Giants Vs. Cardinals

[Hoofbite]

I don't know what to think about the NFL anymore.

Every week there seems to be some stupid rule that you've never seen before come into play and effect a game.

Giants WR Victor Cruz stumbled to the ground without being touched and dropped the ball when he was getting up.

Arizona jumps on the ball because the play is not over and they recover it.

The officials rule that Cruz had "given himself up" and therefor the play is over, Giants retain possession and they throw a TD on the next play.

First and foremost, he didn't give himself up as he stumbled and secondly when the hell did they put this rule in?

How can a guy be getting up off the ground and also be giving himself up? Sure, he thought the play was over but how does it make sense that a guy get up off the ground and yet they say he gave himself up?

At what point is someone getting back up to run?

I dunno what to think anymore. Every week there's something different that you see and ask yourself what the hell is going on.

Also, in the Falcons game Roddy White caught a sideline pass got two feet in and was shoved to the ground OB and lost the ball after his knee hit out of bounds.

I thought the ruling of maintaining possession throughout the play only pertained to plays in which the player is not tackled.

[mldardy]

I swear these rules are made up on the fly. I also think we never get a break like this to go our way and it always to happen with the Giants or some other team I can't stand.

[ChldsPlay]

Also, in the Falcons game Roddy White caught a sideline pass got two feet in and was shoved to the ground OB and lost the ball after his knee hit out of bounds.

I thought the ruling of maintaining possession throughout the play only pertained to plays in which the player is not tackled.

Not sure where you got that idea. It's always been anytime a player goes to the ground during the catch he has to maintain it. Whether he goes to the ground on his own or because he is hit is irrelevant.

That Giants/AZ one sounds pretty damn stupid.

[George]

I agree. When does a player get to stop a play, outside of the endzone and within bounds, by giving up. He didn't seem to realize that the play was still "on" because he thought he was touched by a Cardinal player. In essence, the ref interfered with the play to help the Giants win the game.

[Hoofbite]

Not sure where you got that idea. It's always been anytime a player goes to the ground during the catch he has to maintain it. Whether he goes to the ground on his own or because he is hit is irrelevant.

That Giants/AZ one sounds pretty damn stupid.

I dunno why I am thinking that.

Clearly you are right because I remember the Oakland play from a couple of years ago that was overturned.

Maybe that has to do with ball carriers.

Not sure.

[JPM]

You KNOW if any Cowboy player did that it would have been a fumble. No doubt in my mind.

[Califan007]

The refs in the Skins/Broncos Super Bowl claimed Doug Williams "gave himself up" when he went to the turf untouched and dropped the football while doing so. Only, Williams went to the ground due to the pain from twisting his knee. That makes more sense to claim he gave himself up. Cruz, though, looked like he stumbed and then looked like he assumed he was touched while down.

[Tom [Giants fan]]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d822cb889/article/report-johnson-says-refs-at-giantscardinals-tilt-made-right-call

[ZeroClub]

I don't know what to think about the NFL anymore.

Every week there seems to be some stupid rule that you've never seen before come into play and effect a game.

Giants WR Victor Cruz stumbled to the ground without being touched and dropped the ball when he was getting up.

Arizona jumps on the ball because the play is not over and they recover it.

The officials rule that Cruz had "given himself up" and therefor the play is over, Giants retain possession and they throw a TD on the next play.

First and foremost, he didn't give himself up as he stumbled and secondly when the hell did they put this rule in?

How can a guy be getting up off the ground and also be giving himself up? Sure, he thought the play was over but how does it make sense that a guy get up off the ground and yet they say he gave himself up?

At what point is someone getting back up to run?

I dunno what to think anymore. Every week there's something different that you see and ask yourself what the hell is going on.

Also, in the Falcons game Roddy White caught a sideline pass got two feet in and was shoved to the ground OB and lost the ball after his knee hit out of bounds.

I thought the ruling of maintaining possession throughout the play only pertained to plays in which the player is not tackled.

I just saw the play. IMO, it should have been a fumble.

What we have here is yet another example of an overly complex rulebook getting in the way of the game.

[Tom [Giants fan]]

I just saw the play. IMO, it should have been a fumble.

What we have here is yet another example of an overly complex rulebook getting in the way of the game.

If you see the play in slow motion. You will see Cruz look to his left and see a defender, he then looks quickly to his right and sees a defender coming from the other way. As soon as he sees the defender to his right, that is when he goes down.

I'm not saying I know what his intentions were but it looks as if he goes down to avoid being squashed.

[Hoofbite]

;4160099']http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d822cb889/article/report-johnson-says-refs-at-giantscardinals-tilt-made-right-call

This guys a bigger hack for the referees than Periera was.

I think it's hilarious that Periera used to spout the same crap but now that he's got a job analyzing he says what he wants.

Pretty sure Periera called it a fumble.

He did. He said he thought Cruz stumbled and therefor did not deliberately give himself up.

[Tom [Giants fan]]

This guys a bigger hack for the referees than Periera was.

I think it's hilarious that Periera used to spout the same crap but now that he's got a job analyzing he says what he wants.

Pretty sure Periera called it a fumble.

He did. He said he thought Cruz stumbled and therefor did not deliberately give himself up.

I thought the same thing until I noticed in the slow mo replay that Cruz saw the defender coming from his right and that is when he went down.

I'm not saying he did what the refs said because I'm not in his head. I don't know if there is anyway to really know for sure.

[Jenky]

Dude, he stumbled. He clearly lost footing. He didn't give himself up. Eli even admitted this.

What kind of player expects to be down after diving head first without being touched. It makes absolutely no sense at all.

You wanna give up? Take a knee or slide feet first.