maryland's pro day

[RESIN8]

http://umterps.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/031605aab.html

[RCowboyFan]

http://umterps.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/031605aab.html


Speed for Shawn at his height and weight is impressive. Although I would like to now the short shuttle and maybe those 10 yard timings, to really see if he has the short area quickness as they call it.

[jobberone]

nice stuff.

I didn't know Merriman had gotten to 275 and still was running a 4.6. He has the agility to be a DE/LB. That's gotta help him.

One thing I do notice is every year there are about 100+ guys who are can go in round one.

[Qwickdraw]

WOW.

A 40" verticle with a 4.60 40 at 6'4" 274 lbs.
What a freak of nature.
I'll take him, please.

[jbsg02]

I'd rather see him as a DE. I would have the hopes he could turn into Dwight Freeney.

[conner01]

the short shuffle and the skills work seem alot more important to me than the 40.the 40 ismmore of a gauge to compare guys.not many times you have to run 40 yds

[InmanRoshi]

Justin Tuck and Troy Williamson have their Pro Days today as well, although Williamson worked out at the combine.

[RESIN8]

ALex Smith's pro day is today too.

[Alexander]

ALex Smith's pro day is today too.

Smith supposedly got a standing O per Gil Brandt.

[Chocolate Lab]

I don't trust Pro Day times (they had a 247lb TE who ran a 4.55 also), but that's pretty good at that weight.

I did have to laugh at the caption under the picture of Merriman that said:

"Shawne Merriman hopes to have improved his chances at being selected in the first round. " :D

[InmanRoshi]

ALex Smith's pro day is today too.

Brandt said he ran into a Cowboys scout at his hotel for that workout.

[Alexander]

Brandt said he ran into a Cowboys scout at his hotel for that workout.

I saw that too.

Weird.

I guess you have to do what you can to put on the illusion that maybe we might take the guy if he tumbled all the way to 11.

[bbgun]

He's slipping away from us, gents.

[LA=Pancakemaker]

Release the hounds!

[ABQCOWBOY]

Smith supposedly got a standing O per Gil Brandt.

QB or TE? If it's the QB, I'm not surprised. I think a whole lot of people are selling this kid way short.

[InmanRoshi]

I saw that too.

Weird.

I guess you have to do what you can to put on the illusion that maybe we might take the guy if he tumbled all the way to 11.

He said representatives were there from 28 teams, so I'm not going to read too much into it.

[btcutter]

After the workout, Merriman may have just leap frogged DJ as first LB taken in the draft. He may not be avail to us at #11. Better think of someone else to pick at #11 or else trade down.

[InmanRoshi]

I wonder what he could run a 255.

[Nors]

Smith supposedly got a standing O per Gil Brandt.
Who gave it to him :eek:

[Hollywood Henderson]

No doubt Merriman goes before DJ and yes, he might have just ran to quick to make it to #11...

[junk]

He said representatives were there from 28 teams, so I'm not going to read too much into it.

It would be dumb for a team to miss checking out any top prospect. Who knows how draft day will shake out and if the value is too great to pass up, you have to take the guy regardless of position.

[joseephuss]

It would be dumb for a team to miss checking out any top prospect. Who knows how draft day will shake out and if the value is too great to pass up, you have to take the guy regardless of position.

Plus you have to look at the other Utah players as well. Some of those guys could be decent second day pick ups.

[junk]

Plus you have to look at the other Utah players as well. Some of those guys could be decent second day pick ups.

Good point.

[Muhast]

he looks alot faster in games then his 40 shows, i remember seeing highlights during the season of him scoring from 30 and 40 yards out at least 2 times. You will NEVER see bledsoe score for 40 yards out if its a run lol.

[Chuck 54]

http://umterps.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/031605aab.html
hard to know what to think when 90% of his teammates recorded faster times than he did....sorry, I'm not sold on merriman...I'd like to have seen him dominate and rack up record sacks against the opponents he faced.

[InmanRoshi]

I saw on a messageboard that Tuck came in at 265lbs, 4.70, 38vj, 26reps at 225, 4.21 shuttle.

[Eskimo]

I saw on a messageboard that Tuck came in at 265lbs, 4.70, 38vj, 26reps at 225, 4.21 shuttle.

The 4.21 shuttle is very impressive for a 265 pounder.

[Chief]

sorry, I'm not sold on merriman...I'd like to have seen him dominate and rack up record sacks against the opponents he faced.


I sorta feel the same way, Wayne.

Measurables are nice, especially in March.

I'd like to know more about his intangibles, his instincts, durability and production.

I've never seen the guy play, but I'm always wary when these "specimens" start climbing the draft boards this time of year.

[zagnut]

I sorta feel the same way, Wayne.

Measurables are nice, especially in March.

I'd like to know more about his intangibles, his instincts, durability and production.

I've never seen the guy play, but I'm always wary when these "specimens" start climbing the draft boards this time of year.

Is it preferable prospects not be great athletes? I understand the fear of prospects who did nothing during the season yet explode at the combine, but Merriman has been very productive and is extremely agressive with a football body. He's also been very durable. He was a highly regarded east coast recruit. This isn't a Mike Mamula situation.

[Hostile]

Did he have a 40" verical leap or was that 40 reps of 225 pounds on the bench? I have convinced myself of both and still don't know.

[Qwickdraw]

He had a 40" vertical.
That's insane.
And a 4.6 40 at 6'4" 275.
This guy is amazing.

He did 25 reps on the bench at the combine. He did no bench press at the pro day.






Thanks again Hos. I feel like a new man.

[zagnut]

The guys who are surprising to me are Domonique Foxworth and Chris Kelly. I've posted on them before in the Draft board. I see quite a few Maryland games.

Foxworth has great man-to-man coverage skills. Not the biggest guy, but I thought he might be there in the 4th round and would help someone out a lot (hoped it would be us). Looks like he could be drafted earlier given his much better than expected combine results.

Chris Kelly I thought would be a major steal late in the draft or as an undrafted free agent. He hasn't played safety very long (he was a QB), but really came into his own this year. Has had some bad luck with injuries that prevented continuing at QB. The team had to move on with other QBs. Agressive hitter with good speed. Kind of hyper. Always jumping around after the big hit, knockin' around teammates. I see him starting for someone down the road once he learns a bit more about being a FS. I was not expecting 4.46. He's fast, but he's not that kind of fast.

[Avery]

I think we can all agree that there are going to be some quality athletes available at #11.

[Qwickdraw]

Does anybody think that there's a chance that DJ falls to 11?
And if so, would you be surprised to see BP pass on him?

[Champsheart]

Does anybody think that there's a chance that DJ falls to 11?
And if so, would you be surprised to see BP pass on him?

After what we did in the first round last year I do not think anything he does would suprise me.

[zagnut]

Does anybody think that there's a chance that DJ falls to 11?
And if so, would you be surprised to see BP pass on him?

not really on topic, but I think there's a remote chance he could be there and I think there is a remote chance the Cowboys would pass on him. I think he's such an easy pick at 11 for the organization.

The thing I love about DJ is the turnovers he create largely by himself. He doesn't take on any lineman, but I'm not sure if that's by design or because he doesn't like it. Not taking on linemen hasn't exactly led to fewer tackles for a loss. He is usually attacking the ball carrier and moving much faster than almost anyone else on the field. Why would he need to wait on the OLineman and take on a block?

Hey, how 'bout those Maryland players? :D

[Bobo]

NFL.com says 4.66 and 4.69, still very good.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/individual_workouts

40" vert, 4.24 SS, and 10'1" broad jump.

[InmanRoshi]

Merriman had 8.5 sacks in a role where he had to drop back into coverage a good percentage of the time. David "Maybe he's not the greatest athlete, but all he does is make plays" Pollack had 9.5 sacks rushing the QB full time. He also had 17 TFL's which puts him up there with anyone in this class. He had 22 sacks in 3 years without taking a redshirt.

Merriman was a pretty productive football player. I think it surprised people he declared as a junior, since he really doesn't have a defined position and he's still so young because he's a true junior. I will agree that he hasn't hit his potential yet, but he's improved every year and I like a Top 15 pick with a little ceiling still on him.

[junk]

not really on topic, but I think there's a remote chance he could be there and I think there is a remote chance the Cowboys would pass on him. I think he's such an easy pick at 11 for the organization.

The thing I love about DJ is the turnovers he create largely by himself. He doesn't take on any lineman, but I'm not sure if that's by design or because he doesn't like it. Not taking on linemen hasn't exactly led to fewer tackles for a loss. He is usually attacking the ball carrier and moving much faster than almost anyone else on the field. Why would he need to wait on the OLineman and take on a block?

Hey, how 'bout those Maryland players? :D

The OL in the NFL are a little better than the OL in college.

Frankly, a LB that doesn't take on blocks scares me, but he is a playmaker. In the right scheme, he could be good. I think he has to be a WLB.

[Bobo]

Merriman had 8.5 sacks in a role where he had to drop back into coverage a good percentage of the time. David "Maybe he's not the greatest athlete, but all he does is make plays" Pollack had 9.5 sacks rushing the QB full time. He also had 17 TFL's which puts him up there with anyone in this class. He had 22 sacks in 3 years without taking a redshirt.

How do you know Pollack was asked to rush the QB full time? A de's job isn't always to do that. And Pollack had 12.5 sacks, not 9.5. Now I don't know who's better, but it sounds like you're slighting Pollack.

[SuspectCorner]

it's no secret that merriman can leap. we've been reading for months the guy can "jump thru the roof".

[LesPaul]

Personal: Shawne Merriman is the son of Gloria Williams ... majoring in criminology and criminal justice ... thought of and helped organize a coat drive at one of this past year's basketball game that brought in over 3,200 coats for the "Creative Community for Non-Violence" shelter.

Now that sounds like a guy that we shouldn't have to worry about charactor issues.

[jimmy40]

After the workout, Merriman may have just leap frogged DJ as first LB taken in the draft. He may not be avail to us at #11. Better think of someone else to pick at #11 or else trade down.Not that hard to leapfrog when the other guy's not working out.

[jimmy40]

The OL in the NFL are a little better than the OL in college.

Frankly, a LB that doesn't take on blocks scares me, but he is a playmaker. In the right scheme, he could be good. I think he has to be a WLB.Dat must scare the hell out of you then.

[jimmy40]

He had a 40" vertical.
That's insane.
And a 4.6 40 at 6'4" 275.
This guy is amazing.

He did 25 reps on the bench at the combine. He did no bench press at the pro day.






Thanks again Hos. I feel like a new man.He's Charles Barkley.

[Thick 'N Hearty]

nice stuff.

I didn't know Merriman had gotten to 275 and still was running a 4.6. He has the agility to be a DE/LB. That's gotta help him.

One thing I do notice is every year there are about 100+ guys who are can go in round one.

I don't see a 6-4, 275 DE playing at LB.

[jimmy40]

I don't see a 6-4, 275 DE playing at LB.He's a tweener which means he may fail at two positions instead of one. The question is do you take the chance? I haven't seen enough of Merriman to really give an honest opinion so I won't.

[VA Cowboy]

He's a tweener which means he may fail at two positions instead of one.


Good one :)

[AsthmaField]

I don't see a 6-4, 275 DE playing at LB.
He played at like 255-260. He just bulked up for the combine to show NFL teams he could put size on for DE.

I'd expect him to play about 260 if the team wanted him to... or try to stay at 275 if the team wanted.

[zagnut]

He's a tweener which means he may fail at two positions instead of one. The question is do you take the chance? I haven't seen enough of Merriman to really give an honest opinion so I won't.

He's not a tweener. A tweener is someone who doesn't have a position. Too small to be a DE, too slow to be an OLB.

Merriman is a prospect at two positions. There's a difference. He is both big enough to play DE (with the frame to get even bigger) and fast and agile enough to play outside linebacker, likely in a 3-4 but possibly even in a 4-3.

[DWAREZ]

it's no secret that merriman can leap. we've been reading for months the guy can "jump thru the roof".

As long as he is jumping in the backfield smashing the QB I will be a happy camper :)

[ghettogandhi]

How do you know Pollack was asked to rush the QB full time? A de's job isn't always to do that. And Pollack had 12.5 sacks, not 9.5. Now I don't know who's better, but it sounds like you're slighting Pollack.

There is a reason the scouts like Merriman more than Pollack-

Merriman has a great motor, great size-speed and intangibles. And all he does on the field is make plays- but I do agree that he must be in a 3-4 to be successful-

He is not big enough to be a full time de and he is not mobile enough to be a full time outside backer.

THe fact of the matter is Merriman has a higher ceiling- he is still growing as was shown by the fact that he gained 17 lbs and didnt lose any speed

[Bobo]

Ghetto, what scouts are you talking to?

He gained 17 lbs and didn't lose any speed? So all this 4.4 and 4.5 talk we read about was BS?

[ghettogandhi]

Ghetto, what scouts are you talking to?

He gained 17 lbs and didn't lose any speed? So all this 4.4 and 4.5 talk we read about was BS?

you never read anything stating Merriman ran a 4.3 or 4.4 - if so I challenge you to produce that document.

as for the scouts- read the draft sites and espn etc and it is all about the potential he has

[zagnut]

Never heard 4.4 either, but Merriman himself said after his pro day that he was expecting to be in the 4.5 range. That's what he had been running at the start of the season. Most likely this was hand-timed and timed by his coaches, not scouts.

It's not beyond the realm that he would have run slightly faster at 250 lbs than he does at 275 lbs., or that he hasn't been training quite the same as he would be training if he were still in the Maryland program.

[Bobo]

you never read anything stating Merriman ran a 4.3 or 4.4 - if so I challenge you to produce that document.

as for the scouts- read the draft sites and espn etc and it is all about the potential he has

1st, you never read me saying anything about 4.3. Don't try to exagerate what I'm saying, stick with the subject matter please. I did read things saying he'd have awesome speed like 4.4-4.5, so don't tell me what I read. Now I didn't say he did or didn't run any time ever....know why? I've never timed the guy :rolleyes: I supposed most of that stuff was draft hype/speculation and I didn't expect him to run that fast.

You said he had "great speed", so I figured you'd have an idea what he ran, since you're the resident Merriman homer. I don't consider 4.66-4.69 great speed, but I did think that maybe he was faster before and the added weight could have slowed him down.

I don't know of any scout that works for a NFL team (that is a scout that can be taken more seriously than what you read on your average draft site or ESPN) that has talked about Merriman vs Pollack. If you have a link, please post it, I'd be interested in hearing their opinion. But a lot of these draft sites are mostly if not only going by #'s, which Merriman has the better of for the most part (that is work out #'s, not production), so that to some of them = a better player. That's stuff I can't take too seriously.

[DLCassidy]

I smell a 'roid rat here. The guy is listed at 245-249 and a few months later he's 275? How? Sounds like he's into Barry Bonds flax seed oil.

[ghettogandhi]

[QUOTE=Bobo]

You said he had "great speed", so I figured you'd have an idea what he ran, since you're the resident Merriman homer. I don't consider 4.66-4.69 great speed, but I did think that maybe he was faster before and the added weight could have slowed him down.

4.56-4.65 for a de/lb is very good speed- how many de's run faster than that-

adding the weight that he did and maintaining the same level of speed is truly impressive- I may be the resident homer but you are the resident idiot

[ghettogandhi]

1st, you never read me saying anything about 4.3. Don't try to exagerate what I'm saying, stick with the subject matter please. I did read things saying he'd have awesome speed like 4.4-4.5, so don't tell me what I read. Now I didn't say he did or didn't run any time ever....know why? I've never timed the guy :rolleyes: I supposed most of that stuff was draft hype/speculation and I didn't expect him to run that fast.

You said he had "great speed", so I figured you'd have an idea what he ran, since you're the resident Merriman homer. I don't consider 4.66-4.69 great speed, but I did think that maybe he was faster before and the added weight could have slowed him down.

I don't know of any scout that works for a NFL team (that is a scout that can be taken more seriously than what you read on your average draft site or ESPN) that has talked about Merriman vs Pollack. If you have a link, please post it, I'd be interested in hearing their opinion. But a lot of these draft sites are mostly if not only going by #'s, which Merriman has the better of for the most part (that is work out #'s, not production), so that to some of them = a better player. That's stuff I can't take too seriously.

How is it that every sports site has reported that Merriman is the fastest rising player in the draft while morons like you - who have never seen him play- want to stand up and shout that he is the next Mamula, that he is over rated etc?

lets look at the facts- he is young- Pollack is two years older-Merriman got 8.5 sacks and over 80 tackles while playing the elephant backer and de position. Merriman increased his weight by 17 lbs and didnt lose any speed- thats not my word that is the word of espn after his workout-

Merriman is jacked- he is all muscle and he still has the frame to put on more weight if needed.

Im not discounting Pollack because I have only seen him play once - I am simply funneling the information that I have from having watched Merriman for two years now- he was simply a playmaker on the Md defense - he did everything and did almost everything very well-

His one weakness is dropping in coverage- he doesnt turn his hips as easy as you would like- therefore he would be ideal in a 3-4 set up.

Merrimans vertical- which directly correlates to ones ability to explode or react quicklyand effectively- was over 40"

his 40 time for a de was great - for a olb in a 3-4 it was great - for a olb in a 4-3 it was good -

- his size,speed,age,upside,playmaking ability and his workout habits all play into the fact that he is in everyones top 15 at this point while others such as Pollack are in the 20's

[Bobo]

[QUOTE=Bobo]

You said he had "great speed", so I figured you'd have an idea what he ran, since you're the resident Merriman homer. I don't consider 4.66-4.69 great speed, but I did think that maybe he was faster before and the added weight could have slowed him down.

4.56-4.65 for a de/lb is very good speed- how many de's run faster than that-

adding the weight that he did and maintaining the same level of speed is truly impressive- I may be the resident homer but you are the resident idiot

NFL.com says 4.66 and 4.69....but I should have guessed you'd spout off better times :rolleyes: I'm not suprised you've resorted to name calling, for some strange reason, I expected it from you. Oh, btw, before you call someone else an idiot and a moron, you should know that I never called him the next anybody :rolleyes:

Don't waste your time with me, get back to your more important posts like.....

I was the very 1st person in history to recognize Merriman's talent!!!! I'm a freakin genius!!!! You can feel free to jump on MY bandwagon as long as all of you ackowledge that is MY bandwagon because I alone found it and therfor my internet penis is bigger than yours!!!! And Rack is wack!!!!!