Help me with this Kevin Kolb bull

[jblaze2004]

isn't he the guy we faced at the end of last season that threw 3 ints and played like crap against us. Our defense was some crap last season and we looked like the steelers great defense when we played against him (yes i know it was vs their back ups). But still McGee played a better game than him. I'm not getting the kolb love. People are saying he it will take more than a number 1 to get him. The most I would give is a 2. Def. Not giving up a 1 for him so why would someone give up a number 1 and change on a qb like kolb who had 1 or 2 good games and other bad game. Against GB he played bad also. Yeah he played good vs the falcons but come on the falcon's corners doesn't impress me at all.

Not only would you give up draft picks but then you also have to sign him to another contract after next season. He will get some team almost like how we got hosed in the Roy Williams trade and outrageous contract.

can someone shed some like on this situation for me?

[Doomsday101]

isn't he the guy we faced at the end of last season that threw 3 ints and played like crap against us. Our defense was some crap last season and we looked like the steelers great defense when we played against him (yes i know it was vs their back ups). But still McGee played a better game than him. I'm not getting the kolb love. People are saying he it will take more than a number 1 to get him. The most I would give is a 2. Def. Not giving up a 1 for him so why would someone give up a number 1 and change on a qb like kolb who had 1 or 2 good games and other bad game. Against GB he played bad also. Yeah he played good vs the falcons but come on the falcon's corners doesn't impress me at all.

Not only would you give up draft picks but then you also have to sign him to another contract after next season. He will get some team almost like how we got hosed in the Roy Williams trade and outrageous contract.

can someone shed some like on this situation for me?

Chances are someone will step up and make a deal for Kolb it shows how hard up teams get for a QB

[jobberone]

Kolb has shown he can play well at times. He is an inexperienced QB and he's going to have his ups and downs. Teams will break his film down in a manner we cannot duplicate. IOWs people that have real knowledge will make real decisions.

[zrinkill]

Does he play golf?

[JPM]

Does he play golf?
and wear his hat backwards.

[zrinkill]

Does he play golf?

and wear his hat backwards.

And does he date hotties?

[Stautner]

isn't he the guy we faced at the end of last season that threw 3 ints and played like crap against us. Our defense was some crap last season and we looked like the steelers great defense when we played against him (yes i know it was vs their back ups). But still McGee played a better game than him. I'm not getting the kolb love. People are saying he it will take more than a number 1 to get him. The most I would give is a 2. Def. Not giving up a 1 for him so why would someone give up a number 1 and change on a qb like kolb who had 1 or 2 good games and other bad game. Against GB he played bad also. Yeah he played good vs the falcons but come on the falcon's corners doesn't impress me at all.

Not only would you give up draft picks but then you also have to sign him to another contract after next season. He will get some team almost like how we got hosed in the Roy Williams trade and outrageous contract.

can someone shed some like on this situation for me?

I haven't been reading this. I wouldn't mind having Kolb - I really think he has more long term potential than McGee. But there is no way he has done enough to warrent using a number 1 on him, much less more than a no. 1. I'm not even sure I would use a No. 2 on him. If Philly will take a 3rd rounder we can talk.

[DFWJC]

I haven't been reading this. I wouldn't mind having Kolb - I really think he has more long term potential than McGee. But there is no way he has done enough to warrent using a number 1 on him, much less more than a no. 1. I'm not even sure I would use a No. 2 on him. If Philly will take a 3rd rounder we can talk.
I can't even imgaine that any one outside of a Cowboy forum would ever even consider that McGee is better than Kolb.

I do think Mcgee is improving; so give him credit there

[Doomsday101]

I can't even imgaine that any one outside of a Cowboy forum would ever even consider that McGee is better than Kolb.

I do think Mcgee is improving; so give him credit there

I would not say McGee is better but I will say I have less faith in Kolb to become a quality QB than I felt before.

I may not like the Eagles but I respect Andy Reid and his ability to get the most out of his QB which is why I think Vick did so well despite missing all the time he did. Kolb under Reid should be much further along than he has shown.

[Yakuza Rich]

I don't get why teams are enamored with Kolb either. He's really had 2 good games (New Orleans in '09 and Atlanta in '10) and neither team had a good defense. The Saints were good enough that year and forced a lot of turnovers which works well with a high scoring offense. The Falcons were more or less steady, much due to having a really good and balanced offense. But when they faced the Packers at Atlanta...they got scorched.

In the first game against the Packers Kolb was beyond awful and then got injured. Vick played well, but wasn't exactly Joe Montana out there and the Eagles readily made the switch at QB and didn't even bat an eye.

The thing is that teams have been burned before, like AJ Feeley. And I thought Feeley looked better in the Eagles offense than Kolb, although Kolb undoubtedly has a better arm.

My guess is that teams like Kolb because of his arm and he knows the Reid playbook, which is very difficult to learn. So they think he can learn their playbook as well.

Gotta give the Eagles credit, I just don't see why people are in love with the guy.






YR

[SDCowboy85]

I don't get the Kolb obsession either. The guy is horrendous yet the media loves him. Many think he's worth two 1sts.

[Stautner]

I can't even imgaine that any one outside of a Cowboy forum would ever even consider that McGee is better than Kolb.

I do think Mcgee is improving; so give him credit there

I agree with this. I would certainly rather take my chances with McGee than give up a No. 1 for Kolb, especially considering we hopefully wont need a new starter for a few years and hopefully we will still have time to take another direction if McGee does not work out.

I would not say McGee is better but I will say I have less faith in Kolb to become a quality QB than I felt before.

I may not like the Eagles but I respect Andy Reid and his ability to get the most out of his QB which is why I think Vick did so well despite missing all the time he did. Kolb under Reid should be much further along than he has shown.

I agree with this too. I like Kolb's potential, but he just hasn't taken it as far as he needed to after several years in the NFL.

[stasheroo]

I don't get why teams are enamored with Kolb either. He's really had 2 good games (New Orleans in '09 and Atlanta in '10) and neither team had a good defense. The Saints were good enough that year and forced a lot of turnovers which works well with a high scoring offense. The Falcons were more or less steady, much due to having a really good and balanced offense. But when they faced the Packers at Atlanta...they got scorched.

In the first game against the Packers Kolb was beyond awful and then got injured. Vick played well, but wasn't exactly Joe Montana out there and the Eagles readily made the switch at QB and didn't even bat an eye.

The thing is that teams have been burned before, like AJ Feeley. And I thought Feeley looked better in the Eagles offense than Kolb, although Kolb undoubtedly has a better arm.

My guess is that teams like Kolb because of his arm and he knows the Reid playbook, which is very difficult to learn. So they think he can learn their playbook as well.

Gotta give the Eagles credit, I just don't see why people are in love with the guy.

YR

I think you've summed it up nicely.

I think the quick hook he got for Vick speaks volumes.

As soon as he was out, Vick was in, and in for good.

No controversy, no competition, no doubt.

Anyone who gives up even a #2 is getting taken to the cleaners.

Kolb had two decent games, one against a pathetic defense, and the other in a shoot-out game where all he could do was pass to try to stay in it.

A former GM was asked to scout Kolb based on last year's performance.

His evaluation?

"I'd give two 4ths for him"

[Yakuza Rich]

I don't get the Kolb obsession either. The guy is horrendous yet the media loves him. Many think he's worth two 1sts.

The media loves the Eagles.

Their fans are mostly low lifes...but according to the media they are 'passionate.'

Reid's children are a mess, but Andy Reid is supposedly the nicest guy ever.

They could've nipped the Terrell Owens situation in the bud by giving him a contract he was worth (and they had the salary cap room) and instead they stumbled. But, that's okay..it's Owens' fault.

They sign a brutal and sadistic dog killer in Vick, but that's okay...Reid knew what it was like with people who needed a 2nd chance given the problems with his own children.

With the media, the Eagles live a charmed life.





YR

[Outlaw Heroes]

The media loves the Eagles.

Their fans are mostly low lifes...but according to the media they are 'passionate.'

Reid's children are a mess, but Andy Reid is supposedly the nicest guy ever.

They could've nipped the Terrell Owens situation in the bud by giving him a contract he was worth (and they had the salary cap room) and instead they stumbled. But, that's okay..it's Owens' fault.

They sign a brutal and sadistic dog killer in Vick, but that's okay...Reid knew what it was like with people who needed a 2nd chance given the problems with his own children.

With the media, the Eagles live a charmed life.





YR

"Sigh. If only the media handed out Lombardi Trophies."

--Jeff Lurie

[DFWJC]

I think you've summed it up nicely.

I think the quick hook he got for Vick speaks volumes.

As soon as he was out, Vick was in, and in for good.

No controversy, no competition, no doubt.

Anyone who gives up even a #2 is getting taken to the cleaners.

Kolb had two decent games, one against a pathetic defense, and the other in a shoot-out game where all he could do was pass to try to stay in it.

A former GM was asked to scout Kolb based on last year's performance.

His evaluation?

"I'd give two 4ths for him"

Didn't Kolb get hurt?

And then, when Vick came in he lit the league on fire. I think he was the highest rated QB in the entire NFL. That should have kept Kolb riding the pine, imo.

As for giving up a ton for him in a trade. I agree with you and others that it should be buyer beware--based mosty on his lack of volume of work.

Kolb's story remains to be written. We'll know more soon enough.

[Yakuza Rich]

Didn't Kolb get hurt?

And then, when Vick came in he lit the league on fire. I think he was the highest rated QB in the entire NFL. That should have kept Kolb riding the pine, imo.

As for giving up a ton for him in a trade. I agree with you and others that it should be buyer beware--based mosty on his lack of volume of work.

Kolb's story remains to be written. We'll know more soon enough.

Kolb got hurt, but looked awful. Vick came in and played well, but didn't exactly look like Unitas. 16-24, 175 yards, 1 TD.

However, Vick was immediately named the starter after that.

I just think if the Eagles really thought more of Kolb they probably would've had him back starting immediately. Instead they decided to make Vick the starter for the rest of the year.





YR

[Outlaw Heroes]

Kolb got hurt, but looked awful. Vick came in and played well, but didn't exactly look like Unitas. 16-24, 175 yards, 1 TD.


That's a 101.9 QB rating, in a game (really, a little more than a half) in which he also rushed for 103 yards. Pretty eye-popping numbers.

[Doomsday101]

Kolb got hurt, but looked awful. Vick came in and played well, but didn't exactly look like Unitas. 16-24, 175 yards, 1 TD.

However, Vick was immediately named the starter after that.

I just think if the Eagles really thought more of Kolb they probably would've had him back starting immediately. Instead they decided to make Vick the starter for the rest of the year.





YR

Kolb did get back in the lineup when Vick went down with the Rib injury vs the Redskins and missed 3 games

[Stautner]

The media loves the Eagles.

Their fans are mostly low lifes...but according to the media they are 'passionate.'

Reid's children are a mess, but Andy Reid is supposedly the nicest guy ever.

They could've nipped the Terrell Owens situation in the bud by giving him a contract he was worth (and they had the salary cap room) and instead they stumbled. But, that's okay..it's Owens' fault.

They sign a brutal and sadistic dog killer in Vick, but that's okay...Reid knew what it was like with people who needed a 2nd chance given the problems with his own children.

With the media, the Eagles live a charmed life.





YR

I hate our fans talking like this. It sounds like sour grapes and jealousy.

Come on, the media has many times presented Philly fans as being impossible to please for the home team and ungracious and even obnoxious to opposing teams.

And nice guys can have kids that screw up.

Don't you think the fans of other teams think the media is too enamored with "America's Team" and the new beautiful stadium and that Jerry Jones has too much power in the NFL etc .....?

[Chocolate Lab]

Yeah, Kolb pretty much sucks, and I think his trade value has been grossly overrated by certain commentators.

But I guess when you see Jake Locker going #8 overall, anything's possible.

[Doomsday101]

I hate our fans talking like this. It sounds like sour grapes and jealousy.

Come on, the media has many times presented Philly fans as being impossible to please for the home team and ungracious and even obnoxious to opposing teams.

And nice guys can have kids that screw up.

Don't you think the fans of other teams think the media is too enamored with "America's Team" and the new beautiful stadium and that Jerry Jones has too much power in the NFL etc .....?

I know when I went to this past Thanksgiving Day game Saints fans felt that. Saints got out to a quick lead but as Dallas came back on them all the Saints fan (which there were many) started complaining about how the refs favored the Cowboys and how Dallas always gets away with things. I could not stop from laughing and thinking of this site when I heard that. :laugh2:

[DFWJC]

Kolb got hurt, but looked awful. Vick came in and played well, but didn't exactly look like Unitas. 16-24, 175 yards, 1 TD.

However, Vick was immediately named the starter after that.

I just think if the Eagles really thought more of Kolb they probably would've had him back starting immediately. Instead they decided to make Vick the starter for the rest of the year.

YR
I hear you , YR. But I watched that game and Vick looked awfully good to me. Plus Kolb was going to be out a few weeks.

Either way, I think we agree that Kolb's body of work is far to incomplete for people to be falling all over themselves for him.
I just would not rule him out becoming a good NFL QB down the road.

[Stautner]

I hear you , YR. But I watched that game and Vick looked awfully good to me. Plus Kolb was going to be out a few weeks.

Either way, I think we agree that Kolb's body of work is far to incomplete for people to be falling all over themselves for him.
I just would not rule him out becoming a good NFL QB down the road.

I agree with all of this. Let's face it, Vick became a very good QB last year. He's always been one of the most, and probably the most, physically gifted QB ever, but he never had the discipline to play within a system - he always resorted to his athleticism to make plays rather than letting the offense work. He was much more disciplined and willing to function within thefense last year, while still retaining the ability to let his legs make plays, and it showed. It would have been pretty hard to get him out of the lineup afte a few games.

[Fletch]

isn't he the guy we faced at the end of last season that threw 3 ints and played like crap against us. Our defense was some crap last season and we looked like the steelers great defense when we played against him (yes i know it was vs their back ups). But still McGee played a better game than him. I'm not getting the kolb love. People are saying he it will take more than a number 1 to get him. The most I would give is a 2. Def. Not giving up a 1 for him so why would someone give up a number 1 and change on a qb like kolb who had 1 or 2 good games and other bad game. Against GB he played bad also. Yeah he played good vs the falcons but come on the falcon's corners doesn't impress me at all.

Not only would you give up draft picks but then you also have to sign him to another contract after next season. He will get some team almost like how we got hosed in the Roy Williams trade and outrageous contract.

can someone shed some like on this situation for me?

Well the media makes him sound totally awesome! :rolleyes:

[skinsscalper]

I think Kolb's perceived trade value comes from the McNabb factor. Kolb is the guy that the Eagles jettisoned McNabb to make room for. Now, there's enough McNabb hate in this forum to build a mountain with and rightfully so. But, other than the late Jim Johnson, there has never been a more cold-blooded Cowboy-Killer than Donovan McNabb. Not only was he a Cowboy-killer, he was an NFC East killer. He's no shoe in for the HOF, but he's made a strong case. Next thing you know he's being swept out of town for this Kolb kid. Hmmm, this kid must be pretty amazing, huh? Not so much. But, since they shipped McNabb out of town to give the guy a shot, he must be worth atleast a 1st round pick in a trade (despite the fact that he hasn't played enough ball to prove that he's worth even a 3rd round pick).

That's how I see it, anyway, because I certainly haven't seen anything on the field that would merit giving up a 1st round pick for the guy.

[Sarge]

I hate our fans talking like this. It sounds like sour grapes and jealousy.


Agree- I don't know where some of this nonsense is coming from.

[Muhast]

Look Wat the falcons got for Matt schaub when they traded him to houston. At the time his career stats were 0-2 as a starter with 3 tds and 3 picks

[jblaze2004]

Look Wat the falcons got for Matt schaub when they traded him to houston. At the time his career stats were 0-2 as a starter with 3 tds and 3 picks

didnt they also give up their number 1, or switch number 1 picks too? In reality i think they traded him for a 2nd rounder.

[Muhast]

didnt they also give up their number 1, or switch number 1 picks too? In reality i think they traded him for a 2nd rounder.

The Falcons gave up:

Schaub
10th pick overall

Texans gave up 8th pick overall and 2 2nd rounds.

Moving up 2 spots in the top 10 is pretty significant, and 2 2nd's on top of it.

Schaub turned out to be good, but at the time he had nothing showing he was worth any of it.

[casmith07]

I hate our fans talking like this. It sounds like sour grapes and jealousy.


Man I tell you what, I wish we had ourselves a real GM like the Eagles. That is a classy organization that the Cowboys should emulate.

Just calling it like I see it guys -- they are the model for a football organization in the NFL.

Better?

[J-DOG]

Where is this rumor that we are interested in Kolb?
Link?

[Anjinsan]

Kolb's a good QB. His team gave up on him last year because they wanted Vick. Heck, he's from South Texas so he has to be good.

[hornitosmonster]

Have you seen the Cardinals QB's? It is easy to see why they would give up a #1. They didn't draft a QB and Fitz becomes a free agent after next year. Fitz will leave if they do not make him happy.

[hornitosmonster]

Where is this rumor that we are interested in Kolb?
Link?

What!! LOL!! Only idiots would take kolb over Romo...

[MarionBarberThe4th]

2nd round raft pick who has experience in Andy Reids system. Valuable player IMO. Id give up a 1st if Im the Cardinals(Or Vikings if they didnt already take Ponder)

[187beatdown]

Agree- I don't know where some of this nonsense is coming from.

The media is not kind to Philly AT all. I know these guys ***** and moan more than we do. Fact.

[SaltwaterServr]

I think Kolb's perceived trade value comes from the McNabb factor. Kolb is the guy that the Eagles jettisoned McNabb to make room for. Now, there's enough McNabb hate in this forum to build a mountain with and rightfully so. But, other than the late Jim Johnson, there has never been a more cold-blooded Cowboy-Killer than Donovan McNabb. Not only was he a Cowboy-killer, he was an NFC East killer. He's no shoe in for the HOF, but he's made a strong case. Next thing you know he's being swept out of town for this Kolb kid. Hmmm, this kid must be pretty amazing, huh? Not so much. But, since they shipped McNabb out of town to give the guy a shot, he must be worth atleast a 1st round pick in a trade (despite the fact that he hasn't played enough ball to prove that he's worth even a 3rd round pick).

That's how I see it, anyway, because I certainly haven't seen anything on the field that would merit giving up a 1st round pick for the guy.


To be fair, McNabb was lighting up the Cowboys and NFC East when the East was patently putrid. Once the Cowboys and Giants balanced out the talent inequities, McNabb began to closer to that of an average NFL quarterback.

[burmafrd]

Once we got good again, McFlabb was an above average QB and that was all.

[Teague31]

kevin kolb = rob johnson.

[Deep_Freeze]

Until he gets extended playing time, we will never know for sure about Kolb. That said, if I were the Cardinals, I wouldn't give up more and a 2 rounder at all.

[DFWJC]

What!! LOL!! Only idiots would take kolb over Romo...
I think they mean as a backup.

[stasheroo]

To be fair, McNabb was lighting up the Cowboys and NFC East when the East was patently putrid. Once the Cowboys and Giants balanced out the talent inequities, McNabb began to closer to that of an average NFL quarterback.

On the McNabb subject I find it mildly amusing that the masses have apparently finally caught on to him and his act.

Something that many of us have known since the 'TO in Philly' days.

[skinsscalper]

To be fair, McNabb was lighting up the Cowboys and NFC East when the East was patently putrid. Once the Cowboys and Giants balanced out the talent inequities, McNabb began to closer to that of an average NFL quarterback.


I'll agree to a certain extent, but you have to keep in mind that McNabb did much of that with a bunch of nobodies as a WR corp (with the exception of T.O. earlier and Jackson the past couple of years). He also had virtually no running game to speak of.

I hate McNabb as much as any Cowboys fan, but I'm no blind fool. The guy made a lot of things happen despite some significant factors stacked against him.

[Outlaw Heroes]

I hate McNabb as much as any Cowboys fan, but I'm no blind fool. The guy made a lot of things happen despite some significant factors stacked against him.

Not the least of which was his terrible accuracy.

[AMERICAS_FAN]

I don't get the Kolb obsession either. The guy is horrendous yet the media loves him. Many think he's worth two 1sts.

If one of those teams is Washington, then all I have to say is "get'er done Danny!". ;)