Source: Cowboys' Bryant may need new deal to fix finances

[Risen Star]

Dez Bryant is headed into the season hoping to put his financial woes of the off-season in his rearview mirror.

But according to a source, Bryant's problems won't be completely solved until he earns more money or signs a new contract.

Bryant faced two lawsuits in the spring seeking more than $850,000 from the Dallas Cowboys receiver. One of the suits was settled, but one is alive in Tarrant County.


Read more: http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/09/06/3341701/source-cowboys-bryant-may-need.html#ixzz1XGf61kEd

[Manwiththeplan]

IMO, this has very little to do with football, but I hope he learns from this. Unless your talking about a house or car, there's no reason for him to get anything, that he can't pay for right then in person.

[ThreeSportStar80]

Classic case of spending more than you will earn... Talk about bad decisions, who's his NO man as Deion stated?

[CrazyCowboy]

Wow....this is genius way by Dez to get a new deal.

He is so talented and important to our team. Charge more then you can pay and let the team give you a raise to pay your bills........so you can play and stay out of jail. epic.

[morasp]

I've got to be honest, this smells really bad.

[adbutcher]

I love it when my source tells me stuff. Just the other day, a little kid, whose name shall remain anonymous told me that Clarence was a sissy....true story, I have a source.:wink2:

[Smith22]

The math doesn't add up.

Eleow Hunt, of Colleyville, alleges that Bryant and his adviser, David Wells, owe him about $600,000

He earned $2.84 million in 2010 in salary, signing and roster bonuses. He will make $1.1 million in base salary this season.
Dockery's numbers

[Smith22]

If you make close to $4 million in 2 seasons, paying back 600K or 800K shouldn't be an issue, unless you are spending like our government does.

[viman96]

It is so shocking a negative article about a star player would come out less than a week before the start of the season! The Dallas media is really on top of it :rolleyes:

[zrinkill]

So the kid has made 4 million dollars and Clarence thinks he needs a raise to pay off a 600 thousand dollar debt that worst case he would probably have to pay half of?

Clarence needs to go back to math class.

[Dallas]

It's like this writer, and most Dallas media really. They sit and think of the most inopportune times to write something about the team. It cannot be uplifting or positive about the organization or a player. If an ounce of sunshine is pumped for this team or anyone on it, it has to be re-edited so that it can fit the ESPN/DMN/ST mantra hate and spin-o-RAMA.

I cannot for a second imagine anyone paying for ESPN access of any kind.

I would have a seriously hard time containing myself if I saw this fool or JJT out in public. I honestly would have to say something.

Seriously? You have NOTHING at all under the sun to write about except this rediculous claim, that you cannot substantiate. You have no physical proof to support your story except the stupid and overabused "source" source.

How completely trashy and without talent. Guys/Gals! We could write something far better and far more entertaining than this. :)

[morasp]

It is so shocking a negative article about a star player would come out less than a week before the start of the season! The Dallas media is really on top of it :rolleyes:

I remember last year right before the Jets played the Vikings that whole deal about Favre and the email pictures came out. I'm sure it was just coincidence.

[tyke1doe]

The math doesn't add up.

Eleow Hunt, of Colleyville, alleges that Bryant and his adviser, David Wells, owe him about $600,000

He earned $2.84 million in 2010 in salary, signing and roster bonuses. He will make $1.1 million in base salary this season.
Dockery's numbers

The story says he faces two lawsuits seeking almost $850,000.

He earned $2.84 million in salary last year. Let's subtract about 30 percent of that via federal taxes. So he's coughing up more than $850,000 in taxes alone. Leaving him a little under $1.9 million.
Then let's factor in health insurance and retirement, another 7 percent (guess), which is about $133,000. He's now close to $1.77 million. And then let's assume he's living large, has body guards, buys expensive jewelry and cars, supporting his family and friends, etc.
No telling how much that costs.

Now apply the same to his $1.1 million salary.

Then, he will likely have to pay attorneys costs defending both lawsuits.

Do you see how quickly his money can be eaten up?

[Idgit]

It is so shocking a negative article about a star player would come out less than a week before the start of the season! The Dallas media is really on top of it :rolleyes:

Negativity sells. Because we're buying. GO COWBOYS!

[hornitosmonster]

Hope Dez learns. I read an interesting thing on Larry Fitzgerald. He has yet to touch any of his signing bonuses. He lives on his regular salary and endorsements. His bonuses total around 50 million.

[AbeBeta]

it isn't like he can't get a loan to take care of this.

[viman96]

No mention of following up with Dez either to confirm if he does not have the money or made arrangements for the second loan.

[Arch Stanton]

The story says he faces two lawsuits seeking almost $850,000.

He earned $2.84 million in salary last year. Let's subtract about 30 percent of that via federal taxes. So he's coughing up more than $850,000 in taxes alone. Leaving him a little under $1.9 million.
Then let's factor in health insurance and retirement, another 7 percent (guess), which is about $133,000. He's now close to $1.77 million. And then let's assume he's living large, has body guards, buys expensive jewelry and cars, supporting his family and friends, etc.
No telling how much that costs.

Now apply the same to his $1.1 million salary.

Then, he will likely have to pay attorneys costs defending both lawsuits.

Do you see how quickly his money can be eaten up?

I'd guess he'd also have an agent.

[JBond]

The story says he faces two lawsuits seeking almost $850,000.

He earned $2.84 million in salary last year. Let's subtract about 30 percent of that via federal taxes. So he's coughing up more than $850,000 in taxes alone. Leaving him a little under $1.9 million.
Then let's factor in health insurance and retirement, another 7 percent (guess), which is about $133,000. He's now close to $1.77 million. And then let's assume he's living large, has body guards, buys expensive jewelry and cars, supporting his family and friends, etc.
No telling how much that costs.

Now apply the same to his $1.1 million salary.

Then, he will likely have to pay attorneys costs defending both lawsuits.

Do you see how quickly his money can be eaten up?

Your math is off. He is paying 35% of his income for the privilege of living in the USA.

[InmanRoshi]

He earned $2.84 million in salary last year. Let's subtract about 30 percent of that via federal taxes. So he's coughing up more than $850,000 in taxes alone. Leaving him a little under $1.9 million.
Then let's factor in health insurance and retirement, another 7 percent (guess), which is about $133,000. He's now close to $1.77 million. And then let's assume he's living large, has body guards, buys expensive jewelry and cars, supporting his family and friends, etc.
No telling how much that costs.

His management/agent/representation took 8-15% off the top of his contract as well.

[tyke1doe]

Hope Dez learns. I read an interesting thing on Larry Fitzgerald. He has yet to touch any of his signing bonuses. He lives on his regular salary and endorsements. His bonuses total around 50 million.

You put that money away in a conservative investment fund ($35 million after taxes) and with just the basic minimum 2 percent interest, you're still collecting $1.69 million a year for life. Who can't live off $1.69 million with the even greater investment potential of your regular salary and endorsements?

Many athletes don't even have the basic understanding of finances. They blow all their money instead of investing the principle and living off the interest. They can be set for life, if they were smarter. Sigh. :(

[tyke1doe]

His management/agent/representation took 8-15% off the top of his contract as well.

Forgot about that. Thanks.

There are a lot of expenses I didn't account for.

[tyke1doe]

Your math is off. He is paying 35% of his income for the privilege of living in the USA.

Okay, my math is off. 30 percent/35 percent. I think you get my point. We can't look merely at his salary and judge whether he's financially capable of meeting his obligations.

He likely has many expenses, including the obligatory payments he must make. And if you're rich, you're not getting advice cheap. You're paying a percentage of your income to whomever. And then if you have a lavish lifestyle, your income gets eaten away pretty quickly.

[burntricersx]

The story says he faces two lawsuits seeking almost $850,000.

He earned $2.84 million in salary last year. Let's subtract about 30 percent of that via federal taxes. So he's coughing up more than $850,000 in taxes alone. Leaving him a little under $1.9 million.
Then let's factor in health insurance and retirement, another 7 percent (guess), which is about $133,000. He's now close to $1.77 million. And then let's assume he's living large, has body guards, buys expensive jewelry and cars, supporting his family and friends, etc.
No telling how much that costs.

Now apply the same to his $1.1 million salary.

Then, he will likely have to pay attorneys costs defending both lawsuits.

Do you see how quickly his money can be eaten up?

:hammer: Let's not forget, he's got an agent that takes a percentage, and then the spending on the cars, home, etc.

[bbgun]

He's the gift that keeps on giving. So much for "how do you expect him to pay his bills during a lockout??"

[NMfan]

All Dez needs is one major endorsement and this all goes away. Now he does need to learn to spend his money and chose his friends wisely.

[iceberg]

The story says he faces two lawsuits seeking almost $850,000.

He earned $2.84 million in salary last year. Let's subtract about 30 percent of that via federal taxes. So he's coughing up more than $850,000 in taxes alone. Leaving him a little under $1.9 million.
Then let's factor in health insurance and retirement, another 7 percent (guess), which is about $133,000. He's now close to $1.77 million. And then let's assume he's living large, has body guards, buys expensive jewelry and cars, supporting his family and friends, etc.
No telling how much that costs.

Now apply the same to his $1.1 million salary.

Then, he will likely have to pay attorneys costs defending both lawsuits.

Do you see how quickly his money can be eaten up?

you left out agent fees.

[tyke1doe]

All Dez needs is one major endorsement and this all goes away. Now he does need to learn to spend his money and chose his friends wisely.

Sadly, the problem is unless he finds a strewd financial planner and becomes a hermit, he's gonna be broke if not during his career, definitely after it.

It is EXTREMELY hard for guys who come from a poor background to learn money management by themselves and in such a short time and to cut ties with people who drain them of their money. And this includes not only your homeboys but your family too, i.e., mama and dem.

Many NFL players end up broke after their careers, and that's extremely unfortunate. And what's so sad about it is if you merely invest $1 million (after taxes, of course) as a principle investment not to be touched, you should at least have an annual $25,000 income for life on a bare minimum investment drawing 2.5 percent interest. You can get those returns with a basic CD.

Yes, $25,000 isn't alot compared to millions. But assume that's income on top of whatever you make beyond that and in a regular job after your career ends.

[JIGGYFLY]

Sadly, the problem is unless he finds a strewd financial planner and becomes a hermit, he's gonna be broke if not during his career, definitely after it.

It is EXTREMELY hard for guys who come from a poor background to learn money management by themselves and in such a short time and to cut ties with people who drain them of their money. And this includes not only your homeboys but your family too, i.e., mama and dem.

Many NFL players end up broke after their careers, and that's extremely unfortunate. And what's so sad about it is if you merely invest $1 million (after taxes, of course) as a principle investment not to be touched, you should at least have an annual $25,000 income for life on a bare minimum investment drawing 2.5 percent interest. You can get those returns with a basic CD.

Yes, $25,000 isn't alot compared to millions. But assume that's income on top of whatever you make beyond that and in a regular job after your career ends.

So there is just no chance he learns from this and is doomed to always overspend?

Please get off your soap box.

There is nothing in this article that has not been reported 3 months ago and nothing in it corroborates the statement that he will need a new contract to pay this debt.

[tyke1doe]

So there is just no chance he learns from this and is doomed to always overspend?

Please get off your soap box.

First, I'm merely speculating/generalizing. I usually include a "likely" or "probably" to hedge, but I didn't. So I stand corrected there.

Second, it is HIGHLY likely that if he doesn't get help, that's indeed how he will turn out. That's not a soap box, pal. That's reality based on observation.

Why do I say this?

Well, studies have shown that 1/3 of all lotter winners go broke despite winning millions. Also consider this article and read the following (http://www.positivearticles.com/Article/Lottery-Winners-Are-Broke/7662):

"So many lottery winners are broke because winning the lottery did not change their mental attitude about finances. Receiving a big chunk of money did not change their poverty mentality. Their poor, poverty thoughts simply continued to bring to them what those thoughts have always brought to them – poverty. A recent study of people who come into a windfall shows that they will typically prioritize buying a house as number one in a list of twelve choices, while investing is at number eleven.


Getting drafted high and getting millions of dollars is like winning the lottery.

Oh, and check out this article (http://www.businesspundit.com/25-rich-athletes-who-went-broke/) and this article (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1153364) too.

No one is talking down to Dez. The man makes more money than most of us. Still, that doesn't mean he's not courting danger or won't be a statistic if he doesn't manage to get a shrewd financial planner and overcome his background.

There is nothing in this article that has not been reported 3 months ago and nothing in it corroborates the statement that he will need a new contract to pay this debt.

So? We're talking about general concepts of managing money. Based on the above links and given Dez's background (remember, he hasn't even finished school) what makes you think he's going to buck the trend? :confused:

[Romo 2 Austin]

Trying to get the team to pay his debts?

[zrinkill]

:laugh1:

School must be out.

[JIGGYFLY]

First, I'm merely speculating/generalizing. I usually include a "likely" or "probably" to hedge, but I didn't. So I stand corrected there.

Second, it is HIGHLY likely that if he doesn't get help, that's indeed how he will turn out. That's not a soap box, pal. That's reality based on observation.

Why do I say this?

Well, studies have shown that 1/3 of all lotter winners go broke despite winning millions. Also consider this article and read the following (http://www.positivearticles.com/Article/Lottery-Winners-Are-Broke/7662):



Getting drafted high and getting millions of dollars is like winning the lottery.

Oh, and check out this article (http://www.businesspundit.com/25-rich-athletes-who-went-broke/) and this article (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1153364) too.

No one is talking down to Dez. The man makes more money than most of us. Still, that doesn't mean he's not courting danger or won't be a statistic if he doesn't manage to get a shrewd financial planner and overcome his background.



So? We're talking about general concepts of managing money. Based on the above links and given Dez's background (remember, he hasn't even finished school) what makes you think he's going to buck the trend? :confused:

So 2/3 of lottery winners Don't go broke and your automatically putting DEZ in the 1/3 category even though he will most likely be hitting an even bigger lottery in 2 years.

Surely you see how flawed your argument is and the how even your statistics don't back them up.

[SaltwaterServr]

Agents are/were only allowed 2.5% off the top of an NFL contract per the old CBA rules. Not sure what it is now. Endorsement deals or anything else is negotiable between the agent and the player.

Health insurance? I swear its paid for by the league. I might be wrong.

[Smith22]

The story says he faces two lawsuits seeking almost $850,000.


And it says one was settled, which I believe was for 250K.


He earned $2.84 million in salary last year. Let's subtract about 30 percent of that via federal taxes. So he's coughing up more than $850,000 in taxes alone. Leaving him a little under $1.9 million.
Then let's factor in health insurance and retirement, another 7 percent (guess), which is about $133,000. He's now close to $1.77 million.


Which is much more than 600k.


And then let's assume he's living large, has body guards, buys expensive jewelry and cars, supporting his family and friends, etc.
No telling how much that costs.

Other than hiring body guards, the rest is just plain stupid. Bottom line, if you make 4 million over 2 years, you have no business owing anyone 850K. Period.

[ThreeSportStar80]

You put that money away in a conservative investment fund ($35 million after taxes) and with just the basic minimum 2 percent interest, you're still collecting $1.69 million a year for life. Who can't live off $1.69 million with the even greater investment potential of your regular salary and endorsements?

Many athletes don't even have the basic understanding of finances. They blow all their money instead of investing the principle and living off the interest. They can be set for life, if they were smarter. Sigh. :(

Amen bro... I get sooo fustrated when I hear about athletes going broke.

[tyke1doe]

So 2/3 of lottery winners Don't go broke and your automatically putting DEZ in the 1/3 category even though he will most likely be hitting an even bigger lottery in 2 years.

Surely you see how flawed your argument is and the how even your statistics don't back them up.

Actually, it's you who offer a flawed argument. Interestingly, you provide(d) no research for why those 2/3s don't go broke. Could it be that they, uh, have learned somewhere in the course of their lives how to manage their money? Or could it be that of those 2/3s, some aren't broke but aren't rich anymore?

Please, son. Unless you can support your argument, you're like the guy coming to a gun fight with a knife. You assume just because you have a weapon/opinion, that puts you on par with someone with an AK-47.

I've given you three articles which support my argument. And all three articles highlight millionaires who've gone broke because they had little understanding of finances and who had a poverty mindset.

It has already been reported that Dez owes creditors already. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if he continues on his present course, he'll likely join the many athletes who go broke after their careers are done.

If you have any information/research supporting your vapid opinion, I'd like to see/read it.

[starchamber]

Dez Bryant is headed into the season hoping to put his financial woes of the off-season in his rearview mirror.

But according to a source, Bryant's problems won't be completely solved until he earns more money or signs a new contract.

Bryant faced two lawsuits in the spring seeking more than $850,000 from the Dallas Cowboys receiver. One of the suits was settled, but one is alive in Tarrant County.


Read more: http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/09/06/3341701/source-cowboys-bryant-may-need.html#ixzz1XGf61kEd

I am a little slow, can someone please explain to me what this has to do with football? :bang2:

[burmafrd]

I hope Dez learns. It is sad how many NFL players end up broke because they never learned to budget and say NO.

[tyke1doe]

I am a little slow, can someone please explain to me what this has to do with football? :bang2:

I'm sorry, are we only supposed to discuss what happens on the field in cowboyszone? :confused:

[EGG]

The math doesn't add up.

Eleow Hunt, of Colleyville, alleges that Bryant and his adviser, David Wells, owe him about $600,000

He earned $2.84 million in 2010 in salary, signing and roster bonuses. He will make $1.1 million in base salary this season.
Dockery's numbers

after our tax and spenders in Washington get their "fair share" from high income earners you can chop those numbers in half...

[JIGGYFLY]

Actually, it's you who offer a flawed argument. Interestingly, you provide(d) no research for why those 2/3s don't go broke. Could it be that they, uh, have learned somewhere in the course of their lives how to manage their money? Or could it be that of those 2/3s, some aren't broke but aren't rich anymore?

Please, son. Unless you can support your argument, you're like the guy coming to a gun fight with a knife. You assume just because you have a weapon/opinion, that puts you on par with someone with an AK-47.

I've given you three articles which support my argument. And all three articles highlight millionaires who've gone broke because they had little understanding of finances and who had a poverty mindset.

It has already been reported that Dez owes creditors already. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if he continues on his present course, he'll likely join the many athletes who go broke after their careers are done.

If you have any information/research supporting your vapid opinion, I'd like to see/read it.

My opinion is that 2/3 of people who win the lottery don't go broke which invalidates most of your argument and you provided the information for that.

[tyke1doe]

My opinion is that 2/3 of people who win the lottery don't go broke which invalidates most of your argument and you provided the information for that.


What is your opinion based on? Simply saying 2/3 of the people who win the lottery don't go broke doesn't address the issues that face Dez Bryant.

Do those 2/3s owe creditors like Dez does? Or do they manage their finances in such a way that they are careful with their money and don't owe anybody?

You merely pointing to the 2/3s without any reference point.

The danger of the Internet and message boards is that people feel just because they have an opinion, that makes their uneducated, unresearched, illogical opinion on par with reasoned, well-thought-out, researched, logical opinions.

I provided you the research for my opinion. I've provided context for my statement, i.e., if Dez doesn't receive proper financial advice and cut the purse strings attached to him in the form of relatives and friends draining him of his resources, and if he does not take better command of his finances, he likely will be poor and broke after he retires.

I've even provided three links addressing this very issue, the issue that confronts Dez.

You've given me nothing except ... opinion. Well, it's my opinion that you can cuss everyone out and yet everyone will still love you just because your mother does.

Opinion? Yes.

Logical, educated, researched opinion? That doesn't even deserve an answer.

[starchamber]

I'm sorry, are we only supposed to discuss what happens on the field in cowboyszone? :confused:

Who cares how well he manages his money. He wasn't drafted by Goldman Sachs. Stuff like this should be reported on Entertainment Tonight or something. What's next a thread on who he's dating?

[tyke1doe]

Who cares how well he manages his money. He wasn't drafted by Goldman Sachs. Stuff like this should be reported on Entertainment Tonight or something. What's next a thread on who he's dating?

Who cares how well he manages his money?

Uh, the NFL, which counsels rookies on money management and warns them to be aware of those who target them for their riches.

Uh, those who have Dez's well being in mind and who want him to retain his wealth as long as he can.

Uh, fans who want the best for Dez because an undistracted Dez is a Dez who can concentrate more on the football field.

Uh, Jerry Jones, who wants to make sure that money doesn't become an issue with his superstar.

Need I continue?

I guess the question is who are you to determine what others should care about?

Look, if Dez wants to waste his money, he can do that. It's his money. But we can also comment on him wasting his money too.

Remember, this is a forum, a Cowboys forum. We can talk about all things Cowboys, whether on the field or off.

[starchamber]

Who cares how well he manages his money?

Uh, the NFL, which counsels rookies on money management and warns them to be aware of those who target them for their riches.

Uh, those who have Dez's well being in mind and who want him to retain his wealth as long as he can.

Uh, fans who want the best for Dez because an undistracted Dez is a Dez who can concentrate more on the football field.

Uh, Jerry Jones, who wants to make sure that money doesn't become an issue with his superstar.

Need I continue?

I guess the question is who are you to determine what others should care about?

Look, if Dez wants to waste his money, he can do that. It's his money. But we can also comment on him wasting his money too.

Remember, this is a forum, a Cowboys forum. We can talk about all things Cowboys, whether on the field or off.

First off, I could care less what you deem important. Secondly, not all fans care how he spends his money, especially if he is doing nothing illegal. This is the kind of fodder that soccer moms chitter chatter about while getting a manicure. It is a "kiddie table" table topic. If this is your idea of an issue of substance, have at it. Good luck on your steady diet of "cheese and mayonaise". It would probably be better received on your facebook page, right under your witless ramblings extolling the valuable life lessons you have gleened from watching the last season of "Jersey Shore". Has absolutely nothing to do with football.

Why is it so shocking that when you dump a load of money on an individual who prior to had none, it is discovered that said individual is terrible at managing that money is beyond me, but I guess I am different. If wasting money was a distraction, most of the league and half the US population would be distracted. This topic/issue is as American as a-holes and apple pie.

This thread should be filed under the heading of mindless banter. And no you don't need to continue.

[tyke1doe]

First off, I could care less what you deem important.

Then don't ask the question "Who cares" if you don't want it to be answered. Obviously, you did/do care. Otherwise, you wouldn't have asked.

Oh, and it's "I couldn't care less." If you could care less that means you have even more of a capacity to care but you don't want to.

This bit of advice is free. Next time, I may charge you. :D



Secondly, not all fans care how he spends his money, especially if he is doing nothing illegal. This is the kind of fodder that soccer moms chitter chatter about while getting a manicure. It is a "kiddie table" table topic. If this is your idea of an issue of substance, have at it. Good luck on your steady diet of "cheese and mayonaise". It would probably be better received on your facebook page, right under your witless ramblings extolling the valuable life lessons you have gleened from watching the last season of "Jersey Shore". Has absolutely nothing to do with football.

Wow. The "reality television" references. :clap:
Betcha thought long and hard on that retort. :)

Look, son. Let me break it down to you in language even you can understand.

First, if you didn't care, you wouldn't be carping about what other fans feel is important. So you really do care. You just wish we'd adopt a position as you do and not care about what goes on off the field. Sorry, but this is America and, more precisely, this is a message board. If you and those other fans don't care, then don't open this post. Don't respond to this topic. Leave the discussion to those of us who do want to weigh in on this topic.

Second, you may think this is "chitter chatter" for soccer moms. That just shows your lack of sophistication and worldly knowledge. The NFL thinks this issue is so "kiddie table" that it offers a symposium to rookies on money management and avoiding the pitfalls of their riches.
The courts think this issue is so "kiddie table" that it has a process and a specific branch of law (bankruptcy) to handle those who don't pay their debts.
Financial planners think this issue is so "kiddie table" they just offer their services free of charge, not seeking any financial benefits whatsoever dispensing advice to people on how to manage their money properly. No sense in charging for such a "kiddie table" discussion. :rolleyes:
Ex-players think this is such a "kiddie table" issue, they warn new players on the dangers of unwise investments and sycophants.

Son, I know you were trying to string together an insult. I'll give you credit for witticism, but it was definitely empty and devoid of reality. If you're going to insult me, you've got to come stronger than that. :)


Why is it so shocking that when you dump a load of money on an individual who prior to had none, it is discovered that said individual is terrible at managing that money is beyond me, but I guess I am different. If wasting money was a distraction, most of the league and half the US population would be distracted. This topic/issue is as American as a-holes and apple pie.

So by your logic, if people are going to die, we should just let them die. Hey, it's not shocking that people die. Why even talk about ways to extend people's lives. Why talk about eating right or exercising? Why talk about visiting the doctor as a preventative health measure?

If dying is a distraction, then all the U.S. population would be distracted. This topic/issue is as American as apple pie.

See how stupid your reply sounds?

But, oh, that's right. You don't care about this topic. Yet, you're bothered by others that do. ;)

P.S. There's nothing American about a-holes. Humans had a-holes long before America. I know that was another attempt at wittiness. But it doesn't even make sense. But, again, another point for cuteness however nonsensical. ;)


This thread should be filed under the heading of mindless banter. And no you don't need to continue.

To a child, a parent's decision to go to work is considered mindless because all a child understands is fun. But to adults sophisicated enough to understand how the world works, and that not everything is fun and games, the concept of work and the ability to show up to work are very important.

Son, never think that just because you don't have the intellectual appreciation for topics that aren't on-the-field related that means those topics are mindless.

It may mean your mind has not been fully developed to recognize what is important in life and what is not, just like children who believe playing and having fun are the only things in life that matter.

Oh, what the heck. Another free tip, since I'm feeling particularly generous. :)

[starchamber]

Then don't ask the question "Who cares" if you don't want it to be answered. Obviously, you did/do care. Otherwise, you wouldn't have asked.

Oh, and it's "I couldn't care less." If you could care less that means you have even more of a capacity to care but you don't want to.

This bit of advice is free. Next time, I may charge you. :D




Wow. The "reality television" references. :clap:
Betcha thought long and hard on that retort. :)

Look, son. Let me break it down to you in language even you can understand.

First, if you didn't care, you wouldn't be carping about what other fans feel is important. So you really do care. You just wish we'd adopt a position as you do and not care about what goes on off the field. Sorry, but this is America and, more precisely, this is a message board. If you and those other fans don't care, then don't open this post. Don't respond to this topic. Leave the discussion to those of us who do want to weigh in on this topic.

Second, you may think this is "chitter chatter" for soccer moms. That just shows your lack of sophistication and worldly knowledge. The NFL thinks this issue is so "kiddie table" that it offers a symposium to rookies on money management and avoiding the pitfalls of their riches.
The courts think this issue is so "kiddie table" that it has a process and a specific branch of law (bankruptcy) to handle those who don't pay their debts.
Financial planners think this issue is so "kiddie table" they just offer their services free of charge, not seeking any financial benefits whatsoever dispensing advice people on how to manage their money properly. No sense in charging for such a "kiddie table" discussion. :rolleyes:
Ex-players think this is such a "kiddie table" issue, they encourage new players on the dangers of unwise investments and sycophants.

Son, I know you were trying to string together an insult. I'll give you credit for witticism, but it was definitely empty and devoid of reality. If you're going to insult me, you've got to come stronger than that. :)



So by your logic, if people are going to die, we should just let them die. Hey, it's not shocking that people die. Why even talk about ways to extend people's lives. Why talk about eating right or exercising? Why talk about visiting the doctor as a preventative health measure.

If dying is a distraction, then [b]all the U.S. population would be distracted. This topic/issue is as American as apple pie.

See how stupid your reply sounds?

But, oh, that's right. You don't care about this topic. Yet, you're bothered by others that do. :laugh3:



To a child, a parent's decision to go to work is considered mindless because all a child understands is fun. But to adults sophisicated enough to understand how the world works, and that not everything is fun and games, the concept of work and the ability to show up to work is very important.

Son, never think that just because you don't have the intellectual appreciation for topics that aren't on-the-field related that means those topics are mindless.

It may mean your mind has not been fully developed to recognize what is important in life and what is not, just like children who believe playing and having fun is the only thing in life that matters.

Oh, what the heck. Another free tip, since I'm feeling particularly generous. :)

FYI, the statement "who cares", is a rhetorical question , only feckless idiots, dolts and fools would actually bother to answer. You have spent far too much time and energy on a rhetorical question. People live, die, go into debt, recover and go into debt again all the time. Thank God we have people like you to blather on ad nauseam about it. By the way, how are you able to tie Dez's debt into a conversation about death ? I guess the same way you see the football connection. Your attempts to talk down to someone are feeble, sophomoric, pitiful while at the same time being childishly humerous. That takes talent (or an extra chromosome, I am not sure which..) and for that I applaud you.

I personally don't care what people talk about. Why do yo care that I respond to it?

Look this has been fun, but I yearn for topics, posts and posters that are a tad more challenging in there mental process. Your act of impersonating someone with wit and intellect requires a bit more polish and refinement. But this is America, anything is possible and I wish you luck in your endeavors.

I thank you for being the cornicopia of amusement that you have shown yourself to be. But your posts have proven to be nothing more than the mental equivalent of an ambien.

In closing I would add that it has been my pleasure to exhange barbs and witticisms with you, but I would only be doing so to be doing so to be gracious. Not once in any of your tirades have you exposed yourself as a worthy adversary. You have only succeeded in making mefeel guilty of taking advantage of some of your more obvious shortcomings.

Uh-oh..I smell fries burning, you better get back to work....

[JBond]

Forgot about that. Thanks.

There are a lot of expenses I didn't account for.

The posse upkeep bills have got to be high as well.

[tyke1doe]

FYI, the statement "who cares", is a rhetorical question , only feckless idiots, dolts and fools would actually bother to answer.

Nice try, for Internet simpletons. :D

If it were rhetorical, you wouldn't have spent several paragraphs telling me why you don't care and why others shouldn't care either. Your response in a slap in the face of logic.

Sorry, son. Those games don't work on me. I can see through them like crystal clear glass.



You have spent far too much time and energy on a rhetorical question.

Son, my response to you represents .5 percent of my time and energy reserve. Don't flatter yourself. I can spit this out and write stories for deadline at the same time. Trust me, you're not that taxing. :)


People live, die, go into debt, recover and go into debt again all the time. Thank God we have people like you to blather on ad nauseam about it. By the way, how are you able to tie Dez's debt into a conversation about death ?

Wzzzzz! That sound was an analogy flying way over your head. I'll give you time to re-read my post, decipher the point of my analogy and then rethink asking your question if the answer doesn't don upon you. :)


I guess the same way you see the football connection. Your attempts to talk down to someone are feeble, sophomoric, pitiful while at the same time being childishly humerous. That takes talent (or an extra chromosome, I am not sure which..) and for that I applaud you.

Says the man who offered this:


This is the kind of fodder that soccer moms chitter chatter about while getting a manicure. It is a "kiddie table" table topic. If this is your idea of an issue of substance, have at it. Good luck on your steady diet of "cheese and mayonaise". It would probably be better received on your facebook page, right under your witless ramblings extolling the valuable life lessons you have gleened from watching the last season of "Jersey Shore".

What happened is you thought you'd roll in here, insult me (like you probably do others) and thought I didn't have the intellectual capacity to rip your post to shreds. And after you read my post you thought, "Oh, Crap. I picked a fight with the wrong hombre. Apparently, he can see straight through my elementary insults and called me on it. And now he's drawing from the reservior of knowledge and understanding and making me look like a fool. What can I do now? Well, I'll pull out the old Internet tricks and accuse him of talking down to me. Yeah, that's it. That'll do it." :laugh2:

Word of advice. If you don't want to be talked down too, don't talk down to others. There are some in/on this forum who can disagree without being condescending. There are some who really want to engage in civil debate.
There are others who use the Internet to give voice to their immaturity, rudeness and pettiness.

You tried to insult me, so I called you on it. I can't help it if I'm somewhat intelligent and can articulate myself in such a way.

I personally don't care what people talk about. Why do yo care that I respond to it?

Ah, the "I don't care what people talk about" line? If you didn't care you wouldn't be here. How difficult is that to understand?

Second, "why do I care that you respond"? Uh, because this is a message board? Because we come here to discussion issues and topics related to the Dallas Cowboys, the organization, its players, its opponents? Because you responded to my post? Because this is where we sharpen our discussion skills?

Do I need to continue?

Look this has been fun, but I yearn for topics, posts and posters that are a tad more challenging in there mental process. Your act of impersonating someone with wit and intellect requires a bit more polish and refinement. But this is America, anything is possible and I wish you luck in your endeavors.

The ole, "I yearn for more mentally challenging conversation" punk-out line. :lmao2:

If you were interested in mentally challenging conversation, you would be able to rebut my point about the NFL, the courts, financial planners and ex-players all being interested in what you consider "chitter chatter" for soccer moms.

But my point was so strong, you had no comeback. You had no reasonable argument against it. So you dusted off another Internet "face saver" - you know the, "This is not worth my time or intelligence" one - and made a hasty retreat.

I thank you for being the cornicopia of amusement that you have shown yourself to be. But your posts have proven to be nothing more than the mental equivalent of an ambien.

Uh-oh..I smell fries burning, you better get back to work....

Wow. You had to run to the dictionary and find you a few big words. :lmao2:

Look, people can say anything on the Internet, where people think merely having an opinion puts them on par with any other opinion, no matter how ridiculous. But I can pretty much guarantee that in the real world - you know the world that deals with weighter concepts like debt management, money management, bankruptcy, etc., - my posts and points would be considered sound, logical and reasonable.

I've already provided THREE articles that confirm all of my observations.

All I've gotten from you and another of my adversaries in this thread is nothing but unsubstantiated opinions and worthless insults about soccer moms and Jersey Shore. And I'm the mental midget. :lmao2:

[starchamber]

Nice try, for Internet simpletons. :D

If it were rhetorical, you wouldn't have spent several paragraphs telling me why you don't care and why others shouldn't care either. Your response in a slap in the face of logic.

Sorry, son. Those games don't work on me. I can see through them like crystal clear glass.




Son, my response to you represents .5 percent of my time and energy reserve. Don't flatter yourself. I can spit this out and write stories for deadline at the same time. Trust me, you're not that taxing. :)



Wzzzzz! That sound was an analogy flying way over your head. I'll give you time to re-read my post, decipher the point of my analogy and then rethink asking your question if the answer doesn't don upon you. :)



Says the man who offered this:



What happened is you thought you'd roll in here, insult me (like you probably do others) and thought I didn't have the intellectual capacity to rip your post to shreds. And after you read my post you thought, "Oh, Crap. I picked a fight with the wrong hombre. Apparently, he can see straight through my elementary insults and called me on it. And now he's drawing from the reservior of knowledge and understanding and making me look like a fool. What can I do now? Well, I'll pull out the old Internet tricks and accuse him of talking down to me. Yeah, that's it. That'll do it." :laugh2:

Word of advice. If you don't want to be talked down too, don't talk down to others. There are some in/on this forum who can disagree without being condescending. There are some who really want to engage in civil debate.
There are others who use the Internet to give voice to their immaturity, rudeness and pettiness.

You tried to insult me, so I called you on it. I can't help it if I'm somewhat intelligent and can articulate myself in such a way.



Ah, the "I don't care what people talk about" line? If you didn't care you wouldn't be here. How difficult is that to understand?

Second, "why do I care that you respond"? Uh, because this is a message board? Because we come here to discussion issues and topics related to the Dallas Cowboys, the organization, its players, its opponents? Because you responded to my post? Because this is where we sharpen our discussion skills?

Do I need to continue?



The ole, "I yearn for more mentally challenging conversation" punk-out line. :lmao2:

If you were interested in mentally challenging conversation, you would be able to rebut my point about the NFL, the courts, financial planners and ex-players all being interested in what you consider "chitter chatter" for soccer moms.

But my point was so strong, you had no comeback. You had no reasonable argument against it. So you dusted off another Internet "face saver" - you know the, "This is not worth my time or intelligence" one - and made a hasty retreat.



Wow. You had to run to the dictionary and find you a few big words. :lmao2:

Look, people can say anything on the Internet, where people think merely having an opinion puts them on par with any other opinion, no matter how ridiculous. But I can pretty much guarantee that in the real world - you know the world that deals with weighter concepts like debt management, money management, bankruptcy, etc., - my posts and points would be considered sound, logical and reasonable.

I've already provided THREE articles that confirm all of my observations.

All I've gotten from you and another of my adversaries in this thread is nothing but unsubstantiated opinions and worthless insults about soccer moms and Jersey Shore. And I'm the mental midget. :lmao2:

You know it is amazing how someone can be so verbose while at the same time be so inane and lacking of any substantive argument or position. If nothing else you have proven you have a bright future in politcs. Word of advice, I am not talking down to you, I am exposing you. Big difference. But I digress....

My only point was, and is, that this team faces the challenges of:
- A new head coach going into his first full season
- A new D.C.
- Young and untested O-line.
- Key injuries in the secondary
- A QB returning from a season ending injury
- A shaky kicking game
All while facing what may be one of our toughest opponents of the year in the season opener.

Yet you are enthralled by Dez's wallet. How did you ever get over the mall gate issue ? Must have been tough. You know what, I have no problem with you or anyone else discussing this issue, but it won't stop me from stating how adolescent the discussion is. Have at it. It obviously keeps you entertained. :rolleyes:

[DOUBLE WING]

Well, on the bright side, this means he'll probably have a monster year if he needs a new deal that badly.

[tyke1doe]

You know it is amazing how someone can be so verbose while at the same time be so inane and lacking of any substantive argument or position. If nothing else you have proven you have a bright future in politcs. Word of advice, I am not talking down to you, I am exposing you. Big difference. But I digress....

Exposing me? :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

You haven't even addressed any of the substantive points I've made on why I believe Dez is headed for poverty if he doesn't reassess his financial priorities. You've not addressed why the NFL, financial planners, the courts and others in our society place high priority on money management and dealing with the fallout of a lack of money management.

Instead, you've argued how money management and those who consider it an important skilll amounts to "kiddie talk" and "chitter chatter." :laugh1:

But pppllllleeeaaassseeee, expose me. I'm begging you.
Please address the issues I've raised in a competent, reasoned, logical way instead of evoking soccer moms and Jersey Shore. :lmao2:

My only point was, and is, that this team faces the challenges of:
- A new head coach going into his first full season
- A new D.C.
- Young and untested O-line.
- Key injuries in the secondary
- A QB returning from a season ending injury
- A shaky kicking game
All while facing what may be one of our toughest opponents of the year in the season opener.

Oh, really?

First, where did you raise these points in this thread?

Second, I'm sorry, is the thread title "How the Cowboys will face the upcoming season"?

Or is it "Cowboys' Bryant may need new deal to fix finances"?

It seems you took a right turn when you should have taken a left. So not only are your reading skills lacking comprehension, you're not very good at directions either. :laugh1:

Yet you are enthralled by Dez's wallet.

Well, the thread topic is "Dez's finances," right? And a moderator did post this thread so, obviously, those governing this forum thought it a worthy topic of discussion.

But I guess in your world, if I pick up a copy of "War and Peace," I should expect to read the elementary exploits of Dick and Jane. :laugh1:

How did you ever get over the mall gate issue ? Must have been tough. You know what, I have no problem with you or anyone else discussing this issue, but it won't stop me from stating how adolescent the discussion is. Have at it. It obviously keeps you entertained. :rolleyes:

Illogic at its finest.

You do have a problem with me discussing it. That's why you're still here complaining about me discussion Dez's finances.

Don't you even read what you write? Don't you even comprehend what you've already written?

The only adolescent here is you.

You're the one who retaliated first by suggesting this discussion amounts to "chitter chatter."
You're the one who referenced "soccer moms."
You're the one who made the connection to "Jersey Shore."
You're the one who keeps saying he doesn't care but keeps returning to babble on because your ego is bruised.
You're the one who can't make sense of his own arguments.
You're the one who can't understand that a title forecasts what information is to come.
You're the one who believes money management discussions are juvenile, unnecessary and unimportant.

Son, you're caught in an Internet debate cycle. You have too much of an ego to quit while you're a head, but not enough intelligence to mount a sophisicated response to the issue of money management.

Instead, you offer insults and pretend at engaging in intelligent discussion when I've thoroughly revoked your logic card.

Run along to your second-grade recess period. This discussion is bigger than your abilities. Leave it to the college graduates, professors and others who understand the more important things of life like money management, debt management, wise spending and smart investments.

However, if you want me to spank you some more, just come on and bend over - metaphorically speaking. :)

[tyke1doe]

I find it interesting that the tenor of this discussion turns when Jiggyfly and starchamber get offended because I address the possibly that Dez might be in financial trouble based on the two lawsuits.

We were having an intelligent discussion about how a man can spend/waste millions of dollars.

But there are those who even though they say they don't "care" enter the thread to chastize those who want to discuss an issue that the NFL and the players' union feels is important enough to discussion. (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2010-07-29-nfl-rookies-money-bankruptcy_N.htm)

With the NFL's labor deal set to expire in March, the players' union has sharpened focus on financial education while urging members to prepare for a lockout. The league has programs, too, including a financial workshop as part of the annual rookie symposium held in June in Carlsbad, Calif.

"The greatest trap is trying to live up to the expectation of the NFL," says Troy Vincent, the former cornerback and union president who recently became the league's vice president of player development. "The perception has been built up over the years with video games, commercials and the glitz of the NFL. And for so many guys, once they get here, they think, 'I've arrived.'

"Playing in the NFL and making a lot of money is like a dream come true," says Carl Carey, agent for Chicago Bears defensive end Julius Peppers, who signed a six-year deal that could be worth $91.5 million in March. "They're probably not wanting to hear about pitfalls, but they should."

Listen to Ken Ruettgers, who played 12 seasons with the Green Bay Packers after being drafted in the first round in 1985 and founded GamesOver.org, which assists retired players. Mindful of post-football hardships, he is wary as new players arrive.

"When I see guys introduced at the draft, I think of all the hands trying to get into his pockets," he says. "There are agents, advisors, fitness gurus, nutritionists, family, friends, neighbors. Anybody trying to sell something. It can be overwhelming."

"After Uncle Sam comes first, your agent is going to get his cut," says Johnson. "Then there's your wife, girlfriend or baby's mama. You're going to hook up your family and homeboys, and get yourself some nice things, like jewelry or some sweet tire rims.

"By the time you've done all of that, you'd be lucky to have $320,000 left."


I guess Keyshawn Johnson, Troy Vincent, Carl Carey and others in that article are on their soap boxes, are engaging in "chitter chatter" and discussing the equivalent of Jersey Shore. :lmao2:

[bbgun]

You know it is amazing how someone can be so verbose while at the same time be so inane and lacking of any substantive argument or position

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/member.php?u=1783 :cool:

[JIGGYFLY]

I find it interesting that the tenor of this discussion turns when Jiggyfly and starchamber get offended because I address the possibly that Dez might be in financial trouble based on the two lawsuits.

We were having an intelligent discussion about how a man can spend/waste millions of dollars.

But there are those who even though they say they don't "care" enter the thread to chastize those who want to discuss an issue that the NFL and the players' union feels is important enough to discussion. (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2010-07-29-nfl-rookies-money-bankruptcy_N.htm)


I guess Keyshawn Johnson, Troy Vincent, Carl Carey and others in that article are on their soap boxes, are engaging in "chitter chatter" and discussing the equivalent of Jersey Shore. :lmao2:

My point was that your saying Bryant will be going broke because 1/3 of lottery winners have done it was stupid nothing more or less.

You totally took a nothing article and used it to speculat about Bryant's current and future finances.

[jterrell]

If you make close to $4 million in 2 seasons, paying back 600K or 800K shouldn't be an issue, unless you are spending like our government does.

What kind of idiot fronts a person 600 to 800K??? It isn't like the fact Bryant wasn't a top 10 pick or making huge dollars wasn't known.

Bryant is clearly about stupid financially but what's the excuse of these "businessmen"??

4 mil after taxes at that bracket, agent fees and all is probably 1.5 million or so. These two guys fronted that much.....

[ChldsPlay]

My point was that your saying Bryant will be going broke because 1/3 of lottery winners have done it was stupid nothing more or less.


That's not exactly what he said. He said, that Dez is in trouble of going down a path that will lead to financial difficulty if he doesn't change his current practices that have led to these lawsuits. The 1/3 stat was in support of his claim (NOT the cause) in that it shows that it is often the case that lottery winners, a group of people who come into high amount of money very suddenly, similar to NFL players, don't know how to manage the wealth and fall into pitfalls that leave them in terrible financial shape, often times worse than they were before winning the lottery. He also offered in support, the fact that the same thing often happens to other NFL players.

It's a valid point, supported by verifiable data. It's not a statement of fact that Dez will have financial problems in the future, but an reasonable assertion stating that if certain factors go unchanged there is a significant probability that there could be difficulties.

[ChldsPlay]

You know it is amazing how someone can be so verbose while at the same time be so inane and lacking of any substantive argument or position. If nothing else you have proven you have a bright future in politcs. Word of advice, I am not talking down to you, I am exposing you. Big difference. But I digress....

My only point was, and is, that this team faces the challenges of:
- A new head coach going into his first full season
- A new D.C.
- Young and untested O-line.
- Key injuries in the secondary
- A QB returning from a season ending injury
- A shaky kicking game
All while facing what may be one of our toughest opponents of the year in the season opener.

Yet you are enthralled by Dez's wallet. How did you ever get over the mall gate issue ? Must have been tough. You know what, I have no problem with you or anyone else discussing this issue, but it won't stop me from stating how adolescent the discussion is. Have at it. It obviously keeps you entertained. :rolleyes:

Why are you here again?

[BraveHeartFan]

I guess they hadn't written a negative article about Dez in a while and it was eating at them so they had to go out and get one out there.

[tyke1doe]

My point was that your saying Bryant will be going broke because 1/3 of lottery winners have done it was stupid nothing more or less.

Correction, I said if he does not get sound financial advice and if he does not cut loose hangers-on and those out for his money, he will likely end up poor.

That's not stupid, son. That's based on sound observation.

You totally took a nothing article and used it to speculat about Bryant's current and future finances.

A nothing article? :lmao2:

Actually, I offered three articles to underscore my point. And they were supportive articles.

It seems your ability to read and comprehend information isn't any better than Dez's ability to management money. ;)

[tyke1doe]

That's not exactly what he said. He said, that Dez is in trouble of going down a path that will lead to financial difficulty if he doesn't change his current practices that have led to these lawsuits. The 1/3 stat was in support of his claim (NOT the cause) in that it shows that it is often the case that lottery winners, a group of people who come into high amount of money very suddenly, similar to NFL players, don't know how to manage the wealth and fall into pitfalls that leave them in terrible financial shape, often times worse than they were before winning the lottery. He also offered in support, the fact that the same thing often happens to other NFL players.

It's a valid point, supported by verifiable data. It's not a statement of fact that Dez will have financial problems in the future, but an reasonable assertion stating that if certain factors go unchanged there is a significant probability that there could be difficulties.


:clap:

My point is really quite clear to those who want to receive it.

What's sad beyond the deliberate ignorance is the fact that those who don't want us to talk about Dez's financials are really the selfish ones.

They only care about what Dez does on the field. Just catch the darn football and score touchdowns for us, boy. We don't care what your finances are like. Provide us pleasure and amusement, your personal life and financial life be damned.
Nevermind that he has adopted poor money management skills, as evidenced by his outstanding debts and the subsequent lawsuits. They don't think anyone should involve themselves in that issue.

But I wish Dez to be healthy on the field and in his financial life. And only by calling attention to his poor financial skills (whether it's by this forum which he may read or by the newspaper article which he may read or through the NFL or ex-players), maybe Dez receives a wake-up call and takes better responsibility over his finances.

These things don't happen by chance. One must be deliberate in addressing financial irresponsibility, and that starts by recognizing it and calling it for what it is.

[JIGGYFLY]

:clap:

My point is really quite clear to those who want to receive it.

What's sad beyond the deliberate ignorance is the fact that those who don't want us to talk about Dez's financials are really the selfish ones.

They only care about what Dez does on the field. Just catch the darn football and score touchdowns for us, boy. We don't care what your finances are like. Provide us pleasure and amusement, your personal life and financial life be damned.
Nevermind that he has adopted poor money management skills, as evidenced by his outstanding debts and the subsequent lawsuits. They don't think anyone should involve themselves in that issue.

But I wish Dez to be healthy on the field and in his financial life. And only by calling attention to his poor financial skills (whether it's by this forum which he may read or by the newspaper article which he may read or through the NFL or ex-players), maybe Dez receives a wake-up call and takes better responsibility over his finances.

These things don't happen by chance. One must be deliberate in addressing financial irresponsibility, and that starts by recognizing it and calling it for what it is.

I am glad you posted all of this about Dez it will really help him get his finances in order.

I'm sorry for being so selfish.:rolleyes:

[tyke1doe]

I am glad you posted all of this about Dez it will really help him get his finances in order.

I'm sorry for being so selfish.:rolleyes:

We forgive you. You know not what you do. ;)