Where is Jay Ratliff?

[dallasfan4lizife]

i dont notice him on the field anymore. i knew jerry would sign him to a fat contract and i knew it would be a bad move. i saw it coming with hamlin, newman, roy williams both, barber III, davis, etc....anyways dont you think he would be much more effective at DE?

[Chocolate Lab]

i dont notice him on the field anymore. i knew jerry would sign him to a fat contract and i knew it would be a bad move. i saw it coming with hamlin, newman, roy williams both, barber III, davis, etc....anyways dont you think he would be much more effective at DE?

Allow me to be the first.

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[5Stars]

He's in jail...

[casmith07]

Allow me to be the first.

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Seconded.

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[masomenos]

Thirded.

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[dallasfan4lizife]

Thirded.

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swacking. come up with something more original

[urface59]

Mostly he's been on the field anchoring what has been a superb d line/run defense. I don't know where he is on off days and nights, however.

[silverbear]

Allow me to be the first.

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Beat me to it, you bastidge... :D

[silverbear]

swacking. come up with something more original

Come up with a semi-intelligent thread...

[M'Kevon]

swacking. come up with something more original

Why be original to such a dumb question? :laugh2:

[shockandroll]

swacking. come up with something more original

It's really all your post deserved. Ratliff is doing his job as always. He's on pace to match his best year in total tackles and beat last years number of sacks. If he has one or two really big games along the way, he may end up with more of both before the year is finished.

We're number one against the rush right now, though we are benefiting from having had our bye, but Jay is a huge part of why our run D is so good. We're 8th in sacks and are hurt because of just having our bye. Jay is also part of why we have so many sacks because he draws double teams and helps collapse the pocket.

So rather then assume he did not deserve to get paid, try to look at what he's actually doing. He's the same guy he always was, teams account for him now which is why he does not get the freakish sacks he had one year. That's still good, it means it frees up someone else because they are worried about Jay.

[gimmesix]

i dont notice him on the field anymore. i knew jerry would sign him to a fat contract and i knew it would be a bad move. i saw it coming with hamlin, newman, roy williams both, barber III, davis, etc....anyways dont you think he would be much more effective at DE?

Ryan's 3-4 scheme relies on him to get offenses to attack him with more than one blocker. That keeps Ratliff from making as many plays, but frees up other defenders to make them.

So every time you see Sean Lee making tackles, thank Ratliff. When you see the run defense making stop after stop, thank Ratliff. When you see guys like Jason Hatcher, Anthony Spencer, etc., getting pressure on the quarterback, thank Ratliff.

[dooomsday]

Love to see him at DE. Though our run D is surprisingly good this year. Get a killer NT with Rat and Hatch at DE and we'd be scary.

[DallasEast]

This may be a thread which attempts to elevate a player's secondary responsibility over his first duty. Jay Ratliff has shown that he can rush the quarterback, but his his first job as a nose tackle is to help stop the run. Let's look at what the defense, with Ratliff plugging the middle of the defensive line, has done thus far through the first four games:

vs. New York Jets
Greene/Tomlinson, 42 yards combined rushing

vs. San Francisco 49ers
Gore/Smith, 68 yards combined rushing

vs. Washington Redskins
Hightower/Helu, 56 yards combined rushing

vs. Detroit Lions
Best/Williams, 61 yards combined rushing



"Where is Jay Ratliff"?



At the bank with a huge smile, cashing his game checks for a job well-done.

[dadymat]

Seconded.

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i wanna play......

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[TheRat]

Guys you too easily dismiss this post. And I think a bit of homerism has to do with it.

He has been doing his job against the run. But he is clearly not the Ratliff of old. I sincerely doubt he'll have an 8 sack season this year. Probably closer to 3 or 4 sacks, which is still pretty good for a 34 NT but not dominant like he used to be. And considering his age he is likely to get worse not better.

[shockandroll]

Guys you too easily dismiss this post. And I think a bit of homerism has to do with it.

He has been doing his job against the run. But he is clearly not the Ratliff of old. I sincerely doubt he'll have an 8 sack season this year. Probably closer to 3 or 4 sacks, which is still pretty good for a 34 NT but not dominant like he used to be. And considering his age he is likely to get worse not better.

He's never had an 8 sack season, not one ever. He's averaged 5 a season since starting, you misremember what he used to do. Like I said, he's on pace for 4 and all it takes is one or two great games to get back to the 7.5 he had in his great year. He's on pace for the same amount of tackles too.

So he will probably have 2 less sacks and about the same amount of tackles when nobody knew who he was and he did not get doubles and you are suggesting he is no longer dominant? He was not doubled when he had 7.5 sacks, he might get real close to 7.5 being doubled this year.

I politely suggest you are completely incorrect regarding this year.

[zrinkill]

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[Bigtommyb]

Allow me to be the first.

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I love him,but he has been MIA! What a perfect time to wake up!!!!

[gimmesix]

Guys you too easily dismiss this post. And I think a bit of homerism has to do with it.

He has been doing his job against the run. But he is clearly not the Ratliff of old. I sincerely doubt he'll have an 8 sack season this year. Probably closer to 3 or 4 sacks, which is still pretty good for a 34 NT but not dominant like he used to be. And considering his age he is likely to get worse not better.

No, you disregard the change in schemes.

Ratliff's best sack years (7.5 and 6.0) came while playing in Wade Phillips' 3-4, which gives the linemen one-gap responsibility, allowing them to essentially wreak havoc by beating their man, but leaves the linebackers vulnerable because of it.

In "traditional" 3-4s, where the linemen have two-gap responsibility, Ratliff has never had more than four sacks in a season. Although Ryan is creative in the looks he gives offenses, his front line still has two-gap responsibility on most plays to keep blockers off the linebackers. (In fact, you could say Ryan's scheme even does less to help Ratliff get sacks because Ryan doesn't always roll out a four-man front in the nickel defense, which would allow Ratliff more one-gap opportunities to rush the passer.)

The best way to examine Ratliff's worth in this scheme is to look at the play of the linebackers. If they are free to make plays, Ratliff is doing his job. Poor nose tackle play in a traditional 3-4 lets offenses single-block the NT and get out on the linebackers for big gains or to give added pass protection on players like Ware.

[baj1dallas]

If you actually watch him for a few plays you will see what he does. If you focus on Ware instead and rely on the announcers to let you know when he's doing something useful, you won't really understand how valuable he is to the team.

[shockandroll]

I love him,but he has been MIA! What a perfect time to wake up!!!!

How has he been MIA? Do you watch him? Vince Wilfork, greatest 34 NT ever, .5 sacks and 4 tackles in 5 games, Jay Ratliff, undersized, MIA chump, 1 sack and 8 tackles in 4 games.

You really should spend some time learning how to evaluate NT before you comment on Ratliff, he's not at all MIA. He's stuffing the run, taking on doubles, and collasping the pocket, that does not show up in the stat sheets.

[DallasEast]

If you actually watch him for a few plays you will see what he does. If you focus on Ware instead and rely on the announcers to let you know when he's doing something useful, you won't really understand how valuable he is to the team.
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[Fletch]

i dont notice him on the field anymore. i knew jerry would sign him to a fat contract and i knew it would be a bad move. i saw it coming with hamlin, newman, roy williams both, barber III, davis, etc....anyways dont you think he would be much more effective at DE?

:facepalm:

[Hostile]

If you actually watch him for a few plays you will see what he does. If you focus on Ware instead and rely on the announcers to let you know when he's doing something useful, you won't really understand how valuable he is to the team.I should close this abortion of a thread upon this comment alone. The problem is I doubt it would sink in that this post is 100% correct and the premise of the thread misses worse than a cross eyed, dyslexic gunfighter aiming the wrong way at a target that isn't there.

[baj1dallas]

I should close this abortion of a thread upon this comment alone. The problem is I doubt it would sink in that this post is 100% correct and the premise of the thread misses worse than a cross eyed, dyslexic gunfighter aiming the wrong way at a target that isn't there.

The problem with that is that guy would probably end up shooting who he was supposed to!

[jswalker1981]

No, you disregard the change in schemes.

Ratliff's best sack years (7.5 and 6.0) came while playing in Wade Phillips' 3-4, which gives the linemen one-gap responsibility, allowing them to essentially wreak havoc by beating their man, but leaves the linebackers vulnerable because of it.

In "traditional" 3-4s, where the linemen have two-gap responsibility, Ratliff has never had more than four sacks in a season. Although Ryan is creative in the looks he gives offenses, his front line still has two-gap responsibility on most plays to keep blockers off the linebackers. (In fact, you could say Ryan's scheme even does less to help Ratliff get sacks because Ryan doesn't always roll out a four-man front in the nickel defense, which would allow Ratliff more one-gap opportunities to rush the passer.)

The best way to examine Ratliff's worth in this scheme is to look at the play of the linebackers. If they are free to make plays, Ratliff is doing his job. Poor nose tackle play in a traditional 3-4 lets offenses single-block the NT and get out on the linebackers for big gains or to give added pass protection on players like Ware.

What do you know with your facts and knowledge?! ;)

[Seven]

Are you from earth?

[Picksix]

Too often, we get caught watching the ball, so we miss a lot of what is going on away from it. Ratliff is playing a position, in a certain scheme, that forces him to hold ground in the middle, and either force plays to go another direction, or allow others to make plays coming his way. Hard to make many plays when you're constantly getting double teamed.

Ratliff is doing exactly what he's being asked to do. By the coaches at least. Too bad he can't do what some fans just want him to do.

[dallasfan4lizife]

dude gets blown off the line constantly...i dont know what you guys are talking about best year....

[dallasfan4lizife]

Guys you too easily dismiss this post. And I think a bit of homerism has to do with it.

He has been doing his job against the run. But he is clearly not the Ratliff of old. I sincerely doubt he'll have an 8 sack season this year. Probably closer to 3 or 4 sacks, which is still pretty good for a 34 NT but not dominant like he used to be. And considering his age he is likely to get worse not better.

this guy is 30 and got paid 40 mil....do any of you even stop to realize that this was a bad move when he had years left on his contract?

[Texas_Pete]

This may be a thread which attempts to elevate a player's secondary responsibility over his first duty. Jay Ratliff has shown that he can rush the quarterback, but his his first job as a nose tackle is to help stop the run. Let's look at what the defense, with Ratliff plugging the middle of the defensive line, has done thus far through the first four games:

vs. New York Jets
Greene/Tomlinson, 42 yards combined rushing

vs. San Francisco 49ers
Gore/Smith, 68 yards combined rushing

vs. Washington Redskins
Hightower/Helu, 56 yards combined rushing

vs. Detroit Lions
Best/Williams, 61 yards combined rushing



"Where is Jay Ratliff"?



At the bank with a huge smile, cashing his game checks for a job well-done.

Good stuff :signmast: . Jay is leading us to giving up a measly 56 rushing ypg. That is OUTSTANDING rush defense.

A little birdie told me that BenJarvus Green-Ellis may be hampered with turf toe (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/10/13/2488662/benjarvus-green-ellis-injury-new-england-patriots). Looks like another week with no 100-yd rushers coming right up. :D

[Zman5]

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[Dallas4ever]

Threads like this demonstrate the necessary objectiveness of our moderators. I'm sure often gets very tempting to simply just delete and be done.

I tip my hat to you all!!! :bow:

[silverbear]

dude gets blown off the line constantly...i dont know what you guys are talking about best year....

This thread just gets dumber with each subsequent post you make to it...

A philosopher once said "it's better to keep your mouth shut, and seem a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt"...

I advise you to contemplate the wisdom of that adage... :D

[silverbear]

this guy is 30 and got paid 40 mil....

And worth every penny of it-- if you know anything about football, you don't have to have that explained to you...

do any of you even stop to realize that this was a bad move when he had years left on his contract?

Yeah, it was real stupid to tie up a perennial Pro Bowler who's only 30, in the process creating cap room for this year and next...

You are slowly edging past being comical into the realm of Kafka... but really, what can you expect from a Snoop Dogg wannabe??

I find myself suspecting that you and Snoop have a lot in common (puff, puff, pass)... you should try watching the games sober sometime, let the bong have a rest...

Here's a hint, nobody says "lizife" any more... time to drag you, screaming and kicking, into the new millennium...

[silverbear]

Threads like this demonstrate the necessary objectiveness of our moderators. I'm sure often gets very tempting to simply just delete and be done.

I tip my hat to you all!!! :bow:

The mods know that threads like this serve a useful purpose (besides giving us all a good laugh)... they let you know which posters don't have a flippin' clue...

Think about it, from now on when you see a thread started by ol' "Lizife", you can safely assume there's nothing of substance in it... so you can, if you choose, skip that thread, or you can choose to laugh at it...