ESPND: Jerry Jones: David Buehler not going anywhere

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By Calvin Watkins

IRVING, Texas -- When kicker Dan Bailey (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14322/dan-bailey) made a franchise rookie record six field goals in the Cowboys' victory over the Washington Redskins (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/wsh/washington-redskins) on Monday, it created a buzz questioning the need for David Buehler (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12459/david-buehler).

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said Wednesday on KRLD-FM, however, that Buehler will remain with the team. The kicker missed the Redskins game and will most likely not participate against the Detroit Lions (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/det/detroit-lions) on Sunday as he recovers from a groin injury.

"We want David Buehler to get well," Jones said. "He will need the bye to really get well, I think. We need that kickoff deep in that end zone. That touchback is an important part of the game."

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[RS12]

Obviously, Jerry has a man crush.

[stasheroo]

Sure thing Al............ er...................... Jerry............................

:rolleyes:

[zrinkill]

Jerry Jones: Terrell Owens is not going anywhere.

[Hoofbite]

He's delusional.

TBs are up like 300% compared to last year.

There hasn't been a single game played without a TB.

It's not that rare, Jerry.

Fact, most every kicker is getting it done and Bailey can get it done.

Just move on.

[EMMITTnROY]

I know I'm in the minority here, but I like the idea of keeping Buehler. With him, it's a guaranteed touchback or a high kick with lots of hangtime that forces the runner to take it out and get stuffed at the 15 yard line. Bailey looks to be great on field goals, but his touchback percentage might be half of Buehler's. To me, that 53rd spot is better reserved for someone who takes away the threat of a return touchdown and saves our defense about 5 yards on average starting field position. Why give that spot to a WR, LB or CB who will never even see the field?

[Manwiththeplan]

Who does everyone want to sign with this extra roster spot? Who does every one think needs to be on the gameday 46 to take Buehler's spot. I ask because I don't trust Bailey's kickoffs in @ Washington in November, @ New York in January and if in the playoffs if we have to go on the road against a Green Bay/Chicago.

[Doomsay]

That's too bad. It appears that the long kickers don't have the same value that they've had in prior seasons, however, given the continued sad state of our Redzone offense, it appears that we will be heavily reliant on Bailey, and there might be some benefit in not over using him on KO's especially in his first season.

[stasheroo]

Who does everyone want to sign with this extra roster spot? Who does every one think needs to be on the gameday 46 to take Buehler's spot. I ask because I don't trust Bailey's kickoffs in @ Washington in November, @ New York in January and if in the playoffs if we have to go on the road against a Green Bay/Chicago.

If it's my decision?

A veteran swing tackle.

I think we're seriously pushing our luck having just Parnell as our lone backup tackle.

I think he's a good developmental prospect, but I'd hate to have to be forced to play him this year simply because we have no other option.

I'd also point out that the team will need to free up a roster spot for Bruce Carter soon enough too.

[Manwiththeplan]

If it's my decision?

A veteran swing tackle.

I think we're seriously pushing our luck having just Parnell as our lone backup tackle.

I think he's a good developmental prospect, but I'd hate to have to be forced to play him this year simply because we have no other option.

I'd also point out that the team will need to free up a roster spot for Bruce Carter soon enough too.

Okay, what capable veteran swing is available? If Flozell is the best guy out there, I'd take Buehler (on KOS, not LT :cool: )

Also I think a RB gets axed when Bruce Carter is ready. Either that or Otree considering that Laurent Robinson will likely pass him during the bye week, and with Miles being ready, 6 recievers isn't needed.

[stasheroo]

Okay, what capable veteran swing is available? If Flozell is the best guy out there, I'd take Buehler (on KOS, not LT :cool: )

At this point, you're right, Flozell looks like the best option. And I would feel better if he had to play in a pinch for a game or two than I would about Parnell - at this point anyway.

Also I think a RB gets axed when Bruce Carter is ready. Either that or Otree considering that Laurent Robinson will likely pass him during the bye week, and with Miles being ready, 6 recievers isn't needed.

I can see the RB going - Choice specifically. For a guy who looked to be on the roster bubble coming into the season, I don't think he's done anything to help his cause.

And I also don't believe that the team will get anything for him in a trade (at least not a draft pick anyway!)

I also agree with you in thinking that Robinson will soon pass Ogletree in the pecking order if he hasn't done so already.

[Manwiththeplan]

At this point, you're right, Flozell looks like the best option. And I would feel better if he had to play in a pinch for a game or two than I would about Parnell - at this point anyway.

I just feel that everyone would feel different if Brandon Banks had a big return, on one of Bailey's shorter kicks, especially since that would have been the difference.

We don't have a ton of outdoor winter games this year, but I'd rather not leave the kickoffs to chance.

[ROUSH8692]

we wouldnt have had to cut McCann...

[Wolfpack]

Ugh. You dont have to say you were wrong drafting him Jer, just cut him and move on.

[newlander]

Uneffingbelievable:

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/09/austin-to-miss-2nd-straight-ga.html

...does the Buehler have pics on Jerrah?:laugh2: ......maybe JJ LIKES the kid, I don't know anymore. He doesn't suck, it's just we simply don't NEED him anymore, and we certainly NEED the roster spot.:bang2: :bang2:

[Galian Beast]

Makes no sense... cut him, and bring him back if Bailey doesn't do well. No one is signing this guy...

[Hostile]

What did I ever do to Jerry that he punishes me with 2 Kickers and one in the bullpen?

[newlander]

Sure thing Al............ er...................... Jerry............................

:rolleyes:


....SENILE OLD BASTID...NO reason whatsofrigginever for this guy to be around: NONE.:bang2:



........AHHHHHHHHHH....BUEHLER THAT IS: NOT JERRAH.....although........naaaah....

[newlander]

If it's my decision?

A veteran swing tackle.

I think we're seriously pushing our luck having just Parnell as our lone backup tackle.

I think he's a good developmental prospect, but I'd hate to have to be forced to play him this year simply because we have no other option.

I'd also point out that the team will need to free up a roster spot for Bruce Carter soon enough too.
:bow:

[newlander]

What did I ever do to Jerry that he punishes me with 2 Kickers and one in the bullpen?

.....it's about HIM....ya know..........da BUEHLER..........:p:

[Reality]

** note .. this is directed at all people wanted Buehler cut right now **

Me thinks you will be predictably absent should a returner return a ball Bailey kicks to the 10 yard line back for a touchdown and the Cowboys lose.

Of course then you'll want a NEW kicker who can make 6 field goals in one game AND kick the ball out of the endzone like Buehler .. you know, because there are a lot of those kinds of kickers available.

As I said before, everyone wanting Buehler cut is really not using any common sense. You want to cut a player that contributes each game (once healed of course) by helping each kickoff with field position to replace him with a player that likely won't even see the field on special teams since several starters are playing on that squad now?

The Cowboys have 7 inactive players and 8 practice squad guys .. The only thing that would likely happen if the Cowboys cut Buehler would be one of the practice squad guys would be moved to the 53 man roster and McGee or another emergency-only-never-to-see-the-field depth player would be activated for games.

I mean I could understand it if Carter's six week PUP delay was finished and the Cowboys didn't want to cut anyone else .. now THAT would make sense for cutting Buehler. But to just cut a guy that helps your team each game (when not injured) for a JAG or young player that will never see the field and will have no more exposure than he did on the practice squad just boggles my mind.

I am in no way a Buehler fan and I would not lose a moment's sleep if we cut him for a player that can help each game right now, but I see no logic or common sense in doing it just for the heck of it.

Sometimes I think Madden has dumbed down the thinking process for many fans..

#reality

[Manwiththeplan]

** note .. this is directed at all people wanted Buehler cut right now **

Me thinks you will be predictably absent should a returner return a ball Bailey kicks to the 10 yard line back for a touchdown and the Cowboys lose.

Of course then you'll want a NEW kicker who can make 6 field goals in one game AND kick the ball out of the endzone like Buehler .. you know, because there are a lot of those kinds of kickers available.

As I said before, everyone wanting Buehler cut is really not using any common sense. You want to cut a player that contributes each game (once healed of course) by helping each kickoff with field position to replace him with a player that likely won't even see the field on special teams since several starters are playing on that squad now?

The Cowboys have 7 inactive players and 8 practice squad guys .. The only thing that would likely happen if the Cowboys cut Buehler would be one of the practice squad guys would be moved to the 53 man roster and McGee or another emergency-only-never-to-see-the-field depth player would be activated for games.

I mean I could understand it if Carter's six week PUP delay was finished and the Cowboys didn't want to cut anyone else .. now THAT would make sense for cutting Buehler. But to just cut a guy that helps your team each game (when not injured) for a JAG or young player that will never see the field and will have no more exposure than he did on the practice squad just boggles my mind.

I am in no way a Buehler fan and I would not lose a moment's sleep if we cut him for a player that can help each game right now, but I see no logic or common sense in doing it just for the heck of it.

Sometimes I think Madden has dumbed down the thinking process for many fans..

#reality

+10 internets for you :starspin

[Hostile]

.....it's about HIM....ya know..........da BUEHLER..........:p:It has to be about me. Nothing else could make it hurt this bad.

I want some churn man.

Buehler
Choice
Ogletree
Maybe Bennett

I can name some players to bring in.

[Wolfpack]

Why is Dallas the only team that feels the need to carry two place kickers?

Is this more signs of the genius of Jerry? Fruits of that great special team draft?

Or is it odd that 31 other teams are ok with finding one guy who can kick both field goals and touch backs. (from the 35 mind you).

[silver]

It has to be about me. Nothing else could make it hurt this bad.

I want some churn man.

Buehler
Choice
Ogletree
Maybe Bennett

I can name some players to bring in.

Save it. If they're so good, why are they available huh? Don't even bother with their names and/or positions.

regards

Mickey Spagnola

[CooterBrown]

** note .. this is directed at all people wanted Buehler cut right now **

Me thinks you will be predictably absent should a returner return a ball Bailey kicks to the 10 yard line back for a touchdown and the Cowboys lose.

Of course then you'll want a NEW kicker who can make 6 field goals in one game AND kick the ball out of the endzone like Buehler .. you know, because there are a lot of those kinds of kickers available.

As I said before, everyone wanting Buehler cut is really not using any common sense. You want to cut a player that contributes each game (once healed of course) by helping each kickoff with field position to replace him with a player that likely won't even see the field on special teams since several starters are playing on that squad now?

The Cowboys have 7 inactive players and 8 practice squad guys .. The only thing that would likely happen if the Cowboys cut Buehler would be one of the practice squad guys would be moved to the 53 man roster and McGee or another emergency-only-never-to-see-the-field depth player would be activated for games.

I mean I could understand it if Carter's six week PUP delay was finished and the Cowboys didn't want to cut anyone else .. now THAT would make sense for cutting Buehler. But to just cut a guy that helps your team each game (when not injured) for a JAG or young player that will never see the field and will have no more exposure than he did on the practice squad just boggles my mind.

I am in no way a Buehler fan and I would not lose a moment's sleep if we cut him for a player that can help each game right now, but I see no logic or common sense in doing it just for the heck of it.

Sometimes I think Madden has dumbed down the thinking process for many fans..

#reality

I've been saying this since training camp. Long kickoff returns are momentum-changers. If you can completely eliminate any chance of that with just one of your 46 players, why would you not keep that player? I guess some people would rather keep the player who makes the tackle after a 60 yard kick return than the one who prevents the kick return from happening.

[Reality]

Why is Dallas the only team that feels the need to carry two place kickers?

Is this more signs of the genius of Jerry? Fruits of that great special team draft?


What reliable kickers are available to sign that can make most of their kicks especially when the game is on the line and also kick it out of the end zone? There are a few of them and all of them are locked under contracts to other teams. But I know .. Jerry the Genius should have found a way to magically summon one to appear at Valley Ranch before the season started.

By all means, let's replace our current youngest-kicker-in-the-NFL who has already made a game-tying 40+ yard field goal at the end of regulation and two game-winning kicks along along with a 6-for-6 field goal game.

The fact that you and others are making me defend freaking kickers is astounding ..

#reality

[Reality]

I've been saying this since training camp. Long kickoff returns are momentum-changers. If you can completely eliminate any chance of that with just one of your 46 players, why would you not keep that player? I guess some people would rather keep the player who makes the tackle after a 60 yard kick return than the one who prevents the kick return from happening.

See, that's what I am saying. This is not about player love/hate for me .. it's simply about common sense. The problem is that a lot of fans cannot see past the last game when it comes to players. It would be laughable if it wasn't so predictable.

I guarantee you that if Bailey makes all kicks in the next game and the Lions get a few really good returns, the "Cut Buehler" threads will disappear, at least for a week. But if Bailey misses a kick or two or the Lions run a kickoff back for a touchdown, the "Cut Buehler and Bailey" threads will flow in full force.

It's very simple for me .. I want a kicker who can make around 87% or more of his field goal attempts and kick the ball into the end zone every single time. If there is a kicker out there that can meet both of those requirements, then by all means replace Bailey and Buehler with him. But don't give me a 50 year old guy who did that once or twice 10+ years ago.

I mean think about this guys .. Bailey is 23 years old (youngest kicker in the NFL) without an off-season with the strength and condition coaches. Give that guy a full off-season of strength work and next season he may be able to put them to the end zone every time and there would no longer be a need for Buehler. I mean have you even seen Bailey? He looks like a kid out there among men.

I'm just saying use some common sense. As long as he is making most of his field goals, continue to use that JAG-bench-warmer-in-waiting spot for Buehler for now.

#reality

[JIGGYFLY]

It has to be about me. Nothing else could make it hurt this bad.

I want some churn man.

Buehler
Choice
Ogletree
Maybe Bennett

I can name some players to bring in.

Why would you want to churn a player in Bennett who is playing over 50% of the snaps and is your best blocking TE and your line is already struggling to run the ball.

And you claim to be such a expert on football.

But I will play along who would you name to churn instead of Bennett or the rest of the people you named.

[stasheroo]

** note .. this is directed at all people wanted Buehler cut right now **

Me thinks you will be predictably absent should a returner return a ball Bailey kicks to the 10 yard line back for a touchdown and the Cowboys lose.

Of course then you'll want a NEW kicker who can make 6 field goals in one game AND kick the ball out of the endzone like Buehler .. you know, because there are a lot of those kinds of kickers available.

As I said before, everyone wanting Buehler cut is really not using any common sense. You want to cut a player that contributes each game (once healed of course) by helping each kickoff with field position to replace him with a player that likely won't even see the field on special teams since several starters are playing on that squad now?

The Cowboys have 7 inactive players and 8 practice squad guys .. The only thing that would likely happen if the Cowboys cut Buehler would be one of the practice squad guys would be moved to the 53 man roster and McGee or another emergency-only-never-to-see-the-field depth player would be activated for games.

I mean I could understand it if Carter's six week PUP delay was finished and the Cowboys didn't want to cut anyone else .. now THAT would make sense for cutting Buehler. But to just cut a guy that helps your team each game (when not injured) for a JAG or young player that will never see the field and will have no more exposure than he did on the practice squad just boggles my mind.

I am in no way a Buehler fan and I would not lose a moment's sleep if we cut him for a player that can help each game right now, but I see no logic or common sense in doing it just for the heck of it.

Sometimes I think Madden has dumbed down the thinking process for many fans..

#reality

Here's the thing:

Buehler's one function on this team is kickoffs and getting touchbacks to prevent returns because apparently the art of coverage is lost in today's NFL.

That's the one thing he's supposed to be good at.

That's the one thing he's being kept around for.

And guess how well he's doing at that one thing?

50%! That's how well!

He's a pedestrian 50% (5 of 10) at the one thing we're keeping him around for!

There are plenty actual real kickers who are doing a much better job at it than Buehler.

When he can't consistantly do the one thing we keep him around for, remind us again why he's so valuable?

:confused:

[DanteEXT]

Here's the thing:

Buehler's one function on this team is kickoffs and getting touchbacks to prevent returns because apparently the art of coverage is lost in today's NFL.

That's the one thing he's supposed to be good at.

That's the one thing he's being kept around for.

And guess how well he's doing at that one thing?

50%! That's how well!

He's a pedestrian 50% (5 of 10) at the one thing we're keeping him around for!

There are plenty actual real kickers who are doing a much better job at it than Buehler.

When he can't consistantly do the one thing we keep him around for, remind us again why he's so valuable?

:confused:

You are assuming that 100% of the time he was asked to kick the ball deep and failed.

[stasheroo]

You are assuming that 100% of the time he was asked to kick the ball deep and failed.

Yeah.

If that's the one thing he's good for, why would you ask him to do something else?

Why would the team ask that he not kick the ball into the endzone?

Explain that reasoning to me?

[Reality]

Here's the thing:

Buehler's one function on this team is kickoffs and getting touchbacks to prevent returns because apparently the art of coverage is lost in today's NFL.

That's the one thing he's supposed to be good at.

That's the one thing he's being kept around for.

And guess how well he's doing at that one thing?

50%! That's how well!

He's a pedestrian 50% (5 of 10) at the one thing we're keeping him around for!

There are plenty actual real kickers who are doing a much better job at it than Buehler.

When he can't consistantly do the one thing we keep him around for, remind us again why he's so valuable?

:confused:
This is an example of what I'm talking about. Fans assume that if Buehler fails to kick it out of the end zone, he failed his job.

Before the 49ers game, when asked about Ginn's return ability, Buehler made the comment (I am paraphrasing) that he hopes to get the green light to kick it out of the end zone.

Fans don't realize that the coaches may tell Buehler to kick the ball higher than normal and have it land around the goal line. Why? Because it gives them a chance to get a fumble but more importantly, it gives them a chance to stop the other team inside the 20.

Has Bailey kicked it to the goal line or even a little into the end zone? Absolutely, but those kicks were line drive kicks that got the ball to the returner well before the coverage team can reach him. With Buehler, the coverage team can meet the returner at the 5-10 yard line every time which is something Bailey cannot do regularly.

To be honest, I don't like touchbacks because I want a chance at stopping them inside the 20 or a flag on the return team backing them up even further and I also want a shot at a fumble. But I want a guy that can kick the ball high enough to give the coverage team time to reach the returner.

JoeD has Buehler kicking angled kicks and kicking it high. Against the 49ers, they obviously gave him permission to kick it deep because he did so a lot. That won't stop a guy from catching the ball 8 yards deep inside the end zone and still bringing it out. That's not Buehler's fault .. it's actually what a good ST coach wants to happen.

#reality

[stasheroo]

This is an example of what I'm talking about. Fans assume that if Buehler fails to kick it out of the end zone, he failed his job.

Before the 49ers game, when asked about Ginn's return ability, Buehler made the comment (I am paraphrasing) that he hopes to get the green light to kick it out of the end zone.

Fans don't realize that the coaches may tell Buehler to kick the ball higher than normal and have it land around the goal line. Why? Because it gives them a chance to get a fumble but more importantly, it gives them a chance to stop the other team inside the 20.

Maybe they should ask Buehler to kick it right out of the stadium? Since he's apparently such a kickoff artist that he can perform any trick with the ball that the coaches ask?

It seems like people are trying to make any excuse they can for Buehler.

Now the latest one is that when it doesn't go out of the endzone it's because they didn't want it to.

Has Bailey kicked it to the goal line or even a little into the end zone? Absolutely, but those kicks were line drive kicks that got the ball to the returner well before the coverage team can reach him. With Buehler, the coverage team can meet the returner at the 5-10 yard line every time which is something Bailey cannot do regularly.

To be honest, I don't like touchbacks because I want a chance at stopping them inside the 20 or a flag on the return team backing them up even further and I also want a shot at a fumble. But I want a guy that can kick the ball high enough to give the coverage team time to reach the returner.

JoeD has Buehler kicking angled kicks and kicking it high. Against the 49ers, they obviously gave him permission to kick it deep because he did so a lot. That won't stop a guy from catching the ball 8 yards deep inside the end zone and still bringing it out. That's not Buehler's fault .. it's actually what a good ST coach wants to happen.

#reality

Sorry, but it sounds like a lot of excuse-making to me.

And a poor attempt at somehow justifying Buehler being on this roster.

I wonder if people will feel the same if this team loses an offensive tackle?

[Manwiththeplan]

So when Bailey said, I hope I get thr green light to kick it out of thr end zone, what do you think he meant?

[Reality]

Maybe they should ask Buehler to kick it right out of the stadium? Since he's apparently such a kickoff artist that he can perform any trick with the ball that the coaches ask?

It seems like people are trying to make any excuse they can for Buehler.

Now the latest one is that when it doesn't go out of the endzone it's because they didn't want it to.



Sorry, but it sounds like a lot of excuse-making to me.

And a poor attempt at somehow justifying Buehler being on this roster.

I wonder if people will feel the same if this team loses an offensive tackle?

If you do not understand or comprehend that coaches do not always want the ball kicked out of the end zone, then that is the end of the conversation. I accept at that point that this is more about an anti-player agenda than it is an actual discussion.

As I said, Buehler was being interviewed before the 49ers game and when asked if he was planning to kick it deep to keep it away from Ginn, he made the comment that he hoped the coaches would give him the green light to do so. That was before the game. During that game, every one of his kicks went deep. Ginn even returned at least one from at the back of the end zone if I remember correctly because he was desperate to get a return.

The ironic part for me is I am not and have never been a Buehler fan but I am using common sense and logic to debate the reasons to keep him for now. I forget sometimes that many others are incapable of that.

But I realize the facts interfere with the <insert player-to-hate-this-week here> agenda so I will leave you to continue it.

*cheers*

#reality

[stasheroo]

If you do not understand or comprehend that coaches do not always want the ball kicked out of the end zone, then that is the end of the conversation. I accept at that point that this is more about an anti-player agenda than it is an actual discussion.

Fine. End it. Tell me I don't know what I'm talking about and keep up with the ridiculous notion that when Buehler fails to do the one thing he's here for it's 'by design'.

The idea is ridiculous. You take the sure thing whenever you get it. If The Buehler is as automatic as you think then you take it. you don't get 'cute', you take the sure thing an avoid the runback that everyone is so afraid of.

As I said, Buehler was being interviewed before the 49ers game and when asked if he was planning to kick it deep to keep it away from Ginn, he made the comment that he hoped the coaches would give him the green light to do so. That was before the game. During that game, every one of his kicks went deep. Ginn even returned at least one from at the back of the end zone if I remember correctly because he was desperate to get a return.

The ironic part for me is I am not and have never been a Buehler fan but I am using common sense and logic to debate the reasons to keep him for now. I forget sometimes that many others are incapable of that.

But I realize the facts interfere with the <insert player-to-hate-this-week here> agenda so I will leave you to continue it.

*cheers*

#reality

What 'facts'? You mean the fact that Buehler is 50% on the one thing he's good at? Yeah. That's the only 'fact' presented here.

Yep, just a bunch of us 'haters'. How dare we criticize anything or anyone having to do with the Dallas Cowboys?!?!?

The epic confrontation in this forum since the beginning, and likely to the end.

Second verse, same as the first...

[DanteEXT]

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4678725/jason-garrett-likes-intent-of-kickoff-change

The new rules could eliminate the directional kicking style some teams like to use. Cowboys special teams coordinator Joe DeCamillis likes to directional kick sometimes to pin elite returners in a corner.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/471529-dallas-cowboys-at-houston-texans-week-3-preview-dos-and-donts-for-dallas

DON’T continue to have David Buehler perform directional kickoffs

It was obvious that special teams coach Joe DeCamillis told David Buehler to kick to the corners on Sunday.


Yes, sometimes the special teams coach doesn't want you to just boom it out of the endzone.

[Tex]

What 'facts'? You mean the fact that Buehler is 50% on the one thing he's good at? Yeah. That's the only 'fact' presented here.
..

Actually more facts were presented but take some reading comprehension skills.

He may NOT be asked to just kick it out of the end zone every time. He may be asked to kick it HIGH and deep and dare them to bring it out. (which bailey can not do)

Can you see where that screws up your argument even when he does exactly as the coaching staff asks him to? He kicks VERY high. Unusually high. The only way to judge his effectiveness would be average starting position for the other team and even THAT depends on kick coverage also.

Perhaps the goal (by our coaching staff) is NOT to give the other team a 20 yard line starting position every time but actually get them nailed back farther.

Yes I know this is just crazy talk you probably won't grasp here but still... trying to help.

Tex

[Hoofbite]

What reliable kickers are available to sign that can make most of their kicks especially when the game is on the line and also kick it out of the end zone? There are a few of them and all of them are locked under contracts to other teams. But I know .. Jerry the Genius should have found a way to magically summon one to appear at Valley Ranch before the season started.

By all means, let's replace our current youngest-kicker-in-the-NFL who has already made a game-tying 40+ yard field goal at the end of regulation and two game-winning kicks along along with a 6-for-6 field goal game.

The fact that you and others are making me defend freaking kickers is astounding ..

#reality

David Akers was out there.

[Manwiththeplan]

Fine. End it. Tell me I don't know what I'm talking about and keep up with the ridiculous notion that when Buehler fails to do the one thing he's here for it's 'by design'.

The idea is ridiculous. You take the sure thing whenever you get it. If The Buehler is as automatic as you think then you take it. you don't get 'cute', you take the sure thing an avoid the runback that everyone is so afraid of.



What 'facts'? You mean the fact that Buehler is 50% on the one thing he's good at? Yeah. That's the only 'fact' presented here.

Yep, just a bunch of us 'haters'. How dare we criticize anything or anyone having to do with the Dallas Cowboys?!?!?

The epic confrontation in this forum since the beginning, and likely to the end.

Second verse, same as the first...

so again, why would buehler say he hopes to get the green light to kick it out the endzone against the 49ers? Can you not see the difference in hangtime for Buehler's kickoffs that go short of the endzone and even Bailey's kickoff's that make it to the endzone?

[stasheroo]

so again, why would buehler say he hopes to get the green light to kick it out the endzone against the 49ers? Can you not see the difference in hangtime for Buehler's kickoffs that go short of the endzone and even Bailey's kickoff's that make it to the endzone?


Is that his excuse for not being able to kick field goals either?

Did he not 'get the green light' there either?


:rolleyes:

It's stupid to run the risk of a big return to gain a few extra yards on a kickoff and it's also stupid to suggest that as an excuse for Buehler.

People are seriously now going to take issue with pinning the opponent on the 20-yard line every time you can do it?

First, they complain against Bailey because he can't do it, and then they make excuses for Buehler when he doesn't?

It's like Bizarro-world around here...

[stasheroo]

Actually more facts were presented but take some reading comprehension skills.

He may NOT be asked to just kick it out of the end zone every time. He may be asked to kick it HIGH and deep and dare them to bring it out. (which bailey can not do)

Can you see where that screws up your argument even when he does exactly as the coaching staff asks him to? He kicks VERY high. Unusually high. The only way to judge his effectiveness would be average starting position for the other team and even THAT depends on kick coverage also.

Perhaps the goal (by our coaching staff) is NOT to give the other team a 20 yard line starting position every time but actually get them nailed back farther.

Yes I know this is just crazy talk you probably won't grasp here but still... trying to help.

Tex

Crazy talk for sure.

Out of one side of their mouths, they take issue with Bailey's inability to kick it into the endzone.

And then they make excuses for Buehler doing the very same thing.

Weak.

:rolleyes:

[DanteEXT]

It's stupid to run the risk of a big return to gain a few extra yards on a kickoff and it's also stupid to suggest that as an excuse for Buehler.


Not sure how that is an excuse for Buehler. If the coach says kick it high to the corner at the goal line, you do it. Ask Matt Dodge what happens when you fail to kick it where the coaches tellyou to kick it.

Seems to me your directing you issues with Buehlers kickoffs toward the wrong individual. I would think Joe DeCamillis would be who you should have issues with. He is the coach of the special teams.

[rcaldw]

I know I'm in the minority here, but I like the idea of keeping Buehler. With him, it's a guaranteed touchback or a high kick with lots of hangtime that forces the runner to take it out and get stuffed at the 15 yard line. Bailey looks to be great on field goals, but his touchback percentage might be half of Buehler's. To me, that 53rd spot is better reserved for someone who takes away the threat of a return touchdown and saves our defense about 5 yards on average starting field position. Why give that spot to a WR, LB or CB who will never even see the field?

I'm with you on this one. And for another reason. I think they will probably go back to the regular distance next season. If they do, then Buehler's kickoffs will play an even bigger role.

[newlander]

The excuses and outright clownishness associated with this guy and his half arsed existence....both by MGMT and on this board. Dude must have made a deal with the devil..don't know how else to explain it.:cool:

[stasheroo]

Not sure how that is an excuse for Buehler. If the coach says kick it high to the corner at the goal line, you do it. Ask Matt Dodge what happens when you fail to kick it where the coaches tellyou to kick it.

Apples to oranges.

Dodge simply couldn't do what was asked of him. "Super Buehler" apparently can do anything asked of him with the football. Except put it through the uprights of course!

Seems to me your directing you issues with Buehlers kickoffs toward the wrong individual. I would think Joe DeCamillis would be who you should have issues with. He is the coach of the special teams.

If someone can prove to me that DeCamillis is in fact, messing around with the league's 'ultimate kickoff weapon', then I'll have a problem with him.

[wileedog]

You are assuming that 100% of the time he was asked to kick the ball deep and failed.

If there are times when he is not being asked to kick it through the endzone then his presence here makes even less sense.

[Verdict]

Although I hate to see a roster spot taken up by an additional kicker, I think it is worth the roster spot for a couple of important reasons, which Reality eloquently stated above. Additionally, I think that keeping the "man eating kicker reduces the chances that a kick will be taken all the way to the house because he is like having an additional safety/linebacker on kickoff returns to tackle the return man. Let's not forget that as I think it is an important concept. Bailey doesn't bring that to the table.

[pancakeman]

I'm with you on this one. And for another reason. I think they will probably go back to the regular distance next season. If they do, then Buehler's kickoffs will play an even bigger role.

That's a thoughtful point.

[2233boys]

What an idiot. :bang2:

[Kilyin]

http://www.youdontknowjersey.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/jerry_jones_demotivational_poster.jpg

[gimmesix]

He's delusional.

TBs are up like 300% compared to last year.

There hasn't been a single game played without a TB.

It's not that rare, Jerry.

Fact, most every kicker is getting it done and Bailey can get it done.

Just move on.

How often can Bailey get it done? Every kick? Every other kick? Do we even know for sure?

Will he have one or two a game that barely make it inside the 10, giving the other team a chance for a big return?

I think some people won't see Buehler as a weapon worth keeping until a team breaks a backbreaking return.

[gimmesix]

Crazy talk for sure.

Out of one side of their mouths, they take issue with Bailey's inability to kick it into the endzone.

And then they make excuses for Buehler doing the very same thing.

Weak.

:rolleyes:

Three of Buehler's five kickoffs against the Jets went into the end zone, just because they were returned doesn't mean they shouldn't have resulted in touchbacks.

His first kick went to the 3 and was returned to the 22.

His second kick went to the minus-9 and was returned to the 13.

His third kick was a touchback.

His fourth was to the minus-7 and returned to the 20.

His fifth was to the 6 and was returned to the 16.

So Buehler should have 7 touchbacks in 10 kickoffs, even though he apparently has not been completely healthy.

[stasheroo]

How often can Bailey get it done? Every kick? Every other kick? Do we even know for sure?

Will he have one or two a game that barely make it inside the 10, giving the other team a chance for a big return?

I think some people won't see Buehler as a weapon worth keeping until a team breaks a backbreaking return.

That's true.

And it's also true that people would be plenty PO'd if one of this team's starting offensive tackles went down and we were scrambling to replace them.

I guess neither situation would be ideal.

[gimmesix]

That's true.

And it's also true that people would be plenty PO'd if one of this team's starting offensive tackles went down and we were scrambling to replace them.

I guess neither situation would be ideal.

I will agree with that.

I don't like keeping two kickers, but if Buehler has a positive effect on field position, I think it's a burden worth carrying.

The trouble, of course, is we won't be able to know how much influence his kicks have in comparison to what Bailey could do ... so there will always be room for debate.

[newlander]

Would ANY other organization in pro football be doing this? Forget the good ones: Pittsburgh, Green Bay, etc....would ANY team take 2 spots on the roster for multiple KICKERS?:confused: I havent' even checked and won't because it's such a bad idea: ESPECIALLY when your designated kickoff guy is HURT and not available......just insane. Bottom line: Jerrah loves him some Buehler and just won't part with the kid. Think about it: there are MULTIPLE kickers out there that could kick the ball through the end zone. If that was so important as JJ says, then why not cut Buehler-or put him on IR and go sign one? If we were impeccably healthy I could see having the luxury, but that's just no the case.:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[Doomsday101]

Not thrilled with keeping 2 kickers and I don't think we will long term. If Bailey can continue to produce and the team gains the confidence in him then I think they will look to move Buehler out.