twitter: Mediation done for today. And they're not coming back tomorrow.

[cowboyjoe]

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Mediation done for today. And they're not coming back tomorrow.
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Chamber's arguments: 1) NLRB must "decide whether...NFLPA retains its duty to bargain"; 2) Norris-LaGuardia = Nelson can't grant injunction.

This doesnt look good zoners! :banghead:

[cowboyjoe]

AlbertBreer Albert Breer
Pash says the sides will return to mediation here in early June, after June 3 hearing. No set date yet.

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Patriots Serving As Naval Officers Adamant That NFL Must End Lockout to Properly Honor 9/11 http://t.co/KKkaT2f
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[theogt]

sigh....

[WoodysGirl]

Kevin Mawae says two sides are no closer to deal than in March (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/17/kevin-mawae-says-two-sides-are-no-closer-to-deal-than-in-march/)

Posted by Mike Florio on May 17, 2011, 2:10 PM EDT

The specific terms of the new offer made Monday by the NFL to the players have not yet been leaked. But NFLPA* president Kevin Mawae made the players’ generally feelings on the offer clear during a Tuesday segment with Adam Schein and Rich Gannon of SiriusXM NFL Radio.

Mawae told Schein and Gannon earlier today that the league and the players “are not anywhere closer to a deal now than we were in March (http://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchein/status/70535873460043776).”

Read the rest: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/17/kevin-mawae-says-two-sides-are-no-closer-to-deal-than-in-march/

[peplaw06]

sigh....

Lockout's still on. No football. Good times. Glad the owners got their stay.

On the real, any "breakthroughs" that might have occurred were likely lost when the 8th Circuit issued the stay.

[theogt]

Lockout's still on. No football. Good times. Glad the owners got their stay.

On the real, any "breakthroughs" that might have occurred were likely lost when the 8th Circuit issued the stay.In my opinion, you failed to mitigate your post by stating it was your opinion.

Just my opinion.

[stasheroo]

Kevin Mawae says two sides are no closer to deal than in March (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/17/kevin-mawae-says-two-sides-are-no-closer-to-deal-than-in-march/)

Posted by Mike Florio on May 17, 2011, 2:10 PM EDT

The specific terms of the new offer made Monday by the NFL to the players have not yet been leaked. But NFLPA* president Kevin Mawae made the players’ generally feelings on the offer clear during a Tuesday segment with Adam Schein and Rich Gannon of SiriusXM NFL Radio.

Mawae told Schein and Gannon earlier today that the league and the players “are not anywhere closer to a deal now than we were in March (http://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchein/status/70535873460043776).”

Read the rest: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/17/kevin-mawae-says-two-sides-are-no-closer-to-deal-than-in-march/


So they need to be absolutely, positively sure that they'll lose in the courts before they'll start negotiating again?

OK.

And when that ruling comes down on June 3rd, they'll have even less leverage than they do today.

And if I were the NFL the next offer would be less than this one.

And so on, and so on, and so on.

The NHL players found out the hard way too.

[theogt]

So they need to be absolutely, positively sure that they'll lose in the courts before they'll start negotiating again?I think you have to know the terms of the "new" offer to make any determination there. It's entirely possible they basically just reiterated the previous offer with some slight changes, which would obvious not be palatable to the players.

[LittleD]

Lockout's still on. No football. Good times. Glad the owners got their stay.

On the real, any "breakthroughs" that might have occurred were likely lost when the 8th Circuit issued the stay.



What a way to show your bias.... Many on this board would say the owner's came to the table again with another proposal in good faith and as usual the players turn their noses up and run for the courts.

What a pack of Loser Babies!!!!!!!!!!

[theogt]

What a way to show your bias.... Many on this board would say the owner's came to the table again with another proposal in good faith and as usual the players turn their noses up and run for the courts.

What a pack of Loser Babies!!!!!!!!!!Actually, the new offer was at the "suggestion" of the federal judge mediating.

[LittleD]

Actually, the new offer was at the "suggestion" of the federal judge mediating.

Right and the owner's complied just as they did previously. In fact, the owner's have come to the table many times with new offers only to be rebuffed by these babies and the scum-bag lawyers.

[zrinkill]

So they need to be absolutely, positively sure that they'll lose in the courts before they'll start negotiating again?

Yup ...... what happens when they listen to the type of people they are listening too.

[RS12]

So they need to be absolutely, positively sure that they'll lose in the courts before they'll start negotiating again?

OK.

And when that ruling comes down on June 3rd, they'll have even less leverage than they do today.

And if I were the NFL the next offer would be less than this one.

And so on, and so on, and so on.

The NHL players found out the hard way too.

I think they are waiting to see how much money Judge Doty awards them from the TV contract before they plot their next move.

[peplaw06]

What a way to show your bias.... Many on this board would say the owner's came to the table again with another proposal in good faith and as usual the players turn their noses up and run for the courts.

What a pack of Loser Babies!!!!!!!!!!What in the world are you talking about? What do sarcasm mean? How old are you?

[LittleD]

Yup ...... what happens when they listen to the type of people they are listening too.

You are soooo right!!! You know, there is one and only one thing good about communist takeovers of a country. The first thing they do is round up all the lawyers and shoot them..... Hooorah!!!!

[ThreeSportStar80]

I hope the NFL remains shut down and goes through what MLB endured as the result of their foolishness...

[stasheroo]

I think you have to know the terms of the "new" offer to make any determination there. It's entirely possible they basically just reiterated the previous offer with some slight changes, which would obvious not be palatable to the players.

And that's fine.

They can hate it and reject it and offer a counter-proposal.

I just hope they do something!

But crying to the court of public opinion while doing nothing otherwise isn't good for anyone.

[peplaw06]

So they need to be absolutely, positively sure that they'll lose in the courts before they'll start negotiating again?

OK.

And when that ruling comes down on June 3rd, they'll have even less leverage than they do today.My impression is the owners were asked to come back with another proposal. How that is being spun to be on the players is baffling.

And if I were the NFL the next offer would be less than this one.

And so on, and so on, and so on.

The NHL players found out the hard way too.Good faith be damned. But the owners get a pass right? So it's cool.

[arglebargle]

!!!!

Another ijit for the plonk file.

[CooterBrown]

I think they are waiting to see how much money Judge Doty awards them from the TV contract before they plot their next move.

I think that would be pointless. If the judge were to award them money from the tv contract thing, the owner's would appeal that ruling as well. There are many ways to delay in the legal system, and delay benefits the owners, IF they can delay long enough to force the players to feel the economic pinch. IF the playes can weather the storm, I think the delay will hurt the owners in the long term.

[stasheroo]

I think they are waiting to see how much money Judge Doty awards them from the TV contract before they plot their next move.

How do they get money from a contract that was declared invalid?

[stasheroo]

My impression is the owners were asked to come back with another proposal. How that is being spun to be on the players is baffling.

I don't hear anything regarding the players doing anything with that proposal. Just like they never did anything with the last proposal they received. Pretty hard to negotiate with just one side doing it.

Good faith be damned. But the owners get a pass right? So it's cool.

I'm not giving anybody a free pass, but I see one side negotiating in vain while the other cries to the courts and the public.

And when the next ruling comes down, they'll really have something to cry about.

At that point, they'll be negotiating from a position of even less leverage.

Maybe by that point the majority of players will realize that they're being managed by a 'ship of fools'.

[M'Kevon]

Another ijit for the plonk file.

I wish y'all would stop quoting the ijit. Life around here is so much easier with the ignore function on.

[zrinkill]

You are soooo right!!! You know, there is one and only one thing good about communist takeovers of a country. The first thing they do is round up all the lawyers and shoot them..... Hooorah!!!!

I know you were joking but I do not agree with that.

Lawyers are just gonna advice the players to get all the money they can.

Players just have to remember that the Lawyers are working for them ..... many times the lawyers are so full of themselves they forget that fact.

[arglebargle]

I wish y'all would stop quoting the ijit. Life around here is so much easier with the ignore function on.

Oops, good point!

[arglebargle]

I think that would be pointless. If the judge were to award them money from the tv contract thing, the owner's would appeal that ruling as well. There are many ways to delay in the legal system, and delay benefits the owners, IF they can delay long enough to force the players to feel the economic pinch. IF the playes can weather the storm, I think the delay will hurt the owners in the long term.

I think the owners strategy involved stalling, right from the get go. They only have to keep 32 people from getting nervous, instead of thousands for the players.

[peplaw06]

I don't hear anything regarding the players doing anything with that proposal. Just like they never did anything with the last proposal they received. Pretty hard to negotiate with just one side doing it.Do you know the specifics of the offer? I don't even know if one was made. Just heard that the Magistrate Judge asked them to make a new offer.

I'm not giving anybody a free pass, but I see one side negotiating in vain while the other cries to the courts and the public.Negotiating? So the Magistrate Judge yesterday asks the owners to make an offer, after they had refused to so much as talk to the players' lawyers, and suddenly the owners are a-ok again? Good grief. People have short memories when it suits them or their side.

And when the next ruling comes down, they'll really have something to cry about.

At that point, they'll be negotiating from a position of even less leverage.

Maybe by that point the majority of players will realize that they're being managed by a 'ship of fools'.Is that a prediction or a guarantee? You better be clear about it, because I've seen some pretty nasty insults going back and forth over that distinction.

[stasheroo]

Do you know the specifics of the offer? I don't even know if one was made. Just heard that the Magistrate Judge asked them to make a new offer.

Sorry I don't. For all I know it may have been the same piece of paper they slid across the table in March. I just wish the players would do something with it. Tear it up! Something! Just make some sort of counter-offer so that true negotiating can take place.

Negotiating? So the Magistrate Judge yesterday asks the owners to make an offer, after they had refused to so much as talk to the players' lawyers, and suddenly the owners are a-ok again? Good grief. People have short memories when it suits them or their side.

Real short. The owners were the guys who made the last offer as well, an offer the players did absolutely nothing with. Even a lousy offer is at least a form of negotiating.

Is that a prediction or a guarantee? You better be clear about it, because I've seen some pretty nasty insults going back and forth over that distinction.

I'm not interested in insults - getting or receiving. Just interested in conversation and when appropriate some spirited debate.

But given the recent verdict and the strong wording which accompanied it, I would say that it's a virtual certainty that the players will lose this next round.

You're much better qualified in legal terms than I am. Have you seen it and if so, what do you think?

[Joe Rod]

I know you were joking but I do not agree with that.

Lawyers are just gonna advice the players to get all the money they can.

Players just have to remember that the Lawyers are working for them ..... many times the lawyers are so full of themselves they forget that fact.

Judging by comments in the Off Topic Zone, they do bad movie reviews too! :p:

[big dog cowboy]

Kevin Mawae says two sides are no closer to deal than in March (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/17/kevin-mawae-says-two-sides-are-no-closer-to-deal-than-in-march/)


I expect the same headline in August.

[stasheroo]

Just got done listening to an interview on Sirius/XM NFL Radio (highly recommended channel by the way).

It was with William Gould Stanford Law Professor and former head of the NLRB.

He paints a very grim picture for the players.

He stated that their lone option at this point is a large amount of damages from Judge Doty as a result of the TV lockout deal - and even that is subject to appeal so the players won't get any of that money for a while.

They could potentially try to use that judgement as leverage to get a better deal but there's no guarantee of that either. And such a move and subsequent loss on appeal to lead to and ever lower offer from owners.

He said they're done as far as the court battles are concerned and will be fortunate if the owners don't present an offer lower than the one they got in March.

He stated that the offer in March was made during both an uncertain legal climate and before the players went to litigation. Those moves could result in a lesser offer than they received before and they have little choice at this point.

It was felt that De Smith and Co should get back to the table ASAP for fear of the post June 3rd offer being substantially less.

Mr Gould seemed to indicate that this 'battle' is essentially over and the sooner the players realize it the better.

[big dog cowboy]

Just got done listening to an interview on Sirius/XM NFL Radio (highly recommended channel by the way).


Thanks for the recap. I believe every word.

The players are likely toast at this point. Make a damn deal and lets finally move on!!!

[gimmesix]

I think you have to know the terms of the "new" offer to make any determination there. It's entirely possible they basically just reiterated the previous offer with some slight changes, which would obvious not be palatable to the players.

It's abundantly clear that what the owners want and what the players want is not even close to palatable to the other side.

I'm not sure what kick in the head will get either side to really alter its stance, other than a third party drawing up and agreement and forcing them to agree to it.

[stasheroo]

It's abundantly clear that what the owners want and what the players want is not even close to palatable to the other side.

I'm not sure what kick in the head will get either side to really alter its stance, other than a third party drawing up and agreement and forcing them to agree to it.

Judging by the interview I just heard, the players got that 'kick in the head' yesterday.

And once they 'come to' they'd best get back to the table in a hurry because I think the offers will be going down from this point forward.

[gimmesix]

I hope the NFL remains shut down and goes through what MLB endured as the result of their foolishness...

I care nothing about the NFL being punished for its foolishness, I just want football. I'm myopic that way. :)

[ThreeSportStar80]

I care nothing about the NFL being punished for its foolishness, I just want football. I'm myopic that way. :)

:laugh2:

[bags]

Wow those guys sure work hard. "Hey guys we just put in two solid days. Let's pack it up for 3 weeks huh?"

I understand the June 3 ruling will add new information that'll need to be considered in negotiations, but this is so frustrating.

[Apollo Creed]

There is going to be football this year. Everyone just cool out.

[gimmesix]

Judging by the interview I just heard, the players got that 'kick in the head' yesterday.

And once they 'come to' they'd best get back to the table in a hurry because I think the offers will be going down from this point forward.

I'm not sure, but I was hoping that would be the case.

Something has to cause one side to flinch in this stare-down. I'm still not sure that either will really budge until the courts say they have to.

[Hostile]

There is going to be football this year. Everyone just cool out.
Every panic attack has a to have a medication and you're the big Prozac.

[Apollo Creed]

Every panic attack has a to have a medication and you're the big Prozac.

I try Hos.

It's all about numbers though. This lockout, the media coverage, etc is great for business. It drives up the demand for football, makes advertisers nervous, and starts to make everyone really step back and understand exactly how valuable football is to their lives.

It's much more than just a game to many of us. I'm not ashamed to say I 'need' football. It helps me get through the daily grind, lets me see my dad every Sunday for 5 months, and gives me something to be hopeful for.

SN: I've established a pretty decent relationship with Tyler Thigpen over the past 5 or 6 years since he was at CCU, and he's speaking on the subject tonight but I'm outta town for business. I'll try to post a recap or summary if my buddy can remember enough.

Oh and check your PMs.

[RW Hitman]

Lockout's still on. No football. Good times. Glad the owners got their stay.

On the real, any "breakthroughs" that might have occurred were likely lost when the 8th Circuit issued the stay.

if the appeals court agrees with the NFL, then maybe we will finally see progress because as long as the players win in court what would motivate them to negotiate. Same for the league really, they get the stay and lockout remains, no money made, both sides will wanna get something going in talks.

If no lockout, then players can basically ask for whatever they want and earn what they have been until they get it.

Best thing is for there to be no football until something is agreed on.

[Hostile]

I try Hos.

It's all about numbers though. This lockout, the media coverage, etc is great for business. It drives up the demand for football, makes advertisers nervous, and starts to make everyone really step back and understand exactly how valuable football is to their lives.

It's much more than just a game to many of us. I'm not ashamed to say I 'need' football. It helps me get through the daily grind, lets me see my dad every Sunday for 5 months, and gives me something to be hopeful for.

SN: I've established a pretty decent relationship with Tyler Thigpen over the past 5 or 6 years since he was at CCU, and he's speaking on the subject tonight but I'm outta town for business. I'll try to post a recap or summary if my buddy can remember enough.

Oh and check your PMs.It's like our paver at the stadium says, quoting Michael Irvin..."Don't tell me it's just a game."

[Apollo Creed]

It's like our paver at the stadium says, quoting Michael Irvin..."Don't tell me it's just a game."

Had no idea that was on our paver. Really good stuff right there. Whose idea was that?

[Hostile]

Had no idea that was on our paver. Really good stuff right there. Whose idea was that?The forum voted on it.

We did one for Pops too, and one for a member here who died in Afghanistan.

I want one for myself now.

[peplaw06]

Sorry I don't. For all I know it may have been the same piece of paper they slid across the table in March. I just wish the players would do something with it. Tear it up! Something! Just make some sort of counter-offer so that true negotiating can take place.That's kind of my point. We don't know if real negotiating is taking place. After so much time of the sides not talking, I find it hard to praise either side as far as willingness to negotiate in good faith.


Real short. The owners were the guys who made the last offer as well, an offer the players did absolutely nothing with. Even a lousy offer is at least a form of negotiating.It's not real negotiating. If an offer is an insult, I don't fault an insulted side for walking away from the table.

I'm not interested in insults - getting or receiving. Just interested in conversation and when appropriate some spirited debate.

But given the recent verdict and the strong wording which accompanied it, I would say that it's a virtual certainty that the players will lose this next round.

You're much better qualified in legal terms than I am. Have you seen it and if so, what do you think?I haven't had the time to review it yet. I may peruse it in the next couple of days.

[stasheroo]

That's kind of my point. We don't know if real negotiating is taking place. After so much time of the sides not talking, I find it hard to praise either side as far as willingness to negotiate in good faith.

At this point, I think the next offer may turn out to be less than the one they got in March.

It's not real negotiating. If an offer is an insult, I don't fault an insulted side for walking away from the table.

It's an offer, Bruised ego needs to be put aside. If the players are 'insulted', they should counter with an equally 'insulting' offer to the owners. Doing nothing helps noone.

I haven't had the time to review it yet. I may peruse it in the next couple of days.

I look forward to hearing what you think of it.

A Stanford law professor and former head of the NLRB said in an interview today that the players have lost any real legal leverage and if it was him, he'd be back at the table really soon.