Manning undergoes cervical fusion surgery, out 2-3 months

[StevenOtero]

Florio told you an hour ago that Peyton Manning’s surgery could happen as early as Thursday. We can now tell you that surgery is complete.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/08/manning-undergoes-cervical-fusion-surgery-out-2-3-months/

[DallasEast]

whoa.

[Doomsday]

He is going to be done for the season, I bet. It is too bad, I really enjoy watching him do his thing.

[Dallas]

Get well Mr. Manning. Hope to see you back in the saddle again real soon.

:starspin :starspin :starspin :starspin :starspin

[JustDezIt]

maybe they decided for him to take a year off so they could beat out the skins in the suck for luck race

[Doomsday101]

I hope the Colts understand this is not an excuse. :laugh2:

[DallasEast]

Makes me wonder if MasterCard cares if any of his old "just rub some dirt on it" commercials will be airing during his injured hiatus.

[Risen Star]

And the 2011 season got a whole lot less interesting.

[Hostile]

I would walk away if I were in his shoes. I am dead serious. Screw the records. Go play golf.

Best QB I ever saw hands down.

[StevenOtero]

I would walk away if I were in his shoes. I am dead serious. Screw the records. Go play golf.

Best QB I ever saw hands down.Yeah, I tend to agree with this. He's even got himself a ring!

[SDogo]

I would walk away if I were in his shoes. I am dead serious. Screw the records. Go play golf.

Best QB I ever saw hands down.

Agree 100%, no one and I mean no one could control a game at the line of scrimmage like he does.

[SDCowboy85]

If he is having cervical fusions done to his neck, he's done. It would greatly reduce his ability just to survey the field.

[jobberone]

Must have been pretty aggravating symptoms and signs to make him do this.

[VThokie7]

Should be interesting to see what happens, with the fact he needs the second surgery there is obviously some risk he'll never play again.

And then the Colts have a 28 million option pick up on him for 2012. If he does decide to hang it up, it will be interesting to see what comes of their cap situation.

[tupperware]

This sucks having our starting QB out 2/3 months..

Oh well, Romo will have to step his game up.

[SDCowboy85]

I would walk away if I were in his shoes. I am dead serious. Screw the records. Go play golf.

Best QB I ever saw hands down.

I said yesterday that he should just retire. He's go the ring, he's a HOFer, and he's so wealthy the next 10 generations of Manning will never work a day in their lives. No reason to step back on the field for him.

[StevenOtero]

Here are the details: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6944302/indianapolis-colts-peyton-manning-surgery-neck-sources-say

[Sam I Am]

http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/peytongettysep1-e1315245809207.jpg

I would rub some dirt on it, but Lucus Oil Stadium has FieldTurf!

[boysfanindc]

Sad to see this happen to a warrior like Peyton, I hate to say it, but I would not be the least bit surprised if he was done.

What a shame, the NFL would miss him greatly.

[Everlastingxxx]

Texans have to take advantage. Now is their time. Huge loss for the Colts but surely they saw this coming weeks ago? You don’t fool around with the neck bones.

[DallasEast]

This sucks having our starting QB out 2/3 months..

Oh well, Romo will have to step his game up.
I see what you did there. ;)

[jobberone]

Agree 100%, no one and I mean no one could control a game at the line of scrimmage like he does.

Johnny Unitas only one better at calling and managing a game.

[tupperware]

I see what you did there. ;)
I mean, yeah the guy is great but put the threads in the right freaking place!

The offseason is officially over today!

[StevenOtero]

Colts: Just tank the season so you can draft Andrew Luck or hell even Landry Jones (played against him at a 7-on-7 tournament in the summer) he darn near broke my pinky and I could barely tip his pass.

I'd really like to see Landry Jones with Dallas. ...he's even got the right name to suit both crowds here on The Zone. :P

[InmanRoshi]

If Houston can't win that division this year, they just need to fold the franchise. It's a lost cause.

[Eskimo]

I would walk away if I were in his shoes. I am dead serious. Screw the records. Go play golf.

Best QB I ever saw hands down.

I thought that this is where things were headed.

However, I think Payton is thinking about a return to play as he otherwise probably would have chosen an artificial disc replacement.

Nevertheless, I think Payton's best choice here is retirement after recovering from surgery. It typically takes a long time to recover from this surgery so he will have a year to think about it.

[DallasEast]

If Houston can't win that division this year, they just need to fold the franchise. It's a lost cause.
You're speaking the gospel unless the Texans suffers some significant injuries this season.

[StevenOtero]

As previously stated on Monday, Sept. 5th, Peyton Manning has undergone further testing and consultation with several specialists regarding his rehabilitation. The results of these tests and the consensus of the consultations was that further surgery was warranted. Peyton has undergone this surgery today by having a single level anterior fusion. The surgery was un-eventful.

This procedure is performed regularly throughout the country on persons from all walks of life, including professional football players. Two former Colts players had this same procedure last winter and have fully resumed their careers. Rehabilitation from such surgery is typically an involved process. Therefore, there will be no estimation of a return date at this time. We will keep Peyton on the active roster until we have a clearer picture of his recovery process.

Peyton will immediately begin the rehabilitation regimen mapped out by the surgeon. We anticipate no further updates or availabilities beyond those required by the NFL Media Policy for the immediate future.

Thank you for your consideration.

http://www.colts.com/news-and-events/article-1/COLTS-STATEMENT-ON-PEYTON-MANNING/1e78b82f-bbd8-426c-8edf-f8ef4073cad4

[AbeBeta]

He is going to be done for the season, I bet. It is too bad, I really enjoy watching him do his thing.

I don't like him. But he is one of the best QBs I've ever seen

[SDCowboy85]

I wonder how they handle this. They probably won't put Peyton on IR until the last day possible to avoid that overshadowing the season. Likewise if he's planning on retiring.

[bbgun]

Eli is suddenly the best Manning in the league.

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9898/elidrunk2copy9xj.jpg

[Rack Bauer]

I said yesterday that he should just retire. He's go the ring, he's a HOFer, and he's so wealthy the next 10 generations of Manning will never work a day in their lives. No reason to step back on the field for him.

Love of the game is a pretty good reason.

[Bowdown27]

Texans will win that division. They have all the parts ready to win especially there defense with there awesome dc......wait a minute Lol

[StevenOtero]

I don't like him. But he is one of the best QBs I've ever seenCouldn't agree more!

[StevenOtero]

Eli is suddenly the best Manning in the league.

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9898/elidrunk2copy9xj.jpg:lmao:

[SDCowboy85]

Love of the game is a pretty good reason.

That's great in the movies. Not worth the risk of spending the rest of your life in a wheelchair in real life.

[DallasEast]

That's great in the movies. Not worth the risk of spending the rest of your life in a wheelchair in real life.
That's a good counter-argument, but the fact remains that every single player who sets foot on the field is in danger of a life-altering or even life-threatening injury.

[adbutcher]

I would walk away if I were in his shoes. I am dead serious. Screw the records. Go play golf.

Best QB I ever saw hands down.

For real, he won't be able to play with his kids when he gets older. I love football but it ain't good for the body at all. People that trivialize football injuries really don't have a clue.

[Doomsday101]

That's great in the movies. Not worth the risk of spending the rest of your life in a wheelchair in real life.

It is a choice each man makes. They all know the risk they run. I did see this procedure has been done with others who were able to continue to play.

[SDCowboy85]

That's a good counter-argument, but the fact remains that every single player who sets foot on the field is in danger of a life-altering or even life-threatening injury.

True, but this would be pushing his luck. He's not fighting for his career out there any longer.

[tomson75]

It's only a matter of time before Eli plays sloppy seconds to his brother with this too......he'll have his cervix fused within the year.

[SDCowboy85]

It's only a matter of time before Eli plays sloppy seconds to his brother with this too......he'll have his cervix fused within the year.

:lmao:

[Doomsday101]

For real, he won't be able to play with his kids when he gets older. I love football but it ain't good for the body at all. People that trivialize football injuries really don't have a clue.

I would not make it trivial but in the end it is his choice and I'm sure the doctors will make him fully aware of any risk he may face in regards to this procedure.

I think some do make have a trivial view point of injuries but I also think some make trivial of the love of the game some players have.

They have known this life since pop warner every year getting ready to play the game, it is not always easy to walk away from it

[Danny White]

That's karma for you... I hear he's a real jerk:

b_3pPAuE0jw

[DallasEast]

True, but this would be pushing his luck. He's not fighting for his career out there any longer.
I'm not really arguing the point, but luck in football is relative. What's considered a routine play in this sport (at any level) is significantly more dangerous than in any other sport.

In baseball, two outfielders may run head first into each and one of them may suffer a broken neck. That's a freak injury in their sport, but a routine tackle can leave a perfectly healthy player paralyzed for life. Example, just ask Dennis Byrd.

[SDCowboy85]

I would not make it trivial but in the end it is his choice and I'm sure the doctors will make him fully aware of any risk he may face in regards to this procedure.

I think some do make have a trivial view point of injuries but I also think some make trivial of the love of the game some players have.

They have known this life since pop warner every year getting ready to play the game, it is not always easy to walk away from it

Well it may not be his choice. Part of his neck is now fused. If he's unable to play or play well, he'll be released.

[StevenOtero]

I would walk away if I were in his shoes. I am dead serious. Screw the records. Go play golf.

Best QB I ever saw hands down.

Agree 100%, no one and I mean no one could control a game at the line of scrimmage like he does.

Johnny Unitas only one better at calling and managing a game.

I don't like him. But he is one of the best QBs I've ever seenU_U8XOndJI0

No, I'm sorry folks. Aikman is the best QB I've ever seen. He never choked in the Super Bowl either.

Take away the concussions and who knows how much further he could have gone.

[dalboy]

there going to end up getting luck and put him on the bench for 4 years just like packers did to rodgers

[Rack Bauer]

That's great in the movies. Not worth the risk of spending the rest of your life in a wheelchair in real life.

I played semi-pro ball till I was 35. I have multi-lvl disk and joint degeneration in my back, arthritis and a bulging disk in my lower back, one of my disks is protruding into a nerve that runs down my spine causing my left leg to go completely numb when I run. I have Gout, arthritis in both knees and recently had a bone fused in my left foot due to the Gout destroying the joint.

If I knew then what I know now would I still play till I was 35? You bet your *** I would.

[Everlastingxxx]

No, I'm sorry folks. Aikman is the best QB I've ever seen. He never choked in the Super Bowl either.

Take away the concussions and who knows how much further he could have gone.

I’d go with Joe Montana. Tom Brady second.

[Hoofbite]

Well it may not be his choice. Part of his neck is now fused. If he's unable to play or play well, he'll be released.

Doubt he'll be released.

He'd have to slip so far that he'd likely retire before forcing the team to eat like 50M in bonus money.

[AmarilloCowboyFan]

2-3 months for cervical fusion? That is being generous.

I doubt he plays at all this season and probably shouldn't again.

[StevenOtero]

I’d go with Joe Montana. Tom Brady second.To each his own :rolleyes:

[Doomsday101]

Well it may not be his choice. Part of his neck is now fused. If he's unable to play or play well, he'll be released.

I'm sure Manning will be informed but 1st off this has been done before even on the colts team and players have returned from it.

This procedure is performed regularly throughout the country on persons from all walks of life, including professional football players. Two former Colts players had this same procedure last winter and have fully resumed their careers. Rehabilitation from such surgery is typically an involved process. Therefore, there will be no estimation of a return date at this time. We will keep Peyton on the active roster until we have a clearer picture of his recovery process.

http://www.colts.com/news-and-events/article-1/COLTS-STATEMENT-ON-PEYTON-MANNING/1e78b82f-bbd8-426c-8edf-f8ef4073cad4

[SDCowboy85]

Doubt he'll be released.

He'd have to slip so far that he'd likely retire before forcing the team to eat like 50M in bonus money.
That's what I mean. If he's trying to go out there and he can no longer play and play well, there's no way they are going to keep him around at what they are paying him. Maybe they'd ask him to retire.

[Hoofbite]

No, I'm sorry folks. Aikman is the best QB I've ever seen. He never choked in the Super Bowl either.

Take away the concussions and who knows how much further he could have gone.

Take away Peyton's neck and who knows what he does this season or in the future.

I like Aikman the player (not the biggest fan of him as a commentator but coming around. He used to piss me off with his attitude toward Cowboy QBs) but he is not deserving of being called the best QB ever.

[StevenOtero]

I'm sure Manning will be informed but 1st off this has been done before even on the colts team and players have returned from it.

This procedure is performed regularly throughout the country on persons from all walks of life, including professional football players. Two former Colts players had this same procedure last winter and have fully resumed their careers. Rehabilitation from such surgery is typically an involved process. Therefore, there will be no estimation of a return date at this time. We will keep Peyton on the active roster until we have a clearer picture of his recovery process.

http://www.colts.com/news-and-events/article-1/COLTS-STATEMENT-ON-PEYTON-MANNING/1e78b82f-bbd8-426c-8edf-f8ef4073cad4Hey, hey, hey! http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4093730&postcount=29

[tomson75]

That's karma for you... I hear he's a real jerk:

b_3pPAuE0jw

Lmao...that's awesome. I have real hard time disliking Peyton Manning. I think he's funny as hell. Pretty good QB too.

[Hoofbite]

That's what I mean. If he's trying to go out there and he can no longer play and play well, there's no way they are going to keep him around at what they are paying him. Maybe they'd ask him to retire.

But you can't just cut a guy who recently signed 50M in bonus money.

Accelerate all that bonus money? What would that be, 40 Million cap hit?

[DallasEast]

If Peyton Manning does decide that the risk is not career ending, it's going to greatly modify his pre-snap and post-snap body language. He has some of the best footwork of any quarterback that has played the game.

If his neck has been rendered mostly immobile, he will have to adjust. That would mean that he would re-situate his feet in the direction he's surveying where the ball should be delivered.

That will integrate a more hops and skips into his footwork than he's used to. And it would reduce his timing quite a bit in my opinion. His throws would still be as accurate, but slower.

[ThreeSportStar80]

Oh no... That is definitely NOT good. Once you starting having neck surgeries it's a WRAP. Cervical fusion???? Yeah I wouldn't play football again.

[SDCowboy85]

But you can't just cut a guy who recently signed 50M in bonus money.

Accelerate all that bonus money? What would that be, 40 Million cap hit?

If he's unable to play, what are you going to do? Put him out there anyway and tank the next few seasons?

[Doomsday101]

Hey, hey, hey! http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4093730&postcount=29

Thanks for posting it. It seems to me we have as many pretend doctors as we do lawyers and honestly unless you are treating Manning then any comments is nothing more than a guess.

I'm sure Manning is seeing the best in the business and they will give him their professional opinions on what he needs to do.

[StevenOtero]

You sick piece of trash. I hope something like this happens to you.:lmao2: You obviously don't know how to read sarcasm. So, thanks for wishing that on me. I've only gone through some of the worst times in my life in the past few months.

If it does happen to me, maybe I can join my Dad in the afterlife who died at the age of 46 only a few short months ago.

How do you feel now *******?

[jblaze2004]

Lmao...that's awesome. I have real hard time disliking Peyton Manning. I think he's funny as hell. Pretty good QB too.
yeah i love the p manning commercials. He is a funny guy.

[zack]

Career is done, unfortunately.....

[TheCount]

You sick piece of trash. I hope something like this happens to you.

Manning's life isn't in danger. He could quit football now, never work another day in his life and still live like a king, with a lifelong legacy as one of the best (if not the best) to ever play the most important position in football.

On the other hand, you just wished a painful spinal injury on a complete stranger, so pot meet kettle.

[CowboyStar88]

That's karma for you... I hear he's a real jerk:

b_3pPAuE0jw

That is so funny

[wileedog]

If he's unable to play, what are you going to do? Put him out there anyway and tank the next few seasons?

If he can't play they will put him on the PUP list. Hoof's right they can't take a cap hit like that.

[ROUSH8692]

:lmao2: You obviously don't know how to read sarcasm. So, thanks for wishing that on me. I've only gone through some of the worst times in my life in the past few months.

If it does happen to me, maybe I can join my Dad in the afterlife who died at the age of 46 only a few short months ago.

How do you feel now *******?

oh im so sorry... youre right.

that does give you the right to say what you said...

:sarcasm:

[StevenOtero]

oh im so sorry... youre right.

that does give you the right to say what you said...

:sarcasm::rolleyes: Yeah, well I didn't mean it the way you seem to think I meant it. You can't seem to comprehend that.

[CowboyStar88]

U_U8XOndJI0

No, I'm sorry folks. Aikman is the best QB I've ever seen. He never choked in the Super Bowl either.

Take away the concussions and who knows how much further he could have gone.

What an awesome video and I don't think they could've chosen a better person to present this.

[iceberg]

I would walk away if I were in his shoes. I am dead serious. Screw the records. Go play golf.

Best QB I ever saw hands down.

i don't know what he has left to prove. love of the game is good and all and yea, it would SUCK for him to adjust to the "life after" but its easier to do when you can walk i'm sure.

good luck payton - and take care of yourself.

[Hoofbite]

HnxDlSTCznA

Well, if you're interested here is a video of the procedure with commentary by the doctor.

[Hoofbite]

If he's unable to play, what are you going to do? Put him out there anyway and tank the next few seasons?

Then he'd retire.

They aren't just going to cut him.

[ChldsPlay]

If Peyton Manning does decide that the risk is not career ending, it's going to greatly modify his pre-snap and post-snap body language. He has some of the best footwork of any quarterback that has played the game.

If his neck has been rendered mostly immobile, he will have to adjust. That would mean that he would re-situate his feet in the direction he's surveying where the ball should be delivered.

That will integrate a more hops and skips into his footwork than he's used to. And it would reduce his timing quite a bit in my opinion. His throws would still be as accurate, but slower.

A single level fusion isn't going to limit the movement of his neck to the point where it's mostly immobile. There will be some effect, but not that extreme.

[jobberone]

That's great in the movies. Not worth the risk of spending the rest of your life in a wheelchair in real life.

Unless he's got some unusual problem or cervical stenosis then he's not really at greater risk of paralysis. Knocking his hardware around is but still not a great risk.

[CowboyStar88]

HnxDlSTCznA

Well, if you're interested here is a video of the procedure with commentary by the doctor.

That is amazing, and I am about to face that with my back.

[jobberone]

A single level fusion isn't going to limit the movement of his neck to the point where it's mostly immobile. There will be some effect, but not that extreme.

Right. Should be only a small amount of decreased flexion which will not affect his career.

[Hoofbite]

Steve Slaton had this a while back.

[Hoofbite]

This is taken from a comparison of surgery vs. non surgery as a means of treatment.

A total of 99 NFL athletes met the inclusion criteria. In the operative group, on average, 38 of 53 (72%) players successfully returned to play for 29 games over a 2.8-year period, which was significantly greater than that of the nonoperative group, in which only 21 of 46 (46%) players successfully returned to the field to play after treatment for 15 games over a 1.5-year period (P < 0.04).
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/741729

The more I read about it, the more I think he will play again.

[bbgun]

Hard to believe that he and Ryan Leaf were once neck and neck (excuse the pun) for the top overall pick.

[Hoofbite]

Titi Ortiz had this as well.

hLAiMFbSxCA

His actual surgery is in the video. Pretty crazy.

[Hostile]

Hard to believe that he and Ryan Leaf were once neck and neck (excuse the pun) for the top overall pick.My friends here in Tucson thought I was nuts. I predicted Leaf was going to be a huge bust and Manning was going to assume the mantel of best QB in the NFL.

I am in Pac 10 country, and I am a homer, but Leaf was not good.

[5Stars]

I played semi-pro ball till I was 35. I have multi-lvl disk and joint degeneration in my back, arthritis and a bulging disk in my lower back, one of my disks is protruding into a nerve that runs down my spine causing my left leg to go completely numb when I run. I have Gout, arthritis in both knees and recently had a bone fused in my left foot due to the Gout destroying the joint.

If I knew then what I know now would I still play till I was 35? You bet your *** I would.

And they still let you in the Army?


:eek:

[Novacek84]

I would walk away if I were in his shoes. I am dead serious. Screw the records. Go play golf.

Best QB I ever saw hands down.

Any time you are talking neck injury that is a real possibility. A real shame because without Peyton Manning the NFL is not at it's 100 percent best. You always want the best players playing.

[Doomsday101]

Hard to believe that he and Ryan Leaf were once neck and neck (excuse the pun) for the top overall pick.

I recall some big debates I had online with who should be picked 1st I was in Manning camp. At that time many claimed Leaf was a no brainer pick and Manning was a choker who never could win the big one. This many years later one will go down as one of the all time greats and the other a major bust.

[joseephuss]

I would walk away if I were in his shoes. I am dead serious. Screw the records. Go play golf.

Best QB I ever saw hands down.

I couldn't disagree more. Golf can put some strain on a person's neck. He needs to find another hobby.

[Doomsday]

http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/peytongettysep1-e1315245809207.jpg

I would rub some dirt on it, but Lucus Oil Stadium has FieldTurf!

He could always whip out the Tussin and rub that on the wound.

[5Stars]

Titi Ortiz had this as well.

hLAiMFbSxCA

His actual surgery is in the video. Pretty crazy.

:eek:

Damn, surgeons are some amazing people.

[CCBoy]

Some really tragic stuff there...and two to three months from now, about does it for Indy. I don't think that Collins does as much as Kitna for the Cowboys last year.

[ChldsPlay]

http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/peytongettysep1-e1315245809207.jpg

I would rub some dirt on it, but Lucus Oil Stadium has FieldTurf!

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[GimmeTheBall!]

I thought cervical fusion surgery was a female procedure.

[InmanRoshi]

I read another board and there is a former NFL player on there who had the same surgery. He went on to play because he was a fringe guy and the doctor told him if his earnings career was only a 2-3 year window it might be worth the risk. Peyton is set for life many times over, has a ring, a first ballot induction into the hall of fame and probably a network/broadcasting job waiting for him. He doesn't need to take any unnecessary risks with things like permanent back/spine/neck damage.

[skinsscalper]

I would walk away if I were in his shoes. I am dead serious. Screw the records. Go play golf.

Best QB I ever saw hands down.

Yep.^^

[burmafrd]

If I had a QB that I could pick to win a SB I would chose Montana over Manning.

[Hoofbite]

I'm going out on a limb (or not, I guess. I don't think it's all that career-threatening) and saying that he plays again.

The doctors, team and Manning knew long ago when he opted for the first surgery that this was a possibility.

Unless he has some massive setback, I think he plays again and at a high level. I think it's possible you could see him later in the year. December maybe.

I found an abstract regarding this procedure on rugby players. Performed on 19 players, this is the result.

Neck and radicular pain were improved in 17 patients, with 13 returning to rugby, the majority by six months after operation. Of these, 13 returned to their pre-operative standard of play, one to a lower level and five have not played rugby again. Two of those who returned to the game have subsequently suffered further symptoms in the neck, one of whom was obliged to retire. The majority of the players with problems in the neck were front row forwards. A return to playing rugby union after surgery and fusion of the anterior cervical spine is both likely and safe and need not end a career in the game.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18450629

If Rugby players can come back and it is deemed safe, a QB in the National Flag-Football League can come back.

[tomson75]

I thought cervical fusion surgery was a female procedure.

Well....Eli will promptly have his cervix fused to keep up with big bro.

So....yeah.

[vlad]

I would walk away if I were in his shoes. I am dead serious. Screw the records. Go play golf.

Best QB I ever saw hands down.

Wow Hos, not a bold statement per se, but bold coming from someone I respect in terms of football knowledge.

Its hard for me to go past Montana, but I may be nostalgic. I wish I would have seen enough of Marino. I just think things were tougher in those days in terms of passing rules I guess.

Though I like Peyton the person (from what I can tell), I've never been as high on him as others. Will be interesting to see how Collins or whomever does in his place.

[Hostile]

Wow Hos, not a bold statement per se, but bold coming from someone I respect in terms of football knowledge.

Its hard for me to go past Montana, but I may be nostalgic. I wish I would have seen enough of Marino. I just think things were tougher in those days in terms of passing rules I guess.

Though I like Peyton the person (from what I can tell), I've never been as high on him as others. Will be interesting to see how Collins or whomever does in his place.I believe teams have been better, but if you tell me Manning would sit on any team or that some other QB would start over him if they were on the Colts I don't see it. The kid is a human computer out there, and it isn't just brains. He has a great arm and is crazy accurate. Those are my pieces for a QB.

I've seen a lot of them over the years, and none have ever just blown me away like he does with his knowledge.

[Hostile]

I believe teams have been better, but if you tell me Manning would sit on any team or that some other QB would start over him if they were on the Colts I don't see it. The kid is a human computer out there, and it isn't just brains. He has a great arm and is crazy accurate. Those are my pieces for a QB.

I've seen a lot of them over the years, and none have ever just blown me away like he does with his knowledge.Another way of saying what I am above. The 49ers lost Montana and didn't miss a beat because they had Young.

Watch the Colts without Manning. I don't care how well Kerry Collins does, they are going to be a shell of what we are used to. Look at their win totals and find me any QB in History who can match those numbers.

[tomson75]

I'm actually shocked that MORE people don't think he's the best QB to play the game. I thought that was the general consensus at this point.

I'd take him over any QB that ever played.

[Don Corleone]

I'm actually shocked that MORE people don't think he's the best QB to play the game. I thought that was the general consensus at this point.

I'd take him over any QB that ever played.

I dunno. I put him up there with the best, but I love the old school QBs of the day. Passing was a lot harder in those days. The rules these days favor QBs and passing. In the old days, you could get pounded as a QB without the benefit of the rules, or the so-called "strike zone" in today's game.

Montana always intrigued me. He wasn't a slam dunk out of the college, didn't audible like crazy at the line of scrimmage, but yet operated like a surgeon when it came to playing QB.

[Chocolate Lab]

Another way of saying what I am above. The 49ers lost Montana and didn't miss a beat because they had Young.Well yeah, Young happened to be a future Hall of Famer himself. If the Niners had Kerry Collins instead, they'd have gone straight into the toilet.