Did we Really go to the Moon? [Archive] - Dallas Cowboys Forum

CowboyMcCoy

09-22-2011, 08:47 PM

Was just about to post the mythbusters videos. These are probably the same people who think 9/11 was an inside job and the planes aren't what brought down the towers. Idiots.

I disagree. Nasa has much more credibility than our government. And the evidence is stacked much more against them than NASA too. Night and day, or oranges and apples as they say.

I don't like conspiracies. But I've seen the mirrors on the moon reflecting lasers beck to earth at the McDonald's observatory.

bbgun

09-22-2011, 09:02 PM

Was just about to post the mythbusters videos. These are probably the same people who think 9/11 was an inside job and the planes aren't what brought down the towers. Idiots.

Such as the OP.

CowboyMcCoy

09-22-2011, 09:06 PM

Such as the OP.

BBgun, I assume you have a personal issue with me. You've been trolling me quite a bit lately. What happened with WG and I was just a one time deal. No biggie, bro. It won't happens again. :D

I'd be honored to be on your ignore list.

bbgun

09-22-2011, 09:11 PM

BBgun, I assume you have a personal issue with me. You've been trolling me quite a bit lately. What happened with WG and I was just a one time deal. No biggie, bro. It won't happens again.

Nah, no personal issue. But you are a Truther. You admitted as much in the 9-11 anniversary thread.

CowboyMcCoy

09-22-2011, 09:20 PM

Great myth busters video. This myth was debunked long ago.

NASA and the National Science Foundation are funding a new facility in New Mexico, the Apache Point Observatory Lunar Laser-ranging Operation or, appropriately, "APOLLO" for short. Using a 3.5-meter telescope with good atmospheric "seeing," researchers there will examine the moon's orbit with millimeter precision, 10 times better than before.
"Who knows what they'll discover?" wonders Alley.[/I]

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/21jul_llr/

Chocolate Lab

09-22-2011, 09:20 PM

I disagree. Nasa has much more credibility than our government.Whoa... And all this time I thought Nasa was part of our government...

;)

CowboyMcCoy

09-22-2011, 09:22 PM

Nah, no personal issue. But you are a Truther. You admitted as much in the 9-11 anniversary thread.

Regarding that issue, I guess you could call me a truther.

Cythim

09-22-2011, 09:29 PM

CowboyMcCoy

09-22-2011, 09:32 PM

Whoa... And all this time I thought Nasa was part of our government...

;)

LOL. I didn't mean to imply that it was a private entity. And indeed it is a part of our government. But it's not like most of them have political interests other than pushing the limits of human knowledge. I doubt you'd find them spending much time on CZ, pondering the game on Monday. That's not to say they're not human. They are and they have families, etc. Most just want money for missions and gathering data.

What we find out there is crucial to ourselves whether Washington admits it or not. Finding out ways to make things work differently key, I think, in saving resources. As much as some facets of groups of people will have you believe we have unlimited resources for our future, it's not true and I'm not suggesting we settle another planet or anything. I just think what they do in terms of comparative planetology and things of that nature is good science. And it has been sort of put off on the back burner as something which is unimportant.

Cythim

09-22-2011, 09:34 PM

LOL. I didn't mean to imply that it was a private entity. And indeed it is a part of our government. But it's not like most of them have political interests other than pushing the limits of human knowledge. I doubt you'd find them spending much time on CZ, pondering the game on Monday. That's not to say they're not human. They are and they have families, etc. Most just want money for missions and gathering data.

What we find out there is crucial to ourselves whether Washington admits it or not. Finding out ways to make things work differently key, I think, in saving resources. As much as some facets of groups people will have you believe we have unlimited resources for our future, it's not true and I'm not suggesting we settle another planet or anything. I just think what they do in terms of comparative planetology and things of that nature is good science. And it has been sort of put off on the back burner as something which is unimportant.

NASA does have political interests, they do what the President tells them to do. NASA was a huge part of the Cold War and landing on the moon before Russia did was a huge deal.

CowboyMcCoy

09-22-2011, 09:37 PM

NASA does have political interests, they do what the President tells them to do. NASA was a huge part of the Cold War and landing on the moon before Russia did was a huge deal.

Yeah, there was a space race. And that's one of the main reason for the conspiracy theory. But I disagree wholeheartedly. We just happened to be pushing the brink of technology at the time and we were both flexing our muscles. There is still some humorous animosity between American and Russian astronauts and astrophysicists, but it's all in good fun and really nothing personal or political now. But yeah, NASA does what the government tells them to do because that's who funds them.

Chocolate Lab

09-22-2011, 09:38 PM

NASA does have political interests, they do what the President tells them to do. NASA was a huge part of the Cold War and landing on the moon before Russia did was a huge deal.

No doubt.

And I was just kiddin' ya, Ben. I knew what you meant. :)

CowboyMcCoy

09-22-2011, 09:43 PM

No doubt.

And I was just kiddin' ya, Ben. I knew what you meant. :)

I was just clarifying. No argument really. I wrote something that didn't make sense. LOL

Cythim

09-22-2011, 09:44 PM

Nah, no personal issue. But you are a Truther. You admitted as much in the 9-11 anniversary thread.

And here I was thinking Popular Mechanics took care of all of those people

Teren_Kanan

09-22-2011, 09:45 PM

My post was deleted!!!!!!

CONSPIRACY!

CowboyMcCoy

09-22-2011, 09:50 PM

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I found this on youtube... it's the most convincing evidence I've seen.

tupperware

09-22-2011, 10:09 PM

But like, if we're to believe NASA was powerful enough to fake a moon landing in the first place, don't we think they could own a show such as myth busters and the equipment and results reported?

Just saying..

CowboyMcCoy

09-22-2011, 10:12 PM

urface59

09-22-2011, 10:35 PM

Yeah we did. Doesn't mean there isn't a conspiracy behind it though...

http://geek.thinkunique.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/dr-manhattan-armstrong.jpg

Cythim

09-22-2011, 10:37 PM

We can land equipment, including reflectors, on the moon without landing people on the moon. The presence of a reflector does not prove Apollo 11 landed there.

I do, however, believe they did.

Cythim

09-22-2011, 10:39 PM

Yeah we did. Doesn't mean there isn't a conspiracy behind it though...

http://geek.thinkunique.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/dr-manhattan-armstrong.jpg

That is awesome!

ninja

09-22-2011, 10:58 PM

There was just some video a while ago that showed the vehicle still there and the tracks still visible on the moon.

Oh, yeah, they got there. And what did they do while they were there? Collected a few rocks, hit a golfball, and put a flag there. That's it.:)

Although, what else are you going to do on the moon? Pretty boring place, if you ask me. So, what would you do on the moon, given the chance?

MonsterD

09-22-2011, 11:10 PM

Yeah we did. Doesn't mean there isn't a conspiracy behind it though...

http://geek.thinkunique.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/dr-manhattan-armstrong.jpg (http://geek.thinkunique.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/dr-manhattan-armstrong.jpg)

Is that Seth, or Dr. Manhattan?

Hostile

09-22-2011, 11:19 PM

My grandpa went to his grave believing it was a hoax because he had been duped by the Orson Welles' "War of the World's" broadcast.

In our day and age we should know better about silly conspiracy theories but we don't so I will simply say put a Tom Selleck mustache (http://wimp.com/tomselleck/) on it and call it good.

cowboyeric8

09-22-2011, 11:20 PM

Such as the OP.

Wow is simply all I can say. Can't believe I know of one now. I go back to my last statement.

CowboyMcCoy

09-22-2011, 11:55 PM

Wow is simply all I can say. Can't believe I know of one now. I go back to my last statement.

I feel exactly the opposite. I'm OK with that. But I wasn't sheltered. So I already knew there were plenty of you guys, especially on this board. But I think someone posted a political discussion/form link...maybe we should visit it so we can actually talk about it rather than take snide, pot shots...

Wows, aws, and stuff like that is the easy way out. There's no discussion, so no thinking involved. Sadly, I think that's 99% of the problem. But hey, chalk it up to human nature, I guess.

Welles was right on about some things.

SaltwaterServr

09-22-2011, 11:55 PM

Yeah we did. Doesn't mean there isn't a conspiracy behind it though...

http://geek.thinkunique.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/dr-manhattan-armstrong.jpg

Good luck Mr. Gorsky.

Wow is simply all I can say. Can't believe I know of one now. I go back to my last statement.

The last word of it sums it up nicely. No need for a discussion with the flat Earth Society members either, just let them assume no one saw hundreds of workers laying in thousands of charges to bring down a building of that size.

CowboyMcCoy

09-23-2011, 12:04 AM

My grandpa went to his grave believing it was a hoax because he had been duped by the Orson Welles' "War of the World's" broadcast.

Rest his soul my friend. But you gotta admit, Orson Welles had great style and he was before his time and whether you believe certain things nowadays because of how things happened or not, he still put some things in perspective especially if you really analyze his literature. I read 1984 in a class, but it was the only one by him on the reading list. I love that book even though the fictional aspect is a bit charged, so to speak.

In our day and age we should know better about silly conspiracy theories but we don't so I will simply say put a Tom Selleck mustache (http://wimp.com/tomselleck/) on it and call it good.

One thing in philosophy, and the most important thing in philosophy, is that we know every generation proves the last wrong in many ways because of our innate desire to push the limits of what we know about the world.

The hoax made sense, but we have evidence to prove otherwise.

kristie

09-23-2011, 12:18 AM

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Hoofbite

09-23-2011, 12:35 AM

Regarding that issue, I guess you could call me a truther.

Which means you are more likely to believe other BS conspiracies as well.

CowboyMcCoy

09-23-2011, 01:06 AM

Which means you are more likely to believe other BS conspiracies as well.

Or maybe you consume what the media tells you more than you should.

The Emperor

09-23-2011, 01:22 AM

Nice effort, CowboyMcCoy, but I think the best conspiracy theory-type thread that I've seen here is the JFK assassination thread. That one was fascinating, especially notherbob's first hand accounts.

CliffnMesquite

09-23-2011, 01:25 AM

Yes we did. And anyone who thinks we didn't is a loon.

CowboyMcCoy

09-23-2011, 01:46 AM

Nice effort, CowboyMcCoy, but I think the best conspiracy theory-type thread that I've seen here is the JFK assassination thread. That one was fascinating, especially notherbob's first hand accounts.

That is interesting; I have stood on a street corner in Dallas one night after a day game and it was literally a candle-lit setting with a small crowd and a guy was giving a good account of the historical events that occurred and telling stories right in front of where Lee Harvey Oswald allegedly shot him from. He was selling a video and I ended up buying it, which was pretty good and he's actually in it. 'Twas some history guy who seemed to know at least both sides of the JFK conspiracy. Eh, I think it the DVD was 10 or 15 bucks, so it was worth it.

And notherbob is one of my favorite guys to read on here. He's got a pretty cool perspective on things usually, but I think he's been busy with his crops.

The30YardSlant

09-23-2011, 05:32 AM

I disagree. Nasa has much more credibility than our government. And the evidence is stacked much more against them than NASA too. Night and day, or oranges and apples as they say.

I don't like conspiracies. But I've seen the mirrors on the moon reflecting lasers beck to earth at the McDonald's observatory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA

The National Aeronautics and Space Administration is an executive branch agency of the United States government

It dissapoints me how little the average American knows about...well anything really, but mostly our government. It should come as no surprise really that 9/11 and moon "truthers" exist, because after all it is way easier to watch conspiracy videos on youtube than it is to read a book or pay attention in high school government. Paying attention in physics and chemistry would have helped as well, as even a basic knowledge of the sciences can debunk 98% of all conspiracy theories regarding the moon and 9/11. For instance, people think 9/11 had to be an inside job because jet fuel doesnt burn hot enough to melt steel, and people think the moon landing was a hoax because there are no stars in any of the photos. Only an uneducated mind is capable of buying into such nonsense.

Illini88228

09-23-2011, 07:16 AM

Rest his soul my friend. But you gotta admit, Orson Welles had great style and he was before his time and whether you believe certain things nowadays because of how things happened or not, he still put some things in perspective especially if you really analyze his literature. I read 1984 in a class, but it was the only one by him on the reading list. I love that book even though the fictional aspect is a bit charged, so to speak.

Umm... You're talking about George Orwell (real name Eric Blair) who wrote 1984, Animal Farm, and several other books.

Orson Welles was the actor/director behind Citizen Kane, and a famous radio broadcast of War of the Worlds which duped some people into believing that it was real.

Two entirely different people.

Sam I Am

09-23-2011, 07:55 AM

Guys. Swiss cheese isn't really from Switzerland. Conspiracy theorist claimed it was from Switzerland because they didn't believe it was actually from the moon. :rolleyes:

BrAinPaiNt

09-23-2011, 08:02 AM

Guys. Swiss cheese isn't really from Switzerland. Conspiracy theorist claimed it was from Switzerland because they didn't believe it was actually from the moon. :rolleyes:

I think your theory is full of holes.

Bada Bing
Thanks...I'll be here all week, try the veal.

zrinkill

09-23-2011, 08:05 AM

:laugh2:

I love Conspiracy Nuts.

Nellis Air Force Base is a cool place by the way. They have a great break room.

ConcordCowboy

09-23-2011, 09:56 AM

Some good reading.

http://www.clavius.org/

http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm

zrinkill

09-23-2011, 10:15 AM

Some good reading.

That guy explains it perfectly.

Why do people believe this stuff?

I have come to categorize the hoax believers into two generalized types: the Confused and the Hardcore.

The Confused are average people who have seen or heard the claims of the hoax advocates on TV, the Internet, or from friends and associates. They usually lack the scientific knowledge or experience necessary to dispute the claims, so they begin to doubt the authenticity of the moon landings.

The Hardcore, on the other hand, are a completely different type of personality. They almost always exhibit strong paranoid tendencies with an extreme distrust and hatred of the U.S. government. Rather than allowing the evidence to speak for itself, they will often begin by assuming a hoax and then search for evidence to support that preconception. When they see something that looks suspicious they immediately accept it as proof of their belief. When someone attempts to offer an alternate explanation they dismiss it as a NASA lie. Any evidence that contradicts their belief is described as an attempt by the government to deceive us. They will say that anyone who believes in the moon landings has been brainwashed or is in denial. They are usually argumentative and often hostile.

The Hardcore also tend to be completely close-minded, refusing to consider alternate possibilities. I have often debated with hardcore individuals over various hoax topics and, to date, I have always been able to completely discredit their claims with arguments that would more than satisfy any open-minded individual. However, they routinely refuse to acknowledge the possibility they could be in error. They will stubbornly cling to their belief in the hoax even when they have no creditable evidence to fall back on. The debate is clearly not just about evidence and physics; there are those who believe in the hoax merely because they want to believe it.

Why do some people choose to believe in the moon-landing hoax? I wish I could provide a definitive answer to that question, however I suspect it is a combination of paranoia and, perhaps more importantly, feelings of inadequacy. The hoax believers create a delusional fantasy in which they are the heroes. Their ability to decipher the subtle clues and uncover the hoax is seen as a demonstration of their intellectual superiority. To the hoax believers the more complex and convoluted the theory, the smarter they feel for having figured it all out. To the rest of us the theory just doesn't make any sense.

bbgun

09-23-2011, 10:17 AM

And here I was thinking Popular Mechanics took care of all of those people

If you hate your own government or country, or the party that is in power at the time, then anything's possible.

Stautner

09-23-2011, 10:24 AM

tupperware

09-23-2011, 10:29 AM

Sam I Am

09-23-2011, 10:46 AM

Also, I'd like to point out that I don't believe it was faked. But that it would be trivial for such an agency to fake the proof that disproves it being fake, given they could fake something like that in the first place.

Considering anyone can do the laser reflection test from anywhere in the world even without NASA's knowledge of the test, it would be pretty hard to fake. Now a single test performed by NASA or whoever could be faked.

btw, the Earth is flat. People saying it's spherical are lying. That's a bunch of huey! ;)

CowboyMcCoy

09-23-2011, 10:55 AM

Umm... You're talking about George Orwell (real name Eric Blair) who wrote 1984, Animal Farm, and several other books.

Orson Welles was the actor/director behind Citizen Kane, and a famous radio broadcast of War of the Worlds which duped some people into believing that it was real.

Two entirely different people.

Yes, thanks for the correction. I remember the broadcast thing, and I haven't read anything by Welles other than 1984. So I'm definitely off there. But the funny thing is people did believe it was real because they tuned in late... and started heading for their bunkers, etc. I remember that now.

CowboyMcCoy

09-23-2011, 10:59 AM

What is it that points to the government lying about planes bringing down the World Trade Towers? We actually saw the planes fly into the towers, yet we have no survivors talking about bombs in the basement. The towers crumbled from the top down. They didn't topple from the base. So, other than just being a conspiracy theorist, what is there to suggest the planes weren't responsible for the towers collapsing?

I'm not one of those firehouse conspiracy nuts. Again, the subject is for another forum. I can't say much other than if I do say much it will get deleted. But my doubts do not hinge on the WTC being imploded or anything. In any case, what's funny is more and more people see the actual truth behind 9/11. We're still at war with who?

CowboyMcCoy

09-23-2011, 11:04 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA

Citing the Aggie sources again, I see. And once again, reading isn't your thing.

It dissapoints me how little the average American knows about...well anything really, but mostly our government. It should come as no surprise really that 9/11 and moon "truthers" exist, because after all it is way easier to watch conspiracy videos on youtube than it is to read a book or pay attention in high school government. Paying attention in physics and chemistry would have helped as well, as even a basic knowledge of the sciences can debunk 98% of all conspiracy theories regarding the moon and 9/11. For instance, people think 9/11 had to be an inside job because jet fuel doesnt burn hot enough to melt steel, and people think the moon landing was a hoax because there are no stars in any of the photos. Only an uneducated mind is capable of buying into such nonsense.

No one yet has debated that we didn't land on the moon. It's obvious we did. Funny you say that about education. I never had to choose the 3rd best school in Texas. I went to numero uno and I still think the government at least used 9/11 for the wrong purposes. I don't expect you to look at the facts though, the CIA records, the Bush family history of selling bombs to the Germans in WWII.... nah, just mindlessly consume what Fox and the White House tells you, just like a good Aggie. LOL

zrinkill

09-23-2011, 11:04 AM

what's funny is more and more people see the actual truth behind 9/11.

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/8/1/2f85162b-9bd6-4d95-92e9-9aedb0d56029.jpg

CowboyMcCoy

09-23-2011, 11:10 AM

:lmao:

http://humanbeingsfirst.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/saucer7-via-tfc-iamthewitness.jpg

Good comparison.

Hey, I thought you stopped using these strawman arguments and smilies when you turned 18 last year. This is so unlike you Zrin. Let's not forget, the reason you believe the government so much is bc you once worked for them. Talking about 9/11 being a hoax somewhat implies you might be one. I get it. You take it personally. I see it for what it is and I'm glad I'm not trapped in a close-minded world like you.

CowboyMcCoy

09-23-2011, 11:13 AM

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/8/1/2f85162b-9bd6-4d95-92e9-9aedb0d56029.jpg

I guess you didn't like the way the first photo depicted an actual military plane which looked sort of like a UFO. LOL So you hastily placed that one there and realized you didn't make sense, so they you typed 9/11 conspiracy UFO and got this one.

Good work.

Maybe you could have juxtaposed them together for better effect and then added maybe 5 or 6 smiles to prove your point even further.

zrinkill

09-23-2011, 11:15 AM

I'm not trapped in a close-minded world like you.

:lmao2:

Ranzo

09-23-2011, 11:16 AM

Oh my. A proper conspiracy thread is going off the rails. Train wrecks do have a certain allure...

Sam I Am

09-23-2011, 11:16 AM

http://humanbeingsfirst.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/saucer7-via-tfc-iamthewitness.jpg

:eek: They filled in and put a tail rudder on the top of the old Texas Stadium roof!

zrinkill

09-23-2011, 11:17 AM

I guess you didn't like the way the first photo depicted an actual military plane

Thought the second picture was funnier.

Everything else is WAYYYYY over your head.

CowboyMcCoy

09-23-2011, 11:18 AM

http://humanbeingsfirst.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/saucer7-via-tfc-iamthewitness.jpg

:eek: They filled in and put a tail rudder on the top of the old Texas Stadium roof!

:laugh1:

So why did we need to stop the shuttle program? It's so sad.

zrinkill

09-23-2011, 11:19 AM

:laugh1:
So why did we need to stop the shuttle program? It's so sad.

Do you still drive a car from the 1980's?

Oh wait ...... you probably do.

never mind.

ConcordCowboy

09-23-2011, 11:19 AM

In any case, what's funny is more and more people see the actual truth behind 9/11.

What is the truth as you see it behind 9/11?

CowboyMcCoy

09-23-2011, 11:30 AM

What is the truth as you see it behind 9/11?

The government abused a tragedy to start a war they long wanted, but couldn't sell to the public. But if I distrusted the government so much and that made me paranoid and irrational, then why would I support the moon landing with evidence... and then ignore it about 9/11. The things I've found from studying the topic of 9/11 and the so-called "conspiracy" aren't from the news or tabloids or conspiracy sites. They're from the library of Congress. In any case, if you paid attention in history you'd know this isn't the first time the government did this. Look at the Gulf of Tonkin.

In any case, I guess my point in this thread is that it's an apples to orange comparison and probably shouldn't have been brought up in this thread. It was about the moon and if we went there. The facts tell me we did.

I'll leave it at that.

CowboyMcCoy

09-23-2011, 11:33 AM

Do you still drive a car from the 1980's?

Oh wait ...... you probably do.

never mind.

Late 90s and mid 90s. But cars depreciate, so I don't waste my money on them much.

So how long do you think it will take us to build a new one, Zrin?

ConcordCowboy

09-23-2011, 11:35 AM

The government abused a tragedy to start a war they long wanted, but couldn't sell to the public. But if I distrusted the government so much and that made me paranoid and irrational, then why would I support the moon landing with evidence... and then ignore it about 9/11. The things I've found from studying the topic of 9/11 and the so-called "conspiracy" aren't from the news or tabloids or conspiracy sites. They're from the library of Congress. In any case, if you paid attention in history you'd know this isn't the first time the government did this. Look at the Gulf of Tonkin.

In any case, I guess my point in this thread is that it's an apples to orange comparison and probably shouldn't have been brought up in this thread. It was about the moon and if we went there. The facts tell me we did.

I'll leave it at that.

Oh I agree with that.

So you don't believe that we actually shot missiles into the WTC or the Pentagon or that Bush knew about the plot and let it happen...stuff like that?