Introducing the Worked-Shoot Era of WWE

[zrinkill]

Vince McMahon's demotion and what lies ahead for WWE

"I love you, Pop, and I'm sorry."

With those unspectacular words, Triple H relieved his real-life father-in-law, WWE chairman Vince McMahon, of his duties. It was a storyline, obviously, but the way it was delivered spoke to a larger theme: For the first time, Triple H, the WWE Board of Directors' on-screen representative, made unveiled reference to the facts that he's married to Vince's daughter and part of the WWE brain trust. John Cena threatened to leave for rival promotion TNA Wrestling if Vince lived up to his promise of firing Cena. Both lines were knee-deep in scripted histrionics, but they also stood as examples of the somewhat real, worked-shoot style that CM Punk brought back into vogue in June.

Despite the fact that he wasn't even present for the proceedings, Punk's spirit filled the arena.1 Physically, Punk — your putative WWE champion — was in Chicago, cavorting offscreen with the championship belt. If that seems unusual, well, it is. Allow me to recap.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6784925/introducing-worked-shoot-era


This is a good article.

[DallasGirl50]

Good article but HHH & Orton worked a story several years ago where Orton was terrorizing Steph & HHH was there to save his wife. And they had him going to Randy's house and his "wife".....

[zrinkill]

Good article but HHH & Orton worked a story several years ago where Orton was terrorizing Steph & HHH was there to save his wife. And they had him going to Randy's house and his "wife".....

That was not really a worked shoot ..... nobody thought that was real.

Well ..... maybe some kids.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Good article but HHH & Orton worked a story several years ago where Orton was terrorizing Steph & HHH was there to save his wife. And they had him going to Randy's house and his "wife".....

Yup. Everyone knows he is married to steph.


And btw its been dubbed realERA

[DallasGirl50]

They both married well. Vince gets a son in law who knows the business inside and out..he married into the job of a lifetime

[big dog cowboy]

Call it the "Worked-Shoot Era"

I like that. Great article BTW.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Call it the "Worked-Shoot Era"

I like that. Great article BTW.

Which has been the backbone for tna booking since hogan arrived btw

[zrinkill]

Call it the "Worked-Shoot Era"

I like that. Great article BTW.

Yup ...... glad WWE is doing something great, nobody has done this type of thing in 10 years ...... at least not successfully.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Yup ...... glad WWE is doing something great, nobody has done this type of thing in 10 years ...... at least not successfully.

I'm sure being a profitable company and being #2 in an industry in 9 years is considered successful.

[zrinkill]

I take what I said back ...... Ring Of Honor will be successful doing it ...... of course they are about to restart a working relationship with the WWE.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I take what I said back ...... Ring Of Honor will be successful doing it ...... of course they are about to restart a working relationship with the WWE.

Ok a company that used to pull .06 ratings vs the company that pulls 1.2s-1.4's, I wonder which is more successful?


Freaking homer. Weren't you the one who asked what Ring of Honor was 4 months ago? Do you even know 5 people on the roster? Have fun googling it! Whos the top 2 workers? Harder to google that, and it's not a matter of opinion its a fact. TNA>ROH in ring, and ROH has 1 storyline, and they repeat it all the freakin' time which is tag team breakup and feud for 2 years. and I'm a huge ROH fan, probably more so than TNA or WWE at this point.

[zrinkill]

Hey ....... does anyone remember who it was that bought the CM Punk is leaving angle hook line and sinker?

What was that marks name?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/zrinkill/cm_punk_fools_you_by_svp_cule-d37012r.jpg

[zrinkill]

In other funny news

John Laurinaitis Legitimately Punched by John Cena

http://www.wrestlingnewssource.com/feed_news-20270-John_Laurinaitis_Legitimately_Punched_by_John_Cena .php

[BraveHeartFan]

Good work by WWE.

I know from what I've watched, and read, about TNA that they've attempted to do this type of thing for a while but they fail miserably at it. It's the people they have running their company though, and not so much their wrestlers, that can't seem to work it right.


I've seen their silly little backstage, after show, promos where they're always trying to make it seem more 'real' but those come off as so hokey and stupid. But, again, it's because of who they have running the show and calling the shots. If they had quality management I believe they'd pull it off very well as well.


Unfortunately for TNA Eric Bishoff doesn't have a nWo, shock the world when Hogan turns out to be the bad guy leader, deal he can pull out of his *** in order to make TNA become the #1.


Also I've heard, and seen, people here bragging about being the #2 company in the wrestling world and how that is something.

Being #2 out of a whole 2 companies only means you're last. It's that simple.

ROH doesn't count yet, as they've not got national, and the Mexican and Japanese companies aren't shown in the states, and such, to be part of the deal. Otherwise one of those companies would likely be beating all of them.


But, yeah, TNA drawing the #2 ranking out of 2 is not something to hang ones hat on.

[DallasGirl50]

I was the one who had never heard of ROH & posted that...I don't know a thing about them...then and now.

[BraveHeartFan]

I was the one who had never heard of ROH & posted that...I don't know a thing about them...then and now.

I recall that.

They're not a bad company but they're small, indy, with very little in way of storyline and presentation. They're all about the in-ring product and, like ECW used to have with the hardcore section of fans, it's worked to get them a quality, all be it smaller, dedicated following.

[zrinkill]

I recall that.

They're not a bad company but they're small, indy, with very little in way of storyline and presentation. They're all about the in-ring product and, like ECW used to have with the hardcore section of fans, it's worked to get them a quality, all be it smaller, dedicated following.

ROH has some great athletes and a few guys with promise.

Their soon to be relationship with WWE will only help them.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Good work by WWE.

I know from what I've watched, and read, about TNA that they've attempted to do this type of thing for a while but they fail miserably at it. It's the people they have running their company though, and not so much their wrestlers, that can't seem to work it right.


I've seen their silly little backstage, after show, promos where they're always trying to make it seem more 'real' but those come off as so hokey and stupid. But, again, it's because of who they have running the show and calling the shots. If they had quality management I believe they'd pull it off very well as well.


Unfortunately for TNA Eric Bishoff doesn't have a nWo, shock the world when Hogan turns out to be the bad guy leader, deal he can pull out of his *** in order to make TNA become the #1.


Also I've heard, and seen, people here bragging about being the #2 company in the wrestling world and how that is something.

Being #2 out of a whole 2 companies only means you're last. It's that simple.

ROH doesn't count yet, as they've not got national, and the Mexican and Japanese companies aren't shown in the states, and such, to be part of the deal. Otherwise one of those companies would likely be beating all of them.


But, yeah, TNA drawing the #2 ranking out of 2 is not something to hang ones hat on.

It's far from #2 out of #2, in UK its #1 out of much more than 2, it draws upwards of 200,000 viewers for iMPACT while WWE draws less than 140,000 for PPV's which air for free and around 120k for RAW, less than that for SD. TNA wasn't even in the UK before Hogan & Bischoff arrived, in a year and a half they have overtaken WWE in a market they have been in for atleast a decade+.


A few other markets TNA is close to WWE in, or beating them in, and they are not the only two players in the game. NWA hollywood has tv, Lucha Libre USA has TV, a few more do aswell.

TNA is a company that employees hundreds of employees making valid livings, and giving other people that work 1 or 2 nights every few months a great source of extra income, it's a profitable venture that is the highest rated show on its network by far, outdrawing UFC fight nights outdrawing UFC ultimate fighter.

TNA is not some **** company, and being 2nd place in any industry is not something to shake your head at.

[Romo 2 Austin]

ROH has some great athletes and a few guys with promise.

Their soon to be relationship with WWE will only help them.

:laugh1: :laugh2: :laugh1:


If ROH has a working relationship with WWE, the ROH fanbase will abandon WWE if its not done right. A majority of ROH's fanbase lol @ WWE like it's a lulzcat and only watched Punk before the last few weeks, and a majority of ROH's fanbase prefer the TNA product tenfold to WWE's, why? They have wrestling. ROH fans don't give 2 ****s about the storylines, it's all about the in-ring product.

Infact, a working relationship it won't happen. Luke Gallows, Colt Cabana and Ace Steele are Punks best friends, and none are under a contract to ROH. That's all they need to bring in.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I was the one who had never heard of ROH & posted that...I don't know a thing about them...then and now.

I remember you said that, one of the only ones to admit it when I post about ROH people ignore it. Zrinkill probably can't name nothing from ROH without googling it. That's not a problem, very few people can, probably only around 20,000 or so people can, but he claims it will overtake TNA with millions of fans because WWE mentioned them on TV once? LOL.


"and if I can't do it here, i'll go on someone elses show where I can, Brother!" -John Cena on Monday. I guess there must be a working relationship between TNA & WWE now eh zrinkill?

[zrinkill]

Good work by WWE.

I know from what I've watched, and read, about TNA that they've attempted to do this type of thing for a while but they fail miserably at it. It's the people they have running their company though, and not so much their wrestlers, that can't seem to work it right.


I've seen their silly little backstage, after show, promos where they're always trying to make it seem more 'real' but those come off as so hokey and stupid. But, again, it's because of who they have running the show and calling the shots. If they had quality management I believe they'd pull it off very well as well.

Its really a shame because back in 2006-2007 when Angle first arrived they had some amazing matches and vendettas between Joe and Kurt.

It quickly died away with some of the silly stuff you see today and really went down hill when Hogan got involved.

[DallasGirl50]

Hogan is in for a boatload of upcoming bad publicity which is already starting...Linda just released a book in which she claims for most of their marriage that he was physically abusive. There are 2 sides to every story but the burgeoning gossip industry eats that stuff up. She also claims he was addicted to any number of drugs...i saw an online blurb about her book the other day.

[daschoo]

It's far from #2 out of #2, in UK its #1 out of much more than 2, it draws upwards of 200,000 viewers for iMPACT while WWE draws less than 140,000 for PPV's which air for free and around 120k for RAW, less than that for SD. TNA wasn't even in the UK before Hogan & Bischoff arrived, in a year and a half they have overtaken WWE in a market they have been in for atleast a decade+.

Sorry bud but I'm highly dubious about your numbers there. WWE is on the biggest sports channel in the country and is broadcast live, whereas TNA is shown on a channel that a hell of a lot of folk don't even know they have with impact going out 5 days after in the U.S. and ppv's 3 days after. I've never looked into the numbers because quite frankly I don't care but from speaking to the casual fan or folk who don't particularly watch it they're a LOT more aware of the WWE and whats happening in their programming.
I'd maybe be more inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt if the second half of that paragraph wasn't so wrong. TNA wasn't in the UK before Hogan and Bischoff? I don't know where you read that but frankly its bollocks. As much as I wish Scotland wasn't a part of the UK I'm fairly certain we are and I can tell you that I was watching impact and TNA ppvs on my television long before that pair showed up (and being a lot more entertained). I went to a TNA house show shortly after they'd signed Angle, hell I remember watching Daniels v Joe v AJ for the X division title being broadcast here. The only thing I can think of is that the channel carrying TNA went bust and it took a few weeks for someone else to pick up the rights which happened shortly before Hogan was announced. To say TNA is number 1 here is a push but to say its number 1 due to Hogan is laughable.

edit: just noticed you said number 1 out of much more than 2. what other promotions? I'm assuming you mean local promotions but since none of them are televised in any way shape or form and generally perform in clubs and small sports halls in front of a couple of hundred people I don't think you can really include them in any comparisons.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Sorry bud but I'm highly dubious about your numbers there. WWE is on the biggest sports channel in the country and is broadcast live, whereas TNA is shown on a channel that a hell of a lot of folk don't even know they have with impact going out 5 days after in the U.S. and ppv's 3 days after. I've never looked into the numbers because quite frankly I don't care but from speaking to the casual fan or folk who don't particularly watch it they're a LOT more aware of the WWE and whats happening in their programming.
I'd maybe be more inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt if the second half of that paragraph wasn't so wrong. TNA wasn't in the UK before Hogan and Bischoff? I don't know where you read that but frankly its bollocks. As much as I wish Scotland wasn't a part of the UK I'm fairly certain we are and I can tell you that I was watching impact and TNA ppvs on my television long before that pair showed up (and being a lot more entertained). I went to a TNA house show shortly after they'd signed Angle, hell I remember watching Daniels v Joe v AJ for the X division title being broadcast here. The only thing I can think of is that the channel carrying TNA went bust and it took a few weeks for someone else to pick up the rights which happened shortly before Hogan was announced. To say TNA is number 1 here is a push but to say its number 1 due to Hogan is laughable.

edit: just noticed you said number 1 out of much more than 2. what other promotions? I'm assuming you mean local promotions but since none of them are televised in any way shape or form and generally perform in clubs and small sports halls in front of a couple of hundred people I don't think you can really include them in any comparisons.


Here you go:
http://pwinsider.com/article/59829/wwe-and-tna-uk-ratings.html?p=1

WWE AND TNA UK RATINGS
By Ian Hamilton on 2011-07-13 15:06:39 UK Ratings for the week ending July 3, 2011:
Raw (from June 27)
- drew 152,000 viewers in the live airing (+35,000/+30% on last week)

SmackDown (from July 1)
- drew 96,000 viewers in the first airing (-21,000/-18%)

TNA (from June 23)
- drew 236,000 in the first airing (+43,000/+22%)
- drew 126,000 on a Saturday night replay



I have not once seen RAW beat TNA in 2011 in the UK. I assumed there would be local promotions on TV there, guess I was wrong I know there are local promotins, here and I assumed NWE would atleast have TV, fair assumption considering the crowds they draw, and maybe they were on before Hogan, but I know the numbers have surged since the Hogan regime has started, drawing a lot more viewers than WWE.

[daschoo]

Here you go:
http://pwinsider.com/article/59829/wwe-and-tna-uk-ratings.html?p=1

WWE AND TNA UK RATINGS
By Ian Hamilton on 2011-07-13 15:06:39 UK Ratings for the week ending July 3, 2011:
Raw (from June 27)
- drew 152,000 viewers in the live airing (+35,000/+30% on last week)

SmackDown (from July 1)
- drew 96,000 viewers in the first airing (-21,000/-18%)

TNA (from June 23)
- drew 236,000 in the first airing (+43,000/+22%)
- drew 126,000 on a Saturday night replay



I have not once seen RAW beat TNA in 2011 in the UK. I assumed there would be local promotions on TV there, guess I was wrong I know there are local promotins, here and I assumed NWE would atleast have TV, fair assumption considering the crowds they draw, and maybe they were on before Hogan, but I know the numbers have surged since the Hogan regime has started, drawing a lot more viewers than WWE.

do your numbers take account for the fact that the first airings for raw and smackdown are at 2am? thats going to hurt raws particularly as theres not a lot of people are going to sit up until 4am if they have to be up for work at 7am. tna by comparison finishes at midnight which is a lot more manageable for people with work the following morning.

[zrinkill]

do your numbers take account for the fact that the first airings for raw and smackdown are at 2am?

:laugh2:

:bow:

[Yakuza Rich]

Worked shoots at one time could work because back in the pre-ECW era, wrestling promotions refused to acknowledge each other unless they were a member of the NWA. So you would get a pretty popular wrestler jumping promotions, say...Ricky Steamboat...and they would act like he was a rookie or he just went into some type of hiatus. And in particular, fans back then were more likely to be fans of any promotion than today where they are more or less loyal to one promotion and that's it.

Now, it's shocking only in the sense that it's different from the norm.

And the WWE has never really handled these type of angles very well.

Wrestling isn't rocket science. It's about getting conflict, building up the heat, promoting the showdown and then getting the pop at the payoff.

Today what we see with wrestling is that they get the pop first, get the showdown next and skip building up the heat. The heat is such a key element and these so-called brilliant TV writers completely neglect it. Go back to the original formula and use modern day characters and angles and you won't have to worry about doing these worked shoots to begin with.










YR

[BraveHeartFan]

Sorry bud but I'm highly dubious about your numbers there. WWE is on the biggest sports channel in the country and is broadcast live, whereas TNA is shown on a channel that a hell of a lot of folk don't even know they have with impact going out 5 days after in the U.S. and ppv's 3 days after. I've never looked into the numbers because quite frankly I don't care but from speaking to the casual fan or folk who don't particularly watch it they're a LOT more aware of the WWE and whats happening in their programming.

I'd maybe be more inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt if the second half of that paragraph wasn't so wrong. TNA wasn't in the UK before Hogan and Bischoff? I don't know where you read that but frankly its bollocks. As much as I wish Scotland wasn't a part of the UK I'm fairly certain we are and I can tell you that I was watching impact and TNA ppvs on my television long before that pair showed up (and being a lot more entertained). I went to a TNA house show shortly after they'd signed Angle, hell I remember watching Daniels v Joe v AJ for the X division title being broadcast here. The only thing I can think of is that the channel carrying TNA went bust and it took a few weeks for someone else to pick up the rights which happened shortly before Hogan was announced. To say TNA is number 1 here is a push but to say its number 1 due to Hogan is laughable.

edit: just noticed you said number 1 out of much more than 2. what other promotions? I'm assuming you mean local promotions but since none of them are televised in any way shape or form and generally perform in clubs and small sports halls in front of a couple of hundred people I don't think you can really include them in any comparisons.

Great post. But you're wasting your time. He read it at PWI insider, who never gets anything wrong according to him (Despite the fact that they've been proven to get things wrong numerous times) so it's a fact.



do your numbers take account for the fact that the first airings for raw and smackdown are at 2am? thats going to hurt raws particularly as theres not a lot of people are going to sit up until 4am if they have to be up for work at 7am. tna by comparison finishes at midnight which is a lot more manageable for people with work the following morning.

Dont waste your time with the kid. He believes anything, and everything, that PWI insider or the people on his favorite forum tell him to believe.

He's quite fond of going way over the top with his comments and trying to pass them off as facts as well. Like the comments about how "the majority of ROH fans prefer this over that".

LMFAO!

I highly doubt, in fact I'd bet money, that you haven't talked to the majority of ROH fans you haven't got a single clue how many ROH there out there, let alone actually spoken to them to get any accurate 'majority' of anything.


And yes they're the #2 out of 2. I'm not going to count little local promotions or smaller parts of the industry that are only big in one place or another.

WWE and TNA are shown in multiple places, as you mentioned, but those other promotions in Japan and Mexico and stuff are not shown in loads of places and, for example, around here the only Mexico wrestling you get is if you special order the channel on satelite that carries it.


There are 2 huge companies. 2.

WWE and TNA.

One is on top. The other is the one losing. Period.

Being 2nd out of 2 means you're last. Period.


So, forgive me, if I don't find TNA being the 2nd best big time promotion, world wide, as being an accomplishment.


I'm still hopeful, however, that one day the TNA owners, management, whoever will get their heads out, put the right people in charge, and they'll grow and become bigger and better than WWE. If they do that it's great because it forces WWE to be bigger and better.

Wrestling fans win.

[JustDezIt]

R2A gettin owned in this thread

[Romo 2 Austin]

So by your assine logic Pepsi has accomplished nothing? Same logic applies, similar competition levels, dozens of small sodas and a distant 3rd rc cola, lets hear this excuse. Great post. But you're wasting your time. He read it at PWI insider, who never gets anything wrong according to him (Despite the fact that they've been proven to get things wrong numerous times) so it's a fact.





Dont waste your time with the kid. He believes anything, and everything, that PWI insider or the people on his favorite forum tell him to believe.

He's quite fond of going way over the top with his comments and trying to pass them off as facts as well. Like the comments about how "the majority of ROH fans prefer this over that".

LMFAO!

I highly doubt, in fact I'd bet money, that you haven't talked to the majority of ROH fans you haven't got a single clue how many ROH there out there, let alone actually spoken to them to get any accurate 'majority' of anything.


And yes they're the #2 out of 2. I'm not going to count little local promotions or smaller parts of the industry that are only big in one place or another.

WWE and TNA are shown in multiple places, as you mentioned, but those other promotions in Japan and Mexico and stuff are not shown in loads of places and, for example, around here the only Mexico wrestling you get is if you special order the channel on satelite that carries it.


There are 2 huge companies. 2.

WWE and TNA.

One is on top. The other is the one losing. Period.

Being 2nd out of 2 means you're last. Period.


So, forgive me, if I don't find TNA being the 2nd best big time promotion, world wide, as being an accomplishment.


I'm still hopeful, however, that one day the TNA owners, management, whoever will get their heads out, put the right people in charge, and they'll grow and become bigger and better than WWE. If they do that it's great because it forces WWE to be bigger and better.

Wrestling fans win.

[Romo 2 Austin]

R2A gettin owned in this thread

Not really ignoring facts can make anyone look good

[zrinkill]

R2A gettin owned in this thread

I just wonder if he will ever make that thread he said he wanted to make about CM Punk really leaving and everyone who doubts it eating crow.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I just wonder if he will ever make that thread he said he wanted to make about CM Punk really leaving and everyone who doubts it eating crow.

Waiting for the aftermath, still speculate hes gone or leaving. Ive read he signed a legends deal, keeping him in the WWEmpire but not a full time wrestler, others say he resigned, others say extension to summerslam others say hes already gone

According to colt in a podcast today hes leaving, but he would cover a work for punk so dont take that credibly

[daschoo]

Not really ignoring facts can make anyone look good

I'm not ignoring the "facts" of your numbers, rather explaining why impact has a higher rating than WWE.

Impact airs on a channel that is free to view and available in every household in the UK with a television. The channel is a new and obscure channel but nonetheless it is a free channel that is part of the basic package built in to your television. As an aside you could probably make an argument that if TNA was as popular as you make out the channel carrying it previously wouldn't have gone out of business as advertisers would have been falling over themselves to buy ads when it was on.
WWE in comparison is broadcast on a channel that requires a monthly subscription therefore has a much lower potential audience (I'm sure with your love of tv numbers you can find the % of households in the UK with a subscription to skysports)

Impact is shown at 10pm on a Tuesday night meaning its finished by midnight, not exactly an early night if you've got work in the morning but its not that horrendous.
Monday Night Raw is broadcast live meaning that it starts at 2 o'clock Tuesday morning and finishes at 4, surely it must be obvious to you that something being shown at that time is not going to have a very good viewership?
I was wrong regarding Smackdown by the way, its broadcast at 10pm although its probably worth noting that its 10 o'clock on a Friday night when a lot of the target audience are going to be in the pubs/clubs.

You're saying that you look bad in this thread because people are ignoring the facts. I live in the UK, I've explained to you that TNA is not more popular here than WWE and given you reasons for that statement. You seem to be of the opinion that an American website is a more reliable source than someone who actually lives here though so I'd say you're doing a fairly decent job of ignoring stuff yourself.

I prefer TNA, I prefer the product although the stuff with Punk has been the best thing any company has put out in years. I would however watch Raw every week as well if it was on at a reasonable time and I had the spare cash to spend on TV channels. For people mocking TNA as number 2 from 2 I think its worth remembering where they both were 10 years ago. WWE was already a massive global brand when TNA was starting out. TNA has managed to build a loyal (sometimes overly so) fanbase and get television deals. They've started to attract big names and have become more mainstream. I think they've achieved a lot but from WWE's power and standing when they started TNA are never going to be the biggest company, that doesn't mean they're a failure.

[BraveHeartFan]

So by your assine logic Pepsi has accomplished nothing? Same logic applies, similar competition levels, dozens of small sodas and a distant 3rd rc cola, lets hear this excuse.

lol

Pepsi had to actually EARN their #2 spot during their LONG history.

When TNA started there was nothing but WWE. WCW was gone, ECW was gone.

They became #2 by virtue of there being NO ONE ELSE but WWE.

That's not an accomplishment. I'm sorry that you think it is or are trying to put it in the same light as something like a long standing soda company and don't understand the difference.

And, yes, being #2 out of 3 (even if there had only ever been 3 in the companies history) is still better than trying to champion the fact that they're #2 out of the 2 companies that have been there in their entire existence.

I dont know why I bothered to unblock you. I'm the idiot for thinking you'd ever start coming with anything more substantial other than what you were told by PWI.




I'm not ignoring the "facts" of your numbers, rather explaining why impact has a higher rating than WWE.

Impact airs on a channel that is free to view and available in every household in the UK with a television. The channel is a new and obscure channel but nonetheless it is a free channel that is part of the basic package built in to your television. As an aside you could probably make an argument that if TNA was as popular as you make out the channel carrying it previously wouldn't have gone out of business as advertisers would have been falling over themselves to buy ads when it was on.
WWE in comparison is broadcast on a channel that requires a monthly subscription therefore has a much lower potential audience (I'm sure with your love of tv numbers you can find the % of households in the UK with a subscription to skysports)

Impact is shown at 10pm on a Tuesday night meaning its finished by midnight, not exactly an early night if you've got work in the morning but its not that horrendous.
Monday Night Raw is broadcast live meaning that it starts at 2 o'clock Tuesday morning and finishes at 4, surely it must be obvious to you that something being shown at that time is not going to have a very good viewership?
I was wrong regarding Smackdown by the way, its broadcast at 10pm although its probably worth noting that its 10 o'clock on a Friday night when a lot of the target audience are going to be in the pubs/clubs.

You're saying that you look bad in this thread because people are ignoring the facts. I live in the UK, I've explained to you that TNA is not more popular here than WWE and given you reasons for that statement. You seem to be of the opinion that an American website is a more reliable source than someone who actually lives here though so I'd say you're doing a fairly decent job of ignoring stuff yourself.

I prefer TNA, I prefer the product although the stuff with Punk has been the best thing any company has put out in years. I would however watch Raw every week as well if it was on at a reasonable time and I had the spare cash to spend on TV channels. For people mocking TNA as number 2 from 2 I think its worth remembering where they both were 10 years ago. WWE was already a massive global brand when TNA was starting out. TNA has managed to build a loyal (sometimes overly so) fanbase and get television deals. They've started to attract big names and have become more mainstream. I think they've achieved a lot but from WWE's power and standing when they started TNA are never going to be the biggest company, that doesn't mean they're a failure.


Once again another excellent post. I changed my mind. Don't waste your time. For the people who actually pay attention, or want to learn beyond what PWI or a fan forum tells them, this is good information.

I appreciate it.

[BraveHeartFan]

Waiting for the aftermath, still speculate hes gone or leaving. Ive read he signed a legends deal, keeping him in the WWEmpire but not a full time wrestler, others say he resigned, others say extension to summerslam others say hes already gone

According to colt in a podcast today hes leaving, but he would cover a work for punk so dont take that credibly


What you mean is you're going to pull a PWI and hope that at some point, anywhere in the future (even if it's 5 years from now) that Punk leaves so you can thump your chest and say "I was right".

As it was pointed out, long ago, you would never admit you were wrong, that you're precious PWI had gotten it wrong, and that your fan forum 'smarks' had gotten it wrong.

Now you're throwing out rumors about legends deals, he's actually left, blah, blah, blah.


Take a little look at history with Vince when it comes to his title. He's not putting that title on Punk if they don't have something already in place.

Every since Blaze walked out with the Women's title and showed up on WCW with the belt to throw in the trash Vince takes absolutely no chances.

He even screwed Hart, probably his most loyal company man at the time, out of the belt when Hart had a month left on his deal because he feared Hart would take the belt with him.


If CM Punk was simply extended a short time, or was flying with no deal, he wouldn't have the belt.

Period.

[zrinkill]

CM Punk Storyline Expected to Continue Outside WWE

WWE is attempting to continue the CM Punk storyline in such a fashion that, while his name and likeness are banned from WWE television, they're trying to get Punk booked on late-night talk shows and other news-grabbing entities. The idea is that Punk will continue to taunt WWE with their own world title while WWE tries to, in story, forget that he exists.

http://www.wrestlingnewssource.com/feed_news-20281-CM_Punk_Storyline_Expected_to_Continue_Outside_WWE .php

Sorry its not PWInsider ..... :laugh2:

[Romo 2 Austin]

lol

Pepsi had to actually EARN their #2 spot during their LONG history.

When TNA started there was nothing but WWE. WCW was gone, ECW was gone.

They became #2 by virtue of there being NO ONE ELSE but WWE.

That's not an accomplishment. I'm sorry that you think it is or are trying to put it in the same light as something like a long standing soda company and don't understand the difference.

And, yes, being #2 out of 3 (even if there had only ever been 3 in the companies history) is still better than trying to champion the fact that they're #2 out of the 2 companies that have been there in their entire existence.

I dont know why I bothered to unblock you. I'm the idiot for thinking you'd ever start coming with anything more substantial other than what you were told by PWI.







Once again another excellent post. I changed my mind. Don't waste your time. For the people who actually pay attention, or want to learn beyond what PWI or a fan forum tells them, this is good information.

I appreciate it.

No, I don't listen to everything PWI says, I read it all. The ratings are the ratings, not exclusive to PWinsider.


& when TNA started it drew 100 people into an "asylum", it started off nowhere, smaller than regular indys and grew, how the **** did it start 2/2? when I know of 3 local indys on long island that drew bigger crowds than TNA when TNA started off?

Your wrong, and won't admit it. It's the same freakin' thing as the cola comparison as TNA rose up through the ranks from nothing but a company started by Jeff Jarrett taking a half mortgage out on his house & is now worth tens of millions, if not a hundred million dollar company that employees hundreds of people, with many of them making a great living. It's a amazing accomplishment that people laugh at for a reason I will never understand since it's illogical.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I'm not ignoring the "facts" of your numbers, rather explaining why impact has a higher rating than WWE.

Impact airs on a channel that is free to view and available in every household in the UK with a television. The channel is a new and obscure channel but nonetheless it is a free channel that is part of the basic package built in to your television. As an aside you could probably make an argument that if TNA was as popular as you make out the channel carrying it previously wouldn't have gone out of business as advertisers would have been falling over themselves to buy ads when it was on.
WWE in comparison is broadcast on a channel that requires a monthly subscription therefore has a much lower potential audience (I'm sure with your love of tv numbers you can find the % of households in the UK with a subscription to skysports)

Impact is shown at 10pm on a Tuesday night meaning its finished by midnight, not exactly an early night if you've got work in the morning but its not that horrendous.
Monday Night Raw is broadcast live meaning that it starts at 2 o'clock Tuesday morning and finishes at 4, surely it must be obvious to you that something being shown at that time is not going to have a very good viewership?
I was wrong regarding Smackdown by the way, its broadcast at 10pm although its probably worth noting that its 10 o'clock on a Friday night when a lot of the target audience are going to be in the pubs/clubs.

You're saying that you look bad in this thread because people are ignoring the facts. I live in the UK, I've explained to you that TNA is not more popular here than WWE and given you reasons for that statement. You seem to be of the opinion that an American website is a more reliable source than someone who actually lives here though so I'd say you're doing a fairly decent job of ignoring stuff yourself.

I prefer TNA, I prefer the product although the stuff with Punk has been the best thing any company has put out in years. I would however watch Raw every week as well if it was on at a reasonable time and I had the spare cash to spend on TV channels. For people mocking TNA as number 2 from 2 I think its worth remembering where they both were 10 years ago. WWE was already a massive global brand when TNA was starting out. TNA has managed to build a loyal (sometimes overly so) fanbase and get television deals. They've started to attract big names and have become more mainstream. I think they've achieved a lot but from WWE's power and standing when they started TNA are never going to be the biggest company, that doesn't mean they're a failure.


I was not referring to you and was going to reply with a longer message from my PC, not my phone.

I did not know that RAW aired live, thought it aired taped as SD does. Either way, SD and iMPACT air at similar times, ableit different days, the Friday downfall in the US for SD is substantial, but it is not the nearly 150,000 people out of 236,000 difference.

RAW airing taped probably would draw around 200,000 then and no I did not know that it was on a paid channel. I know TNA draws huge crowds in the UK, and thank you for making the fair point that TNA is not a failure, they've accomplished a ton in their very small history, and will soon be taking iMPACT on the road. This year they drew 5,000 people to an iMPACT on the road in March, how much did WWE PPV Over the Limit draw? 6,500.


1,500 difference for a PPV v. a TV show? That's a wash, yet supposedly TNA is laughable company that has accomplished nothing and WWEmpire is the greatest thing since sliced bread even when its main character says poopy.

[zrinkill]

How “worked” was CM Punk’s “shoot” promo now?

I think it’s safe to say that now, looking back at it, the promo may have been all from the mouth of CM Punk but there were definitely some bullet points the creative team wanted him to hit.

Paul Heyman and Brock Lesnar
CM Punk vs Stone Cold
ROH and Colt Cabana
John Laurinaitis and HHH

http://camelclutchblog.com/how-worked-was-cm-punks-shoot-promo-now/


Great Read and a welcome break from the ignorance of the "mark".

[Romo 2 Austin]

How “worked” was CM Punk’s “shoot” promo now?

I think it’s safe to say that now, looking back at it, the promo may have been all from the mouth of CM Punk but there were definitely some bullet points the creative team wanted him to hit.

Paul Heyman and Brock Lesnar
CM Punk vs Stone Cold
ROH and Colt Cabana
John Laurinaitis and HHH

http://camelclutchblog.com/how-worked-was-cm-punks-shoot-promo-now/

Great Read and a welcome break from the ignorance of the "mark".


That's exactly what I said weeks ago and people said no it was all scripted? How is that a break from the ignorance of "the mark" yet I was right all along? Doubt creative wanted him to hit ROH and Cabana, that was added by him. Cabana has said he didn't even know it was going to happen, if it was scripted Punk would've told him. Going to another promotion and hitting Japan was probably the bullet point.

lil jelly though, huh?

[BraveHeartFan]

No, I don't listen to everything PWI says, I read it all. The ratings are the ratings, not exclusive to PWinsider.


& when TNA started it drew 100 people into an "asylum", it started off nowhere, smaller than regular indys and grew, how the **** did it start 2/2? when I know of 3 local indys on long island that drew bigger crowds than TNA when TNA started off?

Your wrong, and won't admit it. It's the same freakin' thing as the cola comparison as TNA rose up through the ranks from nothing but a company started by Jeff Jarrett taking a half mortgage out on his house & is now worth tens of millions, if not a hundred million dollar company that employees hundreds of people, with many of them making a great living. It's a amazing accomplishment that people laugh at for a reason I will never understand since it's illogical.

Kid you're a fool. Period. I'm completely done with you after this because you're beyond annoying at this point with how ignorant you are.

And your precious ratings for the UK have already had so many holes blown in them, by a guy who actually lives there and knows what he's talking about through actual experience, that they're laughable at best.


They're #2 of 2 because they're the only OTHER big time promotion around here. Period. I don't give two ounces of crap if you want to try and toot their horn because they grew above some mom and pop promotions.

The fact is there was 1, count that again so that you don't get confused here again, 1big company when TNA started to get big.

1.

Period.

WWE.

Done.

TNA moved into being the 2nd big company.

Get that now? Is that clear enough for you? Or should we break out the crayons and draw you a picture?


If TNA had come in, and started getting big, when WCW and ECW were also around then hey I'd be right there with you about them working their way to #2.

But I'm not going to bend to your TNA fanboy BS and give you're favorite joint credit simply because they managed to beat out a bunch of Indy, mom and pop, BS organizations that no one in the world, outside the 200 fans in those areas, care about. Those places like that are not, were not, and never will be actual competition for big companies.

There is absolutely ZERO comparison between what TNA has 'gone through' to step into a #2 spot with a company that actually had to earn theirs.

The only thing I'm wrong about, in any of this conversation, is taking you off block and wasting my time with you.

Thankfully that is something I can rectify and not have to deal with anymore.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Kid you're a fool. Period. I'm completely done with you after this because you're beyond annoying at this point with how ignorant you are.

And your precious ratings for the UK have already had so many holes blown in them, by a guy who actually lives there and knows what he's talking about through actual experience, that they're laughable at best.


They're #2 of 2 because they're the only OTHER big time promotion around here. Period. I don't give two ounces of crap if you want to try and toot their horn because they grew above some mom and pop promotions.

The fact is there was 1, count that again so that you don't get confused here again, 1big company when TNA started to get big.

1.

Period.

WWE.

Done.

TNA moved into being the 2nd big company.

Get that now? Is that clear enough for you? Or should we break out the crayons and draw you a picture?


If TNA had come in, and started getting big, when WCW and ECW were also around then hey I'd be right there with you about them working their way to #2.

But I'm not going to bend to your TNA fanboy BS and give you're favorite joint credit simply because they managed to beat out a bunch of Indy, mom and pop, BS organizations that no one in the world, outside the 200 fans in those areas, care about. Those places like that are not, were not, and never will be actual competition for big companies.

There is absolutely ZERO comparison between what TNA has 'gone through' to step into a #2 spot with a company that actually had to earn theirs.

The only thing I'm wrong about, in any of this conversation, is taking you off block and wasting my time with you.

Thankfully that is something I can rectify and not have to deal with anymore.

Yet again, you are the ignorent one. Why didn't those "Mom & Pop" organizations grow? TNA was just another one, what about the dozens of promotions that opened after ECW and WCW closed? Around 5 of them had PPV, a few TV in certain markets, yet TNA that was about to close after 3 months and 5 shows run rose to prominence? They accomplished something, you, I or barely anyone else could. Thousands have tried, TNA excelled.

You just seem bitter about something, whatever it is I have no clue. PWG, DGUSA, ROH, EVOLVE etc; have all accomplished stuff in my books aswell. Its not #1 or your nothing, #2, #3, #4, #5, they are all profitable companies in most cases employeeing dozens of people. TNA is very successful and is not #2 out of #2, its #2 out of hundreds upon hundreds.

If your only counting global companies? Yes its #2 out of #2.

If your counting every wrestling promotion? It's #2 out of upwards of 300.

Yet that's nothing? Lol. How was Pepsi earned it yet TNA hasn't? They earned the spot. When Pepsi opened what was the #2, huh? There was Coke and "indy" colas, yet Pepsi earned it? No, its a very similar scenario. There were dozens of promotions that opened after WCW and ECW, nearly all of them with better funding than TNA. **** on it all you want, ignorant one, but your wrong. Very wrong

[DallasGirl50]

That's exactly what I said weeks ago and people said no it was all scripted? How is that a break from the ignorance of "the mark" yet I was right all along? Doubt creative wanted him to hit ROH and Cabana, that was added by him. Cabana has said he didn't even know it was going to happen, if it was scripted Punk would've told him. Going to another promotion and hitting Japan was probably the bullet point.

lil jelly though, huh?

Z wasn't the one that said Punk's stuff was scripted...that was me, myself & I that posted that. I put down what I believed...others argued against that..& I dropped it. I think the thread continued but anyway I was the one that posted that. I have never believed he was leaving. I am sure he disagreed with me...I can't fathom that because I am never ever wrong! :-)

[Romo 2 Austin]

Z wasn't the one that said Punk's stuff was scripted...that was me, myself & I that posted that. I put down what I believed...others argued against that..& I dropped it. I think the thread continued but anyway I was the one that posted that. I have never believed he was leaving. I am sure he disagreed with me...I can't fathom that because I am never ever wrong! :-)
Pretty sure he said it was scripted aswell.

[Yeagermeister]

Knock off the insults or this thread will be shut down

[zrinkill]

As hinted earlier by the reports that WWE Chairman & CEO Vince McMahon was keeping everybody out of the loop of the CM Punk-John Cena angle at Money in the Bank, McMahon himself has been booking the angle. He was also responsible for the angle this past Monday night on RAW where Triple H told him that he was “relieved of his duties”. The WWE Creative team were unaware of where McMahon was taking the angle and were focusing on other storylines in order to keep minimum spoilers from the Cena-Punk angle leaking online.

http://wrestleheat.com/vince-mcmahontriple-angle-aired-update-cm-punkjohn-cena-storyline=9659


Vince is a genius.

[BraveHeartFan]

As hinted earlier by the reports that WWE Chairman & CEO Vince McMahon was keeping everybody out of the loop of the CM Punk-John Cena angle at Money in the Bank, McMahon himself has been booking the angle. He was also responsible for the angle this past Monday night on RAW where Triple H told him that he was “relieved of his duties”. The WWE Creative team were unaware of where McMahon was taking the angle and were focusing on other storylines in order to keep minimum spoilers from the Cena-Punk angle leaking online.

http://wrestleheat.com/vince-mcmahontriple-angle-aired-update-cm-punkjohn-cena-storyline=9659


Vince is a genius.

It's a job well done by Vince. It's easily, there is nothing even close really, the best thing wrestling has had going on, in any company, in several years.

[zrinkill]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/zrinkill/CMPUNK.jpg


Just had to post this.

[zrinkill]

CM Punk Crashes WWE Panel At San Diego Comic-Con, Confronts Triple H

CM Punk crashed the joint Mattel/WWE panel—WWE: Past, Present and Future—this afternoon at the San Diego Comic-Con, featuring Triple H, Rey Mysterio and WWE Hall of Famer Bret Hart.

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/CM_Punk_Crashes_WWE_Panel_At_San_Diego_Comic_Con_C onfronts_Triple_H.html

[DallasGirl50]

Funny...

[zrinkill]

Funny...

Yea it was awesome.

[DallasGirl50]

I was flipping the channels earlier & SYFY was doing a live remote from there...they were hawking tshirts so I didn't watch. Besides a "Captain America" marathon doesn't do much for me.

[zrinkill]

WWE Hypes CM Punk’s Comic-Con Invasion

Aware that it cannot keep a main-event-level storyline going on unofficial word-of-mouth alone, WWE referenced CM Punk’s Comic-Con “crash” on its official website.

WWE.com features a write-up and video of the exchange with Triple H.

http://www.headlineplanet.com/home/2011/07/24/wwe-hypes-cm-punks-comic-con-invasion-as-punk-visits-indy-show/

[DallasGirl50]

Looks like a match down the road between HHH & Punk...

[BraveHeartFan]

Yeah seems like that.

What I'd actually LOVE to see is this.


Miz wins the new WWE belt over Rey. Then Cena goes out and takes the belt away from Miz. That same night Punk attacks Cena and proclaims himself still the only real WWE champion.


Next (and I don't know how you'd set this up or whatever) you come to some way that Punk agrees to face Cena again to find out who the real champion is.


They face (maybe Summerslam, maybe after that) and Punk, through shady means, is about to win the match and walk away for the second time with the WWE belt.

Only this time HHH has a plan. Something he set in motion in case Punk tried to cheat (as he would here) to leave with the belt.


Punk is doing whatever, celebrating that he's about to win, then.....

GLASS SHATTERS!!!!


The crowd goes nuts cause the most popular superstar of all time returns and gives Punk a stunner. Cena covers for the W and the WWE title is now safe.


Now, in all this, if Punk hasn't already been resigned, in storyline, you can do something where he agrees to resign a deal with the HHH run WWE on the one condition being that he faces Stone Cold Steve Austin. That match could be a Wrestlemania match that they build on for the months leading to that big show.

That would give you potentially 3 HUGE matches that night.


The Rock vs. Cena

Stone Cold vs. Punk

Taker vs. whoever for 20-0


That's a HUGE card for the biggest show of the year.


I'd absolutely love it if they played this all out just like this.

[BraveHeartFan]

Oh and as a side note...I've decided who I'd LOVE for the WWE to get to come in, even if just for that match, to face Taker for the 20-0.


Mick Foley


He and Taker have had so many memorable match ups (Boiler Room brawl, Buried Alive, Hell in A Cell) that this would be a great way to completely close away their brilliant rivalary and with two people that you know would let it all hang out for a match of that magnitude.

[DallasGirl50]

Well Cena is never without a belt for long...so I expect that AGAIN soon. Ugh. I hadn't thought about Mick returning. That would certainly be fun for the fans. As unorthodox as he is he is almost always entertaining. And I guess Austin is always there in the background...he stays in reasonable shape it appears but what about that neck? Always fun when Steve is on.

[BraveHeartFan]

My plan out there is based off the idea that I was hearing not long ago that Austin had been telling people that his neck was in good enough shape that he could wrestle an occassional match, for purposes like this, but simply couldn't do a full time schedule ever again.


If that's really the case, and given the shape he got himself into for TE and such, I think it's possible.

[DallasGirl50]

Have you ever heard Steve talk about when he hurt his neck in a match & he was actually paralyzed for a short time? It was a come to ***** moment for him....he would need to work with with somebody that doesn't wrestle stiff...somebody like Mark Henry would kill him. Punk would be an excellent opponent...they could put on a great match.

[DallasGirl50]

Uh...HE Is back...with new music..new tshirt....too funny.

[Romo 2 Austin]

John Cena 11 time world champion, why the och did they have to give Rey a 1 night WWE championship run

[Romo 2 Austin]

I popped more for the great song that CMPunk now has than anything, that is one of my all-time favorite songs, hell it's probably #1.

[DallasGirl50]

I am soooo sick of Cena..it wasn't hard to figure out he would win the belt tonite when the match was announced. The possibility of him against Punk is more desirable than Rey...ka ching! That's why he won. Same reason he always wins. I am not a fan but alot are...

[Romo 2 Austin]

I am soooo sick of Cena..it wasn't hard to figure out he would win the belt tonite when the match was announced. The possibility of him against Punk is more desirable than Rey...ka ching! That's why he won. Same reason he always wins. I am not a fan but alot are...

I just thank the stars that Del Joke didn't win and that it seems they will run with a gimmick that he can't cash in, which will be nerve wrecking since once day he actually will and when that day comes I will no longer be able to watch the WWE product.

[Romo 2 Austin]

video of punks return

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl4JDnxZme4

[zrinkill]

Hilarious how people have changed their tune.


:laugh2:

[Romo 2 Austin]

Hilarious how people have changed their tune.


:laugh2:

Ofcourse a reference to me, and yes, when someone does something right you acknowledge it.

[zrinkill]

Well everyone else should be preparing some crow to eat, especially the WWE mark who still believes its a work.

:laugh2:

[zrinkill]

Uh...HE Is back...with new music..new tshirt....too funny.

Its great

[DallasGirl50]

WWE has packaged this story beautifully...perfect stuff by Punk. They pushed Rey tonite & he had 2 good matches...Cena gets to still do his every man super man crap...& they bring out Punk who is so over as a heel it's insane. And JR coming back...fun show.

[Romo 2 Austin]

WWE has packaged this story beautifully...perfect stuff by Punk. They pushed Rey tonite & he had 2 good matches...Cena gets to still do his every man super man crap...& they bring out Punk who is so over as a heel it's insane. And JR coming back...fun show.

Punks over huge as a babyface, not a heel. No ones booing him anymore.

[DallasGirl50]

:laugh2:

Ouch! I remember the argument well...and yep that tune has changed. Sometimes one's words come back to bite one in the backside.

[zrinkill]

Marvin sent word that after last night's RAW went off the air, CM Punk cut a promo as the crowd cheered and said that he, the WWE Champion, was back on RAW for good. Marvin noted that Punk was way more over than John Cena with the live crowd.

:laugh2:

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/CM_Punk_Cuts_a_Promo_After_RAW_Jim_Ross_Comments_o n_His_Return.html

[zrinkill]

Ouch! I remember the argument well...and yep that tune has changed. Sometimes one's words come back to bite one in the backside.

Especially when you call people liars and pretend that people who have been watching wrestling over twice the amount of time you are alive do not know what they are talking about.

[BraveHeartFan]

And conviently has yet to ever really acknowledge that they were wrong, simply clinging to this or that to pretend like "hey I wasn't wrong. I just suspended disbelief for a bit."


It's cool to make a prediction, and be willing to stand by it. I'm all for it. But when it plays out to be wrong then you should really say "Yep I got hooked. I was completely wrong."


Of course to do that would be to admit that PWI was wrong and everyone knows that simply can't be done cause they're 'never' wrong.

[Romo 2 Austin]

And conviently has yet to ever really acknowledge that they were wrong, simply clinging to this or that to pretend like "hey I wasn't wrong. I just suspended disbelief for a bit."


It's cool to make a prediction, and be willing to stand by it. I'm all for it. But when it plays out to be wrong then you should really say "Yep I got hooked. I was completely wrong."


Of course to do that would be to admit that PWI was wrong and everyone knows that simply can't be done cause they're 'never' wrong.

It's not over yet, he could've very easily signed an extension to SummerSlam & be done after it. The 2nd raw after summerslam we will see, and I will make a thread one way or the other at that point.

[zrinkill]

And conveniently has yet to ever really acknowledge that they were wrong, simply clinging to this or that to pretend like "hey I wasn't wrong. I just suspended disbelief for a bit."


It's cool to make a prediction, and be willing to stand by it. I'm all for it. But when it plays out to be wrong then you should really say "Yep I got hooked. I was completely wrong."


Of course to do that would be to admit that PWI was wrong and everyone knows that simply can't be done cause they're 'never' wrong.

Did you expect any thing different?

[BraveHeartFan]

Did you expect any thing different?

Nope. It's par for the course.

[DallasGirl50]

I've been wrong plenty of times about wrestling storylines...but the stuff they were throwing out about him being so unhappy made no sense. He is always on tv...even when his arm was hurt he was on...he has been the head guy in several factions...wrestled big time WM matches. And he played it perfectly.

[zrinkill]

Nope. It's par for the course.

Did you here that 4 years ago Shawn Michaels talked good about CM Punk ...... :laugh1:

[Romo 2 Austin]

Did you here that 4 years ago Shawn Michaels talked good about CM Punk ...... :laugh1:

&if you read the article, instead of simply seeing it and assuming "LOL R2A LIKES SOMEONE LETS RIP ON HIM EVEN THO HE GREATEST OF ALL TIME LULZ" you'd see Punk would be no more than CMJobber if not for the great HBK. Because Vince who mimicked him in meetings and make fun of his straight edge lifestyle was really going to get behind him huge without someone he trusted telling him too right? Vince knows all according to you... No, HBK is the one that opened Vince's eyes, and HBK is the one that started this era. All good in WWE starts with HBK since the late 1980's.

[zrinkill]

Did you here that 4 years ago Shawn Michaels talked good about CM Punk ...... :laugh1:

And I guess this means this angle started 4 years ago.....

Punk had the silly marks buying it for four years.

:laugh2:


Vince and Punk are geniuses.

[DallasGirl50]

Vince has forgotten more about wrestling& wrestlers than Shawn could ever hope to know.

[zrinkill]

Vince has forgotten more about wrestling& wrestlers than Shawn could ever hope to know.

I love Shawn Michaels ........ he is the best in ring performer of his generation.

but to say he is responsible for this because he talked good about Punk 4 years ago is asinine.

but then again ....... look who is saying it.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I love Shawn Michaels ........ he is the best in ring performer of his generation.

but to say he is responsible for this because he talked good about Punk 4 years ago is asinine.

but then again ....... look who is saying it.

Former head writer of ecw&sd said so, not some random guy. Im sure he knows more than you, me or booker freakin t.

[zrinkill]

Hey LOOK who is the new PWI #1 guy

http://www.pwi-online.com/art/PWD9011S.jpg


:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

[DallasGirl50]

Your obsession with Shawn & everything he did or says is over the top...& somewhat amusing.

[BraveHeartFan]

Did you here that 4 years ago Shawn Michaels talked good about CM Punk ...... :laugh1:

Actually yeah.

4 years ago when the WWE signed him and you heard everywhere that HBK and HHH were both huge fans of CM Punks work and very much in his corner.

This is OLD news that any big time wrestling fan heard a long time ago.

They were both instrumental in getting Punk his WWE chance but I'm not going to out on a limb there, as big an HBK mark as I am, and give him credit for this Punk angle because he was behind the guy when they signed him years ago.

That's just going a bit too far, IMO.


Hey LOOK who is the new PWI #1 guy

http://www.pwi-online.com/art/PWD9011S.jpg (http://www.pwi-online.com/art/PWD9011S.jpg)


:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:


And PWI is NEVER wrong so apparently Miz is better than some give him credit for, right?

I like Miz, without a doubt, but I don't agree he's #1.

[zrinkill]

And PWI is NEVER wrong so apparently Miz is better than some give him credit for, right?

I like Miz, without a doubt, but I don't agree he's #1.

PWI is the voice of real wrestling fans :laugh2:

The guys the mark has been telling us hates The Miz.

These last few days have been great :laugh1:

[BraveHeartFan]

Your obsession with Shawn & everything he did or says is over the top...& somewhat amusing.

Not to mention that I've noticed through some quoting of him that he's giving HBK credit for greatness in the WWE in the late 80's....first of all his first 'run' there as The Midnight Rockers lasted all of about 30 seconds before they got fired for an aleged bar fight. That was in 1987 I believe.

They cameback, if I'm not mistaken, in 1988 and were a solid tag team there. Had some great matches with Arn and Tully and stuff but they were never officially tag team champions. They won it one time in a show that never aired because a rope broke during the match and Vince wouldn't air it so early on HBK had very little impact on the WWF.

It wasn't until he went singles in the 90's that the guy started to make his impact on the WWF(E) land scape and to try and give him credit for being the best thing there, just because he was there, is crazy.

When HBK first got there it would be hard to argue there was a better worker than Macho Man or Hart at the time.

He eventually became the outright best performer there, IMO, but not for the first 4 or 5 years he was there, at least. That time frame belonged to Macho Man, Jake "the Snake", and Bret Hart. You could even factor Davey Boy in there for a time as well.

Around 93-94 HBK began to start his real climb, and shine, in singles and then by 96 he was the top guy, without a doubt. But from 1988 to about 93 he was just a real solid performer on his way up but he wasn't the best thing going, during that time. Not even close.

[BraveHeartFan]

PWI is the voice of real wrestling fans :laugh2:

The guys the mark has been telling us hates The Miz.

These last few days have been great :laugh1:

Yeah I am curious how that will be spun. I remember him saying 'real' wrestling fans hated guys like Miz and Del Rio and now Miz is the cover boy, #1 guy, according to the 'real' wrestling fans Bible.

And since PWI is NEVER wrong they can't be wrong about this either.


Oh and now I'm curious where PWI ranks Del Rio as well. Since all the 'real' wrestling fans thing he's absolute trash I wonder where this magazine has him. If he's in the top 20 they're likely PISSED.

[zrinkill]

Yeah I am curious how that will be spun. I remember him saying 'real' wrestling fans hated guys like Miz and Del Rio and now Miz is the cover boy, #1 guy, according to the 'real' wrestling fans Bible.

And since PWI is NEVER wrong they can't be wrong about this either.


Oh and now I'm curious where PWI ranks Del Rio as well. Since all the 'real' wrestling fans thing he's absolute trash I wonder where this magazine has him. If he's in the top 20 they're likely PISSED.

When he answers ....... make sure you quote him.

[BraveHeartFan]

When he answers ....... make sure you quote him.

Can't. He's on ignore. The only way I know what he's saying is when others quote him. lol

[BigWillie]

All good in WWE starts with HBK since the late 1980's.

Holy facepalm.

Smarky smark is all up in this thread.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Yeah I am curious how that will be spun. I remember him saying 'real' wrestling fans hated guys like Miz and Del Rio and now Miz is the cover boy, #1 guy, according to the 'real' wrestling fans Bible.

And since PWI is NEVER wrong they can't be wrong about this either.


Oh and now I'm curious where PWI ranks Del Rio as well. Since all the 'real' wrestling fans thing he's absolute trash I wonder where this magazine has him. If he's in the top 20 they're likely PISSED.

I don't agree with the Miz ranking, but atleast they got it right last year.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Actually yeah.

4 years ago when the WWE signed him and you heard everywhere that HBK and HHH were both huge fans of CM Punks work and very much in his corner.

This is OLD news that any big time wrestling fan heard a long time ago.

They were both instrumental in getting Punk his WWE chance but I'm not going to out on a limb there, as big an HBK mark as I am, and give him credit for this Punk angle because he was behind the guy when they signed him years ago.

That's just going a bit too far, IMO.





And PWI is NEVER wrong so apparently Miz is better than some give him credit for, right?

I like Miz, without a doubt, but I don't agree he's #1.

Pro Wrestling Illustrated has announced their pick for the "Top 500" wrestlers in the world for 2011: number one can be summed up in one word.

AWESOME!!!

That's right folks. The Miz, was ranked number one out of 500 wrestlers. I am not one to criticize, but this decision has left me scratching my head.

Granted Miz has had a pretty amazing year as he was WWE champ for over 100 days. Not to mention he retained his title against John Cena at Wrestlemania. It's safe to say that The Miz has garnered a following and respect amongst his fans and peers.

However, one still has to wonder how they go from AJ Styles in 2010 to a former reality TV star with less than 10 years experience one year later.

Don't get me wrong: The Miz, is solid on the mic and knows how to work a crowd. On the other hand, his in-ring prowess is average at best.

I am sure this decision was not taken lightly as the wrestling magazine knows their audience. Let's face it: this is no fly-by-night list, PWI 500 has been in existence for 21 years and is highly respected and debated.

The entire list will not be released until the magazine hits stands in the next few weeks. Until then the wrestling world will be left to speculate and discuss who they feel should have been number one.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/780218-wwe-news-pwi-500-named-you-may-be-surprised-at-whos-number-one

[DallasGirl50]

Kurt Angle is the best in ring wrestler IMO...I like Miz ok but he would be far down my list of best. I don't even think he's the best in WWE. He was probably available the day they needed to shoot the cover so they picked him....seriously Miz?

[zrinkill]

Hilarious ....... I cannot wait to see what is said if ADR is ranked higher that Styles


:lmao:

[zrinkill]

CM Punk convinced Vince McMahon to do something he has had a policy against doing in most cases – pay royalty rights to use popular songs instead of WWE-created music. Of course, Punk used Living Colour's "Cult of Personality" on Monday's RAW.

Cult of Personality has been used by WWE before. In 2009 the song was used for a video package of Stone Cold Steve Austin. (another hint)

[zrinkill]

WWE announced Thursday evening via Twitter that CM Punk will speak this Monday on Raw.

Their announcement reads: "BREAKING NEWS: "BREAKING NEWS: This Monday on #Raw, @CMPunk will make his first official statement since his shocking return to WWE."

It was advertised during WWE Superstars that Triple H will have to resolve "one unprecedented controversy" with Punk and John Cena holding two versions of the WWE Championship.

[DallasGirl50]

Should be fun! I TRIED watching Impact tonite...hoping Sting wouldn't stiil be doing his Ledger impersonation. He is...I can't watch that crap from one of my favs. Awful.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Should be fun! I TRIED watching Impact tonite...hoping Sting wouldn't stiil be doing his Ledger impersonation. He is...I can't watch that crap from one of my favs. Awful.

I wish they just brought in Krimson to do it.


mUbDoq4s5iY, one of the best free agent wrestlers, charisma wise, not sure on his age but if hes young enough expect him in WWE eventually.

[zrinkill]

Justin Carnes

[Romo 2 Austin]

Justin Carnes

Thank you, yes that's his name.

[zrinkill]

WWE reportedly offered CM Punk a five-year deal at one point. No word yet if what he ended up signing was for that long.

Regarding Punk and Vince McMahon, it's said that Punk now has Vince's ear when it comes to ideas. It was described as similar to Shawn Michaels years ago when he began moving up in the company and Vince would bounce ideas off Shawn, or Shawn would suggest ideas to Vince.

[BraveHeartFan]

WWE reportedly offered CM Punk a five-year deal at one point. No word yet if what he ended up signing was for that long.

Regarding Punk and Vince McMahon, it's said that Punk now has Vince's ear when it comes to ideas. It was described as similar to Shawn Michaels years ago when he began moving up in the company and Vince would bounce ideas off Shawn, or Shawn would suggest ideas to Vince.


Very smart move by Vince if this is indeed true. Punk definately knows his stuff when it comes to his craft. He's a real pro at the business, in all ways, and should be listened to.

[Romo 2 Austin]

WWE reportedly offered CM Punk a five-year deal at one point. No word yet if what he ended up signing was for that long.

Regarding Punk and Vince McMahon, it's said that Punk now has Vince's ear when it comes to ideas. It was described as similar to Shawn Michaels years ago when he began moving up in the company and Vince would bounce ideas off Shawn, or Shawn would suggest ideas to Vince.

Was going to post this on Thurs when Pwinsider reported the same thing, with the same comparison. Sounds like a nice ol ripoff site, but decided against it since all that would happen is i'd be ripped on for saying HBK, even though all good must be credited to him.

[Romo 2 Austin]

a subtle hilarious moment from iMPACT.

25W3wDveviY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25W3wDveviY

[zrinkill]

I feel bad for sting.

TNA will have to dig a hole to go anymore downhill.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I feel bad for sting.

TNA will have to dig a hole to go anymore downhill.

It's entertaining, and it's the most interested I have been in the Sting character ever.

[zrinkill]

Punk to address fans

Tonight on Monday Night Raw, CM Punk will address fans for the first time since returning with his WWE Title last Monday.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,14203_7075626,00.html

[BraveHeartFan]

Wish I wasn't at work so that I could see it.

Oh well. Starting next week I start having Mondays off so I'm going to get back to watching again.

[zrinkill]

That was a nice opening exchange between HHH and Punk.

Wonder how many people think that was real?

[Phoenix]

That was a nice opening exchange between HHH and Punk.

Wonder how many people think that was real?

Besides you, you mean?

25 minutes. And you lapped it up.

[zrinkill]

Besides you, you mean?

25 minutes. And you lapped it up.

Must have struck a nerve.

[DallasGirl50]

Well I love watching HHH...I wish he was wrestling but will take what he is doing now. Punk is THE GUY to watch nowadays so it's all good. Cena is too lame for words.

[DallasGirl50]

It's entertaining, and it's the most interested I have been in the Sting character ever.

Well as a long time Sting fan thru all his various gimmicks this is by far a low point for him...it's embarrassingly bad even for pro wrestling (and that is saying alot). I can't watch that crap. Let me know when the real Sting is back.

[RoyTheHammer]

The Worked Shoot Era


Also known as.. the death of professional wrestling.

Good Lord, this is garbage. At this point, I DVR Raw, tune in for the 30 seconds that Triple H makes his entrance, than delete the program. Its truly an awful product aimed at children and families. Gag me.

TNA is the only program i can watch right now, and even that has more than its fair share of "eye roll" skits.

Terrible time to be a wrestling fan.

[zrinkill]

The Worked Shoot Era ....Also known as.. the death of professional wrestling.

:laugh2:

Do not agree at all.

[zrinkill]

Well as a long time Sting fan thru all his various gimmicks this is by far a low point for him...it's embarrassingly bad even for pro wrestling (and that is saying alot). I can't watch that crap. Let me know when the real Sting is back.

This ....

[BraveHeartFan]

I don't know that I buy the whole doom and gloom, death of professional wrestling, stuff. It's not the first time people made that claim (In fact I remember as a kid how people would talk about how letting it out that wrestling was in fact fake, and scripted, would kill the business. Clearly it didn't.) and it's never came true.

I feel sorry, honestly, for anyone who can only enjoy wrestling if it's only like it was in the late 90's. If that's the only way you can enjoy it, and any other way it sucks, then I truly feel bad for you.

[zrinkill]

Colt Cabana, who formerly competed as Scotty Goldman in 2008 and 2009, worked a dark match prior to Tuesday's SmackDown taping in Lexington, Kentucky. He lost to Wade Barrett after receiving the Wasteland.


:laugh2:

[RoyTheHammer]

I don't know that I buy the whole doom and gloom, death of professional wrestling, stuff. It's not the first time people made that claim (In fact I remember as a kid how people would talk about how letting it out that wrestling was in fact fake, and scripted, would kill the business. Clearly it didn't.) and it's never came true.

I feel sorry, honestly, for anyone who can only enjoy wrestling if it's only like it was in the late 90's. If that's the only way you can enjoy it, and any other way it sucks, then I truly feel bad for you.

I can enjoy it like it was in the 80's-90's.. the stupid kiddie crap they market now is just embarassing. When i say the death of wrestling, i don't mean the WWE is finished. They'll keep going strong.. with a crappy product.

[DallasGirl50]

I don't know that I buy the whole doom and gloom, death of professional wrestling, stuff. It's not the first time people made that claim (In fact I remember as a kid how people would talk about how letting it out that wrestling was in fact fake, and scripted, would kill the business. Clearly it didn't.) and it's never came true.

I feel sorry, honestly, for anyone who can only enjoy wrestling if it's only like it was in the late 90's. If that's the only way you can enjoy it, and any other way it sucks, then I truly feel bad for you.

I watch mainly for guys that have become my favorites thru the years...there have been times when guys I really like have done programs I don't like (Sting/Joker for instance) & I just don't watch till they move on. It's just fun..nothing more. And for all the bashing most wrestlers take from haters most of them are very good athletes. Most..not all.

[BraveHeartFan]

I can enjoy it like it was in the 80's-90's.. the stupid kiddie crap they market now is just embarassing. When i say the death of wrestling, i don't mean the WWE is finished. They'll keep going strong.. with a crappy product.


Gotcha man. Misread you there. My bad.

The kiddie crap...eh. It's just what sells at the moment. The mid-late 80's was a lot of the same thing, and then the early 90's in WWE for sure, because that's what kept them out of trouble and kept them selling.

I imagine, at some point, it will swing more the other way with the audiences and it will go more toward what you enjoy a lot more, for a while, then swing back.

Seems to be pretty normal as far as the wrestling cycles go.

[zrinkill]

Families liked in in the 40's and 50's
Men liked it in the 60's and 70's
Kids liked it in the 80's
Teenagers and young adults (generation X) liked it in the 90's
kids and teenagers liked it in the 2000's

Personally I think this new age will appeal to the Teens and the young adults again, and us generation X'rs will act like all the old generations before us.

Complaining that the stuff nowadays is junk and trash.

:laugh2:

[DallasGirl50]

Hogan was marketed for the kids for most of his red & yellow career...till he went all NWO I can remember nothing but that from him. I doubt any wrestler made more money than Hogan for the business....

[Romo 2 Austin]

Families liked in in the 40's and 50's
Men liked it in the 60's and 70's
Kids liked it in the 80's
Teenagers and young adults (generation X) liked it in the 90's
kids and teenagers liked it in the 2000's

Personally I think this new age will appeal to the Teens and the young adults again, and us generation X'rs will act like all the old generations before us.

Complaining that the stuff nowadays is junk and trash.

:laugh2:

2000's was kids and preteens, TNA was teenagers and young adults.

80's was WWF kids, NWA adults.

Unless you were only referring to WWE, WWF and WWWF

[zrinkill]

Unless you were only referring to WWE, WWF and WWWF

Why would I discuss TNA when talking about the history of wrestling?

They were only created after WCW was bought out.


TNA was

Preteens and ex WCW fans.


i'll stop now, but IK im right, so when he leaves in a month or so i'll make a nice thread and hopefully some will be mature enough to eat some crow, because Punk is not staying in WWE

Still waiting.

[DallasGirl50]

Punk isn't going anywhere...he never was. The vaunted website that is never wrong was wrong. What does Truth say? They got got? I bet I just butchered his catch phrase..

[big dog cowboy]

Punk isn't going anywhere...he never was. The vaunted website that is never wrong was wrong. What does Truth say? They got got?
Now that's the truth.

[zrinkill]

:laugh2:

[BraveHeartFan]

Nah. He's still waiting to see if it's yet another short term deal and he'll leave after Summerslam.

Instead of admiting he was wrong he's going to continue to put conditions of "Well we'll wait till this plays out or that plays out" in order to keep from admiting that he, and his favorite magazine, were wrong.

But it's no big deal either way. Everyone knows they were wrong and they don't really need for him to be mature enough, as he was crowing for in his prediction, to admit it.

[zrinkill]

The August 4, 2011 episode of Impact Wrestling scored a 1.14 cable rating, down from 1.20 the prior week and 1.26 on July 21.

Impact averaged 1,436,000 viewers over the course of two hours, down 22 percent from 1,794,000 on July 21.

[DallasGirl50]

Somebody told me Spike may drop Impact..that the channel was reworking their whole lineup. I won't watch anyway while Sting is the Joker. Don't know if that is even true or not. Probably from some wrestling message board & we all know they are not accurate

[Romo 2 Austin]

Somebody told me Spike may drop Impact..that the channel was reworking their whole lineup. I won't watch anyway while Sting is the Joker. Don't know if that is even true or not. Probably from some wrestling message board & we all know they are not accurate

I heard it too but it's been debunked by Spike officials, they are reworking their network to appeal to women, children etc; aswell, but they are obviously not abadonning their #1 show, UFC draws sub 1.0 for all content besides the free fights, which draw around 1.4-1.5, TNA is the #1 consistent ranking on the network so it won't be dropped unless they produce 2, 3 hit shows drawing 1.5 + consistently.

Their is a reason Blue Mountain State which draws around 0.7, costs more money than iMPACT per episode to produce is their #1 original content series and is now entering its 3rd season.

[DallasGirl50]

I'm not watching it or recording it till Sting drops the Joker crap...

[Romo 2 Austin]

I'm not watching it or recording it till Sting drops the Joker crap...

I don't expect it any time soon, in the quarter by quarter ratings that stuff is usually .1 higher than the show average, one of the top 2 draws in TNA right now along with AJ Styles segments.

[BraveHeartFan]

Ehh...their ratings dropped a bit. So what? Every companies ratings go up and down, up and down, all through out the year. It's nothing unusual or unexpected, to be quite honest.

[DallasGirl50]

I don't care if every tv in the US is tuned in when Sting is on...mine won't be. I don't mind the Crow stuff..I actually like the edgy nature of that but not this.

[BraveHeartFan]

I don't care if every tv in the US is tuned in when Sting is on...mine won't be. I don't mind the Crow stuff..I actually like the edgy nature of that but not this.

I understand that. For sure.

I tried watching it I like The Joker and I think it would be a very good gimmick IF put on the right person.

I just don't think Sting works for it. He just doesn't seem to...I don't even know how to explain it really I just don't care for it much.

[DallasGirl50]

Love Sting..you guys tell me when he is back! I love watching Angle too. As I have said many times he's the best working now in all of wrestling. I would never put Styles over Angle but I get all that...

[zrinkill]

So what?

The kid was laughing at WWE's ratings a few weeks ago ...... was just returning the favor.

[BraveHeartFan]

The kid was laughing at WWE's ratings a few weeks ago ...... was just returning the favor.

Gotcha.

That so what is really more for all of it. The TNA fans the WWE fans the ROH fans the whatever fans. Wasn't really meant to be just your post. Sorry about that.

[zrinkill]

WWE released four wrestlers today. The releases were confirmed by WWE's regular 'future endeavors' post on their website. Melina, Vladimir Kozlov, Chris "the Masterpeice" Masters, and DH Smith were all given their 'future endeavors'

http://www.examiner.com/pro-wrestling-in-national/wwe-releases-melina-chris-masters-vladimir-kozlov-and-d-h-smith

[DallasGirl50]

I don't know who DH Smith is...the others I heard about several days ago. I have always heard Melina is a unliked diva but who knows? Last time I watched IMPACT they had a ton of diva action on there..she will probably end up there.

[zrinkill]

I don't know who DH Smith is...t

British bulldogs son.

[DallasGirl50]

Ok..thanks. That team got a push & then faded quickly...

[Romo 2 Austin]

Surprised by Masters, he has improved as a worker immensely.

[dargonking999]

Is anyone tired of Johns promos they are so whiny lately I guess they just want cm punk to sound even cooler

[zrinkill]

Steve Austin appeared on tonight's episode of G4's Attack of the Show

Austin was asked about the rumors of him wrestling CM Punk at next year's WrestleMania 28 pay-per-view from Miami, Florida.

Pat adds that Austin said he is a huge fan of Punk and if he did come back for another match, he would want it to be against the Straight Edge Superstar.

Austin would not say if the match will or won't happen next year.

[DallasGirl50]

Is anyone tired of Johns promos they are so whiny lately I guess they just want cm punk to sound even cooler

He has always been lame to me..he can't compete in any type of promo with Punk who has excellent mic skills. Rock looks great...

[Yeagermeister]

I caught the tail end of Raw and have a question. Was the John Laurenitis person that was in the ring for the contract signing the same guy that was Hawk in LOD?

[zrinkill]

I caught the tail end of Raw and have a question. Was the John Laurenitis person that was in the ring for the contract signing the same guy that was Hawk in LOD?

No .... he was a jobber named johnny ace.

[Yeagermeister]

No .... he was a jobber named johnny ace.

Ok I didn't think so

[dargonking999]

He has always been lame to me..he can't compete in any type of promo with Punk who has excellent mic skills. Rock looks great...

Oh I agree with that but since the return of the rock his promos have been getting more and more banish espically once cm punk took his precious title.

[zrinkill]

Oh I agree with that but since the return of the rock his promos have been getting more and more banish especially once cm punk took his precious title.

he is about to turn back into his "thuganomics" character.

Every shoot is about him being a yes man or a company shrill.

he is gonna "lose it" and declare war on the wwe ...... probably as head of a "thug" group.

This will make him the heel in his match vs the rock. (though people will like him better as a heel)

[DallasGirl50]

You are probably right Z...Cena went on last nite about staying true to his real fans. Probably a giveaway that a change is coming. I can't be fair about him because I don't like his gimmick..he annoys me. He always has.

[zrinkill]

You are probably right Z...

Just a guess ........ I do not pretend to know everything.

[DallasGirl50]

Nor do I....but a good guess on your part.Something is gonna happen to Cena to create some heat for that match. His "aw shucks" act is stale.

[BraveHeartFan]

Id like John a heck of a lot better as a heel. i understand why they've pushed him in the way they do, with the kids and all, but it's better all around for the product, and John, if he gets to go back to being a heel again.

[DallasGirl50]

Id like John a heck of a lot better as a heel. i understand why they've pushed him in the way they do, with the kids and all, but it's better all around for the product, and John, if he gets to go back to being a heel again.

i don't remember when he was a heel...that thug stuff? And GREAT to see the clip of Bret...even in a short bit it was easy to see how darn good he was. Mr. Perfect too...

[zrinkill]

i don't remember when he was a heel...that thug stuff?


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[DallasGirl50]

Whatever you put on there about Cena being a heel I can't see on my phone...my web access isn't always so good.

[Aikmaniac]

Was extremely impressed with John Morrison this past Monday.

[DallasGirl50]

Was extremely impressed with John Morrison this past Monday.

just keep him off the mic & it's all good...

[BraveHeartFan]

just keep him off the mic & it's all good...

Agreed. The worst thing they do to him is when they give him a mic. The guy simply sucks at it.

[DallasGirl50]

Agreed. The worst thing they do to him is when they give him a mic. The guy simply sucks at it.

Yea he does. He is very uncomfortable on the mic.

[BraveHeartFan]

Which is a shame cause there was a very brief flash of possible ability when he was in ECW as the Shaman of Sexy.

[DallasGirl50]

Which is a shame cause there was a very brief flash of possible ability when he was in ECW as the Shaman of Sexy.

well John seems to be a hard worker...his workout regimen is sick...& they can continue to push him for stuff with Ziggler, Truth, etc. I would not be surprised if at some point he is tagging with somebody & belted that way. But mic work..nope...that is not his thing. I like him. I never watched ECW much. Rarely.

[zrinkill]

It’s being reported that on-screen WWE Chief Operating Officer (COO) and real life Executive Senior Advisor to Vince McMahon, Triple H, is looking to revive the tag team division in the WWE with some fresh, new teams. Triple H and the newest addition to the WWE Creative Team, Kevin Eck (former writer for The Baltimore Sun), have been looking to do some “talent grooming” and this looks to be part of that plan.

http://www.wrestling101.com/home/2011/08/wwe-tripleh-tag-team-revival/

[MichaelWinicki]

I guess this is what the WWE has to do in order to generate more excitement for the product.

In the old days, to generate excitement, all Vince Sr. would need to do was bring in an Ernie Ladd, Ivan Kolhoff or Stan Hansen.

All of a sudden you had new rivalries and new things to talk about. But with a limited roster of wrestlers and really not much in the way of other regions to pull from, the choices are pretty limited.

[DallasGirl50]

It’s being reported that on-screen WWE Chief Operating Officer (COO) and real life Executive Senior Advisor to Vince McMahon, Triple H, is looking to revive the tag team division in the WWE with some fresh, new teams. Triple H and the newest addition to the WWE Creative Team, Kevin Eck (former writer for The Baltimore Sun), have been looking to do some “talent grooming” and this looks to be part of that plan.

http://www.wrestling101.com/home/2011/08/wwe-tripleh-tag-team-revival/

i've been hearing that for awhile...I personally prefer singles...they use to have some really good tag action.

[zrinkill]

Randy Orton beats Christian

CM Punk beats Cena

and then

Kevin Nash beats up CM punk and ............

Alberto Del RIOOOOOOOOOOOO cashes in his MITB and becomes the new Champion.

:laugh2:

Great Pay per view.

[Ren]

Can't wait for the R2A tears, this is going to be awesome :lmao:

[zrinkill]

Can't wait for the R2A tears, this is going to be awesome :lmao:

:bow:

Wonder if he is gonna finally do his "told ya so" thread.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Never watching the WWE product until the worst professional "entertainer" in history is no longer champion.

Every drop of interest gained by this angle is now such waste its like pissing in a neighbors mailbox. People crap on TNA for using veterans, WWE just re-debuted a 52 year old man in their WWE title scene, and not one that still can work and looks young like Sting does.


Worst PPV ever, worst ending ever, worst booking ever. I am absolutely amazed by this ignorance by the WWE booking team, honestly having Stephanie McMahon as WWE champion would be a better move, atleast shes entertaining.

Ignorance at its best, Vince has shoved this mental down our throats for over a year and just couldn't stop. Too bad come 2 weeks from now no one will give a **** about him and it will be a worse title reign than Swaggers, hell it'll be worse than Zigglers 1 hour reign.

Good luck rebuilding WWE, this isn't a "realityEra", this is worse than the PG era, this is the "G" era, and that G does not stand for general. You have now lost a customer who has consistently bought PPV's for decade and was one of those "lifer" fans you try so hard to attain. I will never again by a WWE ppv, buy WWE merchandise, or go to a WWE live event period, baring a HBK title reign.

[zrinkill]

:lmao:


What a loss .......

[Ren]

Never watching the WWE product until the worst professional "entertainer" in history is no longer champion.

Every drop of interest gained by this angle is now such waste its like pissing in a neighbors mailbox. People crap on TNA for using veterans, WWE just re-debuted a 52 year old man in their WWE title scene, and not one that still can work and looks young like Sting does.


Worst PPV ever, worst ending ever, worst booking ever. I am absolutely amazed by this ignorance by the WWE booking team, honestly having Stephanie McMahon as WWE champion would be a better move, atleast shes entertaining.

Ignorance at its best, Vince has shoved this mental down our throats for over a year and just couldn't stop. Too bad come 2 weeks from now no one will give a **** about him and it will be a worse title reign than Swaggers, hell it'll be worse than Zigglers 1 hour reign.

Good luck rebuilding WWE, this isn't a "realityEra", this is worse than the PG era, this is the "G" era, and that G does not stand for general. You have now lost a customer who has consistently bought PPV's for decade and was one of those "lifer" fans you try so hard to attain. I will never again by a WWE ppv, buy WWE merchandise, or go to a WWE live event period, baring a HBK title reign.

http://www.350z-tech.com/forums/attachments/i-got-hit/45748d1296784802-windshield-you-mad-bro.jpg

[Romo 2 Austin]

:lmao:


What a loss .......

Im sure if I look back at a thread a year ago, you ripped TNA for using Kevin Nash & Booker T, and neither was in the world title scene. Funaki> Del Rio. Yoshi Tatsu> Del Rio. My 7 year old cousin > Del rio. The biggest joke in wrestling history.

[DallasGirl50]

It was actually very good..nobody saw the Nash stuff coming. Well I didn't. Good to see Edge. Was a foregone conclusion ADR was going to be champ when he won MITB Match. I loved the Nash stuff.

[Romo 2 Austin]

http://www.350z-tech.com/forums/attachments/i-got-hit/45748d1296784802-windshield-you-mad-bro.jpg

Infuriated.

[zrinkill]

http://www.350z-tech.com/forums/attachments/i-got-hit/45748d1296784802-windshield-you-mad-bro.jpg

:lmao:

[Romo 2 Austin]

It was actually very good..nobody saw the Nash stuff coming. Well I didn't. Good to see Edge. Was a foregone conclusion ADR was going to be champ when he won MITB Match. I loved the Nash stuff.

A 52 year old just squashed the hottest character they have had in over a decade.

Why?

[zrinkill]

Im sure if I look back at a thread a year ago, you ripped TNA for using Kevin Nash & Booker T, and neither was in the world title scene.

Look it up ....... I complained about Hogan, Sting and Flair ....... and you defended it.

Del Rio is better than 99% of the TNA roster.

You just jelly ......


:lmao:

[zrinkill]

It was actually very good..nobody saw the Nash stuff coming. Well I didn't. Good to see Edge. Was a foregone conclusion ADR was going to be champ when he won MITB Match. I loved the Nash stuff.

Yup ....... was a great PPV

[DallasGirl50]

Im sure if I look back at a thread a year ago, you ripped TNA for using Kevin Nash & Booker T, and neither was in the world title scene. Funaki> Del Rio. Yoshi Tatsu> Del Rio. My 7 year old cousin > Del rio. The biggest joke in wrestling history.

Stop being silly...he is not a bad wrestler.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Look it up ....... I complained about Hogan, Sting and Flair ....... and you defended it.

Del Rio is better than 99% of the TNA roster.

You just jelly ......


:lmao:

How am I "jelly" if I enjoyed this joke of an entertainer I would not flame him. I've seen trampoline wrestling on youtube that is more entertaining than Del Rio, and hell some of them get bigger pops infront of like 15 people, atleast they get a reaction not like Del Rio getting a pumped in reaction.

The only reaction he gets is laughs, with people saying http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/3/5/usrs128492126065117500.jpg

[Romo 2 Austin]

Stop being silly...he is not a bad wrestler.

No he's not bad, he's awful. His finisher is unbelievable, no one would do that. His gimmick is a ripoff of one that was perfected by JBL years ago, his smile is useless, his generic promos would be cut better by a autistic 7 year old, his look is awful he should go back under the mask, the best part of his character is Ricardo Rodriguez.

[Ren]

I can't wait for the fiesta on raw tomorrow :laugh2:

[Ren]

How am I "jelly" if I enjoyed this joke of an entertainer I would not flame him. I've seen trampoline wrestling on youtube that is more entertaining than Del Rio, and hell some of them get bigger pops infront of like 15 people, atleast they get a reaction not like Del Rio getting a pumped in reaction.

The only reaction he gets is laughs, with people saying http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/3/5/usrs128492126065117500.jpg (http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/3/5/usrs128492126065117500.jpg)


http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfvskmwfsL1qzgltno1_400.gif

[Romo 2 Austin]

I can't wait for the fiesta on raw tomorrow :laugh2:

Already removed from my DVR. ;)

[DallasGirl50]

A 52 year old just squashed the hottest character they have had in over a decade.

Why?

surprise...to create a new rivalry for Punk...and REMEMBER Punk is going nowhere. Punk will be just as popular tomorrow as he was tonite. They will bring up some bad blood between them from long ago. I never gave a moment's thought to Nash interferring in that match...that is gpod writing. Most of the stuff is so predictable. I like the stuff you never see coming.

[Romo 2 Austin]

The fact that this guy is the champion has disgraced the belt.

Vince Sr has rolled over in his grave.

[Romo 2 Austin]

surprise...to create a new rivalry for Punk...and REMEMBER Punk is going nowhere. Punk will be just as popular tomorrow as he was tonite. They will bring up some bad blood between them from long ago. I never gave a moment's thought to Nash interferring in that match...that is gpod writing. Most of the stuff is so predictable. I like the stuff you never see coming.

Could've brought in JBL, could've brought in Jericho, could've brought in Batista, could've brought in Colt Cabana turn on Punk.


Why a 52 year old man, who couldn't wrestle a good match for his life in his prime?

[zrinkill]

Punk will not be feuding with Nash ...... he will be feuding with HHH.

Nash was brought in because of the Klic connection so Punk would think HHH was behind the whole thing.





Still waiting on that told ya so thread.

[DallasGirl50]

The fact that this guy is the champion has disgraced the belt.

Vince Sr has rolled over in his grave.

oh brother...did you really NOT think ADR would not be champ one day? I would rather see him have the belt for a month or so than have had Cena win AGAIN for the umpteenth time. Punk will be champ again.

[DallasGirl50]

Punk will not be feuding with Nash ...... he will be feuding with HHH.

Nash was brought in because of the Klic connection so Punk would think HHH was behind the whole thing.





Still waiting on that told ya so thread.

I have virtually no recollection of the Klic or any of that...I am glad it will lead to something new anyway.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Punk will not be feuding with Nash ...... he will be feuding with HHH.

Nash was brought in because of the Klic connection so Punk would think HHH was behind the whole thing.





Still waiting on that told ya so thread.

It'll come when its clear if Punk is staying or just signed an extension, Hardy was in a similar situation 2 years ago.

Either way, Nash squashed Punk. That is as dumb as having Bob Backlund squash Triple H in say 2002, or Freddy Balasie squashing Stone Cold in 99.

It's just dumb.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Now, if popular speculation going on in the IWC is correct and this will lead to a "kliq" type thing, meaning HBK will return it's all worth it.


as said before, HBK>All.

I'll watch 4 hours of a talking towel to see the great one speak for 2 minutes. HBK, HBK, HBK.... I'd rather pay $55 to watch HBK talk to himself for 4 hours, than $55 for WrestleMania.

[zrinkill]

It'll come when its clear if Punk is staying or just signed an extension,

:lmao2:

You keep pushing back the date ........ I did not expect you to be mature enough to admit you were wrong.

[Romo 2 Austin]

:lmao2:

You keep pushing back the date ........ I did not expect you to be mature enough to admit you were wrong.

I've said the second week after SummerSlam for months now.

[big dog cowboy]

Kevin Nash is my hero.

[zrinkill]

I've said the second week after SummerSlam for months now.

Really?

posted 06-01-2011

CMPunk CM Punk
I'm on the couch for the rest of the night. Could get used to this.

i'll stop now, but IK im right, so when he leaves in a month or so i'll make a nice thread and hopefully some will be mature enough to eat some crow, because Punk is not staying in WWE.


:laugh2:

[DallasGirl50]

Kevin Nash is my hero.

He is a great interview...he has some classic on the road stories.I am glad he is back.

[big dog cowboy]

I am glad he is back.
NWO 4 life!

[MichaelWinicki]

Wow! A 52 yo getting a major push.

It would be one thing if it were a 52 yo Flair, Race, Bockwinkle or even a 52 yo Bruno... Someone who could really wrestle.

[zrinkill]

Wow! A 52 yo getting a major push.

It would be one thing if it were a 52 yo Flair, Race, Bockwinkle or even a 52 yo Bruno... Someone who could really wrestle.

He is not getting a push ....... that only happens in TNA.

He is being brought in on the HHH/Punk angle because he is real good on the mic and he is probably gonna be going in the Hall of Fame this year.

Thats it.

[BraveHeartFan]

I don't get the uproar.

Didn't Nash attack, and beat up Punk, AFTER a match with Cena? Stands to reason a fresh guy (Even the 52 year old guy that people are screaming about) would be able to pretty easily beat up on Punk after he's just went through a tough match with Cena and pulled it out.

Now if he came down before the match, beat the hell out of Punk, and that allowed Cena to retain that would have been a sham. That would have been terrible.

But done this way? No biggy. It doesn't hurt Punk, at all. In fact this only bolsters his position and his part of the angle. This idea that the WWE wants to hold him back because he's the best. And once again, after beating the supposed best in WWE (John Cena) and retaining his WWE title the WWE has screwed him once more by having a non-wrestler attack him, beat him up, and then Del Rio pounced on the oppurtunity to cash in his title shot and steal the title from him.

It's actually quite solid for Punk and easily helps set up further stuff with Punk and HHH. I have absolutely nothing against this particular set of moves to further Punk into his position.

This will set up nicely for Punk and he will be champion once more. There is absolutely no doubt about that.


And Zrin just let it go. He's never going to admit it. He'll continue to push the date back every time the latest one he pulls out of his butt passes. He's already admited, without doing so, that he was wrong and just refuses to. He's going to keep up with his silly little song and dance, even if he has to wait 5 or 6 years for Punk to leave, so he can say "I told you. I told you all along he was leaving. See! I was right."

It's not worth bringing it up all the time because he's simply too stubborn to admit that he was wrong about Punk leaving when his precious PWI magazine told him he was.


And no one, and I mean absolutely no one, should ever scream about the 52 year old beating up someone in the WWE main event when you've got Sting not only beating people up but winning titles in the Main Event of TNA.

Now don't get me wrong I like Sting. I used to really like him. But he's long passed, IMO of course, the point where i'd be putting titles on him and in doing so you're only hurting the guys you're supposed to be bringing up.

It does Ken Anderson or any of those guys any good to be losing big matches to Sting at this point in Stings career.

I will give TNA credit for one thing though. So far, for the most part, they've managed to keep Hulk Hogan out of the ring and the TNA title off of his waist. I'm surprised by that, but pleasantly so, because that's generally Hogan's MO.


Oh and one final thought....anyone downgrading someone cause their finisher is something 'no one would do that' is either just being super stubborn or silly beyond belief.

Cause if that's criteria for someone being lousy, and shouldn't be in the main event, then 90% of your wrestlers would fall under that catagory. Do you really see people actually laying there to take a People's Elbow? Are people REALLY going to just slump over and allow people to hit them with a Pedigree or a Styles Clash?

Come on. Get real. Saying "no one would do that" about a move, as if any of the finishing moves for top guys would really be done in a real life fight situation, is incredibly silly and quite possibly the most flimsy argument I've ever seen made about a wrestler.

[DallasGirl50]

I forgot to add..I thought the Christian/Orton match was a very good match. Kind of surprised me..but they both delivered.

[zrinkill]

And Zrin just let it go. He's never going to admit it. He'll continue to push the date back every time the latest one he pulls out of his butt passes. He's already admited, without doing so, that he was wrong and just refuses to. He's going to keep up with his silly little song and dance, even if he has to wait 5 or 6 years for Punk to leave, so he can say "I told you. I told you all along he was leaving. See! I was right."

It's not worth bringing it up all the time because he's simply too stubborn to admit that he was wrong about Punk leaving when his precious PWI magazine told him he was.

Never.

The twerp called me a liar, I said I did not know anything about wrestling or how storylines develop.

And he has been wrong on every single thing he says.

I will continue to call him out.

[zrinkill]

I forgot to add..I thought the Christian/Orton match was a very good match. Kind of surprised me..but they both delivered.

The whole card was pretty good (cept the divas match)

[DallasGirl50]

The whole card was pretty good (cept the divas match)

yep..even Sheamus & Mark Henry was decent. I think Mark is one of the worse wrestlers I've ever seen but he is being booked right & it's working.

[zrinkill]

CM Punk Says He Got Ridiculous Offers While Away from WWE and More

As noted before, former WWE Champion CM Punk appeared on Mark Madden's radio show in Pittsburgh last Monday afternoon. They talked about Punk coming back as early as he did. Madden asked Punk if it would have helped "the cause" better if Punk stayed gone longer as opposed to returning in time to headline SummerSlam.

Punk talked about how they could have done more with the angle if WWE's business was going good.

"Now you're getting into the numbers side of the business," Punk replied. Sure, I would have loved to drag it out. There's a billion different scenarios you could have done. I could have went and worked indies. I had the most ridiculous offers from the most unbelievable sources. I'll write a book some day and it'll be a hell of a chapter. It would have been fun to go do commentary for like Titan Fighting Championship, it would have been fun to maybe show up at a ROH show, or go bother Gabe at Evolve, do all kinds of fun stuff. The bottom line is we have a TV show and a pay-per-view to sell. Basically it's the hottest thing and you just kind of ride it until the wheels fall off. Could it have been done in a more entertaining way? If everything is selling out and business is awesome, then yeah, maybe. Maybe."



:laugh2:

[BraveHeartFan]

Never.

The twerp called me a liar, I said I did not know anything about wrestling or how storylines develop.

And he has been wrong on every single thing he says.

I will continue to call him out.

lol. Ok man. It's no biggy. I just hate to see you wasting your time.


On another note I actually watched the first full hour of RAW last night. First time I've done that with any wrestling show in a few years.

After the Punk/Nash segment at the 9pm hour the call to play Battlefield Bad Company 2 was simply to strong for the rest of the show to hold me in.

I liked the opening of the show and I thought the segment with Punk and Nash was ok. I thought Punk was very entertaining and Nash did ok. You could tell there is a bit of rust on the big guy as far as his mic work goes.

[DallasGirl50]

I just watched...my first thought about Kevin was he may be 52 & that is obviously a big deal to some..but would anyone in their right mind walk up to him & tell him he is old & washed up? Hope you have insurance...the stuff with Zigglar was dumb. Anything with VG usually is. Guess she will end up with Swagger..that will be good for Dolph. Hints of tag team resurrection being needed. And you were right Z..that Klic stuff is coming back.

[BraveHeartFan]

If the Klic stuff comes back then I'd look for an eventual match between HBK and Punk. They laid the ground work for that a while back when Punk, leading the New Nexus, interrupted an HBK promo.

So I would definately be up for an HBK/Punk deal. That would be awesome.

[big dog cowboy]

I just watched...my first thought about Kevin was he may be 52 & that is obviously a big deal to some..but would anyone in their right mind walk up to him & tell him he is old & washed up? Hope you have insurance...the stuff with Zigglar was dumb. Anything with VG usually is. Guess she will end up with Swagger..that will be good for Dolph. Hints of tag team resurrection being needed. And you were right Z..that Klic stuff is coming back.

Agree about Big Sexy. It was great to see him in the ring again.

Anything with VG and Zigglar is dumb and a waste of electricity. Swagger looks to be added to that mess.

I'm a big proponet of tag team resurrection. Bring back the Dudley's!!!

I saw Klic signs in the crowd last night. Hopefully there is movement underway for it's return.

[DallasGirl50]

For the life of me I don't remember that Klic stuff..I personally don't care much for tag teams but they are going that direction. I had a friend who went to the stuff last weekend..& came out a huge Miz fan. He said he was funny & had more fun with the fans than anybody there. He said Punk was a big hit too.

[Romo 2 Austin]

If the Klic stuff comes back then I'd look for an eventual match between HBK and Punk. They laid the ground work for that a while back when Punk, leading the New Nexus, interrupted an HBK promo.

So I would definately be up for an HBK/Punk deal. That would be awesome.

Only way they are getting my money back. & it better be a feud over the title

[Ren]

Only way they are getting my money back. & it better be a feud over the title


Putting HBK in a title feud would be just as stupid as making Cena/Rock a title match. Even if he comes back he's not gonna be around so they would have to give it to Punk killing any possibilities of it being exciting

[BraveHeartFan]

Only way they are getting my money back. & it better be a feud over the title


I think the feud will eventually happen. I could see HBK doing some feuds here and there to help elevate talent. I don't know, actually I don't believe to be honest with you, that it will have anything to do with the title when it happens.

The reality is that an HBK/Punk feud doesn't need the title in it for it to be hot and important. They can use the title on someone elses program, that will need the belt in it to make it work, while HBK and Punk can work magic without a strap involved.

[zrinkill]

Only way they are getting my money back.

:rolleyes:


Still waiting .......

[zrinkill]

The reality is that an HBK/Punk feud doesn't need the title in it for it to be hot and important. They can use the title on someone elses program, that will need the belt in it to make it work, while HBK and Punk can work magic without a strap involved.

Agreed ......

[Romo 2 Austin]

Putting HBK in a title feud would be just as stupid as making Cena/Rock a title match. Even if he comes back he's not gonna be around so they would have to give it to Punk killing any possibilities of it being exciting

Or HBK could retire the belt. That'd be something!

[Romo 2 Austin]

I think the feud will eventually happen. I could see HBK doing some feuds here and there to help elevate talent. I don't know, actually I don't believe to be honest with you, that it will have anything to do with the title when it happens.

The reality is that an HBK/Punk feud doesn't need the title in it for it to be hot and important. They can use the title on someone elses program, that will need the belt in it to make it work, while HBK and Punk can work magic without a strap involved.

HBK still deserves a final run as champion, & I want to see it happen.

[zrinkill]

Putting HBK in a title feud would be just as stupid as making Cena/Rock a title match. Even if he comes back he's not gonna be around so they would have to give it to Punk killing any possibilities of it being exciting

This ......

[big dog cowboy]

:rolleyes:


Still waiting .......
Don't hold your breath.


:laugh2:

[BraveHeartFan]

Or HBK could retire the belt. That'd be something!

Ehhhh....retire it for what? Then have just the World championship or the WWE championship (Depending on which one you've got them working with at the time)?

I don't see that really happening and honestly there is no reason for it to happen. Very few guys ever retire as the champion, Edge being an immediate exception due to physical reasons.

I really don't see HBK ever even agreeing to such a thing. In the late 1990's, sure, because he was greedy for himself in a lot of ways and would have done it then as an F-U to all the guys who hated him.

Now HBK is much more mature, a better person, and I highly doubt you'd ever talk him into doing such a thing. He's a pro.


HBK still deserves a final run as champion, & I want to see it happen.

Perhaps he does. I'm not against an HBK run I'm simply saying at this point and time the guy doesn't need it and he knows it. HBK could come back 100 times in the next 20 years and NEVER win another match and you know what? He'll still be over. He'll still be huge. He'll still be thought of as one of, if not the, greatest superstars of all time.

That's the magic of being that guy in wrestling. And by that guy I don't just mean HBK I mean any and all who have that status.

Hogan, Foley, Austin, The Rock, HBK, HHH, Flair (and I wish he'd have learned this about 5 or 6 years ago for sure) are all guys who could come in and never win again, never do anything but put younger guys over, and it would never tarnish or hurt their legacy.

That's why when it comes time for Punk and HBK you won't be seeing HBK winning any titles and you'll be seeing Punk win out in the 'money' match in the end. Because HBK knows his place, knows he's where he can do anything he wants to help put someone else over, and will do it.

He's proven it over and over again for the last 5+ years. It's one of the major reasons he is thought of in that best ever platue.

[zrinkill]

Retiring as Champion for any reason other than health issues is considered very bad taste in the wrestling world.

Guys on the way out are supposed to work for the next generation, for the good of the business.


I am surprised PWI experts do not know that.

:laugh2:

[zrinkill]

PWI's (they are never wrong I have heard) Top 500 Wrestlers Of 2011 - Top 10 Revealed (plus number 24 :p: )

1. The Miz
2. Randy Orton
3. John Cena
4. Kane
5. Takashi Sugiura
6. Alberto Del Rio
7. Mr. Anderson
8. Rey Mysterio
9. Eddie Edwards
10. CM Punk
.
.
.
.
24. AJ Styles


Looks like what I predicted came true again.

Hilarious ....... I cannot wait to see what is said if ADR is ranked higher than Styles

[DallasGirl50]

No Angle? Uh ok....

[zrinkill]

No Angle? Uh ok....

He was 18.

[BraveHeartFan]

Very interesting list. I'm not surprised, really, by any of the rankings.

[DallasGirl50]

He was 18.

18? Ugh..to me he's the best working currently. In ring work I mean. I do not consider him the best performer though...and much is "performance".

[BraveHeartFan]

18? Ugh..to me he's the best working currently. In ring work I mean. I do not consider him the best performer though...and much is "performance".

If they'd ever let him go back to be the goofy heel, like he once was in WWE, then he could be big in the performance area too. Kurt is golden on the mic and can be downright funny.

[zrinkill]

Very interesting list. I'm not surprised, really, by any of the rankings.

I am surprised Kane is that high ...... just because he never gets a lot of respect from the Marks.

[BraveHeartFan]

I am surprised Kane is that high ...... just because he never gets a lot of respect from the Marks.

Ignorance.

Much like Taker I've always really respected Kane because he does his job, does it pretty well, and you don't ever hear about him complaining, pissing, moaning.

He's a complete professional as well.

[zrinkill]

Ignorance.

Much like Taker I've always really respected Kane because he does his job, does it pretty well, and you don't ever hear about him complaining, pissing, moaning.

He's a complete professional as well.

I agree ......

[DallasGirl50]

Kane was trained by Taker...and has been passed over for years for belts...just like Mark. While Cena is rarely a month without a belt. I whine about it more than either of them. They are both absolute pros!

[DallasGirl50]

If they'd ever let him go back to be the goofy heel, like he once was in WWE, then he could be big in the performance area too. Kurt is golden on the mic and can be downright funny.

Kurt is a funny guy..I use to not like him. Dumb me...the guy is flat out great.

[BraveHeartFan]

Kane was trained by Taker...and has been passed over for years for belts...just like Mark. While Cena is rarely a month without a belt. I whine about it more than either of them. They are both absolute pros!

It's honestly why I do believe that both would make the Hall of Fame (I mean Taker is a given with the huge matches, feuds, his iconic character, and THE STREAK!!!!!) even without more than a couple championship reigns.

They're simply just that good. Sort of like Rick Rude and Curt Henning were without ever being the heavyweight Champion. They were still just that dang good at their jobs, and their roles in the company.

Professionals. The world needs more guys like this.


Kurt is a funny guy..I use to not like him. Dumb me...the guy is flat out great.

I hear ya. I have plenty of friends who hated him at first but quickly came around because of how dang funny he was. I was a fan from the start. I just loved the goofy, silly, over the top way he was a heel and would go on and on about his Gold Medals. Kurt Angle is a top 10 wrestler, all time, in my book. The guy is amazing.

[DallasGirl50]

Even with all his personal issues Angle is still a great wrestler...I was just ding dong dumb about him...he rubbed me the wrong way at first . He is definitely an all time great & to me when he left WWE they lost alot. Heck Kurt is just a great athlete period.

[Romo 2 Austin]

PWI's (they are never wrong I have heard) Top 500 Wrestlers Of 2011 - Top 10 Revealed (plus number 24 :p: )

1. The Miz
2. Randy Orton
3. John Cena
4. Kane
5. Takashi Sugiura
6. Alberto Del Rio
7. Mr. Anderson
8. Rey Mysterio
9. Eddie Edwards
10. CM Punk
.
.
.
.
24. AJ Styles


Looks like what I predicted came true again.


Um.

Pwinsider.com is different from PWIllustrated.

Wanted to clear that up.

[zrinkill]

Um.

Pwinsider.com is different from PWIllustrated.

Wanted to clear that up.

Um.

I said PWI

you have used both as a reference.

Nobody is confused except you ...... as usual.

[zrinkill]

Steve Austin Says ‘Tough Enough’ Is Returning, Comments On CM Punk

http://wrestleheat.com/steve-austin-tough-enough-returning-comments-cm-punk=11027

[BraveHeartFan]

Ehhh I'll probably watch it. I watched TE earlier this year and it was pretty good. Having Steve on the show made it a lot more enjoyable and I certainly enjoyed the guest appearances by other guys, especially The Rock and Cena.

[Ren]

Another month another Cena PPV main event, the whole Punk/Nash thing is just a way to get Punk out of the title picture so they can keep showing Cena down our throats.

The more things change the more they stay the same

[BraveHeartFan]

Another month another Cena PPV main event, the whole Punk/Nash thing is just a way to get Punk out of the title picture so they can keep showing Cena down our throats.

The more things change the more they stay the same

I really think it's more to set up Punk vs. HHH which doesn't need to be revolving around the title, and quite frankly, shouldn't have the title involved in it.

That's one of those feuds that will be amazing without the use of the title as a prop in it. I like the idea of Punk vs. HHH.