Texas A&M move to SEC held up by legal threat...

[trickblue]

Texas A&M move to SEC held up by legal threat
By JOHN ZENOR
AP Sports Writer

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) -- The Southeastern Conference cleared the way for Texas A&M to join its ranks - with a wrinkle.

At least one Big 12 school has threatened to sue if the Aggies leave the fold.

The announcement Wednesday that the SEC will make the Aggies the 13th SEC team once the legal issues are resolved is the latest step of a courtship which the Aggies initiated in July.

The SEC, which would become the first BCS conference with more than 12 members, said it received "unanimous written assurance" from the Big 12 on Sept. 2 that it was free to accept Texas A&M. The presidents and chancellors met late Tuesday "with the intention of accepting the application of Texas A&M to be the newest member of the SEC. "

Then the deal hit a snag.

"We were notified (Tuesday) afternoon that at least one Big 12 institution had withdrawn its previous consent and was considering legal action," said Florida President Bernie Machen, chairman of the SEC leaders. "The SEC has stated that to consider an institution for membership, there must be no contractual hindrances to its departure. The SEC voted unanimously to accept Texas A&M University as a member upon receiving acceptable reconfirmation that the Big 12 and its members have reaffirmed the letter dated September 2."

The Big 12 didn't say which school was threatening legal action. However, Mississippi State President Mark Keenum said it's "my understanding" that Baylor was the school holding up the move.

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[Cythim]

This is why A&M hasn't "just [left] already."

[trickblue]

I think Baylor stands to lose the most if The Big 12 falters...

[joseephuss]

It will get done and Baylor will get some sort of compensation. Baylor knows the move is inevitable and just wants to get something in return. They could just let it go without saying anything or cry a little and get a little money.

[joseephuss]

I think Baylor stands to lose the most if The Big 12 falters...

I agree. Of course they probably have brought the least to the Big 12 over the years.

[Cythim]

Baylor was lucky not to join TCU, SMU, Houston and Rice when the Big 12 was formed.

[trickblue]

I agree. Of course they probably have brought the least to the Big 12 over the years.

In football, yes... but I think I read somewhere they're the most successful overall athletic program in the Big 12 over the last few years...

[joseephuss]

In football, yes... but I think I read somewhere they're the most successful overall athletic program in the Big 12...

Football is all that matters. Well, not all, but it means the most. Not everything is weighed evenly. Football brings in the biggest revenue for most athletic departments.

[trickblue]

Football is all that matters. Well, not all, but it means the most. Not everything is weighed evenly. Football brings in the biggest revenue for most athletic departments.

Oh... without a doubt... I was just sayin'...

[Cythim]

In football, yes... but I think I read somewhere they're the most successful overall athletic program in the Big 12 over the last few years...

I don't see how Baylor can get that title. They dominate tennis and have been the best in women's basketball recently, but the Aggies have won 8 national titles over the last three years. Baylor's average standing in the Director's Cup over the last three years is 33rd while Texas is 11th, Oklahoma is 17th and A&M is 9th. Nebraska was sitting somewhere between Oklahoma and Baylor, but all other Big 12 schools were behind Baylor.

[Aikbach]

I agree. Of course they probably have brought the least to the Big 12 over the years.Not so, football is the sexy money maker which has definitely struggled up until recent but Baylor actually has the most Big 12 titles and National Championships collectively across sports behind only the University of Texas.


Basically Baylor is just making sure A&M pays top dollar for taking back their pledge less than a calendar year to be fully committed to the Big 12, if you don't enforce stiff penalties for voiding a contract then what is the point in having a contract or a conference.

[The30YardSlant]

Baylor is really embarrassing themselves in all of this. They know this is going to happen eventually and this little charade is born out of anger and spite.

I'd like to add that Baylor didnt have a problem screwing over SMU and TCU when teh SWC fell apart. Their current stance is the definition of hypocricy.

[Cythim]

Not so, football is the sexy money maker which has definitely struggled up until recent but Baylor actually has the most Big 12 titles and National Championships collectively across sports behind only the University of Texas.


Basically Baylor is just making sure A&M pays top dollar for taking back their pledge less than a calendar year to be fully committed to the Big 12, if you don't enforce stiff penalties for voiding a contract then what is the point in having a contract or a conference.

Where did you find your misinformation? Baylor ranks 5th behind UT, OU, NU and TAMU in conference titles and 7th in national titles.

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&&DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=205160610

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=1524174

[Aikbach]

Baylor was lucky not to join TCU, SMU, Houston and Rice when the Big 12 was formed.This is the kind of obnoxiousness that will make Aggie jokes all the rage in the SEC, if you were true winners you'd be content on your achievements as opposed to trying to demean others in an effort to puff yourself up. if you were secure in the big bad state school with contractual oil revenue that it doesn't share with anyone but UT (who it is positively paranoid about) then that little ol' private school founded by the Republic of Texas wouldn't bother you, you'd be able to appreciate their achievements given their size and resources but alas you cannot because you're not truly secure in what A&M has done with itself considering it's supposed largely self proclaimed excellence.

Show some sportsmanship, lord knows you'll be calling for it in the SEC during football season, it's going to be humble pie that might make you yearn for the Dennis Franchione years.

The Baylor football program indeed struggled in the first 10 years of the Big 12, partly because of an inability to get a good coach after Grant Teaff, but also they were invited to the Big 12 because they were so consistent under Teaff they had a reputation as a top 25 contender for the 20 year prior to Big 12 play, and obviously in other sports continued to excel so please stop trying to demean others and just mind your own ship.

Baylor isn't enhanced by dumping on A&M and A&M isn't enhanced by dumping on Baylor, it just makes you look petty.

Both are ranked opponents right now, a shame the conference looks to be endangered seeming how competitive the Big 12 South seems to be.

[Cythim]

This is the kind of obnoxiousness that will make Aggie jokes all the rage in the SEC, if you were true winners you'd be content on your achievements as opposed to trying to demean others in an effort to puff yourself up. if you were secure in the big bad state school with contractual oil revenue that it doesn't share with anyone but UT (who it is positively paranoid about) then that little ol' private school founded by the Republic of Texas wouldn't bother you, you'd be able to appreciate their achievements given their size and resources but alas you cannot because you're not truly secure in what A&M has done with itself considering it's supposed largely self proclaimed excellence.

Show some sportsmanship, lord knows you'll b e calling for it in the SEC during football season, it's going to be humble pie that might make you yearn for Dennis Franchione years.

The Baylor football program indeed struggled in the first 10 years of the Big 12, partly because of an inability to get a good coach after Grant Teaff, but also because they were so consistent under Teaff they had a reputation as a top 245 contender for the 20 year prior to Big 12 play, and obviously in other sports continued to excel so please stop trying to demean others and just mind your own ship.

Baylor isn't enhanced by dumping on A&M and A&M isn't enhanced by dumping on Baylor, it just makes you look petty.

Both are ranked opponents right now, a shame the conference looks to be endangered seeming how competitive the Big 12 South seems to be.

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I'm just stating facts. Why did Baylor get to tag along over schools in Houston and Dallas?

[Aikbach]

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I'm just stating facts. Why did Baylor get to tag along over schools in Houston and Dallas?Well you cetainly haven't gone out of your way to prove that you're not rightfully perceived as petty and juvenile.

Like i said, enjoy the mediocrity of your time in the SEC and reminiscing about the good ol' days under Dennis Franchione, i wonder what the likes of LSU, Auburn, Florida and Alabama and soon enough Tennessee are going to think about the Texas obsession woven into your fight song? I suspect they'll be ruing the day they permitted expansion, one that inevitably will lead to the SEC likely breaking up in due course as well.

What's so sadly myopic about A&M is that they think others want to mimic them, i assure you that's not the case in any way shape or form, you're welcome to go the SEC, but you're not going to be any more respected than you already aren't, mainly because you don't give respect and you certainly haven't earned any, particularly in terms of sportsmanship as seen here.

[Aikbach]

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I'm just stating facts. Why did Baylor get to tag along over schools in Houston and Dallas?Well undoubtedly politics, you're an idiot if you don't think that's what obviouslyrevolves all of this world, Grant Teaff is repected and in high places and Baylor was good at the time.

I think a better question is why didn't Jackie Sherril ultimately get A&M the death penalty instead of SMU which would've completely left them out of any viable conference? Oh that's right politics, see how that works?

When you're big politicking isn't cheating even if you're cheating, if you're little and you poliitck you are whining.

It's fitting your mascot is a bi@tch because that's exactly all you guys do.

[Aikbach]

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I'm just stating facts. Why did Baylor get to tag along over schools in Houston and Dallas?Well undoubtedly politics, you're an idiot if you don't think that's what obviouslyrevolves all of this world, Grant Teaff is repected and in high places and Baylor was good at the time.

I think a better question is why didn't Jackie Sherril ultimately get A&M the death penalty instead of SMU which would've completely left them out of any viable conference? Oh that's right politics, see how that works?

When you're big politicking isn't cheating even if you're cheating, if you're little and you poliitck you are whining.

It's fitting your mascot is a bi@tch because that's exactly all you guys do.

[Cythim]

Well you cetainly haven't gone out of your way to prove that you're not rightfully perceived as petty and juvenile.

Like i said, enjoy the mediocrity of your time in the SEC and reminiscing about the good ol' days under Dennis Franchione, i wonder what the likes of LSU, Auburn, Florida and Alabama and soon enough Tennessee are going to think about the Texas obsession woven into your fight song? I suspect they'll be ruing the day they permitted expansion, one that inevitably will lead to the SEC likely breaking up in due course as well.

What's so sadly myopic about A&M is that they think others want to mimic them, i assure you that's not the case in any way shape or form, you're welcome to go the SEC, but you're not going to be any more respected than you already aren't, mainly because you don't give respect and you certainly haven't earned any, particularly in terms of sportsmanship as seen here.

Right, you were the clown running your mouth last year about Baylor running roughshod over the Aggies and winning the Big 12 South. I remember you disappearing quickly after the Aggies turned that game around. Don't talk to me about sportsmanship or respect when you and Baylor do nothing to earn either.

Enjoy your future of being dominated in C-USA.

[Cythim]

Well undoubtedly politics, you're an idiot if you don't think that's what obviouslyrevolves all of this world, Grant Teaff is repected and in high places and Baylor was good at the time.

I think a better question is why didn't Jackie Sherril ultimately get A&M the death penalty instead of SMU which would've completely left them out of any viable conference? Oh that's right politics, see how that works?

When you're big politicking isn't cheating even if you're cheating, if you're little and you poliitck you are whining.

It's fitting your mascot is a bi@tch because that's exactly all you guys do.

It is obvious you have deep contempt for the Aggies. You should go cool off before you blow a gasket.

[Aikbach]

It is obvious you have deep contempt for the Aggies. You should go cool off before you blow a gasket.I have deep contempt for classless trolls such as yourself, i think you need to heed your own advice, i like how you gloss over the reality of the situation, it shows how divorced you are from it.

[Aikbach]

Right, you were the clown running your mouth last year about Baylor running roughshod over the Aggies and winning the Big 12 South. I remember you disappearing quickly after the Aggies turned that game around. Don't talk to me about sportsmanship or respect when you and Baylor do nothing to earn either.

Enjoy your future of being dominated in C-USA.I can't talk to you about sportsmanship, you're right about one thing, you've not ever displayed it.

[The30YardSlant]

Not so, football is the sexy money maker which has definitely struggled up until recent but Baylor actually has the most Big 12 titles and National Championships collectively across sports behind only the University of Texas.

This is just false. Baylor isnt even in the top four.

Basically Baylor is just making sure A&M pays top dollar for taking back their pledge less than a calendar year to be fully committed to the Big 12, if you don't enforce stiff penalties for voiding a contract then what is the point in having a contract or a conference.

A&M pledged to the stay with the Big XII as it stood last summer. That situation changed, and thus the agreement is null and void. You can thank Texas for going back on their word with regards to not trying to broadcast UIL games on their network. Besides, Baylor is threatening to sue the SEC, not A&M.

[xout]

As an outsider to the situation, I think Baylor is being petty but I understand where they are coming from. A&M leaving will set up a faster paced downfall of the Big 12, of which will leave Baylor out in the cold. This is a desperate attempt to possibly cause the SEC to just back off and force A&M to stay.

The Big 12 crumbling means Baylor (with the Kansas schools and ISU) are left fighting for relevance in the Mountain West or Conference-USA.

[Cythim]

As an outsider to the situation, I think Baylor is being petty but I understand where they are coming from. A&M leaving will set up a faster paced downfall of the Big 12, of which will leave Baylor out in the cold. This is a desperate attempt to possibly cause the SEC to just back off and force A&M to stay.

The Big 12 crumbling means Baylor (with the Kansas schools and ISU) are left fighting for relevance in the Mountain West or Conference-USA.

The Big East will possibly be an option if it doesn't get raided by the ACC/SEC/Big 10. I think the conference wants to stick together because of their power in basketball but we will have to see what happens. Baylor may be left out in the cold no matter what.

[Cythim]

I have deep contempt for classless trolls such as yourself, i think you need to heed your own advice, i like how you gloss over the reality of the situation, it shows how divorced you are from it.

You use a lot of "big" words without knowing what they mean, its cute :lmao2:

[The30YardSlant]

As an outsider to the situation, I think Baylor is being petty but I understand where they are coming from. A&M leaving will set up a faster paced downfall of the Big 12, of which will leave Baylor out in the cold. This is a desperate attempt to possibly cause the SEC to just back off and force A&M to stay.

The Big 12 crumbling means Baylor (with the Kansas schools and ISU) are left fighting for relevance in the Mountain West or Conference-USA.

The problem is that Baylor knows that their threat of litigation is bogus and yet they are doing it anyway. They think that the ends justify the means. Their alumni and fans think that making up this "tortious interference" charge is ok because they are doing it in the best interest of their program. If the SEC had actually violated any rules or contacted us first, it would still be petty but at least defensible. As it stands, this situation is casting Baylor, it's administration and it's alumni in such an awful light that I can't believe there are high ups within that university willing to go along with it. What conference is going to want them after this charade? Ken Starr and Baylor has shown they lack even the smallest shred of dignity. I really feel for the Baylor fans that I know who are against this and embarrassed by it, because a national audience now has a negative perception of them.

[jimmy40]

Baylor is really embarrassing themselves in all of this. They know this is going to happen eventually and this little charade is born out of anger and spite.

I'd like to add that Baylor didnt have a problem screwing over SMU and TCU when teh SWC fell apart. Their current stance is the definition of hypocricy.
:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:
aggie talking about someone doing something out of anger and spite?

[Aikbach]

The problem is that Baylor knows that their threat of litigation is bogus and yet they are doing it anyway. They think that the ends justify the means. Their alumni and fans think that making up this "tortious interference" charge is ok because they are doing it in the best interest of their program. If the SEC had actually violated any rules or contacted us first, it would still be petty but at least defensible. As it stands, this situation is casting Baylor, it's administration and it's alumni in such an awful light that I can't believe there are high ups within that university willing to go along with it. What conference is going to want them after this charade? Ken Starr and Baylor has shown they lack even the smallest shred of dignity. I really feel for the Baylor fans that I know who are against this and embarrassed by it, because a national audience now has a negative perception of them.Iowa State has said not so fast as well:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/09/iowa-state-legal-rights-texas-a38m-move-sec/1

Like has already been said, it's just to make sure maximum penalty for not honoring a contract is paid, if schools bail they can't walk away without feeling it and that's all there is to it.

And i think you're really too impressed with how highly you think people care about A&M leaving, a national audience doesn't care about where they go and most SEC fans aren't impressed by the addition one iota.

[Aikbach]

You use a lot of "big" words without knowing what they mean, its cute :lmao2:Substance as usual evades you, sorry that a vocabulary threatens you, but what else is new.

[The30YardSlant]

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:
aggie talking about someone doing something out of anger and spite?

If you want to continue believing we left for the SEC solely to spite Texas, then go ahead. Nevermind the increased revenue, exposure and stability.

[The30YardSlant]

Iowa State has said not so fast as well:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/09/iowa-state-legal-rights-texas-a38m-move-sec/1

Like has already been said, it's just to make sure maximum penalty for not honoring a contract is paid, if schools bail they can't walk away without feeling it and that's all there is to it.

And i think you're really too impressed with how highly you think people care about A&M leaving, a national audience doesn't care about where they go and most SEC fans aren't impressed by the addition one iota.

I don't know what you want me to say. Congrats on being on the same level as Iowa State?

And again, there is no longer a contract to be honored. Texas broke the terms of the agreement when they attempted to show UIL sponsored events and get a second conference game on their network. Not to mention that it was gentleman's agreement to begin with. A&M, nor anybody else, signed anything last summer. Baylor has no legal ground to stand on and is fabricating SEC interference in an attempt to stay in an AQ conference.

As for the significance of the move, this will almost certainly be the move that kicks off the race to 16 team superconferences. If this happens, and it will, there will likely be at least two 16 team conferences by 2013 (PAC and SEC). SEC fans and media personalities have spent the last 24 hours ripping Baylor apart via various media outlets. The SEC knows the significance of acquiring the Texas market and the recruits and televisions that come along with it, even if you don't. They also know they stand to increase their revenue with a revamped TV deal. Bitterness seems to have clouded your perspective, this move is so much bigger than just Baylor, A&M and the fall of the Big XII.

[Aikbach]

If you want to continue believing we left for the SEC solely to spite Texas, then go ahead. Nevermind the increased revenue, exposure and stability.The Sporting News sides with Baylor, so it looks liek the national press ain't so favorable to A&M, basically your president jumped the gun saying all had waved, now multiple schools are coming forward say "No we didn't":
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2011-09-07/only-baylor-officials-have-long-term-goals-in-mind#ixzz1XJjrKG3y

[Aikbach]

Baylor was lucky not to join TCU, SMU, Houston and Rice when the Big 12 was formed.Let's see. #20 football team in the country. #9 MBB team in the country. #1 WBB team in the country. Top 10 Men and Women's tennis. Top 10 Softball team. Top 25 baseball team. What am I missing here? Why is Baylor looked at like the little dog? This is 2011, not 1998. Baylor is a force to be reckoned with in athletics now and will be just fine if the Big XII dissolves.

In the mean time your cowardly institution is going to pay big money for betraying it's contract.

[The30YardSlant]

The Sporting News sides with Baylor, so it looks liek the national press ain't so favorable to A&M, basically your president jumped the gun saying all had waved, now multiple schools are coming forward say "No we didn't":
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2011-09-07/only-baylor-officials-have-long-term-goals-in-mind#ixzz1XJjrKG3y

*Yawn*

Baylor and Iowa State are trying to argue that a group statement from the conference that they agreed to is not the same as individual signed waivers. Legally, they are right, but it's bush league and they know it. Forgive us for expecting a reputable univeristy to not shame itself in the name of hate.

[The30YardSlant]

What am I missing here? Why is Baylor looked at like the little dog?

Because of their weak fanbase, their irrelevance with regards to national media attention, their woeful athletic showing in the two revenue sports over the last 20 years, but most importantly the lack of television sets they bring. A&M and Texas bring with them to Dallas, Houston, Austin and San Antonio markets. Again, your views on this subject are narrow and shortsighted and lack any perspective whatsoever. You don't seem to understand how college athletics works in the year 2011. It's about money and TV sets, of which Baylor brings neither. A couple years of incredibly moderate success is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Has A&M been great in football over the last decade? No, and yet the SEC still covets them.

And let's not act like Baylor is running on sustained success. Baylor is three years removed from being the worst overall football/basketball school of any major conference member. No BCS football conference school has a worse conference record since 1996. Only seven D-1 basketball programs have fewer conference wins since 1996, and most of them are in conferences I doubt you even know exist. And the fact that you bring up sports such as tennis as if that has any bearing on anything is laughable. A&M just won the women's basketball national title, and absolutely nobody cares. Football and to a much lesser extent basketball are where this discussion begins and ends, and even then it's about alumni bases and TV sets moreso than success.

In the mean time your cowardly institution is going to pay big money for betraying it's contract.


Worst case scenario, we pay no more than the $9 million Colorado and Nebraska paid (none of which was actually their money anyway, simply forfeited TV revenue). The more likely scenario is that we leave, OU, Okie State, Tech and Texas immediately bolt fot the PAC, Kansas leaves for the Big East soon, the Big XII dissolves and nobody pays anything as there is no longer a conference to collect. Also, as soon as the conference number drops below 8 the TV contract becomes null and void and nobody has any claim to lost TV revenue.

In other words, no matter what we won't be writing anyone a check. We may simply leave a chunk of our $20 million in TV revenue for this season to be split amongst the remaining conference members.

[lane]

i've been a fan of Texas A&M since 1975..

they are making a big mistake going to the sec.

them boys over there play a very physical brand of football.

[Aikbach]

I don't know what you want me to say. Congrats on being on the same level as Iowa State?

And again, there is no longer a contract to be honored. Texas broke the terms of the agreement when they attempted to show UIL sponsored events and get a second conference game on their network. Not to mention that it was gentleman's agreement to begin with. A&M, nor anybody else, signed anything last summer. Baylor has no legal ground to stand on and is fabricating SEC interference in an attempt to stay in an AQ conference.

As for the significance of the move, this will almost certainly be the move that kicks off the race to 16 team superconferences. If this happens, and it will, there will likely be at least two 16 team conferences by 2013 (PAC and SEC). SEC fans and media personalities have spent the last 24 hours ripping Baylor apart via various media outlets. The SEC knows the significance of acquiring the Texas market and the recruits and televisions that come along with it, even if you don't. They also know they stand to increase their revenue with a revamped TV deal. Bitterness seems to have clouded your perspective, this move is so much bigger than just Baylor, A&M and the fall of the Big XII.What's clouded is your denial A&M sought their own tv contract and felt low balled by what they could achieve, a paltry 3 million compare to UT's 15 million, A&M broke their contract, they couldn't get their own network in order and bolted.

Fact is A&M didn't honor their commitments and now face a financial penalty and bad press, spin as you might the facts as seen by most honest observers do not favor A&M.

[Aikbach]

Because of their weak fanbase, their irrelevance with regards to national media attention, their woeful athletic showing in the two revenue sports over the last 20 years, but most importantly the lack of television sets they bring. A&M and Texas bring with them to Dallas, Houston, Austin and San Antonio markets. Again, your views on this subject are narrow and shortsighted and lack any perspective whatsoever. You don't seem to understand how college athletics works in the year 2011. It's about money and TV sets, of which Baylor brings neither. A couple years of incredibly moderate success is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Has A&M been great in football over the last decade? No, and yet the SEC still covets them.

And let's not act like Baylor is running on sustained success. Baylor is three years removed from being the worst overall football/basketball school of any major conference member. No BCS football conference school has a worse conference record since 1996. Only seven D-1 basketball programs have fewer conference wins since 1996, and most of them are in conferences I doubt you even know exist. And the fact that you bring up sports such as tennis as if that has any bearing on anything is laughable. A&M just won the women's basketball national title, and absolutely nobody cares. Football and to a much lesser extent basketball are where this discussion begins and ends, and even then it's about alumni bases and TV sets moreso than success.



Worst case scenario, we pay no more than the $9 million Colorado and Nebraska paid (none of which was actually their money anyway, simply forfeited TV revenue). The more likely scenario is that we leave, OU, Okie State, Tech and Texas immediately bolt fot the PAC, Kansas leaves for the Big East soon, the Big XII dissolves and nobody pays anything as there is no longer a conference to collect. Also, as soon as the conference number drops below 8 the TV contract becomes null and void and nobody has any claim to lost TV revenue.

In other words, no matter what we won't be writing anyone a check. We may simply leave a chunk of our $20 million in TV revenue for this season to be split amongst the remaining conference members.Despite blocs of words trying to deny it A&M is in a genuine legal pickle and your supposed justification of UT's network is weak and made disingenuous by the fact A&M sought their own and couldn't get a deal they liked.

So now A&M gets to leave the Big 12 bitterly and with a huge hit before they partake of a conference that will whip up on them and soon have them searching for yet another one so they can save face.

[The30YardSlant]

What's clouded is your denial A&M sought their own tv contract and felt low balled by what they could achieve, a paltry 3 million compare to UT's 15 million, A&M broke their contract, they couldn't get their own network in order and bolted.

Literally nothing about this is even remotely correct. Even the monetary number for Texas' deal is wrong. You literally couldnt have slipped more incorrect statements into so few chracters had you actively been trying to do so. A&M never seriously pursued our own network, nor did they try and make a joint venture with Texas as some have insinuated.

Fact is A&M didn't honor their commitments and now face a financial penalty and bad press, spin as you might the facts as seen by most honest observers do not favor A&M.

We honored our commitment right up until the point at which Texas stopped honoring theirs. And again, that is essentially irrelevant because nothing was ever put in writing. Do you not understand how the law works? No legal documentation means there is nothing keeping the agreement together but the word of the individual or institutution, and in this case Texas broke their word. Now we've broken ours. Finally, once again, this is not the legal rout Baylor is pursuing anyway. Baylor is threatening the SEC with litigation, not A&M. Baylor has publically expressed this is about keeping the conference together, not getting an exit fee from A&M.

I'm baffled at how you are able to stack falsehood on top of falsehood without so much as skipping a beat to consider the facts.

[Aikbach]

*Yawn*

Baylor and Iowa State are trying to argue that a group statement from the conference that they agreed to is not the same as individual signed waivers. Legally, they are right, but it's bush league and they know it. Forgive us for expecting a reputable univeristy to not shame itself in the name of hate.Every asinine post you've made to date is from the myopia of aggie land, you're not even in tune to how you are perceived nationally, only how you wish to be perceived. You are looked at unfavorably by the SEC fanbase, not respected by the Big 12 fans and as seen by portions of the national press being called out for hypocrisy, you get to go to the SEC, you just don't get to do it with integrity or with any reasonable motivation, you destroyed that opportunity and have been called out for it, so now you attempt to spin a rationale. None exists, you betrayed your commitment, your president patently lied about a universal waiver, and it was all motivated by a jealousy of UT's additional cable revenue, a deal A&M investigated for itself unsuccessfully.

Get your head out of the sand, or worse yet your anatomy.

[The30YardSlant]

Despite blocs of words trying to deny it A&M is in a genuine legal pickle and your supposed justification of UT's network is weak and made disingenuous by the fact A&M sought their own and couldn't get a deal they liked.

Again, not even close to factual

So now A&M gets to leave the Big 12 bitterly and with a huge hit before they partake of a conference that will whip up on them and soon have them searching for yet another one so they can save face.

You are so out of touch. Baylorfans talking points are unbecoming of you.

[Aikbach]

Literally nothing about this is even remotely correct. Even the monetary number for Texas' deal is wrong. You literally couldnt have slipped more incorrect statements into so few chracters had you actively been trying to do so. A&M never seriously pursued our own network, nor did they try and make a joint venture with Texas as some have insinuated.



We honored our commitment right up until the point at which Texas stopped honoring theirs. And again, that is essentially irrelevant because nothing was ever put in writing. Do you not understand how the law works? No legal documentation means there is nothing keeping the agreement together but the word of the individual or institutution, and in this case Texas broke their word. Now we've broken ours. Finally, once again, this is not the legal rout Baylor is pursuing anyway. Baylor is threatening the SEC with litigation, not A&M. Baylor has publically expressed this is about keeping the conference together, not getting an exit fee from A&M.

I'm baffled at how you are able to stack falsehood on top of falsehood without so much as skipping a beat to consider the facts.You're divorced from reality, we've established that, rinse and repeat. Now go figure out which SEC team to obsess about in your new fight song.

You got your nose bloodied in a legal scrimmage of your own making, boohoo, how dare you be called out for being negligent to your commitments.

But obviously you've decided in another dimension that just didn't happen, facts be damned.

[Aikbach]

Again, not even close to factual



You are so out of touch. Baylorfans talking points are unbecoming of you.
Great rebuttal, so filled with facts and sources, do a quick google search and wipe the egg off your face.

A&M failed their commitments, Baylor has the number 3 litigation program in the nation, they don't pull it out haphazardly, they call upon that talent when there's a case not to show off to an ag school that got their feelings hurt over not being able to match a cable deal.

A&M and or the SEC will pay a big check to the remaining Big 12 schools for their failure to honor their commitments, end of story.

[Rogah]

Eh, these lawsuits are run of the mill. I remember how funny it was when BC sued to keep Syracuse in the Big East when everyone thought Syracuse was headed to the ACC along with VA Tech and Miami. Then BC was the one who got one of the invites. Funny how quickly they dropped their lawsuit. :D

[The30YardSlant]

You're divorced from reality, we've established that, rinse and repeat. Now go figure out which SEC team to obsess about in your new fight song.

You got your nose bloodied in a legal scrimmage of your own making, boohoo, how dare you be called out for being negligent to your commitments.

But obviously you've decided in another dimension that just didn't happen, facts be damned.

There is clearly no reasoning with you. You're either a liar or so out of touch with reality that nothing. Some of the things yu are saying are so far out in left field that I'm literally baffled to be reading them.

[Aikbach]

Eh, these lawsuits are run of the mill. I remember how funny it was when BC sued to keep Syracuse in the Big East when everyone thought Syracuse was headed to the ACC along with VA Tech and Miami. Then BC was the one who got one of the invites. Funny how quickly they dropped their lawsuit. :DWell what's so amusing about A&M is the premise of their fanbase for justifying the negation of the their contract is that the Longhorns have a network and that makes it void.

A&M has some fine programs, law not being among them and here it shows, enter the school known for producing doctors and lawyers and calling them out.

If A&M were genuinely concerned about other schools having revenue slighted from them by the Longhorn network then they wouldn't actively lobby the Texas legislator to keep them grandfathered in an archaic piece of legislation that only gives oil revenue to UT and A&M and not a single dime to any other state school such as Texas Tech or Texas State or any other portion of the UT system, for some reason they don't have a problem with keeping that revenue from being shared evenly.

Fact is they tried to get a cable contract comparable to UT and couldn't, they hate leaving in the shadow of UT so they bolted and did it prematurely, not meeting all the conditions, and a mere year after promising hteir commitment to the Big 12 and I quote them:

"Texas A&M is a proud member of the Big 12 Conference and will continue to be affiliated with the conference in the future. As athletics director Bill Byrne and I have stated on numerous occasions, our hope and desire was for the Big 12 to continue. We are committed to the Big 12 and its success today and into the future."

...unless UT does something we can't copy for revenue apparently.

[Aikbach]

There is clearly no reasoning with you. You're either a liar or so out of touch with reality that nothing. Some of the things yu are saying are so far out in left field that I'm literally baffled to be reading them.
You must be reading your own posts then.

[Cythim]

There is clearly no reasoning with you. You're either a liar or so out of touch with reality that nothing. Some of the things yu are saying are so far out in left field that I'm literally baffled to be reading them.


You are absolutely right on your analysis. You should do as I did, just ignore him when he tries to talk college sports. I should have remembered his ranting about how awesome the Baylor football program was last year. Remember, this is the same clown that stated:

"Baylor actually has the most Big 12 titles and National Championships collectively across sports behind only the University of Texas."

He has spewed nothing but lies and vitriol all over this thread because he has so much contempt for TAMU. It is a shame such a small mind could come out of such a fine institution has Baylor.

[Aikbach]

You are absolutely right on your analysis. You should do as I did, just ignore him when he tries to talk college sports. I should have remembered his ranting about how awesome the Baylor football program was last year. Remember, this is the same clown that stated:

"Baylor actually has the most Big 12 titles and National Championships collectively across sports behind only the University of Texas."

He has spewed nothing but lies and vitriol all over this thread because he has so much contempt for TAMU. It is a shame such a small mind could come out of such a fine institution has Baylor.It would be more civil in here if you didn't post, that is for certain, I'd ask you to make a promise but given the pedigree you hail from what good is a commitment from you.

[Cythim]

Let's see. #20 football team in the country. #9 MBB team in the country. #1 WBB team in the country. Top 10 Men and Women's tennis. Top 10 Softball team. Top 25 baseball team. What am I missing here? Why is Baylor looked at like the little dog? This is 2011, not 1998. Baylor is a force to be reckoned with in athletics now and will be just fine if the Big XII dissolves.

In the mean time your cowardly institution is going to pay big money for betraying it's contract.

Where are you coming up with these rankings? The football ranking is correct, but #9 in men's basketball? Is that some kind of Baylor student poll? You didn't even get a vote for the final Top 25, AP or ESPN, and as far as I can tell no preseason poll is out yet.

#1 in Women's BB? TAMU won the championship and once again no preseason polls are out yet.

Which baseball poll are you looking at? None of them have you in the top 25.

Tennis and softball, congrats! TAMU won the last three national championships in men's and women's outdoor T&F while finishing in the top 5 for indoor T&F.

Stop lying to yourself about how good your school is. You are just in front of OkSt as the 4th best athletic program over the last three years (5th if you count Nebraska). Come back with something real next time.

[Cythim]

It would be more civil in here if you didn't post, that is for certain, I'd ask you to make a promise but given the pedigree you hail from what good is a commitment from you.

It is so nice of you to make assumptions about me. I grew up an Aggie fan but was actually planning on attending Baylor before I joined the military (money and getting out of dodge being the contributing factors). TAMU isn't the place to go if you want an actual education. I've been quite civil, but you have done nothing but hate and lie and forced me to call you out on the garbage you have littered this thread with.

[DIAF]

This thread is a complete waste of time and utter garbage. I feel stupid having read all 4 pages of it.

[Aikbach]

Where are you coming up with these rankings? The football ranking is correct, but #9 in men's basketball? Is that some kind of Baylor student poll? You didn't even get a vote for the final Top 25, AP or ESPN, and as far as I can tell no preseason poll is out yet.

#1 in Women's BB? TAMU won the championship and once again no preseason polls are out yet.

Which baseball poll are you looking at? None of them have you in the top 25.

Tennis and softball, congrats! TAMU won the last three national championships in men's and women's outdoor T&F while finishing in the top 5 for indoor T&F.

Stop lying to yourself about how good your school is. You are just in front of OkSt as the 4th best athletic program over the last three years (5th if you count Nebraska). Come back with something real next time.Lol, you truly are obsessed with comparing yourself to Baylor, can't simply let achievements speak for themselves. Relax, sports are supposed to be fun.

Any goading I've done is in response to your asinine attitude, once again witnessed in your above remarks, despite a quick scan of multiple reputable websites will clarify ranks despite your claim that it's otherwise.

This is why people dislike A&M, they are constantly trying to compare themselves to others and demean others instead of just being themselves and comfortable in their own skin.

If A&M was comfortable with it's position and performance it would be content to stay in the Big 12 South, because it thinks it has something to prove it has sought to leave despite a commitment to the other.

Like I said from the very beginning dumping on Baylor won't promote A&M nor vice versa.

But I'm not the one trying to demean others to build myself up, I'm comfortable with what Baylor is and isn't. it's not a state school, it's not going to be a consistent BCS favorite because of that limitation, but it is a contender and it's fortunes aren't soured or bettered by Texas A&M's. successes or failures unless it's a head to head contest.

Politics are at work and because of existing contracts A&M will have to pay a bunch of money for not staying the course, all there is to it, nothing conspiring against them.

[Cythim]

Lol, you truly are obsessed with comparing yourself to Baylor, can't simply let achievements speak for themselves. Relax, sports are supposed to be fun.

Any goading I've done is in response to your asinine attitude, once again witnessed in your above remarks, despite a quick scan of multiple reputable websites will clarify ranks despite your claim that it's otherwise.

This is why people dislike A&M, they are constantly trying to compare themselves to others and demean others instead of just being themselves and comfortable in their own skin.

If A&M was comfortable with it's position and performance it would be content to stay in the Big 12 South, because it thinks it has something to prove it has sought to leave despite a commitment to the other.

Like I said from the very beginning dumping on Baylor won't promote A&M nor vice versa.

But I'm not the one trying to demean others to build myself up, I'm comfortable with what Baylor is and isn't. it's not a state school, it's not going to be a consistent BCS favorite because of that limitation, but it is a contender and it's fortunes aren't soured or bettered by Texas A&M's. successes or failures unless it's a head to head contest.

Politics are at work and because of existing contracts A&M will have to pay a bunch of money for not staying the course, all there is to it, nothing conspiring against them.

I'm going to skip past the hypocritical slander and get straight to the BS. Which reputible websites have your men's BB program ranked #9? You were 8th in the Big 12 last year and didn't play in any of the post season tournaments. Your program was on the rise until that whole 2003 fiasco and has done a remarkable job of bouncing back (thankfully you didn't get the death penalty). You had a good 2010 tournament but that doesn't put your program at #9. The polls you are aluding to must be preseason polls, but where are they?

And this isn't about knocking on your program, I like to see all Texas schools perform well. I am sticking to the facts and the polls that are provided by ncaa.com. This is about exposing you as someone who has no clue what he is talking about.

[Aikbach]

Kansas, Kansas St. want to join suit possibly and Texas Tech also refused waiver, Beebe screwed up with his claim as half of the schools have not signed a waiver, much money will be owed:

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/07/other-big-12-schools-to-join-baylor-in-legal-action/

[The30YardSlant]

A&M has some fine programs, law not being among them and here it shows, enter the school known for producing doctors and lawyers and calling them out.

Only three undergrad schools in the entire nation produce more lawyers annually than Texas A&M. The fact that we don't have a law school is irrelevant because so many people loyal to A&M become lawyers. There are currently more licensed lawyers who completed their undergrad at A&M than the entire number of students Baylor has graduated in the last 10 years. That's what happens when your living alumni base numbers nearly half a million.

[The30YardSlant]

http://outkickthecoverage.com/why-baylors-claims-against-the-sec-have-no-merit.php

[Aikbach]

Only three undergrad schools in the entire nation produce more lawyers annually than Texas A&M. The fact that we don't have a law school is irrelevant because so many people loyal to A&M become lawyers. There are currently more licensed lawyers who completed their undergrad at A&M than the entire number of students Baylor has graduated in the last 10 years. That's what happens when your living alumni base numbers nearly half a million.So you emphasize quantity over quality, big whoop, literally since you're an aggie. Baylor is nationally renowned for it's law school and has more kids pass the bar the first try than any other Texas school. But as for aggie lawyers educated at other law schools, better call on them because now reports say 8 of the 9 remaining teams are ganging up, better hope Ken Starr doesn't treat aggie administration like Bill Clinton:
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6939017/texas-aggies-accepted-sec-legal-threat-delays-move

[Aikbach]

http://outkickthecoverage.com/why-baylors-claims-against-the-sec-have-no-merit.phpLol, what kind of news source is this? I can point to SI, Sporting news and ESPN articles PRAISING Baylor, so good luck with this fringe article as some sort of vindication.

[joseephuss]

Worst case scenario, we pay no more than the $9 million Colorado and Nebraska paid (none of which was actually their money anyway, simply forfeited TV revenue). The more likely scenario is that we leave, OU, Okie State, Tech and Texas immediately bolt fot the PAC, Kansas leaves for the Big East soon, the Big XII dissolves and nobody pays anything as there is no longer a conference to collect. Also, as soon as the conference number drops below 8 the TV contract becomes null and void and nobody has any claim to lost TV revenue.

In other words, no matter what we won't be writing anyone a check. We may simply leave a chunk of our $20 million in TV revenue for this season to be split amongst the remaining conference members.

And that is why Baylor is doing it. If they do nothing, they get nothing. Now they may get something. Maybe not the maximum amount, but something. They know they can't stop the move.

[Rogah]

Well what's so amusing about A&M is the premise of their fanbase for justifying the negation of the their contract is that the Longhorns have a network and that makes it void. I have no idea what the specifics of their contract says but these lawsuits have a tendency to go away once a little money is thrown at the situation. Obviously, leaving a conference is something which teams are allowed to do since Nebraska did precisely that over the past year. Yes, A&M may have to fork over some dough, or maybe wait until a couple contractual obligations run out, but if it is something they really want, they really can't be stopped permanently.
If A&M were genuinely concerned about other schools having revenue slighted from them by the Longhorn network then they wouldn't actively lobby the Texas legislator to keep them grandfathered in an archaic piece of legislation that only gives oil revenue to UT and A&M and not a single dime to any other state school such as Texas Tech or Texas State or any other portion of the UT system, for some reason they don't have a problem with keeping that revenue from being shared evenly.A&M, just like every single other school, isn't concerned about crap except what is in their own best interest. Nobody holds the high moral ground here; they're all equally sleazy - although Texas is certainly adopting a stance which makes them act as if they are the first among equals. I don't blame other members of the Big XII for being a bit perturbed.