View Full Version : Alex Smith' Pro Day
Avery
03-16-2005, 04:12 PM
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8297183
All 32 teams were represented at the workout, including San Diego, who had originally decided not to attend but changed their mind. Over 100 personnel were there, including Lions offensive coordinator Ted Tollner, Browns GM Phil Savage and scout Bill Reese, Cardinals executive Rod Graves, 49ers head coach Mike Nolan and offensive coordinator Mike McCarthy and Dolphins new head coach Nick Saban. That's naming just a few.
Smith did positional drills only indoors at the D. Glen Smith Center. He threw to Utah receivers Steve Savoy and Paris Warren and running back Marty Johnson. All three of those guys are draft eligible, so they were working out for the scouts as well.
I've been coming to private workouts for decades, but this is the first time I can remember a player receiving a standing ovation from his audience. He was lights out. Smith threw for 45 minutes, and in that time, only one ball wasn't catchable, and that was at the end of the session when Savoy's tongue was hanging out after being run all over the field.
Larry Kennan, now the head of the NFL coaches' association, ran the workout. Smith was previously thought of as a shotgun quarterback because of Utah's offense, but Smith and Kennan mapped out a great scripted workout that saw Smith make all the throws -- three-step drops, five-step drops, play-action passes, deep passes, crossing routes, roll-out passes and of course the deep routes. In fact, Smith threw 62 yards to a receiver standing on the goal line, and the pass was perfect.
They don't call this "Money Week" for nothing, and I am sure that Smith feels like he helped himself get into position to be the first quarterback taken, and possibly the first player taken, in April's draft.
Have to give props to my Utah boy. :D
ABQCOWBOY
03-16-2005, 04:17 PM
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8297183
All 32 teams were represented at the workout, including San Diego, who had originally decided not to attend but changed their mind. Over 100 personnel were there, including Lions offensive coordinator Ted Tollner, Browns GM Phil Savage and scout Bill Reese, Cardinals executive Rod Graves, 49ers head coach Mike Nolan and offensive coordinator Mike McCarthy and Dolphins new head coach Nick Saban. That's naming just a few.
Smith did positional drills only indoors at the D. Glen Smith Center. He threw to Utah receivers Steve Savoy and Paris Warren and running back Marty Johnson. All three of those guys are draft eligible, so they were working out for the scouts as well.
I've been coming to private workouts for decades, but this is the first time I can remember a player receiving a standing ovation from his audience. He was lights out. Smith threw for 45 minutes, and in that time, only one ball wasn't catchable, and that was at the end of the session when Savoy's tongue was hanging out after being run all over the field.
Larry Kennan, now the head of the NFL coaches' association, ran the workout. Smith was previously thought of as a shotgun quarterback because of Utah's offense, but Smith and Kennan mapped out a great scripted workout that saw Smith make all the throws -- three-step drops, five-step drops, play-action passes, deep passes, crossing routes, roll-out passes and of course the deep routes. In fact, Smith threw 62 yards to a receiver standing on the goal line, and the pass was perfect.
They don't call this "Money Week" for nothing, and I am sure that Smith feels like he helped himself get into position to be the first quarterback taken, and possibly the first player taken, in April's draft.
Have to give props to my Utah boy. :D
As if on Q. I know Avery knows about Smith as well but fellas, I'm telling you, I have not seen a better QB this year and maybe not in the last few. Carson Palmer was a nice QB but Smith is the real deal IMO. I would love to have an opportunity to draft him but it will never happen.
As if on Q. I know Avery knows about Smith as well but fellas, I'm telling you, I have not seen a better QB this year and maybe not in the last few. Carson Palmer was a nice QB but Smith is the real deal IMO. I would love to have an opportunity to draft him but it will never happen.
Why doesn't he get the hype? Just because of where he plays? Just curious, I haven't ever seen the guy play.
Sounds like a pretty good workout to me.
btcutter
03-16-2005, 04:55 PM
Why doesn't he get the hype? Just because of where he plays? Just curious, I haven't ever seen the guy play.
Sounds like a pretty good workout to me.
people are afraid that he turns out to be another David Klinger (byproduct of the system)
ABQCOWBOY
03-16-2005, 05:03 PM
Why doesn't he get the hype? Just because of where he plays? Just curious, I haven't ever seen the guy play.
Sounds like a pretty good workout to me.
He play's int he MWC which means he doesn't get a lot of pub. Most believe he's a system QB but in reality, he's not. He wasn't highly recruited out of HS so he's really only had two seasons in which to impress people. Basically, he doesn't fit the normal profile most big time QBs do. IE, he must not be that good.
Teams that pass thing player up are going to make a huge mistake IMO. They will live to regreat it. This, of course, assumes anybody gets the opportunity to pass him up.
Paniolo22
03-16-2005, 05:11 PM
I'd take him at 11 and let him battle out the future with Henson. Then trade the loser.
dbair1967
03-16-2005, 05:15 PM
people are afraid that he turns out to be another David Klinger (byproduct of the system)
I was gonna post the same thing...I see alot of similarities
David
dbair1967
03-16-2005, 05:15 PM
I'd take him at 11 and let him battle out the future with Henson. Then trade the loser.
before the salary cap, maybe
with things the way they are now...no way in hell...would be really stupid
David
bbgun
03-16-2005, 05:18 PM
Everything you wrote was once written about Jeff George's phenomenal workout. It guarantees zilch.
ABQCOWBOY
03-16-2005, 05:20 PM
I was gonna post the same thing...I see alot of similarities
David
I suspect you would not say this if you had the opportunity to watch this player. It's really a shame more people have not gotten the opportunity.
ABQCOWBOY
03-16-2005, 05:21 PM
Everything you wrote was once written about Jeff George's phenomenal workout. It guarantees zilch.
To whom, do you refere?
dbair1967
03-16-2005, 05:22 PM
I suspect you would not say this if you had the opportunity to watch this player. It's really a shame more people have not gotten the opportunity.
I've seen him play a couple times and he was excellent in that system against mostly mediocre opponents, but I dont see anything remotely close to Troy Aikman-John Elway type skills
he's just another average to above average prospect thats gonna be picked earlier than normal because this is an awful QB draft
David
followthestar
03-16-2005, 05:23 PM
the more offensive players go in the top 10, the more we have a chance of getting the guy we want among the top defenders. with probably 3 RBs and two QBs, as well as possibly 3 WRs, we will have a lot of good choices left to us.
i read the sportingnews draft guide on both QBs, but this workout seems to dispel all the question marks about him. he'll go to SF - book it. speaking of SF, what happened to that rivalry? they just fell right off the face of the earth... couldn't happen to a nicer bunch, with the exception of the eagles and the redskins!!!
btcutter
03-16-2005, 05:25 PM
Everything you wrote was once written about Jeff George's phenomenal workout. It guarantees zilch.
If I am not mistaken, Jeff George couldn't win worth a lick in college and even before the draft someone said he's not tough enough for the NFL. But of couse some teams fell in love with his arm.
Alex Smith has proven to be a winner. I don't know how good he will be but he'll definately be better than Jeff George.
dbair1967
03-16-2005, 05:38 PM
If I am not mistaken, Jeff George couldn't win worth a lick in college and even before the draft someone said he's not tough enough for the NFL. But of couse some teams fell in love with his arm.
Alex Smith has proven to be a winner. I don't know how good he will be but he'll definately be better than Jeff George.
Steve Walsh won alot in college too...terrible nfl qb though
David
ABQCOWBOY
03-16-2005, 05:43 PM
I've seen him play a couple times and he was excellent in that system against mostly mediocre opponents, but I dont see anything remotely close to Troy Aikman-John Elway type skills
he's just another average to above average prospect thats gonna be picked earlier than normal because this is an awful QB draft
David
This is completely untrue. It really is unfortunate. Alex Smith is as intelligent a QB as your ever going to find. He is a guy who is all about winning and has none of the BS ego that comes with the Jeff George's of the world. You say he doesn't have the skills of an Aikman or an Elway and by that, I assume you mean arm strength. That's true but I will tell you that there is nothing wrong with Smith's arm. As far as mobility, he is better then either one of the two you mentioned. He is likely more intelligent as well. I would put Smith's productivity up against any QBs and fell pretty good about it. You say he hasn't played anybody but the fact is that he has played against decent talent in his career. The guy lost one game in two years. I don't know how you can look at his production and come to the conclusion that he is not a nice QB prospect.
ABQCOWBOY
03-16-2005, 05:47 PM
Steve Walsh won alot in college too...terrible nfl qb though
David
Steve Walsh played at Miami with more NFL talent around him then SF probably has right this minute. Steve Walsh had a weak arm that failed/showed through in the NFL. You really need to do your home work on Smith. You are comparing him to players that he is fare superior to in vertually every aspect. 2 games was clearly not enough for you to see what kind of talent Alex Smith really is David.
Avery
03-16-2005, 07:44 PM
Smith is going to be a pretty good NFL QB in my mind. Elite? Not so sure. He'll struggle in the Niners (or Browns) system the first few years simply because they are both poor teams no supporting cast. He's a guy that is going to get things done on the next level and not one you'll have to show to the weight room or worry if he's going to get a DUI after a party.
He would've been picked after Manning and Big Ben if they were in the same draft. He's got some serious upside to him though.
jksmith269
03-16-2005, 08:01 PM
Alex Smith in two seasons as the starter at Utah has thrown like 60td's+/- and less than 10int's.......He graduated in 2.5years with close to a 4.0 I dont remember what field it was in but it was not in baskett weaving....He is a very good QB and if he stays healthy I think he will have a better career than any recent QB other than maybe Peyton.....I also think QB's like Klingler and George which have been mentioned did not do as well in the NFL was more because the teams they went to than anything else.....Its like this if Steve young would have stayed in Tampa he would never had made the HOF but thats part of the Game some will survive and others won't.........
dbair1967
03-16-2005, 08:29 PM
This is completely untrue. It really is unfortunate. Alex Smith is as intelligent a QB as your ever going to find. He is a guy who is all about winning and has none of the BS ego that comes with the Jeff George's of the world. You say he doesn't have the skills of an Aikman or an Elway and by that, I assume you mean arm strength. That's true but I will tell you that there is nothing wrong with Smith's arm. As far as mobility, he is better then either one of the two you mentioned. He is likely more intelligent as well. I would put Smith's productivity up against any QBs and fell pretty good about it. You say he hasn't played anybody but the fact is that he has played against decent talent in his career. The guy lost one game in two years. I don't know how you can look at his production and come to the conclusion that he is not a nice QB prospect.
I can list you a 100 QB's who posted numbers simialr or better than his that busted in the NFL
I can also find alot of QB's with similar winning % or even better that busted in the NFL
if you think this guy is up there with some of the alltime great QB prospects thats fine, but you'd be in a major minority...this guy isnt even remotely close physically to prospects like Aikman, Elway etc etc
David
Sandman52
03-17-2005, 12:03 AM
What are Smith's measurables? He's not small like Rodgers, is he?
I'd be surprised if the Niners passed on Rodgers.
I was in San Francisco a few weeks ago for a convention and had an opportunity to speak with a handful of reporters from the Chronicle. From everyone I spoke to in that area, they think Rodgers walks on water, that he's the most accurate quarterback to ever come along and that the Niners are salivating over him.
We'll see!
SuspectCorner
03-17-2005, 01:13 AM
...I'm telling you, I have not seen a better QB this year and maybe not in the last few.
he'd be playing "second fiddle" in this years draft if that posterboy for campus life, matt leinart, had declared for the upcoming draft.
i think charlie frye will be the better QB - "small school program" or not.
BrAinPaiNt
03-17-2005, 07:16 AM
Take this for what it is worth.
But on sportscenter this morning they were talking about the workout, about how he got a standing ovation and then they said that an NFL scout said that it was the best workout he had seen by a QB since Troy Aikman's workout before his draft.
ravidubey
03-17-2005, 08:27 AM
This guy will not last past the top five picks.
HipHop
03-17-2005, 08:43 AM
I can list you a 100 QB's who posted numbers simialr or better than his that busted in the NFL
I can also find alot of QB's with similar winning % or even better that busted in the NFL
if you think this guy is up there with some of the alltime great QB prospects thats fine, but you'd be in a major minority...this guy isnt even remotely close physically to prospects like Aikman, Elway etc etc
David
Having never seen Alex Smith play, and not really taking the time to learn about him or form an opinion on him....I wanted to weigh in on a few things. ;)
First....David....you seem to be taking just an Anti-Smith stance. It seems as though you're simply reluctant to give this guy credit. You don't like him, thats fine. Again, I have no opinion on him.
But you're not making much sense. When someone mentions how he was a winning QB in college, you counter with Steve Walsh. You also say that Smith reminds you of Klinger because he's just a system QB.
And lastly you say that Smith isn't near the physical speciman that Troy Aikman or John Elway is/was.
Well....is Tom Brady? How about Jake Delhomme? Doug Flutie? Neither of them are incredible physical specimans, but they manage to have pretty solid careers. And those are just a few examples.
And Alex Smith does not have a weak arm. The article states that he hit a receiver 62 yards down the field. I just watched the QB Challenge on NFL Network this past weekend, where NFL starting QB's had a competition to see who could throw the ball the farthest. While I don't remember who won, I do know that the winner only threw it 64 yards. Most were around 55-60 yards.
Sounds like he has the arm.
So basically....he's a smart QB with good size. Needs to develop another year (based on what people say), he's young, and has a decent arm.
I'd say he's the first QB taken, and I think he'll be a successful QB in the NFL.
Dayton Cowboy
03-17-2005, 08:44 AM
Alex Smith in two seasons as the starter at Utah has thrown like 60td's+/- and less than 10int's.......He graduated in 2.5years with close to a 4.0 I dont remember what field it was in but it was not in baskett weaving....He is a very good QB and if he stays healthy I think he will have a better career than any recent QB other than maybe Peyton.....I also think QB's like Klingler and George which have been mentioned did not do as well in the NFL was more because the teams they went to than anything else.....Its like this if Steve young would have stayed in Tampa he would never had made the HOF but thats part of the Game some will survive and others won't.........
it was economics
also did not realize he was the nephew of Michigan State head coach John L. Smith..
see his nfl.com draft profile below
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/smith_alex_qb
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http://images.nfl.com/images/draft/2005/mugs/smith_alex_qb.jpg Alex Smith
Position: Quarterback
College: Utah
Height: 6-3
Weight: 212
Hometown: La Mesa, Calif.
Analysis | Injury Report | Agility | High School | Personal
OVERVIEW
Smith is one of those rare scholar-athletes who has excelled both on and off the football field … He graduated after only two years of school with a bachelor's degree in Economics, attaining a 3.74 grade-point average, and is currently pursuing his master's degree … He boasts a 21-1 record as a starter and became the first player in school history to be a finalist for the Heisman Trophy, given to college football's premier player … The Sporting News' 2004 National Offensive Player of the Year also has a career touchdown-to-interception ratio of 6.1:1, best among all passers that played college football last season … Smith was a two-time conference Offensive Player of the Year at Helix (Calif.) High School, where he guided the team to a 25-1 record during his last two seasons … He was named a National Football Foundation and College Hall of Fame Scholar-Athlete, as he graduated 13th in a class of 430 … As a prep senior, Smith completed 66 percent of his passes (second-highest season total in San Diego CIF history) for 1,704 yards, 17 touchdowns and four interceptions … He only appeared briefly in two games for Utah in 2002, attempting one pass vs. New Mexico and completing two of four attempts for four yards and an interception vs. San Diego State … Smith played behind Brett Elliott at the start of the 2003 season, but was inserted into the starting lineup the third game vs. California … He went on to pick up All-Mountain West Conference second-team honors, as he ranked second in the nation with a touchdown-to-interception ratio of 5:1. At one point, Smith threw 180 consecutive passes without an interception … His 64.8 pass-completion percentage was the best in the MWC and the second-best season total in school history. Smith hit on 173 of 266 attempts for 2,247 yards, 15 touchdowns and three interceptions. He also gained 452 yards with five scores on 149 carries (3.0 avg.) … To cap off the season, Smith also was awarded CoSIDA Academic All-District VIII honors … The 2004 season was a magical one for Smith and the team, which finished with its highest national ranking in the 110 years of Utah football … He ranked fifth in the nation in total offense, averaging 298.58 yards per game … Only Louisville's Stefan Lefors had a better pass-efficiency rating than Smith's 176.52 among the nation's quarterbacks … He gained 2,952 yards on 214 of 317 passes (67.5 percent), with 32 touchdowns and only four interceptions and was a finalist for the Walter Camp and Davey O'Brien Awards … The Mountain West Conference Offensive Player of the Year finished his career with 5,208 yards on 389 of 587 passing (66.3 percent), 47 touchdowns and only eight interceptions, setting school career records for pass-completion percentage, passer efficiency (162.7) and yards gained per completion (13.5) … He also totaled 1,072 yards with 10 touchdowns on 286 carries (4.7 avg.) … Only Scott Mitchell (8,836, 1987-89) and Mike McCoy (7,559, 1992-94) gained more yards in total offense than Smith's 6,280 as a Ute.
ANAYLSIS
Smith is a highly intelligent athlete who comes from a family full of football tradition … His father, Doug, played at Weber State and his uncle, John L. Smith, is the present head coach at Michigan State … He is a tall, lanky quarterback with excellent quickness and change-of-direction agility, but needs to add a few pounds of bulk in order to absorb punishment better at the next level … Shows very good accuracy in the short-to-intermediate areas, but does not have a cannon for an arm to be a "homerun threat" on his deep throws … Does a good job of squaring his shoulders and delivering the ball on target consistently, but operates mostly out of the shotgun … WWhen lining up under center, he has the foot speed to get back, but shows some difficulty setting his feet (will slide out from under him at times) and is prone to throwing off his back foot, moreso than when he takes the shotgun snap … Not the type that will throw the ball up for grabs, doing a very good job of scanning the field for secondary targets before tossing the ball away rather than forcing it into traffic … Used to have "happy feet" at the first sign of pressure, but improved considerably in this area last season, though he is still apt to run with the ball if he spots a free lane … For a player of his size and lean frame, he has been relatively injury-free during his career … Shows very good ability to hit his targets in stride and is quick to see and feel the pass rush … It is very rare that he will make a bad throw, but there are times when he is caught in the backfield because he held on to the ball too long (seven of his 13 sacks led to fumbles) … Shows good accuracy when on the run, but does lose some velocity behind his deep tosses when rolling out … Smith is a quiet leader with the toughness to take a hit … Has no trouble avoiding the rush and is quick to pick up the blitz … Shows alertness to make calls at the line of scrimmage and will create big plays out of nothing when forced to tuck and run with the ball … However, he needs to secure the ball better, as he has had a rash of fumbles due to arm tackles … Has enough arm strength to throw the 18-yard comeback and deep outs with zip and timing … His scrambling ability affords him time to make the throws and he does a nice job of feathering the ball over receivers' heads … On long tosses, Smith has adequate strength, but tends to throw too close to the defender rather than to the sideline side of his target … Overall, he has very good upside, but he would be better served in a wide-open attack, where he is better at improvising … Operating mostly out of the shotgun is a concern due to his footwork driving back from center.
INJURY REPORT
No injuries reported.
AGILITY
4.7 in the 40-yard dash … 335-pound bench press … 31-inch vertical jump.
HIGH SCHOOL
Attended Helix (Calif.) High School, earning All-CIF, all-conference, all-county, team MVP and National Football Foundation and Hall of Fame Scholar-Athlete honors … He was twice named the conference's Offensive Player of the Year and served as team captain as a junior and senior … Completed 66 percent of his passes for 1,704 yards, 30 touchdowns and only four interceptions as a senior … Also set a school single-game record with six touchdown passes in 2001 … His 66 percent pass-completion rate was the second-best season total in San Diego CIF history … Served as class president and graduated 13th in a class of 430.
PERSONAL
Graduated in May 2003 after only two years at Utah with a bachelor's degree in Economics … Presently pursuing his master's in that field … Father, Doug, played football at Weber State, where his mother, Pam, also attended … One of his sisters plays soccer at Cal State Northridge … His uncle, John L. Smith, is the head football coach at Michigan State … Born Alexander D. Smith on May 7, 1984 in Seattle, Wash. … Resides in La Mesa, Calif.
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Avery
03-17-2005, 09:05 AM
Having never seen Alex Smith play, and not really taking the time to learn about him or form an opinion on him....I wanted to weigh in on a few things. ;)
First....David....you seem to be taking just an Anti-Smith stance. It seems as though you're simply reluctant to give this guy credit. You don't like him, thats fine. Again, I have no opinion on him.
But you're not making much sense. When someone mentions how he was a winning QB in college, you counter with Steve Walsh. You also say that Smith reminds you of Klinger because he's just a system QB.
And lastly you say that Smith isn't near the physical speciman that Troy Aikman or John Elway is/was.
Well....is Tom Brady? How about Jake Delhomme? Doug Flutie? Neither of them are incredible physical specimans, but they manage to have pretty solid careers. And those are just a few examples.
And Alex Smith does not have a weak arm. The article states that he hit a receiver 62 yards down the field. I just watched the QB Challenge on NFL Network this past weekend, where NFL starting QB's had a competition to see who could throw the ball the farthest. While I don't remember who won, I do know that the winner only threw it 64 yards. Most were around 55-60 yards.
Sounds like he has the arm.
So basically....he's a smart QB with good size. Needs to develop another year (based on what people say), he's young, and has a decent arm.
I'd say he's the first QB taken, and I think he'll be a successful QB in the NFL.
Great post.
Elway had a freak arm. Same with Aikman. They were both #1 overall picks and considered to be some of the greats in the game.
Smith is no Aikman, but I will say that he's the best decision-making QB I've seen in recent memory. He doesn't make mistakes. I have the feeling that he'll live up to that billing on the NFL level as well.
HipHop
03-17-2005, 09:10 AM
Great post.
Elway had a freak arm. Same with Aikman. They were both #1 overall picks and considered to be some of the greats in the game.
Smith is no Aikman, but I will say that he's the best decision-making QB I've seen in recent memory. He doesn't make mistakes. I have the feeling that he'll live up to that billing on the NFL level as well.
I think we naturally fall in love with the 6'5" 230lb QB that can cannon the ball anywhere on the field.... but the reality is its the smart QB's that make the best decisions are the ones that are the most successful in todays NFL.
SmellsLikeTuna
03-17-2005, 09:34 AM
I think we naturally fall in love with the 6'5" 230lb QB that can cannon the ball anywhere on the field.... but the reality is its the smart QB's that make the best decisions are the ones that are the most successful in todays NFL.
and Alex Smith is one smart mf'er!! Early in the College football year When I first started hearing about Alex Smith....that was they were saying.....he's freaky smart. Picked up a complicated Utah offensive system in no time and was a first-class student. He proved throughout the college season and at his workout that he has the physical tools. He doesn't go any later than 2nd overall.
ABQCOWBOY
03-17-2005, 09:41 AM
I can list you a 100 QB's who posted numbers simialr or better than his that busted in the NFL
I can also find alot of QB's with similar winning % or even better that busted in the NFL
if you think this guy is up there with some of the alltime great QB prospects thats fine, but you'd be in a major minority...this guy isnt even remotely close physically to prospects like Aikman, Elway etc etc
David
100 Division One QBs hugh? List em.
joseephuss
03-17-2005, 09:53 AM
Jeff George came out of college with attitude problems. People fell in love with his arm and thought they could ignore his mentality and attitude.
I never understood why guys were enamored with David Klingler. Andre Ware had already shown that it was the system that made the QB at UH. He was a tall lumbering QB.
Alex Smith seems to carry himself pretty well. His system may have helped his numbers, but UCLA and Stanford tailored their offensive systems around Aikman and Elway, respectively. USC runs a system that is good for their QBs as well. I have seen a few Utah games and Smith was calm and cool, made good throws and could run pretty well.
Smith doesn't have the physical tools of Aikman and Elway, but how many top notch QBs do. There are plenty of QBs in the Hall of Fame that don't throw the ball like Aikman and Elway.
Steve Walsh won in college because of all the talent around him. Craig Erickson did the same thing. Even Vinny was able to lead essentially the same Miami team that Walsh had(probably even more talented) to a national championship game apperance. That is a system that just plugs in guys and continues to roll. Utah would not have been successful without Smith.
Everything is a crap shoot, but I like Smith's chance of being successful at the next level.
dbair1967
03-17-2005, 06:10 PM
100 Division One QBs hugh? List em.
over time smart arse
David
ABQCOWBOY
03-17-2005, 06:51 PM
over time smart arse
David
OK, I'm game. List them, over time. Keep in mind, first two years of starting experience.
dbair1967
03-17-2005, 07:12 PM
OK, I'm game. List them, over time. Keep in mind, first two years of starting experience.
who cares what years of starting exp?
like I said...decent prospect but being overvalued greatly because this is a terrible QB class...any typical QB crop and he probably wouldnt be a 1st rd pick
David
ABQCOWBOY
03-17-2005, 07:30 PM
who cares what years of starting exp?
like I said...decent prospect but being overvalued greatly because this is a terrible QB class...any typical QB crop and he probably wouldnt be a 1st rd pick
David
OK, then use all four years for your 100. Doesn't really matter, he's gonna stack up real well against anybodies numbers.
Tell you what, why don't you give me a typical QB class and we can break down the first round QBs taken in those classes. Then we can see just how A-Typical this QB class really is. In actuallity, there are no less then 6 or 7 QBs who could be good NFL prospects. You got Smith, Rogers, Frye, Campbell, Walter, Orton, Fitzpatrick and Leflores. Actually, I think that's 8. This is not all that bad a QB class.
dbair1967
03-17-2005, 07:35 PM
OK, then use all four years for your 100. Doesn't really matter, he's gonna stack up real well against anybodies numbers.
Tell you what, why don't you give me a typical QB class and we can break down the first round QBs taken in those classes. Then we can see just how A-Typical this QB class really is. In actuallity, there are no less then 6 or 7 QBs who could be good NFL prospects. You got Smith, Rogers, Frye, Campbell, Walter, Orton, Fitzpatrick and Leflores. Actually, I think that's 8. This is not all that bad a QB class.
oh man
:rolleyes:
David
ABQCOWBOY
03-17-2005, 07:41 PM
oh man
:rolleyes:
David
Alas....... no 100 I fear.
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