ESPND: Cowboys agree with Dockery

[Mr Cowboy]

toddarcher Todd Archer
Just filed to @ESPNDallas - Cowboys have deal with G Derrick Dockery
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espn_macmahon Tim MacMahon
RT @espncowboysblog: Montrae Holland cut, Derrick Dockery signed - es.pn/q2Jbjd
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JasonLaCanfora Jason La Canfora
Veteran guard Derrick Dockery has signed a 1 year deal with the Cowboys. They know him well from his 2 stints with Redskins
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[BigDinAZ]

Good pick-up in my opinion

[tayloner182]

toddarcher Todd Archer
Just filed to @ESPNDallas - Cowboys have deal with G Derrick Dockery
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So if we signed Dockery AND put a claim in on the Fullback, who else is getting cut?

[MichaelWinicki]

Good pickup.

[Mash]

toddarcher Todd Archer
Just filed to @ESPNDallas - Cowboys have deal with G Derrick Dockery
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So seeing how we reached the limit already with the FB we picked up on waivers.....could this deal be delayed...till the season starts? Or maybe Young is the next cut?

[Mr Cowboy]

So seeing how we reached the limit already with the FB we picked up on waivers.....could this deal be delayed...till the season starts? Or maybe Young is the next cut?

We will soon find out.

[Risen Star]

Alexander rant in 3.....2......1.....

[sureletsrace]

Fiametta will probably be put on IR.

[Mansta54]

Good pickup.

Darn good pick up. Dude is a beast in the run game and plays with a mean streak..

[Mansta54]

Alexander rant in 3.....2......1.....

Huh man!! Amazing isn't it..:rolleyes:

[reddyuta]

Fiametta will probably be put on IR.

eh? his injury is that bad?

[sureletsrace]

eh? his injury is that bad?

I don't know, that or Rucker will be released.

[Mash]

eh? his injury is that bad?

Well if thats the case then we are just keeping him for next year and he wont count against the 53 man roster

Maybe Management thought this was worth the money they will pay him to be on IR....Carolina didnt.

But still.....no FB this year?

[Mr Cowboy]

Well if thats the case then we are just keeping him for next year and he wont count against the 53 man roster

Maybe Management thought this was worth the money they will pay him to be on IR....Carolina didnt.

But still.....no FB this year?

If he is injured, Carolina would not have been able to release him without an injury settlement.

[NoDak Cowboy]

Good pick-up in my opinion

So we cut one fat guy that didn't fit what we are doing on the OL for another fat guy who's the same age and also doesn't fit and it's a good pick-up? At least the first fat guy knew our scheme.

[JPM]

If he is injured, Carolina would not have been able to release him without an injury settlement.
Correctamundo.

[Mansta54]

So we cut one fat guy that didn't fit what we are doing on the OL for another fat guy who's the same age and also doesn't fit and it's a good pick-up? At least the first fat guy knew our scheme.

I bet JG disagrees with you. I pretty sure he knows what he likes and who fits his system better you or I.. Dockery is not a fat lazy soft guy like Holland was.

[speedkilz88]

Fiametta will probably be put on IR.
For a concussion? I don't think they pick him up to pay him for nothing.

[rathalarge]

So we cut one fat guy that didn't fit what we are doing on the OL for another fat guy who's the same age and also doesn't fit and it's a good pick-up? At least the first fat guy knew our scheme.
I wouldn't necessarily classify him as fat. Reminds me of Leonard Davis but with more mobility, and a veteran in case Kosier goes down. Remember Kosier has missed time in the past 2-3 seasons.

[zrinkill]

Dockery does not look Holland fat in any picture I have seen of him.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slideshows/47/slideshow_4770/display_image.jpg?x=68111

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_t9D_ovmGhQE/Sbhf-Qc-EzI/AAAAAAAAWfs/avMm2HLYtek/s400/Derrick+Dockery.jpg

[Mansta54]

I wouldn't necessarily classify him as fat. Reminds me of Leonard Davis but with more mobility, and a veteran in case Kosier goes down. Remember Kosier has missed time in the past 2-3 seasons.

I agree!! Folks who think Dockery is fat and built like Holland couldn't have seen Dockery or his play.. They're NOT the same at all...

[NoDak Cowboy]

I bet JG disagrees with you. I pretty sure he knows what he likes and who fits his system better you or I.. Dockery is not a fat lazy soft guy like Holland was.

Oh, you're playing the "You don't know what so and so is thinking" card, eh?

I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of people here will be thinking Dockery is a WAY better player now then they did when he was starting for the skins. Weird how the star seems to make players better players.

[Mansta54]

Dockery does not look Holland fat in any picture I have seen of him.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slideshows/47/slideshow_4770/display_image.jpg?x=68111

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_t9D_ovmGhQE/Sbhf-Qc-EzI/AAAAAAAAWfs/avMm2HLYtek/s400/Derrick+Dockery.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_t9D_ovmGhQE/Sbhf-Qc-EzI/AAAAAAAAWfs/avMm2HLYtek/s400/Derrick+Dockery.jpg)

Dockery and Holland are like night and day.. Dockery is aggressive, can move, and plays nasty.. Holland was fat soft and slow and played passive...

[speedkilz88]

Oh, you're playing the "You don't know what so and so is thinking" card, eh?

I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of people here will be thinking Dockery is a WAY better player now then they did when he was starting for the skins. Weird how the star seems to make players better players.
I really don't remember anyone saying he sucked as a redskin. Maybe some now since he's 31 and that's one step in the grave to them.

[Mansta54]

Oh, you're playing the "You don't know what so and so is thinking" card, eh?

I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of people here will be thinking Dockery is a WAY better player now then they did when he was starting for the skins. Weird how the star seems to make players better players.

I'm not playing any card. I live here in the DC area and watched Dockery for yrs and followed him and he's no Holland. Call it what you want..

[Mansta54]

I really don't remember anyone saying he sucked as a redskin. Maybe some now since he's 31 and that's one step in the grave to them.

That's cause nobody did say that. The Foreskin allumni hated when they let Dockery go and didn't understand it. I've never heard anybody say Dockery wasn't any good.

[TheFinisher]

Dockery and Holland are like night and day.. Dockery is aggressive, can move, and plays nasty.. Holland was fat soft and slow and played passive...

he actually can't move, that's why the Redskins have moved on. He was a terrible fit for their ZBS.

He can block a man in front of him, but don't expect him to be able to hit targets in space or get to the 2nd level.

[Mansta54]

he actually can't move, that's why the Redskins have moved on. He was a terrible fit for their ZBS.

He can block a man in front of him, but don't expect him to be able to hit targets in space or get to the 2nd level.

I know he pulled well and was a beast in the Foreskins run game when he was here. I watched him every sunday and I'm sure JG wouldn't sign him if he couldn't move. That would be ridiculous!!

[rathalarge]

I'm not playing any card. I live here in the DC area and watched Dockery for yrs and followed him and he's no Holland. Call it what you want..
I too live in the area and you're correct! People need to realize that a veteran swing guard with experience is needed.

[NoDak Cowboy]

Just curious..... If Dockery is this great, punishing guard why didn't Dallas or anybody else for that matter, sign him before this? Why wait until less than one week before the season starts? He's been available since May. You'd think somebody would have invited this talented player to camp where they'd have time to teach him the system and see what he could do.

Each and every team signed people they knew would be little more than camp fodder to fill out the roster and have enough bodies to practice with. Why not use one of those roster spots for a guy that could possibly step in and take one of your starting guard spots? Or a vet backup spot? He could have been cut with the rest if it didn't work out.

[jaybird]

Can dockery play tackle in a pinch?

[cobra]

Good pickup.

Strong straight forward guard.

He didn't fit in Washington because they run Shanahan's over-rated zone-blocking scheme.

He's the kind of lineman that we won't 3 SBs with in the 90s.

[zrinkill]

I too live in the area and you're correct! People need to realize that a veteran swing guard with experience is needed.

They refuse.

Somebody said he was fat like Holland so the negative club is repeating it.

The Guy is a good vet on the downside of his career ..... just the kinda guy to back up our young O-line.

[viman96]

Why did the Skins release him? Did not fit their scheme?

[speedkilz88]

I know he pulled well and was a beast in the Foreskins run game when he was here. I watched him every sunday and I'm sure JG wouldn't sign him if he couldn't move. That would be ridiculous!!
That really would have to be the reason they signed him and cut Holland.

[TheFinisher]

I know he pulled well and was a beast in the Foreskins run game when he was here. I watched him every sunday and I'm sure JG wouldn't sign him if he couldn't move. That would be ridiculous!!

He was legit in the beginning of his career, and even now can be a decent back up for us. But his athleticism is definitely not his strong suit, especially at this point of his career. He's had some problems with injuries as of late.

Dockery for Holland is pretty much a lateral move IMO.

[The Quest for Six]

garbage in, garbage out

[AsthmaField]

Why did the Skins release him? Did not fit their scheme?


Correct and he made too much $$ to have as a backup option.

I'm sure after sitting out all preseason, his asking price wasn't high when we signed him.

He will be a solid backup. As good as Holland (at least) with a much better record with injuries.

[RW Hitman]

Just curious..... If Dockery is this great, punishing guard why didn't Dallas or anybody else for that matter, sign him before this? Why wait until less than one week before the season starts? He's been available since May. You'd think somebody would have invited this talented player to camp where they'd have time to teach him the system and see what he could do.

Each and every team signed people they knew would be little more than camp fodder to fill out the roster and have enough bodies to practice with. Why not use one of those roster spots for a guy that could possibly step in and take one of your starting guard spots? Or a vet backup spot? He could have been cut with the rest if it didn't work out.

not sure about other teams, but maybe the Cowboys might of wanted to see more of Holland, afterall he did know our system like someone else said, but realized Holland was not gonna fit afterall. Holland was injured for alot of preseason so that kind of prolonged his evaluation.

Not sure where you use only one argument when people who have watched him play, not only fans of the Redskins but fans of our Cowboys too, say he is a good player that can be a good fit in our system.

[Big Country]

Yessssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AsthmaField]

Just curious..... If Dockery is this great, punishing guard why didn't Dallas or anybody else for that matter, sign him before this? Why wait until less than one week before the season starts? He's been available since May. You'd think somebody would have invited this talented player to camp where they'd have time to teach him the system and see what he could do.

Each and every team signed people they knew would be little more than camp fodder to fill out the roster and have enough bodies to practice with. Why not use one of those roster spots for a guy that could possibly step in and take one of your starting guard spots? Or a vet backup spot? He could have been cut with the rest if it didn't work out.Easy answer. He isn't great.

However, neither is Holland and Dockery moves better.

I don't love Dockery... but I love Holland less.

Simply a backup option at this point and a good decision IMO.

[Big Country]

He was legit in the beginning of his career, and even now can be a decent back up for us. But his athleticism is definitely not his strong suit, especially at this point of his career. He's had some problems with injuries as of late.

Dockery for Holland is pretty much a lateral move IMO.

Disagree!!

[Mansta54]

not sure about other teams, but maybe the Cowboys might of wanted to see more of Holland, afterall he did know our system like someone else said, but realized Holland was not gonna fit afterall. Holland was injured for alot of preseason so that kind of prolonged his evaluation.

Not sure where you use only one argument when people who have watched him play, not only fans of the Redskins but fans of our Cowboys too, say he is a good player that can be a good fit in our system.

What's most important is JG thinks he'll be a good fit...

[Mansta54]

He was legit in the beginning of his career, and even now can be a decent back up for us. But his athleticism is definitely not his strong suit, especially at this point of his career. He's had some problems with injuries as of late.

Dockery for Holland is pretty much a lateral move IMO.

Toatally disagree!!!

[speedkilz88]

Has Dockery ever played Center? They could have used a gameday swing guy with experience.

[NoDak Cowboy]

not sure about other teams, but maybe the Cowboys might of wanted to see more of Holland, afterall he did know our system like someone else said, but realized Holland was not gonna fit afterall. Holland was injured for alot of preseason so that kind of prolonged his evaluation.

Just because we could have signed Dockery at the start of camp doesn't mean we would have had to cut Holland then. Both could have played and competed against each other for either the starting job (which Holland was in line for) or the vet backup spot.

[Primetime42]

Ewwww.

[NoDak Cowboy]

Easy answer. He isn't great.

However, neither is Holland and Dockery moves better.

I don't love Dockery... but I love Holland less.

Simply a backup option at this point and a good decision IMO.

But the question was, why wasn't he signed earlier? At the start of camp? I was told earlier in the thread, and I quote, "Dockery is aggressive, can move, and plays nasty." Seems if that's true, he'd be somebody that would have found a roster spot on some team to compete for a starting job at the start of camp.

[NoDak Cowboy]

Also, if we knew Holland didn't fit our system and Dockery apparantly does according to some here.... Why would our GM pay Holland a 500k roster bonus after the lockout ended when he could have signed Dockery only for the cost of the 1 yr deal he now has? Strange.

[7footer]

I don't know a great deal about Dockery other than what I've seen from him on the field. However, the general consensus around the interwebs seems to be that he is a pretty decent guard....and as a backup I'm pretty happy with the move.

Seems like a definite upgrade over Holland from what I can gather...That's a win for us.

[casmith07]

Good signing. He's better than Leonard Davis, and probably better than Nagy on day 1.

If nothing else, he definitely makes me feel a lot better about having a swing guard. Now, for tackle....

[ThreeSportStar80]

Good move...

[Dave_in-NC]

Parcells made moves like this, bringing guys in past the peak of their careers but could still contribute. Obviously the GM and JG weren't happy with Holland and found some one a bit better.

Can't hurt to have a guy who "cares" about his job as a back up.

[gambit187]

Great pick up for added depth....hummmm I think I might have seen every game he has played as a Skin.....I'm pleased with the signing....

[bbailey423]

So we cut one fat guy that didn't fit what we are doing on the OL for another fat guy who's the same age and also doesn't fit and it's a good pick-up? At least the first fat guy knew our scheme.
I have seen Derrick Dockery at my gym several times....here in Redskins country. Dude is not fat. Solid. Very solid. How well he plays I cannot speak on. I think he was a OT at Texas. I know he played Guard for the Redskins. Early in his career he had a prob with pre-snap penalites. He cleaned that up. I don't he fit what Shanny wanted. But I remember him being pretty solid in the run game.

[burmafrd]

good idea to have a grey beard around for the children to learn from

[7footer]

Good signing. He's better than Leonard Davis, and probably better than Nagy on day 1.

If nothing else, he definitely makes me feel a lot better about having a swing guard. Now, for tackle....


I'm also anxiously awaiting the news of Sam Young being released and hearing about either a veteran tackle, or better yet a nice young prospect from elsewhere being brought in to replace him.

Parnell looks like he could be a very capable backup in another year, but Young looked really bad this preseason...which was surprising based on his rather solid play only a year ago.

Either way, we'd be in a world of hurt right now if Free or Smith went down with an injury.

[Mansta54]

Great pick up for added depth....hummmm I think I might have seen every game he has played as a Skin.....I'm pleased with the signing....

Me too!!! To compare him to Holland is crazy. Holland was soft, passive, and didn't have passion for the game. He was also lazy. I've never seen this in Dockery or heard anyone describe him as such..

[dwmyers]

Parcells made moves like this, bringing guys in past the peak of their careers but could still contribute. Obviously the GM and JG weren't happy with Holland and found some one a bit better.

Can't hurt to have a guy who "cares" about his job as a back up.

It's called "churning the roster". If a guy you have who is a lemon and you know it, pick up a vet who has some potential to be an orange instead of a lemon.

Do it enough and you end up with oranges instead of lemons.

It also sends a message to those who want to float on the basis of experience or modest talent, that they better make the most of their skills or they could be next.

[hutch1254]

Me too!!! To compare him to Holland is crazy. Holland was soft, passive, and didn't have passion for the game. He was also lazy. I've never seen this in Dockery or heard anyone describe him as such..

In his brief stint in Buffalo, fans here were fine with him. They did not think he underperformed but he wasn't a stud either. Middle of the road guy that didn't hurt you. He was left go primarily because the Bills front office gave him a large contract and when Jaron got fired the new front office decided to go in a different direction. Dockery got cut by the Bills because of his contract, not performance.

I think he'll be fine and we get some skins / shanny info.

[WoodysGirl]

calvinwatkins (http://twitter.com/#%21/calvinwatkins) Calvin Watkins
Personnel guy on dockery "didn't fit zone blocking scheme and temperament was soft."

[bbgun]

Signing Dockery totally makes me forget that we threw away a draft pick on Holland! Oh wait, it doesn't.

[AsthmaField]

But the question was, why wasn't he signed earlier? At the start of camp? I was told earlier in the thread, and I quote, "Dockery is aggressive, can move, and plays nasty." Seems if that's true, he'd be somebody that would have found a roster spot on some team to compete for a starting job at the start of camp.

That is a good question, and it isn't logical that Dockery is all that and didn't get signed until now. I agree.

At this point in his career, Dockery isn't highly sought after, that's for sure. He isn't a great player. The question is: Is he better (or cheaper) than Holland?

Like I said elsewhere, I don't really see it as any net gain. Neither player is going to be much more than what they already are, although I think Dockery might have a little more natural talent.

They might have gotten Dockery cheaper than what they were paying Holland, or they might have thought Dockery's ceiling is a little higher. Or they liked Dockery's attitude better.

Whatever the reason, we exchanged a mediocre player for another mediocre player and we are all spending too much brainpower worrying about it.

[Sam I Am]

Why did the Skins release him? Did not fit their scheme?

Shanny likes zone blockers. Dockery isn't quite that. He is a big mauler type. I think he will still be the backup here though. That is unless Nagy can't hold the line. I think we just churned a fat lazy guy off the team. I think that is the biggest reason we cut Holland and signed Dockery.

Churn. Good for the Cowboys.

Keep in mind that Dockery signed a fat contract with Buffalo and got cut, (only to go back to the Redskins) so don't think we got a great player. We just got a serviceable one to stand in as a backup in place of another guy (Holland) who never tried to get better.

[unionjack8]

awful move.

But just like always if you played at UT you always have a job at VR.
Disgraceful move for a guy who couldnt even make somebodys camp this year

[sonnyboy]

Oh, you're playing the "You don't know what so and so is thinking" card, eh?

I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of people here will be thinking Dockery is a WAY better player now then they did when he was starting for the skins. Weird how the star seems to make players better players.

No more so than how weird it is that burgandy and gold seems to make players suck.:D

[Sam I Am]

awful move.

But just like always if you played at UT you always have a job at VR.
Disgraceful move for a guy who couldnt even make somebodys camp this year

wut? :confused: What UT players get special treatment here? I damn sure never saw Chris Sims in a Cowboys uni when he needed a job.

[BIGDen]

I'm also anxiously awaiting the news of Sam Young being released and hearing about either a veteran tackle, or better yet a nice young prospect from elsewhere being brought in to replace him.

Parnell looks like he could be a very capable backup in another year, but Young looked really bad this preseason...which was surprising based on his rather solid play only a year ago.

Either way, we'd be in a world of hurt right now if Free or Smith went down with an injury.

Definitely a big concern right now. I have no faith in Leadfoot Young. Parnell is too green at this point.

[Primetime42]

Signing Dockery totally makes me forget that we threw away a draft pick on Holland! Oh wait, it doesn't.
Really, dude?

[AsthmaField]

wut? :confused: What UT players get special treatment here? I damn sure never saw Chris Sims in a Cowboys uni when he needed a job.


C'mon man... that's why we went out and signed Huff and tried to sign Vince Young.

[unionjack8]

wut? :confused: What UT players get special treatment here? I damn sure never saw Chris Sims in a Cowboys uni when he needed a job.


go check out a trade JJ made for a useless POS UT player 3 years ago and gave up the farm.

[AsthmaField]

Signing Dockery totally makes me forget that we threw away a draft pick on Holland! Oh wait, it doesn't.


This makes me think you play Devil's advocate more than you really are just that pessimistic.

I have always viewed you as a guy who just always saw the glass as half empty (and dirty), but maybe you just can't stand some of the posters viewpoints on here and you simply stir up ****.

Oh well... you're still a funny guy.

[Sam I Am]

go check out a trade JJ made for a useless POS UT player 3 years ago and gave up the farm.

One guy and that makes your statement true? :rolleyes:

[AsthmaField]

go check out a trade JJ made for a useless POS UT player 3 years ago and gave up the farm.

Jerry would have made that stupid decision no matter what college he went to. Jerry saw "pro bowl" and "WR available for trade" and went ape ****.

[unionjack8]

One guy and that makes your statement true? :rolleyes:


well it sure makes yours irrelevant

[bbgun]

This makes me think you play Devil's advocate more than you really are just that pessimistic.

I have always viewed you as a guy who just always saw the glass as half empty (and dirty), but maybe you just can't stand some of the posters viewpoints on here and you simply stir up ****.

Oh well... you're still a funny guy.

Well it's true. We wasted a fifth round pick on this guy. We're supposed to overlook that now that he's out the door? If you want to praise Jerry for the hits (Austin, Ratliff), then honesty demands that you note the misses.

[Picksix]

awful move.

But just like always if you played at UT you always have a job at VR.
Disgraceful move for a guy who couldnt even make somebodys camp this year

What's so awful about it? We replaced one mediocre guy with another. And it's not like he's expected to start.


go check out a trade JJ made for a useless POS UT player 3 years ago and gave up the farm.

Don't be afraid to make a general, blanket statement based on one deal. We gave up two firsts and a big contract to Joey Galloway. So I guess Jerry gives special treatment to all Buckeyes, too?

[Alexander]

calvinwatkins (http://twitter.com/#%21/calvinwatkins) Calvin Watkins
Personnel guy on dockery "didn't fit zone blocking scheme and temperament was soft."
I thought someone assured everyone earlier he was "nasty".

I am confused.

[rocyaice]

go check out a trade JJ made for a useless POS UT player 3 years ago and gave up the farm.

So out of the hundreds of players who have come threw Valley Ranch in the past 10 years you could come up with only one guy? Sort of goes against your point doesn't it?

[bbgun]

I thought someone assured everyone earlier he was "nasty".

I am confused.

That's just it. He was a nonentity that no one had any use for .. until he became a Cowboy. Now he's a pit bull or something. I wish him well, but let's lose the hyperbole.

[2233boys]

I thought someone assured everyone earlier he was "nasty".

I am confused.

Don't confuse facts with homer justification

[SWG9]

It's called "churning the roster". If a guy you have who is a lemon and you know it, pick up a vet who has some potential to be an orange instead of a lemon.

Do it enough and you end up with oranges instead of lemons.

It also sends a message to those who want to float on the basis of experience or modest talent, that they better make the most of their skills or they could be next.

Good post, that's exactly what it is. When you also add in that Dockery's health is much more reliable than Holland's, it's a pretty easy move to make.

[tyke1doe]

well it sure makes yours irrelevant

No, it doesn't. You said JJ if you play at UT you always have a place at Valley Ranch. Someone already gave you the example of Chris Simms, but he's not a Cowboy.

You made a blanketed statement, you were proven wrong and now you're trying to deflect by arguing points not connected to your statement.

[AsthmaField]

Well it's true. We wasted a fifth round pick on this guy. We're supposed to overlook that now that he's out the door? If you want to praise Jerry for the hits (Austin, Ratliff), then honesty demands that you note the misses.

A fifth round pick from how long ago? If we were talking about a fifth round pick for Josh Thomas who is now a Carolina Panther, then I think it is relevant to 2011.

The long ago traded 5th for Holland means so little that it makes me think you're just searching for negatives.

I'll talk about misses all you want... but that doesn't make the pick we traded for Holland any more relevant now.

[Dave_in-NC]

It's called "churning the roster". If a guy you have who is a lemon and you know it, pick up a vet who has some potential to be an orange instead of a lemon.

Do it enough and you end up with oranges instead of lemons.

It also sends a message to those who want to float on the basis of experience or modest talent, that they better make the most of their skills or they could be next.

Never heard that term before.;)

[bbgun]

A fifth round pick from how long ago? If we were talking about a fifth round pick for Josh Thomas who is now a Carolina Panther, then I think it is relevant to 2011.

The long ago traded 5th for Holland means so little that it makes me think you're just searching for negatives.

I'll talk about misses all you want... but that doesn't make the pick we traded for Holland any more relevant now.

Um, it cost us a fifth round pick in the 2010 draft, which was like yesterday. Are you implying that we couldn't have found someone better in that draft? If so, that doesn't speak well of Jerry or the scouting department.

[Eskimo]

I like the dumping of Holland the pickup of Dockery. We needed a vet for the interior and he fits the bill fine. It's not that I think Dockery is a better player than Holland. The issue with Holland is that he can't play a whole game without getting injured so he is a very bad form of insurance.

It is good that we let Holland back on the field. We can't be held hostage for an injury settlement now.

[Mash]

Um, it cost us a fifth round pick in the 2010 draft, which was like yesterday. Are you implying that we couldn't have found someone better in that draft? If so, that doesn't speak well of Jerry or the scouting department.

Holland was a bum for us...no doubt....but look at the 2010 5th rd draft...I dont see all those teams drafting a better player. I think its safe to say....most drafted in that round were JAG's

[Primetime42]

Um, it cost us a fifth round pick in the 2010 draft, which was like yesterday. Are you implying that we couldn't have found someone better in that draft? If so, that doesn't speak well of Jerry or the scouting department.
Meh.

We got a decent backup lineman for a few years. Not like another Roy Williams kind of deal.

For crying out loud man, it was a 5th round pick. Not like we missed out on a Larry Allen type because of it.

[AsthmaField]

Um, it cost us a fifth round pick in the 2010 draft, which was like yesterday. Are you implying that we couldn't have found someone better in that draft? If so, that doesn't speak well of Jerry or the scouting department.


Like I said, I'm more concerned about this year's fifth rounder not making the team. Luckily, the 6th and one of the 7th rounders did, with Nagy being a day 1 starter as a rookie.

As upset as you are about last year's 5th, you MUST be thrilled about this year's 6th and 7th rounders. Not to mention last year's UDFA who wasn't even drafted and is now a starter.

Now, show us your happy face.

[Primetime42]

Like I said, I'm more concerned about this year's fifth rounder not making the team. Luckily, the 6th and one of the 7th rounders did, with Nagy being a day 1 starter as a rookie.

As upset as you are about last year's 5th, you MUST be thrilled about this year's 6th and 7th rounders. Not to mention last year's UDFA who wasn't even drafted and is now a starter.

Now, show us your happy face.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5fIetVOblgk/TlLiFmh6d8I/AAAAAAAAKZc/twGfAP01QTg/s1600/underdog.jpg

[AsthmaField]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5fIetVOblgk/TlLiFmh6d8I/AAAAAAAAKZc/twGfAP01QTg/s1600/underdog.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5fIetVOblgk/TlLiFmh6d8I/AAAAAAAAKZc/twGfAP01QTg/s1600/underdog.jpg)

:laugh2:

[bbgun]

Like I said, I'm more concerned about this year's fifth rounder not making the team. Luckily, the 6th and one of the 7th rounders did, with Nagy being a day 1 starter as a rookie.

As upset as you are about last year's 5th, you MUST be thrilled about this year's 6th and 7th rounders. Not to mention last year's UDFA who wasn't even drafted and is now a starter.

Now, show us your happy face.

I'll be happy if they turn out to be the real deal. Nagy's essentially starting because his competition was an injured Holland and an inexperienced Arkin, so hold off on the plaudits. Nor should you be cavalier about throwing away draft picks in previous years.

[Woods]

No one ever wants to throw away draft picks.

But fortunately, we're pretty decent at finding UDFAs.

While we apparently whiffed on Thomas, we did get Church and Costa last season as UDFAs.

And we'll have to see if guys like Forbath (once healthy), Albright, etc. work out.

[bbgun]

Holland was a bum for us...no doubt....but look at the 2010 5th rd draft...I dont see all those teams drafting a better player. I think its safe to say....most drafted in that round were JAG's

The Jerry apologists (ie, you) already used the "weak draft" excuse for the 2009 draft. Did it occur to you that Jerry could have packaged that fifth rounder to move up and secure a better player? Then again, one AOA is enough.

[Ren]

Hope the Redskins stink washes off

[Mash]

I'll be happy of they turn out to be the real deal. Nagy's essentially starting because his competition was an injured Holland and an inexperienced Arkin, so hold off on the plaudits. Nor should you be cavalier about throwing away draft picks in previous years.

I dont think he was being cavalier in throwing away draft picks...

The topic was...trading for Holland for a 2010 5th rd pick wasnt a waste of a draft pick....as you claimed......did you look at that draft class? Dont you think its save to assume that most of those players drafted there are JAGS?

So you trade for a JAG that is a solid backup and started in the NFL...or you draft a JAG in this 2010 5th rd........isnt the end result the same?

I understand Jerry wasted alot of picks...missed out on alot of draft picks...made some bad trades.

But trading for Holland when we had no depth in our OL for a 2010 5th rd pick...wasnt a waste imho

[bbgun]

I dont think he was being cavalier in throwing away draft picks...

The topic was...trading for Holland for a 2010 5th rd pick wasnt a waste of a draft pick....as you claimed......did you look at that draft class? Dont you think its save to assume that most of those players drafted there are JAGS?

So you trade for a JAG that is a solid backup and started in the NFL...or you draft a JAG in this 2010 5th rd........isnt the end result the same?

I understand Jerry wasted alot of picks...missed out on alot of draft picks...made some bad trades.

But trading for Holland when we had no depth in our OL for a 2010 5th rd pick...wasnt a waste imho

Absolutely not. A good player via the draft + free agent Dockery > Dockery for Holland. Instead of getting better overall, we tread water.

[AsthmaField]

I'll be happy of they turn out to be the real deal. Nagy's essentially starting because his competition was an injured Holland and an inexperienced Arkin, so hold off on the plaudits. Nor should you be cavalier about throwing away draft picks in previous years.

I agree we can't count our chickens yet, but I think you're wrong about Nagy and Holland.

Garrett wanted Holland to start but he couldn't because he had back spasms? But now that he's healthy, not only is he not pushing Nagy, but he's off the team?

That doesn't add up.

Dallas has plenty of cap room now and if they thought Holland was better than Nagy, he'd still be here instead of getting churned off the roster like a bottom of the roster type.

I felt like it was either Nagy or Arkin the whole way once they proved to the coaches that they could play in the NFL (although it hasn't been proven to the fans). The ESPN guys kept telling us Holland was the starter as soon as he got well, but I didn't think so.

I was right that a rookie would start over Holland, and IMO it wasn't even close for Garrett.

As for the 5th rounder, call it cavalier if you like. Not all draft picks make the team and losing a 5th to rent a guy for a couple of years is no big deal to me. If we did it all the time and missed, maybe. But IMO, it just isn't that big a deal.

IMO, Dallas has been doing better than any other team finding late round and UDFA players. I'm not going to nit pick about a 5th when we have 3 starters from that draft alone (Dez, Lee, Costa), plus a solid 7th round backup (Lissemore), and an average OT prospect from the 6th round. Not to mention two OL starters from 2011 (Smith and Nagy), a very promising backup OL (Arkin), a promising slot WR (Harris), and a backup RB (Murray) that can also play in the slot some. In six weeks, you can add Bruce Carter to that list.

You want to complain? Go back to the 2009 draft or the picks we gave for Roy Willie and I'll be right there with you.

[Mash]

The Jerry apologists (ie, you) already used the "weak draft" excuse for the 2009 draft. Did it occur to you that Jerry could have packaged that fifth rounder to move up and secure a better player? Then again, one AOA is enough.

He could of used it? Sure.....but you dont know anymore then I do...if that player could of been a better player......its just your opinion...

I just looked at that 2010 5th rd draft.....I didnt see any studs in there.....there may well be some players....but I just dont recognize them....take a look for yourself.

But

Bash Jerry all you want.....its your forte.....but your reaching in complaining about Jerry 'wasting' a 5th rd pick on Holland.

You can do better then that :)

[Kwmike22]

Can Dockery play Tackle in addition to guard? If so I like the signing even more.

[AsthmaField]

Can Dockery play Tackle in addition to guard? If so I like the signing even more.

I don't think so.

Like I said... nothing to get excited about. But nothing to get upset about either.

We're about the same except Dockery might end up being a little better, but backup either way.

[Mash]

Absolutely not. A good player via the draft + free agent Dockery > Dockery for Holland. Instead of getting better overall, we tread water.

Really? You guarantee a "good player"....what about the depth on the OL the past few years that Holland provided....where does that come from? Another trade? FA?

I dont understand your logic here.

[bbgun]

He could of used it? Sure.....but you dont know anymore then I do...if that player could of been a better player......its just your opinion...

I just looked at that 2010 5th rd draft.....I didnt see any studs in there.....there may well be some players....but I just dont recognize them....take a look for yourself.

But

Bash Jerry all you want.....its your forte.....but your reaching in complaining about Jerry 'wasting' a 5th rd pick on Holland.

You can do better then that :)

Really? You guarantee a "good player"....what about the depth on the OL the past few years that Holland provided....where does that come from? Another trade? FA?

I dont understand your logic here.

He wasn't acquired for depth; he was acquired to replace an injured Kyle Kosier. When he did get on the field, he was adequate at best and couldn't stay healthy. By any reasonable definition, his tenure with us was a disappointment and the fifth rounder was "wasted."

[Chuck 54]

I like it...especially since it didn't cost us any young guys from the roster.

[Mash]

He wasn't acquired for depth; he was acquired to replace an injured Kyle Kosier. When he did get on the field, he was adequate at best and couldn't stay healthy. By any reasonable definition, his tenure with us was a disappointment and the fifth rounder was "wasted."

His tenure was what a 2010 5th rd player gives you. Sure it would be great to hit on a 5th rounder or use it to move up and try to hit on a player. But there is no guarantee there.

I just looked at the 5th round class ....and you can say Holland provided more then those guys drafted did to their teams.

It was a marginal move..nothing great....but I dont look at it as a "wasted pick"....thats all.....wasted money? I agree... :)

[TheCount]

I see there's still a lot of discussion about this, so I came up with a simple diagram that should explain the signing.

http://i54.tinypic.com/5uqwjk.png

I hope this clears up any confusion. :D

[Picksix]

I dont think he was being cavalier in throwing away draft picks...

The topic was...trading for Holland for a 2010 5th rd pick wasnt a waste of a draft pick....as you claimed......did you look at that draft class? Dont you think its save to assume that most of those players drafted there are JAGS?

So you trade for a JAG that is a solid backup and started in the NFL...or you draft a JAG in this 2010 5th rd........isnt the end result the same?

I understand Jerry wasted alot of picks...missed out on alot of draft picks...made some bad trades.

But trading for Holland when we had no depth in our OL for a 2010 5th rd pick...wasnt a waste imho

The truth, if you hit on 50% of your picks, you're doing well. Every team misses.

[bbgun]

His tenure was what a 2010 5th rd player gives you. Sure it would be great to hit on a 5th rounder or use it to move up and try to hit on a player. But there is no guarantee there.

Soooo we shouldn't expect much from Nagy or Harris by virtue of how late they were drafted. Gotcha.

I just looked at the 5th round class ....and you can say Holland provided more then those guys drafted did to their teams.

Those guys' careers are over already? Dockery's wasn't.

It was a marginal move..nothing great....but I dont look at it as a "wasted pick"....thats all.....wasted money? I agree... :)

So Jerry would have struck out with that pick no matter what. So ... defeatist.

[bbgun]

The truth, if you hit on 50% of your picks, you're doing well. Every team misses.

True, but we'll never know if he would have hit or missed on that pick because he squandered it on a fat turd.

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/7039/ch21sundec72008050110pm.jpg

[Picksix]

I see there's still a lot of discussion about this, so I came up with a simple diagram that should explain the signing.

http://i54.tinypic.com/5uqwjk.png (http://i54.tinypic.com/5uqwjk.png)

I hope this clears up any confusion. :D

That's awesome! :laugh1:

[AdamJT13]

If he is injured, Carolina would not have been able to release him without an injury settlement.

That's not exactly true. A player can be designated as "waived/injured." Another team can then claim him off waivers and put him on injured reserve or keep him on the roster and wait for him to get healthy. If he's not claimed, he reverts back to the original team's injured reserve.

[TwentyOne]

I don't know, that or Rucker will be released.

can't imagine. with benetts high ankle sprain we have only two active tight ends right now.

[newlander]

Darn good pick up. Dude is a beast in the run game and plays with a mean streak..


...as I do, and Mansta 54 knows his stuff, BUT....a skins reject? I don't know fellas........:bang2: :(

[Mansta54]

...as I do, and Mansta 54 knows his stuff, BUT....a skins reject? I don't know fellas........:bang2: :(

Yea that doesn't excite me at all... Sickening actually!!!

[newlander]

Yea that doesn't excite me at all... Sickening actually!!!

...I guess it's ok as he's only a backup and it means the last of Holland in a Cowboys Uni....he was brutal.

[5Stars]

Yea that doesn't excite me at all... Sickening actually!!!

As long as the Cowboys deloused him and had the trainers scrub him down to remove all the "nasty" from the Redskins organization, made him brush his teeth 10 times and gave him all new underwear to wear...I think he will be fine.

[Picksix]

So, in effect, we traded Thomas for Fiametta, and Bowen for Dockery.

[theogt]

I see there's still a lot of discussion about this, so I came up with a simple diagram that should explain the signing.

http://i54.tinypic.com/5uqwjk.png

I hope this clears up any confusion. :DThis post is endorsed by this guy.

http://www.dallascowboysweekly.com/images/mickey_weekly_2005.jpg

[speedkilz88]

can't imagine. with benetts high ankle sprain we have only two active tight ends right now.
I don't think that would be the first time they did that when a guy was injured.

[jjktkk]

True, but we'll never know if he would have hit or missed on that pick because he squandered it on a fat turd.

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/7039/ch21sundec72008050110pm.jpg (http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/7039/ch21sundec72008050110pm.jpg)

Ranting and raving over a "wasted 5th round pick", is absolutely hysterical. Keep poking holes in your Jerry voo doo doll.

[bbgun]

Ranting and raving over a "wasted 5th round pick", is absolutely hysterical. Keep poking holes in your Jerry voo doo doll.

Trust me, I'm calm and composed. And yes, that pick was wasted.

[newnationcb]

Trust me, I'm calm and composed. And yes, that pick was wasted.

You realize he did provide us with 3 years of service right? And filled in capably at G numerous times in those 3 years. Actually earning a 2 year extension in the process.

Teams cut 5th round draft picks every year. I see no hand wringing from you about that.

I'm with the others, you're bias and short mindedness is transparent.

[Hoofbite]

Like the move but why wait until now?

Fat, lazy, out of shape.

Should have cut him earlier and brought someone in to settle in a while ago.

[TheCount]

This post is endorsed by this guy.

http://www.dallascowboysweekly.com/images/mickey_weekly_2005.jpg


http://i52.tinypic.com/a3h076.png

[bbgun]

You realize he did provide us with 3 years of service right?

Is that what you call it?

And filled in capably at G numerous times in those 3 years. Actually earning a 2 year extension in the process.

Which explains why he's still a valued member of the Dallas Cowboys. Oh wait.

[newnationcb]

Like the move but why wait until now?

Fat, lazy, out of shape.

Should have cut him earlier and brought someone in to settle in a while ago.

Injury settlement?

[5Stars]

Is that what you call it?



Which explains why he's still a valued member of the Dallas Cowboys. Oh wait.

Really? Are you really belly-aching about a 5th rounder back when?

Seriously...find something else to gripe about, something important than the Cowboys losing a lousy 5th round pick.

I'm sure that you can find worse faults with Jerry than that!

It is what it was, and bellowing about it now is not going to change a thing.

(is it medication time)?


:confused:

[newnationcb]

Is that what you call it?



Which explains why he's still a valued member of the Dallas Cowboys. Oh wait.

And Gurode, Columbo and Davis no longer with us means they also never played capably:rolleyes:

[Doctor32]

I would like to see his deal compared to the deal Waters got in New England.

[5Stars]

And Gurode, Columbo and Davis no longer with us means they also never played capably:rolleyes:

Jerry signed those bums....keep up!

:cool:

[newnationcb]

http://i52.tinypic.com/a3h076.png (http://i52.tinypic.com/a3h076.png)

Brilliant stuff man! Just brilliant!:lmao:

[bbgun]

Really? Are you really belly-aching about a 5th rounder back when?

Seriously...find something else to gripe about, something important than the Cowboys losing a lousy 5th round pick.

I'm sure that you can find worse faults with Jerry than that!

It is what it was, and bellowing about it now is not going to change a thing.

(is it medication time)?


:confused:

It's part of Jerry's track record. What better time to discuss the fifth rounder than today? Didn't we talk about the fourth rounder when Stanback was released? Or the first rounder when Carp was traded? Are we just supposed to dish about picks that went well?

[NoDak Cowboy]

calvinwatkins (http://twitter.com/#%21/calvinwatkins) Calvin Watkins
Personnel guy on dockery "didn't fit zone blocking scheme and temperament was soft."

Hmmm.... An actual, real live NFL personnel guy says he's soft. That can't be. I was told repeatedly here earlier that he isn't. Or more precisely, "Dockery is aggressive, can move, and plays nasty."

Who to believe....who to believe. Such a conundrum.

[5Stars]

It's part of Jerry's track record. What better time to discuss the fifth rounder than today? Didn't we talk about the fourth rounder when Stanback was released? Or the first rounder when Carp was traded? Are we just supposed to dish about picks that went well?

You can discuss anything you want, my friend. ;)

Now, educate me...which team in the NFL have always made the right move, every time?

The pats? The eagles? 49'ers? Bears? Who?

:confused:

s-it happens...not every move is going to be right. And, Garrett was not in charge of the roster back then like he is now. (of course you won't believe that...you will still say it's Jerry's call)

[bbgun]

You can discuss anything you want, my friend. ;)

Now, educate me...which team in the NFL have always made the right move, every time?

The pats? The eagles? 49'ers? Bears? Who?

:confused:

s-it happens...not every move is going to be right. And, Garrett was not in charge of the roster back then like he is now. (of course you won't believe that...you will still say it's Jerry's call)

None. But when they screw up, they get called out for doing do. Today's a day for accountability.

BTW, if every team "makes mistakes" and it's no big deal, then no GM would ever be fired. But they are. Well, everywhere but Dallas.

[5Stars]

None. But when they screw up, they get called out for doing do. Today's a day for accountability.

BTW, if every team makes mistakes and it's no big deal, then no GM would ever be fired. But they are. Well, everywhere but Dallas.




For some odd reason, while growing up in a Corporate world, I have never heard of an owner firing his self...


;)

[AsthmaField]

Hmmm.... An actual, real live NFL personnel guy says he's soft. That can't be. I was told repeatedly here earlier that he isn't. Or more precisely, "Dockery is aggressive, can move, and plays nasty."

Who to believe....who to believe. Such a conundrum.


I think when manster said he plays nasty... he meant he doesn't shower before games.

[bbgun]

For some odd reason, while growing up in a Corporate world, I have never heard of an owner firing his self...


;)

Most owners don't face that dilemma because they realize their limitations.

[AsthmaField]

Most owners don't face that dilemma because they realize their limitations.


You mean like Snyder realizing he's a dwarf?

[5Stars]

Most owners don't face that dilemma because they realize their limitations.

But, you do realize his limitations, right?

:D


Damn 5th round pick!

The sad thing is...HE AIN'T GOING NOWHERE. Stop living in the past and look to the future...I swear it will make you much, much more happy than you already are.

If you don't care to do that...glance down at the spilled milk...

[Woods]

You mean like Snyder realizing he's a dwarf?

:lmao2:

That is too funny.

[CowboyMcCoy]

Sweet signing.

[Hoofbite]

What injury did he have last year?

[zrinkill]

Today's a day for accountability.

:lmao:

[5Stars]

:lmao:

Today is a day for accountability...but only for today and the same thing tomorrow, not from the past mistakes that have been made...they cannot be changed.

And, don't laugh at BBgun...he's just a passionate fan.

;)

[speedkilz88]

If only bbgun realized his limitations.

[ChopBlock]

Dockery :yourock:

It's about time we get another fat lazy OL in here who couldn't even make it to the Redskins training camp.

[5Stars]

If only bbgun realized his limitations.

If only you realized what he brings to this forum. Aside from his hatred for Jerry, BBGun posts some of the best Cowboy pictures from the past and has access to NFL media like no one else.

:cool:

[bbgun]

If only bbgun realized his limitations.

Yeah, I turned this team into a monument to mediocrity. :rolleyes: Way to keep your eye on the prize.

[30yrheel]

Dockery :yourock:

It's about time we get another fat lazy OL in here who couldn't even make it to the Redskins training camp.

:eek: think about that. a skins reject?!:eek:

[5Stars]

:eek: think about that. a skins reject?!:eek:

Now he gets the chance to play for a REAL football team!

The lucky bastid probably wanted out anyway!


;)

[flashback]

Definitely a head-scratcher. I guess we really, REALLY didn't want Holland on the team. He played his ginormous *** off against the Dolphins, but he was already cut and just didn't know it yet.

Dockery's JAG.

[cowboyjoe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
vmqKARQfKzQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
wVmBRRW01Ho

[5Stars]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
vmqKARQfKzQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
wVmBRRW01Ho

That dude is just lazy...! ;)

Fat too...!


:D

[CowboyMcCoy]

That dude is just lazy...! ;)

Fat too...!


:D

Not exactly, LOL. But he has terrible taste in music.

[30yrheel]

so an nfl player works out? so?

[CowboyMcCoy]

Today is a day for accountability...but only for today and the same thing tomorrow, not from the past mistakes that have been made...they cannot be changed.

And, don't laugh at BBgun...he's just a passionate fan.

;)

:laugh2: That's not nice! bbgun is my boi.

[links18]

That's cause nobody did say that. The Foreskin allumni hated when they let Dockery go and didn't understand it. I've never heard anybody say Dockery wasn't any good.

Dockery isn't any good. There. ;)

[Champsheart]

I am confused.

Thats not unusual

[2233boys]

But, you do realize his limitations, right?

:D


Damn 5th round pick!

The sad thing is...HE AIN'T GOING NOWHERE. Stop living in the past and look to the future...I swear it will make you much, much more happy than you already are.

If you don't care to do that...glance down at the spilled milk...

He has a point, in the future Jerry will be dead so we have that to look forward too.

[Fletch]

Just curious..... If Dockery is this great, punishing guard why didn't Dallas or anybody else for that matter, sign him before this? Why wait until less than one week before the season starts? He's been available since May. You'd think somebody would have invited this talented player to camp where they'd have time to teach him the system and see what he could do.

Each and every team signed people they knew would be little more than camp fodder to fill out the roster and have enough bodies to practice with. Why not use one of those roster spots for a guy that could possibly step in and take one of your starting guard spots? Or a vet backup spot? He could have been cut with the rest if it didn't work out.

And you're butt hurt over this move? :laugh2: Doesn't matter what the Cowboys do, some fans just get pissy over anything.

Sorry guy, but I will take Mansta's assessment over yours any day.

[Silverstar]

I mentioned Dockery about two weeks ago as an option over Holland, considering he's a Texas native and went to UT etc. I'm thinking Dallas had their eye on him for some time and probably wanted to wait until after the first game to sign him. There might have been others interested in his services by signing him now...who knows. I'm not sure if he's any stronger, but he's probably a little better at getting to the second level than Holland...which isn't hard to do. :)

[NoDak Cowboy]

And you're butt hurt over this move? :laugh2: Doesn't matter what the Cowboys do, some fans just get pissy over anything.

Sorry guy, but I will take Mansta's assessment over yours any day.

No, not butt hurt in the least. Just don't see getting rid of a mauler type OG and picking up the same kind. Neither fit the make of our OL. A few years ago, sure. But anybody can clearly see were moving towards a smaller, more mobile and athletic line.

And as far as Mansta goes, I couldn't give a **** less if you took his take over mine. I'm not hear to try garner followers like others here do. I just state my opinion, whether it follows the flow or not. And if you follow his take of Dockery over an actual NFL personnel man's take that has been posted in this thread, that's good to know.

[JoeCorrado]

If they got him for small dollars, he will do as depth. I am not deceiving myself into believing that he is strong, mobile, or any sort of a tactician... but he IS suitable for a backup roll and represents a small improvement over Holland who was not even motivated. I am much happier to have a motivated guy who at least "wants" to do well.

Lucky for all concerned, we do not use zone blocking. On the goal line, he can move his guy off the line... that is his strong suit; straight ahead run blocking.

Since he didn't play much last season, and has managed to keep himself somewhat in football condition, he does earn points. Should be well rested, healthy, and eager to please. If Garrett is happy, then I am willing to be content with the signing... Holland was not motivated at all and that was reason enough for a change, even one that is just a small improvement.

Don't ask Dockery to do what he can't do well, and he won't disappoint. Compare that to Holland who was such a disappointment that even having invested a $500k roster bonus in Holland this season, we couldn't wait to show him the door. That tells me all that I need to know.

[UncFelix28]

Nagy?

[CCBoy]

go check out a trade JJ made for a useless POS UT player 3 years ago and gave up the farm.

You probably think that okra is an oriental insecticide....:cool:

[Califan007]

If he sees any lengthy playing time, get ready for an uptick in penalties lol...that's what he became known for among Skins fans.

But as depth you could definitely do worse.

[Ren]

This is probably a little easier on the eyes then seeing Holland's lard flaps still jiggling from the last play in every huddle, but other then that it's pretty much a push

[Beast_from_East]

Dockery is not great by any means, but atleast the dude doesnt stop at Krispy Kreame every day after practice either.

Dockery >>>> Holland

[Risen Star]

Definitely a head-scratcher. I guess we really, REALLY didn't want Holland on the team. He played his ginormous *** off against the Dolphins, but he was already cut and just didn't know it yet.

Dockery's JAG.

You have to get the content, lazy players off the roster if you want to reshape this team with a youth movement.

Gurode was content. He's still a very good player but his time here was done. Maybe the release motivates him and the Ravens get a steal for a year or two. That wasn't going to happen here. Holland was another guy who just didn't get it. No fire. No passion. Here for a paycheck.

Leonard Davis also fit this mold.

We may be worse off this year along the OL if the young kids can't play, but over the long term getting rid of these types of players will be a good thing. It will allow the head coach to truely change the culture of the locker room.

[Beast_from_East]

You have to get the content, lazy players off the roster if you want to reshape this team with a youth movement.

Gurode was content. He's still a very good player but his time here was done. Maybe the release motivates him and the Ravens get a steal for a year or two. That wasn't going to happen here. Holland was another guy who just didn't get it. No fire. No passion. Here for a paycheck.

Leonard Davis also fit this mold.

We may be worse off this year along the OL if the young kids can't play, but over the long term getting rid of these types of players will be a good thing. It will allow the head coach to truely change the culture of the locker room.

Agreed.

Time to get rid of the entitlement atmosphere that has been going on at VR for several seasons now.

[silverbear]

Can dockery play tackle in a pinch?

I'd like to know that, too... I think he might be able to play some RT if needed...

[silverbear]

Yeah, I turned this team into a monument to mediocrity.

Just admit that experiment didn't turn out the way you'd hoped... we'll forgive you (most of us, anyway)...

Oh, and never, ever do it again...

[AKATheRake]

Lol! Derrick Dockery is born on September 7 just like me.

He'll be 31 on Wednesday and I'll be 32.

That's hillarious.

I do think he is better than Holland as long as he's getting the vet minimum for the 1 year.