Redzone: Report: NFLPA to meet Monday

[cowboyjoe]

http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/18256/Report---NFLPA-to-meet-Monday/Default.aspx
NFL Player representatives emailed a letter to players saying, "We will meet again Monday to discuss our options and the direction we want to go," according to Adam Schefter of ESPN.

Thats kinda it fans, looks like shutting down till monday, nothing done yet as i understand it,

[cowboyjoe]

Chris Mortensen

RT @storm8_24: @mortreport so is the plan to vote on Monday? > No set plan but to communicate w all players. Exec comm & players reps will adjust as talks continue

[beevomav]

The players hate training camp and preseason games. Taking the weekend off is crazy and shows these lazy *** elite jerk offs don't want a deal.

[ScipioCowboy]

Next week? Next week!

Eff you, NFLPA*.

[EGG]

Fine,,, just shut the NFL down, I don't care anymore and the players obviously don't care what we think.

NCAA Football is where it's at,,,

[M'Kevon]

Likely complete by Wednesday.

[cowboyjoe]

Next week? Next week!

Eff you, NFLPA*.

yep guys, like i said, one player rep said loopholes, to find in cba

need more time, with lame excuses

and now they just said on nfl network lombardi talking-this looks like stall tactics:
you know it looks like players dont want training camp, but really there is no more training camp now, the way the new rules are set up (no 2 adays)

[cowboyjoe]

Fine,,, just shut the NFL down, I don't care anymore and the players obviously don't care what we think.

NCAA Football is where it's at,,,

I am getting real close to that now, if this jerking around by players keeps up, enough is enough

no more :banghead: as far as i am concerned let preseason games get lost, and owners will really get ticked off, and shut it down, and players will lose their big time pay checks, then let them hollar all they want, if players kept us waiting let them wait,and suffer like we have

when they start missing their big pay checks, and suffer, then to bad;

let them suffer, they asked for it, trying to push and use stall tactics to get all they can get

[M'Kevon]

yep guys, like i said, one player rep said loopholes, to find in cba

need more time, with lame excuses

and now they just said on nfl network lombardi talking-this looks like stall tactics:
you know it looks like players dont want training camp, but really there is no more training camp now, the way the new rules are set up (no 2 adays)

Lombardi's an idiot. How is a delay of a week a stall to end training camp?

The players are going to call the owner's Tuesday bluff and vote on Wednesday (my prediction).

[peplaw06]

Rue!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[cowboyjoe]

Lombardi's an idiot. How is a delay of a week a stall to end training camp?

The players are going to call the owner's Tuesday bluff and vote on Wednesday (my prediction).

wrong attitude if you want to call owners bluff;
they have billions can hold out more longer than the players, especially low class middle players

then you will see who has the true power, the owners

players had better wake up and smell the coffee, or their about to lose their cake

but fine players if you want to try to call what you think is a bluff, owners are getting ticked off too as well as the fans

you players think we will come back if no preseason games and 8 games in season, just try it and see what happens

mark my words, baseball really suffered on their strike once
players are really going to suffer if they keep this up, fans have had about enough
:banghead:

[Mr Cowboy]

This is really stupid! They have been negotiating for about two months, agreeing to everything so far. The Lawyers spent last week working late, coming up with the deal on paper, agreeing on language.

And now the NFLPA doesn't know what is in the agreement? Did they not have their reps in the room when the draft was written? So they claim they don't have a copy of the agreement, they don't know what is in the agreement, the owners put in some extras in the agreement. Really? Where the heck were the Union lawyers.

This probably has to do with billable hours for the attorneys.Remember, De Smith gave up his salary as the Union head, but signed on as an attorney for the NFLPA. He is just making up his lost salary.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Who are the cowboys playing this Sunday ?

[Doomsday101]

Lombardi's an idiot. How is a delay of a week a stall to end training camp?

The players are going to call the owner's Tuesday bluff and vote on Wednesday (my prediction).

what bluff? Owners are just waiting for the players so how are they calling the owners bluff

[Doomsday101]

Who are the cowboys playing this Sunday ?

No one but then 4 months of work have to be done regarding contract, FA getting rookie signed and the longer the wait the longer it will be before teams will open training camp.

[landroverking]

If the players are in the dark they need to look to their leadership to explain why.

[BlueStar3398]

The players had a meeting last night. I thought for sure the deal would get done this weekend.

I read somewhere that Smith said he's not making a statement today out of respect for the Kraft family after the loss of Myra Kraft.

I don't understand all of this. The owners say that they negotiated all of this. The NFLPA say there are parts that were not discussed. What's the holdup?

[WoodysGirl]

The players had a meeting last night. I thought for sure the deal would get done this weekend.

I read somewhere that Smith said he's not making a statement today out of respect for the Kraft family after the loss of Myra Kraft.

I don't understand all of this. The owners say that they negotiated all of this. The NFLPA say there are parts that were not discussed. What's the holdup?I think it's about propagating the information to the entire Brady class.

The executive team did the negotating, but now it's about disseminating the info to the player reps and the remaining players.

Did people think they should just sign on the dotted line without reading it or understanding what was in it?

[EGG]

Lombardi's an idiot. How is a delay of a week a stall to end training camp?

The players are going to call the owner's Tuesday bluff and vote on Wednesday (my prediction).

Well if they think like that, then the NFL is obviously dealing with a bunch of little children. This is how I lost my taste for the NBA. The players became less and less likable and the officiating became more and more arbitrary until pretty soon the whole thing wasn't appealing anymore...

[BlueStar3398]

I think it's about propagating the information to the entire Brady class.

The executive team did the negotating, but now it's about disseminating the info to the player reps and the remaining players.

Did people think they should just sign on the dotted line without reading it or understanding what was in it?

Ok thanks.

No. I just was wondering why they are waiting until Monday to have a meeting. I really don't understand all of it.

[WoodysGirl]

Ok thanks.

No. I just was wondering why they are waiting until Monday to have a meeting. I really don't understand all of it.
The NFL and NFLPA put together a feasable settlement agreement. The NFL signed off on it primarily because of how the numbers worked out in their favor, IMO. I don't think they were as concerned about the non-revenue part of the agreement unlike the players.

Based on how things have played out, the NFLPA just began the process of giving out info to the players last night.

That said, I don't mind allowing either side to take the time necessary to understand the details. This agreement is expected to go 10 years. I'd hate to see a bunch of rhetoric 2 years from now about how it was "the worst deal in the history of sports."

[M'Kevon]

what bluff? Owners are just waiting for the players so how are they calling the owners bluff

The owners put out a release that the players had until Tuesday to accept the offer.

[firehawk350]

The owners put out a release that the players had until Tuesday to accept the offer.
Playing a stupid game like holding a vote on Wednesday on a Tuesday deadline is just childish. These players are pissing me off...

[Jed_70]

Fine,,, just shut the NFL down, I don't care anymore and the players obviously don't care what we think.

NCAA Football is where it's at,,,

I won't lie, I will be disappointed if the season is lost but at the end of the day it won't affect me.

I'll just fall back on college football. And if CBS slid some SEC games over to Sunday (doubt it happens) even better.

That said, the players won't allow the entire season to go down the tubes. There are far too many of them that will be hurting for money by November.

They are just posturing to buy a little more free time. Otherwise they'd be fully engaged in the process. Yesterday I thought I heard someone on the radio mention that about half the players left the meetings around noon. Assuming that is true, them leaving early doesn't quite strike me as a group that is fully committed to getting a deal done as soon as possible.

[Jed_70]

The NFL and NFLPA put together a feasable settlement agreement. The NFL signed off on it primarily because of how the numbers worked out in their favor, IMO. I don't think they were as concerned about the non-revenue part of the agreement unlike the players.

Based on how things have played out, the NFLPA just began the process of giving out info to the players last night.

That said, I don't mind allowing either side to take the time necessary to understand the details. This agreement is expected to go 10 years. I'd hate to see a bunch of rhetoric 2 years from now about how it was "the worst deal in the history of sports."

I can understand that. One of my lasting memories from the 2006 negotiations was the beleaguered look on Ralph Wilson's face as he muttered, "I don't understand what I just agreed to."

[viman96]

http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/18256/Report---NFLPA-to-meet-Monday/Default.aspx
NFL Player representatives emailed a letter to players saying, "We will meet again Monday to discuss our options and the direction we want to go," according to Adam Schefter of ESPN.

Thats kinda it fans, looks like shutting down till monday, nothing done yet as i understand it,

ESPN is reporting they will be working through the weekend. Not sure if we will get much for updates but they are still doing something. Just not putting an end to all this garbage.

[BlueStar3398]

ESPN is reporting they will be working through the weekend. Not sure if we will get much for updates but they are still doing something. Just not putting an end to all this garbage.

So they are working through the weekend.

Your avi picture just made me :laugh2:

[Hoofbite]

I think it's about propagating the information to the entire Brady class.

The executive team did the negotating, but now it's about disseminating the info to the player reps and the remaining players.

Did people think they should just sign on the dotted line without reading it or understanding what was in it?

I think most people assumed thats what the weeks and weeks of BS negotiations have been for.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I think most people assumed thats what the weeks and weeks of BS negotiations have been for.

When theres new language in a deal couldnt the NFL and/or their lawyers take advantage of the players in some way? Its not like they havent tried to do that already.

[WoodysGirl]

I think most people assumed thats what the weeks and weeks of BS negotiations have been for.
Those negotations were with each sides executive team and the points of interest were kept in secret until recently.

Maybe it's me, but I would think it takes a little longer to educate 1900 members than it does 32.

[Mr Cowboy]

When theres new language in a deal couldnt the NFL and/or their lawyers take advantage of the players in some way? Its not like they havent tried to do that already.

New language isn't just inserted. Both legal teams worked on the terms and laguage of this agreement. The document is produced by both parties, together.

If the attorneys for the NFLPA weren't part of this, then they shouldn't be paid.

I have been part of negotiations, on both sides, and never have we gotten all the members across the country, a full completed copy of the agreement before proceeding. That's why you have representatives from the different chapters, who get the inofrmation, and then discuss it with the members of his chapters. In this case, the player reps should have been getting regular updates from the negotiating parties, and passing it along to the members.

So this notion that the player reps had no idea of what the agreement was all about it BS or the NFLPA head and the negotiators did a poor job of representing their members.

[arglebargle]

When theres new language in a deal couldnt the NFL and/or their lawyers take advantage of the players in some way? Its not like they havent tried to do that already.

Absolutely! This HAS happened in NFL negotiations before. I recall some crooked language put into a rookie contract after an agreement had been made, done by KC some years ago. There's no way you sign a 10 year contract without going over it extensively to make sure every word is in its exact, specified place.

However, it's a brilliant propaganda move by the owners. They put the ball in the players' court, and any delays become their blame. Given the short memories that abound, it will help to leave the last taint of delay as the players' fault.

Of course it is a lot easier to get 24 (or 31) people to agree to something than it is to get 1800 or so in agreement. Not to mention the possible hand grenades of the plaintiffs in the legal cases. Wouldn't be surprised if the weekend wasn't being worked to apply pressure there as well.

[Hostile]

Rue!!!!!!!!!!!!!11You cannot possibly like and support this.

[WoodysGirl]

You cannot possibly like and support this.
I don't think he does... but it shouldn't stop him from making a joke.

I can't lie. Some of the reactions being posted have been funny. It's kinda like watching a game thread in the middle of the 4th quarter.

Owners approve the deal.

"Yay football is back!"

Players no vote

"Screw it. Cut 'em all!"

[burmafrd]

if the owners tried to slip something in then they are the biggest fools of all time since that would destroy any hope of reaching a deal. These guys are not anywhere near that dumb.

On the other hand I would not put it past a lawyer to do something that would bring him more business....

[sacase]

That said, I don't mind allowing either side to take the time necessary to understand the details. You are going to be waiting a looooooong time if you wait for all of the players to understand what is in the deal.

[WoodysGirl]

You are going to be waiting a looooooong time if you wait for all of the players to understand what is in the deal.
I'm not talking down to the minutiae. The basics should be good enough. And it still takes time to get that info the masses outside of the player reps.

What's the harm in giving them the weekend?

[burmafrd]

IF the rank and file do not understand what has been going on then the Reps have failed in their duty. Its not like the players have had anything else much to do, have they?

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I'm not talking down to the minutiae. The basics should be good enough. And it still takes time to get that info the masses outside of the player reps.

What's the harm in giving them the weekend?


After all this maybe the players only real FU would be to make the TC/FA process as jammed as possible.

[viman96]

So they are working through the weekend.

Your avi picture just made me :laugh2:

It is a subtle reminder for all those that bang on Jerry Jones that it can be worse :D

[Hostile]

I don't think he does... but it shouldn't stop him from making a joke.

I can't lie. Some of the reactions being posted have been funny. It's kinda like watching a game thread in the middle of the 4th quarter.

Owners approve the deal.

"Yay football is back!"

Players no vote

"Screw it. Cut 'em all!"I don't blame anyone for being pissed off.

[BraveHeartFan]

I'm not shocked. I figured this was going to happen.

[Bizwah]

I don't blame anyone for being pissed off.

Exactly....

Fans have been very patient this year. Our offseason has been taken away. We've been told things have been close....then not close....then within a few days....then two weeks away.

Finally, we briefly got a view of the end yesterday. It just stands to reason why we'd be ticked. We see that all the players have to do is vote.

Yes, I know they need to look over the document (although, that's what they've been doing for months). I know a deal WILL be done.

Right now, it seems as if the owners, with a timeline that can preserve the preseason, really care to end this. The players, that have the it'll get done when we darn feel like it attitude, seem to not care when this ends.

So, there's a reason why folks are overreacting a bit....me included. We've just been strung along, only to have the rug pulled out from under us.

[CooterBrown]

Exactly....

Fans have been very patient this year. Our offseason has been taken away. We've been told things have been close....then not close....then within a few days....then two weeks away.

Finally, we briefly got a view of the end yesterday. It just stands to reason why we'd be ticked. We see that all the players have to do is vote.

Yes, I know they need to look over the document (although, that's what they've been doing for months). I know a deal WILL be done.

Right now, it seems as if the owners, with a timeline that can preserve the preseason, really care to end this. The players, that have the it'll get done when we darn feel like it attitude, seem to not care when this ends.

So, there's a reason why folks are overreacting a bit....me included. We've just been strung along, only to have the rug pulled out from under us.

I find it odd that the NFLPA is having a meeting on Monday. Why not on Saturday or Sunday? Weekends mean nothing when you've been off for seven months, it's just another day.

I'm sure the CBA is a large complicated document, but it shouldn't take a week to read it.

I think the players are pouting because there was not a joint press conference.

[DallasEast]

This whole labor dispute has taken its toll on CowboysZone members. Needless to say, we're all in strung out shape, but stay frosty, and alert. We can't afford to let one of those ******** in here.



waitasec. why am i channeling hicks from Aliens?



Nevermind. :(

[tonight___you]

Channeling anything from Aliens is awesome...

Great movie.

[burmafrd]

Channeling anything from Aliens is awesome...

Great movie.

Aliens was a great movie; then they made Aliens 3 and spit all over it. Moronic hollywood at its best.

[Everlastingxxx]

You waited this long, you can wait a little longer. The good thing about it is when it finally hits, there is going to be a ton of excitement and activity in a condensed amount of time. Damn owners lied and gave us false hope. Players brought us the truth that the deal wasn’t finished yet.

[burmafrd]

You waited this long, you can wait a little longer. The good thing about it is when it finally hits, there is going to be a ton of excitement and activity in a condensed amount of time. Damn owners lied and gave us false hope. Players brought us the truth that the deal wasn’t finished yet.

you are the perfect proof of the old proverb:

none so blind they will not see.

[Everlastingxxx]

you are the perfect proof of the old proverb:

none so blind they will not see.

Your proverb makes no sense. If you are blind, of course you can’t see. My eyes work and i can see.

[burmafrd]

Your proverb makes no sense. If you are blind, of course you can’t see. My eyes work and i can see.



The proverb meant that while the truth was obvious one chose not to see it.

[Everlastingxxx]

The proverb meant that while the truth was obvious one chose not to see it.

Just because you say it’s obvious does not mean it is. What you believe and say does not make it a reality no matter how many insults you throw at the end of the sentences.

[SilverStarCowboy]

Lock-em out and bring in the Scabs!

[peplaw06]

You cannot possibly like and support this.Yeah Hos. I like and support as much delay as possible on this issue. :rolleyes:

Jiminy Christmas. Do you have any sense of humor... like at all?

I'm just poking fun at the reactions. What's another couple days, really? The owners have had a lockout in place for four months. Suddenly 3-5 days is the end of the world? Oh we lost the Hall of Fame Game. How will I ever go on?

Oh the first preseason games may be in jeopardy!! What will we do without that meaningless 4th preseason game?!?!?!

[CooterBrown]

Yeah Hos. I like and support as much delay as possible on this issue. :rolleyes:

Jiminy Christmas. Do you have any sense of humor... like at all?

I'm just poking fun at the reactions. What's another couple days, really? The owners have had a lockout in place for four months. Suddenly 3-5 days is the end of the world? Oh we lost the Hall of Fame Game. How will I ever go on?

Oh the first preseason games may be in jeopardy!! What will we do without that meaningless 4th preseason game?!?!?!

You mean the one that most of us only casually glance at anyway? By the time of the 4th preseason game, the roster is pretty set and most of the players who are actually in the game are just playing to audition for practice squad rosters around the league.

[peplaw06]

You mean the one that most of us only casually glance at anyway? By the time of the 4th preseason game, the roster is pretty set and most of the players who are actually in the game are just playing to audition for practice squad rosters around the league.My point exactly.

[burmafrd]

Just because you say it’s obvious does not mean it is. What you believe and say does not make it a reality no matter how many insults you throw at the end of the sentences.

Hey I just have a low tolerance for BS and stupidity. That is why this place is fun for me; I get to poke and prod and enjoy myself at all the BS and stupidity posted here.

[Hostile]

Jl9BpUgYljQ

[Hostile]

Yeah Hos. I like and support as much delay as possible on this issue. :rolleyes:

Jiminy Christmas. Do you have any sense of humor... like at all?

I'm just poking fun at the reactions. What's another couple days, really? The owners have had a lockout in place for four months. Suddenly 3-5 days is the end of the world? Oh we lost the Hall of Fame Game. How will I ever go on?

Oh the first preseason games may be in jeopardy!! What will we do without that meaningless 4th preseason game?!?!?!
I think people have the right to freak out. I'm simply defending them. If you see that as no sense of humor, go ahead.

[tupperware]

It's next week, every week.

[peplaw06]

I think people have the right to freak out. I'm simply defending them. If you see that as no sense of humor, go ahead.Ok, they have the right to freak out. I have the right to poke fun at the freaking out. You have the right to defend them. But if you're going to defend them, then defend them. Don't try to put words in my mouth.

[cowboyeric8]

Jl9BpUgYljQ

Haha that ad was full of it

[jterrell]

Ok, they have the right to freak out. I have the right to poke fun at the freaking out. You have the right to defend them. But if you're going to defend them, then defend them. Don't try to put words in my mouth.

I wonder if NFL owners will give discount tickets to fans who shilled for them throughout?

[Hostile]

I wonder if NFL owners will give discount tickets to fans who shilled for them throughout?I won't ever find out since I shilled for the non elite players. The closest I came to supporting the owners was on forcing them to open their books, which never happened.

[ZeroClub]

I don't think he does... but it shouldn't stop him from making a joke.

I can't lie. Some of the reactions being posted have been funny. It's kinda like watching a game thread in the middle of the 4th quarter.

Owners approve the deal.

"Yay football is back!"

Players no vote

"Screw it. Cut 'em all!"

You are right, of course.

[ChldsPlay]

Haha that ad was full of it

Hehe, sure they want to play, but apparently they don't want to work.

[burmafrd]

I won't ever find out since I shilled for the non elite players. The closest I came to supporting the owners was on forcing them to open their books, which never happened.


I find it VERY interesting since when the talks broke down the Union was making a big stink about not getting to look at the books. And many of their shills here were squawking just as much. BUT NOT ONE WORD ABOUT IT in how long?

[jterrell]

I won't ever find out since I shilled for the non elite players. The closest I came to supporting the owners was on forcing them to open their books, which never happened.

non-elite players made out very well. they got 55k raises to the base, that is more than 10% at the low end. i am with you in being happy for them. getting tackled by a 250 pound guy running a 4.5 40 hurts no matter if you are a star or a practice squadder.

[ZeroClub]

"shills" or "shrills" ?

Taking a side is one thing. Hysterical overreaction is another.

[Hostile]

non-elite players made out very well. they got 55k raises to the base, that is more than 10% at the low end. i am with you in being happy for them. getting tackled by a 250 pound guy running a 4.5 40 hurts no matter if you are a star or a practice squadder.The day the vet minimum got raised like I had been shilling for I said I was completely happy with the deal. That combined with the raise in the salary floor were the things I proposed were needed and hadn't been focused on as they planned for litigation.

The only thing I ever had against the players was litigation. I had the same thing against the owners. I never celebrated when they won their appeal. I knew it meant this would drag on. I wanted a quick deal in March.

At least I never claimed they could reach agreement in one hour. I knew this was a long haul. But it's time to end it. We've been screwed enough.