matt when I was younger, he was one of my favorite wrestlers. Jeff I used to completely hate, always found his matches boring as they are just spot fests. Still are, but I find Jeff alot more entertaining now he has improved and become decent on the mic. Matt is really good in the ring, ok on the mic.

i don't think we have to worry about Jeff anymore. He has pretty much ruined his career. He'll be real lucky not to end up in a federal prison somewhere. He is a mess.

[Romo 2 Austin]

i don't think we have to worry about Jeff anymore. He has pretty much ruined his career. He'll be real lucky not to end up in a federal prison somewhere. He is a mess.

TNA is bringing him back

[DallasGirl50]

TNA is bringing him back

Idiots. He still at some point will be on trial. He only had enough dope in his house to supply a Walgreen's.

[RoyTheHammer]

Idiots. He still at some point will be on trial. He only had enough dope in his house to supply a Walgreen's.

Oh please.. the guy may be on drugs, but don't act like TNA is the only organization that looks the other way on their employees. Honestly, how many employees in the WWE were on steroids before that was outlawed? It even caused one in particular to murder his whole family and commit suicide, yet you act like TNA is terrible because one of their guys has a drug problem? Not buying that..

[Hostile]

Oh please.. the guy may be on drugs, but don't act like TNA is the only organization that looks the other way on their employees. Honestly, how many employees in the WWE were on steroids before that was outlawed? It even caused one in particular to murder his whole family and commit suicide, yet you act like TNA is terrible because one of their guys has a drug problem? Not buying that..I actually have never heard her say TNA is terrible. She is panning the idea of bringing back a junkie. She is by far the most level headed wrestling fan who joins these threads. 2nd place for level headed stands in her shadow and shivers from the cold.

[RoyTheHammer]

I actually have never heard her say TNA is terrible. She is panning the idea of bringing back a junkie. She is by far the most level headed wrestling fan who joins these threads. 2nd place for level headed stands in her shadow and shivers from the cold.

She is the most level headed.. most of the time. This time however, i don't agree with her statement, calling TNA idiots for bringing back a drug addict. He's still under contract with them, so honestly they arn't bringing him back, because they never let him go. He has a problem, but using marijuana isn't some horrible crime. Its no worse than using steroids. He has a problem, he'll work to get it fixed or he won't make much more money in the industry.

Noble of you to stick of for her, but i have already stated my feelings about her rational posting in the past, so im not attacking her character or making it personal. Just disagree this time. She can defend her own opinions, its nothing to get bent out of shape over. Just good discussion.

[Romo 2 Austin]

She is the most level headed.. most of the time. This time however, i don't agree with her statement, calling TNA idiots for bringing back a drug addict. He's still under contract with them, so honestly they arn't bringing him back, because they never let him go. He has a problem, but using marijuana isn't some horrible crime. Its no worse than using steroids. He has a problem, he'll work to get it fixed or he won't make much more money in the industry.

Noble of you to stick of for her, but i have already stated my feelings about her rational posting in the past, so im not attacking her character or making it personal. Just disagree this time. She can defend her own opinions, its nothing to get bent out of shape over. Just good discussion.
It's not pot with Jeff, it's somas and it used to be meth

[zrinkill]

calling TNA idiots for bringing back a drug addict.

He uses much worse than Pot ...... and single handedly ruined a pay per view for them with his incredibly unprofessional behavior.

If he worked anywhere else ..... he would be done.

[big dog cowboy]

If he worked anywhere else ..... he would be done.
A long time ago.

[DallasGirl50]

Thanks for the nice comments guys...I enjoy the back & forth! My only complaint re Jeff & TNA is he is in obvious dire straits...like somebody said his last match was a diaster & they let him wrestle knowing he could not....even Sting could not believe it! I am sure Jeff was sent to rehab by WWE. He has had drug issues for many years. Why continue to employ him? And I am thinking one of the felony charges against him wasn't just for possession but for intent to distribute. He had quite a stash.

[DallasGirl50]

Oh please.. the guy may be on drugs, but don't act like TNA is the only organization that looks the other way on their employees. Honestly, how many employees in the WWE were on steroids before that was outlawed? It even caused one in particular to murder his whole family and commit suicide, yet you act like TNA is terrible because one of their guys has a drug problem? Not buying that..

I think TNA should have cut ties with Jeff but R2A said they did not. & he would know....so yea to me that's idiotic because of his history but I would not have hired him to begin with. I always thought Jeff was a fun wrestler to watch. It's sad what has happened to him.

[Romo 2 Austin]

for anyone questioning AJ Styles overness:
http://www.wrestlingforum.com/total-nonstop-action-wrestling/550591-best-thing-tna.html


pretty much dominates everything besides the epic Scott Steiner, who only gets votes because he mumbles every word lol

[RoyTheHammer]

for anyone questioning AJ Styles overness:
http://www.wrestlingforum.com/total-nonstop-action-wrestling/550591-best-thing-tna.html


pretty much dominates everything besides the epic Scott Steiner, who only gets votes because he mumbles every word lol

Steiner gets votes because he mumbles every word? You need to bone up on your wrestling history brah. Steiner on the mic is pure gold.

[zrinkill]

:lmao2:

Look who started that poll

[daschoo]

there were 25 votes for aj being the most over thing in tna. i wouldn't call that conclusive proof that everyone bar a few on here loves aj.

[BraveHeartFan]

TNA are idiots because they're bringing him back, again, after he's been in trouble multiple times over, and fired, from one company for being in trouble over and over again with drugs.

Giving the guy a second chance after the first time is one thing, continuing to bring him in and push him knowing that he's completely unreliable and a moron only serves to prove how stupid the people running TNA are.

Does WWE look the other way? You bet they do. They all do. But you note that WWE has also fired people, or suspended people even while they're the champion, for getting into trouble over drugs.

They stripped RVD of the World Title, and suspended him when he couldn't stay off them. They let Angle out of his contract to seek help for his, and he instead went to TNA and only allowed his problems to get worse. They got rid of Jeff Hardy cause he couldn't stay out of trouble and off drugs.

TNA, instead, continues to allow Angle to comeback, but at least this time they're sufficiently wasting his talent with this stupid angle with Jarrett, and they're going to continue to let Angle work.

Not only that but now they're adding an even bigger addict, and headcase, into the mix of things by bringing in Chyna. So, yeah, while all companies loko the other way it would appear TNA is doing all they can to set the record for looking the other way.

[BraveHeartFan]

there were 25 votes for aj being the most over thing in tna. i wouldn't call that conclusive proof that everyone bar a few on here loves aj.


Not only that but it's the best thing going in TNA and look what the poll has him up against. If he can't be the most over thing in TNA, against that lot of crap, then he's in serious trouble anyway.

[RoyTheHammer]

TNA are idiots because they're bringing him back, again, after he's been in trouble multiple times over, and fired, from one company for being in trouble over and over again with drugs.

Giving the guy a second chance after the first time is one thing, continuing to bring him in and push him knowing that he's completely unreliable and a moron only serves to prove how stupid the people running TNA are.

Does WWE look the other way? You bet they do. They all do. But you note that WWE has also fired people, or suspended people even while they're the champion, for getting into trouble over drugs.

They stripped RVD of the World Title, and suspended him when he couldn't stay off them. They let Angle out of his contract to seek help for his, and he instead went to TNA and only allowed his problems to get worse. They got rid of Jeff Hardy cause he couldn't stay out of trouble and off drugs.

TNA, instead, continues to allow Angle to comeback, but at least this time they're sufficiently wasting his talent with this stupid angle with Jarrett, and they're going to continue to let Angle work.

Not only that but now they're adding an even bigger addict, and headcase, into the mix of things by bringing in Chyna. So, yeah, while all companies loko the other way it would appear TNA is doing all they can to set the record for looking the other way.

Lets please not compare Kurt Angle with drug addicts. He had a problem with perscription pain meds, hardly the same as a recurring drug habit.

[zrinkill]

Lets please not compare Kurt Angle with drug addicts. He had a problem with perscription pain meds, hardly the same as a recurring drug habit.

And alcohol.

Big time.

[RoyTheHammer]

And alcohol.

Big time.

Big time? Really?

To my knowledge, he's been arrested for drunk driving one time, and those charges were ultimately dropped. He was also arrested one time for "operating a vehicle under the influence" and plead guilty to that even though he wasn't found operating the vehicle.

Hardly seems like an alcohol obsession..

[zrinkill]

Hardly seems like an alcohol obsession..

Wow ..... twice he has had alcohol related incidences with the police. How many times does it need to be before you classify it as a problem.

4?
5?
6?

:laugh2:

[RoyTheHammer]

Wow ..... twice he has had alcohol related incidences with the police. How many times does it need to be before you classify it as a problem.

4?
5?
6?



I know people in my own town who just go out for drinks socially and have driven home intoxicated numerous times. Does that mean they are abusive alcoholics? Hell no, alot of people do it.. although they won't ever admit it.

Kurt Angle being a BIG TIME alcoholic though? No lol.

[DallasGirl50]

Kurt has issues..I think there was a domestic problem with Karen...and he has physical problems with his neck...same as Edge, Cena. He's a great wrestler/athlete. It was a big loss for WWE when he left. He had alot of problems though. Still does.

[RoyTheHammer]

Kurt has issues..I think there was a domestic problem with Karen...and he has physical problems with his neck...same as Edge, Cena. He's a great wrestler/athlete. It was a big loss for WWE when he left. He had alot of problems though. Still does.

Great article about Kurt.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/olympics/s_479415.html

[DallasGirl50]

That is a good read...thanks. Funny reading that TNA has a very strict drug policy & yet they allowed Jeff to wrestle when he was obviously impaired. But then again Owen fell to his death & WWE went on with their PPV. I guess sometimes the show really must go on....

[Hostile]

She is the most level headed.. most of the time. This time however, i don't agree with her statement, calling TNA idiots for bringing back a drug addict. He's still under contract with them, so honestly they arn't bringing him back, because they never let him go. He has a problem, but using marijuana isn't some horrible crime. Its no worse than using steroids. He has a problem, he'll work to get it fixed or he won't make much more money in the industry.

Noble of you to stick of for her, but i have already stated my feelings about her rational posting in the past, so im not attacking her character or making it personal. Just disagree this time. She can defend her own opinions, its nothing to get bent out of shape over. Just good discussion.Your reply to her was over the top. If you can't see that, shame on you.

[RoyTheHammer]

Your reply to her was over the top. If you can't see that, shame on you.

It was not.

It simply said that the one idea was a load of baloney. Again, i have already defended her knowledge and rationality on this subject matter. You arn't a knight in shining armor dude lol. Rational posters can disagree and not get bent out of shape over it. She and i disagreed over this one particular issue and the only one getting bent out of shape over it.. is you.

[DallasGirl50]

I very much appreciate your kind words Hos...I am always discouraged when I see guys like Jeff who abuse their talent. I don't understand drug addiction I guess. Never done them nor even been inclined to. I hope in this time off tbe air that Jeff has been getting some sort of medical help. I would not ever be shocked though to see his name as the next wrestler who died young.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I very much appreciate your kind words Hos...I am always discouraged when I see guys like Jeff who abuse their talent. I don't understand drug addiction I guess. Never done them nor even been inclined to. I hope in this time off tbe air that Jeff has been getting some sort of medical help. I would not ever be shocked though to see his name as the next wrestler who died young.

I'm not too sure that'll happen, he may have problems but as far as I know its not heroin/oxy/ any of those types. Its crystal meth, and i'm far from an expert lol(know nothing) but I don't ever hear about people dieing from crystal meth or pain killers.

He has his problems and most likely will never be vice free, but there are wrestlers doing far worse and it gets far less attention. Jeff's popularity and the amount of times he has ****ed up gets him alot more attention, but WWE doesn't suspend for weed(they drug test 4 times a year, and the fine for weed is $500.. Next to nothing when nearly all the guys are pulling 6 figures plus), if I had to guess i'd reckon more than half that roster smokes weed.

[big dog cowboy]

if I had to guess i'd reckon more than half that roster smokes weed.

Really?

Why so high?

Sorry I wasn't trying to make a funny.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Really?

Why so high?

Sorry I wasn't trying to make a funny.

Probably more, wrestler's have always been infamous for loving to party and paying a very low $2000 a year to smoke weed probably doesn't matter to nearly all of them.. except CM Punk lol

[RoyTheHammer]

That's quite a huge assumption. I doubt not even close to half the roster smokes weed. Also, the stereotype of all wrestlers being known as party animals during their careers is overblown because of a few.

[Romo 2 Austin]

That's quite a huge assumption. I doubt not even close to half the roster smokes weed. Also, the stereotype of all wrestlers being known as party animals during their careers is overblown because of a few.

i've read quite a few wrestlers biographies, and from what i've seen the stereotype isn't overblown at all.

[DallasGirl50]

I'm not too sure that'll happen, he may have problems but as far as I know its not heroin/oxy/ any of those types. Its crystal meth, and i'm far from an expert lol(know nothing) but I don't ever hear about people dieing from crystal meth or pain killers.

He has his problems and most likely will never be vice free, but there are wrestlers doing far worse and it gets far less attention. Jeff's popularity and the amount of times he has ****ed up gets him alot more attention, but WWE doesn't suspend for weed(they drug test 4 times a year, and the fine for weed is $500.. Next to nothing when nearly all the guys are pulling 6 figures plus), if I had to guess i'd reckon more than half that roster smokes weed.

A TON of people die from addiction to pain killers....it's a felony to be caught with them illegally...and there is a list somewhere online of all the drugs had in his possession & I am pretty sure he had massive amounts of painkillers. I would say that if there were alot of wrestlers doing far worse as you state it would be news. It's not like he was being singled out or anything...and please tell me how one can say this many wrestlers are doing pot without knowing them? You can't even guess at such with any accuracy. Jeff has been in trouble for a long time. It is his fault & he needs to get clean. WWE gave him plenty of chances & they finally had enough.

[RoyTheHammer]

i've read quite a few wrestlers biographies, and from what i've seen the stereotype isn't overblown at all.

Then its opinion against opinion, but i bet if we looked at the roster right now and counted how many guys are doing illegal drugs right now, the number wouldn't be close to half.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Then its opinion against opinion, but i bet if we looked at the roster right now and counted how many guys are doing illegal drugs right now, the number wouldn't be close to half.

I'm currently reading the Chris Jericho book that came out this year....
Undisputed: How to Become the World Champion in 1,372 Easy Steps


Fantastic book, has a very indepth perspective behind his life and covers the most interesting topic in wrestling alot, Vince McMahon aswell as ALOT of discussion about Chris Benoit and what wrestlers do when their on the road. If you need some material for reading I highly recommend that book for anyone that is interested in wrestling.

[Romo 2 Austin]

A TON of people die from addiction to pain killers....it's a felony to be caught with them illegally...and there is a list somewhere online of all the drugs had in his possession & I am pretty sure he had massive amounts of painkillers. I would say that if there were alot of wrestlers doing far worse as you state it would be news. It's not like he was being singled out or anything...and please tell me how one can say this many wrestlers are doing pot without knowing them? You can't even guess at such with any accuracy. Jeff has been in trouble for a long time. It is his fault & he needs to get clean. WWE gave him plenty of chances & they finally had enough.

yes his vice's are Alcohol, Weed, Crystal Meth(not sure if he still does) & somas.

[DallasGirl50]

yes his vice's are Alcohol, Weed, Crystal Meth(not sure if he still does) & somas.

Lordy...as they use to say when Taker came out DEAD MAN WALKING.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Lordy...as they use to say when Taker came out DEAD MAN WALKING.

He also smokes cigs!

[DallasGirl50]

Well I wish him well...I have enjoyed watching Jeff thru the years. I do wonder how much enabling has gone on in his life but the cold hard bottom line is he's a grown man & responsible for his own life.

[Hostile]

It was not.

It simply said that the one idea was a load of baloney. Again, i have already defended her knowledge and rationality on this subject matter. You arn't a knight in shining armor dude lol. Rational posters can disagree and not get bent out of shape over it. She and i disagreed over this one particular issue and the only one getting bent out of shape over it.. is you.Never said I was and I'm not bent out of shape at all. You're simply wrong.

[RoyTheHammer]

Lordy...as they use to say when Taker came out DEAD MAN WALKING.

I loved that entrance haha.

[RoyTheHammer]

Never said I was and I'm not bent out of shape at all. You're simply wrong.

Sigh.. :rolleyes:

If i apoligized, could we move on good sir knight? Since you're the only one who was offended by anything that was said here.

I disagreed with her statment, i thought it was baloney.. so i said so. Nobody is assulting anyone's character.. move onnn.

[Hostile]

Sigh.. :rolleyes:

If i apoligized, could we move on good sir knight? Since you're the only one who was offended by anything that was said here.

I disagreed with her statment, i thought it was baloney.. so i said so. Nobody is assulting anyone's character.. move onnn.You don't need to apologize for being wrong. But you do whatever you want to do. Again, she has never said TNA sucks and has never bashed TNA. You went all TNA knight in shining armor over nothing.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Well I wish him well...I have enjoyed watching Jeff thru the years. I do wonder how much enabling has gone on in his life but the cold hard bottom line is he's a grown man & responsible for his own life.

Guy started wrestling at like 16 if im not mistaking, lived on the road since around 18?? It had to be expected he would have some problems.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Lordy...as they use to say when Taker came out DEAD MAN WALKING.

The "American Bad-***" gimmick is my favorite incarnation of the Undetaker, im probably the only one in the world that will say that though lol

[DallasGirl50]

The "American Bad-***" gimmick is my favorite incarnation of the Undetaker, im probably the only one in the world that will say that though lol

well as a long time Taker fan I did not like it but I knew it was coming & it is his real personality. He knows what his fans like & it was just a phase. Now close to the end of it all I would be glad to see him period.

[Yeagermeister]

The "American Bad-***" gimmick is my favorite incarnation of the Undetaker, im probably the only one in the world that will say that though lol

For once we agree :D

I liked that gimmick also mainly because he came to the ring on some nice bikes.

[zrinkill]

I liked that gimmick also mainly because he came to the ring on some nice bikes.

I liked it as well.

Let him talk on the mic which he is great at.

[BraveHeartFan]

Lets please not compare Kurt Angle with drug addicts. He had a problem with perscription pain meds, hardly the same as a recurring drug habit.


Yeah well supposedly pain meds is all that guys like Curt Henning and Davey Boy were on too and all those did was eventually lead to health problems that killed them.

But hey who cares about that, right? Wouldn't want Kurt and his problems lumped in with others who have other problems.


Big time? Really?

To my knowledge, he's been arrested for drunk driving one time, and those charges were ultimately dropped. He was also arrested one time for "operating a vehicle under the influence" and plead guilty to that even though he wasn't found operating the vehicle.

Hardly seems like an alcohol obsession..

If you can't drink without having to drive as well that doesn't necassarily make you an alcoholic or obssessed with it. I agree.

It just makes you stupid.


Kurt has issues..I think there was a domestic problem with Karen...and he has physical problems with his neck...same as Edge, Cena. He's a great wrestler/athlete. It was a big loss for WWE when he left. He had alot of problems though. Still does.

Yeah I remember reading about the physical abuse thing. Now that doesn't necassarily mean it happened, I am not niave I know that those complaints can be false but I generally give the benefit of the doubt to the woman until proven false.

Kurt has issues and he knows he has issues which is why he supposedly wanted out of his WWE deal in order to get them dealt with.



I'm not too sure that'll happen, he may have problems but as far as I know its not heroin/oxy/ any of those types. Its crystal meth, and i'm far from an expert lol(know nothing) but I don't ever hear about people dieing from crystal meth or pain killers.

He has his problems and most likely will never be vice free, but there are wrestlers doing far worse and it gets far less attention. Jeff's popularity and the amount of times he has ****ed up gets him alot more attention, but WWE doesn't suspend for weed(they drug test 4 times a year, and the fine for weed is $500.. Next to nothing when nearly all the guys are pulling 6 figures plus), if I had to guess i'd reckon more than half that roster smokes weed.

Any of those drugs, outside of maybe weed, if you abuse them is going to cause you a great deal of harm and eventually kill you.

And jeffs pain killer problems will eventually kill him. That was reportedly a big part of the issues that caused the deaths of Curt Henning, Davey Boy, and maybe even Brian Pillman.

Pain killer abuse doesn't do anyone any favors, especially over years of doing it.


That's quite a huge assumption. I doubt not even close to half the roster smokes weed. Also, the stereotype of all wrestlers being known as party animals during their careers is overblown because of a few.

Agreed.

Then its opinion against opinion, but i bet if we looked at the roster right now and counted how many guys are doing illegal drugs right now, the number wouldn't be close to half.

I agree with you again here. I would be shocked to find it's anywhere near half.

[windward]

The "American Bad-***" gimmick is my favorite incarnation of the Undetaker, im probably the only one in the world that will say that though lol

I enjoyed Ministry Undertaker the most. Especially his theme music during that era.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I enjoyed Ministry Undertaker the most. Especially his theme music during that era.

When I was younger I didn't really like the darker Undertaker, he was suppose to be a good guy but just didn't really get it. The American ****** was just an awesome character, they should revive it with a younger performer it would easily get someone over as a monster babyface.

[zrinkill]

Gothic Undertaker (all forms) 1990-1999

biker Undertaker (all forms) 2000-2003

Gothic Undertaker 2004-2011

My son was born in 1993 ...... he was 7-10 years old when Taker was his biker gimmick.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Gothic Undertaker (all forms) 1990-1999

biker Undertaker (all forms) 2000-2003

Gothic Undertaker 2004-2011

My son was born in 1993 ...... he was 7-10 years old when Taker was his biker gimmick.

Same. I was born in 1993 aswell lol.

[DallasGirl50]

When I was younger I didn't really like the darker Undertaker, he was suppose to be a good guy but just didn't really get it. The American ****** was just an awesome character, they should revive it with a younger performer it would easily get someone over as a monster babyface.
Mark is a man of few words & he doesn't like doing the mic work...one of the best things about the Taker character is that he doesn't have to speak to be intimidating. I can say this from experience...there is nothing quite like Taker coming out. The gong..fog..organ music..& he really is a monster of a man. Matt Hardy said once that Mark rarely talked to him but when he did he listened.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Mark is a man of few words & he doesn't like doing the mic work...one of the best things about the Taker character is that he doesn't have to speak to be intimidating. I can say this from experience...there is nothing quite like Taker coming out. The gong..fog..organ music..& he really is a monster of a man. Matt Hardy said once that Mark rarely talked to him but when he did he listened.

in Jerichos book he calls undertaker "The Fonz" "the Sage" of the backstage, when he talks you listen.

[DallasGirl50]

in Jerichos book he calls undertaker "The Fonz" "the Sage" of the backstage, when he talks you listen.

He said when he is done wrestling he would like to work with the wrestlers backstage. That may have changed since he married Michelle though. They may be tired of all the traveling.

[zrinkill]

he doesn't like doing the mic work...

That is not actually true ..... he wanted to stay in his biker role but Vince and the writers wanted him back as the deadman.

[RoyTheHammer]

You don't need to apologize for being wrong. But you do whatever you want to do. Again, she has never said TNA sucks and has never bashed TNA. You went all TNA knight in shining armor over nothing.

Dude.. enough.

I wasn't wrong.. you're welcome to your opinion, but that's all it is.

Frankly, im sick of you whining about it. She didn't have a problem with what i said. She called TNA idiots for taking Hardy back. I said that's baloney and WWE has put up with rampent steroid abuse in the past. That's that. Get over it.. sheesh.

[DallasGirl50]

That is not actually true ..... he wanted to stay in his biker role but Vince and the writers wanted him back as the deadman.

that's not what he said on his dvd..but I won't argue about it. That gets old fast.

[zrinkill]

Since we are talking about Taker.

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