1660espn:Jennifer Floyd Engel

[cowboyjoe]

http://www.1660espn.com/includes/news_items/6/1363/090511_jennfloydengel.mp3

[adbutcher]

http://www.1660espn.com/includes/news_items/6/1363/090511_jennfloydengel.mp3

I know I am going to probably kick myself afterwards but I am going to listen to ugmo anyway. Thanks CBJ.

[adbutcher]

I'm sorry but I've tried. She has a face for radio and a voice for the school of the deaf. Her shrill made my sack shrink, no way some one can procreate with her, unless they are wearing a blind fold and ear muffs.

[cowboyjoe]

I'm sorry but I've tried. She has a face for radio and a voice for the school of the deaf. Her shrill made my sack shrink, no way some one can procreate with her, unless they are wearing a blind fold and ear muffs.

sorry adbuther, some like her and others dont; so i try to post for all :)

[xpistofer]

I'm sorry but I've tried. She has a face for radio and a voice for the school of the deaf. Her shrill made my sack shrink, no way some one can procreate with her, unless they are wearing a blind fold and ear muffs.

I think this is remarkably cruel and unnecessary, especially for a moderator.
You are better than that, dear sir.

[Chocolate Lab]

I think this is remarkably cruel and unnecessary, especially for a moderator.
You are better than that, dear sir.

What? Ad was being kind there.

[Hostile]

I think this is remarkably cruel and unnecessary, especially for a moderator.
You are better than that, dear sir.
We are not Moderators in threads. We're Cowboys fans with opinions just like anyone else. Why people expect us to be PC, opinionless, and saccharine is really confusing to me.

[Zaxor]

I'm sorry but I've tried. She has a face for radio and a voice for the school of the deaf. Her shrill made my sack shrink, no way some one can procreate with her, unless they are wearing a blind fold and ear muffs.

glad you tried it for me...saves me the pain...a brave man to make such sacrifice:)

[justbob]

We are not Moderators in threads. We're Cowboys fans with opinions just like anyone else. Why people expect us to be PC, opinionless, and saccharine is really confusing to me.

:lmao: The mods around here without opinions and pc....:lmao2: He hasn't been here long.. PC is the cause for the downfall of an nation ,whether it be the us or the zone... Call it like it is ---If the line is crossed ,then the mods can bring out the ax

[adbutcher]

glad you tried it for me...saves me the pain...a brave man to make such sacrifice:)

I tried and this time I've learned my lesson. I am just so starved for Cowboy news that I almost scraped the equivalent of the bottom of the garbage can at Mickey Ds at the end of the night shift.

I know too harsh, stupid moderator. :)

[adbutcher]

What? Ad was being kind there.

Indeed. She use to be the nerdy yet intelligent lovable journalist. However, when the nerdy turns ugly on the inside in the guise of hate, it can only end one way. Ugly outside + ugly innards = ugmo.

We are not Moderators in threads. We're Cowboys fans with opinions just like anyone else. Why people expect us to be PC, opinionless, and saccharine is really confusing to me.

Indeed and I am no choir boy. :D

[Hostile]

Indeed and I am no choir boy. :DCan't sing a lick huh?

Hey, I can relate. If the jukebox was on my back I still couldn't carry a tune.

[adbutcher]

Can't sing a lick huh?

Hey, I can relate. If the jukebox was on my back I still couldn't carry a tune.

Don't know why that made me laugh hysterically at work.:lmao2:

[xpistofer]

We are not Moderators in threads. We're Cowboys fans with opinions just like anyone else. Why people expect us to be PC, opinionless, and saccharine is really confusing to me.

Wow. Of course I don't expect "PC, opinionless, or saccharine." I don't personally care for her schtick either, but when you speak against someone in such descriptively unkind ways, how are you being any different (better) than what you are accusing her of being?

I guess the internet has just emboldened us to be complete jerks. No longer are we even the least bit bit concerned that words can be hurtful.

Forgive me - not trying to whip you, I just expected better. I will lower my expectations.

[Reality]

Wow. Of course I don't expect "PC, opinionless, or saccharine." I don't personally care for her schtick either, but when you speak against someone in such descriptively unkind ways, how are you being any different (better) than what you are accusing her of being?

I guess the internet has just emboldened us to be complete jerks. No longer are we even the least bit bit concerned that words can be hurtful.

Forgive me - not trying to whip you, I just expected better. I will lower my expectations.

When you put yourself out there for the public to review, you should expect that not everyone will agree with your opinions and may chastise you for everything from your hair style to your taste in shoes.

Being "cruel" and "unkind" is when someone says nothing and is targeted for hatred or insults. As a sports writer, she presents an arrogant and condescending persona that will definitely make her a target for such comments. She absolutely knows and accepts this as part of her profession. If she had thin skin she would no longer be doing her job.

This is not a damsel in distress waiting for her valiant knight to come to her aid. This is a female sports writer that probably had to fight hard to get credibility and respect among her peers and I doubt she is looking for someone to defend her. That being said, in her effort to present herself as yet-another-sports-writer, she has succeeded and as such, reaps both the rewards and hatred worthy of such a profession.

#reality

[CCBoy]

Almost two years ago, I sent here a PM that explained that I had nicknamed her 'training bra' due to her views presented previously. I, although, tacked this comment along with a compliment for a view of actual value and applications. She acknowledged that too few in her postion, actually had a sense of humor and that she appreciated my coming forward with at least an entertaining discussion. She was actually humble in her description and wasn't on edge in her response to my own 'humor.'

She actually came up in a tough professional 'neighborhood' and with some quirksome role models by her side. Sometimes, although, she is able to hit the mark of a commentator and in a sporting vein. But I'm not holding my breath in the meantime. But I do wish her good fortunes, when all is said and done by her in sports.

[bbailey423]

What? Ad was being kind there.
I too thought he went easy on her. She is BEYOND annoying. Never interested in anything other that stirring stuff up.

[zrinkill]

She has a face for radio and a voice for the school of the deaf.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/zrinkill/pat-1.jpg

[burmafrd]

sad thing is that when she leaves the shtick alone she can write well.

[bbailey423]

sad thing is that when she leaves the shtick alone she can write well.
agreed

[Ranzo]

When you put yourself out there for the public to review, you should expect that not everyone will agree with your opinions and may chastise you for everything from your hair style to your taste in shoes.

Being "cruel" and "unkind" is when someone says nothing and is targeted for hatred or insults. As a sports writer, she presents an arrogant and condescending persona that will definitely make her a target for such comments. She absolutely knows and accepts this as part of her profession. If she had thin skin she would no longer be doing her job.

This is not a damsel in distress waiting for her valiant knight to come to her aid. This is a female sports writer that probably had to fight hard to get credibility and respect among her peers and I doubt she is looking for someone to defend her. That being said, in her effort to present herself as yet-another-sports-writer, she has succeeded and as such, reaps both the rewards and hatred worthy of such a profession.

#reality

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[jjktkk]

We are not Moderators in threads. We're Cowboys fans with opinions just like anyone else. Why people expect us to be PC, opinionless, and saccharine is really confusing to me.

Because, imo, it would seem like selected enforcement of one of this site's violations. If, for example, I said something that was offensive to posters in a thread, I would receive a red warning mark, but if said moderator does the same....

[xpistofer]

Being "cruel" and "unkind" is when someone says nothing and is targeted for hatred or insults. As a sports writer, she presents an arrogant and condescending persona that will definitely make her a target for such comments. #reality

So if someone doesn't write or speak in the public view, it would be cruel or unkind to say "Her shrill made my sack shrink, no way some one can procreate with her, unless they are wearing a blind fold and ear muffs.," but if that person is a public person, it is not cruel or unkind for me to speak of them in that way?

OK. I get it now.

[Reality]

Because, imo, it would seem like selected enforcement of one of this site's violations. If, for example, I said something that was offensive to posters in a thread, I would receive a red warning mark, but if said moderator does the same....

The bolded part is absolutely not true. If what you posted does not violate a forum guideline, you would not receive an infraction. Otherwise half the forum would be banned because people do what you said regularly every single day.

#reality

[CoCo]

So if someone doesn't write or speak in the public view, it would be cruel or unkind to say "Her shrill made my sack shrink, no way some one can procreate with her, unless they are wearing a blind fold and ear muffs.," but if that person is a public person, it is not cruel or unkind for me to speak of them in that way?

OK. I get it now.

I think your point made was a fair one. I think it was made without being harsh. Good point, and good job. :)

[DFWJC]

I'm sorry but I've tried. She has a face for radio and a voice for the school of the deaf. Her shrill made my sack shrink, no way some one can procreate with her, unless they are wearing a blind fold and ear muffs.
I almost spit my coffee out on this one.

[zrinkill]

She used to write articles making fun of how coaches looked.

Karma is as ugly and vindictive as she is.

[WoodysGirl]

As the resident female staff member, I'll just say this.

Ad's comment made me cringe. It's not something I would post, but I can't say I haven't said similar or worse offline.

Reality's point about her being a public figure who puts herself out there for criticism is correct. She probably hears/reads worse in her email and on twitter where in 140 characters, someone could cuss her out literally within seconds.

I actually believe she's achieved her goals when everyone in this thread is talking about her rather than what she actually talked about on the podcast. She's more memorable for her LBOH persona rather than her work. No one ever talks about Charean Williams, her FWST counterpart, and she's a HOF voter and at one point was the president of the Pro football writers association.

Anyways, attacking one another on the forum is quite different than attacking the source of the article or podcast, in this case. So AD dogging her out doesn't violate any Zone rules, even if it's not particularly tasteful.

[jjktkk]

As the resident female staff member, I'll just say this.

Ad's comment made me cringe. It's not something I would post, but I can't say I haven't said similar or worse offline.

Reality's point about her being a public figure who puts herself out there for criticism is correct. She probably hears/reads worse in her email and on twitter where in 140 characters, someone could cuss her out literally within seconds.

I actually believe she's achieved her goals when everyone in this thread is talking about her rather than what she actually talked about on the podcast. She's more memorable for her LBOH persona rather than her work. No one ever talks about Charean Williams, her FWST counterpart, and she's a HOF voter and at one point was the president of the Pro football writers association.

Anyways, attacking one another on the forum is quite different than attacking the source of the article or podcast, in this case. So AD dogging her out doesn't violate any Zone rules, even if it's not particularly tasteful.

Very well said. After thinking about it, you hit the nail on the head about the difference in a poster on here receiving crude comments on here by another forum member, verses a media type receiving crude comments about them.

[cowboystar55]

When you put yourself out there for the public to review, you should expect that not everyone will agree with your opinions and may chastise you for everything from your hair style to your taste in shoes.

Being "cruel" and "unkind" is when someone says nothing and is targeted for hatred or insults. As a sports writer, she presents an arrogant and condescending persona that will definitely make her a target for such comments. She absolutely knows and accepts this as part of her profession. If she had thin skin she would no longer be doing her job.

This is not a damsel in distress waiting for her valiant knight to come to her aid. This is a female sports writer that probably had to fight hard to get credibility and respect among her peers and I doubt she is looking for someone to defend her. That being said, in her effort to present herself as yet-another-sports-writer, she has succeeded and as such, reaps both the rewards and hatred worthy of such a profession.

#reality

Yea, I've emailed her a few times complaining about her 'stupid and incessant HATE comments' and she's actually replied. Not bothered to read hardly any of her editorals again since MOST are totally off-based and ridiculous. And, I agree with the 'moderator comments' regarding her impact on him.....too true!!!!:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Dallas]

I think this is remarkably cruel and unnecessary, especially for a moderator.
You are better than that, dear sir.


:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: Someone call the ModPolice on Butcher.


Somebody is GUN TELL ONZHIM!! :rolleyes:

FYI: Half of you have got to get over things like this. Nothing he posted was "cringe" worthy at all.

JFE is not well liked on CBZ at all. One would expect these remarks and she brings it ALL ON HERSELF. :)

[adbutcher]

As the resident female staff member, I'll just say this.

Ad's comment made me cringe. It's not something I would post, but I can't say I haven't said similar or worse offline.

Reality's point about her being a public figure who puts herself out there for criticism is correct. She probably hears/reads worse in her email and on twitter where in 140 characters, someone could cuss her out literally within seconds.

I actually believe she's achieved her goals when everyone in this thread is talking about her rather than what she actually talked about on the podcast. She's more memorable for her LBOH persona rather than her work. No one ever talks about Charean Williams, her FWST counterpart, and she's a HOF voter and at one point was the president of the Pro football writers association.

Anyways, attacking one another on the forum is quite different than attacking the source of the article or podcast, in this case. So AD dogging her out doesn't violate any Zone rules, even if it's not particularly tasteful.

I will make tasteful remarks about her when she starts writing tasteful articles again.

Venom begets venom. If she wants to hate then it should be reciprocated.

[adbutcher]

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: Someone call the ModPolice on Butcher.


Somebody is GUN TELL ONZHIM!! :rolleyes:

FYI: Half of you have got to get over things like this. Nothing he posted was "cringe" worthy at all.

JFE is not well liked on CBZ at all. One would expect these remarks and she brings it ALL ON HERSELF. :)

If you want to cringe, well take a gander at her. She is so ugly that every time she looks out the window she gets a citation for mooning. Bada Bing!

[WoodysGirl]

I will make tasteful remarks about her when she starts writing tasteful articles again.

Venom begets venom. If she wants to hate then it should be reciprocated.
That's on you, of course.

But what I do know, her and Mac do have a daughter together, so that's why I cringed.

Like I said, she achieved her goal...

[burmafrd]

That's on you, of course.

But what I do know, her and Mac do have a daughter together, so that's why I cringed.

Like I said, she achieved her goal...

She has clearly made a conscious decision to go about things in this way.

So frankly anything she gets back she has earned.

[zrinkill]

She showed a video of Wade jogging last year making jokes about how he looked.

She made jokes about his face and how thin skinned he was.

She deserves every cheap shot she has gotten.

[adbutcher]

That's on you, of course.

But what I do know, her and Mac do have a daughter together, so that's why I cringed.

Like I said, she achieved her goal...

No doubt, PPE and blind folds are a wonderful thing.

[ChopBlock]

Because, imo, it would seem like selected enforcement of one of this site's violations. If, for example, I said something that was offensive to posters in a thread, I would receive a red warning mark, but if said moderator does the same....

Bingo!

[Dave_in-NC]

We are not Moderators in threads. We're Cowboys fans with opinions just like anyone else. Why people expect us to be PC, opinionless, and saccharine is really confusing to me.


Because your so good at ALL those things.

[Dave_in-NC]

She showed a video of Wade jogging last year making jokes about how he looked.

She made jokes about his face and how thin skinned he was.

She deserves every cheap shot she has gotten.

Was she wrong?

[jobberone]

I think this is remarkably cruel and unnecessary, especially for a moderator.
You are better than that, dear sir.

Put a sock in it. He isn't that serious about it.

[zrinkill]

Was she wrong?

Are the people who make fun of her looks wrong?

[Hostile]

Because your so good at ALL those things.
I own it?

I am about as PC as ball bearings are sharp and can cut you.

[adbutcher]

Put a sock in it. He isn't that serious about it.

Shsssh, Reality already docked me a paycheck. Any more and I won't be able to feed my family. The prudes win, I don't want any more trouble.

She is :beer1: gorgeous, :beer1: :beer1: :beer1: stunning, :beer1: :beer1: :beer1: :beer1: beautiful...I would wait a minute....:beer1: :beer1: :beer1: :beer1: do her.

[xpistofer]

Shsssh, Reality already docked me a paycheck. Any more and I won't be able to feed my family. The prudes win, I don't want any more trouble.

She is :beer1: gorgeous, :beer1: :beer1: :beer1: stunning, :beer1: :beer1: :beer1: :beer1: beautiful...I would wait a minute....:beer1: :beer1: :beer1: :beer1: do her.

Shame on you for including images of alcohol in your post....don't you know there are kids on this sight? (you know, people who think Whitten and Irving are Cowboys and who don't know who Roger Starbuck is) I can't believe a moderator would do such a thing.

Kidding of course.

In all reality, I certainly was not trying to be hostile or pull a jobber on you.I just observe how we on this board talk about what bastids eagles fans are (for example), and then we do the same kinds of things. I suppose I just get frustrated that we don't actually back up our talk and behave better. In any case, I generally enjoy your posts and just was surprised by your earlier post. Nonetheless, I care not to represent myself as a "prude" nor do I wish to win anything (unless it comes with a Lombardi trophy). So...peace love and grooviness...until we meet again.:starspin

[Idgit]

JFE makes my sack shrivel, too, but with excitement, because I just know I'm going to learn something new whenever I read one of her articles.

[SaltwaterServr]

It's threads such as these that keep me from reading any of her schtick.

I did however see one of her photos. I have to say, under the right lighting she could model.

















For the "before" picture on a plastic surgery website.

[Go Big D!]

In all reality, I certainly was not trying to be hostile or pull a jobber on you.I just observe how we on this board talk about what bastids eagles fans are (for example), and then we do the same kinds of things. I suppose I just get frustrated that we don't actually back up our talk and behave better. In any case, I generally enjoy your posts and just was surprised by your earlier post. Nonetheless, I care not to represent myself as a "prude" nor do I wish to win anything (unless it comes with a Lombardi trophy). So...peace love and grooviness...until we meet again.:starspin

We throw batteries and snowballs at other teams coaches and players, and laugh and cheer when an opposing player breaks their neck, and we throw water bottles at our own guys, we also taunted Joe Jurevicius about the death of his son, and shot flare guns across our stadium, and boo'd Santa? ;)

[silverbear]

sad thing is that when she leaves the shtick alone she can write well.

Galloway ruined her when he dubbed her the "Little Ball of Hate", and she took it to heart...

[silverbear]

Because, imo, it would seem like selected enforcement of one of this site's violations. If, for example, I said something that was offensive to posters in a thread, I would receive a red warning mark, but if said moderator does the same....

But the moderator you're chastising here said nothing offensive about a poster, he ragged on a mediot... this is, and always has been, fair game... for moderators, and for us peons, too...

Your example is flawed, try again... speaking as a man who has in the past received an infraction or two or six, I don't perceive that the mods can "get away" with things that I couldn't...

Permit me to note that the "offensive" remarks that have you so outraged were actually humorous in nature, not to be taken seriously... so perhaps the real problem here is your utter lack of anything even vaguely resembling a sense of humor...

Finally, I have to observe that anybody who has made her rep as the "Little Ball of Hate", as Jen Engle has gleefully done, makes herself a target for hateful remarks...

No sir, in all this the only real victim I can find is her infant son... I sure do hope she bottle feeds that kid, anything else would be close to child abuse... :D

[silverbear]

So if someone doesn't write or speak in the public view, it would be cruel or unkind to say "Her shrill made my sack shrink, no way some one can procreate with her, unless they are wearing a blind fold and ear muffs.," but if that person is a public person, it is not cruel or unkind for me to speak of them in that way?

OK. I get it now.

Exactly-- Jennifer Floyd Engle is a mediot who has made her name by being deliberately sarcastic, even "hateful"... a person who adopts that sort of public persona invites unkind responses...

If she can make a nice living off of her schtick, she forfeits the right to complain when she gets a fairly predictable backlash...

[silverbear]

Bingo!

Hey, Mr. Bingo, help me out here-- show me one time that a mod has broken the board's rules, and not gotten an infraction...

For that matter, show me one time a mod has broken the board's rules... I don't read all the threads, all the time, so it might have happened, but I sure don't remember it in any threads I have read...

Failing to deliver on this request demonstrates that your "bingo" is completely full of bovine fecal matter...

[silverbear]

Was she wrong?

That's not the point, is it??

To help you focus, let me elaborate as to what the outrage du jour is-- adbutcher wrote some insulting things about LBOH's physical appearance, at which point a few resident members of the PC Patrol squawked their disapproval...

Given that, it is of course legitimate to show that she has done the EXACT same thing in her past writings... so if she can do it, we can do it to her too, right??

[silverbear]

Shsssh, Reality already docked me a paycheck. Any more and I won't be able to feed my family. The prudes win, I don't want any more trouble.

She is :beer1: gorgeous, :beer1: :beer1: :beer1: stunning, :beer1: :beer1: :beer1: :beer1: beautiful...I would wait a minute....:beer1: :beer1: :beer1: :beer1: do her.

Beer would never work for me... not for that...

But they say that heroin is a hell of a drug... LOL...

Until then, I stand with George Carlin, who once opined "I wouldn't do her with a stolen johnson"...

Of course, that's the PG version... :D

[silverbear]

It's threads such as these that keep me from reading any of her schtick.

I did however see one of her photos. I have to say, under the right lighting she could model.

















For the "before" picture on a plastic surgery website.

Without meaning to be cruel-- this time-- I'll just say that she's difficult to look at for very long... but of course, she makes up for it with her endlessly sunny disposition...

[jjktkk]

But the moderator you're chastising here said nothing offensive about a poster, he ragged on a mediot... this is, and always has been, fair game... for moderators, and for us peons, too...

Your example is flawed, try again... speaking as a man who has in the past received an infraction or two or six, I don't perceive that the mods can "get away" with things that I couldn't...

Permit me to note that the "offensive" remarks that have you so outraged were actually humorous in nature, not to be taken seriously... so perhaps the real problem here is your utter lack of anything even vaguely resembling a sense of humor...

Finally, I have to observe that anybody who has made her rep as the "Little Ball of Hate", as Jen Engle has gleefully done, makes herself a target for hateful remarks...

No sir, in all this the only real victim I can find is her infant son... I sure do hope she bottle feeds that kid, anything else would be close to child abuse... :D


Outraged is really stretching it a bit, is this Bill O"Reilly? But in all seriousness, I had assumed the remark made by the Op would be considered offensive, but after reading some other posts, regarding this thread, I errored in judgement.

[adbutcher]

We throw batteries and snowballs at other teams coaches and players, and laugh and cheer when an opposing player breaks their neck, and we throw water bottles at our own guys, we also taunted Joe Jurevicius about the death of his son, and shot flare guns across our stadium, and boo'd Santa? ;)

Talk about losing perspective, lol. Next thing I will be compared to the shoe bomber.


Beer would never work for me... not for that...

But they say that heroin is a hell of a drug... LOL...

Until then, I stand with George Carlin, who once opined "I wouldn't do her with a stolen johnson"...

Of course, that's the PG version... :D

Now that cracked me up twofold. One it is just plain funny and two it reminded me of the Dave Chappell skit about Rick James.:laugh2:

Without meaning to be cruel-- this time-- I'll just say that she's difficult to look at for very long... but of course, she makes up for it with her endlessly sunny disposition...

That's it, I'm dead.:lmao2:

[Zaxor]

It's threads such as these that keep me from reading any of her schtick.

I did however see one of her photos. I have to say, under the right lighting she could model.

















For the "before" picture on a plastic surgery website.

let me guess headlights

[Go Big D!]

Talk about losing perspective, lol. Next thing I will be compared to the shoe bomber.

:laugh2: it was bad enough that he compared you to an eagles fan. That's just playing dirty, lol.

[dogunwo]

Shsssh, Reality already docked me a paycheck. Any more and I won't be able to feed my family. The prudes win, I don't want any more trouble.

She is :beer1: gorgeous, :beer1: :beer1: :beer1: stunning, :beer1: :beer1: :beer1: :beer1: beautiful...I would wait a minute....:beer1: :beer1: :beer1: :beer1: do her.
Wow, Ad you are going ham tonight.

[silverbear]

Outraged is really stretching it a bit, is this Bill O"Reilly?

Hey, I do hyperbole... I'm really good at it, too... :D

And no, this is not Billy O... I don't even own a lufa...

[jjktkk]

Hey, I do hyperbole... I'm really good at it, too... :D

And no, this is not Billy O... I don't even own a lufa...

:laugh1: