Redskins sign Bowen **merged**

[JustDezIt]

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Redskins reached agreement with former Cowboys DE Stephen Bowen on a 5-year, $27.5 million deal that includes $12.5 million in guarantees.
1 hour ago

[TheSport78]

Cullen Jenkins here we come.

[JustDezIt]

Cullen Jenkins here we come.

gotta be right?

[Hoofbite]

Wow, that's a decent amount of coin for Bowen.

[Sonny Koufax]

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter Redskins reached agreement with former Cowboys DE Stephen Bowen on a 5-year, $27.5 million deal that includes $12.5 million in guarantees.
:bang2:

[NorthTexan95]

Over 5 mil a year? Redskins really wanted him.

[Primetime42]

Thats ridiculous. Chris Canty the Sequel.

Nice knowing ya, Bow.

[mldardy]

Wow, that's a decent amount of coin for Bowen.
Goodness gracious that is a lot. I am glad he is gone for that amount.

[CATCH17]

Cullen Jenkins here we come.

Wooooooooooo

[TheSport78]

gotta be right?

Jerry will panic and sign the top DE on the market.

[InmanRoshi]

Spears is a happy man.

[StylisticS]

So do we get Jenkins?

[UncFelix28]

yup if we were the other team involved with Cullen Jenkins, I would say he is ours... Who knows though?

[SA_Gunslinger]

it's not that I liked bowen....but he knew the system and was decent. surely we're in for a downgrade now.....?

:starspin

[bbgun]

I know people love to minimize any and all signings by the Skins, but this one hurt. Not like we're losing a Pro Bowler, but he was a good rotation guy that Ryan supposedly loved. Plus, we were already thin on the d-line.

[spook930]

Cullen Jenkins here we come.

I thought the skins grabbed him as well :confused:

[stasheroo]

I think this means that we're signing Jenkins.

And I'll take him for a bit more than what the Skins gave to Bowen.

[ddh33]

There is some silly money this summer. I liked him, but not that much.

[Shinywalrus]

That hurts.

But I can see how Jerry/Stephen concluded that $5+/yr was too much. Sorry to lose him, but good for Bowen.

[MonsterD]

:bang2: awful.

[ajk23az]

traitor.

[reddyuta]

thats a bummer,Ryan really liked Bowen.

[SA_Gunslinger]

Oh, I forgot about Jenkins. Damn, we almost have to, now. Don't we?

:starspin

[Woods]

Definitlely good deal for Bowen. Good for him. Wish we could have kept him, but it was pricey.

[Bowdown27]

That's alot of money for a guy who was basically a back up

[ThreeSportStar80]

Wow, 12 million guaranteed for a guy who didn't start...

[JohnsKey19]

Good signing for a rebuilding team. Maybe a bit high but we'll see. I think the Josh Wilson, Atogwe and Bowen signings have been among the smartest moves made in Free Agency.

[mmohican29]

I know people love to minimize any and all signings by the Skins, but this one hurt. Not like we're losing a Pro Bowler, but he was a good rotation guy that Ryan supposedly loved. Plus, we were already thin on the d-line.

Now the Skins at least have QUALITY depth at DE and we're looking at a very, very thin DL.

WTH is Jerry doing? We haven't added A player that wasn't on this team last year.

[Jed_70]

I didn't expect Bowen to garner that type of money?

It is the Skins so I have to assume they overpaid. Time will tell.

[montgod]

I thought the skins grabbed him (Jenkins) as well :confused:

This is what I thought as well for a one year deal. Did something change?

[Dallas]

Good for Bowen. That is a lot of cash for him to be honest. I get why he signed.

All I want is Jenkins.

[big dog cowboy]

What in the blue hell??????

[Ken]

This is a non issue if we get Jenkins for comparable money. Jenkins is twice the player...Bowen was a good situational player but has a lot to prove as an everydown guy.

[Primetime42]

I know people love to minimize any and all signings by the Skins, but this one hurt. Not like we're losing a Pro Bowler, but he was a good rotation guy that Ryan supposedly loved. Plus, we were already thin on the d-line.
Not for that amount.

No way.

I wish him well, but like I said, Chris Canty all over again.

[Everlastingxxx]

They say Jerry always gets his man, so i suppose they didn’t want him.

I thought he was a productive pass rusher but not so much in the running game. We are depleted on the d-lilne. Got no help from the draft. Will need to pick someone up in free agency. A little worried about our o-line and d-line.

[johnnyd]

Seems like a fair deal a young guy with upside and they didnt bank the bank. hopefully he doesnt work out for them but hard to knock

[Duane]

Congrats to Bowen for working hard and making some money for himself. Too bad we couldn't afford to bring him back.

[UncFelix28]

yeah Redskins already signed Stallworth-Josh Wilson-Santana Moss-Bowen-Colfield-Clemens & traded for Gaffney... I think they are likely done, dunno their cap situation though

[AsthmaField]

we will use that money to sign Carlos Rogers. :D

[SkinsFan82]

I thought they had been pretty good about contracts so far this offseason, but that one seems a little on the high side. I'm glad to have him but that's a bit much for someone with his production.

[Cowboys22]

You can't pay Bowen more that you paid Ratliff. He is not worth that contract. For a little more you can have Jenkins.

[WittenFan]

it's not that I liked bowen....but he knew the system and was decent. surely we're in for a downgrade now.....?

:starspin

Do any of the guys know the system? New D-Cord, new system. Yes, still a 3-4 but new coverage schemes, new blitz packages, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I liked Bowen and wish we could have kept him (not for as big of a contract as he got) but I don't think bringing in someone else hurts us that much as far as new guys not knowing the system.

[SkinsFan82]

yeah Redskins already signed Stallworth-Josh Wilson-Santana Moss-Bowen-Colfield-Clemens & traded for Gaffney... I think they are likely done, dunno their cap situation though

We were way under prior to FA starting and made quite a bit of room moving McNabb and Haynesworth alone, plus they cut some other older vets with high salary cap #s.

[DawnOfANewD]

Oh, I forgot about Jenkins. Damn, we almost have to, now. Don't we?

:starspin

A 30-year old who has only been completely healthy 1 season out of the last 3. How long and big of a contract do you really want to give this guy? Seems like he has all the leverage now.

[TheCount]

Well this sucks because I really do think Bowen is a player, I wanted to keep him over Spears even for equal money.

[BlueStar22]

not my money we'd be spending. as long as we could work it out cap-wise, match it.

[Shinywalrus]

Problem is that it sort of sets the market for Jenkins.

Does he go for less than, say, 4 years/$28mm? Pretty pricey. I just hope we're not cornering ourselves into a Kenyon Coleman scenario...

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Do these teams have no pride? We dont pillage from the Redskins, Giants, or Eagles

[Yeagermeister]

it's not that I liked bowen....but he knew the system and was decent. surely we're in for a downgrade now.....?

:starspin

He doesn't know the new system. Ryan hasn't been able to put it in yet.

[Gaede]

Does he go for less than, say, 4 years/$28mm? Pretty pricey. I just hope we're not cornering ourselves into a Kenyon Coleman scenario...

Hope not.

Better sweep up Spears before we're left w/ nothing in the cupboard

[Shinywalrus]

Do these teams have no pride? We dont pillage from the Redskins, Giants, or Eagles

Seriously?

[Oh_Canada]

What's sad is that Bowen is gone and the dancing fool remains on the roster.

[InmanRoshi]

Bowen might be a quality player, but I'd rather not pay huge money for mediocrity. That goes for Spears as well. Either pay a little more for a top guy like Jenkins, or go the quantity route and sign a bunch of low risk 1 year contracts and see who seperates themselves. But don't pay a 3 star player like a 5 star player.

[UncFelix28]

yeah glad we didn't throw Bowen that kind of money, b/c if he really wanted to I am sure he could have... we are learning a little, good job Jerry

[Shinywalrus]

Hope not.

Better sweep up Spears before we're left w/ nothing in the cupboard

Do we start trotting out the Aubrayo Franklin-to-NT-and-Jay-Ratliff-to-End meme now? :)

[AsthmaField]

Bowen's might be a quality player, but I'd rather not pay huge money for mediocrity. That goes for Spears as well. Either pay a little more for a top guy like Jenkins, or go the quantity route and sign a bunch of low risk 1 year contracts and see who seperates themselves.


I'm with you on that.

[bbgun]

Not for that amount.

No way.

I wish him well, but like I said, Chris Canty all over again.

I agree that the money was too much and they were sensible to let him go, but his absence undeniably hurts. Let's see what Plan B is.

[DCBoysfan]

I know people love to minimize any and all signings by the Skins, but this one hurt. Not like we're losing a Pro Bowler, but he was a good rotation guy that Ryan supposedly loved. Plus, we were already thin on the d-line.

I agree I wanted Bowen back also, but that is a pretty rich contract for him.

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Thats ridiculous. Chris Canty the Sequel.

Nice knowing ya, Bow.

I agree. That's alot to pay for a situational pass rusher. You can't pay backups - even solid ones - starters' money. Wow!

[reddyuta]

I really hope we are not stuck with Coleman as the only option.

[CrazyCowboy]

Do these teams have no pride? We dont pillage from the Redskins, Giants, or Eagles

:) good one

[perrykemp]

Good for Bowen. That is a lot of cash for him to be honest. I get why he signed.

All I want is Jenkins.

Do you think we'll get more than the 9 games per season Cullen Jenkins has been averaging with GB the last three years?

Maybe now that he is 30 he'll get more durable....:D

[Wulfman]

To my knowledge, Skins have signed Cofield and now Bowen. No word on any signing for Jenkins, just that they were pursuing him. My guess is that the money in a bidding war with Dallas got to the point that they decided to take Bowen and let Dallas have Jenkins for slightly more money. We'll see.

As for Bowen, good for him. I would have liked to see him stay, but that's too much for what he's shown on the field, IMHO. Give me Jenkins and then a lower cost veteran DE like Coleman or Smith formerly of the Browns. Neither of them really excites me, but playing in a rotation and knowing Ryan's scheme would likely be enough to get the job done. Would still mean Lissemore or one of the other young guys is going to have to step up, but it's time for that to happen.

Another interesting possibility is that they could look to sign Jenkins and re-sign Spears. I haven't heard what Spears is looking for at all, but if you go that route, you can bump Igor off the starting line-up and bring him in as a rotation guy. If something does happen to Jenkins injury-wise, you've got someone to plug in for the short-term. It would also lock up the starters for a few years to yet a younger guy develop, and allow you to either cut or let Igor walk next year.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Wonder if plan B is Jenkins.
Or maybe Spears and Hatcher
Or the guys from Cleveland.

On a side note...I liked Bowen but I hope he turns into a blocker magnet now.:D

[ZeroClub]

Problem is that it sort of sets the market for Jenkins.

Does he go for less than, say, 4 years/$28mm? Pretty pricey. I just hope we're not cornering ourselves into a Kenyon Coleman scenario...

I was thinking the same thing.

I gotta believe that Bowen's contract is backloaded .... but then it was the Redskins, so who knows?

I'm sorry to see Bowen go. I've always liked him as a player and it would have been nice to see him develop more.

[TD-33]

DL was a weakness going into the draft and losing Bowen (even if the forskins may have overpaid) still hurts Dallas.

[Gaede]

Yeah, I'm not sure why Jenkins is our knight in shining armour here. He hasn't exactly been reliable over the course of his career

[AbeBeta]

Ugg, that was a top priority

[EGG]

yeah glad we didn't throw Bowen that kind of money, b/c if he really wanted to I am sure he could have... we are learning a little, good job Jerry

I will withhold judgment on Jerry "learning" anything until after I see who he signs to replace Bowen and for how much...

[NeonDeion21]

Now the Skins at least have QUALITY depth at DE and we're looking at a very, very thin DL.

WTH is Jerry doing? We haven't added A player that wasn't on this team last year.

I dont get some of you guys. You want Jerry to be a better GM so what does he do? He signs by far the most important player to us in Doug Free back. He signs another one of our own back in Kyle Kosier for a solid deal. Now you want him to go over pay for someone just because we haven't signed 7 players in the last two days like Washington? Some of you just have no idea how to build a solid franchise.

Go ahead little Dannys of the world, throw your money away at players who are over valued. Teams win because of solid drafts and sly free agent moves. Not winning the offseason super bowl.

[TheCount]

Another interesting possibility is that they could look to sign Jenkins and re-sign Spears. I haven't heard what Spears is looking for at all, but if you go that route, you can bump Igor off the starting line-up and bring him in as a rotation guy. It would also lock up the starters for a few years to yet a younger guy develop, and allow you to either cut or let Igor walk next year.

I don't think benching Igor is remotely in the cards at this point. The idea of bringing back Igor and Spears as our starting DE's is a little disappointing.

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Yeah, I'm not sure why Jenkins is our knight in shining armour here. He hasn't exactly been reliable over the course of his career

Spears as starter.
Jenkins as backup.

Now that would be sweet!

[SilverStarCowboy]

Ouch OL and now DL....rebuilding year.


:banghead: ....wait I need to stand up to do this...:bang2:

[HanD]

top priority at this point, After free and kosier....

[RastaRocket]

ClaytonESPN John Clayton
The Stephen Bowen signing in Washington could be good new for the Packers keeping Cullen Jenkins, who remains unsigned

[UncFelix28]

yeah it'll be down to the Packers & Cowboys I guess... I just want any kind of news on a signing. So uncomforting seeing all these players traded and signed and we haven't made 1 significant add to the team. If news doesn't come out that we have signed a player today then we are definitely in the Asomugha sweepstakes in my opinion

[JustDezIt]

Yeah, I'm not sure why Jenkins is our knight in shining armour here. He hasn't exactly been reliable over the course of his career

ClaytonESPN John Clayton
The Stephen Bowen signing in Washington could be good new for the Packers keeping Cullen Jenkins, who remains unsigned
1 hour ago

[CATCH17]

Yeah, I'm not sure why Jenkins is our knight in shining armour here. He hasn't exactly been reliable over the course of his career

Because he's incredible.

[Wulfman]

I don't think benching Igor is remotely in the cards at this point. The idea of bringing back Igor and Spears as our starting DE's is a little disappointing.

My suggestion wasn't to bring Igor and Spears back as the starters. Garrett has been harping about getting better at every position, and I don't think he meant standing pat on the front line. The idea only works if Jenkins and Spears were both brought in. It's a long shot, but I haven't heard Ryan raving about Igor's play the way he did about some others, so don't really know what he thinks of him...just what we think. ;)

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I think Igor is in the "We'll see" camp until we see what unfolds. But he absolutely fits into the dead weight camp thats been cut lately. He signed a 4/$18M deal and hes awful.

[ThreeSportStar80]

What's sad is that Bowen is gone and the dancing fool remains on the roster.


Ain't that the truth!!! Igor is horrible.

:bang2:

[realtick]

I know people love to minimize any and all signings by the Skins, but this one hurt. Not like we're losing a Pro Bowler, but he was a good rotation guy that Ryan supposedly loved. Plus, we were already thin on the d-line.

This.

[Wulfman]

I think Igor is in the "We'll see" camp until we see what unfolds. But he absolutely fits into the dead weight camp thats been cut lately. He signed a 4/$18M deal and hes awful.

Aye. If they can bring two guys who have starting ability, it's basically a message to Igor that says, "You'd better pick it up a notch and show us why we shouldn't keep a younger guy who makes a lot less, or you're going to be looking for a job." If that doesn't motivate him, he can join Wade in Houston.

[TheCount]

My suggestion wasn't to bring Igor and Spears back as the starters. Garrett has been harping about getting better at every position, and I don't think he meant standing pat on the front line. The idea only works if Jenkins and Spears were both brought in. It's a long shot, but I haven't heard Ryan raving about Igor's play the way he did about some others, so don't really know what he thinks of him...just what we think. ;)

Yeah I know what you meant, my post was two different thoughts, as I have no idea what will happen with Jenkins.

[Cowboys22]

He will not leave Green Bay if they want him back. They can pay him as much as Dallas can.

[phildadon86]

This is a good move for Bowen, i can see why he signed, problem is we are very thin in depth. We better start signing some players, because this isnt looking good. :bang2:

But i do have faith that our boyz will bring in some new faces. If we dont go after jenkins however, Im saying we are in the ASO sweepstakes. Just my opinion

[mmohican29]

I dont get some of you guys. You want Jerry to be a better GM so what does he do? He signs by far the most important player to us in Doug Free back. He signs another one of our own back in Kyle Kosier for a solid deal. Now you want him to go over pay for someone just because we haven't signed 7 players in the last two days like Washington? Some of you just have no idea how to build a solid franchise.

Go ahead little Dannys of the world, throw your money away at players who are over valued. Teams win because of solid drafts and sly free agent moves. Not winning the offseason super bowl.


I rest my case.

[treykin32]

That's alot of money for a guy who was basically a back up


:signmast:

[Wulfman]

He will not leave Green Bay if they want him back. They can pay him as much as Dallas can.

I'm not so sure about this. There were several reports during the lockout that Jenkins felt disrespected because the rumors from the front office were that they weren't going to pursue keeping him and thought his back-ups could do just as well. Now whether that's what they were actually thinking, or whether they could overcome any lingering negativity is a whole different kettle of fish. But just because they may now determine they want him after all doesn't mean he will decide to stay.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Compensatory picks *****es!

[ABQCOWBOY]

Alan Branch is a young player that is an FA I believe. He could be very interesting. I watched him at Michigan and the boy could play. I haven't watched him much in Az but he's a guy that might fit well.

[RastaRocket]

Incarceratedbob
**UPDATED NFL NEWS**Source: Looks like the Cowboys are now in lead for Jenkins with the Packers still in it & now Browns have inquired

[hornitosmonster]

I guess good for him but the Redskins continue to make dead scratchers year after year.

[NeonDeion21]

I rest my case.

So using your logic we should go overpay for someone just to get someone to please you?

[makumiku]

What makes everyone think he was signed for a lot of money? It's 12.5 million guaranteed and the total is for 27.5 million over 5 years.

The devil is in the details. I wonder how much he'll actually be making other than the 12.5 guaranteed.

Maybe a lot of the rest is based on incentives etc. etc..

[Vinnie2u]

Jerry is learning not to overpay for his own players.. I Don't blame Bowen for taking the money and running..

[perrykemp]

He will not leave Green Bay if they want him back. They can pay him as much as Dallas can.

Ted Thompson has no interest in keeping him. Didn't even broach the subject with his agent in the off-season. That tells you how much Green Bay wants him.

Makes you wonder doesn't it?

[stasheroo]

What makes everyone think he was signed for a lot of money? It's 12.5 million guaranteed and the total is for 27.5 million over 5 years.

The devil is in the details. I wonder how much he'll actually be making other than the 12.5 guaranteed.

Maybe a lot of the rest is based on incentives etc. etc..

That $12.5 million essentially guarantees him two years salary minimum, likely three years.

5.5 million a year for a guy who's never started is a lot of coin.

[trueblue1687]

Wow! That's a chunk of change for a JAG.

[Yeagermeister]

Does this make Bowen the new blocker magnet? :D

[Nirvana]

Makes me wonder if Rob Ryan should have played his cards a little closer to the vest on his high praise for Bowen. I know personally my stock in Bowen went way up on hearing that. Redskins had their ear to the wall on that comment I bet. I forget how that info got leaked out, Rob didn't blurt that out to the media as far as I know, so may not be his fault at all.

I don't know if he was worth 5.5 a year. I know when I heard Canty was signed for that kind of money, I didn't get upset at all as that's too much for Chris. But with Bowen I was really picturing him being a force this season so I'm pissed.

[ThreeSportStar80]

Incarceratedbob
**UPDATED NFL NEWS**Source: Looks like the Cowboys are now in lead for Jenkins with the Packers still in it & now Browns have inquired

Link it, or it's bull****...

[bbgun]

Jerry is learning not to overpay for his own players.. I Don't blame Bowen for taking the money and running..

Yep, Jerry did the right thing, and so did Bowens. That's that.

[stasheroo]

Ted Thompson has no interest in keeping him. Didn't even broach the subject with his agent in the off-season. That tells you how much Green Bay wants him.

Makes you wonder doesn't it?


Green Bay has lots of money to be spent elsewhere and they have drafted at the D-line as well.

I don't see not being able to keep Jenkins as a condemnation of the player.

[StanleySpadowski]

devastating, just devastating...this is as bad as losing Brandon Noble to them years ago...they're both blocker magnets.

[RastaRocket]

Link it, or it's bull****...

twitter...

[StanleySpadowski]

Does this make Bowen the new blocker magnet? :D

dammit...you beat me to it

[Ren]

That's alot of money for a guy who was basically a back up

He wouldn't have been had we resigned him, out of the DEs we lost Bowen was the guy we seemed to want back the most.

Spears might have a shot at coming back now

[starsfreak31]

Incarceratedbob
**UPDATED NFL NEWS**Source: Looks like the Cowboys are now in lead for Jenkins with the Packers still in it & now Browns have inquired
It's a real twitter source, but I will never trust him after he botched up the Cliff Lee negotiations.

[SkinsFan82]

It's a real twitter source, but I will never trust him after he botched up the Lee prediction.

Yeah, I wouldn't put much stock in him. The guy just throws out 'news' nonstop and every now and then something sticks. More often than not he's wrong.

[Dale]

Bowen is a nice up and coming player, but that contract would have been impossible to justify matching.

[iceberg]

Wow, that's a decent amount of coin for Bowen.

i liked bowen, but not that much.

[Sam I Am]

Wow, that's a decent amount of coin for Bowen.

Yeah, especially considering he has trouble stopping the run.

[Nirvana]

It's a real twitter source, but I will never trust him after he botched up the Cliff Lee negotiations.

Agree he's whiffed on other leaks as well.

[RastaRocket]

Yeah, I wouldn't put much stock in him. The guy just throws out 'news' nonstop and every now and then something sticks. More often than not he's wrong.

Ya what I've been hearing. But I've been testing him for a day so far he's been accurate with this free agent frenzy.

[hornitosmonster]

He wouldn't have been had we resigned him, out of the DEs we lost Bowen was the guy we seemed to want back the most.

Spears might have a shot at coming back now

I think Spears can be a stud in Ryan's defense. Just saying his upside is higher than Bowens.

[Yeagermeister]

dammit...you beat me to it

:muttley:

[TheFinisher]

****, that's a big blow to the defense. Bowen was one of the few players on the team that could get after the QB.

Anytime you're ready to open up the checkbook Jerry.......

:bang2:

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Ya what I've been hearing. But I've been testing him for a day so far he's been accurate with this free agent frenzy.


He is a complete joke. Hes practically winking.

[Nirvana]

I think Spears can be a stud in Ryan's defense. Just saying his upside is higher than Bowens.

I think they have to re-sign Spears at this point. But the scary thing is that you know his agent is demanding Bowen money right now. I tell the agent good luck with that and come back when he strikes out with all the other teams in the league on that deal.

[iceberg]

Jerry will panic and sign the top DE on the market.

some fans will quote what they always quote and bash jones despite the evidence around them.

[TheSport78]

some fans will quote what they always quote and bash jones despite the evidence around them.

Nope. Just my opinion.

[iceberg]

I know people love to minimize any and all signings by the Skins, but this one hurt. Not like we're losing a Pro Bowler, but he was a good rotation guy that Ryan supposedly loved. Plus, we were already thin on the d-line.

maybe. but he's getting starter money now so his rotation spot is now open. i'd not wanna pay starter coin for a rotation player.

[TheFinisher]

I think Spears can be a stud in Ryan's defense. Just saying his upside is higher than Bowens.

Spears has zero pass rushing moves, Bowen has one of the best bullrushes in the league. Spears is JAG and basically all he's ever gonna be at this point, Bowen has always made the most of his opportunities and was about to get his chance to start this year.

[The30YardSlant]

Why are people freaking out? Bowen was hardly a Pro-Bowl talent and we'll be trading up if we sign Cullen Jenkins.

[Sam I Am]

I think Spears can be a stud in Ryan's defense. Just saying his upside is higher than Bowens.

Spears is a better player than Bowen. Bowen had more pass rush, but if I had a choice of a better DE pass rush and weak against the run, or a big time DE run stuffer that doesn't produce much pass rush. I have to take the run stuffer because it's the 3-4 DE position. I would rather depend on my OLB for pass rush and have a brick wall manning the middle.

The problem? Spears will probably demand more money than Bowen. I guess rightfully so.

[mldardy]

****, that's a big blow to the defense. Bowen was one of the few players on the team that could get after the QB.

Anytime you're ready to open up the checkbook Jerry.......

:bang2:
Good Lord stop. A big blow to the defense.:laugh2:

[iceberg]

Nope. Just my opinion.

as was mine.

and i stand by what i said. it's very clear garrett is driving yet the 1st op you get a bash jones shot opportunity, there it flies as if you're looking for those ops and make them up when not there. it's just painfully clear to me no matter what should ever happen between today and the real myan calandar world ending thing, people like you will take any chance you can to bash jones.

it's like a pavlovs dogs thing.

[Corleone]

JasonLaCanfora Jason La Canfora
Still hearing Dallas and New Orleans in the mix for Cullen Jenkins. Overall market for DTs been soft to form.

Heres another twitter source on the matter. Hope its legit interest and not Eric Weddle interest ;)

[speedkilz88]

Yeah, I'm not sure why Jenkins is our knight in shining armour here. He hasn't exactly been reliable over the course of his career
Have you seen him play? Jenkins automatically gives the Cowboys a push up the middle that they have never had before. That gives Ware and Spencer a more direct route to the qb.

[AsthmaField]

Have you seen him play? Jenkins automatically gives the Cowboys a push up the middle that they have never had before. That gives Ware and Spencer a more direct route to the qb.

I put this in the other thread too:


Article from SI on jenkins worth.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/kerry_byrne/07/28/cullen-jenkins-free-agent/index.html?sct=nfl_t12_a1

[DawnOfANewD]

Have you seen him play? Jenkins automatically gives the Cowboys a push up the middle that they have never had before. That gives Ware and Spencer a more direct route to the qb.

He's also 30+ and has stayed completely healthy only one season out of the past 3. You want to gamble big bucks on this guy?

[STSINAZ]

Have you seen him play? Jenkins automatically gives the Cowboys a push up the middle that they have never had before. That gives Ware and Spencer a more direct route to the qb.

LOOKIT PEOPLE....bowen is not worth 5 mill...if he plays everydown he is going to get tired and that passrushing skill he has will be dimished,,,he is a situational player...3rd down rotation guy...this is danny overpaying again! skins are doing great IMO....

Bowen - overpaid for a situational guy

they have no qb and didnt try and get one

stallworth? are you serious? he is average like bowen

clemons?

gaffney?

stokely?

wilson?

ARE YOU SERIOUS? WHAT A JOKE

[mmohican29]

He's also 30+ and has stayed completely healthy only one season out of the past 3. You want to gamble big bucks on this guy?

Maybe, because we currently have NO DE's of any salt at all on this team under contract. That's ZERO.

[TheSport78]

as was mine.

and i stand by what i said. it's very clear garrett is driving yet the 1st op you get a bash jones shot opportunity, there it flies as if you're looking for those ops and make them up when not there. it's just painfully clear to me no matter what should ever happen between today and the real myan calandar world ending thing, people like you will take any chance you can to bash jones.

it's like a pavlovs dogs thing.

:laugh2: "People like you"...you're so good.

[Everlastingxxx]

as was mine.

and i stand by what i said. it's very clear garrett is driving yet the 1st op you get a bash jones shot opportunity, there it flies as if you're looking for those ops and make them up when not there. it's just painfully clear to me no matter what should ever happen between today and the real myan calandar world ending thing, people like you will take any chance you can to bash jones.

it's like a pavlovs dogs thing.

Why are you picking on TheSport78? Jerry Jones let a good player get away. They are upset about it.

BTW, i have loved Twitter this past week. So much cool information being passed around.

[HoosierCowboy]

overpaid, good for him--not sure our coaches wanted to keep him--I'm more than happy to let them get their guys and not Phillip's hand-me-downs

[STSINAZ]

He's also 30+ and has stayed completely healthy only one season out of the past 3. You want to gamble big bucks on this guy?

i dont care if he plays 11 games next year as long as he has 7 or 8 sacks and we win 8 of them...and he is there for the playoffs! he will still be more productive in the 11 games than anyone on the d line except for rat!

[AsthmaField]

LOOKIT PEOPLE....bowen is not worth 5 mill...if he plays everydown he is going to get tired and that passrushing skill he has will be dimished,,,he is a situational player...3rd down rotation guy...this is danny overpaying again! skins are doing great IMO....

Bowen - overpaid for a situational guy

they have no qb and didnt try and get one

stallworth? are you serious? he is average like bowen

clemons?

gaffney?

stokely?

wilson?

ARE YOU SERIOUS? WHAT A JOKE

Bowen never was very solid in the run game. He's a situational pass rusher IMO, with some upside.

[jobberone]

I know people love to minimize any and all signings by the Skins, but this one hurt. Not like we're losing a Pro Bowler, but he was a good rotation guy that Ryan supposedly loved. Plus, we were already thin on the d-line.

Agreed. I would've liked Bowen to stay. I thought he may do well on the open market.

[FLcowboy]

it's not that I liked bowen....but he knew the system and was decent. surely we're in for a downgrade now.....?

:starspin

But the system is changing. Somebody knew that he wasn't 5 mil per season entering a new season.

[stasheroo]

I think this definitely means we're signing at least one of Kenon Coleman or Robaire Smith.

And if we can get them cheap - which is likely, maybe we spend the extra coin for what would be an upgrade in Cullen Jenkins?

Anyone know the cap hit for cutting/trading Olshansky?

Because I think if they sign both Browns DE's and Jenkins, Olshansky may get shipped out in the process.

[Sam I Am]

I know people love to minimize any and all signings by the Skins, but this one hurt. Not like we're losing a Pro Bowler, but he was a good rotation guy that Ryan supposedly loved. Plus, we were already thin on the d-line.

It only hurts if you can't replace him. If some how the Cowboys sign Jenkins, (and he can stay healthy) we didn't get hurt one bit. We upgraded.

If we pick Coleman up again, we probably we probably stayed at status quo. (maybe a slight edge to run defense)

[SkinsHokieFan]

It only hurts if you can't replace him. If some how the Cowboys sign Jenkins, (and he can stay healthy) we didn't get hurt one bit. We upgraded.

If we pick Coleman up again, we probably we probably stayed at status quo. (maybe a slight edge to run defense)

I was really worried we were going to break the bank on Jenkins. 30 year old with injury history just off a Superbowl win. Typical Snyderatto signing.

Bowen was the backup plan. With the cap space we got, 12.5 million is the right contract for a 27 year old. Would have hated to pay 18 million for a 30 year old Jenkins

[iceberg]

Why are you picking on TheSport78? Jerry Jones let a good player get away. They are upset about it.

BTW, i have loved Twitter this past week. So much cool information being passed around.

he can't sign everyone and he has to balance a lot of things we as fans simply don't understand. so the blind bashing of jones to me has a long history of being old and out of place.

it's my own pavlovs dogs response, sorry.

and great. i never said twitter was without merit - only i don't want to see it so i avoid twitter, but that doesn't do any good.

[Shinywalrus]

Why are people freaking out? Bowen was hardly a Pro-Bowl talent and we'll be trading up if we sign Cullen Jenkins.

What a weird straw man. This has been a really reserved, "Aw, shucks, we wanted him but that seems pretty expensive! Best of luck!" thread.

Did you even read the thread before posting?

[bbailey423]

don't know if this has been mentioned....but the old regime noticed what we had in Ratliff and got him locked BEFORE they had to. Why did the Wade regime not notice Bowen and do something sooner when Dallas had the leverage?

[AsthmaField]

I was really worried we were going to break the bank on Jenkins. 30 year old with injury history just off a Superbowl win. Typical Snyderatto signing.

Bowen was the backup plan. With the cap space we got, 12.5 million is the right contract for a 27 year old. Would have hated to pay 18 million for a 30 year old Jenkins


In the skins current condition, I think going with the younger guy was the right choice too.

Jenkins would have hurt your chances at getting Andrew Luck.

[Dallas]

I was really worried we were going to break the bank on Jenkins. 30 year old with injury history just off a Superbowl win. Typical Snyderatto signing.

Bowen was the backup plan. With the cap space we got, 12.5 million is the right contract for a 27 year old. Would have hated to pay 18 million for a 30 year old Jenkins


I'd give a bit more for Jenkins. I'm not turned off by his age at all. He was a huge force for GB last year and is twice the rusher Bowen is. ;)

I guess you need to talk yourself into feeling better about the Bowen deal. It's all good.


Bowen was never a started
Bowen is poop against the run
Nice bullrush though - thats worth 12.5 guaranteed by the skins take

[Sam I Am]

I was really worried we were going to break the bank on Jenkins. 30 year old with injury history just off a Superbowl win. Typical Snyderatto signing.

Bowen was the backup plan. With the cap space we got, 12.5 million is the right contract for a 27 year old. Would have hated to pay 18 million for a 30 year old Jenkins

Yeah, I'm not hip to paying a ton for him either. If he could stay healthy year in and year out, he would definitely be worth the money though.

[TheSport78]

he can't sign everyone and he has to balance a lot of things we as fans simply don't understand. so the blind bashing of jones to me has a long history of being old and out of place.

it's my own pavlovs dogs response, sorry.

and great. i never said twitter was without merit - only i don't want to see it so i avoid twitter, but that doesn't do any good.

I don't see how saying Jerry would panic and sign the top DE available is "bashing."

[SkinsFan82]

I'd give a bit more for Jenkins. I'm not turned off by his age at all. He was a huge force for GB last year and is twice the rusher Bowen is. ;)

I guess you need to talk yourself into feeling better about the Bowen deal. It's all good.
Bowen was never a started
Bowen is poop against the run
Nice bullrush though - thats worth 12.5 guaranteed by the skins take

I don't know the team anything like you guys, but a lot of the Dallas beat reporters are saying it's a pretty serious loss, that he was set to be a starter this year.

I'm not saying the Redskins contract was justified, but he'll be a noticeable loss from what I can tell.

[Sam I Am]

I'd give a bit more for Jenkins. I'm not turned off by his age at all. He was a huge force for GB last year and is twice the rusher Bowen is. ;)

I guess you need to talk yourself into feeling better about the Bowen deal. It's all good.


Bowen was never a started
Bowen is poop against the run
Nice bullrush though - thats worth 12.5 guaranteed by the skins take

His age isn't an issue. You just limit him to a max contract of four years. What mostly concerns me is his injury history of late. Only two of the last five years has he played all 16 games.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Did you even read the thread before posting?


Most people dont

[Sam I Am]

I don't know the team anything like you guys, but a lot of the Dallas beat reporters are saying it's a pretty serious loss, that he was set to be a starter this year.


They (Dallas media) cry wolf on everything. Whatever gets the fans up in arms and reading / watching their sports page / broadcast.

Set to be a starter? Not if the Cowboys also resigned Marcus Spears which they are trying to do.

[SkinsHokieFan]

In the skins current condition, I think going with the younger guy was the right choice too.

Jenkins would have hurt your chances at getting Andrew Luck.

One more factoid for the rest of the day. I also think we have taken ourselves out of the Luck sweepstakes, but still have a poor roster. Might be in the Landry Jones sweepstakes now

RickMaese (http://twitter.com/#!/RickMaese)Rick Maese



Redskins appear to be more than $30 million below salary cap http://t.co/jyBDIWk (http://t.co/jyBDIWk)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-have-plenty-of-cap-space-after-trading-albert-haynesworth-cutting-veterans/2011/07/28/gIQA5NpJfI_blog.html

[EGG]

I don't know the team anything like you guys, but a lot of the Dallas beat reporters are saying it's a pretty serious loss, that he was set to be a starter this year.

I'm not saying the Redskins contract was justified, but he'll be a noticeable loss from what I can tell.

A noticeable loss in that the team now needs to sign a serviceable rotation DE (which is all that Bowen was)? Sure,,,

this is an opportunity for Jerry to seek an upgrade replacement, which would make me happy,,, we will see.

[SkinsFan82]

Probably not the right thread to throw this, but Redskins are 30+ million under the cap. Guess that's why they had cash to throw at Bowen.

http://t.co/jyBDIWk

Edit: Hokie beat me to it. :)

[Dallas]

A noticeable loss in that the team now needs to sign a serviceable rotation DE (which is all that Bowen was)? Sure,,,

One would think that at some point last year he would have pushed Igor out of the mix completely. At least in those last 8 games. Probably because he was so bad at run support.

Nope. He was still the same guy. Very nice rotation piece.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Probably not the right thread to throw this, but Redskins are 30+ million under the cap. Guess that's why they had cash to throw at Bowen.

http://t.co/jyBDIWk

Edit: Hokie beat me to it. :)


So they can sign 30 more vet-minimum QB's?

[AsthmaField]

RickMaese (http://twitter.com/#%21/RickMaese)Rick Maese



Redskins appear to be more than $30 million below salary cap http://t.co/jyBDIWk (http://t.co/jyBDIWk)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-have-plenty-of-cap-space-after-trading-albert-haynesworth-cutting-veterans/2011/07/28/gIQA5NpJfI_blog.html


That's what happens when you have a roster like the skins did last year.

[SkinsFan82]

So they can sign 30 more vet-minimum QB's?

http://jeffpicard.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/rim-shot-johnny-utah.jpg

lol...guess they earned it though.

They still need another corner and a couple more offensive linemen at the very least.

[TheFinisher]

That's what happens when you have a roster like the skins did last year.

They had the same record as us bruh.

Skins have made some nice moves this week, basically rebuilt their defense in one offseason. if they actually had a QB I'd say they could compete for the division.

[iceberg]

I don't see how saying Jerry would panic and sign the top DE available is "bashing."

because "panic" would go against every "calculated" move i've seen "the team" make since all this started.

and it also seems garrett is calling a lot of the shots, so why not have garrett panic and sign someone? i also think it was "patience" that let bowen go, not a "panic" to resign him and match offers just to keep things the same OF WHICH they already are not.

[SkinsHokieFan]

That's what happens when you have a roster like the skins did last year.

The purge this morning + Haynesworth and McNabb gone + no stars at skill positions on either side = young and cheap roster with room to add Cofield, Bowen and Wilson

Hoping o-line additions such as Ryan Harris are next

[Mash]

Thats alot of coin for Bowens.....even if we had the cap space...would anyone of you sign him to this deal?

But this is a loss ....2 players on the DL that I liked are gone....Dixon last year...and it looks like he will get some playing time with the Jets and now Bowens

This is what happens when you set a cap floor....teams are now forced to spend money and you can see now that some average players are making big bucks.

you will see this more and more.....developing players...getting big contracts.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

lol...guess they earned it though.

They still need another corner and a couple more offensive linemen at the very least.


In all seriousness I wouldn't worry so much if I were you. They just need to keep on this track. Suck real bad this year and invest in a young QB. Then the next few years find him a stud WR

[Dale]

Mash, you're absolutely right. Skins get a nice player in Bowen, but probably a guy they'll be grinding their teeth over not living up to the contract.

[InmanRoshi]

Mash, you're absolutely right. Skins get a nice player in Bowen, but probably a guy they'll be grinding their teeth over not living up to the contract.

Chris Canty Pt 2.

[STSINAZ]

Yeah, I'm not hip to paying a ton for him either. If he could stay healthy year in and year out, he would definitely be worth the money though.

i would like jenkins and either coleman or smith..that would be a good upgrade for us in a place that we need it...then get elam

[CowboyDan]

I'm bummed....I like Stephen as a player and as a person. Good guy. Extremely down to earth.
I'm glad he got paid, but I hate that he's a Redskin now. That's as bad as Canty going to the Giants. :mad:

[bbgun]

Chris Canty Pt 2.

But Jenkins could be Ferguson or Haynesworth Part 2. Will he be hungry after getting paid and getting his ring? Will he stay healthy? Big ifs.

[Dallas]

I'm bummed....I like Stephen as a player and as a person. Good guy. Extremely down to earth.
I'm glad he got paid, but I hate that he's a Redskin now. That's as bad as Canty going to the Giants. :mad:


I don't like Bowen. He is the Enemy to me now.

Hope he has a LOSING season. :p:

[Sam I Am]

I'm bummed....I like Stephen as a player and as a person. Good guy. Extremely down to earth.
I'm glad he got paid, but I hate that he's a Redskin now. That's as bad as Canty going to the Giants. :mad:

He is a Redskin now. That proves that statement dead wrong.

[CowboyMcCoy]

Wow, that's a decent amount of coin for Bowen.

More than we would have paid him. I'm thinking we upgrade anyway.

[Manster54]

I agree that the money was too much and they were sensible to let him go, but his absence undeniably hurts. Let's see what Plan B is.


Do you remember Brandon Noble? Bowen is version 2011. Just sayin'.

[Sam I Am]

Do you remember Brandon Noble? Bowen is version 2011. Just sayin'.

Actually that is a very good comparison.

[bbgun]

Do you remember Brandon Noble? Bowen is version 2011. Just sayin'.

Would you have panned him in the same way had we re-signed him? Doubtful. Just because he defects to the Skins doesn't make him a bum.

[Everlastingxxx]

he can't sign everyone and he has to balance a lot of things we as fans simply don't understand. so the blind bashing of jones to me has a long history of being old and out of place.

it's my own pavlovs dogs response, sorry.

and great. i never said twitter was without merit - only i don't want to see it so i avoid twitter, but that doesn't do any good.

If the Cowboys sign a player, it a “good move” if they let one go its because “we can’t sign everyone”. Doesn’t matter, there is no room for criticism in your book. Bowen was a guy Rob Ryan liked. I would trust his opinion. He fits into his rush the passer scheme. It’s a loss, no doubt about it.

Do you realize most of the information coming into the forum is from Twitter?

[Manster54]

Would you have panned him in the same way had we re-signed him? Doubtful. Just because he defects to the Skins doesn't make him a bum.

Yup. I am disappointed he left, just like I was with Noble (who I really liked) . BUT, he was never as much of an impact that Canty was. Cowboys can find another rotational guy.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Do you remember Brandon Noble? Bowen is version 2011. Just sayin'.

Noble's knee also got torn to shreds in his 2nd preseason game in DC. Poor guy was never the same after that, it was a miracle he even attempted to play football again

[Duane]

Would you have panned him in the same way had we re-signed him? Doubtful. Just because he defects to the Skins doesn't make him a bum.

A lot of people would have been glad to get a solid player still in his 20s.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Would you have panned him in the same way had we re-signed him? Doubtful. Just because he defects to the Skins doesn't make him a bum.

Agreed. He might even break out this year.

If they hadnt dun goofed on so many moves pick-wise and contract-wise I wouldnt mind him at that price.

[Sam I Am]

Just because he defects to the Skins doesn't make him a bum.

I have to disagree with this part of your statement. :laugh2:

[CATCH17]

Would you have panned him in the same way had we re-signed him? Doubtful. Just because he defects to the Skins doesn't make him a bum.

I would have.

He's been a touch above Jag while he was here in Dallas. Just a role player.

Not anywhere close to being a 6 mill a year player.

[bbgun]

A lot of people would have been glad to get a solid player still in his 20s.

Agreed. Jenkins is undeniably better when healthy and motivated, but upside is a question. Maybe the money could be better spent spread out over several players. Don't ask me who.

[Sam I Am]

Agreed. He might even break out this year.

Bowen? Exactly what is a breakout year? Five sacks? Does his weak run defense negate any of the sacks value if he does get five? What about if he ends up only a one down (3rd pass rush specialist) player...at 5 years $27M.

[Dale]

I would have.

He's been a touch above Jag while he was here in Dallas. Just a role player.

Not anywhere close to being a 6 mill a year player.

I'm in the same boat. Would have loved to have him back, but not at $30 million.

[Manwiththeplan]

He will not leave Green Bay if they want him back. They can pay him as much as Dallas can.

It also may not be a good use of money though. Yes they have the cap room, but they already have BJ Raji entering his third year and Ryan Pickett signed, they may not want to match a deal at 7+ per

[Chocolate Lab]

One would think that at some point last year he would have pushed Igor out of the mix completely. At least in those last 8 games. Probably because he was so bad at run support.

Nope. He was still the same guy. Very nice rotation piece.

Someone had to start on the left side when Spears was hurt, right.

And as for the Brandon Noble comparisons, they aren't close to the same. Noble really was a "blocker magnet" (Campo FTW) in that he couldn't do much but clog things up. Bowen is just the opposite, an athletic pass rusher who they hope can play the run.

Personally, I always thought Bowen wasn't a starting-type 34 DE... He's sort of narrow and tall, almost like a blown-up basketball player. When I heard Ryan's praise for him, I always wondered if he meant as a full time player or just what he did in pass-rush situations.

I don't know, maybe after a few years in the weight room, he's ready to play the run as well.

don't know if this has been mentioned....but the old regime noticed what we had in Ratliff and got him locked BEFORE they had to. Why did the Wade regime not notice Bowen and do something sooner when Dallas had the leverage?That *was* the Wade regime that signed Ratliff. Maybe Bowen wanted to test the market, or maybe like likely happened with Free, Jerry wasn't counting on these RFAs becoming unrestricted.

[Manwiththeplan]

Incarceratedbob
**UPDATED NFL NEWS**Source: Looks like the Cowboys are now in lead for Jenkins with the Packers still in it & now Browns have inquired

he's an idiot. he tweeted all sorts of stuff in the Melo NJ/NY trade talks.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Bowen? Exactly what is a breakout year? Five sacks? Does his weak run defense negate any of the sacks value if he does get five? What about if he ends up only a one down (3rd pass rush specialist) player...at 5 years $27M.


For a legit-pass rusher thats not so bad. Charles Johnson got $70M. It could turn out to be a steal.


My initial contract prediction for him was I think 3/15. And then later I was telling someone that value was about right but maybe add on some years b/c you might want to hit a home-run similar to the Jay Ratliff contract.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

he's an idiot. he tweeted all sorts of stuff in the Melo NJ/NY trade talks.


Dwight to the Lakers is already a done-deal in his head. Right in the middle of a year long lockout they got that deal done w/o knowing any ramifications(Or if their will be a tag). Impressive

[Manwiththeplan]

Have you seen him play? Jenkins automatically gives the Cowboys a push up the middle that they have never had before. That gives Ware and Spencer a more direct route to the qb.

have you been living under a rock? there's this guy named Jay Ratliff ever heard of him?

last year was an off year, but Jenkins will provide the push we were missing last year, but had the past 3-4 years from Ratliff

[iceberg]

If the Cowboys sign a player, it a “good move” if they let one go its because “we can’t sign everyone”. Doesn’t matter, there is no room for criticism in your book. Bowen was a guy Rob Ryan liked. I would trust his opinion. He fits into his rush the passer scheme. It’s a loss, no doubt about it.

Do you realize most of the information coming into the forum is from Twitter?

did i say every signing is a good move? no. so please address what i say.

and apparantly we CAN'T sign everyone, can we? should we try? no. we know bowen better than the skins. if jones/garrett felt he were worth it they'd match and not be in such a "panic" situation.

i never said it wasn't a loss. i said jones isn't one to go panic to replace depth on the DL and i don't think jones is making most of the calls anyway so to bash him to me is habit, not watching what is going on now.

you are more than free to disagree with me. i'll even help you if i can.

as for "information" coming from twitter. sorry. broken english and thoughts contained to 180 characters forcing grown adults to use jr high txting isn't for me.

if sentence fragments constitutes news to you great. go read it. but so far this is twice you've brought it up against me and i've not said anything about it lately other than to reply to you and your constant barrage of it.

if you don't want me talking about twitter (of which i have not lately and i even thanked joe the other day for keeping it in 1 thread which helped BOTH sides deal with it) then shut up.

[TheSport78]

did i say every signing is a good move? no. so please address what i say.

and apparantly we CAN'T sign everyone, can we? should we try? no. we know bowen better than the skins. if jones/garrett felt he were worth it they'd match and not be in such a "panic" situation.

i never said it wasn't a loss. i said jones isn't one to go panic to replace depth on the DL and i don't think jones is making most of the calls anyway so to bash him to me is habit, not watching what is going on now.

you are more than free to disagree with me. i'll even help you if i can.

as for "information" coming from twitter. sorry. broken english and thoughts contained to 180 characters forcing grown adults to use jr high txting isn't for me.

if sentence fragments constitutes news to you great. go read it. but so far this is twice you've brought it up against me and i've not said anything about it lately other than to reply to you and your constant barrage of it.

if you don't want me talking about twitter (of which i have not lately and i even thanked joe the other day for keeping it in 1 thread which helped BOTH sides deal with it) then shut up.

Oh, the irony.

[InmanRoshi]

Agreed. Jenkins is undeniably better when healthy and motivated, but upside is a question. Maybe the money could be better spent spread out over several players. Don't ask me who.

I get the injury history, and share that concern (I would also contend it's also going to make him cheaper than some are expecting), but I'm wondering where you're getting all these question about Jenkins' motivation. The guy came into the league as an undrafted free agent and worked his way up the ladder. He was hardly making chump change in his last contract, 4 years, $16 million. If he wanted to mail it in, he could have done it a long time ago. His track record is pretty well established. From all accounts, he's a hard worker, a good teammate and a guy who loves to play football.

[iceberg]

Oh, the irony.

yea, all over the place, huh?

[bbgun]

I get the injury history, and share that concern (I would also contend it's also going to make him cheaper than some are expecting), but I'm wondering where you're getting all these question about Jenkins' motivation. The guy came into the league as an undrafted free agent and worked his way up the ladder. He was hardly making chump change in his last contract, 4 years, $16 million. If he wanted to mail it in, he could have done it a long time ago. From all accounts, he's an extremely hard worker, a good teammate and a guy who loves to play football.

You could also say that he was motivated to play for one last big contract, which could come from us. Will he be as motivated when he gets $20M guaranteed? Maybe, maybe not. Also, going from the world champions to a lesser team is bound to affect anyone's psyche.

[InmanRoshi]

You could also say that he was motivated to play for one last big contract, which could come from us

That concern could be had of absolutely any and every free agent.

If anything it would be a bigger concern for Bowen, considering he's never played under a big money contract.

[Sam I Am]

For a legit-pass rusher thats not so bad. Charles Johnson got $70M. It could turn out to be a steal.


Charles Johnson is a 3 down 4-3 DE who had 11 1/2 sacks last year. That is an apples and oranges comparison. (though his breakout season was probably for contract driven)

[casmith07]

Hopefully this means that we're going after both Spears and Jenkins at this point.

Man, talk about overpaying for a guy though. Although it is over 5 years.

[Everlastingxxx]

did i say every signing is a good move? no. so please address what i say.

and apparantly we CAN'T sign everyone, can we? should we try? no. we know bowen better than the skins. if jones/garrett felt he were worth it they'd match and not be in such a "panic" situation.

i never said it wasn't a loss. i said jones isn't one to go panic to replace depth on the DL and i don't think jones is making most of the calls anyway so to bash him to me is habit, not watching what is going on now.

you are more than free to disagree with me. i'll even help you if i can.

The only person this move hurts is Rob Ryan. If the defense fails, he will get the blame. Jerry Jones already has a “he can’t sign everyone” excuse built in.


as for "information" coming from twitter. sorry. broken english and thoughts contained to 180 characters forcing grown adults to use jr high txting isn't for me.

if sentence fragments constitutes news to you great. go read it. but so far this is twice you've brought it up against me and i've not said anything about it lately other than to reply to you and your constant barrage of it.

if you don't want me talking about twitter (of which i have not lately and i even thanked joe the other day for keeping it in 1 thread which helped BOTH sides deal with it) then shut up.

Sorry couldn’t respond back sooner...was checking my Twitter.

[Mash]

Did we draft Bowens or did we get him as a undrafted FA?

[TheSport78]

Did we draft Bowens or did we get him as a undrafted FA?

Undrafted FA.

[Joshmvii]

I thought we drafted him, but some 5 second google-fu led me to wikipedia where it tells me he was undrafted.

[iceberg]

The only person this move hurts is Rob Ryan. If the defense fails, he will get the blame. Jerry Jones already has a “he can’t sign everyone” excuse built in.

Sorry couldn’t respond back sooner...was checking my Twitter.

is that an excuse or reality? i'm getting tired of mixing and matching based on who i'm talking to.

[jbsg02]

I really liked Bowen and wanted him back, but not for that kind of money

[187beatdown]

Not pleased with this at all. I really liked Bowen.

But as others have said, that's a large chunk of money for someone who is basically a backup.

[sureletsrace]

Ugh. Hate to lose Bowen. He's much better than the average fan gives him credit for. I would have started him all year last year.

[Nirvana]

This was written a few months ago at below link on Bowen. High praise. Think the Skins remembered that game?

As fate would have it, injury forced the Cowboys to bring Bowen into the starting defense in Week 9. Before this, he had continued in his ‘09 role of package duty and infrequent appearances in the base. The outcome was similar – he had picked up 13 quarterback pressures prior to his first start – but there was a sense of excitement (over in the PFF offices at least) when he started against Green Bay. He couldn’t have chosen a worse game to start.

Life as a starter

A terrible night for Dallas, and a bad night for the former Hofstra player too. Not only were the Cowboys dominated, but for the first time all year Bowen struggled to produce. On the field for 50 snaps (29 rushing the passer) he didn’t produce a single pressure. He kept his starting spot for the Giants game a week later, but only mustered two pressures in 37 pass rushing situations. There was a concerning trend developing, even if he had more then held his own in run defense. Could it be that the former undrafted free agent just wasn’t cut out for an every down role? Was he better off sticking to his spot as a situational player?

The Cowboys weren’t about to give up on him yet, and so, with the Lions coming to Texas, he had another chance to show he could handle what was being asked of him. While his snap total fell, he was able to get back to his pass rushing best as he went to work on Rob Sims. The end result was a one sack and four pressure day, and suddenly all was good again. A week later, in the Thanksgiving Day defeat to New Orleans, he kept the momentum going with a one hit and four pressure day, giving Carl Nicks (our top rated guard on the year) his worst game of the year.

He wasn’t showing up big on conventional stat sheets, but his performances were creating problems for the opposition. Over the remainder of the season, he had some big games (like when Washington visited) and some not so big games (in Arizona, for example), but he held up. Tasked with an increased role, he stayed firm in run defense and it didn’t come at the expense of his ability to get to the passer; he ended up with 33 total QB disruptions on the year.

Uncertainty on the horizon

It was such a good season for Stephen Bowen that he finished third in our 3-4 defensive end rankings. High praise indeed, but it wasn’t all sunshine and smiles. For a start, while he held up in the run game, he wasn’t making a ton of plays, nor was he asked to. Such was the Cowboys (and his) season that he found his ratio of run to pass snaps at 1:2.4, so we are yet to see him truly tested in this regard.

Then there’s the question of how he handles a defense that may ask more of him as a two-gap defensive end. Could it be that what made him such a good fit for Wade Phillips’ defense, makes him a situational player in what Rob Ryan does? We saw Rob Ryan run different schemes when in Oakland and Cleveland, maximizing the strengths of his rosters. What he does with Stephen Bowen, and whether he relegates him back to sub package duty will be something to watch.

So it’s a risk to label Stephen Bowen a Secret Superstar heading into the 2011 season, but if he can keep playing the way he’s played these past few years, how can you not like his chances of making a bigger impression?

He’s been good for a long time, even if people don’t know it.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/03/18/secret-superstar-stephen-bowen-dallas-cowboys/

[davey999]

Cofield, Wilson, Otogwe and Bowen. Pretty good haul for the Skins, IMO.

[ethiostar]

****!!!!!

[Chocolate Lab]

Cofield, Wilson, Otogwe and Bowen. Pretty good haul for the Skins, IMO.

I agree, they actually seem competent this year.

But there are always those two words... John Beck.

[Risen Star]

Sucks. Spears is almost a must sign now.

[DawnOfANewD]

I agree, they actually seem competent this year.

But there are always those two words... John Beck.

Well, Romo came out of nowhere once. Kurt Warner...uh, well that's it...

[mldardy]

I agree, they actually seem competent this year.

But there are always those two words... John Beck.
They have no running game, qb, wr's. And those guys they signed aren't difference makers.:suxskins:

[AmishGangsta]

Cofield, Wilson, Otogwe and Bowen. Pretty good haul for the Skins, IMO.

I think the Skins will go 6-10 or 7-9. I don't think they are bad as everyone thinks, and I don't think they are lucky enough to land luck.

Likely stockpiling picks and trade up next year.

I could see skins fans calling for shanny's head, for not tanking the season :D

[Chocolate Lab]

Hmm, Bowen is on 103.3 right now and says we didn't even show *that* much interest. Said he heard from the D-line coach one day and Garrett the next day, but our offer wasn't even competitive.

[iceberg]

Hmm, Bowen is on 103.3 right now and says we didn't even show *that* much interest. Said he heard from the D-line coach one day and Garrett the next day, but our offer wasn't even competitive.

i like bowen in the spot duty i've seen him play, sure.
i liked choice in much the same way.

i'd like to have kept bowen but if anyone knows his "value" to the team it jones and garrett. if they don't feel he's worth spending the money for, i won't pretend i know him as a player better than they do.

but yea, it is kinda odd to see we didn't even field a competitive offer. that alone must speak volumes.

[MichaelWinicki]

What a ridiculous amount of money for a stop-gap kinda player.

The Skin's obviously haven't learned any lessons from past mistakes.

[ZeroClub]

Hmm, Bowen is on 103.3 right now and says we didn't even show *that* much interest. Said he heard from the D-line coach one day and Garrett the next day, but our offer wasn't even competitive.

Considering what he got from the Redskins, the Cowboys offer probably wasn't competitive.

[Mash]

Agent probably gave the cowboys a number.....and the mangement laughed...

Sometimes you have to say no....

[InmanRoshi]

Cofield, Wilson, Otogwe and Bowen. Pretty good haul for the Skins, IMO.

Now they just signed Ravens C Chris Chester for five-year, $20 million.

Redskins spending money to field a team good enough to keep them out of the Luck Sweepstakes.

[AmishGangsta]

Now they just signed Ravens C Chris Chester for five-year, $20 million.

Redskins spending money to field a team good enough to keep them out of the Luck Sweepstakes.

They are far from done.

Likely sign Ryan Harris Tackle from Denver, and hearing going hard after a corner. They still need a guard. Dahl?

I'm in the minority of skins fans that actually likes what they are doing.

They are always going to be an agressive team, however, they needed football people to make the desicions, and so far, the only player they have over paid for is Bowen.

Spending money on players in their 20's, that are "up and coming" and still have a lot to prove.

WR is puzzling however, keep in mind that, coaches anticipate a lot of injuries in camp this year, mainly at WR; teams often bring in lots of wideouts, anyway.

Also, I keep hearing skins have a couple things up their sleeve, add that to the fact that, Rex Grossman hasn't been signedyet . Could be a move at QB.

[Manster54]

I am not a Chester fan either...
His play for the Ravens was underwhelming.
He was NOT physical at the point of attack and that is what the Ravens thought they were getting.

[MichaelWinicki]

I am not a Chester fan either...
His play for the Ravens was underwhelming.
He was NOT physical at the point of attack and that is what the Ravens thought they were getting.

Neither am I.

The Skins aren't knocking my socks off.

[speedkilz88]

have you been living under a rock? there's this guy named Jay Ratliff ever heard of him?

last year was an off year, but Jenkins will provide the push we were missing last year, but had the past 3-4 years from RatliffRatliff is a totally different type of player his game is penetration not getting a push up the middle.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

I am not a Chester fan either...
His play for the Ravens was underwhelming.
He was NOT physical at the point of attack and that is what the Ravens thought they were getting.

You're right about Chester not being strong at the point of attack.

But he's very athletic and fits Shanny's ZBS.

[SkinsHokieFan]

I think the Skins will go 6-10 or 7-9. I don't think they are bad as everyone thinks, and I don't think they are lucky enough to land luck.

Likely stockpiling picks and trade up next year.

I could see skins fans calling for shanny's head, for not tanking the season :D

I will.

Although I think people are severly overrating what these signings will do.

No idea if Chester will be around considering we don't know the guranteed money yet

I am a fan of the Bowen/Cofield/Wilson deals. Excellent value for players in their 20s

[JBell523]

Considering what he got from the Redskins, the Cowboys offer probably wasn't competitive.

Mhm.

Bowen got paid for his potential. We need to spend money on results.

[stasheroo]

So instead of paying HUGE money for 5 'name' guys, they spend HUGE money on 10 'just a guys'?

I still see a team trying to completely build itself through free agency, a recipe for failure.

I give the Shanahans two years before they're run out of town on a rail.

[AmishGangsta]

I will.

Although I think people are severly overrating what these signings will do.

No idea if Chester will be around considering we don't know the guranteed money yet

I am a fan of the Bowen/Cofield/Wilson deals. Excellent value for players in their 20s

I like what they are doing from a team building standpoint.

Even before free agency, I've had the gut feeling that the skins won't have a 1-4 win season; will likely improved. I just think they've improved every but the QB position, and we've yet to see what they have - better feel in preseason.

Just because millions of flies eat ****, doesn't make it right. Anytime the media says something has a 99% chance of happening, don't bank on it. :)
No team can afford to tank a season. You could tank a season, get the #1 pick, and Luck could be a bust.

[SkinsHokieFan]

So instead of paying HUGE money for 5 'name' guys, they spend HUGE money on 10 'just a guys'?

I still see a team trying to completely build itself through free agency, a recipe for failure.

I give the Shanahans two years before they're run out of town on a rail.

2 words: Cash minimum

Along with that really there are 3 singings on D (Cofield, Bowne, Wilson) at need spots and 1 on O (Chester)

Hardly building by FA

The Redskins are required to actually field a team, as well as get to 90 players for TC.

I'd say now they are at 80 some players. Need to fill out the rest of the TC roster.

[AmishCowboy]

Bowen never was very solid in the run game. He's a situational pass rusher IMO, with some upside. This is how I feel too, Decent player, but not for that amount.

[CCBoy]

Posted by Mike Florio on July 28, 2011, 2:59 PM EDT

...
As we understand it, a handshake deal was close if not done. Something happened to prompt the Redskins to go for Bowen instead.

Since Bowen played for the Cowboys, Jenkins can now perhaps sign there. But he may have to take even less than what the Redskins were prepared to pay...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/28/jenkins-to-redskins-deal-dead/

[AmishGangsta]

I still see a team trying to completely build itself through free agency, a recipe for failure.


Skins drafted more players this year than any year in their entire history.

As to spending in free agency, they were prepared this year more than most teams. They cleared up room last year, during the uncapped year. Smart move on their part.

Until they start winning, everything they do will be criticized.

If they came out and signed 0 players, I'm pretty sure most would have tore into them.

[SilverStarCowboy]

Bowen always seemed right on the verge or becomming something special and Ryan could have been right on the curve.


Yeh it is alot of money for a backup player but obviously "Waaa" saw something on film, he is still young too.


Disappointed for the most part but on the positive with that kind of dough structered correctly Dallas should be able to land whoever they want.

[AmishGangsta]

Skins appearently contacted Bowen at 10:01 am

Hearing reports that they never offered Cullen Jenkins a deal. Interesting.

[AmishGangsta]

That Jenkins report (not getting an offer)is from DC media, who are normally wrong about everything btw lol

Here's the Bowen interview (from the post blog) :

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/stephen-bowen-ready-for-a-bigger-role-with-redskins/2011/07/28/gIQAI1hmfI_blog.html

[stasheroo]

Skins drafted more players this year than any year in their entire history.

As to spending in free agency, they were prepared this year more than most teams. They cleared up room last year, during the uncapped year. Smart move on their part.

Until they start winning, everything they do will be criticized.

If they came out and signed 0 players, I'm pretty sure most would have tore into them.

You're likely right.

They're in a position right now where they'd get ripped no matter what they did.

[AmishGangsta]

You're likely right.

They're in a position right now where they'd get ripped no matter what they did.

Yeah, they did it to themselves, I'm just not the type to think everything they do is negative.

Chad dukes - local radio host, went off for about 5 hours yesterday because the Skins signed 3 1 year contracts (camp fodder) at receiver.

Didn't once bring up any of the other signings.

Some of the stations/reporters around here have agendas too. Local media is competing with the skins, and it's a propaganda war. One the skins won't win.

JLC is used to be a post beat reporter btw. ; Wilbon/Kornheiser too (see them quite frequently, actually). Too many people in high places, skins shoulda never went to war with their own media members.

[dogunwo]

Bowen might be a quality player, but I'd rather not pay huge money for mediocrity. That goes for Spears as well. Either pay a little more for a top guy like Jenkins, or go the quantity route and sign a bunch of low risk 1 year contracts and see who seperates themselves. But don't pay a 3 star player like a 5 star player.


:hammer:

[gimmesix]

Makes me wonder if Rob Ryan should have played his cards a little closer to the vest on his high praise for Bowen. I know personally my stock in Bowen went way up on hearing that. Redskins had their ear to the wall on that comment I bet. I forget how that info got leaked out, Rob didn't blurt that out to the media as far as I know, so may not be his fault at all.

I don't know if he was worth 5.5 a year. I know when I heard Canty was signed for that kind of money, I didn't get upset at all as that's too much for Chris. But with Bowen I was really picturing him being a force this season so I'm pissed.

I think a lot of people's stock in Bowen went up based on what Ryan said. Really, though, I never saw reason for him to receive that praise.

He has a good motor, can get reasonable (off and on) pressure on the QB and isn't really stout against the run. I think he's a solid rotation player, but I don't know if I see him as anything more than that.

I'd like more than that from a starting end.

[BlueStar22]

I think a lot of people's stock in Bowen went up based on what Ryan said. Really, though, I never saw reason for him to receive that praise.

He has a good motor, can get reasonable (off and on) pressure on the QB and isn't really stout against the run. I think he's a solid rotation player, but I don't know if I see him as anything more than that.

I'd like more than that from a starting end.

Based on what Ryan said but also when he got his opportunities, he made a lot of plays.

[gimmesix]

Based on what Ryan said but also when he got his opportunities, he made a lot of plays.

I don't know about that. He was good at getting pressure on the quarterback, but I didn't see him making play after play when he was in there.

I don't want to downplay his value. I liked him as part of the rotation because he could come into the game and you at least knew that he was able to get pressure. But he's just a solid rotational player.

I wouldn't be surprised if Lissemore proves to be a capable replacement because he showed similar ability in the limited playing time he received ... only Lissemore looked like he could be better against the run.

I will say this: I don't think Bowen's production will live up the contract he received.

Just to add some numbers to what I'm saying about Bowen:

He started 9 games, played in all 16, and finished with 22 tackles and 1.5 sacks. Just applying his numbers to his starts, he would have averaged barely over two tackles per game. Some might say that's OK for a 3-4 DE, but remember that Phillips' 3-4 used DEs more like they are used in a 4-3. Ratliff is the one who had to consistently face double-teams, and none of the ends could do enough to draw linemen off of him and the linebackers.

[BraveHeartFan]

I liked Bowen, I think he's solid, and would have liked to have kept him.

For that price, however, I'm glad he went elsewhere.

That just seems, at least to me, to be too much for him.

[BraveHeartFan]

I thought they had been pretty good about contracts so far this offseason, but that one seems a little on the high side. I'm glad to have him but that's a bit much for someone with his production.

That's what I feel. I like Bowen, I do. I think he's a really solid player. But I wouldn't have been pleased if we gave him that money.

I liken this situation to Chris Canty a couple years ago. A player I really liked, would have liked to have kept, but certainly not for what the Giants were giving him.


Spears has zero pass rushing moves, Bowen has one of the best bullrushes in the league. Spears is JAG and basically all he's ever gonna be at this point, Bowen has always made the most of his opportunities and was about to get his chance to start this year.

LOL!!!!!

Best bullrushes in the league? LMAO!!!!!

Oh brother.

Bowen was a solid player. Make no mistake. But this is a complete over reaction to another team giving a career back up a nearly 30 million dollar deal.



I don't know the team anything like you guys, but a lot of the Dallas beat reporters are saying it's a pretty serious loss, that he was set to be a starter this year.

I'm not saying the Redskins contract was justified, but he'll be a noticeable loss from what I can tell.

He wasn't going to start and the Dallas reporters were saying he was only because they believed Dallas would sign him and let Spears walk. They did the opposite. They let the back up walk and then turned around and resigned the guy whose our starter, and the guy Bowen never beat out, for less money.

Worked out great for Dallas, IMO.


Would you have panned him in the same way had we re-signed him? Doubtful. Just because he defects to the Skins doesn't make him a bum.

I am not panning him, by any means, but that contract is too high for a career back up.

We got Spears back, whose a better player, especially against the run for us, for almost 10 million dollars less.

So, yeah, the Cowboys made the right move here.