View Full Version : Now that Sharper is w/ the Vikes...
crakinskulls
03-13-2005, 12:38 PM
What are we gonna do about the FS position? Let P. hunter take teh responsibility, sure hope not. Are we just going to wait for the Draft, nothing really their either. Is their going to be anyone worth trying to sighn through FA. Anyone have any info or input on this??
SuperSafety_31
03-13-2005, 12:42 PM
What are we gonna do about the FS position? Let P. hunter take teh responsibility, sure hope not. Are we just going to wait for the Draft, nothing really their either. Is their going to be anyone worth trying to sighn through FA. Anyone have any info or input on this??
I say go with Hunter, Adams and Bullocks in the 2nd round.
WoodysGirl
03-13-2005, 12:46 PM
I say go with Hunter, Adams and Bullocks in the 2nd round.
Depends on whether that 2nd goes to N.O. and what kinda maneuvering they'll have to do to get a 2nd back. However, I do think the 'boys are gonna draft a FS regardless of when the guy is drafted.
SuperSafety_31
03-13-2005, 12:47 PM
Depends on whether that 2nd goes to N.O. and what kinda maneuvering they'll have to do to get a 2nd back. However, I do think the 'boys are gonna draft a FS regardless of when the guy is drafted.
That is true but at this moment they still have their 2nd.
Gibby!
03-13-2005, 12:56 PM
If he can put on some weight, let him go for it. He's kind of light for Safety. Look at his stats from last year, in two games he performed fairly well imo.
Displaced Cowboy
03-13-2005, 01:12 PM
I'm a strong advocate for letting hunter/davis battle it out.
I feel Hunter will be a good safety.
JackMagist
03-13-2005, 01:24 PM
I'm a strong advocate for letting hunter/davis battle it out.
I feel Hunter will be a good safety.I agree but I would still like to see us pick up Bullocks if we can swing it and throw him into the mix. Hunter is injury prone and Davis is undersized. I have no problem with the undersized aspect being a firm subscriber to the "it's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog" school of thought. But BP has made it clear that he has a preoccupation with size (I'll leave it to others to speculate on what he might be compensating for) so I have my doubts that Davis will get a fair shot. Therefore I would like to see us with a legitimate prospect to fill that spot who does not have any injury issues or size issues, and that would be Bullocks.
Sandman52
03-13-2005, 06:11 PM
It will be Law. That's why he's lying low. lol
I'm a strong advocate for letting hunter/davis battle it out.
I feel Hunter will be a good safety.
Hunter is not an answer. He did sub par at CB. He's not a FS.
Lets get a true FS in here?
jimmy40
03-13-2005, 06:25 PM
Hunter is not an answer. He did sub par at CB. He's not a FS.
Lets get a true FS in here?No kidding Nors. When Hunter had the opportunity to tackle before he got hurt, he sure didn't seem to enjoy it much.
What's the book on Thomas Davis? I'm not generally "for" drafting another safety high, but if he's a highly thought of player and would really round off our defense, then I'd be for it. Is he just considered the best of a poor class, or is he a genuine top-notch free safety?
InmanRoshi
03-13-2005, 06:31 PM
He's a top notch safety, but he's a Roy Williams clone. 6'1" 230 lbs, and evidently a lot of teams are projecting him as a persuit weakside linebacker.
He's a top notch safety, but he's a Roy Williams clone. 6'1" 230 lbs, and evidently a lot of teams are looking at him as a linebacker.
Ack. For some reason I thought he was supposed to be of the "true" free safety mold. Are there any of those in this draft?
InmanRoshi
03-13-2005, 06:34 PM
Brodney Poole, who's kind of a Deion Grant clone. And Josh Bullocks, who's kindof a Ed Reed clone. Both are 2nd round prospects.
Natedawg44
03-13-2005, 06:36 PM
Just two weeks ago Nors you were pushing for a player that could play CB/S like Marlin Jackson or Corey Webster just interested what made you back off of that coarse of thinking. I'd rather see someone like Brandon Browner in the second that a "true FS" like Brodney Pool.
hendog
03-13-2005, 06:39 PM
What's the book on Thomas Davis? I'm not generally "for" drafting another safety high, but if he's a highly thought of player and would really round off our defense, then I'd be for it. Is he just considered the best of a poor class, or is he a genuine top-notch free safety?
All I know is I saw Corey Chavous on TV and they were asking him about the players at the top of his draft board and he said that he would pick Thomas Davis #1 overall. I know this sounds crazy but that's what he said. For those of you who don't know, CC is a highly regarded draft guru who instensly studies the prospects after his season is over. I remember last year @ the draft they did a peice on him and the amount of film he studied on the draftees and it was unbelievable. Take it for what it's worth, just another man's opinion. But he ought to know alittle about playing ball and safety.
All that aside I think he is a true SS prospect.
InmanRoshi
03-13-2005, 06:49 PM
Interesting you brought up Chavous .. there's some talk that he'll be released since the Vikes signed Sharper.
All I know is I saw Corey Chavous on TV and they were asking him about the players at the top of his draft board and he said that he would pick Thomas Davis #1 overall. I know this sounds crazy but that's what he said. For those of you who don't know, CC is a highly regarded draft guru who instensly studies the prospects after his season is over. I remember last year @ the draft they did a peice on him and the amount of film he studied on the draftees and it was unbelievable. Take it for what it's worth, just another man's opinion. But he ought to know alittle about playing ball and safety.
All that aside I think he is a true SS prospect.
Nice to read that - I only saw 2 Games Davis played. He showed major coverage skills and was a beast all over field. He did play FS in college. The naysayers try and place any 225 pound Safety as SS. Davis can play like FS, and hits a ton. Remember Woodson was a converted LB.
Davis only has 4.55 to 4.6 speed - as did Roy. I have him top 10 on my draft board. He's there ate 20 and book it!
Natedawg44
03-13-2005, 09:42 PM
The more I read about Peter Sands from Central Florida, the more I like him. As of now he is rated as a 4th rounder. I am looking forward to his pro day but at 6'3" 230lbs he has unbelievable size. Since Marlin Jackson and Brandon Browner didn't run as well as expected I wouldn't mind either of those guys if we still have a second rounder, esp. Jackson he looked great at S at Michigan and it would be nice to line him up in the slot if we had to also with his versatility.
mr.jameswoods
03-13-2005, 10:31 PM
Didn't we learn our lesson from last year? You guys seriously want Hunter or some other scrub to play a position that is not even their natural position? That's a recipe for disaster. At the very least, let's draft one in the early rounds
mr.jameswoods
03-13-2005, 10:34 PM
Interesting you brought up Chavous .. there's some talk that he'll be released since the Vikes signed Sharper.
I like Corey Chavous. I followed him closely while he was with the Cardinals and he is indeed a student of the game. Even when he was with Arizona, he was known for being a statistician and watching tons of film.
When he was with AZ, he was a starting corneback. He couldnt' cover well because he lacked speed but he usually made up for it with technique and tackling ability.
I would be all for bringing Chavous here.
SuspectCorner
03-13-2005, 11:16 PM
we can buy some "forgiveness" for the secondary with extra pressure from the front 7.
think passrush first. coverage second.
Gibby!
03-14-2005, 12:40 AM
Didn't we learn our lesson from last year? You guys seriously want Hunter or some other scrub to play a position that is not even their natural position? That's a recipe for disaster. At the very least, let's draft one in the early rounds
How can you judge Hunter a scrub after only two games? Safety Strong or Free isn't that hard to learn. Besides the guy only played in two games and had 6 tackles and an INT.
At least give him the benefit of the doubt and let him go through MC, TC, preseason, and two full NFL games before you tag him bag him and send him Canada fgs!
dallasfaniac
03-14-2005, 01:40 AM
Ralph (Pete) Hunter played FS in 2001, his senior year at Virginia Union.
YEAR GP GS TK SO AS FR FC INT TFL PBU SACK BK
2001 11 11 50 28 22 1 1 11-93 2-3 13 0.0-0 7
Draft Report: Blessed with tremendous quickness and possesses the size teams look for in handling the larger receivers that are featured in the NFL … Recorded 146 tackles (91 solos) in 42 games for the Panthers … Intercepted 20 passes for 282 yards in returns and deflected 36 others … Caused and recovered three fumbles.
Danny White
03-14-2005, 08:40 AM
What are we gonna do about the FS position? Let P. hunter take teh responsibility, sure hope not. Are we just going to wait for the Draft, nothing really their either. Is their going to be anyone worth trying to sighn through FA. Anyone have any info or input on this??
Woody Dantzler? ;)
Corey Chavous when he gets cut
silver
03-14-2005, 11:14 AM
Corey Chavous when he gets cut
If we get him, we'll have two members of the secondary who's had double digit INT's in a single season: Chavous & Henry
Natedawg44
03-17-2005, 08:31 AM
Hunter is not an answer. He did sub par at CB. He's not a FS.
Lets get a true FS in here?
Here it is Nors
Here it is Nors
That was in a SS versus FS discussion.
I consider Ty Law a FS. That makes sense. I'm more nervous about a SS Dixon issue. Law can play FS and transition just fine.
Also on the record:
I do have serious reservations on Hunter at FS! :)
Natedawg44
03-17-2005, 08:51 AM
CB/S is what I think we should absolutely do. I think Davis is too slow for a FS but could be a good OLB/SS, Pool doesn't have the instincts and takes horrible angles. I like Bullocks and Vince Fuller and I am anxious to see what Peter Sands does in his workout as far as "True FS" prospects. This draft however is LOADED with players who could make the transition to safety just as well or easier than Law as a CB/S. Marlin Jackson, Corey Webster and Brandon Browner will be there in the 2nd.
CB/S is what I think we should absolutely do. I think Davis is too slow for a FS but could be a good OLB/SS, Pool doesn't have the instincts and takes horrible angles. I like Bullocks and Vince Fuller and I am anxious to see what Peter Sands does in his workout as far as "True FS" prospects. This draft however is LOADED with players who could make the transition to safety just as well or easier than Law as a CB/S. Marlin Jackson, Corey Webster and Brandon Browner will be there in the 2nd.
MARLIN jACKSON IS THE MOST ATHLETIC OF THE GROUP!
I think Webster is underated. He's played in LSU's Saban's Pro Set defense. Look what undrafted LSU COrner Randall Gay did for Pats. He was on bench behind Webster at LSU.
WoodysGirl
03-17-2005, 09:05 AM
MARLIN jACKSON IS THE MOST ATHLETIC OF THE GROUP!
I think Webster is underated. He's played in LSU's Saban's Pro Set defense. Look what undrafted LSU COrner Randall Gay did for Pats. He was on bench behind Webster at LSU.
On the NFL network combine coverage, they were talking about how Marlin Jackson fits the versatile player profile the Pats like. Where he can play CB and safety. They showed him in some drill (shuttle, I think it was) and he looked very smooth. I liked what I saw.
Sign me up for Bullocks...But mayby Pete Hunter could beat him out. Let the best player win !
On the NFL network combine coverage, they were talking about how Marlin Jackson fits the versatile player profile the Pats like. Where he can play CB and safety. They showed him in some drill (shuttle, I think it was) and he looked very smooth. I liked what I saw.
Kid is a playmaker, He's there in 2 I'd draft him. Its a potential FS that is also a cover corner back there. Depth for injuries as well at corner.
Believe he has serious return skills as well.
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