View Full Version : Why We May Indeed Package our 2 #1's
Chuck 54
03-13-2005, 05:21 PM
This team has filled most of its glaring holes in FA...not all, most...that's a fact.
OL...Adams, Allen, Johnson, Riverra, Peterson, Gurode, Tucker, Vollers, Rogers. There are 5 decent linemen in there somewhere...it's not like we're going to draft a RT and pencil him in for opening day.
RB...we have our starters...we're just looking for backups, assuming it's not Bickerstaff and Lee or Anderson.
TE...we're set.
WR....we have 2, but no #1....everyone else is a hope.
QB....again, we're not going to draft our starter...like it or not, Parcells has made the move to Bledsoe with Henson as the likely backup.
The greatest weakness on offense is WR.
DL....if Howard is signed, we're set...Ellis, Glover, Ferguson, Howard, with Carson, Blade, Ogubogu and Coleman as backups, along with Thornton.
LB....right now it looks like Singleton, DAT, and Brady James, with Shanlee, Fowler, etc for depth.
STarting CB's are now set, with Hunter and Frazier fighting for playing time.
Roy is our best safety, and right now he'd be paired with DAvis or the guy who finished the year....assuming he still has those incriminating pictures.
Defensive weak spots....LB & secondary.
We're not going to draft a FS in round 1. Everything I've read about DJ is that he runs around blockers and makes plays but is easily knocked off his feet and sometimes misses tackles because he doesn't take on blocks well. Merriman is a DE/OLB in the 3-4....no way do we spend a #11 pick on a guy who has never played coverage as a true LB.
My best guess is that we draft another CB or WR in round 1. It's a deep draft for CB's, so why use a top pick on one. Unless we sign a WR before the draft, I think it's clear that WR is the logical position to draft in round 1. I certainly wouldn't spend a top pick on any WR outside of Braylon Edwards or Mike Williams.
I could see us packaging the two #1 picks for the rights to select one of those WR's and a 2nd round pick.
Those who keep saying we have too many holes to fill to go after star players are, imo, wrong. If we do indeed trade and sign for Howard, DE, then DJ Johnson just might be the only player outside of a WR who could significantly contribute this season based on the guys we've added.
Frankly, this offseason is looking like Parcells is positioning himself to do whatever he wants in the first round of the draft, go after any player he really covets, and folks, that's exactly how it's supposed to be done in regards to free agency and the draft.
The fact that BP didn't even show any casual interest in guys like Plaxico Burris or L. Coles says a great deal to me...at the least, it gives one pause.
Put Henson In
03-13-2005, 05:30 PM
DJ is much better than any CB prospect. Braylon and MW are good players but worth trading up for? Hell no.
Chuck 54
03-13-2005, 05:31 PM
DJ is much better than any CB prospect. Braylon and MW are good players but worth trading up for? Hell no.
I hope you're right on DJ, but everything I've seen show that he may be dropping in the NFL's estimation.
Fla Cowpoke
03-13-2005, 05:31 PM
Uh, no.
More holes than we have spots to choose. We will increase our picks by trading down.
I think the reason he never showed any interest in Coles was because he knew there was no chance in hell that Joe Gibbs would ever consider trading a player to the Dallas Cowboys...especially a productive one like Coles.
As for Plaxico, I remain convinced his attitude is the issue. Why else, other than contract demands, has the interest in him been so minimal? Perhaps if he is out there a little while longer and his demands drop we'll show interest, but still, the attitude has to be factored in.
I do, though, agree that if Howard is brought in, then linebacker, free safety and receiver are among our greatest needs. But I would throw in right tackle still. Perhaps Tucker or Rogers can step up, but I'm not convinced yet. If the best tackle in the draft is sitting there for us and tops our board, I'd have no problem selecting him.
dargonking999
03-13-2005, 05:36 PM
sorry but since we do have the #11 pick its not like we are gonna miss out on so many star players that we sacrfice two first round draft piicks to move up 3 or 4 spots just for ONE player, our team is not ONE player away from being a playoff team, we already are, what we need is more picks to build a young roster and to give us the abilty to have players backup these "old guys" so if one goes down we're not lost. The last thing we need is to waste our picks on a star players that goes down with an injury then what, we jsut screwed oursleves. i say trade down the #20 pci kand get more picks get a deeper roster
jobberone
03-13-2005, 05:52 PM
I think the reason he never showed any interest in Coles was because he knew there was no chance in hell that Joe Gibbs would ever consider trading a player to the Dallas Cowboys...especially a productive one like Coles.
As for Plaxico, I remain convinced his attitude is the issue. Why else, other than contract demands, has the interest in him been so minimal? Perhaps if he is out there a little while longer and his demands drop we'll show interest, but still, the attitude has to be factored in.
I do, though, agree that if Howard is brought in, then linebacker, free safety and receiver are among our greatest needs. But I would throw in right tackle still. Perhaps Tucker or Rogers can step up, but I'm not convinced yet. If the best tackle in the draft is sitting there for us and tops our board, I'd have no problem selecting him.
Ahh hah. A convert. Barron to the rescue.
Tongue in cheek but only a little. Barron and a DL or DE/LB type is ok with me. I see tweeners everywhere so I'm looking at grade A prime rib with those first two picks.
In fact we are basically assured of being able to get one of the top four WRs, top two OTs, top five DE/DL or one of the coveted tweeners.
If we keep both picks.
What's the story with Thomas Davis of Georgia? Stock on rise, top 20 or top 40 pick?
Nice thread Wayne.
hank2k
03-13-2005, 05:53 PM
I hope you're right on DJ, but everything I've seen show that he may be dropping in the NFL's estimation.
If we land Howard and stay with the 4-3 ,DJ to me becomes much more likely.
I dont want him as a rush 3-4 OLB, but as a weakside guy in the 4-3 ala Derrick Brooks hed be tremendous.
2233boys
03-13-2005, 05:56 PM
Don't think there is anyone that special we need to move up, and honestly, I don't think we are going to draft a CB early since we just signed Henry and have Newman. Maybe if they were converting him to safety, but I don't think we need to do that in the first.
We go DE, OT, or LB, or trade down...
Cajuncowboy
03-13-2005, 05:57 PM
DJ is much better than any CB prospect. Braylon and MW are good players but worth trading up for? Hell no.
And see, I think Mike Williams is the only player worth trading up for. I would package the two first rounders to move up to get WIlliams as long as we got a high second rounder as well. There are always great talent that slides and this year will be no different.
DallasEast
03-13-2005, 05:57 PM
From the projections that I'm seeing now, Braylon Edwards and Mike Williams are top 10 picks. Mark Clayton and Troy Williamson are slotted between the 11th and 20th picks.
Edwards runs great routes and size, but lacks the speed. Williams is another big WR who makes the tough catches, but isn't a burner. Clayton lacks both size and speed. Williamson has height and is a burner, but has a light frame.
Parcells already has a #1 possession receiver (Johnson) and a #1 tight end (Witten). He has the receivers necessary for a dink and dunk passing attack. What he doesn't have is a proven speed receiver who can go deep.
As far as the draft is concerned, Williamson fits that profile better than the other top WR prospects. He's projected to go in the late teens/early 20's. Should Parcells package the first-round picks, I believe that package would involve picking up lower picks instead of moving up for either Edwards or Williams. JMO.
MichaelWinicki
03-13-2005, 06:41 PM
This team has filled most of its glaring holes in FA...not all, most...that's a fact.
OL...Adams, Allen, Johnson, Riverra, Peterson, Gurode, Tucker, Vollers, Rogers. There are 5 decent linemen in there somewhere...it's not like we're going to draft a RT and pencil him in for opening day.
RB...we have our starters...we're just looking for backups, assuming it's not Bickerstaff and Lee or Anderson.
TE...we're set.
WR....we have 2, but no #1....everyone else is a hope.
QB....again, we're not going to draft our starter...like it or not, Parcells has made the move to Bledsoe with Henson as the likely backup.
The greatest weakness on offense is WR.
DL....if Howard is signed, we're set...Ellis, Glover, Ferguson, Howard, with Carson, Blade, Ogubogu and Coleman as backups, along with Thornton.
LB....right now it looks like Singleton, DAT, and Brady James, with Shanlee, Fowler, etc for depth.
STarting CB's are now set, with Hunter and Frazier fighting for playing time.
Roy is our best safety, and right now he'd be paired with DAvis or the guy who finished the year....assuming he still has those incriminating pictures.
Defensive weak spots....LB & secondary.
We're not going to draft a FS in round 1. Everything I've read about DJ is that he runs around blockers and makes plays but is easily knocked off his feet and sometimes misses tackles because he doesn't take on blocks well. Merriman is a DE/OLB in the 3-4....no way do we spend a #11 pick on a guy who has never played coverage as a true LB.
My best guess is that we draft another CB or WR in round 1. It's a deep draft for CB's, so why use a top pick on one. Unless we sign a WR before the draft, I think it's clear that WR is the logical position to draft in round 1. I certainly wouldn't spend a top pick on any WR outside of Braylon Edwards or Mike Williams.
I could see us packaging the two #1 picks for the rights to select one of those WR's and a 2nd round pick.
Those who keep saying we have too many holes to fill to go after star players are, imo, wrong. If we do indeed trade and sign for Howard, DE, then DJ Johnson just might be the only player outside of a WR who could significantly contribute this season based on the guys we've added.
Frankly, this offseason is looking like Parcells is positioning himself to do whatever he wants in the first round of the draft, go after any player he really covets, and folks, that's exactly how it's supposed to be done in regards to free agency and the draft.
The fact that BP didn't even show any casual interest in guys like Plaxico Burris or L. Coles says a great deal to me...at the least, it gives one pause.
I think we stay at 11 but trade out of 20. I just don't see us trading up using both picks. I just don't see it. The draft just isn't that strong from slots 1-10.
LoneStar22
03-13-2005, 06:45 PM
Hmmm, WR ... Morgan, Johnson, Whitten and Glenn are going to get alot of balls thrown their way, how much of an impact can a rookie WR be this year?
So if we take a wr at 11 or throw away our entire draft to get one....
Will he see the field?
MichaelWinicki
03-13-2005, 06:48 PM
And see, I think Mike Williams is the only player worth trading up for. I would package the two first rounders to move up to get WIlliams as long as we got a high second rounder as well. There are always great talent that slides and this year will be no different.
I don't see us drafting Williams... I just don't see him being the "speed" guy we need, the speed guy Bledsoe needs to function in this offense. Peerless was a 4.40 guy... Moulds was a 4.45 guy... Evans is a sub 4.40 guy.
We've got Key who's a 4.70 guy, Glenn is still probably a 4.45 guy but he's older. And then we bring in a 4.60 guy? Another "Key"? I don't see it. We need a guy that can stretch the field. Drew Bledsoe, as you poor folks are going to see, is not a "move the chains" QB. He lives for the big play and he needs receivers capable of getting off the line quickly and downfield in a flash.
Cajuncowboy
03-13-2005, 06:48 PM
Hmmm, WR ... Morgan, Johnson, Whitten and Glenn are going to get alot of balls thrown their way, how much of an impact can a rookie WR be this year?
So if we take a wr at 11 or throw away our entire draft to get one....
Will he see the field?
If it's Mike Williams he will see the field. He will probably immediatley become the #3 wr and could push Key for #2 right out of the gate. That said, I think we would have a great Wr corp with Glenn, Key, Crayton, Copper and a Rookie Wr, be it Williams, Williamson or Clayton. I don't think Morgan makes it out of camp myself.
MichaelWinicki
03-13-2005, 06:48 PM
Hmmm, WR ... Morgan, Johnson, Whitten and Glenn are going to get alot of balls thrown their way, how much of an impact can a rookie WR be this year?
So if we take a wr at 11 or throw away our entire draft to get one....
Will he see the field?
That is an extremely valid point also.
I'm not big on bringing in a rookie WR that's going to catch 20 balls.
THEHEREAFTER
03-13-2005, 06:55 PM
From the projections that I'm seeing now, Braylon Edwards and Mike Williams are top 10 picks. Mark Clayton and Troy Williamson are slotted between the 11th and 20th picks.
Edwards runs great routes and size, but lacks the speed. Williams is another big WR who makes the tough catches, but isn't a burner. Clayton lacks both size and speed. Williamson has height and is a burner, but has a light frame.
Parcells already has a #1 possession receiver (Johnson) and a #1 tight end (Witten). He has the receivers necessary for a dink and dunk passing attack. What he doesn't have is a proven speed receiver who can go deep.
As far as the draft is concerned, Williamson fits that profile better than the other top WR prospects. He's projected to go in the late teens/early 20's. Should Parcells package the first-round picks, I believe that package would involve picking up lower picks instead of moving up for either Edwards or Williams. JMO.
I thought Braylon was the only true "total package" guy? What was his 40 time? I actually agree with the original poster.. packaging the two #1's for an IMPACT 1st rounder would be a tremendous move... especially if we get a second out of it... sometimes IMPACT outweighs depth... if you can somehow land a "Michael Irvin" type .. then FORGET the other player in the first.. Irvin was never a burner... just our best receiver of all time.. someone "special".. Howard + Braylon/MW + a second = excitement.. I wouldn't be mad if we leveraged our two firsts for one of those guys.. we get a young nucleous of BE/MW, Witten, JJ.. possibly Henson waiting in the wings.. and we're back on track..
Champsheart
03-13-2005, 07:14 PM
This team has filled most of its glaring holes in FA...not all, most...that's a fact.
OL...Adams, Allen, Johnson, Riverra, Peterson, Gurode, Tucker, Vollers, Rogers. There are 5 decent linemen in there somewhere...it's not like we're going to draft a RT and pencil him in for opening day.
RB...we have our starters...we're just looking for backups, assuming it's not Bickerstaff and Lee or Anderson.
TE...we're set.
WR....we have 2, but no #1....everyone else is a hope.
QB....again, we're not going to draft our starter...like it or not, Parcells has made the move to Bledsoe with Henson as the likely backup.
The greatest weakness on offense is WR.
DL....if Howard is signed, we're set...Ellis, Glover, Ferguson, Howard, with Carson, Blade, Ogubogu and Coleman as backups, along with Thornton.
LB....right now it looks like Singleton, DAT, and Brady James, with Shanlee, Fowler, etc for depth.
STarting CB's are now set, with Hunter and Frazier fighting for playing time.
Roy is our best safety, and right now he'd be paired with DAvis or the guy who finished the year....assuming he still has those incriminating pictures.
Defensive weak spots....LB & secondary.
We're not going to draft a FS in round 1. Everything I've read about DJ is that he runs around blockers and makes plays but is easily knocked off his feet and sometimes misses tackles because he doesn't take on blocks well. Merriman is a DE/OLB in the 3-4....no way do we spend a #11 pick on a guy who has never played coverage as a true LB.
My best guess is that we draft another CB or WR in round 1. It's a deep draft for CB's, so why use a top pick on one. Unless we sign a WR before the draft, I think it's clear that WR is the logical position to draft in round 1. I certainly wouldn't spend a top pick on any WR outside of Braylon Edwards or Mike Williams.
I could see us packaging the two #1 picks for the rights to select one of those WR's and a 2nd round pick.
Those who keep saying we have too many holes to fill to go after star players are, imo, wrong. If we do indeed trade and sign for Howard, DE, then DJ Johnson just might be the only player outside of a WR who could significantly contribute this season based on the guys we've added.
Frankly, this offseason is looking like Parcells is positioning himself to do whatever he wants in the first round of the draft, go after any player he really covets, and folks, that's exactly how it's supposed to be done in regards to free agency and the draft.
The fact that BP didn't even show any casual interest in guys like Plaxico Burris or L. Coles says a great deal to me...at the least, it gives one pause.
Wayne, I agree it is a possibility if we get Howard.
The only guy in my mind who is worth a trade up is Mike Williams.
I know this is not a popular opinion around here, and everyone says there is no guy worth trading up for, but I disagree. IMO Mike Williams is!
MW is pure and simple one of the best College Football players I have ever seen. JMO! I am not just talking WR's, but College players period. And he displayed this as a Freshman and Sophmore.
I could care less about 40 times, bench presses, or any other Combine crap. Mike Williams is one heck of a football player.
He is extremely strong and physical for a WR, and has maybe the best set of hands I have ever seen in College Football.
If I was San Diego last year, and MW was in the draft I would have took him #1.
If I was the 49ers this year, I would take him #1.
I also think BP is very high on MW, and if we fill enough holes it would not suprise me one bit if we traded up for him.
Put Henson In
03-13-2005, 07:18 PM
4.65 WR are going out of style faster than Ugg boots.
RoysAHitta
03-13-2005, 07:20 PM
i just wish we would of lost the seattle game and had the #5 or #6 pick in this draft. i feel like we are sitting right on the edge with #11 between great talent and good talent. just got a feeling that rolle, dj, edwards, williams, and even possibly merriman will be gone before we pick. does anyone else feel theres a big dropoff in talent level after the top 7 or so? so the only way i'd package our two first rounders would be if i was guaranteed to be landing a derrick johnson, braylon edwards, or mike williams. them are the three stars in my book.
so if we packaged our picks, i'd want a top 5 pick of it. with that pick i'd take braylon edwards, no questions asked.
DallasEast
03-13-2005, 07:42 PM
I thought Braylon was the only true "total package" guy? What was his 40 time? I actually agree with the original poster.. packaging the two #1's for an IMPACT 1st rounder would be a tremendous move... especially if we get a second out of it... sometimes IMPACT outweighs depth...Here's the thing...
First-rounders are graded as the best players available. 'Impact' players are not always going to be those certain to go in the top 10. Case in point:
Dwight Freeney...
John Abraham...
Jevon Kearse...
Tony Gonzalez...
Emmitt Smith...
We have two first-round picks. Before we package our two picks for only one possible future hall of famer, I would hope that we would consider either staying put and shoot for two possible future hall of famers at 11 and 20--or with additional picks in the 15th - 40th selection range.
As far as the 40 times are concerned, I think that I remember Edwards and Williams having decent Combine results, but those results can always be questionable. It's how fast they'll run on Sundays which will really tell the tale.if you can somehow land a "Michael Irvin" type .. then FORGET the other player in the first.. Irvin was never a burner... just our best receiver of all time.. someone "special"..You won't get an argument from me there. But Irvin had two things going for him in the passing game which helped him:
1. Troy Aikman throwing him the ball
2. Early on, a deep threat receiver (Harper)
Glenn could continue as the team's only true deep threat receiver OR we could select another deep threat receiver to maximize the possession receiver who's already on the roster (Johnson). JMO.Howard + Braylon/MW + a second = excitement.. I wouldn't be mad if we leveraged our two firsts for one of those guys.. we get a young nucleous of BE/MW, Witten, JJ.. possibly Henson waiting in the wings.. and we're back on track..And as soon as Parcells adopts a true West Coast offense (with Bledsoe at QB) to take advantage of Edwards and/or Williams, I would agree. Still, as long as Johnson is on the roster, I'm not sure that Parcells is going to gun for another possession-type receiver via the draft.
jimmy40
03-13-2005, 08:16 PM
Here's the thing...
First-rounders are graded as the best players available. 'Impact' players are not always going to be those certain to go in the top 10. Case in point:
Dwight Freeney...
John Abraham...
Jevon Kearse...
Tony Gonzalez...
Emmitt Smith...
We have two first-round picks. Before we package our two picks for only one possible future hall of famer, I would hope that we would consider either staying put and shoot for two possible future hall of famers at 11 and 20--or with additional picks in the 15th - 40th selection range.
As far as the 40 times are concerned, I think that I remember Edwards and Williams having decent Combine results, but those results can always be questionable. It's how fast they'll run on Sundays which will really tell the tale.You won't get an argument from me there. But Irvin had two things going for him in the passing game which helped him:
1. Troy Aikman throwing him the ball
2. Early on, a deep threat receiver (Harper)
Glenn could continue as the team's only true deep threat receiver OR we could select another deep threat receiver to maximize the possession receiver who's already on the roster (Johnson). JMO.And as soon as Parcells adopts a true West Coast offense (with Bledsoe at QB) to take advantage of Edwards and/or Williams, I would agree. Still, as long as Johnson is on the roster, I'm not sure that Parcells is going to gun for another possession-type receiver via the draft.I wouldn't trade both picks for him but I think Mike Williams is a possession receiver AND a playmaker.
DallasEast
03-13-2005, 08:31 PM
I wouldn't trade both picks for him but I think Mike Williams is a possession receiver AND a playmaker.I agree with that assessment, but I'm only saying that Parcells thinks he already has those qualities in Johnson--and that he would consider drafting more dependable speed on the outside opposite Johnson to take better advantage of those same qualities.
jobberone
03-13-2005, 08:32 PM
Until I saw him working and running I didn't have as high an opinion of M Williams as I do now.
I think he will be an incredible NFL talent. I think he has greatness on him more than any other WR in the draft.
Having said that remember drafts are crap shoots. Just because you think this or that you have to stay grounded in the fact many can't misses miss.
This is not a can't miss draft either.
We need players. We are not a SB away because we need a big time WR. Remember you are talking Drew Bledsoe. Ok. If he falls or falters you have Drew. So we are still building the foundation.
I don't fault the logic because it could work out he goes to the Pro Bowl 11 st8 years. And the 11 and 20 could flop, get injured yada if we stay there.
I like our chances with at least one top 25 pick and I wouldn't even mind dropping one for a player like Howard or extra picks u know the routine.
cowboyfan4life_mark
03-13-2005, 08:35 PM
i just wish we would of lost the seattle game and had the #5 or #6 pick in this draft. i feel like we are sitting right on the edge with #11 between great talent and good talent. just got a feeling that rolle, dj, edwards, williams, and even possibly merriman will be gone before we pick. does anyone else feel theres a big dropoff in talent level after the top 7 or so? so the only way i'd package our two first rounders would be if i was guaranteed to be landing a derrick johnson, braylon edwards, or mike williams. them are the three stars in my book.
so if we packaged our picks, i'd want a top 5 pick of it. with that pick i'd take braylon edwards, no questions asked.
This is why I believe that if all the players that Parcells likes are gone, he would be more willing to trade down from the 11th spot than the 20th. He would get more picks in relation to it. As long as someone is there that another team wants.
JsnSA
03-13-2005, 08:41 PM
We BETTER not trade up in this draft.
That would be stupid.
Yeah Mike Williams and Edwards may be the two best prospects...WR or not...but they still are not so good that we need to trade up for them.
We are NOT just a WR away from a SB.
cowheel
03-13-2005, 08:51 PM
Packaging our 2 #1s to move up to draft ANYONE in this draft would be the stupidest move we've made since the Galloway deal.
JohnsKey19
03-13-2005, 08:52 PM
Assuming we get Howard...if Barron is there at #11, you have to take him. He would definitely be the best player available at that point. Our O-Line would go from mediocre last year to possibly dominant the next.
I was initially against taking an OL early in the draft, but addressing our pass rush need by getting Howard chages my mind.
Then at 20, we can take the best LB avialable, or even trade down to the 2nd and take one there.
Chief
03-13-2005, 09:10 PM
If Dallas drafts Mike Williams, he'll be the best receiver on this team by mid-season at the latest.
He'll have an impact.
Just my opinion.
Doomsday
03-13-2005, 09:12 PM
4.65 WR are going out of style faster than Ugg boots.
40 times dont mean jack! You can keep your 40 times I will take great players like Rice, Irvin, Reed, Monk etc.... none of whom where burners. Its all about running good routes and getting seperation not how fast you can run a straight line in the gym. I would love to see Dallas move up and snag Braylon Edwards the guy can flat out play but I wouldnt want to see them give up the other #1 pick to get there.
hank2k
03-13-2005, 09:22 PM
40 times dont mean jack! You can keep your 40 times I will take great players like Rice, Irvin, Reed, Monk etc.... none of whom where burners. Its all about running good routes and getting seperation not how fast you can run a straight line in the gym. I would love to see Dallas move up and snag Braylon Edwards the guy can flat out play but I wouldnt want to see them give up the other #1 pick to get there.
If 40 times are unimportant, why was Parcells himself timing Williams at the combine??
DLCassidy
03-13-2005, 10:54 PM
40 times do matter, especially for a guy that's almost the size of a TE. Mike Williams is a nice player but he won't be dominant because he's not fast enough. He's a slightly taller version of Reggie Williams.
LoneStar22
03-13-2005, 11:05 PM
40 times do matter, especially for a guy that's almost the size of a TE. Mike Williams is a nice player but he won't be dominant because he's not fast enough. He's a slightly taller version of Reggie Williams.
Michael Clayton of the Bucs ran a 4.59 40 and Antwan Bolden of the Cards 4.6, both ran slower than Mike Williams' 4.58.
DWAREZ
03-13-2005, 11:46 PM
I think the reason he never showed any interest in Coles was because he knew there was no chance in hell that Joe Gibbs would ever consider trading a player to the Dallas Cowboys...especially a productive one like Coles.
As for Plaxico, I remain convinced his attitude is the issue. Why else, other than contract demands, has the interest in him been so minimal? Perhaps if he is out there a little while longer and his demands drop we'll show interest, but still, the attitude has to be factored in.
I do, though, agree that if Howard is brought in, then linebacker, free safety and receiver are among our greatest needs. But I would throw in right tackle still. Perhaps Tucker or Rogers can step up, but I'm not convinced yet. If the best tackle in the draft is sitting there for us and tops our board, I'd have no problem selecting him.
I agree...if we get DH our front will be catalytic...our secondary is dangerous if we can get a good FS...but the vet pool and our cap situation will be strained...so drafting may be critical.
The obvious other factor is Lb and WR/ROT but lets not forget about the running back depth. I do think we can find a RB in the draft as well as a WR that has the speed we need.
The hard part to me is the FS situation, because if we keep or trade the 11 pick (as in trade down :) we can still find a nice LB that can start somewhere in the first round. But if we cannot address the FS position in FA, it will press us to either use what we have (Davis, Convert Hunter) or draft the position which we may find to be problematic in terms of a starter.
I guess alot is at stake in terms of FA and the draft in this deal :)
CowboyChris
03-14-2005, 12:13 AM
im in the agreement with the minority here, im hoping we trade up for M Williams, you couple that kind of talent with Julius, and Witten, and if Henson develops at some point in the near future, the new triplets will be in place for next dynasty run.
Chuck 54
03-14-2005, 05:10 AM
If we draft a LB and an OT, I can live with that, although it means we wasted a 2nd rounder last season, imo.
No way we draft a DE with #11....why?....to sit behind Ellis and Howard???
I think it's pretty clear that we'll either be looking for LB's, WR's, or OT's when that #11 draft pick rolls around. Will Parcells consider Rogers a bust already and expect to draft a starter at #11?
It's very likely that we'd have to move up to get a DJ or either of the WR's, so what's the deal?
Either we move up or we draft an OT or DB or we trade down. Don't tell me we can't move up for a WR and we'll take DJ....I think it's very unlikely he's there at 11 either. Don't tell me we take Erasmus James after dealing for Howard if that goes through....give me some realistic options other than moving up a few slots.
TX Cowboy
03-14-2005, 08:23 AM
Their is no way we are packaging our 2 first round picks not with 4 positions that all
have to be filled with our picks in this years draft
Cajuncowboy
03-14-2005, 08:27 AM
Their is no way we are packaging our 2 first round picks not with 4 positions that all
have to be filled with our picks in this years draft
Hey TX. That is a sweeeeeeet sig pic. I may snag it as my wallpaper for a while. LOL
Doomsday101
03-14-2005, 08:33 AM
I see no player in this draft worth trading off 2 #1's to move up. Lets get real for a change. Dallas has a chance to get 2 quality players in round 1 and another in round 2. Stay were we are we need as much help as possiable.
conner01
03-14-2005, 08:35 AM
if mike is there at 11 i take him,if not i take dj,if both gone i trade down.you can trade down at 20 and still get clayton.i'll settle fro the 2nd best wr in the draft
TX Cowboy
03-14-2005, 08:51 AM
Hey TX. That is a sweeeeeeet sig pic. I may snag it as my wallpaper for a while. LOL
Go for it I don't mind sharing my pics with fellow Cowboys brothern
VACowboy
03-14-2005, 09:38 AM
i just wish we would of lost the seattle game and had the #5 or #6 pick in this draft. i feel like we are sitting right on the edge with #11 between great talent and good talent. just got a feeling that rolle, dj, edwards, williams, and even possibly merriman will be gone before we pick. does anyone else feel theres a big dropoff in talent level after the top 7 or so? so the only way i'd package our two first rounders would be if i was guaranteed to be landing a derrick johnson, braylon edwards, or mike williams. them are the three stars in my book.
so if we packaged our picks, i'd want a top 5 pick of it. with that pick i'd take braylon edwards, no questions asked.
The difference in talent between #5 and #11 in this draft is minimal. If Alex Barron is there at #11 or Jammal Brown is there at #20, those would be my preferred picks. If we can put together a great offensive line, you will see impact on offense.
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