?.. If BP wins the SB in the next 2 years

[Q_the_man]

Would yall consider him better then Belichek

[ManicDepressiveMan]

Would yall consider him better then Belichek


I'd consider him Reincarnate.

[KingTuna]

A lot of people I know already think he is better than Belichick...Don't forget
Belichick is a Parcells disciple...

[ddh33]

I already consider Parcells better than Belichick. But I would still be surprised if he won a superbowl in the next two years.

I think it's very possible that Dallas wins a superbowl after Bill retires with the players and system that he brought in.

[Q_the_man]

A lot of people I know already thinkhe is better than Belichick...Don't forget
Belichick is a Parcells disciple...Disciple means nothing when u won 3 of 4..... Belichick is a great coach and I do think he is on par with BP and BP did lay the foundation down for NE, so all in all go figure..

I have high expectations for this team next season because player for player on paper we should be around 12-4 next season..

[Fletch]

I already consider Parcells better than Belichick. But I would still be surprised if he won a superbowl in the next two years.

I think it's very possible that Dallas wins a superbowl after Bill retires with the players and system that he brought in.

Me too. But there's always a chance. I would love for the Cowboys to win a Super Bowl under Parcells. We'll see.

If the Cowboys struggle under Parcells this year, I would be surprised to see Parcells finish out his contract. If we go to the playoffs this year, and find some success but end up falling short, as I would expect, then Parcells will most likely go out guns blazing in his final contract year.

[jimmy40]

Would yall consider him better then BelichekWhat if Belichek wins 4 out of 5 Super Bowls before Parcells wins another? If Belichek wins next year with two new coordinators where do you rank him all time?

[UppityCracker2]

... we sign him to an extension.

[dthahn]

Of course Parcells is better. You have to remember, Belichick won with Parcells coaching staff and some of Parcells' players in New England. He has yet to prove he can do it on his own. When Belichick was in Cleveland, he flat out sucked. If Belichick is the better coach then George Siefert and Barry Switzer are up there too.

[jimmy40]

Of course Parcells is better. You have to remember, Belichick won with Parcells coaching staff and some of Parcells' players in New England. He has yet to prove he can do it on his own. When Belichick was in Cleveland, he flat out sucked. If Belichick is the better coach then George Siefert and Barry Switzer are up there too.Can koolaide make you drunk?

[DallasEast]

Would yall consider him better then BelichekDoes it matter?

When both men have enjoyed the benefits of the best staff and players, they have either both won or appeared in Super Bowls. Up to this point, Belichick has possessed the best NFL organization in recent years. Parcells hasn't. If and when their roles are eventually switched, would it then be necessary to question whether or not Belichick is better than Parcells?

[Hostile]

Would yall consider him better then BelichekI don't think I would if I am being honest. 3 Super Bowl wins in 4 years is more impressive to me than 3 overall.

[mbanx]

I wonder if we would have ever even heard of BB if not for Bill Parcells.

[billyrags]

If he wins it with Bledsoe, then absolutely!

Where would Belichek be without Tom Brady?

[dthahn]

Can koolaide make you drunk?

Do you have first grade spelling ability? (koolaide???) :eek:

[jimmy40]

Do you have first grade spelling ability? (koolaide???) :eek:Did another forum shut down or something?

[MiStar]

3 out of 4 is certainly impressive. There's always a little bit of luck involved in the creation of dynasties.

Bill's track record of turning some of the worst teams in NFL into bigtime contenders, has to be the more impressive feat.

[Cowchips]

Of course Parcells is better. You have to remember, Belichick won with Parcells coaching staff and some of Parcells' players in New England. He has yet to prove he can do it on his own. When Belichick was in Cleveland, he flat out sucked. If Belichick is the better coach then George Siefert and Barry Switzer are up there too.

Much as I detest Bill Billijerk, saying he won it because he had Parcell's players is idiotic. There may have been 5 players tops from the 96 SB year that played in 2001. Every player on offense was different and there may have been 3-4 players on D and Vinatieri but that was about it.

[jimmy40]

3 out of 4 is certainly impressive. There's always a little bit of luck involved in the creation of dynasties.

Bill's track record of turning some of the worst teams in NFL into bigtime contenders, has to be the more impressive feat.
No it doesn't. All ANYBODY talks about is how easy it is for teams to go from bad to good and good to bad in the salary cap era. How in the hell could getting bad teams to the playoffs possibly be more impressive than creating a dynasty? The koolaide flows aplenty today.

[Cowchips]

3 out of 4 is certainly impressive. There's always a little bit of luck involved in the creation of dynasties.

Bill's track record of turning some of the worst teams in NFL into bigtime contenders, has to be the more impressive feat.

The only real dynasties in professional sports are the Yankees and the Celtics. The Pats and Cowboys 3 out of 4 strings were good but those teams did it with different players over many years, which is the definition of a dynasty.

[jimmy40]

The only real dynasties in professional sports are the Yankees and the Celtics. The Pats and Cowboys 3 out of 4 strings were good but those teams did it with different players over many years, which is the definition of a dynasty.3 out of 4 in the NFL is a dynasty. 3 out of 4 in the salary cap era is freakin unbelivable.

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

I think that Parcells is the better coach.
BB is like Jimmy Johnson. Great with a certain team, but couldn't cut it with another (JJ with the Cowboys, then with Miami...BB with Cleveland, then with the Pats). Parcells has done it with all of the teams that he coached.
Lets put it this way, if BB and Parcells exchanged their current teams, what do you think the outcome would be?
Now understand, I'm not saying that BB is not a good coach, I just don't think that he could go to any team and be as good as he seems with the Pats right now.

[jimmy40]

Of course Parcells is better. You have to remember, Belichick won with Parcells coaching staff and some of Parcells' players in New England. He has yet to prove he can do it on his own. When Belichick was in Cleveland, he flat out sucked. If Belichick is the better coach then George Siefert and Barry Switzer are up there too.Of the 62 players on the Patriots' active roster or injured reserve list, 55 have been acquired since Coach Bill Belichick arrived in New England in 2000. Of the 40 players who have started for the Patriots this season, 35 were acquired by Belichick and Vice President of Player Personnel Scott Pioli. Props dude, he did have some of Parcells players, maybe one day he'll prove he can do it on his own. :rolleyes:
Parcells playoff record 17-11, Super Bowls 2-1
Belichick playoff record 10-1, Super Bowls 3-0

[Jimz31]

Right now, I kinda feel that they are equals.

[OILERMAN]

I don't think I would if I am being honest. 3 Super Bowl wins in 4 years is more impressive to me than 3 overall.

Parcells doesn't have 3, he has 2.

[jimmy40]

Parcells doesn't have 3, he has 2.The discussion was if Parcells wins another which would be three.

[phildominator]

To me, I really don't care for a BP vs BB debate. I'll be ecstatic if BP can win a Dallas Super Bowl, I like BP as our coach -- but in all honesty, BP doesn't feel like a Dallas Cowboy.

When I say the names Tom Landry, Jimmy Johnson, even Dave Campo, I feel ownership over them. I can say they were Dallas Cowboys.

If BP wins multiple SBs with the Boys, great, but he's always felt rented.

[jimmy40]

To me, I really don't care for a BP vs BB debate. I'll be ecstatic if BP can win a Dallas Super Bowl, I like BP as our coach -- but in all honesty, BP doesn't feel like a Dallas Cowboy.

When I say the names Tom Landry, Jimmy Johnson, even Dave Campo, I feel ownership over them. I can say they were Dallas Cowboys.

If BP wins multiple SBs with the Boys, great, but he's always felt rented.Till he wins a Super Bowl here he'll be that fat bastid coach of the Giants.

[Jimz31]

To me, I really don't care for a BP vs BB debate. I'll be ecstatic if BP can win a Dallas Super Bowl, I like BP as our coach -- but in all honesty, BP doesn't feel like a Dallas Cowboy.

When I say the names Tom Landry, Jimmy Johnson, even Dave Campo, I feel ownership over them. I can say they were Dallas Cowboys.

If BP wins multiple SBs with the Boys, great, but he's always felt rented.

Couldn't agree more.

The same goes for some of the players.

[dthahn]

Of the 62 players on the Patriots' active roster or injured reserve list, 55 have been acquired since Coach Bill Belichick arrived in New England in 2000. Of the 40 players who have started for the Patriots this season, 35 were acquired by Belichick and Vice President of Player Personnel Scott Pioli. Props dude, he did have some of Parcells players, maybe one day he'll prove he can do it on his own. :rolleyes:
Parcells playoff record 17-11, Super Bowls 2-1
Belichick playoff record 10-1, Super Bowls 3-0

Nice try pal, but you completely ignored my first argument regarding the coaching staff. Charlie Weiss, Romeo Crennel, etc., etc., were all assistant coaches with Parcells. When Parcells retired, Belichick took all those coaches with him to New England.

Secondly, you, again, ignored the roster when Belichick won his first Superbowl. Why don't you count the players from Parcells team on that Superbowl team, players like McGinest, Law, Milloy, Brown, Bledsoe, Johnson, Glenn, Bruschi, Vinatieri, Otis Smith. How many were starters on that first Superbowl team? Try 7-8 of them. That's starters. I also seem to remember Vinatieri kicking the winning field goal in that game too.

Next time, check your facts.

What is this, a junior high school debate forum??? :banghead:

[jimmy40]

Nice try pal, but you completely ignored my first argument regarding the coaching staff. Charlie Weiss, Romeo Crennel, etc., etc., were all assistant coaches with Parcells. When Parcells retired, Belichick took all those coaches with him to New England.

Secondly, you, again, ignored the roster when Belichick won his first Superbowl. Why don't you count the players from Parcells team on that Superbowl team, players like McGinest, Law, Milloy, Brown, Bledsoe, Johnson, Glenn, Bruschi, Vinatieri, Otis Smith. How many were starters on that first Superbowl team? Try 7-8 of them. That's starters. I also seem to remember Vinatieri kicking the winning field goal in that game too.

Next time, check your facts.

What is this, a junior high school debate forum??? :banghead:Hey try this numb nuts, Parcells didn't draft Lawrence Taylor. Now and go away.

[jimmy40]

Nice try pal, but you completely ignored my first argument regarding the coaching staff. Charlie Weiss, Romeo Crennel, etc., etc., were all assistant coaches with Parcells. When Parcells retired, Belichick took all those coaches with him to New England.

Secondly, you, again, ignored the roster when Belichick won his first Superbowl. Why don't you count the players from Parcells team on that Superbowl team, players like McGinest, Law, Milloy, Brown, Bledsoe, Johnson, Glenn, Bruschi, Vinatieri, Otis Smith. How many were starters on that first Superbowl team? Try 7-8 of them. That's starters. I also seem to remember Vinatieri kicking the winning field goal in that game too.

Next time, check your facts.

What is this, a junior high school debate forum??? :banghead:I guess Parcells won 2 Super Bowls with Ray Perkin's players? Is that who drafted Taylor? I really don't remember.

[DallasEast]

I guess Parcells won 2 Super Bowls with Ray Perkin's players? Is that who drafted Taylor? I really don't remember.Since Parcells didn't take over the Giants until '83, it's probably safe to say that Ray Perkins (head coach, 1979 - 1982) drafted Taylor.

[dthahn]

Hey try this numb nuts, Parcells didn't draft Lawrence Taylor. Now and go away.

Now that's an intelligent argument. ;)

P.S. I'm picking up some hostility too. You should devote some time to that issue with your anger management therapist. Repeat after me: Goose fra ba, Goose fra ba.

[jimmy40]

Now that's an intelligent argument. ;)

P.S. I'm picking up some hostility too. You should devote some time to that issue with your anger management therapist. Repeat after me: Goose fra ba, Goose fra ba.It's YOUR argument dude.
No hostility here. Now read my sig line about a thousand times.

[StoneyBurk]

George Young drafted LT

[OILERMAN]

I really don't think its going to be much of a debate because Parcells aint winning a SB in the next year or two.

[pancakeman]

I don't think I would if I am being honest. 3 Super Bowl wins in 4 years is more impressive to me than 3 overall.

Then again, if your three are clustered together, maybe you're riding a great championship team, as opposed to assembling 3 championship teams...

[DallasEast]

I really don't think its going to be much of a debate because Parcells aint winning a SB in the next year or two.The exact same could be said of both Capers and Fisher.

[HeHateMe]

They both would be nobody if it werent for eachother.

[dthahn]

No hostility here. Now read my sig line about a thousand times.

That's what you call DENIAL!! You should follow your own advice, not that you'd understand it anyway. You argue like a first grader. Go drink some KOOL-AID!! (by the way, there's no E in AID). ;)

[mr.jameswoods]

Would yall consider him better then Belichek

Yes, without a doubt I would because it would prove that he can win a Superbowl without Bellichik and the Patriots were a better team than we were when Bellichik arrived in Boston.

[SuspectCorner]

I really don't think its going to be much of a debate because Parcells aint winning a SB in the next year or two.
like you have some keen insight into football success? your name says it all.

notice how "oilers" is an anagram for "i loser"?

thanks for weighing in alexander "gram" bell.

[Mike 1967]

Would yall consider him better then Belichek\

If he won one more SB and Belichek won no more...then I would consider him on par with Belichek.

At this point I view Belicheck as a better coach than Parcells.

But it will be interesting to see how Belichek does with the losses of his supporting coaches. They have also lost several players this year.

[DallasEast]

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If he won one more SB and Belichek won no more...then I would consider him on par with Belichek.

At this point I view Belicheck as a better coach than Parcells.With respect and no malice intended, I just can't agree with that viewpoint--namely, comparing head coaches per their Super Bowl win totals. Landry coached Dallas to five Super Bowl appearances and only won twice. During the same era, Noll coached Pittsburgh to four Super Bowls and won each one. Yet, there isn't anyone on this green Earth who could convince me that Chuck was better than Tom. No way Jose.

Sorry about the rant. :o

[Mike 1967]

With respect and no malice intended, I just can't agree with that viewpoint--namely, comparing head coaches per their Super Bowl win totals. Landry coached Dallas to five Super Bowl appearances and only won twice. During the same era, Noll coached Pittsburgh to four Super Bowls and won each one. Yet, there isn't anyone on this green Earth who could convince me that Chuck was better than Tom. No way Jose.

Sorry about the rant. :o

No malice taken. If I was offended everytime another person disagreed with my opinion.....I would have to stop sharing my opinion :)

And I have also been blessed with the understanding that simply because it is my opinion....does not mean it is right. :D

[mr.jameswoods]

With respect and no malice intended, I just can't agree with that viewpoint--namely, comparing head coaches per their Super Bowl win totals. Landry coached Dallas to five Super Bowl appearances and only won twice. During the same era, Noll coached Pittsburgh to four Super Bowls and won each one. Yet, there isn't anyone on this green Earth who could convince me that Chuck was better than Tom. No way Jose.

Sorry about the rant. :o

The same argument could be made about players as well. Is Troy Aikman a better QB than Dan Marino because he won 3 Superbowls while Marino won none?

I agree and disagree. You can't just look at the total number of Superbowls a coach won. I think you have to look at how much the head coach played a part in a particular Superbowl win. Barry Switzer won a Superbowl but I wouldn't call him a great NFL coach by any means. He just inherited Johnson's players and system. George Seifert won 2 Superbowls but he inherited Bill Walsh's players and system. Is Mike Ditka a great coach? Or is he a guy who had a great defensive coordinator and a flamboyant personality that got him recognition?

However, Bill Bellichik was far enough removed from Parcell's tenure with the Patriots to simply say he just inherited Parcells players and system. Bellichik has been an instrumental part of the Patriots 3 Superbowl wins. Bellichik didn't win because his team was flowing with talent. It's not like he had 10 players on his team make the Pro Bowl. And the way he has been able to win the subpar talent particularly with replacing backups and receivers as cornerbacks and nearly shutting out one of the leagues best offenses in NFL history in the Colts meant the coach played a huge part in that win.

[DWAREZ]

I guess Parcells won 2 Super Bowls with Ray Perkin's players? Is that who drafted Taylor? I really don't remember.

It does not matter ultimately...but BP did draft the core that brought about this outstanding NE team...BP does not get credit for the Sb titles but he does get credit for training almost every coach that was calling offense, defense, and influence philosophically speaking of the team.

Darren Woodson stated that you can see BP hand print ALL over the NE philosophical and operational approach of the team and coach mindset. Yes, Our Darren Woodson, who played for BP, who was a guest analyst but was able to do PR work up and close with NE. He was blown away by how when you orchestrate the pieces properly...BP system will work.

Bill had much turnover from Ray Perkins...so its not quite the same thing...BP drafted alot of the key players for the two SB teams but yes Perkins helped with a few prior roster decisions that definately helped BP. But it is not as intimate and as thorough as the BP to NE situation. :)

[OILERMAN]

LOL.... whatever you guys say. I guess we'll see in 2 years how much insight I have.

[Doomsday101]

Would yall consider him better then Belichek

Why can't they both be considered excellent coaches?