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Cowboys22

07-31-2011, 07:58 AM

I'm glad they didn't go after Huff. The first rule of free agency is "stay away from former high picks who were busts until their contract year." If you give big money to players who only played well in their contract year, you should fully expect to get the player he was before the contract year. Once he gets his money, he will go back to his old habits.

AMERICAS_FAN

07-31-2011, 08:00 AM

All this "inside" info this past offseason that this was pretty much a done deal with the Cowboys....

Looks like the Cowboys had absolutely no interest at all.

Possibly, or the price exceeded the interest. I wonder what Huff got, just to see what Dallas might now offer Elam.

JBell523

07-31-2011, 08:02 AM

Possibly, or the price exceeded the interest. I wonder what Huff got, just to see what Dallas might now offer Elam.

same here.

big dog cowboy

07-31-2011, 08:07 AM

So much for the "it's a given he is coming to Dallas" statement I kept reading all off season.

Ren

07-31-2011, 08:08 AM

Can't believe it's come to this, a Abram Elam or bust sig sighting :laugh2:^^

Avenging Hayseed

07-31-2011, 08:08 AM

Have a feeling that Elam and Pool will be our starters this season, with AOA playing somewhat of a role also. I myself would be pretty happy with that.

Bowdown27

07-31-2011, 08:09 AM

Great safety market drying up. Soon well be getting tweets about how donte Whitner has talked to Dave campo

pupulehaole

07-31-2011, 08:09 AM

All I know is the Cowboys/Rob Ryan didn't want him so I'm fine with this.

Ren

07-31-2011, 08:10 AM

Great safety market drying up. Soon well be getting tweets about how donte Whitner has talked to Dave campo

He can't cover, in other words perfect fit for Dallas

BrAinPaiNt

07-31-2011, 08:12 AM

Never got the Huff love...apparently neither did Rob Ryan.

JohnsKey19

07-31-2011, 08:17 AM

If we were ever interested in Goldson, Huff re-signing in Oakland is a plus as Oakland and San Fran were reportedly his two main suitors from the outset. I know nothing about our level of interest in him but IMO he's the best safety out there and is still relatively young at 26.

TheCount

07-31-2011, 08:23 AM

How in the blue blazes did we end up in this position, AGAIN?!

Hell, let's start AOA and Church, how bad could they be? I'm all for the youth movement.

Ren

07-31-2011, 08:24 AM

How in the blue blazes did we end up in this position, AGAIN?!

http://www.6magazineonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/78922534_2_.jpg

cwboy1

07-31-2011, 08:27 AM

:lmao2: http://www.6magazineonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/78922534_2_.jpg

Hostile

07-31-2011, 08:31 AM

Gotta admit, this one shocks me. His price must have been up there because he wanted to come here a lot.

TheCount

07-31-2011, 08:32 AM

Gotta admit, this one shocks me. His price must have been up there because he wanted to come here a lot.

Price wouldn't matter I'd the team wasn't interested, I suspect we'll find the numbers to have been within our range.

jblaze2004

07-31-2011, 08:32 AM

.........

My Da raiders....lol

Hostile

07-31-2011, 08:35 AM

Price wouldn't matter I'd the team wasn't interested, I suspect we'll find the numbers to have been within our range.There's no proof we weren't interested. We may have been interested at the right price.

AMERICAS_FAN

07-31-2011, 08:37 AM

How in the blue blazes did we end up in this position, AGAIN?!

Hell, let's start AOA and Church, how bad could they be? I'm all for the youth movement.

Because you find your stud players in the draft, not by breaking your bank in free agency. We had needs at OL and drafted a stud T. So now we go to free agency for S, with a modest pickup so that we're not prohibited from drafting a s, or CB for that matter, in next year's draft.

So the goal now is to bring in Elam, and maybe resign Sensy, on a short term basis and without overspending for them.

JBell523

07-31-2011, 08:37 AM

Some interesting tweets from Broaddus. Sounds like we were interested.

http://i53.tinypic.com/2mo9r7r.png

JPM

07-31-2011, 08:37 AM

Never got the Huff love...apparently neither did Rob Ryan.

Gotta admit, this one shocks me. His price must have been up there because he wanted to come here a lot.
If Ryan benched him in Oakland I can see why they might not have been interested.

Hostile

07-31-2011, 08:42 AM

If Ryan benched him in Oakland I can see why they might not have been interested.I think we were. In fact, I'm pretty sure of it.

TheCount

07-31-2011, 08:42 AM

There's no proof we weren't interested. We may have been interested at the right price.

Like I said yesterday, if we were ready to spend 10+ mil on one CB, I can't imagine why we wouldn't be ready to spend similar for two players at a position of greater need, if we were interested.

Maybe Huff's deal is 10 mil a year, but I doubt it.

ZeroClub

07-31-2011, 08:43 AM

Apparently the "it's a done deal" talk was based on Huff's enthusiasm for Dallas. It is clear that the Cowboys aren't big fans of Huff.

Jerry needs to stop fishing for safeties and start signing them.

Wrangler87

07-31-2011, 08:44 AM

All this "inside" info this past offseason that this was pretty much a done deal with the Cowboys....

Looks like the Cowboys had absolutely no interest at all.

Looks like the Cowboys have had absolutely no interest at all in free agency.

TheCount

07-31-2011, 08:47 AM

Because you find your stud players in the draft, not by breaking your bank in free agency. We had needs at OL and drafted a stud T. So now we go to free agency for S, with a modest pickup so that we're not prohibited from drafting a s, or CB for that matter, in next year's draft.

So the goal now is to bring in Elam, and maybe resign Sensy, on a short term basis and without overspending for them.

Yup, always next year.

rat2k8

07-31-2011, 09:21 AM

Can't believe it's come to this, a Abram Elam or bust sig sighting :laugh2:^^

Don't like neither of them, they already missed out on the cream of the crop. Cowboys should just go with what they got for this year. They have an 8-8 or 9 and 7 team at best. Next year maybe Jerry can use his credit card.

Chocolate Lab

07-31-2011, 09:25 AM

Meh, this one doesn't bother me at all. Don't think we were ever that interested... Well, obviously we weren't.

casmith07

07-31-2011, 09:27 AM

Must have been the asking price as to why he didn't come here...like Hos, I had it on pretty good authority that the interest was mutual.

BIGDen

07-31-2011, 09:28 AM

Can't say that I'm crying over this. I was very into signing Huff a while back, but you never like hearing the type of stuff Sapp had to say about him (even if Sapp is an idiot). Also didn't like that Huff seemed to "turn it on" over the past couple of years when a payday was looming (but maybe he just improved). I can't say I really know enough about the guy to be happy or upset about this news. Obviously our choices are decreasing. Sign Elam and Sensy and let's be done with this safety search. We seem to be signing solid players at reasonable prices overall (except Free who still was somewhat reasonable considering the market). 2 safeties and an OG would allow us to field a very competitive team IMO. I'm trying not to aknowledge JJ's comments about not signing an OL. I can't see Garrett being ok with a rookie and Holland manning our right side. That's very risky IMO.

RoyTheHammer

07-31-2011, 09:44 AM

Great safety market drying up. Soon well be getting tweets about how donte Whitner has talked to Dave campo

Great safety market?

Can you tell me who the great safeties were, please?

rocyaice

07-31-2011, 09:48 AM

Great safety market?

Can you tell me who the great safeties were, please?

Yea there's only about 4 or 5 GREAT safety's in the NFL and I didn't see anyone of them in free agency this year. Eric Weddle, Michael Huff, etc. aren't GREAT SAFETY's. They are decent second to third tier safety's.

Ken

07-31-2011, 09:51 AM

CATCH17

07-31-2011, 09:51 AM

Must have been the asking price as to why he didn't come here...like Hos, I had it on pretty good authority that the interest was mutual.

Yeah he probably wanted minimum wage and it was too much for Jerry.

unionjack8

07-31-2011, 09:55 AM

two words

DASHON GOLDSON

rocyaice

07-31-2011, 09:57 AM

This is disappointing. He, to me, represented one of the final shots at getting better this year.

Now we are looking at JAGS. We are going to be roughly fielding the same jokers who quit early in the season last year. Joy.

Michael Huff is a JAG though. Why break the bank for a JAG? The only reason I wanted him here was his age and I felt he still had room to get better. But as of right now? He's not any better than Elam is and i've been far more impressed with Elam at safety throughout his career than I have with Huff. Its a telling sign that he re-signed with a team he didn't want to play for.

ZeroClub

07-31-2011, 09:58 AM

Great safety market?

Can you tell me who the great safeties were, please?
It is a great market for average safeties. Several are/were available.

RoyTheHammer

07-31-2011, 09:59 AM

Yeah he probably wanted minimum wage and it was too much for Jerry.

Yup.. because if Jerry is known for anything.. its being cheap!

:rolleyes:

Couldn't be that we just weren't interested in the guy, right?

Ken

07-31-2011, 10:00 AM

Michael Huff is a JAG though. Why break the bank for a JAG? The only reason I wanted him here was his age and I felt he still had room to get better. But as of right now? He's not any better than Elam is and i've been far more impressed with Elam at safety throughout his career than I have with Huff. Its a telling sign that he re-signed with a team he didn't want to play for.
4 sacks, 4 picks, and 2nd on the team in tackles is not just a JAG. You may be right that there was more to it than that, but we don't know what he signed for.

Money talks....he probably got a good deal from the raiders. If he didn't, then you are right.

Not to mention that no one knows Huff better than the Raiders and they thought he was a priority to resign.

RoyTheHammer

07-31-2011, 10:00 AM

It is a great market for average safeties. Several are/were available.

lol

True story.. and exactly why we haven't signed anyone yet.

GloryDaysRBack

07-31-2011, 10:02 AM

Anyone know the specifics of this deal?

CATCH17

07-31-2011, 10:05 AM

Anyone know the specifics of this deal?

4 years - Free

Jerry couldn't match.

RoyTheHammer

07-31-2011, 10:06 AM

4 sacks, 4 picks, and 2nd on the team in tackles is not just a JAG. You may be right that there was more to it than that, but we don't know what he signed for.

Money talks....he probably got a good deal from the raiders. If he didn't, then you are right.

Please stop saying JAG.. everyone. It means nothing.

Huff isn't a great safety. He is obviously someone we didn't have much interest in based on the reports and i wouldn't overpay for him at all. He had 3 picks btw.. and other than his contract year, he has been a bust.

Ken

07-31-2011, 10:18 AM

Please stop saying JAG.. everyone. It means nothing.

Huff isn't a great safety. He is obviously someone we didn't have much interest in based on the reports and i wouldn't overpay for him at all. He had 3 picks btw.. and other than his contract year, he has been a bust.

JAG = Just a Guy. It means something.

If we didn't have interest in Huff, then we are idiots. I apologize if our backups to scrubs at the safety position don't give me warm and fuzzies for this year.

You are correct, 3 picks. He also had 94 tackles and 3 ff. Again...he was resigned by his team, hardly indicitive of someone who was a bust.

rocyaice

07-31-2011, 10:28 AM

4 sacks, 4 picks, and 2nd on the team in tackles is not just a JAG. You may be right that there was more to it than that, but we don't know what he signed for.

Money talks....he probably got a good deal from the raiders. If he didn't, then you are right.

Not to mention that no one knows Huff better than the Raiders and they thought he was a priority to resign.

Yea but when you watch him play he's "just a guy". Especially on the 4 picks. They were Alan Ball-esque INT's. And don't get me wrong. I'm not gonna play the bitter fan and say I didn't want him just because he didn't sign with us. I wanted him. Not as bad as Nnamdi but I wanted him. But as of right now I think with our new coordinator and pass rush that Elam can be just as effective for our defense as Huff would've been.

ThreeSportStar80

07-31-2011, 10:30 AM

Yes, he's way overrated... Wanted too much money.

Alexander

07-31-2011, 10:31 AM

There's no proof we weren't interested. We may have been interested at the right price.

There is also no proof we were. Especially in a player Ryan benched. There is "proof" of that.

JPM

07-31-2011, 10:35 AM

two words

DASHON GOLDSON
I'm starting to warm to the idea.

Alexander

07-31-2011, 10:38 AM

A few weeks ago when people were convinced it was inevitable he would be a Cowboy, he was a great addition.

Now, overrated, JAG, etc.

Funny, but par for the course.

CCBoy

07-31-2011, 10:39 AM

Well, I wish that Stephen would quickly work some of his type of wizardry...as the Jets are coming up the pike. They have both a pair of quality wide receivers with the signing of Plaxico Burress today...and will also probably have a very good set of tight ends if Heap ends up there, likely.

After weathering that, Philadellphia, a loaded Eagle's team, is coming up the pike as well.

JBell523

07-31-2011, 10:40 AM

A few weeks ago when people were convinced it was inevitable he would be a Cowboy, he was a great addition.

Now, overrated, JAG, etc.

Funny, but par for the course.

<insert player the Cowboys missed out on here>

and the same applies.

Idgit

07-31-2011, 10:42 AM

I'm starting to warm to the idea.

He's a better fit for us than Huff was, anyway. He'll want to get paid, though.

chuffly

07-31-2011, 10:52 AM

There was something a little worrying about watching a highlight clip of one of Huff's interceptions where a graphic flashes up showing that it's his first one in 26 games.

That's a number that Ken Hamlin could be proud of.

DFWJC

07-31-2011, 11:11 AM

So much for the "it's a given he is coming to Dallas" statement I kept reading all off season.
:laugh2:
Yeah, it showed up a lot here. Some assumed we had a big interest in him (and were willing o overpay) jsut b/c he wanted to come here.

On the outside, I heard otherwise through the entire process except for a few minor occassions.

I asked this before: was anyone alrmed by how Sapp said it made him want to throw up watching how weak Huff was in practice? It was just one opinion, but that was alarming how he put it.

Oh_Canada

07-31-2011, 11:29 AM

:laugh2:
Yeah, it showed up a lot here. Some assumed we had a big interest in him (and were willing o overpay) jsut b/c he wanted to come here.

On the outside, I heard otherwise through the entire process except for a few minor occassions.

I asked this before: was anyone alrmed by how Sapp said it made him want to throw up watching how weak Huff was in practice? It was just one opinion, but that was alarming how he put it.

Wow....looks like we're stuck with a combo of Elam, a UDFA (Church), and a guy who barely played safety in college....sounds promising.

DFWJC

07-31-2011, 11:30 AM

Wow....looks like we're stuck with a combo of Elam, a UDFA (Church), and a guy who barely played safety in college....sounds promising.
It's alarming for sure.

Doomsday

07-31-2011, 11:31 AM

I think it's obvious that Dallas wasn't interested. Huff was practically throwing himself at the Cowboys.

Yep, I guess it is looking more and more like Elam and Sensy.

Double Trouble

07-31-2011, 11:32 AM

There is also no proof we were. Especially in a player Ryan benched. There is "proof" of that.

:laugh2:

rocyaice

07-31-2011, 11:34 AM

A few weeks ago when people were convinced it was inevitable he would be a Cowboy, he was a great addition.

Now, overrated, JAG, etc.

Funny, but par for the course.

Oh don't get it twisted. He would be a great addition. Alan Ball or Michael Huff? Hmm..... But fact remains he is just a guy. But just a guy for the right price helps this secondary.

TheFinisher

07-31-2011, 11:35 AM

Alexander

07-31-2011, 11:37 AM

I asked this before: was anyone alrmed by how Sapp said it made him want to throw up watching how weak Huff was in practice? It was just one opinion, but that was alarming how he put it.

That was just blown off as Sapp being a "hater" and a "mediot".

Nevermind that Ryan was at those practices too. But he just had to have a different opinion because Huff really really really wanted to come here.

DFWJC

07-31-2011, 11:42 AM

The thing I don't understand is that after the draft this year when we were all concerned that we didn't draft a safety high, Jerry assured all of us not too worry. I believe his exact words were "This isn't the only way to improve your team, there is still FA"... so I was OK with the BPA approach because I was assured we would address Safety in FA. How the heck did that not happen? Everyone and their mother knew we couldn't go into the season without an upgrade at safety.
I had us taking Rahim Moore in the second round instead of Carter (and I'm a UNC grad)....though I'm not sure that any rookie saftey could come in after the lockout and help until very late in the season.
I don't really know.
I do know the upside is huge for Carter, but I really did think we'd grab a safety with the 2nd pick.

Idgit

07-31-2011, 11:44 AM

A few weeks ago when people were convinced it was inevitable he would be a Cowboy, he was a great addition.

Now, overrated, JAG, etc.

Funny, but par for the course.

These arguments kill me. Find examples of specific posters talking out of both sides of their mouth, fine. Good point.

Commenting on the fact that a message board contains differing opinions on a player and concluding that it's the entire board that's changing its mind? Give me a break.

There were plenty of people who weren't enthusiastic about Huff. The guy was going to be expensive, and had been benched previously by our own DC. The fact that they're cropping up in threads like this one shouldn't surprise anyone, and it's not evidence of Cowboy fans being fickle.

TheFinisher

07-31-2011, 11:46 AM

I had us taking Rahim Moore in the second round instead of Carter (and I'm a UNC grad)....though I'm not sure that any rookie saftey could come in after the lockout and help until very late in the season.
I don't really know.
I do know the upside is huge for Carter, but I really did think we'd grab a safety with the 2nd pick.

It's not even about Carter, I like him a lot and think he brings much needed athleticism to our ILBs. The problem is that the team made it sound like "don't worry about about us avoiding safety in the draft, we'll do it in FA"... and the time has come and passed. There were some really good options out there, even going back to Atogwe signing with the Skins before the lockout. Plenty of opportunities to upgrade the position via FA, and yet we dropped the ball totally.

Ugh.

theogt

07-31-2011, 11:47 AM

This is starting to get worrisome.

DFWJC

07-31-2011, 11:48 AM

That was just blown off as Sapp being a "hater" and a "mediot".

Nevermind that Ryan was at those practices too. But he just had to have a different opinion because Huff really really really wanted to come here.
Exactly.

Plus, maybe some here should be reminded that Warren Sapp is, as he has said several times including earlier this week, "a Cowboy fan from cradle to grave".

RoyTheHammer

07-31-2011, 11:54 AM

JAG = Just a Guy. It means something.

If we didn't have interest in Huff, then we are idiots. I apologize if our backups to scrubs at the safety position don't give me warm and fuzzies for this year.

You are correct, 3 picks. He also had 94 tackles and 3 ff. Again...he was resigned by his team, hardly indicitive of someone who was a bust.

The fact that he lasted this long into FA before his team finally resigned him shows that he wasn't a "must sign" player for them. He could have easily been snatched up by now, except that.. no one wants him.

He's simply not that good. Again, he had a good contract year, most players do. Other than that he's been a complete bust, and i think its pretty clear we weren't interested.

JAG is just a term people who think they know football like to use alot. Nothing more. Everyone on a football team has a role that the team feels they have the best chance of executing for them, no one is there just to take up space.

bbgun

07-31-2011, 11:54 AM

This is starting to get worrisome.

If a few more safeties go elsewhere, a mediocrity like Elam will have us by the balls.

Idgit

07-31-2011, 11:57 AM

This is starting to get worrisome.

We've probably got the remaining S in a bunch in terms of our evaluations. Hoping that over time the price comes down. Once the last few start dropping, we'll very likely overpay for one of the guys we like.

The bigger question I have is whether or not we're interested in more than one S. We should be. I think Elam's probably one of our guys, but I wonder who the second one could be.

InmanRoshi

07-31-2011, 11:59 AM

By all accouts Ryan's system is built on disguised coverages in the secondary, meaning it's extremely complex for safeties. They're going to bring in guys who can hit the ground running, especially with no minicamps or OTAs. I'm pretty certain, along with Elam, Brodney Pool is also one of the targets. Jets wanted to bring him back, but evidently he's wanting to get paid. I bet Cowboys are willing to wait it out to see if his asking price goes down as the market dries up and he gets further behind players who are currently in camp and practicing. Since he's already played in the defense several years, the Cowboys don't have to rush to bring him in.

Hoofbite

07-31-2011, 12:02 PM

I wanna see the numbers. I have a feeling people will be pissed Dallas didn't pay it.

Alexander

07-31-2011, 12:06 PM

Exactly.

Plus, maybe some here should be reminded that Warren Sapp is, as he has said several times including earlier this week, "a Cowboy fan from cradle to grave".

It is nothing new. You actually still have people commenting how Troy Aikman is anti-Cowboys any time he says something remotely negative.

It is just simple, say something nice, they become insightful. Say something that disparges the team, they instantly become lumped in as an irrational "hater".

The same labeling applies to fans/posters. It is unbelievably moronic.

Alexander

07-31-2011, 12:07 PM

I wanna see the numbers. I have a feeling people will be pissed Dallas didn't pay it.

Not me. I don't care if he's playing for free. Never liked him and I certainly wouldn't expect Ryan to sign someone he didn't care for either.

rocyaice

07-31-2011, 12:09 PM

Not me. I don't care if he's playing for free. Never liked him and I certainly wouldn't expect Ryan to sign someone he didn't care for either.

Didn't he have Huff as like a rookie or a second year pro lol? The guy was a baby in this league.

RoyTheHammer

07-31-2011, 12:10 PM

Didn't he have Huff as like a rookie or a second year pro lol? The guy was a baby in this league.

Hasn't grown much either.

TheFinisher

07-31-2011, 12:12 PM

Hasn't grown much either.

Um, he was 2nd team all pro last year?

RoyTheHammer

07-31-2011, 12:17 PM

Um, he was 2nd team all pro last year?

Its been established he played well in his contract year. What did he do before that?

TheFinisher

07-31-2011, 12:19 PM

Its been established he played well in his contract year. What did he do before that?

He had a very good 2009 year as well.

The Raiders are very happy to have him back, Huff turned the corner 2 years ago. He obviously has grown from his first 2 years in the league

Alexander

07-31-2011, 12:21 PM

Didn't he have Huff as like a rookie or a second year pro lol? The guy was a baby in this league.
It still would not excuse poor practice habits and laziness like Sapp described.

It is one thing to be green. It is another to simply not care. If Ryan saw that, nobody should be shocked we showed no tangible interest.

Alexander

07-31-2011, 12:22 PM

He had a very good 2009 year as well.

The Raiders are very happy to have him back, Huff turned the corner 2 years ago. He obviously has grown from his first 2 years in the league
His growth also coincided with contract years. Hard to believe but true.

RoyTheHammer

07-31-2011, 12:23 PM

He had a very good 2009 year as well.

The Raiders are very happy to have him back, Huff turned the corner 2 years ago. He obviously has grown from his first 2 years in the league

59 tackles 3 picks and half a sack isn't very good. Also, he seems like he guesses alot and gets beat too.

The Raiders waited this long to resign him, he could have very easily been swooped out of their hands by now. Im sure they are going to say they are happy to have him back, but it clearly shows he wasn't a must sign for them.

TheFinisher

07-31-2011, 12:30 PM

His growth also coincided with contract years. Hard to believe but true.

I was just responding to this:

Hasn't grown much either.

Because he obviously has grown as a player. Whether or not you want to speculate it was because those 2 years were leading up to his contract year is beyond the point.

He's a better player than when Ryan coached him.

sadams

07-31-2011, 12:40 PM

I am all for signing an OC or OG vet. I'm not worried about safety. Pressure will make all safeties look like ed reed IMO.

CowboyMcCoy

07-31-2011, 01:30 PM

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Oakland dives into free agency and lands a familiar face: Raiders reached agreement with their safety Michael Huff.

Oh, well. I hope we do have a plan. I hope we end up making a trade or landing a solid vet.

FuzzyLumpkins

07-31-2011, 01:35 PM

It still would not excuse poor practice habits and laziness like Sapp described.

It is one thing to be green. It is another to simply not care. If Ryan saw that, nobody should be shocked we showed no tangible interest.

yup and if Jason Garrett is genuine about how he defines 'the right kind of guy' then we would have never considered him.

theogt

07-31-2011, 01:38 PM

He had a very good 2009 year as well.

The Raiders are very happy to have him back, Huff turned the corner 2 years ago. He obviously has grown from his first 2 years in the leagueYup, his last two seasons were very good, not just his contract season.

His first three seasons weren't good, his last two seasons were. That seems pretty normal trajectory for a player. You can't really say it's due to a contract year in that case.

RoyTheHammer

07-31-2011, 01:43 PM

Yup, his last two seasons were very good, not just his contract season.

His first three seasons weren't good, his last two seasons were. That seems pretty normal trajectory for a player. You can't really say it's due to a contract year in that case.

Again, 55 tackles, half a sack, and 3 picks. I wouldn't call that very good.

If that's the case, there are about 30 very good safeties in the NFL

TheFinisher

07-31-2011, 01:46 PM

Again, 55 tackles, half a sack, and 3 picks. I wouldn't call that very good.

If that's the case, there are about 30 very good safeties in the NFL

Come on man, you're going to judge his play off of stats?

ethiostar

07-31-2011, 01:48 PM

Well, I guess its possible that Jerry and co are pursuing a safety through a trade of some sort.

theogt

07-31-2011, 01:48 PM

Again, 55 tackles, half a sack, and 3 picks. I wouldn't call that very good.

If that's the case, there are about 30 very good safeties in the NFLI don't look at tackles, sacks, and INTs as a judge of a safety, though, so......

In 2009, Huff was targeted 35 times, gave up 16 catches (45.7% completion), 250 yards, 0 TDs, 3 INTs, and 11 PDs.

His opponents' QB rating when targeting him was 34.2.

Yeah, those are good statistics.

RoyTheHammer

07-31-2011, 01:50 PM

I don't look at tackles, sacks, and INTs as a judge of a safety, though, so......

What do you look at, since you don't watch him play every game?

I was told he had a great year because he had 95 tackles 3 picks and 4 sacks.

My response was the year before he didn't come close to those numbers. It shows how many plays he's in on if nothing else.

theogt

07-31-2011, 01:51 PM

What do you look at, since you don't watch him play every game?See my edit of the post. This:

In 2009, Huff was targeted 35 times, gave up 16 catches (45.7% completion), 250 yards, 0 TDs, 3 INTs, and 11 PDs.

His opponents' QB rating when targeting him was 34.2.

Yeah, those are good statistics.

I was told he had a great year because he had 95 tackles 3 picks and 4 sacks.

My response was the year before he didn't come close to those numbers. It shows how many plays he's in on if nothing else.Anyone that looks at tackles and sacks for a safety as a judge of how good of a season they had doesn't know anything about football.

RoyTheHammer

07-31-2011, 01:54 PM

See my edit of the post. This:

Anyone that looks at tackles and sacks for a safety as a judge of how good of a season they had doesn't know anything about football.

Those are seemingly good numbers.. on the other hand Nnamdi was targeted 30 times in 2009 and gave up 21 completions for over 300 yards and 3 TD's.

So we see how those numbers, by themselves, arn't indicitive of how good a player really is.

RoyTheHammer

07-31-2011, 01:55 PM

See my edit of the post. This:

Anyone that looks at tackles and sacks for a safety as a judge of how good of a season they had doesn't know anything about football.

Actually, tackles, sacks, int's, pd's, etc.. are all stats than can be combined to get a good picture of how many plays a safety made.

How many plays they made is just one part of what i would use to judge how well a safety played, but it still has importance.

theogt

07-31-2011, 01:55 PM

Those are seemingly good numbers.. on the other hand Nnamdi was targeted 30 times in 2009 and gave up 21 completions for over 300 yards and 3 TD's.

So we see how those numbers, by themselves, arn't indicitive of how good a player really is.Actually, those numbers are highly indicative of how good a player he really is. You can compare his numbers to safeties across the league. He was a top 2-3 safety in 2009.

theogt

07-31-2011, 01:56 PM

Actually, tackles, sacks, int's, pd's, etc.. are all stats than can be combined to get a good picture of how many plays a safety made.

How many plays they made is just one part of what i would use to judge how well a safety played, but it still has importance.Again, if you're looking at tackles and sacks as a judge of safety play, you're CLUELESS about football.

Literally clueless. As in, go take up badminton.

RoyTheHammer

07-31-2011, 02:01 PM

Actually, those numbers are highly indicative of how good a player he really is. You can compare his numbers to safeties across the league. He was a top 2-3 safety in 2009.

Nnamdi's completion percentage against and yards per completion along with allowing a TD every 7 receptions arn't good at all. Looking at those you'd think he wasn't a good CB.

That's why i said those numbers, by themselves, arn't always indicative of how good a player is.

RoyTheHammer

07-31-2011, 02:01 PM

Again, if you're looking at tackles and sacks as a judge of safety play, you're CLUELESS about football.

Literally clueless. As in, go take up badminton.

That's not what i said, but they should be included in any overall judgement of a player.

theogt

07-31-2011, 02:03 PM

Nnamdi's completion percentage against and yards per completion along with allowing a TD every 7 receptions arn't good at all. Looking at those you'd think he wasn't a good CB.

That's why i said those numbers, by themselves, arn't always indicative of how good a player is.You can't be serious. If you look at Nnamdi's 2009 numbers and think "oh that makes him look like a bad CB", then you have no idea what you're looking at or looking for.

RoyTheHammer

07-31-2011, 02:06 PM

You can't be serious. If you look at Nnamdi's 2009 numbers and think "oh that makes him look like a bad CB", then you have no idea what you're looking at or looking for.

He gave up a TD every 7 receptions he allowed and allowed a 70 percent completion percentage against him along with 17 yards per completion.

If you looked at those numbers and didn't know who we were talking about, you would think that's a terrible CB.

theogt

07-31-2011, 02:16 PM

He gave up a TD every 7 receptions he allowed and allowed a 70 percent completion percentage against him along with 17 yards per completion.

If you looked at those numbers and didn't know who we were talking about, you would think that's a terrible CB.You can't be serious. If you look at Nnamdi's 2009 numbers and think "oh that makes him look like a bad CB", then you have no idea what you're looking at or looking for.Yup...

RoyTheHammer

07-31-2011, 02:20 PM

Yup...

Funny how you pointed out the same set of numbers when you brought up Huff's stats though..

Hmm.. ;)

theogt

07-31-2011, 02:31 PM

Funny how you pointed out the same set of numbers when you brought up Huff's stats though..

Hmm.. ;)I think you're having a hard time following the conversation.

CowboyMcCoy

07-31-2011, 02:33 PM

Again, if you're looking at tackles and sacks as a judge of safety play, you're CLUELESS about football.

Literally clueless. As in, go take up badminton.

Agreed.

RoyTheHammer

07-31-2011, 04:10 PM

I think you're having a hard time following the conversation.

I believe you brought up Huff's completion percentage against and how many TD's were scored against him in your stats about how he played well. I bought up the same things and you said "that doesn't matter, you don't know what you're talking about".

Im well aware how you like to feel smarter than others on here at times, but its the same set of stats. How many times he was targeted, how many completions were allowed, what percentage of completions were allowed, how many TD's, etc, etc..

cowboyuptx

07-31-2011, 04:52 PM

**** that!

This is the ONLY guy I wanted in FA!

The safety positions have been holding our team back for as long as I can remember.

Huff's not an elite guy, but he's light years ahead of guys like Ball, Church, AOA, etc............................................... ... ****!!!

Wake up to the Globalist agenda!

BraveHeartFan

07-31-2011, 04:55 PM

Great safety market?

Can you tell me who the great safeties were, please?

I took that to mean more that he's saying Great....the safety market is drying up.

He just didn't put it out the way I think he intended to.

2233boys

08-04-2011, 08:45 PM

Gotta admit, this one shocks me. His price must have been up there because he wanted to come here a lot.

Not surprised Dallas didn't take him. Ryan benched him when he was his coach