265 lbs, 3.94 Short Shuttle, WOW!!!!

[Rack Bauer]

Only 20 players ran under a 4.0 in the short shuttle at the combine.


Only one of those 20 was a defensive lineman. His name? David Pollack.


And while we're here...

Only 35 players ran faster then a 7.0 on the 3-cone drill at the combine.

Only one of them was a defensive lineman. His name? David Pollack.


DeMarcus Ware is the only other non-QB/S/WR/CB/RB that also ran under a 7.0 in the 3-cone drill, but he'll be a LB in the NFL.

Not even Derrick Johnson ran a faster time on the 3-cone drill.



Gee, I wonder what's more useful in "measuring" a football player's skills, the vertical jump or the short shuttle and 3-cone drill? Hmmm...


lol

[Put Henson In]

Didn't DJ have the fastest time in the short shuttle?

[LoneStar22]

Only 20 players ran under a 4.0 in the short shuttle at the combine.



Only 35 players ran faster then a 7.0 on the 3-cone drill at the combine.





How many jumped 40 inch verticle or better? Not anywhere close to 20 or 35 players.



:anvil:

[Rack Bauer]

How many jumped 40 inch verticle or better? Not anywhere close to 20 or 35 players.


And how does a vertical jump translate to how a player will perform on the field? Can you answer that question?


Didn't DJ have the fastest time in the short shuttle?


4th fastest.

2 players ran a 3.84

1 players ran a 3.89

2 players ran a 3.92

and 5 players (including DJ) ran a 3.93.

Very impressive for any player, especially a LB (or DE for that matter).

[LoneStar22]

And how does a vertical jump translate to how a player will perform on the field? Can you answer that question?








Never said it translated to on the field greatness, just said it was showing great athletism for a 274lb man to jump 40 vert.

Dam Boy, Pollack runs a 4.80....get real. That is serious BUST potential.

Furthermore his potential upside is far lower than that of a Merriman, James, Johnson or Spears.

[Rack Bauer]

Dam Boy, Pollack runs a 4.80....get real. That is serious BUST potential.


What does 40 times have to do with a DE?

By the way, he ran a 4.75 electronic timed. Merriman ran a 4.66 hand timed. Hand times are usually .1 faster then electronic times.

Translation: Pollack ran just as fast as Merriman.


Also, Terrell Suggs ran a 4.8. So did Charles Haley. So did Simeon Rice.

Shall I go on?

LMAO!

[LoneStar22]

265lbs gets blown off the line Pollack would have to play OLB too and he's too slow, I would be very disappointed at #11 if Dallas ended up picking a low potential athlete when there are so many potential playmaking NFL game changers in the top 10 or so picks. Pollack isn't one of them.


Braylon Edwards
Mike Williams
Derrick Johnson
Shawne Merriman
Erasmus James
Marcus Spears
Antrel Rolle
Troy Williamson
Alex Barron


ALL BEFORE DAVE POLLACK


......and more

[Rack Bauer]

265lbs gets blown off the line Pollack would have to play OLB too and he's too slow,


Again, he's just as fast as Merriman. Find another reason to "hate" on Pollack. lol


I would be very disappointed at #11 if Dallas ended up picking a low potential athlete


So you want the cowboys to draft "athletes"? I prefer we draft FOOTBALL PLAYERS.




Pollack isn't one of them.


Still waiting for you to explain to me why you feel that way. What makes Merriman the better player. Please, I'm all ears. lol



Braylon Edwards
Mike Williams
Derrick Johnson
Shawne Merriman
Erasmus James
Marcus Spears
Antrel Rolle
Troy Williamson
Alex Barron


ALL BEFORE DAVE POLLACK


I hope so. Plus one more, that way Pollack will be available to us at #11.

[jksmith269]

What does 40 times have to do with a DE?

By the way, he ran a 4.75 electronic timed. Merriman ran a 4.66 hand timed. Hand times are usually .1 faster then electronic times.

Translation: Pollack ran just as fast as Merriman.


Also, Terrell Suggs ran a 4.8. So did Charles Haley. So did Simeon Rice.

Shall I go on?

LMAO!


Rack did any of these players you listed have 30" arms like Polluck? I'm sorry but I think he will be man handled at the NFL level and don't see him being more than a good ST player.... I like his heart and smarts but he reminds me a lot of Bill bates a good motor and head...I know he's bigger than Billy was but hopefully you see the point...IMO he will be a waste of a draft pick so we will probably wind up with him.....

[LoneStar22]

I hope so. Plus one more, that way Pollack will be available to us at #11.


Alex Smith
Aaron Rogers
Cedric Benson
Ronnie Brown

All top 10 picks

[Rack Bauer]

Rack did any of these players you listed have 30" arms like Polluck?


! Are you serious? Now you guys are just searching for all kinds of reasons to "hate" on Pollack. lol

[LoneStar22]

! Are you serious? Now you guys are just searching for all kinds of reasons to "hate" on Pollack. lol


Pollack will not be drafted until the early 20's.

[Rack Bauer]

Pollack will not be drafted until the early 20's.


We'll see.

[LoneStar22]

We'll see.


I'd take a flier on him at 20.

[jksmith269]

! Are you serious? Now you guys are just searching for all kinds of reasons to "hate" on Pollack. lol

I'm not seaching for anything I've said it all along......
So your saying he didn't have the shortest arms for DL at the combine this year????? his arms were 30.5 that is why his stock took a hard fall that and he wasn't as fast as hyped.......coachs and scouts when asked about pollack say he has a good motor but are worried that he will be bullied by the larger Tackles in the NFL......why are you so in love with him he is a decent college player but so was danny worful (sp) the RB from neberska a few years ago ryan leaf a lot of them are good at the college level but don't make it on the NFL level he will have a good career but it will be more a back up role and ST's but thats my opinion.....

[LoneStar22]

So your saying he didn't have the shortest arms for DL at the combine this year????? his arms were 30.5 that is why his stock took a hard fall that and he wasn't as fast as hyped.......coachs and scouts when asked about pollack say he has a good motor but are worried that he will be bullied by the larger Tackles in the NFL......why are you so in love with him he is a decent college player but so was danny worful (sp) the RB from neberska a few years ago ryan leaf a lot of them are good at the college level but don't make it on the NFL level he will have a good career but it will be more a back up role and ST's but thats my opinion.....



He may even be there with th 43rd pick, Matt Roth may be better.


Hmmm Howard or our 43rd pick...

[Put Henson In]

Pollack at 11 is a HUGGGGGGE reach

[Rack Bauer]

I'd take a flier on him at 20.


To be honest with you, I wouldn't be upset if we took Merriman at #11. It's obvious he has potential. But no more potential then Pollack, and Pollack actually produced in college.

If we took Merriman at #11 and Pollack were available at #20 I'd take him. There's our two OLBs for the 3-4, and both can play DE in our nickel defense. Move Ellis inside and that's a potentially dangerous pass rushing front 4.


why are you so in love with him he is a decent college player


I'm not in love with him. Why are you in love with Merriman, a LESSER college football player then Pollack?

[LoneStar22]

To be honest with you, I wouldn't be upset if we took Merriman at #11. It's obvious he has potential. But no more potential then Pollack, and Pollack actually produced in college.

If we took Merriman at #11 and Pollack were available at #20 I'd take him. There's our two OLBs for the 3-4, and both can play DE in our nickel defense. Move Ellis inside and that's a potentially dangerous pass rushing front 4.





I'm not in love with him. Why are you in love with Merriman, a LESSER college football player then Pollack?


WHatever you're smokin', I don't want any. :explode:

[Eskimo]

Just based on production alone, Pollack is probably a top-5 player in this draft. While he is small and short-armed, his quickness is remarkable for a DL. I agree that #11 may be early for him but disagree that he would be a reach at #20. If he is there a #20, he is probably BPA.

If he can't cut it at DE, I still think he would be an excellent OLB because of his quickness, agility, intelligence and motor.

Parcells has made a business out of drafting guys like him and playing them at OLB in his 3-4.

This guy is a serious football player - forget about sacks - 108 QB pressures in the last 3 years - that is an amazing stat and he didn't do it in some cream puff conference either.

To be honest with you, I wouldn't mind picking Merriman and Pollack at all if we are going to the 3-4. I could even live with drafting both of them and finding some place for them in the 4-3.

My preferred draft scenario is MW at #11 if he is there and then one of Pollack/DJ/Merriman at #20 - I really hope on of them drops.

[LoneStar22]

Just based on production alone, Pollack is probably a top-5 player in this draft. While he is small and short-armed, his quickness is remarkable for a DL. I agree that #11 may be early for him but disagree that he would be a reach at #20. If he is there a #20, he is probably BPA.

If he can't cut it at DE, I still think he would be an excellent OLB because of his quickness, agility, intelligence and motor.

Parcells has made a business out of drafting guys like him and playing them at OLB in his 3-4.

This guy is a serious football player - forget about sacks - 108 QB pressures in the last 3 years - that is an amazing stat and he didn't do it in some cream puff conference either.

To be honest with you, I wouldn't mind picking Merriman and Pollack at all if we are going to the 3-4. I could even live with drafting both of them and finding some place for them in the 4-3.

My preferred draft scenario is MW at #11 if he is there and then one of Pollack/DJ/Merriman at #20 - I really hope on of them drops.



Like to see Mike Williams at #11 but I think he has Boom/Bust potential. Troy Williamson may actually be a safer pick at WR. Pollack would actually be great at #20, DJ and Merriman will be gone especially after their workouts.

Williamson and Pollack or Cody hmmm...

[Rack Bauer]

I wouldn't take Williamson at #11.


If Merriman were gone and the cowboys felt Pollack would be there at #20 then I'd rather take Barron, then Pollack, then Ware.

[Outlaw Heroes]

Like to see Mike Williams at #11 but I think he has Boom/Bust potential. Troy Williamson may actually be a safer pick at WR.

You appear to have very little regard for production. Williamson a safer pick than Williams? Absolutely ridiculous. The one was a 700 yard receiver in a two-bit program. The other was a touchdown machine at a perennial power. Give me a break. Williamson has no business going before the second round. But because of his speed some team will be foolish enough to grab him in the first. I just hope it's not the Cowboys.

As for the Merriman/Pollack debate: I think both sides are right. Pollack's production makes him worthy of going before any of the other tweeners in this draft. But he'll fall because scouts are concerned about his measurables (read "height and weight"). That makes taking him at #11 a questionable move, since he may well be there at #20. If he is, I'd be quite pleased to see the Cowboys pick him up.

[ghettogandhi]

I'd take a flier on him at 20.

agreed-

Rack your obsession with Pollack has blinded you -obviousily the complexity of drafting has eluded you- there is no way Pollack goes before 20.

[ManicDepressiveMan]

I wish that the guys here that drool over workout times at the Dork Olympics could be in charge of personel for the other NFC East teams.

[ManicDepressiveMan]

BTW, the ultimate workout dork, Matt Jones posted a 6.65 three-cone drill at the Arkansas pro day. An absolute amazing time for someone his size.

Let's draft him at 11. :rolleyes:

[jobberone]

Gee, I wonder if actually watching people play football live, on tape, and talking to their coaches and other members of the conference as well as interviewing them is a better way to evaluate whether a player might be able to be a productive player for your NFL team.

The combines and workouts are just another tool to try to minimize the risk you take in drafting someone who might not work out. Or looking at it positively, you can increase your odds of getting productive players for your team by taking in as much information as possible before investing your draft pick to fit your team and its needs at that time and for the future.

In the end its a crap shoot. You pays your dollar and takes your chance. If you do enough homework, are good at what you do, make the fewest mistakes, and get lucky you will win the game in the long run. Doesn't matter if its poker, racing, life, or drafting.

Some of you go to your rooms and come out when you can play nicely.

[Eskimo]

The thing about Matt Jones is the guy is a pure athlete with great measurables. High level competitor at two NCAA sports and even seems to have some skill.

I don't think he is a "Randal Williams" - all straight line speed but stiff as a board.

It is a projection to see if he can find a position in the NFL - WR/H-Back/TE. I would take a close look at him. The only problem is we don't know much about his WR skills. For those who talk about D Bennett - you have to realize that he was a UDFA.

Someone will take him in the 2nd - I wouldn't be shocked in the least if it were us.

[Yakuza Rich]

Gee, I wonder what's more useful in "measuring" a football player's skills, the vertical jump or the short shuttle and 3-cone drill? Hmmm...

The vertical jump is used as another measure to determine a player's explosiveness.

I'll say this about a million times....I live in Atlanta and really can't stand the Georgia Bulldogs. That being said, David Pollack is the real deal. Every game I ever saw him in he was always a presence. His worst games were ones where he would be double and triple teamed so he wouldn't make any sacks or force any fumbles, but would still be a nuisance in the backfield. He did this while playing BOTH defensive tackle and defensive end at UGA against high level of competition.

He's a good guy, has great work ethic and really isn't that small (still came in at 6'2" tall, about the same height as Tedy Bruschi and taller than Dwight Freeney) The combine showed the kid has got some serious athleticism.

I'd prefer to get him at #20 because I don't think we can afford to pass up on Spears if he's available at #11.


Rich..........

[Nors]

What does 40 times have to do with a DE?

By the way, he ran a 4.75 electronic timed. Merriman ran a 4.66 hand timed. Hand times are usually .1 faster then electronic times.

Translation: Pollack ran just as fast as Merriman.


Also, Terrell Suggs ran a 4.8. So did Charles Haley. So did Simeon Rice.

Shall I go on?

LMAO!

Actually Suggs ran a 4.9, the great Howard ran a 5.0. Your point made.

Totally agree on Pollack. I think he can play both 4-3 DE and 3-4 LB.
I watched a play last year where he was persuing backside on a screen misdirection at him. He hurdled a guard and knocked down the pass. One of the single most athletic plays I've ever seen. Kid is a football player. Reminds me of Bruschi - same undersized productive DE in college.

[Nors]

agreed-

Rack your obsession with Pollack has blinded you -obviousily the complexity of drafting has eluded you- there is no way Pollack goes before 20.

You are blinded with that statement. You don't know that for a fact.

Pollack very well could be a top 20 pick. All it takes is one pick and he's right there....15-25 is about right. I have him around #7 on my board but his size, arms, etc will drag him down, some.

[Hollywood Henderson]

Pollack is a player, it just depends where he is picked...

He seems like a great fit as a 3-4 pass rushing OLB...
But give me Merriman at #11...

I suspect a WR will be choosen from Williamson & Roddy White at ether #20 or our 2nd...

But a IMPACT QB killing player will be amoung our first 3 picks...
Don't discount Demarcus Ware ether...

[Natedawg44]

Yes 40 times aren't everything, but they do figure into the equation. Dwight Freeney ran a 4.4 at 265 lbs.

[Skip]

I'd take a flier on him at 20.

Your kidding , right?

I would not take a "flier" on anyone with the # 20 pick. #20 has to be a starter, period!

You take a flier on a guy you think may not have it any more or on a guy you think may still not reached his potential, but you think he still can.

[Nors]

Emmitt Smith ran a 4.7
Urhlacher, Zach Thomas were undersized

Last year FS Erik Coleman was too small and a tick to slow. Was a 5th round pick and one of the 10 best Rookies in the NFL.

There was a RB out of Georgia, too slow.
QB out of Michigan with a weak arm, too slow - went in 6th round.


Mike Mamula had great measurables - be carefull going on data alone. How they play on the field is 90% of evaluations.

[jterrell]

Pollack is a very real option at 20.

I do think the shuttle and cone drills are more telling than 40 times for DL.

And I could care less about vertical leap except in DBs and WRs.

Pollack is a on the field type so any decent numbers(and these are great) really move him up. He coulf end up the steal of the draft. No one questions his motor.

I'd still rather have Merriman because I think Merriman has more potentila and room to grow but I'd llove Pollack at 20. The guy flat out plays hard all the time.

There is very little bust potential at all with Pollack. He could end up just an average NFL player but thats not all bad either.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Pollack is a very real option at 20.

I do think the shuttle and cone drills are more telling than 40 times for DL.

And I could care less about vertical leap except in DBs and WRs.

Pollack is a on the field type so any decent numbers(and these are great) really move him up. He coulf end up the steal of the draft. No one questions his motor.

I'd still rather have Merriman because I think Merriman has more potentila and room to grow but I'd llove Pollack at 20. The guy flat out plays hard all the time.

There is very little bust potential at all with Pollack. He could end up just an average NFL player but thats not all bad either.


Agreed...I just can not see a way that any team would take him at #11...20 yes 11 no.

I think Pollack is a guy that plays above his talent, which there is nothing wrong with that, but the problem is that I do not think he will come close to matching that AS A DE in the NFL. OLB probably so, just not DE.

[jksmith269]

I'll say it again he has 30.5" arms at DE it just won't fly.....how many of the Tackles that he has played against are in the NFL? My arms are 32" from pit to fist like measured in boxing and I'm only 5'10.........granted you cant measure his heart at the combine I just don't see him as a DE in the nfl maybe OLB where he can move more freely instead of being directly engaged by a tackle.....

[streetcredit]

Rack is always up peoples butts, but I gotta agree with him on Pollack. Production, hard work...he's a good pick at 20.

[ManicDepressiveMan]

I'll say it again he has 30.5" arms at DE it just won't fly.....how many of the Tackles that he has played against are in the NFL? My arms are 32" from pit to fist like measured in boxing and I'm only 5'10.........granted you cant measure his heart at the combine I just don't see him as a DE in the nfl maybe OLB where he can move more freely instead of being directly engaged by a tackle.....


OK, DE expert, why don't you explain to us how Pat Kerney got 13 sacks last season when his arms measure the same as Pollack's?

[Chocolate Lab]

Does Merriman remind anyone of Boss Bailey? Obviously Merriman is a lot bigger, but Boss also had all the crazy workout stats for a guy his size. A lot of people loved him because of his athleticism, but much like in college, he hasn't produced nearly as much as you'd think he would.

[Mike 1967]

What does 40 times have to do with a DE?

By the way, he ran a 4.75 electronic timed. Merriman ran a 4.66 hand timed. Hand times are usually .1 faster then electronic times.

Translation: Pollack ran just as fast as Merriman.


Also, Terrell Suggs ran a 4.8. So did Charles Haley. So did Simeon Rice.

Shall I go on?

LMAO!

It means he can chase down Donavon Mcnabb :- ) I'm tired of seeing Donavan Mcnabb run from our DE's and scramble for major yardage.

But I do see your point. Maybe they should have them run a 10 yard burst and time that. Would think that the initial burst is the key for DE's.

[jksmith269]

OK, DE expert, why don't you explain to us how Pat Kerney got 13 sacks last season when his arms measure the same as Pollack's?


I would think if his arms and Kerneys were the same length you would here coaches and scouts comparing the two....I haven't this is the first time I heard the Pat Kerneys arms were that short...... and as for the comments I have made are taken directly from what coachs and scouts said when he was working out at the combine...they said that with his arms being as short they thought he would have trouble getting around Tackles in the NFL they also said that his lack of speed in the 40 they thought he may not be able to speed rush around the Tackles......Does the 40speed translate to game speed?????? NO as for kerney I beleive he is a speed rusher........Maybe pollack will be fine I just wouldn't take him in the first round I don't think any teams will either but we will just have to wait and see.......

[The Great Number 8]

For what it's worth: Rob Rang has the Cowboys taking Pollack at #11. His analysis:

"Throw out the measureables with this guy and just watch him play football. Pollack shouldn't last this long, but very easily could. He will someday be considered one of the real bargains of the draft - even if he is selected in the top five. "

[InmanRoshi]

Does Merriman remind anyone of Boss Bailey? Obviously Merriman is a lot bigger, but Boss also had all the crazy workout stats for a guy his size. A lot of people loved him because of his athleticism, but much like in college, he hasn't produced nearly as much as you'd think he would.

Merriman had more more sacks and TFL's last year as a true junior than Pollack had his junior year (as a reshirt junior), and Merriman was playing a position where he had to drop back into coverage frequently.

Its important to keep in mind that Merriman is just 20 years old. There's a diffference between a workout wonder and a guy who has his best football ahead of him.

[Avery]

Wouldn't go for Pollack at #11. At #20, he'd definitely be in high consideration depending upon the board. I'm not sure how effective he'll be as a DE due to the huge OT's in the league, I'm afraid he's going to get swallowed up. I think he could make a pretty good LB however. It's plausible that he could drop to 250-255 and be a playmaker.

The guy has always gotten it done; I'd love to see him in a Cowboy uniform as a LB.

[jksmith269]

You know I like Demarcus Ware at OLB what does that say? everyone has there favorite. Do I think Pollack is a first rounder no but add that with a pile of beans and all you have is a pile of beans........It would not surprise me if we go in a totaly different direction with the 11.........if antrell is there I would take him if Dj were there take him....If you could have anyplayer at 11 who would it be for me it would be hard between Antrell and Alex Smith if I had to choose a DL or LB I would go with DJ or Merriman.......I'm not 100% sold on any player I do think Antrell Rolle is the best overall player this year and I would guess I feel that way because I saw him play more does that mean I'm right or wrong NO its just my opinion.......

[Natedawg44]

Its always somewhere in between workouts and on the field performance. You can't just totally discount a workout and forty times. If Freeney had run a 4.8 there is no way he would have went 11th to the Colts even though he had great on the field production. Alot of people laughed when they took him at 11th saying he was too short and was gonna be a bust. That 4.4 forty though elevated his stock and put him he should have been

[Chocolate Lab]

Merriman had more more sacks and TFL's last year as a junior than Pollack had his junior year, and Merriman was playing a position where he had to drop back into coverage frequently.
I'm not arguing which one is better, because honestly, I've seen very little of Pollack and zero of Merriman. Merriman might be the next LT for all I know. It just seems to me that Merriman could be like Boss -- a guy who is pretty good, not great, on the college level but shoots up the boards because people assume his Pro Day or combine stats indicate that he'll be much better in the pros.

[Phrozen Phil]

It's apparent from this debate that this draft is one of the toughest to call in recent years. For what it's worth, I think either Pollack or Merriman would be a solid addition to this team and would be a difference maker. If there's a "rush" on "rush" LB's, then the Boys may be forced to choose early. Having said that, last yer's draft had a rush on CB's and there are several draft "experts" who are predicting a similar situation this year. The first ten picks will tell us which direction we're headed and we'll see just how draft-savvy the Boys are this year. My take on draft day? Take the best player available at 11 on defense and take Mark Clayton at #20. He would be great value at that point if he lasts that long.

[InmanRoshi]

I'm not arguing which one is better, because honestly, I've seen very little of Pollack and zero of Merriman. Merriman might be the next LT for all I know. It just seems to me that Merriman could be like Boss -- a guy who is pretty good, not great, on the college level but shoots up the boards because people assume his Pro Day or combine stats indicate that he'll be much better in the pros.

There are two players you could compare Merriman to in that draft. Boss Bailey or Julis Peppers. I remember a lot of people asking if Peppers' is so great, why does he only have 9 sacks?

I think its more along the lines of Merriman being a very good college player at 20 years of age, and combining his age with his athletic potential, projecting him to be a very good player. If Merriman had taken a redshirt year and stayed for his senior season, who knows what kind of prospect he could be. The kid may still be growing, and could end up in the 285 range by the time he's Pollack's age.

[DLCassidy]

Here's a review of Pollack that sounds pretty accurate to me. I think Pollack would be a huge reach at 11, small reach at 20.



David Pollack DE Georgia 6’3 276
By: Robert Davis

David Pollack has been one of the high profile defenders in college football over the past two years, after having a breakout sophomore season for the Bulldogs. As a sophomore, he put up ridiculous numbers for a DE with 102 tackles, 23.5 of them for loss, and 14 sacks. His numbers dipped as he received more attention as a junior, and he ended up with 92 tackles, 13.5 for loss, and 7.5 sacks. He finished off his college career with 48 tackles, 14.5 for loss, and 9.5 sacks. He twice won the Coffee County Hustle Award given to the player who displays the most hustle during spring practice. For his senior season, Pollack won the Lomardi award, given to the nation’s top lineman, and the Bednarik award, given to the nation’s top defender.

Pollack is just a great football player. He has a knack for making plays, and just knows how to get to the football. His instincts are second to none. He is tough and will not back down from anyone. He excels at attacking up field and getting after the passer. Pollack is a hard worker, and you will not find a better person off the field.

Pollack is a tweener at the next level. He doesn’t appear big enough to take the pounding of a 43 DE, but he also may not have the athleticism or speed to make the transition to OLB. He doesn’t possess any standout physical ability that would make teams fall in love with his potential. David Pollack was a great college football player, but I don’t expect him to have the same type of playmaking ability at the NFL level. His toughness and instincts should make him a solid football player, though. He should be one of the safer picks in the draft, but because he lacks the huge upside, he probably won’t get drafted as high as his production in college suggests. I think Pollack’s draft stock is about that of where Jason Babin went last year. If he doesn’t pack on some weight, he projects best as a 3-4 OLB, and a team picking in the 20’s could snatch him up at that point.

[The30YardSlant]

Drafting David Pollack is just asking to be mocked for the next 5 years....

[LoneStar22]

You appear to have very little regard for production. Williamson a safer pick than Williams? Absolutely ridiculous. The one was a 700 yard receiver in a two-bit program. The other was a touchdown machine at a perennial power. Give me a break. Williamson has no business going before the second round. But because of his speed some team will be foolish enough to grab him in the first. I just hope it's not the Cowboys.





Williams came in at 225 and ran approx the same 40 time as he did last season at 245.

Williams has Boom/Bust he slow and has wieghed much more in the past, puts on 15 lbs he's another TE .. ie. Michael Ricks.


Like the player for Dallas but really believe there are safer picks at #11.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I too, believe Pollack will slip. I would not be surprised to see him still on the board in the second round. NFL guys are funny about this stuff.

[5mics]

Like to see Mike Williams at #11 but I think he has Boom/Bust potential. Troy Williamson may actually be a safer pick at WR. Pollack would actually be great at #20, DJ and Merriman will be gone especially after their workouts.

Williamson and Pollack or Cody hmmm...
Safer?! ?! :eek: Just based on their college careers alone, Williamson would be a safer pick?! WHOA!!! No freakin' way BUT everyone's entitled to their opinions...I guess... :cool:

[LoneStar22]

Safer?! ?! :eek: Just based on their college careers alone, Williamson would be a safer pick?! WHOA!!! No freakin' way BUT everyone's entitled to their opinions...I guess... :cool:



:nana:

I just think Mike Williams has major BOOM/BUST potential. Not sure I'd take Williamson either though...

[Rack Bauer]

I would think if his arms and Kerneys were the same length you would here coaches and scouts comparing the two


From NFL Draft Showcase:

QUICK STRENGTHS: Motor, playmaking ability, quickness
QUICK WEAKNESSES: Size
NFL COMPARISONS: Atlanta Falcon Patrick Kerney.

http://www.draftshowcase.com/DavidPollack.htm


Its always somewhere in between workouts and on the field performance. You can't just totally discount a workout and forty times.

You completely missed the whole point of this thread.

My point is Pollack actually had BETTER workout numbers then Merriman (aside from 3" on the vertical jump) and he had a much more productive college career.


Alot of people laughed when they took him at 11th saying he was too short and was gonna be a bust.


The way I remember it was a lot of people were surprised Freeney dropped as far as he did.


That 4.4 forty though elevated his stock and put him he should have been


That 4.4 forty hasn't made him the football player he is though. I can't recall him making any plays where he was wearing a t-shirt and shorts, getting in a sprinters stance, and running full speed in a straight line, untouched. His burst and relentlessness is what makes him great, not a 40 time.


There are two players you could compare Merriman to in that draft. Boss Bailey or Julis Peppers.

Merriman was nowhere NEAR the college football player that Peppers was. Horrible comparison.

[Bobo]

265lbs gets blown off the line Pollack would have to play OLB

You haven't seen him play, have you? This guy holds up very well against the run, part of that is probably due to leverage from being shorter.

I can list several ~265 NFL DE's I'd love to play RDE on this team.

[LoneStar22]

You haven't seen him play, have you? This guy holds up very well against the run, part of that is probably due to leverage from being shorter.

I can list several ~265 NFL DE's I'd love to play RDE on this team.



Like I said I'd take him at #20 without hesitation but at #11 I would be very disappointed because of the higher potential talent left on the board with more upside.

[jbsg02]

I think he will be there at 20.

I know this guy has injury problems, but I really like Erasmus James.

[LoneStar22]

You completely missed the whole point of this thread.

My point is Pollack actually had BETTER workout numbers then Merriman (aside from 3" on the vertical jump) and he had a much more productive college career.




The way I remember it was a lot of people were surprised Freeney dropped as far as he did.That 4.4 forty hasn't made him the football player he is though. I can't recall him making any plays where he was wearing a t-shirt and shorts, getting in a sprinters stance, and running full speed in a straight line, untouched. His burst and relentlessness is what makes him great, not a 40 time.





You forgot their 40 times, Pollack 4.8, Merriman 4.6

That Dwight Freeney 4.4, 40 is called intangibles things that cannot be touched by others, like a 40 inch Verticle at 274 lbs, great players tend to have them.

[Bobo]

I'll say it again he has 30.5" arms at DE it just won't fly.....how many of the Tackles that he has played against are in the NFL? My arms are 32" from pit to fist like measured in boxing and I'm only 5'10.........granted you cant measure his heart at the combine I just don't see him as a DE in the nfl maybe OLB where he can move more freely instead of being directly engaged by a tackle.....

So you're arms are only 3/4" less than Dwight Freeney's? Maybe the way your arm was measured and the way the NFL does it is different, but a 32" arm looks about avrerage for a 6-1 to 6-2 player. You would have freakishly long arms for a 5'10 guy. I saw arms being measured on NFL Network and they were doing it from the back of the arm. Don't know exactly where there stopping point was, looked near the shoulder blade. And I don't think players had their hands closed in a fist.

[Bobo]

Maybe the Pollack camp and Merriman camp can hold hands and sing Kumbaya when Dallas picks them both :D

[Rack Bauer]

You forgot their 40 times, Pollack 4.8, Merriman 4.6


Pollack ran a 4.75 ELECTRONIC TIMED. Merriman ran a 4.66 HAND TIMED. Hand times are roughly .1 faster then electronic times. That means they ran the SAME time.



Maybe the Pollack camp and Merriman camp can hold hands and sing Kumbaya when Dallas picks them both


I wouldn't complain about that.

[LoneStar22]

Pollack ran a 4.75 ELECTRONIC TIMED. Merriman ran a 4.66 HAND TIMED. Hand times are roughly .1 faster then electronic times. That means they ran the SAME time.




Would you be interested in buying real estate?

[Sandman52]

Actually, when I see DJ, I think of Boss Bailey. Pollack at #20 might be nice, but I feel he'll be like Denney or Schobel.

[AsthmaField]

That Dwight Freeney 4.4, 40 is called intangibles things that cannot be touched by others, like a 40 inch Verticle at 274 lbs, great players tend to have them.


Actually, I think 40 times and vetical jumps are often referred to as measurables.

Intangibles, to me, are things like working hard on every play... a knack for getting off blocks... the ability to use leverage to you're advantage... good locker room presence. Things that you can't measure with a stopwatch or a tape measure. That's what I've always heard used when listing intangibles, not measurables like vertical jump and 40 time.

[LoneStar22]

Actually, I think 40 times and vetical jumps are often referred to as measurables.

Intangibles, to me, are things like working hard on every play... a knack for getting off blocks... the ability to use leverage to you're advantage... good locker room presence. Things that you can't measure with a stopwatch or a tape measure. That's what I've always heard used when listing intangibles, not measurables like vertical jump and 40 time.

I agree...okay Merriman is simply a better prospect, well instead of beating a dead horse.

[Natedawg44]

The way I remember it was a lot of people were surprised Freeney dropped as far as he did.
Actually 11 was considered way early for Freeney at the time he was a borderline 1st rounder until he ran that blistering time. He rose up the boards he didn't fall.

That 4.4 forty hasn't made him the football player he is though. I can't recall him making any plays where he was wearing a t-shirt and shorts, getting in a sprinters stance, and running full speed in a straight line, untouched.
True but I've seen him make alot of plays coming around the corner faster than anyone in the NFL.
His burst and relentlessness is what makes him great, not a 40 time.
And his incredible burst was PROVEN by a incredible 40 time before the draft.

[Natedawg44]

Heck this is all a moot point anyway I think Merriman goes at number 3 to the browns.

[Bobo]

Actually, when I see DJ, I think of Boss Bailey. Pollack at #20 might be nice, but I feel he'll be like Denney or Schobel.

It'd be nice to have an Aaron Schobel type, but I'd expect Pollack to do a little more, especially if picked in the 1st. Still Schobel type production wouldn't be bad, but I don't know about Denney.

[LoneStar22]

Actually 11 was considered way early for Freeney at the time he was a borderline 1st rounder until he ran that blistering time. He rose up the boards he didn't fall.


True but I've seen him make alot of plays coming around the corner faster than anyone in the NFL.

And his incredible burst was PROVEN by a incredible 40 time before the draft.



Great Points Natedawg


Merriman at #3 OVERALL ..... the Browns Coach has been very agressive thus far.

[The30YardSlant]

Great Points Natedawg


Merriman at #3 OVERALL ..... the Browns Coach has been very agressive thus far.

If Cleveland picks Merriman over DJ I would be floored

[Bobo]

I don't think there's any way Merriman goes #3.

[jimmy40]

What does 40 times have to do with a DE?


LMAO!Absolutely nothing if your playing against our QB, that's for sure.

[Nors]

To figure out which players to pick, experts should roll tape
Feb. 25, 2001
By Pete Prisco
SportsLine.com Senior Writer
Tell Pete your opinion!




INDIANAPOLIS -- They raved about his wingspan. They loved his size, too. But what really excited the NFL scouts about Texas tackle Leonard Davis this weekend was his impressive times in one of the short sprints.

Davis, a huge man at 6-feet-6, 370 pounds, came to the combine with the reputation as a powerful player who dominated opponents at the college level. The tapes told the scouts all the needed to know about his ability on that level.



Mike Mamula improved his stock at the combine, but hasn't lived up to first-round expectations.(Allsport)

"He engulfs people," said one NFC scout. "But we all wanted to know about his quickness."

Davis showed enough of it here at the combine to solidify himself a position in the top 10 of the draft, and likely will be the first offensive lineman taken. But is a 10-yard shuttle run really a tell-tale sign that Davis is quick enough? Or good enough?

That's the debate that rages on about these combine workouts: Are they really that important?

Some teams certainly think so, but like they say in scouting: The eye in the sky don't lie.

Translated: There's nothing better than watching the tape.

"I believe you have to go by what a guy does on film" Buffalo Bills coach Gregg Williams said. "I think if you see guys making plays on film, then you're a likely going to see them make plays in our league. You can't go by workouts."

Yet it happens.

Philadelphia Eagles defensive end Mike Mamula might be the poster-child for the workout-warrior gang. He came here in 1995 regarded as a decent college player who might be a third-to-fifth round choice. When he left, he was the talk of the combine, his workout having impressed all the scouts.

Mamula was selected with the seventh pick in the first round by the Eagles. Although a solid player, he has never lived up to that potential, a case study in how scouts should avoid letting workouts influence their decisions.

"The workouts are part of the process," Saints assistant general manager Charley Bailey said. "A very, very important part of it."

"They're important to see what kind of athlete a guy is when measuring him against another player at that position," said an NFC scout. "But teams put far too much emphasis on these workouts."

This isn't to say they can't be helpful. When Jaguars running back Fred Taylor came out of Florida, he ran a 4.2 on grass at his workout at the school. That left many coaches with stunned looks on their face, and earned him a spot in the top 10. But did the coaches really need top see Taylor run a 40 to know that he had game-breaking speed? The tapes of his play at Florida were more than enough to show he could turn a short gain into a long touchdown.

Taylor has since grown into one of the best big-play backs in the league, but you can bet that workout had nothing to do with it. Taylor, like so many of these players, shows what he can do on the field.

When Baltimore linebacker Ray Lewis came out of Miami, he was considered too small by some when he was measured at the combine, which is why he fell to bottom of the first round. But Ravens vice president of player personnel Ozzie Newsome said he saw enough on tape to know that Lewis would be a big-time player.

"All he did was make tackles," Newsome said. "You have to pay attention to what's happening on the field."

Yet each year the NFL spends a fortune working out the draft-eligible players, putting tons of stock in the workouts. The workouts have become so important the agents are now paying for their players to prepare for them in the months leading up to them.

"If they're going to make them such a big deal, why not prepare your guys?" said one agent. "I think sometimes these NFL guys forget these are football players first."

This isn't to say the combine isn't helpful. It a chance for teams to get all the medical information on the players, as well as interview players face to face. Many teams also administer psychological tests at the combine, aimed at trying to get a better gauge of the player.

The Giants give one of the lengthiest and the team stands by the results.

"That test is invaluable," said GM Ernie Accorsi, who helped build the Giants into a Super Bowl contender.

The test is aimed at trying to determine if a player will be a team player, a guy who isn't a me player. That could be tough in this era of the NFL, but Accorsi insists it helps weed out the me-first players.

The players who take the test have a tough time seeing how. One offensive lineman from a Midwest school was sent the test before his arrival in Indianapolis. He looked it over and was shocked by some of the questions.

"One question asked if you were ticklish," said the player. "What does that have to do with playing football? And how are you supposed to answer that?"

Here some other questions appearing on the test:

If you could be a dog or a cat, which would you choose?
If you found a wallet on the street, what would you do with it? Take out the money and leave it there isn't the right response. But what is?
And what does it say about a player if he answers return to the owner? That if he recovers a fumble he'll give it back?
All the testing and workouts might actually be a way to keep the NFL people busy in the offseason. That has to be the explanation, because by the time the college season is over, they have all the tapes dissected by most of the personnel people. Seeing players on tape is the only real important thing when it comes to drafting.
Workouts and testing shouldn't be reasons to take or not take a player.

Football is about what happens on the field. There might be a lot less draft failures if the NFL personnel people -- coaches included -- paid far more attention to what the eye in the sky says.

Remember, it won't lie -- which you can't say about the rest of these guys.

[The30YardSlant]

40 times DO matter to a DE.

Want to guess who the 3 fastest DE's in the NFL are? Javon Kearse, Julius Peppers and Jason Taylor. Coincidence? I think not.

[LoneStar22]

If Cleveland picks Merriman over DJ I would be floored




49ers Aaron Rogers or Braylon Edwards

Miami Alex Smith or Ced Benson

Cleveland QB or, doesn't need RB, takes Defense

[The30YardSlant]

49ers Aaron Rogers or Braylon Edwards

Miami Alex Smith or Ced Benson

Cleveland doesn't need RB, takes Defense

Exactly, and DJ is a better defensive player than Merriman. So why would they pick Merriman over DJ is the question.

[AsthmaField]

I agree...okay Merriman is simply a better prospect, well instead of beating a dead horse.


I agree that Merriman is the better prospect. I wouldn't blink taking him at 11, and I wouldn't take Pollack at 11.

However, I fully understand what Rack is trying to say here. Good times in the agility drills are far more indicative of success at DL/LB, than the 40 is, IMO.

First step quickness, change of direction, explosiveness... are things that help defenders get through and around blockers. That's what gets them into the backfield quickly... and that is measured by the agility drills, not the 40.

Vertical jump, as someone has already stated, is not to see who can jump the highest... but who has the most explosiveness... which translates directly into first step quickness. So I would say that VJ is relatively important to DL/LB.

I usually feel the same way as Rack about this. This time though, I see Merriman as much more than a "Mamula" player. He has produced, and is so young that you'd think if he were in Pollack's situation at Pollack's age, he'd do at least as well.

Plus, Merriman was moved from OLB in a 4-3 (which isn't a sack position) to DE (which is). Had he been put at DE and kept there he might have had many more statistics than he does. Also, I'd wager that Georgia had better players, for the most part, around Pollack than Maryland had around Merriman.

Could I see Pollack playing better in the pro's? Absolutely. If I had to bet now though, I'd think that Merriman had a better shot at being a true force but that Pollack has less of a chance at being a bust.

I think what you see is what you get with Pollack, and his bust potential is low. He'll be a good player, but probably, that's about it.

Merriman could be a star. He could be a true difference maker and is worthy of the 11th pick. Pollack isn't, IMO.

[LoneStar22]

Exactly, and DJ is a better defensive player than Merriman. So why would they pick Merriman over DJ is the question.


Merriman has size over DJ some scouts may have him ranked better.

I'd say it was more likely Cleveland goes QB if one is available but if not LB is a need for them.

[The30YardSlant]

Merriman has size over DJ some scouts may have him ranked better.

I'd say it was more likely Cleveland goes QB if one is available but if not LB is a need for them.

DJ is a pure bred LB, Merriman is a tweener. DJ WILL be the better player if for no other reason but this. He knows how to play LB, Merriman will have to learn.

[Natedawg44]

Exactly, and DJ is a better defensive player than Merriman. So why would they pick Merriman over DJ is the question.

Because Crennel runs a 3-4 maybe he thinks Johnson is a Bad fit for the 3-4 which is very likely when you read all of the scouting reports. Cleveland just signed Hartwell, Merriman is the closest thing to McGuinnest in this draft. I think he hitches his wagon to Dilfer and takes Merriman at 3.

[Bobo]

40 times DO matter to a DE.

Want to guess who the 3 fastest DE's in the NFL are? Javon Kearse, Julius Peppers and Jason Taylor. Coincidence? I think not.

And where are you getting that info? I've read Peppers runs a 4.7 on more than 1 site.

What was that guys name last year that ran a 4.4 and many people made such a big deal about? Think the Gints drafted him....and then cut him. The 40 is relevant, but not any more than 10 yard, SS, 3 cone, and the jumps IMO. If anything, all those other measurables should be more relevant for a DE than the 40.

[InmanRoshi]

Let it be known that I would be happy with both players.

... but not Pollack at #11.

[LoneStar22]

DJ is a pure bred LB, Merriman is a tweener. DJ WILL be the better player if for no other reason but this. He knows how to play LB, Merriman will have to learn.


How is Merriman a Tweener OLB at 6.4 274 and Johnson isn't at 6.3 242?

[The30YardSlant]

And where are you getting that info? I've read Peppers runs a 4.7 on more than 1 site.

What was that guys name last year that ran a 4.4 and many people made such a big deal about? Think the Gints drafted him....and then cut him. The 40 is relevant, but not any more than 10 yard, SS, 3 cone, and the jumps IMO. If anything, all those other measurables should be more relevant for a DE than the 40.

Kearse ran a 4.5 when he was with Tennessee. I rememebr reading that peppers ran a 4.6 at the combine before he was drafted, and Taylor runs in the low 4.6 range. In fact, the only elite DE that I can think of without decent speed is Richard Seymour, but he is the strongest DE Ive ever seen.

[The30YardSlant]

How is Merriman a Tweener OLB at 6.4 274 and Johnson isn't at 6.3 242?

Because Merriman played 3 years of DE in college and Johnson was an All-American MLB for the last 2 seasons, thats why.

[LoneStar22]

Because Merriman played 3 years of DE in college and Johnson was an All-American MLB for the last 2 seasons, thats why.


Right...Tweener DE

[InmanRoshi]

Kearse ran a 4.47 at the Combine at 6'5" 255. His first 10 yards were the fastest of any player since Deion. He fell to #16 because people said he was a tweener, a linebacker at UF, and a workout warrior who didn't have instincts for the game.

Kearney was a bit of an athletic freak too. He was a converted Lacrosse player at Viriginia who didn't have much experience at football. He was also taken more for athletic ability than college production.

[The30YardSlant]

Right...Tweener DE

No, his NATURAL position is DE. He played DE all through HS and college. He is a tweener LB.

[LoneStar22]

No, his NATURAL position is DE. He played DE all through HS and college. He is a tweener LB.


Tweener means smallish. 6.4 274 isn't a smallish OLB.

[The30YardSlant]

Tweener means smallish. 6.4 274 isn't a smallish OLB.

A Tweener can be any athlete who can play more than one position but doesnt have a natural one per say. Merriman is to thin and frail to play DE in the Pros, but doesnt have any experiance really at OLB.

However, he is NOT to small to play DE. Dwight Freeney is 6'1'', 260. He is just very thin for his weight.

[Bobo]

Kearse ran a 4.5 when he was with Tennessee. I rememebr reading that peppers ran a 4.6 at the combine before he was drafted, and Taylor runs in the low 4.6 range. In fact, the only elite DE that I can think of without decent speed is Richard Seymour, but he is the strongest DE Ive ever seen.

Well Kearse actually ran a 4.4, but who's cutting hairs? ;) I'm suprised you left out Freeney, another 4.4 guy. But of all the 40 times of good DE's (and not so good DE's) I've seen, there seems to be no direct correlation between 40 times and production. I've seen Strahan runs a 4.7, Kerney a 4.7, KGB a 4.7, Howard a 4.8, Suggs a 4.8, etc. Then I've seen guys you've never heard of run 4.4-4.6 times.

I'd rather have more speed than less, but there's a lot more to a good DE than 40 times.

[The30YardSlant]

Well Kearse actually ran a 4.4, but who's cutting hairs? ;) I'm suprised you left out Freeney, another 4.4 guy. But of all the 40 times of good DE's (and not so good DE's) I've seen, there seems to be no direct correlation between 40 times and production. I've seen Strahan runs a 4.7, Kerney a 4.7, KGB a 4.7, Howard a 4.8, Suggs a 4.8, etc. Then I've seen guys you've never heard of run 4.4-4.6 times.

I'd rather have more speed than less, but there's a lot more to a good DE than 40 times.

4.7 is FAST when you are 6'6'', 270.

[LoneStar22]

A Tweener can be any athlete who can play more than one position but doesnt have a natural one per say. .
:mule:

[The30YardSlant]

:mule:

Look at the NBA, Antwan Jamison is 6'10'' yet is considered a tweener SF-PF. 6'10'' is big for a SF or PF. The same applies to Merriman.

[LoneStar22]

Look at the NBA, Antwan Jamison is 6'10'' yet is considered a tweener SF-PF. 6'10'' is big for a SF or PF. The same applies to Merriman.


:banghead: ......if you are a tweener then you are smallish for your position...that's the last time, not saying it again.

[Rack Bauer]

Want to guess who the 3 fastest DE's in the NFL are? Javon Kearse, Julius Peppers and Jason Taylor. Coincidence? I think not.


Those are NOT the 3 fastest DEs in the NFL. The ability to change directions quickly and the first TWO steps are the most important for DE, not how fast the run 40 yards.


I rememebr reading that peppers ran a 4.6 at the combine before he was drafted


Well either you're lying or you read wrong cuz Peppers didn't run at the combine.

[LoneStar22]

Well either you're lying or you read wrong cuz Peppers didn't run at the combine.


He ran at his pro day.

[Sandman52]

Cleveland just signed Hartwell
They did? I thought it was down to Atlanta and Seattle with an outside shot of KC.

if you are a tweener then you are smallish for your position
I thought 'tweener' meant "between positions." It's not always a case of being too small. You could also be too big for a position like WR, LB, or S.

[LoneStar22]

I thought 'tweener' meant "between positions." It's not always a case of being too small. You could also be too big for a position like WR, LB, or S.


You thought wrong. :bang2:

[Hostile]

They did? I thought it was down to Atlanta and Seattle with an outside shot of KC.


I thought 'tweener' meant "between positions." It's not always a case of being too small. You could also be too big for a position like WR, LB, or S.A "Tweener" means someone who is considered too small to play one position and too big to play another. 9 times out of 10 it is about someone who will play either DE or OLB, one or the other. For example, Tedy Bruschi was considered too small to play DE but too big to play LB. He eneded up losing weight and being a true LB.

It works both ways.

[The30YardSlant]

They did? I thought it was down to Atlanta and Seattle with an outside shot of KC.


I thought 'tweener' meant "between positions." It's not always a case of being too small. You could also be too big for a position like WR, LB, or S.

It is. Hes just ignorant.

[The30YardSlant]

Those are NOT the 3 fastest DEs in the NFL. The ability to change directions quickly and the first TWO steps are the most important for DE, not how fast the run 40 yards.





Well either you're lying or you read wrong cuz Peppers didn't run at the combine.

Combine, pro day, same difference :rolleyes:

[Rack Bauer]

Combine, pro day, same difference


No, it isn't. At the combine everyone is running on the same surface and they are electronically timed. At prodays they are hand timed and run on faster surfaces (usually).

[LoneStar22]

:quack: No, it isn't. At the combine everyone is running on the same surface and they are electronically timed. At prodays they are hand timed and run on faster surfaces (usually).

[ghettogandhi]

You haven't seen him play, have you? This guy holds up very well against the run, part of that is probably due to leverage from being shorter.

I can list several ~265 NFL DE's I'd love to play RDE on this team.

Rack is misguided- he admitted two weeks ago that he has never seen Merriman play yet he is an expert when it comes to his talent and productivity-

Rack is Wack

[Rack Bauer]

That has a whole lot of meaning coming from a Maryland homer.


Ghettogandi se la come. :rolleyes:

[LoneStar22]

How's your dog doing now that's it's not the cuddly little puppy it once was?

[Sandman52]

A "Tweener" means someone who is considered too small to play one position and too big to play another. 9 times out of 10 it is about someone who will play either DE or OLB, one or the other. For example, Tedy Bruschi was considered too small to play DE but too big to play LB. He eneded up losing weight and being a true LB.

It works both ways.
So that's pretty much what I said. Between either a LB position or a DE position. :pinkpant:

[LoneStar22]

He is a tweener at DE NOT at OLB....


Have a cup of common sense every now and again, Tweener cannot will not and has never meant to describe a person too large for a position.

[Rack Bauer]

How's your dog doing now that's it's not the cuddly little puppy it once was?


Now he's a cuddly, big, furry, grouchy dog.

[LoneStar22]

Now he's a cuddly, big, furry, grouchy dog.


Maybe if he got more exercise he wouldn't be so grouchy.


My Goldens run/walk atleast 15 miles a week, minimum. It takes about 1 hour a day. Surely you can spare 1 hour a day for your best friend, who would be ready 24 hours out of the day to go.

[Rack Bauer]

Yeah I walk him (and my other dog) almost every day, 2 miles everytime. So They walk about 10-14 miles a week.

[ghettogandhi]

Heck this is all a moot point anyway I think Merriman goes at number 3 to the browns.

unfortunately I agree with you- to bad these qbs are great prospects this year on they would definitely take one-

[AsthmaField]

He is a tweener at DE NOT at OLB....


Have a cup of common sense every now and again, Tweener cannot will not and has never meant to describe a person too large for a position.

A tweener is short for between.

In the case of a football player being a tweener, it means he's "between" positions. Like Hos said... too small for DE and too big for OLB.

Too big meaning that he doesn't have the movement skills for OLB (usually in a 4-3). Too bulky to provide good coverage on a consistent basis and therefore will be unsuccessful covering backs and TE's.

That "tweener" who lacks the movement skills for a 4-3 linebacker is perfect for a 3-4 linebacker. In essence, he's not a tweener anymore since being placed in a 3-4. He's way too small for DE and just right for OLB.

So tweener, like Hos said, describes someone too big for one position and too small for another.