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cowboyjoe
09-03-2011, 10:18 AM
GregABedardGreg A. Bedard
Wow. RT @calvinwatkins: Igor Olshansky was told he will not be with the #cowboys this season.
5 minutes ago
davidcanterdavid canter
by toddarcher
Cowboys will release client WR Teddy Williams with intentions of adding him to practice squad should he clear waivers. @Fast_Teddy
espn_macmahonTim MacMahon
Cowboys will go with two kickers. Dan Bailey will handle field goals. David Buehler will be kickoff specialist again.
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JasonLaCanforaJason La Canfora
Hundred of players will be cut today, among some notified already: Chris Gronkowski, dan Gronkowski, Gabe Watson, Fui Vakapuna
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espn_macmahonTim MacMahon
FB Chris Gronkowski, who will always be remembered for bust when Tony Romo broke collarbone, got cut. Cowboys might go w/out FB.
AdamSchefterAdam Schefter
Not a great day for the Gronkowski brothers: Chris Gronkowski and Dan Gronkowski both have been told they will be cut.
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espn_macmahonTim MacMahon
Igor Olshansky is out, but theCowboys still plan to go with 7 DL. Clifton Geathers will make the team.
10 minutes ago
calvinwatkinsCalvin Watkins
Igor Olshansky was told he will not be with the #cowboys this season.
Mr Cowboy
09-03-2011, 10:29 AM
Cowboys will go with two kickers. Dan Bailey will handle field goals. David Buehler will be kickoff specialist again.
20 minutes ago via TweetDeck
cowboyjoe
09-03-2011, 10:30 AM
Dallas Cowboys Tweet Notes on Cuts coming up
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GregABedardGreg A. Bedard
Wow. RT @calvinwatkins: Igor Olshansky was told he will not be with the #cowboys this season.
5 minutes ago
davidcanterdavid canter
by toddarcher
Cowboys will release client WR Teddy Williams with intentions of adding him to practice squad should he clear waivers. @Fast_Teddy
espn_macmahonTim MacMahon
Cowboys will go with two kickers. Dan Bailey will handle field goals. David Buehler will be kickoff specialist again.
8 minutes agoFavoriteRetweetReply
JasonLaCanforaJason La Canfora
Hundred of players will be cut today, among some notified already: Chris Gronkowski, dan Gronkowski, Gabe Watson, Fui Vakapuna
8 minutes agoFavoriteRetweetReply
espn_macmahonTim MacMahon
FB Chris Gronkowski, who will always be remembered for bust when Tony Romo broke collarbone, got cut. Cowboys might go w/out FB.
AdamSchefterAdam Schefter
Not a great day for the Gronkowski brothers: Chris Gronkowski and Dan Gronkowski both have been told they will be cut.
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espn_macmahonTim MacMahon
Igor Olshansky is out, but theCowboys still plan to go with 7 DL. Clifton Geathers will make the team.
10 minutes ago
calvinwatkinsCalvin Watkins
Igor Olshansky was told he will not be with the #cowboys this season.
DWhite Fan
09-03-2011, 10:31 AM
Cowboys will go with two kickers. Dan Bailey will handle field goals. David Buehler will be kickoff specialist again.
20 minutes ago via TweetDeck
I am glad that Buehler is still with the team, Bailey not so much :starspin
Mr Cowboy
09-03-2011, 10:31 AM
espn_macmahon Tim MacMahon
Igor Olshansky is out, but theCowboys still plan to go with 7 DL. Clifton Geathers will make the team.
24 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
Chocolate Lab
09-03-2011, 10:32 AM
espn_macmahonTim MacMahon
Cowboys will go with two kickers. Dan Bailey will handle field goals. David Buehler will be kickoff specialist again.
I think that's probably smart.
Hostile
09-03-2011, 10:33 AM
This kind of info is when Twitter is priceless.
Wrangler87
09-03-2011, 10:34 AM
This defensive line scares me. Not that Igor was all that great, but I don't think cutting him makes us any better. We'll just let a Jag take his place. One Jag for another.
Is Jerry broke? Can we please shop the waiver wire.
Risen Star
09-03-2011, 10:34 AM
Keeping a kickoff specialist = fail.
TheCount
09-03-2011, 10:34 AM
Glad gathers made it, guy I liked coming out of school, funny he ended up here after all.
Chocolate Lab
09-03-2011, 10:35 AM
Keeping a kickoff specialist = fail.
Yeah, I'm glad they kept Bailey, but I'm not sure we need a KO guy with the new rules.
Surely by next year Bailey can improve his leg strength and we can go with him only... If Bailey proves he can kick FGs.
Wrangler87
09-03-2011, 10:35 AM
Keeping a kickoff specialist = fail.
At least he can tackle. Trying to find a positive here...
Mr Cowboy
09-03-2011, 10:36 AM
Yeah, I'm glad they kept Bailey, but I'm not sure we need a KO guy with the new rules.
Agreed!
RastaRocket
09-03-2011, 10:36 AM
Keeping a kickoff specialist = fail.
Exactly what I'm thinking.... maybe they are still hoping one day Buehler can kick it straight with that cannon leg.
I'd almost rather us not kick a touchback every play.
Yeah, I'm glad they kept Bailey, but I'm not sure we need a KO guy with the new rules.
Maybe the rules will change again. Then I´m glad we kept Buehler.
Mansta54
09-03-2011, 10:37 AM
This defensive line scares me. Not that Igor was all that great, but I don't think cutting him makes us any better. We'll just let a Jag take his place. One Jag for another.
Is Jerry broke? Can we please shop the waiver wire.
You've gotta be kiddin, right? Igor was absolutely awful, he got pushed around like he was on skates. Keeping him takes up a roster spot when we could use that spot for some of the younger players to look at. I didn't see any of them gettin pushed around like Igor... Igor was terrible!!!
The Quest for Six
09-03-2011, 10:39 AM
Keeping a kickoff specialist = fail.
I agree
Anguillidae
09-03-2011, 10:40 AM
Keeping a kickoff specialist = fail.
:hammer:
DOUBLE WING
09-03-2011, 10:41 AM
This is totally a Jerry thing. There's no way Garrett keeps two kickers. Someone please convince me otherwise.
Arch Stanton
09-03-2011, 10:41 AM
“Sometimes players get evaluated based on what they’ve done in the past,” Garrett said. “You have to kind of look at them and say ‘OK, let’s take the numbers off these guys and evaluate how they’re playing right now.”’
Two kickers = waste of a roster spot.
Mansta54
09-03-2011, 10:45 AM
“Sometimes players get evaluated based on what they’ve done in the past,” Garrett said. “You have to kind of look at them and say ‘OK, let’s take the numbers off these guys and evaluate how they’re playing right now.”’
This is one of many reasons why I like JG so much. This statement is accurate and speaks volumes..
johnnyd
09-03-2011, 10:47 AM
Two kickers = waste of a roster spot.
agreed . unacceptable even more now
brett2223
09-03-2011, 10:50 AM
You've gotta be kiddin, right? Igor was absolutely awful, he got pushed around like he was on skates. Keeping him takes up a roster spot when we could use that spot for some of the younger players to look at. I didn't see any of them gettin pushed around like Igor... Igor was terrible!!!
:hammer: :hammer:
agreed . unacceptable even more now
Somebody keeps waiting for the light to go on for Beuhler. He is always gonna be around 75% and miss at the worst possible time.
Hostile
09-03-2011, 10:54 AM
This is totally a Jerry thing. There's no way Garrett keeps two kickers. Someone please convince me otherwise.It is a Rob Ryan thing. He wants the field position advantage and no I am not guessing.
Kangaroo
09-03-2011, 10:56 AM
I think it is more because we have a rookie FG kicker who needs to add more leg strength and if they do not find a vet to replace him they will worry about a dead leg later in the year and his kickoffs not going deep enough giving the other team better field position.
casmith07
09-03-2011, 10:56 AM
Looks like we're going to keep 4 RBs.
Choice will likely be traded before the deadline...any thoughts?
Displaced Cowboy
09-03-2011, 10:57 AM
If buehler makes KO returns non-existent then he has a greater impact than any other player they would keep as the 53rd man.
casmith07
09-03-2011, 10:58 AM
Well, think of The Beuhler as a punt team gunner and kickoff team gunner that also happens to be able to boot the ball through the uprights on kickoffs.
So we technically only have one kicker on the team, Bailey. The Buehler is more of an athlete ;)
starsfreak31
09-03-2011, 10:58 AM
Because in Fall-Winter when it's cold or windy I want my kicker to still give us good field position. It isn't a bad move.
ChldsPlay
09-03-2011, 11:01 AM
It is a Rob Ryan thing. He wants the field position advantage and no I am not guessing.
What advantage?
Kangaroo
09-03-2011, 11:03 AM
What advantage? People always starting at the 20 after a kickoff
Hostile
09-03-2011, 11:03 AM
What advantage?Seriously?
speedkilz88
09-03-2011, 11:07 AM
Coach DeCamillis early on said he wanted the kicker to be able to hang it up high at the goalline and in the corner so they can stop the returner inside the 20. Buehler can do that, Bailey not so much.
burmafrd
09-03-2011, 11:10 AM
Seriously?
Many do not realize what an advantage it is to the D to know that they almost always will make the O start at the 20.
AND no kickoff returns means fewer injuries.
burmafrd
09-03-2011, 11:11 AM
Coach DeCamillis early on said he wanted the kicker to be able to hang it up high at the goalline and in the corner so they can stop the returner inside the 20. Buehler can do that, Bailey not so much.
frankly that is a bad idea.
Yeah maybe 2 out of 3 time you can get them inside the 20- but usually not inside the 15.
And then the third time the guy busts it out to the 40 or maybe all the way
CCBoy
09-03-2011, 11:12 AM
Many do not realize what an advantage it is to the D to know that they almost always will make the O start at the 20.
AND no kickoff returns means fewer injuries.
Defininitely as nice as a never miss long snapper...who has a roster spot as well.
Picksix
09-03-2011, 11:12 AM
Because in Fall-Winter when it's cold or windy I want my kicker to still give us good field position. It isn't a bad move.
No, it isn't a bad move. If he consistently forces the opposing offense to start at the 20, then it helps the defense significantly (which they need right now). It's just unfortunate. But if it helps us win games, then it's a good move.
Hostile
09-03-2011, 11:14 AM
Many do not realize what an advantage it is to the D to know that they almost always will make the O start at the 20.
AND no kickoff returns means fewer injuries.
It shouldn't baffle me but it does.
T-shirt fans. Credit to Saltwatr for that one.
Hostile
09-03-2011, 11:15 AM
No, it isn't a bad move. If he consistently forces the opposing offense to start at the 20, then it helps the defense significantly (which they need right now). It's just unfortunate. But if it helps us win games, then it's a good move.Say it louder.
CCBoy
09-03-2011, 11:17 AM
Bailey doesn't come with the five year veteran clause where he's guaranteed his total salary even if he is released. Bailey gets the start. If a veteran is needed, then he will be signed after the Jet game some time.
Sam I Am
09-03-2011, 11:18 AM
How does Igor go from stout vs the run to a standing on ice so quickly. Maybe he just doesn't want to be here? That is a terrible way to go about getting out of here if that is what it is.
Either way, glad he is gone.
craig71
09-03-2011, 11:19 AM
I'm not too concerned about carrying two kickers to begin the season. I think the kicker situation is going to be somewhat fluid, just because they start with two doesn't mean they will carry two throughout the year.
Craig
realtick
09-03-2011, 11:19 AM
I'd like to bring in Gabe Watson.
I thought he had revived his career somewhat over in Arizona the past few seasons.
Hostile
09-03-2011, 11:19 AM
Wade Phillips reportedly has peed his pants in Houston.
Chocolate Lab
09-03-2011, 11:21 AM
Coach DeCamillis early on said he wanted the kicker to be able to hang it up high at the goalline and in the corner so they can stop the returner inside the 20. Buehler can do that, Bailey not so much.
Obviously I could be wrong, but I have a feeling most coaches are going to eventually try this, and there will be the same number or fewer touchbacks than before. Somehow I can't believe that most ST coaches will just want to mindlessly kick it through the endzone and start from the 20... I think they'll believe they can do better.
Which means that league administration will fail or even backfire again.
speedkilz88
09-03-2011, 11:22 AM
How does Igor go from stout vs the run to a standing on ice so quickly. Maybe he just doesn't want to be here? That is a terrible way to go about getting out of here if that is what it is.
Either way, glad he is gone.It makes me suspicious of being on and then off of steroids.
TheSport78
09-03-2011, 11:23 AM
Per Broaddus
"Was told last nite they were looking at keeping 4 RBs and 2 Kickers. Bailey and Buehler were the two. Going short at ILB."
So Cummings or Lemon does not make the team. Banking a LOT on Brooking staying healthy until Carter comes off PUP.
RastaRocket
09-03-2011, 11:23 AM
It makes me suspicious of being on and then off of steroids.
I always assumed Igor juiced but you never know.
CCBoy
09-03-2011, 11:23 AM
Wade Phillips reportedly has peed his pants in Houston.
Easy fella'....:D
2233boys
09-03-2011, 11:24 AM
Cowboys will go with two kickers. Dan Bailey will handle field goals. David Buehler will be kickoff specialist again.
20 minutes ago via TweetDeck
That is retarded, Jerry Jones is an idiot.
LeonDixson
09-03-2011, 11:25 AM
I wrote a couple of weeks ago that, as unfortunate as it is, if Beuhler didn't win the placekinking job, I would keep two kickers. It just makes logical sense.
edit: That is assuming that the kicker who won the job couldn't consistently put the ball deep in the endzone. I didn't see that from Bailey or Rayner either.
Sam I Am
09-03-2011, 11:25 AM
Per Broaddus
"Was told last nite they were looking at keeping 4 RBs and 2 Kickers. Bailey and Buehler were the two. Going short at ILB."
So Cummings or Lemon does not make the team. Banking a LOT on Brooking staying healthy until Carter comes off PUP.
I gotta say; I had Cummings making the team, but only because I figured we needed to keep four ILB. Not because I thought he earned a roster spot. He was a 50/50 shot to be around the ball or miles away from it.
Ranzo
09-03-2011, 11:25 AM
Per Broaddus
"Was told last nite they were looking at keeping 4 RBs and 2 Kickers. Bailey and Buehler were the two. Going short at ILB."
So Cummings or Lemon does not make the team. Banking a LOT on Brooking staying healthy until Carter comes off PUP.
I think they like Cummings over Lemon but after seeing Ryan shaking his head over his missed assignment resulting in a TD I'm not certain. He did make a lot of other plays, though.
unionjack8
09-03-2011, 11:26 AM
If buehler makes KO returns non-existent then he has a greater impact than any other player they would keep as the 53rd man.
spot on, we have a winner.
Sam I Am
09-03-2011, 11:27 AM
That is retarded, Jerry Jones is an idiot.
Have you seen our kickers? I don't think there is anything retarded about it.
The only real question is do they really think Bailey was that much better than Beuhler at place kicking to allocate a second kicker roster spot? I didn't see either one of them being all that great. If you got two kickers that are close to the same level at kicking, just keep the guy that can kick it miles.
johnnyd
09-03-2011, 11:27 AM
That is retarded, Jerry Jones is an idiot.
cant blame jerry for the bad things and only praise jason for the good. This is a dumb move and jason has to share in the bashing.
Carter and Forbath PUP. Tanner made it, Orie Lemon didnt. Per twitter.
Arch Stanton
09-03-2011, 11:28 AM
calvinwatkins Calvin Watkins
Looks like LB Orie Lemon won't make #Cowboys 53 but could get to practice squad.
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2233boys
09-03-2011, 11:28 AM
Have you seen our kickers? I don't think there is anything retarded about it.
The only real question is do they really think Bailey was that much better than Beuhler at place kicking to allocate a second kicker roster spot? I didn't see either one of them being all that great. If you got two kickers that are close to the same level at kicking, just keep the guy that can kick it miles.
It is retarded to keep two kickers.
Ranzo
09-03-2011, 11:29 AM
Carter and Forbath PUP. Tanner made it, Orie Lemon didnt. Per twitter.
Onward to the White House!
I think Igor just doesnt fit the way DE are asked to play in Ryans defense.....thats all....
Keeping 2 Kickers is the safe way for now till this other kicker they have gets healthy. If this young kid gets healthy and proves to the Cowboys he can kick FG and have long enough kickoffs....then I can see both of these kickers now cut.
Im a little worried about keeping little depth at inside LB.....I think its one of our biggest weakness.
Frozen700
09-03-2011, 11:30 AM
Maybe the rules will change again. Then I´m glad we kept Buehler.
not only that...what if its the end of the game and we need a 65 yard field goal to tie it or win it?
you go with buehler
2233boys
09-03-2011, 11:30 AM
cant blame jerry for the bad things and only praise jason for the good. This is a dumb move and jason has to share in the bashing.
This has Jerry all over it, he said they were doing it weeks ago. Seems like Jason isn't really in charge. Jerry doing whatever ge can to try and make the 2009 draft to look like the trainwreck it was.
LeonDixson
09-03-2011, 11:31 AM
Have you seen our kickers? I don't think there is anything retarded about it.
The only real question is do they really think Bailey was that much better than Beuhler at place kicking to allocate a second kicker roster spot? I didn't see either one of them being all that great. If you got two kickers that are close to the same level at kicking, just keep the guy that can kick it miles.
Baily may be a stopgap kicker until Forbath gets healthy. For that matter Beuhler may be a stopgap kickoff specialist too if Forbath has a really strong leg. This is an interesting scenario. I haven't watched Forbath in College much, but I read that he is very good. I guess we'll see how it all plays out.
Hostile
09-03-2011, 11:32 AM
This has Jerry all over it, he said they were doing it weeks ago. Seems like Jason isn't really in charge. Jerry doing whatever ge can to try and make the 2009 draft to look like the trainwreck it was.:laugh2:
Ranzo
09-03-2011, 11:33 AM
This would all be much smoother if "The Turk" had his own Twitter feed.
Chocolate Lab
09-03-2011, 11:33 AM
This would all be much smoother if "The Turk" had his own Twitter feed.
:laugh2:
2233boys
09-03-2011, 11:34 AM
:laugh2:
Laugh it up Jerry apologist. It is certainly an odd coincidence and not something the moron hasn't done before.
TheSport78
09-03-2011, 11:34 AM
I have a feeling our kicker situation will be completely different after week 1. If Bailey doesn't perform well then Jerry will be on the lookout for a veteran kicker.
This has Jerry all over it, he said they were doing it weeks ago. Seems like Jason isn't really in charge. Jerry doing whatever ge can to try and make the 2009 draft to look like the trainwreck it was.
:bang2: :bang2: :bang2:
I dont know why its so hard to understand that all these decisions are a collective decision
Why is it always....a bad move = Jerry and a approved move = JG?
We all know you not a Jerry lover.....we get it.....
Hostile
09-03-2011, 11:35 AM
Laugh it up Jerry apologist. It is certainly an odd coincidence and not something the moron hasn't done before.:laugh2:
CCBoy
09-03-2011, 11:36 AM
This has Jerry all over it, he said they were doing it weeks ago. Seems like Jason isn't really in charge. Jerry doing whatever ge can to try and make the 2009 draft to look like the trainwreck it was.
Emmitt Smith and Tony Dorsett, huh? Got something against Don Perkins?
UncFelix28
09-03-2011, 11:36 AM
:laugh1: Laugh it up Jerry apologist. It is certainly an odd coincidence and not something the moron hasn't done before.
u sir are funny :) made me smile for the first time today, so keep doing your job
2233boys
09-03-2011, 11:37 AM
:bang2: :bang2: :bang2:
I dont know why its so hard to understand that all these decisions are a collective decision
Why is it always....a bad move = Jerry and a approved move = JG?
We all know you not a Jerry lover.....we get it.....I actually already stated why the move has Jerry writen all over it, just read what you quoted.
Jerry should have no say, is an idiot. This should be a coaching decision only.
2233boys
09-03-2011, 11:39 AM
:laugh2:
Typical response, you sure you didn't want to add some side story where you saved a puppy from a well?
Nirvana
09-03-2011, 11:40 AM
Per Broaddus
"Was told last nite they were looking at keeping 4 RBs and 2 Kickers. Bailey and Buehler were the two. Going short at ILB."
So Cummings or Lemon does not make the team. Banking a LOT on Brooking staying healthy until Carter comes off PUP.
I think this means they don't trust Cummings or Lemon enough to trot them out there so why keep them. I bet if a decent MLB shows up on the waiver wire we will snag him. Seems pretty risky to just go with 3 with Carter on PUP.
CCBoy
09-03-2011, 11:41 AM
Typical response, you sure you didn't want to add some side story where you saved a puppy from a well?
He's into heavy equipment now, and moving traped horses...and the bill gets bigger also. :)
Pups he does for free. :D
AsthmaField
09-03-2011, 11:43 AM
So Cummings or Lemon does not make the team. Banking a LOT on Brooking staying healthy until Carter comes off PUP.
Well, if Lemon is on the practice squad and Brooking gets hurt, they'll just activate Orie and bring him up to the 53 man roster (at someone's expense though).
Not really as risky as it looks.
Hostile
09-03-2011, 11:43 AM
Typical response, you sure you didn't want to add some side story where you saved a puppy from a well?Naw, because I never have.
Just looking forward to a day when your posts do anything but amuse me. Tantrums are so funny. I don't take anything you say seriously. I can't.
2233boys
09-03-2011, 11:43 AM
He's into heavy equipment now, and moving traped horses...and the bill gets bigger also. :)
Pups he does for free. :D
:laugh2:
For your earlier question, I never saw him play. I became a fan in 80.
reddyuta
09-03-2011, 11:45 AM
Keeping a kickoff specialist = fail.
its just not good management.
Mr Cowboy
09-03-2011, 11:45 AM
@TheBlueScreen Ralph Vacchiano
It looks like Henry Hynoski will be the #NYG fullback. He's been told he's "safe" says an NFL source. Probably means Bear Pascoe back to TE.
Hostile
09-03-2011, 11:46 AM
@TheBlueScreen Ralph Vacchiano
It looks like Henry Hynoski will be the #NYG fullback. He's been told he's "safe" says an NFL source. Probably means Bear Pascoe back to TE.:cry2:
GoCowboysGo
09-03-2011, 11:47 AM
You all can track cuts for all 32 teams:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/03/53-man-roster-cutdown-tracker/
Enjoy!
its just not good management.
I think that keeping two kickers is a huge mistake. We are wasting a roster space by doing this. I wonder how many other teams are planning on keeping two kickers....
I can't stand Buehler. Last year I had to leave the room every time he kicked a field goal. He can't be counted on. I don't want him sniffing field goal attempts.....
CCBoy
09-03-2011, 11:49 AM
:cry2:
Dang it Hos, didn't Rob Ryan state he didn't want anything internal leaking out until the Jet game...;)
ChldsPlay
09-03-2011, 11:50 AM
People always starting at the 20 after a kickoff
I'm still waiting to hear where there is much of an advantage with Buehler on this.
Seems like Bailey can get touchbacks pretty easily as well, and it also seems on kicks that aren't touchbacks (not counting Graham type kicks here), generally the guy doesn't make it back to the 20 anyway.
I just don't see an advantage in keeping an extra kicker for what might amount to a handful of kickoffs with slightly better field position.
Picksix
09-03-2011, 11:51 AM
This has Jerry all over it, he said they were doing it weeks ago. Seems like Jason isn't really in charge. Jerry doing whatever ge can to try and make the 2009 draft to look like the trainwreck it was.
Please tell me you're happy when the Cowboys win, because you're never happy about anything else they do.
CCBoy
09-03-2011, 11:53 AM
:laugh2:
For your earlier question, I never saw him play. I became a fan in 80.
I have made it the entire journey...and you would have enjoyed Don Perkins. Hos got me an autographed picture a short time ago.
Mr Cowboy
09-03-2011, 11:54 AM
:cry2:
I posted it cause I like to see you cry!;)
honyock
09-03-2011, 11:55 AM
If buehler makes KO returns non-existent then he has a greater impact than any other player they would keep as the 53rd man.
I agree, and don't have a problem with keeping the two kickers. Of all the non-Buehlers, keeping Bailey makes some sense...he did well in the preseason games and won't cost as much as Graham would have. And with that dog-awful kick coverage unit, Buehler should save the team lots of yardage in opponent starting position this year.
reddyuta
09-03-2011, 11:55 AM
I'm still waiting to hear where there is much of an advantage with Buehler on this.
Seems like Bailey can get touchbacks pretty easily as well, and it also seems on kicks that aren't touchbacks (not counting Graham type kicks here), generally the guy doesn't make it back to the 20 anyway.
I just don't see an advantage in keeping an extra kicker for what might amount to a handful of kickoffs with slightly better field position.
its not like Bailey cant kick it to the endzone from the 35,he did fine in week 1.
Eskimo
09-03-2011, 11:55 AM
It is hard to keep track of the list of known cuts.
I wonder if the mods could sticky a known cuts list.
So far, I've read or inferred the following:
Igor Olshansky
Teddy Williams
Chris Gronkowski
Shaun Chapas
Lonyae Miller
Orie Lemon
Rayner (Kicker)
Graham (kicker)
Mr Cowboy
09-03-2011, 11:56 AM
@calvinwatkins Calvin Watkins
“@tcstimmy: @calvinwatkins Think he'll end up in Houston w Phillips?” was told Houston isn't interested in igor Olshansky
12 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
speedkilz88
09-03-2011, 11:57 AM
its not like Bailey cant kick it to the endzone from the 35,he did fine in week 1.
Those were line drives.
2233boys
09-03-2011, 11:58 AM
Naw, because I never have.
Just looking forward to a day when your posts do anything but amuse me. Tantrums are so funny. I don't take anything you say seriously. I can't.
Yeah I can't take any of your wild stories seriously either. Thanks for not sharing
I actually already stated why the move has Jerry writen all over it, just read what you quoted.
Jerry should have no say, is an idiot. This should be a coaching decision only.
I think you should just get used to accepting Jerry as GM.....he has been the Cowboys GM since he bought the team.....and if you really want to know....he always had...always will have the final say. Even when your Jimmy Genius was here.
But he makes his decisions from a collection of input....mainly whoever was the head coach......
And every GM has input on their respective teams.....Like Jerry...they get input from Coaches...assistant...scouts...etc. If you think this is Jerry forcing JG on who makes the roster.....then accept that Jerry makes all the decisions.....good and bad since he bought the team.
So...I dont wanna hear....when a move is approved by you ....that it was a JG move.......that he is making a statement.....that he is in charge...etc.
Because......all that does is prove to other posters here that your only agenda posting here is to bash Jerry.
Like I said before...according to you.....Bad move = Jerry....a good move = JG
:D
ChldsPlay
09-03-2011, 11:59 AM
Those were line drives.
Are line drive touchbacks not placed at the 20?
silverbear
09-03-2011, 12:04 PM
Wade Phillips reportedly has peed his pants in Houston.
It's always nice when we can make that happen...
speedkilz88
09-03-2011, 12:05 PM
Are line drive touchbacks not placed at the 20?You have to understand that he doesn't have the leg to consistently do that. They won't all make it and on the ones that don't. Guess what? The other team just took it the distance.
2233boys
09-03-2011, 12:05 PM
I think you should just get used to accepting Jerry as GM.....he has been the Cowboys GM since he bought the team.....and if you really want to know....he always had...always will have the final say. Even when your Jimmy Genius was here.
But he makes his decisions from a collection of input....mainly whoever was the head coach......
And every GM has input on their respective teams.....Like Jerry...they get input from Coaches...assistant...scouts...etc. If you think this is Jerry forcing JG on who makes the roster.....then accept that Jerry makes all the decisions.....good and bad since he bought the team.
So...I dont wanna hear....when a move is approved by you ....that it was a JG move.......that he is making a statement.....that he is in charge...etc.
Because......all that does is prove to other posters here that your only agenda posting here is to bash Jerry.
Like I said before...according to you.....Bad move = Jerry....a good move = JG
:D I actually have never once posted that a certain move was a "Garret move" or "that was a statement move". Had Jerrah not made the ridiculous comment a couple of weeks ago or had his ridiclous history, I would have never seen anything more then this was a retarded move.
silverbear
09-03-2011, 12:06 PM
cant blame jerry for the bad things and only praise jason for the good.
You're new around here, aren't you??
@calvinwatkins Calvin Watkins
“@tcstimmy: @calvinwatkins Think he'll end up in Houston w Phillips?” was told Houston isn't interested in igor Olshansky
12 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
Wade knows he's a stiff.
Are line drive touchbacks not placed at the 20?
The problem occurs when they dont reach the endzone and then we dont get the coverage needed to have a good stop because it didnt have enough hang time.
The coaches probably agreed that their wasnt enough of a guarantee that those kicks would always be deep in the endzone.
Also....NFLN mentioned this awhile ago....teams are going to use this short KO rule to their advantage and try to see if their kickers can hang the ball high enough and long enough to drop inside the 5 yard line. Therefore trapping teams inside the 15-20.
CCBoy
09-03-2011, 12:11 PM
Beware, the Turk still walketh the floors at Valley Ranch....:chainsaw: :chop: :eekmouse: :choke:
Nirvana
09-03-2011, 12:14 PM
It is hard to keep track of the list of known cuts.
I wonder if the mods could sticky a known cuts list.
So far, I've read or inferred the following:
Igor Olshansky
Teddy Williams
Chris Gronkowski
Shaun Chapas
Lonyae Miller
Orie Lemon
Rayner (Kicker)
Graham (kicker)
Not sure how you inferred Chapas is getting cut - have not seen anything on him.
:confused:
links18
09-03-2011, 12:16 PM
Not sure how you inferred Chapas is getting cut - have not seen anything on him.
:confused:
Shefter reported we may go w/o a fullback, I think.
Aliencowboy
09-03-2011, 12:16 PM
espn_macmahon Tim MacMahon
Igor Olshansky is out, but theCowboys still plan to go with 7 DL. Clifton Geathers will make the team.
24 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
wow, i'm impressed on how Garrett has changed the status quo around the cowboys. They are making moves now that were not done or done years too late in the past. No matter what the record is this year it's an organization you can feel proud of again.
Eskimo
09-03-2011, 12:19 PM
Not sure how you inferred Chapas is getting cut - have not seen anything on him.
:confused:
It was a pure inference from the talking of going long at several other spots and Philips ability to play TE. Perhaps the list can be broken down into confirmed and speculative.
I'm just itching like crazy to know the roster.
Hostile
09-03-2011, 12:20 PM
I posted it cause I like to see you cry!;)Bully.
Hostile
09-03-2011, 12:21 PM
Yeah I can't take any of your wild stories seriously either. Thanks for not sharingYeah, I don't care because I don't lie.
MC KAos
09-03-2011, 12:26 PM
I'm coming around to the beuhler thing. The more we can do to help our suspect defense the better. I hope we cut choice, mainly because I'd like to see Murray as our #2.
Off topic, why does your post count only show 700 posts hos?I'm sure u have like 50 times that at least!
realtick
09-03-2011, 12:27 PM
I hope we aren't saving a roster spot for Chapas, he and Gronk are cut from the same cloth in terms of what they bring.
He's better suited to sit out a year on the practice squad for us.
Hostile
09-03-2011, 12:28 PM
Off topic, why does your post count only show 700 posts hos?I'm sure u have like 50 times that at least!I reset it to 0 when I hit 100,000.
ajk23az
09-03-2011, 12:29 PM
Cowboys waived FB/TE Jason Pociask.
Pociask was unable to make enough of an impression at fullback after switching from tight end early in camp. A blocking specialist, Pociask has not appeared in a game since 2007.
skinsscalper
09-03-2011, 12:31 PM
I reset it to 0 when I hit 100,000.
Hos is just rolling over the ol' odometer.
:bow:
CCBoy
09-03-2011, 12:31 PM
I hope we aren't saving a roster spot for Chapas, he and Gronk are cut from the same cloth in terms of what they bring.
He's better suited to sit out a year on the practice squad for us.
The 'nice' effect at fullback?
Nirvana
09-03-2011, 12:32 PM
"@BloggingTheBoys: #Cowboys CUT: DE Olshansky WR Williams FB Gronkowski K Graham K Rayner KEEP:RB Tanner K Buehler K Bailey DE Geathers"
Nirvana
09-03-2011, 12:38 PM
BarryChurch42 Barry M. Church
Damn 2 of my boys gone, this buisness is crazy
AOA and ? I thought we would keep McCray. Is he talking about Sendejo?
http://twitter.com/#!/BarryChurch42
Eskimo
09-03-2011, 12:39 PM
It is hard to keep track of the list of known cuts.
I wonder if the mods could sticky a known cuts list.
So far, I've read or inferred the following:
Igor Olshansky
Teddy Williams
Chris Gronkowski
Shaun Chapas
Lonyae Miller
Orie Lemon
Rayner (Kicker)
Graham (kicker)
Jason Posiask
Updated a little.
Arch Stanton
09-03-2011, 12:40 PM
BarryChurch42 Barry M. Church
Damn 2 of my boys gone, this buisness is crazy
AOA and ? I thought we would keep McCray. Is he talking about Sendejo?
http://twitter.com/#!/BarryChurch42
Was Choice one of Church's boi's? :)
Hostile
09-03-2011, 12:40 PM
Hos is just rolling over the ol' odometer.
:bow:
I'm an old truck. There were never any 100,000 mile odometers in my day. They stopped at 99,999 and then reset.
So did I.
Hey, I think my axle is bent.
MC KAos
09-03-2011, 12:42 PM
its gonna be interesting to see who makes the team between holley, harris, and johnson
thecharles
09-03-2011, 12:43 PM
Maybe the rules will change again. Then I´m glad we kept Buehler.
The rules changed b/c of injuries. This dumb rule will not be changed, unfortunately.
speedkilz88
09-03-2011, 12:44 PM
BarryChurch42 Barry M. Church
Damn 2 of my boys gone, this buisness is crazy
AOA and ? I thought we would keep McCray. Is he talking about Sendejo?
http://twitter.com/#!/BarryChurch42 (http://twitter.com/#%21/BarryChurch42)
Was Choice one of Church's boi's? :)He could be talking about anybody. If he was referring to safeties, Sendejo and Zych could just as easily be the guys as AOA.
Bluestang
09-03-2011, 12:44 PM
For you folks that don't understand the impact of the kicking game, here's your Football 101:
If the defense knows that you are starting at the 20, the playcalling by the opposing offense is mostly going to be conservative. Coordinators do not tend to call risky plays in their own territory, so therefore the D can focus on stopping the run and put them in 3rd and longs.
But when a kickoff is returned for good yardage and field position, the possible list of plays that could be called grows. (20+ yd plays) This is because the offense has more room to operate and a mistake (turnover) would be more forgiving than turning the ball over deep in your own territory.
If everyone can put on their thinking caps from the '09 season, part of the reason that helped the D from '09 was the field position that resulted from Beuhler's touckbacks.
speedkilz88
09-03-2011, 12:47 PM
Scoring is definitely going to be affected by the kickoff rule. I don't think any offense gets 400 points this year.
DFWJC
09-03-2011, 12:50 PM
its gonna be interesting to see who makes the team between holley, harris, and johnson
I would predict Harris and Holley, but it's a tough call...imo...between Holley and Johnson.
speedkilz88
09-03-2011, 12:52 PM
I would predict Harris and Holley, but it's a tough call...imo...between Holley and Johnson.Not so much. Holley is a STs favorite of DeCamillis.
DFWJC
09-03-2011, 12:54 PM
Not so much. Holley is a STs favorite of DeCamillis.
Yes, he is.
He's starting to look a bit more polished in the passing game too. Great story.
johnnyd
09-03-2011, 12:54 PM
For you folks that don't understand the impact of the kicking game, here's your Football 101:
If the defense knows that you are starting at the 20, the playcalling by the opposing offense is mostly going to be conservative. Coordinators do not tend to call risky plays in their own territory, so therefore the D can focus on stopping the run and put them in 3rd and longs.
But when a kickoff is returned for good yardage and field position, the possible list of plays that could be called grows. (20+ yd plays) This is because the offense has more room to operate and a mistake (turnover) would be more forgiving than turning the ball over deep in your own territory.
If everyone can put on their thinking caps from the '09 season, part of the reason that helped the D from '09 was the field position that resulted from Beuhler's touckbacks.
I know your being sarcastic but the issue for most of us are just frustrated that we have to keep 2 guys for a 1 person job . Its been years since we had a kicker that i didnt have to hold my breath and pray to the lord that he just make it . Lets go get a good kicker for once and i dont mean a washed up vanderjagt.
Yuma Cactus
09-03-2011, 12:55 PM
Church's Bois are McCann, McCray, Lonyae Miller and AOA.
Bluestang
09-03-2011, 12:58 PM
I know your being sarcastic but the issue for most of us are just frustrated that we have to keep 2 guys for a 1 person job . Its been years since we had a kicker that i didnt have to hold my breath and pray to the lord that he just make it . Lets go get a good kicker for once and i dont mean a washed up vanderjagt.
Believe me I am frustrated by the issue too but it makes sense when you look at the stats from '09 and '10. Giving up a roster spot for an extra kicker is crucial but when it helps out the D than I am all for it.
Arch Stanton
09-03-2011, 12:58 PM
He could be talking about anybody. If he was referring to safeties, Sendejo and Zych could just as easily be the guys as AOA.
I guess you missed the joke?
realtick
09-03-2011, 12:58 PM
Scoring is definitely going to be affected by the kickoff rule. I don't think any offense gets 400 points this year.
Teams score 1 to 2 kick return TD's a year, that isn't going to change the scoring output of the league.
ThreeandOut
09-03-2011, 12:59 PM
Hos is just rolling over the ol' odometer.
:bow:
This may be a brand new Hos...after all he's advocating keeping two kickers #bizarrothtread.
MC KAos
09-03-2011, 12:59 PM
i was kind of hoping for johnson and holley, i think harris could be snuck into the practice squad.
a quick question about practice squad players...
i know any team can claim a player from any other practice squad. my question is, does the team whose practice squad a player is in get a chance to move the player to the 53 man roster or are they just picked up with out the team being able to do anything about it?
birminghambuckeyes
09-03-2011, 01:00 PM
Yuma
I love the quote from Reagan. Back to football.
Sam I Am
09-03-2011, 01:01 PM
Hos, somemod. How about a sticky thread that has the most updated cut info in the first post?
realtick
09-03-2011, 01:02 PM
i was kind of hoping for johnson and holley, i think harris could be snuck into the practice squad.
a quick question about practice squad players...
i know any team can claim a player from any other practice squad. my question is, does the team whose practice squad a player is in get a chance to move the player to the 53 man roster or are they just picked up with out the team being able to do anything about it?
I believe the team sort of gets a first right of refusal if they put the player on the 53-man roster (I could be wrong about that). Conversely, the team that does grab another team's practice squad player has to put them on their 53-man roster as well.
skinsscalper
09-03-2011, 01:03 PM
For you folks that don't understand the impact of the kicking game, here's your Football 101:
If the defense knows that you are starting at the 20, the playcalling by the opposing offense is mostly going to be conservative. Coordinators do not tend to call risky plays in their own territory, so therefore the D can focus on stopping the run and put them in 3rd and longs.
But when a kickoff is returned for good yardage and field position, the possible list of plays that could be called grows. (20+ yd plays) This is because the offense has more room to operate and a mistake (turnover) would be more forgiving than turning the ball over deep in your own territory.
If everyone can put on their thinking caps from the '09 season, part of the reason that helped the D from '09 was the field position that resulted from Beuhler's touckbacks.
Interesting angle that, upon further pondering, has some merit.Though with every target moved, through rule change or otherwise, the league adapts. Teams may be more risk oriented in an attempt to be less predictable in those situations.
Good post, stang.
speedkilz88
09-03-2011, 01:03 PM
Teams score 1 to 2 kick return TD's a year, that isn't going to change the scoring output of the league.Offense's will have further to go. Scoring will be down. You can go back to the original rule change to the 30 which increased scoring.
birdwells1
09-03-2011, 01:04 PM
If buehler makes KO returns non-existent then he has a greater impact than any other player they would keep as the 53rd man.
Wow. Simple put but brilliant, what do you think his touchback percentage should be?
Hostile
09-03-2011, 01:04 PM
This may be a brand new Hos...after all he's advocating keeping two kickers #bizarrothtread.Not me. I don't want either one of them.
DallasEast
09-03-2011, 01:08 PM
Wow. Simple put but brilliant, what do you think his touchback percentage should be?
Buehler's leg should put him in the 75%-85% touchback range in my opinion. He should boom at least half of them over the endzone now.
FLcowboy
09-03-2011, 01:08 PM
Cowboys will go with two kickers. Dan Bailey will handle field goals. David Buehler will be kickoff specialist again.
20 minutes ago via TweetDeck
I can't believe the organization can't find a kicker that is able to do both jobs. How many other NFL teams carry two kickers.
FLcowboy
09-03-2011, 01:10 PM
This kind of info is when Twitter is priceless.
Tweet, tweet:laugh2:
Mr Cowboy
09-03-2011, 01:11 PM
Stephen McGee
@StephenMcGee07 Stephen McGee
Worst day in the NFL, hate 2 see dreams of many friends who work tirelessly come to end. Every day is a privilege esp w the star on helmet!
51 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
Bluestang
09-03-2011, 01:11 PM
I can't believe the organization can't find a kicker that is able to do both jobs. How many other NFL teams carry two kickers.
How many teams have a kicker in flux situation?
Sam I Am
09-03-2011, 01:13 PM
Stephen McGee
@StephenMcGee07 Stephen McGee
Worst day in the NFL, hate 2 see dreams of many friends who work tirelessly come to end. Every day is a privilege esp w the star on helmet!
51 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
The level of "like" for Stephen McGee just spiked up a bit. :)
DFWJC
09-03-2011, 01:13 PM
i was kind of hoping for johnson and holley, i think harris could be snuck into the practice squad.
a quick question about practice squad players...
i know any team can claim a player from any other practice squad. my question is, does the team whose practice squad a player is in get a chance to move the player to the 53 man roster or are they just picked up with out the team being able to do anything about it?
I think Harris would have the most teams interested him....not Holley or Johnson.
He led the team in receiving yards, TDs , YPC, and kick return average in the preseason. No drops either. He had a good punt return his last game but really was just on par with AOA, as each returned 4 punts and fair caught once.
Bluestang
09-03-2011, 01:14 PM
Buehler's leg should put him in the 75%-85% touchback range in my opinion. He should boom at least half of them over the endzone now.
I certainly hope so, I also hope that DeCamilis has Beuhler just kick the snot out of the ball for a touchback and not the direectional nonsense that he tried last year.
It's too much of a gamble to allow the returner to take it out of the endzone.
ChldsPlay
09-03-2011, 01:15 PM
I just think that even with Bailey 90% of the kickoffs will either be a touchback or have a returns that don't go farther than 1 or 2 yards past the 20, and with many of those around, or even inside the 15.
I just don't think there would be more than a handful of kickoffs, all year, where there would be much of an advantage at all, and even then it should be pretty minimal.
theogt
09-03-2011, 01:16 PM
Does Buehler have nude photos of Jerry or something? What the hell are they thinking keeping that worthless idiot?
realtick
09-03-2011, 01:18 PM
Does Buehler have nude photos of Jerry or something? What the hell are they thinking keeping that worthless idiot?
Do you have some of Hos or something? Because nobody can explain your continued existence on this board either.
speedkilz88
09-03-2011, 01:18 PM
I certainly hope so, I also hope that DeCamilis has Beuhler just kick the snot out of the ball for a touchback and not the direectional nonsense that he tried last year.
It's too much of a gamble to allow the returner to take it out of the endzone.I think we are going to see the high hangers. If the other team has a top returner then I think they might just let him kill it. (or if the coverage team just sucks)
DallasEast
09-03-2011, 01:20 PM
I certainly hope so, I also hope that DeCamilis has Beuhler just kick the snot out of the ball for a touchback and not the directional nonsense that he tried last year.
It's too much of a gamble to allow the returner to take it out of the endzone.
I would like to see that minimized as well, but there are some game situations when your team is trailing the opponent and the clock is working against you. If you don't want to risk an onside kick to get the ball back quickly, a [well-placed] directional kickoff could pin your opponent within the ten or fifteen yard line. Every bit of extra field position would then give the defense an opportunity of getting the ball back in the hands of their offense.
Bluestang
09-03-2011, 01:23 PM
I would like to see that minimized as well, but there are some game situations when your team is trailing the opponent and the clock is working against you. If you don't want to risk an onside kick to get the ball back quickly, a [well-placed] directional kickoff could pin your opponent within the ten or fifteen yard line. Every bit of extra field position would then give the defense an opportunity of getting the ball back in the hands of their offense.
I concur with that situation.
burmafrd
09-03-2011, 01:23 PM
I would like to see that minimized as well, but there are some game situations when your team is trailing the opponent and the clock is working against you. If you don't want to risk an onside kick to get the ball back quickly, a [well-placed] directional kickoff could pin your opponent within the ten or fifteen yard line. Every bit of extra field position would then give the defense an opportunity of getting the ball back in the hands of their offense.
the fact is the directional kick strategy very rarely works unless the other team is incompetent
Hostile
09-03-2011, 01:26 PM
Do you have some of Hos or something? Because nobody can explain your continued existence on this board either.He subscribed.
cowboyjoe
09-03-2011, 01:27 PM
BloggingTheBoysBlogging The Boys
#Cowboys TE/FB Jason Pocsiak also released. Team could go four deep at TE with no FB... TE Rucker may have earned slot with Bennett hurt
DallasEast
09-03-2011, 01:27 PM
the fact is the directional kick strategy very rarely works unless the other team is incompetent
And sometimes your options are fairly limited.
silver
09-03-2011, 01:28 PM
It is a Rob Ryan thing. He wants the field position advantage and no I am not guessing.
they way we cover kicks, touch backs are absolutely necessary
cowboyjoe
09-03-2011, 01:28 PM
BloggingTheBoysBlogging The Boys
#Cowboys TE/FB Jason Pocsiak also released. Team could go four deep at TE with no FB... TE Rucker may have earned slot with Bennett hurt
silver
09-03-2011, 01:29 PM
BloggingTheBoysBlogging The Boys
#Cowboys TE/FB Jason Pocsiak also released. Team could go four deep at TE with no FB... TE Rucker may have earned slot with Bennett hurt
Rucker may stick around after Bennett returns. He's a good player.
Sam I Am
09-03-2011, 01:29 PM
the fact is the directional kick strategy very rarely works unless the other team is incompetent
Umm. Do you understand the logic of why teams directional kick? Directional kicking is infinitely more logical than kicking right down the center of the field. You limit the directional choices the returner can go. Meaning, you have less field that your special teams unit has to cover.
Risen Star
09-03-2011, 01:29 PM
There's no way we could sneak Harris onto the practice squad.
And I don't know why the heck we'd want to. He's a player. Find a spot for him.
cowboyjoe
09-03-2011, 01:31 PM
BloggingTheBoysBlogging The Boys
#Cowboys TE/FB Jason Pocsiak also released. Team could go four deep at TE with no FB... TE Rucker may have earned slot with Bennett hurt
Dallas Cowboys Roster Cuts Tracker - 9/3/11
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 3, 2011 10:33 AM CDT in Dallas Cowboys 2011 Pre-Season
.....
********
1:19 ET: TE Jason Pociask was released, according to Adam Caplan (hat tip KeyOfZ)
12:24 ET: Looks like LB Orie Lemon doesn't make the roster, PS candidate (hat tip to Aaron Novinger)
11:44 ET: Phillip Tanner makes the team as expected (hat tip to Aaron Novinger)
.....
Bluestang
09-03-2011, 01:31 PM
There's no way we could sneak Harris onto the practice squad.
And I don't know why the heck we'd want to. He's a player. Find a spot for him.
I am fairly certain he makes the roster.
Risen Star
09-03-2011, 01:32 PM
Umm. Do you understand the logic of why teams directional kick? Directional kicking is infinitely more logical than kicking right down the center of the field.
I've seen the directional kicking backfire on Coach D many times.
The strategy is good, but you need an accurate kicker/punter to make it all work. Buehler's put a few out of bounds and set the offense up at the 40 due to trying to place the ball at a spot rather than just teeing off.
Sam I Am
09-03-2011, 01:33 PM
There's no way we could sneak Harris onto the practice squad.
And I don't know why the heck we'd want to. He's a player. Find a spot for him.
There is no way the Cowboys don't keep him on the roster. He would be snatched up in a heartbeat. Besides, they need the depth at WR and he is easily in the top five WRs on the team and we will keep an absolute minimum of five.
silverbear
09-03-2011, 01:33 PM
Hey, I think my axle is bent.
TMI...
WAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY TMI...
Bluestang
09-03-2011, 01:34 PM
I've seen the directional kicking backfire on Coach D many times.
The strategy is good, but you need an accurate kicker/punter to make it all work. Buehler's put a few out of bounds and set the offense up at the 40 due to trying to place the ball at a spot rather than just teeing off.
Beuhler kicked the ball out of bounds 3 times last year.
Sam I Am
09-03-2011, 01:35 PM
I've seen the directional kicking backfire on Coach D many times.
The strategy is good, but you need an accurate kicker/punter to make it all work. Buehler's put a few out of bounds and set the offense up at the 40 due to trying to place the ball at a spot rather than just teeing off.
That is a kicker error, not an error in logic. It's a logic error to kick straight down the middle of the field. Coaches get fired for illogical decision making.
You would have to have an extremely horrible kicker to make kicking down the center the logical choice. (i.e. he kicks it out of bounce A LOT)
With the KO shorter this year....directional kicking might not be as important....
Sure they want to pin them deep on one side of the field...but because of the shorten KO and the hang time Buehler can kick.....it wont have to be perfect.
I think you can kick it straight down the middle as long as you have enough hang time. Maybe Im expecting to much out of this 5 yard difference....but on NFLN they were saying this could be a secret weapon not talked or used much in preseason.
Anyways....to be safe.....I just have Buehler always try to kick the ball out of the endzone ...and give the team the ball on the 20.
Sam I Am
09-03-2011, 01:40 PM
Beuhler kicked the ball out of bounds 3 times last year.
Out of how many kickoffs? Maybe 64? (averaging 4 a game) That would be a about 4% of his kickoffs kicked out of bounds. You want zero, but 4% isn't worth NOT using directional kicking.
Sam I Am
09-03-2011, 01:41 PM
With the KO shorter this year....directional kicking might not be as important....
I would think Beuhler should be able to get 100% touchbacks with the new rules, so I agree. The only directional kicking should be the punter.
burmafrd
09-03-2011, 01:46 PM
Umm. Do you understand the logic of why teams directional kick? Directional kicking is infinitely more logical than kicking right down the center of the field. You limit the directional choices the returner can go. Meaning, you have less field that your special teams unit has to cover.
what was being talked about was trying to get the opponent pinned down late in the game when we were behind. Directional kicking in that example rarely works.
Now as regards trying to kick away from a dangerous returner, you are still better off trying to get it as deep as possible and with Beuhler that is.
kmd24
09-03-2011, 01:46 PM
Out of how many kickoffs? Maybe 64? (averaging 4 a game) That would be a about 4% of his kickoffs kicked out of bounds. You want zero, but 4% isn't worth NOT using directional kicking.
Buehler kicked off 84 times in 2010.
Risen Star
09-03-2011, 01:48 PM
With the KO shorter this year....directional kicking might not be as important....
It shouldn't be. Unless you really have a strong coverage team and want to pin them even deeper than the 20.
If it's me and we must keep Buehler, then I'd just have him tee off on all kickoffs. Take the touchback and let's play defense.
Bluestang
09-03-2011, 01:49 PM
Out of how many kickoffs? Maybe 64? (averaging 4 a game) That would be a about 4% of his kickoffs kicked out of bounds. You want zero, but 4% isn't worth NOT using directional kicking.
85 KOs last year, 79 KOs in '09 with none of them kicked out of bounds. A ball kicked out bounds is a disaster. Helps the other team's momentum and play calling opportunities.
Risen Star
09-03-2011, 01:49 PM
Out of how many kickoffs? Maybe 64? (averaging 4 a game) That would be a about 4% of his kickoffs kicked out of bounds. You want zero, but 4% isn't worth NOT using directional kicking.
He wasn't directional kicking on all those kickoffs.
I don't know the stats, I just know he screwed it up more than a couple of times.
Nirvana
09-03-2011, 01:56 PM
Mr4thAndLong Jesse Holley
Having a Tough Time Will Joy for self and Sadness for people close to me. #NFL tough league on and off the field.
http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=Mr4thAndLong
Nirvana
09-03-2011, 02:14 PM
choice23 Tashard Choice
@
@abake6 ill be in dallas bru
19 hours ago
http://twitter.com/#!/tchoice23
TheCoolFan
09-03-2011, 02:22 PM
Geathers making the team ftw!
Dash28
09-03-2011, 02:45 PM
This has Jerry all over it, he said they were doing it weeks ago. Seems like Jason isn't really in charge. Jerry doing whatever ge can to try and make the 2009 draft to look like the trainwreck it was.
:lmao:
fortdick
09-03-2011, 03:32 PM
Typical response, you sure you didn't want to add some side story where you saved a puppy from a well?
Why cap on Hos? He is the most knowledgeable poster here. He is the most perceptive and even handed. Don't look now, but your agenda is showing.
BTW, he won't ban you just for being a troll, but I would.
Kudos Hos.
fortdick
09-03-2011, 03:35 PM
its not like Bailey cant kick it to the endzone from the 35,he did fine in week 1.
It like this:
.22 caliber pistols have have killed more people than any other non military handgun. Yet, if someone was attacking you or your family, wouldn't you rather have a .45 and put the man down for certain?
cowboyjoe
09-03-2011, 03:40 PM
cbsdollarbillBill Jones
cowboys should strongly consider this guy “@PostBroncos: Among the surprising names on the cut list: WR David Anderson
1 hour agoFavoriteRetweetReply
anybody know him? I know he was about a 5th round draft choice of the denver broncos, has very good hands, but not fast or anything, or big
goes about 6-1 188 with 4.56 speed, my question, is he any good, i dont remember us playing him when we played against the broncos in preseason and anything standing out to me?
cowboyjoe
09-03-2011, 03:45 PM
Dallas Cowboys Roster Cuts Tracker - 9/3/11
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 3, 2011 10:33 AM CDT in Dallas Cowboys 2011 Pre-Season
The Dallas Cowboys have cut their roster to 73 players by now. Notable cuts so far: DE Igor Olshansky, FB Chris Gronkowski, TE Jason Pociask and Kickers Shayne Graham and Dave Rayner. You'll find a timeline of all personnel moves of the day after the break.
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/9/3/2402132/dallas-cowboys-roster-cuts-tracker-9-3-11
Cowboys Roster Cuts 9/3/11
Join the conversation
1:19 ET: TE Jason Pociask was released, according to Adam Caplan (hat tip KeyOfZ)
Previously: WR Raymond Radway will be placed on IR. LB Bruce Carter and K Kai Forbath were placed on the NFI/PUP list on Tuesday.
speedkilz88
09-03-2011, 03:58 PM
cbsdollarbillBill Jones
cowboys should strongly consider this guy “@PostBroncos: Among the surprising names on the cut list: WR David Anderson
1 hour agoFavoriteRetweetReply
anybody know him? I know he was about a 5th round draft choice of the denver broncos, has very good hands, but not fast or anything, or big
goes about 6-1 188 with 4.56 speed, my question, is he any good, i dont remember us playing him when we played against the broncos in preseason and anything standing out to me?Played for the Texans first. 5-10 193
2010 Houston Texans (http://www.nfl.com/teams/houstontexans/profile?team=HOU) 12 1 11 117 10.6 35 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
2009 Houston Texans (http://www.nfl.com/teams/houstontexans/profile?team=HOU) 16 8 38 370 9.7 27 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
2008 Houston Texans (http://www.nfl.com/teams/houstontexans/profile?team=HOU) 16 1 19 241 12.7 65 2 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
2007 Houston Texans (http://www.nfl.com/teams/houstontexans/profile?team=HOU) 8 0 12 131 10.9 24 1 -- -- -- -- -- 1 1
2006 Houston Texans (http://www.nfl.com/teams/houstontexans/profile?team=HOU) 9 0 1 27 27.0 27 0
Beware of any Danny Amendola/Wes Welker comparisons.;)
Nirvana
09-03-2011, 04:24 PM
taemom09 Erika Palmer
Just got a phone, and my lil brother Phillip Tanner is a official Dallas Cowboy! He told me Jerry said "you've impressed me since day 1"
http://twitter.com/#!/taemom09
cowboyjoe
09-03-2011, 04:47 PM
GregABedardGreg A. Bedard
Bills release veteran C Geoff Hangartner.... hmmm
4 minutes agoFavoriteRetweetReply
is he any good?
cowboyjoe
09-03-2011, 05:03 PM
MikeMcCartney7Mike McCartney
by EyeOnNFL
Everyone needs to remember - today is about an INITIAL 53 man roster. Not a FINAL 53 man roster. Many changes coming.
14 minutes agoFavoriteRetweetReply
cowboyjoe
09-03-2011, 05:07 PM
robphillips3Rob Phillips
Notable final cuts: Olshansky, ex/current draft picks Owusu-Ansah, Brandon Williams, Josh Thomas. Graham, Rayner cut -- Buehler, Bailey safe
1 minute agoFavoriteRetweet
Nirvana
09-03-2011, 05:08 PM
Cowboys make cuts to get to 53, here is the list
The Dallas Cowboys made the following roster moves today to reach the NFL mandated 53-man roster.
The Dallas Cowboys released the following players:
Mike Balogun LB
Tom Brandstater QB
Mario Butler CB
Shaun Chapas FB
Kenwin Cummings LB
Isaiah Greenhouse FB
Shayne Graham K
Chris Gronkowski FB
Manuel Johnson WR
Chris Jones P
Orie Lemon LB
Lyle Leong WR
Pepa Letuli G
Lonyae Miller RB
Igor Olshansky DE
Akwasi Owusu-Ansah S
Jason Pociask FB
Tysson Poots WR
Chris Randle CB
Dave Rayner K
Jimmy Saddler-McQueen DE
Andrew Sendejo S
Josh Thomas CB
Brandon Williams LB
Teddy Williams WR
Collin Zych S
The team placed the following player on the Reserve/Injured list:
Raymond Radway WR
Read more: http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.com/cowboys/2011/09/cowboys-make-cuts-to-get-to-53-here-is-the-list.html#ixzz1WviPqwPi
ethiostar
09-03-2011, 05:24 PM
The Dallas Cowboys released the following players:
Mario Butler CB
Manuel Johnson WR
I'm surprised at these two cuts.
DFWJC
09-03-2011, 06:12 PM
The Dallas Cowboys released the following players:
Mario Butler CB
Manuel Johnson WR
I'm surprised at these two cuts.
Unless they were keeping 6 WRs, I didn't see Johnson making it. No way he beats our Harris and Holley seemed to be too valuable as well.
He may not clear waivers though.
Brandon Tate does interest me though.
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