Breaking: Ochocinco to Patriots

[Trace1015]

Ochocinco to patriots per espn

[DFWJC]

You know that he's a happy man right now.

[TheCount]

Goodness gracious, damn those Patriots.

[bbgun]

First Haynesworth, now this. Pats are monopolizing the scumbag market.

[Chocolate Lab]

First Haynesworth, now this. Pats are monopolizing the scumbag market.

:laugh2:

Though I don't think Chad is really a "scumbag", he is a wacko.

[Bowdown27]

Crazy news

[dargonking999]

Randy moss 2.0 he's going to go crazy this year then fail after that

[CoCo]

VERY interesting.

There is something to be said for being an organization that can turn other teams malcontents into contributors for your team. Easier said than done.

Raiders used to be good at it. Belichek made it work with Moss (mostly). Jerry has tried as well.

[DFWJC]

First Haynesworth, now this. Pats are monopolizing the scumbag market.
Ocho is whacky, but I wouldn't call him a scumbag.

[jobberone]

Talented enough to contribute some. They'll reign him in enough.

[SDCowboy85]

First Haynesworth, now this. Pats are monopolizing the scumbag market.

Scumbag? All he's done is stand up for his teammates. Would have loved to have him here.

[TheFinisher]

wow, he's gonna have a huge year in that system.

[warrior43]

The Almighty Great Bill Bellicheck will look like a genius no matter how these work out. either they both play great for the Pats or The Alimighty has the balls to cut these guys next year if they dont work out. But if the Cowboys go out and get both these guys Jerry is a complete idiot and is just running a circus.

I guess when you recently won 3 superbowls you get a pass

[the truth of it all]

Well chad johnsons just a goofy idiot he's not really a bad guy or a cancer. He sort of just fell off along with the bengals. Think he will have a solid year. Wouldn't really call him a risk, now haynesworth will probably fail.

[jblaze2004]

jets might need to go get ASO. Jeez pats get Albert and chad. They know how to run their front office well.

[TheCowboy]

Ochocinco the next greatest WR in Fantasy history for THIS year

[jblaze2004]

I wonder if this move helps Palmer come out of retirement? or he prolly is mad that they traded chad and not him.

[StylisticS]

The Pats/Jets games will be must see tv.

[jblaze2004]

Ochocinco the next greatest WR in Fantasy history for THIS year

might be like the time they acquired randy moss. And we play them this year. Jeez. I hope we are ready. This is going to by a slug fest.

[Alexander]

Belichick must be losing his touch without Pioli.

He's going for more "shock and awe" value than actually adding great talent.

Chad Johnson is not an elite football player anymore. If he did not run his mouth as much as does, nobody would be that impressed by his play.

[Doomsday101]

That should be fun to see how his sideline antics will play with Belicheck

[Alexander]

might be like the time they acquired randy moss. And we play them this year. Jeez. I hope we are ready. This is going to by a slug fest.

The difference is Randy Moss was still explosive. Johnson never has been really. They might as well have signed Terrell Owens. Same impact.

[JustDezIt]

Belichick must be losing his touch without Pioli.

He's going for more "shock and awe" value than actually adding great talent.

Chad Johnson is not an elite football player anymore. If he did not run his mouth as much as does, nobody would be that impressed by his play.

Chad is actually good friends with Belichick.

[7footer]

Let's see if ESPN and NFLN will continue their worshiping of the genius of Bellicheck and the Patriots organization. I couldn't help but think to myself how if any other team had traded for Haynesworth, all of these analysts would have talked about it being a bad move and that it would cause disruption...But since it's the Pats...it was genius and they are now in the running for a Super Bowl!

Now they have compounded the drama by adding the king of self promotion himself, OchoCinco. Yes, mister there is no "team" in "I" will now be paired with the bad-attitude, big pay-day quitter. How will the media spin this to make Bellicheck and the Patriots' team-first, uber-disciplined reputation look even better? Stay tuned...

[jblaze2004]

The difference is Randy Moss was still explosive. Johnson never has been really. They might as well have signed Terrell Owens. Same impact.

true. But chad does still run great routes and has good sideline footwork.

[tecolote]

Aaron Hernandez is about to get a new number. Ochocinco has to be 85 right? It's his name.

[TheCowboy]

I think ESPN once said that he was going to change his name back but apparently he hasn't yet.

[Stautner]

First Moss, now this. Maybe the pats want Brandon Marshall and TO too.

[RastaRocket]

Aaron Hernandez is about to get a new number. Ochocinco has to be 85 right? It's his name.

ClaytonESPN John Clayton
First order of business. Aaron Hernandez would have to surrender his Pats No. 85 so Ochocinco doesn't have to change.

[JustDezIt]

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[speedkilz88]

The Almighty Great Bill Bellicheck will look like a genius no matter how these work out. either they both play great for the Pats or The Alimighty has the balls to cut these guys next year if they dont work out. But if the Cowboys go out and get both these guys Jerry is a complete idiot and is just running a circus.

I guess when you recently won 3 superbowls you get a pass
:hammer:

[speedkilz88]

What name is he going to use?

[cowboys2233]

But since it's the Pats...it was genius and they are now in the running for a Super Bowl!

Well, in all fairness, they were in the running BEFORE these signings. Both of these guys are going to play well, no doubt in my mind.

[bbgun]

Ocho is whacky, but I wouldn't call him a scumbag.

Fine. Jackarse market.

[SDCowboy85]

Fine. Jackarse market.

He isn't a ******* either.

[Everlastingxxx]

Patriots are losing their mind. Ocho is a head case. What the hell is going on in this world. Comet headed this way to kill us all?

[Hoofbite]

Let's see if ESPN and NFLN will continue their worshiping of the genius of Bellicheck and the Patriots organization. I couldn't help but think to myself how if any other team had traded for Haynesworth, all of these analysts would have talked about it being a bad move and that it would cause disruption...But since it's the Pats...it was genius and they are now in the running for a Super Bowl!

The Patriots have a track record of taming idiots. Not to mention the means by which they get them is a complete joke. Trading away minimal picks for high rewards. It's genius because they have done it in the past and if it fails this time, they just cut the guy and move on.

Now they have compounded the drama by adding the king of self promotion himself, OchoCinco. Yes, mister there is no "team" in "I" will now be paired with the bad-attitude, big pay-day quitter. How will the media spin this to make Bellicheck and the Patriots' team-first, uber-disciplined reputation look even better? Stay tuned...

They won't have to spin anything. Everyone knows the score. You either fall in line or get out. That's why they are "team-first". When you have that attitude, you can take a little risk as long as you stick to your guns and pull the trigger when someone steps out of line.

[7footer]

Well, in all fairness, they were in the running BEFORE these signings. Both of these guys are going to play well, no doubt in my mind.


Not necessarily. You've heard of addition by subtraction? This could very well be subtraction by addition.

As we know very well from past experiences...You can only have so many knuckle-heads in your locker room before you have serious problems...Patriots are not immune from this truth.

[TheCount]

First Haynesworth, now this. Pats are monopolizing the scumbag market.

Chad is a scumbag now? Why? Cause he likes to dance in the endzone and ride bulls in the off season? :rolleyes:

[bbgun]

He isn't a ******* either.

Then neither is TO. There, now we're both lying.

[CowboyMcCoy]

C'mon, Jerry. R. Moss to Dallas.


You can dew it.

[Stautner]

Chad is a scumbag now? Why? Cause he likes to dance in the endzone and ride bulls in the off season? :rolleyes:

I agree. He's certainly a nuisance and a headcase, but that doesn't make him a scumbag. No domestic disputes, no arrests, no drug issues, no prostitutes, no barroom incidents .. at least none of these things that we know of.

[SDCowboy85]

Then neither is TO. There, now we're both lying.

The guy is a goofball but that's it.

[SDCowboy85]

C'mon, Jerry. R. Moss to Dallas.


You can dew it.
That would be epic.

[CowboyMcCoy]

Chad is a scumbag now? Why? Cause he likes to dance in the endzone and ride bulls in the off season? :rolleyes:

Ego = scumbag to many.


Signed,
Your fellow scumbag

[bbgun]

I agree. He's certainly a nuisance and a headcase, but that doesn't make him a scumbag. No domestic disputes, no arrests, no drug issues, no prostitutes, no barroom incidents .. at least none of these things that we know of.

Neither does Philip Rivers, who's on-field antics qualify as jackarsery.

[CowboyMcCoy]

That would be epic.

Yup. I agree. But a lot of fans don't jive with Moss this Moss that...

I'd welcome him, though.

[Hoofbite]

Anyone think the Pats are making this moves, in part, because of the shortened ready time until kickoff?

You sign a guy in March he has all offseason to jerk around and project any sort of piss poor attitude to the rest of the team.

You sign a guy now, he's gonna be too busy getting ready to play and not comfortable enough with the team to actually develop any sort of bad habits.

I mean, you let Albert fat-*** on your team all offseason he's gonna get comfy with the guys out there and he'll be a big pile of crap by the time camp roles around. But, bringing him in now he can't focus on anything but integrating and running from his reputation as a slob.

I really don't think the Pats would have made this moves under a normal year. I think they are using the shortened preparation time to their advantage by bringing in guys nobody would really want to touch.

[SDCowboy85]

Neither does Philip Rivers, who's on-field antics qualify as jackarsery.

Rivers throws tantrums and treats his teammates like they're retarded if they make a mistake.

[arglebargle]

As it gets closer to the Tom Brady ride off into the sunset, the Pats have to take more chances on cannons looser than the usual. Nature of the beast, really.

[CowboyMcCoy]

Anyone think the Pats are making this moves, in part, because of the shortened ready time until kickoff?

You sign a guy in March he has all offseason to jerk around and project any sort of piss poor attitude to the rest of the team.

You sign a guy now, he's gonna be too busy getting ready to play and not comfortable enough with the team to actually develop any sort of bad habits.

I mean, you let Albert fat-*** on your team all offseason he's gonna get comfy with the guys out there and he'll be a big pile of crap by the time camp roles around. But, bringing him in now he can't focus on anything but integrating and running from his reputation as a slob.

I really don't think the Pats would have made this moves under a normal year. I think they are using the shortened preparation time to their advantage by bringing in guys nobody would really want to touch.

I think Garrett could do wonders with Moss...

It's a pipe dream. But the rueing of those days would at least be over.

[Stautner]

Neither does Philip Rivers, who's on-field antics qualify as jackarsery.

And that is relevent how?

[skinsscalper]

The Almighty Great Bill Bellicheck will look like a genius no matter how these work out. either they both play great for the Pats or The Alimighty has the balls to cut these guys next year if they dont work out. But if the Cowboys go out and get both these guys Jerry is a complete idiot and is just running a circus.

I guess when you recently won 3 superbowls you get a pass

Ya think?

Can't think of anything that would get you more of a pass.

[realtick]

Let's see if ESPN and NFLN will continue their worshiping of the genius of Bellicheck and the Patriots organization. I couldn't help but think to myself how if any other team had traded for Haynesworth, all of these analysts would have talked about it being a bad move and that it would cause disruption...But since it's the Pats...it was genius and they are now in the running for a Super Bowl!

Now they have compounded the drama by adding the king of self promotion himself, OchoCinco. Yes, mister there is no "team" in "I" will now be paired with the bad-attitude, big pay-day quitter. How will the media spin this to make Bellicheck and the Patriots' team-first, uber-disciplined reputation look even better? Stay tuned...

You know why the Patriots get so much "love?"

Because they were the second winningest football franchise for the past decade, winners of three Super Bowls, annually in the playoffs year-in-year out, masters of the draft, et cetera.

[hornitosmonster]

Good pick-up but this is not the end of the world type of pick-up. If this was Fitz or A. Johnson I would say pencil the Pats in. This pick is not that. The Jets are still the favorite in that Division.

[rat2k11]

Brilliant move by Belichek. That organization is a model that all other teams should duplicate. Ocho is going to have a fantastic year. Wow the Patriots could have sealed their Superbowl appearance

[Romo 2 Austin]

Bellicheck does exactly what I would've done. I wish we got Haynesworth.

[hornitosmonster]

Brilliant move by Belichek. That organization is a model that all other teams should duplicate. Ocho is going to have a fantastic year. Wow the Patriots could have sealed their Superbowl appearance

:lmao:

Because of Ochocinco?

:lmao:

:laugh1:

:laugh2:

[bbgun]

And that is relevent how?

You implied that Ocho wasn't a jackarse because he had a clean record off the field. Well, so does Rivers, but he's every bit the jackarse in most people's minds. In his defense, at least he didn't dye his hair, change his name, or don a fake HOF jacket during a game.

Ocho's Wiki page has a good rundown of all the bullcrap he's compressed into a short career.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chad_Ochocinco

[warrior43]

Ya think?

Can't think of anything that would get you more of a pass.

Yea i do think that. Thats why i said it

[hornitosmonster]

Bellicheck does exactly what I would've done. I wish we got Haynesworth.

No way. He will be a situation guy for them. And he still has to pass the fitness test. ;)

[Stautner]

You implied that Ocho wasn't a jackarse because he had a clean record off the field. Well, so does Rivers, but he's every bit the jackarse in most people's minds. In his defense, at least he didn't dye his hair, change his name, or don a fake HOF jacket during a game.

Ocho's Wiki page has a good rundown of all the bullcrap he's compressed into a short career.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chad_Ochocinco

No, I said he wasn't a scumbag, which I equate more with morality and living a life in line with dregs of society - hurting people, legal trouble, drugs etc.

I didn't say anything about him not being a jackarse, which I equate more with being a a nuisance and a headcase - and sometimes maybe even a jerk.

By the way, you did read where I called him a nuisance and a headcase before didn't you?

[bbgun]

No, I said he wasn't a scumbag, which I equate more with morality and living a life in line with dregs of society - hurting people, legal trouble, drugs etc.

I didn't say anything about him not being a jackarse, which I equate more with being a a nuisance and a headcase - and sometimes maybe even a jerk.

By the way, you did read where I called him a nuisance and a headcase before didn't you?

I changed it to jackarse, but nine posts later you obsess on the scumbag remark. I had already moved on by that point. Much ado about nothing.

[GimmeTheBall!]

Patriots don't rebuild, they just reload.

[MFWitt63]

im happy for him...after being stuck on that steaming pile of CRAP team in cinci for the last decade...

[Stautner]

I changed it to jackarse, but nine posts later you obsess on the scumbag remark. I had already moved on by that point. Much ado about nothing.

Wow - I understand now why they locked a thread to shut up your idiocy.

I remarked ONCE about him not being a scumbag, and that was in response to someone else who also said he wasn't a scumbag. How in the world does that qualify as obsession?

It only came up a second time because you chose to ignore what I actually said and apparently decided you had the power to change my post to read jackarse instead of scumbag.

And remember, it was you that responded to me about what I said, not the other way around.

[bbgun]

Wow - I understand now why they locked a thread to shut up your idiocy.

Prematurely closing threads is BP's specialty, but never mind. Not sure why you're making this personal. I insulted Ocho, not you.

I remarked ONCE about him not being a scumbag, and that was in response to someone else who also said he wasn't a scumbag. How in the world does that qualify as obsession?

It only came up a second time because you chose to ignore what I actually said and apparently decided you had the power to change my post to read jackarse instead of scumbag.

And remember, it was you that responded to me about what I said, not the other way around.

You failed to keep up with the thread. I graciously changed it to "jackarse" but you held me to "scumbag." If "obsessed" doesn't fit, then "lazy" does.

[Hostile]

Patriots. The litmus test for all NFL teams.

2007 they went 16-0, then lost the Super Bowl.

2008, they lost Brady, still finished 11-5, but missed the playoffs.

2009, they finished 10-6 and lost in the 1st round of the playoffs.

2010, they finished 14-2 and lost in the 1st round of the playoffs.

No doubt about it, the New England Patriots are the best run organization in the NFL right now. No hyperbole. No exaggeration. That is a top notch team. They have missed the playoffs and lost 3 straight post season games.

I keep hoping that some people will realize that winning in the post season is not a birthright. That the other teams you face are good. That even better teams lose. That losing can compile itself.

Will the Patriots suffer 14 straight years like we did? I can't answer that and no one else can either. But anyone who thinks they are a mark is out of their ever loving mind.

When will we win our 6th Lombardi Trophy? When fate shines on us, the stars align, and it is meant to be, and not one second, minute, hour, day, week, month, or season sooner.

I'm sorry, but that is the cold hard truth. Winning a Super Bowl is monumental task, not a walk in the park for a good team.

[newlander]

Patriots. The litmus test for all NFL teams.

2007 they went 16-0, then lost the Super Bowl.

2008, they lost Brady, still finished 11-5, but missed the playoffs.

2009, they finished 10-6 and lost in the 1st round of the playoffs.

2010, they finished 14-2 and lost in the 1st round of the playoffs.

No doubt about it, the New England Patriots are the best run organization in the NFL right now. No hyperbole. No exaggeration. That is a top notch team. They have missed the playoffs and lost 3 straight post season games.

I keep hoping that some people will realize that winning in the post season is not a birthright. That the other teams you face are good. That even better teams lose. That losing can compile itself.

Will the Patriots suffer 14 straight years like we did? I can't answer that and no one else can either. But anyone who thinks they are a mark is out of their ever loving mind.

When will we win our 6th Lombardi Trophy? When fate shines on us, the stars align, and it is meant to be, and not one second, minute, hour, day, week, month, or season sooner.

I'm sorry, but that is the cold hard truth. Winning a Super Bowl is monumental task, not a walk in the park for a good team.



.....let's not get hung up on semantics boys: hoodie(belicheck), Brady, fat albert, ocho-overrated-o, and a cast of other turds.....god what an allstar lineup they have: NO they won't make it to the super bowl. Still can't run the ball.

[Stautner]

Prematurely closing threads is BP's specialty, but never mind. Not sure why you're making this personal. I insulted Ocho, not you.



You failed to keep up with the thread. I graciously changed it to "jackarse" but you held me to "scumbag." If "obsessed" doesn't fit, then "lazy" does.

It's personal because you decided it is acceptible for you to make up something different from what i said, and respond to me as if i had written your version. Pretty ridiculous, and completely bizarre.

Then you ridiculously talked about me being obsessed with something I mentioned once, and only had to comment on a second time to inform you that you had misstated what I said the first time.

What - do you think this is your dream so you get to make up the dialogue for everyone? The thread isn't about you, and my comment that stirred this up wasn't directed to you, so if you want to respond to me you have to do so based on what I actually said, not your dreamed up version of what I said.

[UnoDallas]

Patriots. The litmus test for all NFL teams.

2007 they went 16-0, then lost the Super Bowl.

2008, they lost Brady, still finished 11-5, but missed the playoffs.

2009, they finished 10-6 and lost in the 1st round of the playoffs.

2010, they finished 14-2 and lost in the 1st round of the playoffs.

No doubt about it, the New England Patriots are the best run organization in the NFL right now. No hyperbole. No exaggeration. That is a top notch team. They have missed the playoffs and lost 3 straight post season games.

I keep hoping that some people will realize that winning in the post season is not a birthright. That the other teams you face are good. That even better teams lose. That losing can compile itself.

Will the Patriots suffer 14 straight years like we did? I can't answer that and no one else can either. But anyone who thinks they are a mark is out of their ever loving mind.

When will we win our 6th Lombardi Trophy? When fate shines on us, the stars align, and it is meant to be, and not one second, minute, hour, day, week, month, or season sooner.

I'm sorry, but that is the cold hard truth. Winning a Super Bowl is monumental task, not a walk in the park for a good team.

gotta agree with all that

I think Kraft is one smart dude

I can see why B Parcells is thought to be a great coach he had Belichick as DC

[Sportsbabe]

Ocho is whacky, but I wouldn't call him a scumbag.

Being an individual with your own thoughts and actions makes you a scumbag ... I thought you knew??!!??:rolleyes:

[Sportsbabe]

[quote=Hostile;4013891]Patriots. The litmus test for all NFL teams.

2007 they went 16-0, then lost the Super Bowl.

2008, they lost Brady, still finished 11-5, but missed the playoffs.

2009, they finished 10-6 and lost in the 1st round of the playoffs.

2010, they finished 14-2 and lost in the 1st round of the playoffs.



Trudat. More reason for me to root against them ... matched up against the right team. The Patriots know how it feels to be a Cowboy. Most people root for your demise.

[7footer]

Patriots. The litmus test for all NFL teams.

2007 they went 16-0, then lost the Super Bowl.

2008, they lost Brady, still finished 11-5, but missed the playoffs.

2009, they finished 10-6 and lost in the 1st round of the playoffs.

2010, they finished 14-2 and lost in the 1st round of the playoffs.

No doubt about it, the New England Patriots are the best run organization in the NFL right now. No hyperbole. No exaggeration. That is a top notch team. They have missed the playoffs and lost 3 straight post season games.

I keep hoping that some people will realize that winning in the post season is not a birthright. That the other teams you face are good. That even better teams lose. That losing can compile itself.

Will the Patriots suffer 14 straight years like we did? I can't answer that and no one else can either. But anyone who thinks they are a mark is out of their ever loving mind.

When will we win our 6th Lombardi Trophy? When fate shines on us, the stars align, and it is meant to be, and not one second, minute, hour, day, week, month, or season sooner.

I'm sorry, but that is the cold hard truth. Winning a Super Bowl is monumental task, not a walk in the park for a good team.



Yeah, there's no doubt they've earned their stripes...They are definitely the blueprint for how to run a successful team in the new millennium. No one can deny their success...period.

I do get sick of the media's swooning over them at times though...especially when their bias is so obvious. Like I said in my earlier post, Haynesworth would be seen as a red flag anywhere else...but with NE he makes them a SB contender? I just don't buy it.

I do think that if any team can turn him around it's them, but for the media to act as if his redemption is guaranteed now that he's in NE is crazy. I really have no problem with OchoCinco as a player, but I don't think he will quietly play the background just because he is now a Patriot either. Bellicheck and Co. will definitely have their work cut out for them in maintaining their identity now that they have these two.

[ThreeSportStar80]

Ochocinco is a good dude actually... Great move by the Pats, he's still got a few very good years left in him.

[Hostile]

Yeah, there's no doubt they've earned their stripes...They are definitely the blueprint for how to run a successful team in the new millennium. No one can deny their success...period.

I do get sick of the media's swooning over them at times though...especially when their bias is so obvious. Like I said in my earlier post, Haynesworth would be seen as a red flag anywhere else...but with NE he makes them a SB contender? I just don't buy it.

I do think that if any team can turn him around it's them, but for the media to act as if his redemption is guaranteed now that he's in NE is crazy. I really have no problem with OchoCinco as a player, but I don't think he will quietly play the background just because he is now a Patriot either. Bellicheck and Co. will definitely have their work cut out for them in maintaining their identity now that they have these two.New England has earned the slack they get right now, but if they continue to falter in the post season they too will come down off the pedestal.

That is the nature of the media. Put someone on a pedestal so they can be torn down. Happens in music, movies, TV, and sports.

New England is on the perch and rightfully so. The Hoodie is the best coach in the game right now. But it still comes down to the fact that Dallas has been ripped more for going 13-3 and losing to the Giants in round 1 than New England ever will be for going one better at 14-2 and losing in round 1 last year.

Tennessee, San Diego, and Indianapolis have all gone one and out in the post season in recent years after a 13-3 or better season. Cowboys fans are too focused on their own misery to notice that other teams go through the exact same struggles.

They miss on draft picks. They make bad trades. They miss on Free Agents. They cut someone to save money that they previously gave a lot of money to.

Every team is in that same boat. But a lot of people do not want to hear that. They need a pacifier that simply says Jerry is the problem and if he was gone we'd win every Super Bowl with a great GM.

The problem with that is it is a fairy tale. We need a GM who gets talent on the roster and that is happening. It didn't always on Jerry's watch. But it is now.

The rest is up to the coaches and the players. It takes some luck too.

[InmanRoshi]

I had Palmer on one of my fantasy teams, so I watch more Bengal games than I would have wished. Ocho is pretty ridiculously overrated at this point. The Bengals basically came into last year trying to emulate the Colts and threw the ball A TON, and Ocho's numbers were still pedestrian. There were definitely games where Ocho looked like the 3rd best WR on his own team after TO and even Shipley. He didn't get seperation easily, and basically got most of his catches just because Palmer would force it into him even when he was covered to keep him happy (he was 15th in the NFL in pass targets last year ... put up maybe Top 30 production). If he didnt draw so much attention to himself, and you had never heard of him before you would probably call him just a JAG.

[7footer]

New England has earned the slack they get right now, but if they continue to falter in the post season they too will come down off the pedestal.

That is the nature of the media. Put someone on a pedestal so they can be torn down. Happens in music, movies, TV, and sports.

New England is on the perch and rightfully so. The Hoodie is the best coach in the game right now. But it still comes down to the fact that Dallas has been ripped more for going 13-3 and losing to the Giants in round 1 than New England ever will be for going one better at 14-2 and losing in round 1 last year.

Tennessee, San Diego, and Indianapolis have all gone one and out in the post season in recent years after a 13-3 or better season. Cowboys fans are too focused on their own misery to notice that other teams go through the exact same struggles.

They miss on draft picks. They make bad trades. They miss on Free Agents. They cut someone to save money that they previously gave a lot of money to.

Every team is in that same boat. But a lot of people do not want to hear that. They need a pacifier that simply says Jerry is the problem and if he was gone we'd win every Super Bowl with a great GM.

The problem with that is it is a fairy tale. We need a GM who gets talent on the roster and that is happening. It didn't always on Jerry's watch. But it is now.

The rest is up to the coaches and the players. It takes some luck too.


You summed it up beautifully right there! And I couldn't agree more about the myth of Jerry being our scourge. As I'm sure you would agree, living in Arizona with the Cardinals will make you appreciate just how lucky we Cowboys' fans are to have such a passionate owner. As a GM he has made his share of mistakes, but he also has three rings to his credit; and after a disappointing decade or so, we now appear to be back on the right track *crosses fingers*.

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Great addition. Ocho isn't quite what he used to be, but he's still the Pats best recieving option.