Eli Manning threw ducks all day and a pick to lose the game = CHOKER? [Archive] - Dallas Cowboys Forum

RCowboyFan

10-09-2011, 09:04 PM

Seriously can we give that a rest? Romo did choke, so he was rightfully beaten in the media and fans for it. At the sametime he is not as bad he is made out to be either nor is he a choker or its not his character or his legacy so far.

So, just because Eli had a bad game or Vick had a bad game, you cannot expect them to get the same scrutiny as Romo. Game was under Cowboys complete control, unlike either of those games.

Story is not complete for 2011. Let the season play out. If Romo/cowboys win enough games or make some noise in Playoffs, this all will be forgotten.

shockandroll

10-09-2011, 09:10 PM

They're busy writing about Washington winning the division.

Dungy was a great player and coach and is a great man, he's an absolute buffoon as a commentator. He's on the Skins wagon for winning the division even though we beat them in wheelchairs.

There are many former greats who are idiots on TV, it does not matter what they did in the day, it's still OK to say they are morons on TV now. This includes Jimmy Johnson. I loved him as our coach, I love that he's enjoying his well deserved TV gig now, but his opinions are idiotic more often then not.

Deion was great for this team, he's the biggest idiot on TV I've ever seen in my life.

Emmit, I have to ask myself if he has a 3rd grade education when I hear him speak about football on TV.

Troy tries too hard not to be a homer until recently but he knows what he's talking about.

Irvin is great. He's not always right but I respect the hell out of his passion for the game and love for the Cowboys.

Moose is pretty good.

Woody is another one who took too many shots in the head.

That is all.

shockandroll

10-09-2011, 09:12 PM

I think it's tough to label Eli a choker being he was able to lead his team and win the the ultimate achievement in the NFL. I think Romo is by far a better QB tho.

So he did it all by himself? Did his defense help at all?

His defense led that team and won the ultimate achievement.

CowboysEmpire

10-09-2011, 09:12 PM

I think it's tough to label Eli a choker being he was able to lead his team and win the the ultimate achievement in the NFL. I think Romo is by far a better QB tho.

i dont know if i would call romo a "better" QB but i believe that he is a bit more professional and experienced. and yes, you really cant hate on eli since he did win a superbowl...

DFWJC

10-09-2011, 09:16 PM

I was just wondering when we'll see the news reports of how the all infalable Eli Manning is now a choker. Maybe they can combine that with a similar article about Vick as well. After all, it's not like the sports writers won't have time with Romo having the week off and all.
I'm sure Eli has had more games lost in the 4th qtr by picks in his career than Tony. If he has had 5, that is more....so I'm sure he has.

He throws a duck up in the SB and a guy makes a once in a lifetime helmet catch and Eli is forgiven for life. Crazy.

sunbum

10-09-2011, 09:16 PM

So he did it all by himself? Did his defense help at all?

His defense led that team and won the ultimate achievement.

sure, the Giants defense contributed but this thread is about Eli and being a choker. On the flip, if Romo had/wins a SB ring, his reputation would go up several notches and this choker crap we hear from the media would instantly disappear.

Once you win a SB, they can never take that away!

Picksix

10-09-2011, 09:18 PM

So he did it all by himself? Did his defense help at all?

His defense led that team and won the ultimate achievement.

True, the defense was largely responsible for their success, but Eli was very solid throughout the entire playoffs that year, and he did lead two TD drives in the 4th quarter of the SB (including the winning drive). Doesn't matter if two of the passes on that drive should have been picked. They won, so all people remember are the positives. Right or wrong, that gives him a pass, no matter how many times he blows it like he did today.

When Peyton finally won, all of his previously failures went away. Same for Dungy. A SB ring is the great neutralizer.

Everlastingxxx

10-09-2011, 09:20 PM

I wish we would get it a rest. While there were QBs that did choke, some others did not. So what? I don’t understand what this has to do with Romo and the season he is having.

I just think it is so easy to find excuses for a QB. I mean, you can go through Eli’s game and find excuses for his INTs. Example, Cruz tipped the pass, not his fault. Vick, the guy ran the wrong route (speculating). You guys use this excuse based logic for Romo but refuse to use it for anyone else outside of the Cowboys?

Should the media treat other QBs like they do Romo? No. This is the Dallas Cowboys. Greatest football franchise in the world. Everything you do as a Dallas Cowboys is magnified...good and bad.

tyke1doe

10-09-2011, 09:20 PM

tyke1doe

10-09-2011, 09:21 PM

I wish we would get it a rest. While there were QBs that did choke, some others did not. So what? I don’t understand what this has to do with Romo and the season he is having.

I just think it is so easy to find excuses for a QB. I mean, you can go through Eli’s game and find excuses for his INTs. Example, Cruz tipped the pass, not his fault. Vick, the guy ran the wrong route (speculating). You guys use this excuse based logic for Romo but refuse to use it for anyone else outside of the Cowboys?

Should be media treat other QBs like they do Romo? No. This is the Dallas Cowboys. Greatest football franchise in the world. Everything you do as a Dallas Cowboys is magnified...good and bad.

I wonder why posters have such a hard time grasping this. :huh:

ChldsPlay

10-09-2011, 09:22 PM

sure, the Giants defense contributed but this thread is about Eli and being a choker. On the flip, if Romo had/wins a SB ring, his reputation would go up several notches and this choker crap we hear from the media would instantly disappear.

Once you win a SB, they can never take that away!

Somehow I doubt it.

TheCoolFan

10-09-2011, 09:22 PM

Does it even matter? When you're the QB of the Cowboys, you're gonna get that media spotlight, for better or worse. Romo got even more attention and praise than the typical QB would get when he had those "tough" games and played through injury. It comes with the territory

casmith07

10-09-2011, 09:25 PM

I'm getting to the point where I hope Romo goes to another team, and buffs and waxes the Cowboys en route to multiple Super Bowl titles.

sunbum

10-09-2011, 09:27 PM

Somehow I doubt it.

well it would be pretty hypocritical if the media still labeled Romo a choker after he were to win a SB. It actually wouldn't be logical or make sense....how can you call someone a choker if they were to achieve the highest accomplishment....w/o choking? I mean I guess a team can win a SB despite a QB but there's a lot of football to play to get there and the QB is at the center of all of it.

DFWJC

10-09-2011, 09:28 PM

I'm getting to the point where I hope Romo goes to another team, and buffs and waxes the Cowboys en route to multiple Super Bowl titles.
LOL
Sadly...I've have that thought more than once too.

Risen Star

10-09-2011, 09:30 PM

I think it's tough to label Eli a choker being he was able to lead his team and win the the ultimate achievement in the NFL.

You may be on to something.

shockandroll

10-09-2011, 09:34 PM

True, the defense was largely responsible for their success, but Eli was very solid throughout the entire playoffs that year, and he did lead two TD drives in the 4th quarter of the SB (including the winning drive). Doesn't matter if two of the passes on that drive should have been picked. They won, so all people remember are the positives. Right or wrong, that gives him a pass, no matter how many times he blows it like he did today.

When Peyton finally won, all of his previously failures went away. Same for Dungy. A SB ring is the great neutralizer.

Not for intelligent people it did not. Eli got lucky, I do give him credit for fighting through what should have been a sack, but then he threw it up for grabs. A guy caught it on his helmet who then washed out of the NFL, that is not skill or superior QBing, it was a prayer that was made possible because of a great defense.

Without the defense, the Pats would have hung a ton of point on the Giants and they would not have won, period. The Giants offense was good enough, but their D won the game.

This is the problem with too many posters, they think a win means a QB is great. When team performance is usually what gets the win, not just the QB.

Example: Billick today pointed out how the iggles relied on Vicks arm for a TD, when he threw a screen behind the LOS and his receiver then made a great run. It was not at all Vick, it was the WR and blocking from the other guys down field. Vick had very little to do with it.

Austin snatches a ball from 2 defenders and then runs 40 yards for a TD and Romo is great. Austin lets it bounce off his hands into a defenders and Romo is a chump. People are stupid.

tyke1doe

10-09-2011, 09:34 PM

Dungy was a great player and coach and is a great man, he's an absolute buffoon as a commentator. He's on the Skins wagon for winning the division even though we beat them in wheelchairs.

Why is he an "absolute buffoon" as a commentator? Because he picks the Skins to win the division? Dungy said he's going with the Skins because they are the most consistent team in the division. Guess what? He's right.
What is he supposed to do? Back a team that has shown it can give up games as easily as it can pull games out at the last minute?

Why is it a buffon of a prediction to go with a team that has the better record? :huh:

The Redskins loss to Dallas in Texas Stadium on Monday Night yet held the Cowboys out of end zone. They have a solid defense and rely on the running game.

And as much as people want to bag on Rex Grossman, he has done something Tony Romo and Michael Vick haven't done and that is get his team to a Super Bowl.

I think fans get caught up in the fact that it's the Skins :lmao2: and Dan Snyder's team :lmao2: with Rex Grossman at QB :lmao2: and figure they can't be good.

But they have a good coach, and as much as we want to think teams aren't talented, there's a lot of hidden talent on rosters. And, sometimes, a coach can get the most out of that talent.

I'm not predicting the NFC East division title for the Skins. But based on current information, the Skins are the best in the division. Their record says so. And predictions are based on present information.

Gemini Dolly

10-09-2011, 09:35 PM

Eli was able to play a stretch of football where he didnt turn over the ball and was a nice bus driver. It happened to be during the playoffs. Got a ring for it.

Can Romo do the same? Still waiting.

Risen Star

10-09-2011, 09:37 PM

Eli was able to play a stretch of football where he didnt turn over the ball and was a nice bus driver. It happened to be during the playoffs. Got a ring for it.

Can Romo do the same? Still waiting.

And drive his team down at the end to win it.

I wouldn't call that bus driving.

tyke1doe

10-09-2011, 09:38 PM

This is the problem with too many posters, they think a win means a QB is great. When team performance is usually what gets the win, not just the QB.

Who has ever say Eli was a great QB? :huh:

IIRC, all people have said is that Eli came up big down the stretch. And he did. He made plays when he had too. I don't remember anyone here calling him great. But maybe you can pinpoint a specific comment.

shockandroll

10-09-2011, 09:39 PM

I'm getting to the point where I hope Romo goes to another team, and buffs and waxes the Cowboys en route to multiple Super Bowl titles.

lol, I feel ya. I'd rather Risen Star and Ren have side line tickets and Romo wins it here. He throws a TD pass to Bennett who rams into them after crossing the goal line leaving them mostly brain dead with only the ability to scream, I LOVE ROMO in public places.

Actually, their already brain dead, I guess it would just give them the ability to scream I LOVE ROMO.

Gemini Dolly

10-09-2011, 09:39 PM

And drive his team down at the end to win it.

I wouldn't call that bus driving.

A little luck doesnt hurt either ;)

shockandroll

10-09-2011, 09:40 PM

Why is he an "absolute buffoon" as a commentator? Because he picks the Skins to win the division? Dungy said he's going with the Skins because they are the most consistent team in the division. Guess what? He's right.
What is he supposed to do? Back a team that has shown it can give up games as easily as it can pull games out at the last minute?

Why is it a buffon of a prediction to go with a team that has the better record? :huh:

The Redskins loss to Dallas in Texas Stadium on Monday Night yet held the Cowboys out of end zone. They have a solid defense and rely on the running game.

And as much as people want to bag on Rex Grossman, he has done something Tony Romo and Michael Vick haven't done and that is get his team to a Super Bowl.

I think fans get caught up in the fact that it's the Skins :lmao2: and Dan Snyder's team :lmao2: with Rex Grossman at QB :lmao2: and figure they can't be good.

But they have a good coach, and as much as we want to think teams aren't talented, there's a lot of hidden talent on rosters. And, sometimes, a coach can get the most out of that talent.

I'm not predicting the NFC East division title for the Skins. But based on current information, the Skins are the best in the division. Their record says so. And predictions are based on present information.

yeah, ok.

Hoofbite

10-09-2011, 09:41 PM

People rail on the media for "bias" and then expect the media to act unbiasedly.

:confused:

Risen Star

10-09-2011, 09:43 PM

A little luck doesnt hurt either ;)

Yes. "Luck".

What a rival fan says in an attempt to discredit a rival's accomplishments.

It's right up there with bias refs.

RCowboyFan

10-09-2011, 09:45 PM

And as much as people want to bag on Rex Grossman, he has done something Tony Romo and Michael Vick haven't done and that is get his team to a Super Bowl.

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Seriously? He got his team to SB or did his team go to SB inspite of him? Give me a freaking break with that comparison. You talk about being balanced and fair, yet to talk completely out of the left field.

Its one thing to say Eli Manning took his team to SB, which he did, although his D was outstanding at the same time. But Eli had a big hand in them winning SB. Grossman had no such hand, all Bears could pray for was him not screw up, and just make enough plays.

Grossman was not even in Trent Dilfer area code in that category.

Cowboys&LakersFan

10-09-2011, 09:46 PM

Ok enough of these threads please. You need to accept the fact that Romo or whoever is under center for Dallas will get more **** for a bad game because they're the Cowboys QB.

Picksix

10-09-2011, 09:46 PM

Not for intelligent people it did not. Eli got lucky, I do give him credit for fighting through what should have been a sack, but then he threw it up for grabs. A guy caught it on his helmet who then washed out of the NFL, that is not skill or superior QBing, it was a prayer that was made possible because of a great defense.

Without the defense, the Pats would have hung a ton of point on the Giants and they would not have won, period. The Giants offense was good enough, but their D won the game.

This is the problem with too many posters, they think a win means a QB is great. When team performance is usually what gets the win, not just the QB.

Example: Billick today pointed out how the iggles relied on Vicks arm for a TD, when he threw a screen behind the LOS and his receiver then made a great run. It was not at all Vick, it was the WR and blocking from the other guys down field. Vick had very little to do with it.

Austin snatches a ball from 2 defenders and then runs 40 yards for a TD and Romo is great. Austin lets it bounce off his hands into a defenders and Romo is a chump. People are stupid.

Yes, but we're not talking about intelligent people. We're talking about the media.

Clove

10-09-2011, 09:48 PM

In my book, when you win a championship, that is the ultimate level of success, maybe not to a player because they'd like individual awards, but for me as a fan.

So when someone compares a SB winning QB to a 1 play off victory winning QB, I typically stop reading. Is it fair? I don't know and I don't care. But if Romo wins a Super Bowl, he won't be completely untouchable (because it's what have you done for me lately) but if anyone tries to argue with me about someone who matched his success or falls below it, I will drown them in the argument every time.

We have the team to win a Super Bowl, THIS YEAR.

jimmy40

10-09-2011, 09:48 PM

Yes. "Luck".

What a rival fan says in an attempt to discredit a rival's accomplishments.

It's right up there with bias refs.nothing, and I mean nothing is up there with bias refs.

tyke1doe

10-09-2011, 09:48 PM

yeah, ok.

So based on present information, why do you think the Skins won't win the division?

I do believe the Cowboys have the talent, but the Cowboys aren't consistent. They've won two games they had no business winning and two games they could have easily loss. That's inconsistency. Now, what the Cowboys do have in their favor is that they will be getting Miles Austin and Orlando Scandrick back in the near future. Also Felix is playing hurt and so is Romo. But still ... the inconsistency issue looms as well as a concern that Jason Garrett may not back off "reining in" Romo.

The Giants? They have a good running game, but they are injured also.

The Eagles? Theyr'e done, IMO. 1-4 with five division games left (two each against the Skins and the Cowboys) and still have to play the Bears, Patriots and Jets. They also are built for speed not power. They don't have the offensive line to protect Vick and their defensive line is smallish, can't stop the run and is missing Trent Cole.

The Skins have a strong defensive line with Orakpo and a promising rookie in Kerrigan. They've always been a strong running team, and Tim Hightower has found new life with Washington. Grossman has been a pretty good manager, and even on his sack on the Skins' last possession against the Cowboys, that was just a very good play by Anthony Spencer. That wasn't some monumental mistake by Grossman. Oh, and they have a Super Bowl-winning coach in Mike Shannahan.

Again, I don't necessarily have them winning the division, but it's not without reason. Certainly nothing to call a person "an absolute buffoon" over.

Gemini Dolly

10-09-2011, 09:51 PM

Yes. "Luck".

What a rival fan says in an attempt to discredit a rival's accomplishments.

It's right up there with bias refs.

:rolleyes: Where am I discrediting anything? Like I mentioned, Eli was able to play a stretch of turnover free football. Something Tony needs to prove he can do.

tyke1doe

10-09-2011, 10:21 PM

Seriously? He got his team to SB or did his team go to SB inspite of him? Give me a freaking break with that comparison. You talk about being balanced and fair, yet to talk completely out of the left field.

With the exception of the Ravens, no team goes to a Super Bowl without the help of the quarterback. And even Trent Dilfer made his share of plays.

Its one thing to say Eli Manning took his team to SB, which he did, although his D was outstanding at the same time. But Eli had a big hand in them winning SB. Grossman had no such hand, all Bears could pray for was him not screw up, and just make enough plays.

And that he did. No one saying he's a great quarterback. But he is a quarterback who took a team to the Super Bowl. Just cause you don't think he's that good of a quarterback doesn't detract from that.

Grossman was not even in Trent Dilfer area code in that category.

Grossman didn't have a defense like the Ravens either.

dmq

10-09-2011, 11:02 PM

Dungy was a great player

Thanks for making stuff up.

ChldsPlay

10-09-2011, 11:09 PM

well it would be pretty hypocritical if the media still labeled Romo a choker after he were to win a SB. It actually wouldn't be logical or make sense....how can you call someone a choker if they were to achieve the highest accomplishment....w/o choking? I mean I guess a team can win a SB despite a QB but there's a lot of football to play to get there and the QB is at the center of all of it.

Sounds exactly like the media...and a lot of people here.

burmafrd

10-10-2011, 08:14 AM

on that so called great drive Eli had at the end of the SB:

He throws up a prayer and a player who is now gone had his career catch.

Eli then, under no pressure, hits a wide open WR for the winning TD.

BUT prior to that came multiple incompletions plus one pass that hit Samuels right in the hands (and samuels will be kicking himself for the rest of his life for dropping it).

ThreeSportStar80

10-10-2011, 08:27 AM

SWG9

10-10-2011, 12:01 PM

Ok enough of these threads please. You need to accept the fact that Romo or whoever is under center for Dallas will get more **** for a bad game because they're the Cowboys QB.

Thank you. The flip side is if Romo ever does win a Superbowl in Dallas, he'll get more credit for it than any other QB normally would. That's why they pay him the big bucks.

By all accounts Romo is a good guy and everyone loves a redemption story. Journalists are just itching to write it if Romo gives them the chance.

DFWJC

10-10-2011, 12:46 PM

Thank you. The flip side is if Romo ever does win a Superbowl in Dallas, he'll get more credit for it than any other QB normally would. That's why they pay him the big bucks.
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No chance.

BraveHeartFan

10-10-2011, 12:57 PM

Does it really matter what anyone thinks about Eli Manning?

Does he play QB for the Dallas Cowboys?

Then why should you, or me, or any Cowboys fan care, at all, what someone thinks of Eli Manning?

Aven8

10-10-2011, 03:09 PM

I know three things about Eli.

1. He is durable.

2. He is the luckiest QB I've ever seen. That play yesterday where he hurled it up into double coverage and Cruz made a heck of a play. He does this on multiple occasions. I can't believe Coughlin is still sane!

3. I can always count on "dumb face" a couple of times per game.