Playing FS

[btcutter]

Frazier shown some potential at CB. He's a decent tackler as well. Not sure about his speed and anticipation. We can consider either him or Hunter at FS and nickle CB. They both got good size and talent. Just raw and need PT.

[RoysAHitta]

i'd rather have hunter playing FS, then give frazier a shot at nickel back. hunters flat out speed and extra year in the system should be put to use in our secondary.

[junk]

Bruce Thornton is the guy I would look at it. He was projected to FS by many scouts.

[LoneStar22]

i'd rather have hunter playing FS, then give frazier a shot at nickel back. hunters flat out speed and extra year in the system should be put to use in our secondary.


I have so blown my wad on Hunter.... :shootfoot

[RoysAHitta]

well, physically he has it.. mentally im not so sure. the guy does seem confident in his skills though, asking for a trade and all. he'd be a cheap and possibly very rewarding answer to fs. i forgot about thorton though, i just knew bill wasn't to big on him. fs might suit him better than cb.

[jswalker1981]

I always thought that hunter should play FS. He has such great speed, he can make up for any lost ground. I don't think he can play at the line against a wr, but if he can see what is happening, I believe he can be a heck of a playmaker. Now, with that being said, I would like to sign someone to be a free safety. I don't trust his maturity right now. Having confidence in your skills, and actually having skills are two different things. I guess this is one of those things that you have to trust Bill on. I hope that Hunter will see the Henry signing as a way to step up as a free safety instead of someone taking his starting job (which he had for just two seconds).

[Chuck 54]

one of hunter's biggest weaknesses....ummm...other than he can't cover a WR....is his poor tackling. He's no safety, imo.

[Hollywood Henderson]

Yes, I bet Hunter is our FS come opening day...He has the size, speed & tackle ability to excell there..

I like Davis as a Nickle/dime S and I think Thorton/Frazier will battle for nickle/dime CB roles...

The coaches were high on Thorton in camp, he just wasn't on ST is why he was inactive early...

Lets hope the new DB coach Bowles develops what we have...
He HAS to be 1000% better then zimmy WUSS ever was/is...

[Seven]

one of hunter's biggest weaknesses....ummm...other than he can't cover a WR....is his poor tackling. He's no safety, imo.

World's worst perception of Hunter ever documented. This statement needs to be validated by the author. NOT with speculation but with facts. Sorry Wayne, but talk about heresy, this is not true IMO. Trying not to flame you or anything, just need to know the reason in how you deduce this.http://cowboyszone.com/forums/images/icons/icon11.gif

[LoneStar22]

World's worst perception of Hunter ever documented. This statement needs to be validated by the author. NOT with speculation but with facts. Sorry Wayne, but talk about heresy, this is not true IMO. Trying not to flame you or anything, just need to know the reason in how you deduce this.http://cowboyszone.com/forums/images/icons/icon11.gif


Since when can he tackle or cover? He has all the measurables that got him to the NFL level but IS somwhat lacking in basic football skills which makes it hard to believe he ever made it this far.

Hunters' mentality would need to be drastically overhauled to play FS, think about Kieth Davis, you don't see that kind of natural intensity atall in Hunter translating on the field.

[Seven]

Since when can he tackle or cover? He has all the measurables that got him to the NFL level but IS somwhat lacking in basic football skills which makes it hard to believe he ever made it this far.

Hunters' mentality would need to be drastically overhauled to play FS, think about Kieth Davis, you don't see that kind of natural intensity atall in Hunter translating on the field.

Since when couldn't he? Are you using osmosis to feel the natural intensity?
Agression is displayed with several different masks my friend. Your comments are pure speculation especially since the guy hasn't played in over a year. Pretty harsh analysis don't you think? I had posted a few days ago close to the same opinion as you on the mental aspect of being a safety. His physical attribute is definitely there. I nor anyone else could not say he tackles well or not at this point. I also have nothing against Davis. Let them battle it out. To say Davis is better than Hunter is.....Funny actually. Keep on feeling the team maestro and let us in on your secret as to how you do this.And by all means, let us know via telekinesis.http://cowboyszone.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif
We will agree to disagree and that's cool too.

[LoneStar22]

Since when couldn't he? Are you using osmosis to feel the natural intensity?
Agression is displayed with several different masks my friend. Your comments are pure speculation especially since the guy hasn't played in over a year. Pretty harsh analysis don't you think? I had posted a few days ago close to the same opinion as you on the mental aspect of being a safety. His physical attribute is definitely there. I nor anyone else could not say he tackles well or not at this point. I also have nothing against Davis. Let them battle it out. To say Davis is better than Hunter is.....Funny actually. Keep on feeling the team maestro and let us in on your secret as to how you do this.And by all means, let us know via telekinesis.http://cowboyszone.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif
We will agree to disagree and that's cool too.


Pass that stuff man your Humphry. :explode:

[jobberone]

Who has seen Hunter in camp. I haven't seen enough of him to really get a feel for him on the field. Can he tackle? I think his coverage skills are unknown for sure but it appears he can cover esp from the FS position.

Davis has been quoted by Bill, and this is heresay, as taking too many chances. If that is true it could just be what appears to be general distrust by Bill and probably a little bit of that aggression we see on ST. Davis should at least make the team as a backup safety unless they move Hunter and bring in a veteran or even draft a sleeper who can start (which would amaze me).

Some people here are gonna wig out if Lynn Scott beats everyone out as the second safety. :)

[Seven]

Pass that stuff man your Humphry. :explode:



Can't pass it when you're bogartin'!! Dude it's puff puff give!!!!!!!!

[jterrell]

Hunter is ideal as a 3rd CB if he is healthy.
Frazier is ideal as 4th, Thornton as 5th, Reeves as 6th, Jones as 7th.

If we learned anything last year it was that teams love to go 3-4 and even 5 psuedo WR sets on you. Think Witten, Richie Anderson and 3 Wides for Dallas.

Hunter is fine to me as a 3rd CB and backup FS. A nickel and dime type player who may well get his chance after injury to prove he deserves more.

I am in favor of signing or drafting a true FS.

FS and CB are not equal.

[jobberone]

Hunter is ideal as a 3rd CB if he is healthy.
Frazier is ideal as 4th, Thornton as 5th, Reeves as 6th, Jones as 7th.

If we learned anything last year it was that teams love to go 3-4 and even 5 psuedo WR sets on you. Think Witten, Richie Anderson and 3 Wides for Dallas.

Hunter is fine to me as a 3rd CB and backup FS. A nickel and dime type player who may well get his chance after injury to prove he deserves more.

I am in favor of signing or drafting a true FS.

FS and CB are not equal.

Agree with it all. I just don't know really what his coverage skills are so I don't know if he is a 3rd CB. But he does have the size to play both if he can tackle and recognize defenses yada.

[jterrell]

Agree with it all. I just don't know really what his coverage skills are so I don't know if he is a 3rd CB. But he does have the size to play both if he can tackle and recognize defenses yada.
Watching him cover on Hard Knocks he could cover. Not sure after the injury but he certianly has the size and speed to do so. He was a whole lot better than say Roy Williams in coverage. Which just means he wasnt covering like a safety.

He went into camp as a starter because the team who saw him play every day evaluated him as being able to cover so no need to doubt that he has the basic skillset to do so.

I'd keep 11 DBs with all the guy who play STs.
4 Safeties and 7 CBs.

Jones, Reeves, Davis and Thornton need to play serious STs.

[Nors]

We just can't go into the season with Scott, Hunter, Dixon at FS. Just can't do it.
This whole secondary needs a veteran presence to pull the secondary together. Not some inexperienced guys running around getting toasted.

[junk]

We just can't go into the season with Scott, Hunter, Dixon at FS. Just can't do it.
This whole secondary needs a veteran presence to pull the secondary together. Not some inexperienced guys running around getting toasted.

Who did you have in mind? :)

The issue I have with Hunter is that it seems to take him a long time to adjust to a new position. I thought he was starting to come on as a nickel back, then he moved on to the starter. Didn't get much of a shot there.

Remember Hard Knocks? He didn't seem like the brightest guy.

I personally still like Pete as a corner myself. I think he can be better than Frazier.

[5mics]

Frazier shown some potential at CB. He's a decent tackler as well. Not sure about his speed and anticipation. We can consider either him or Hunter at FS and nickle CB. They both got good size and talent. Just raw and need PT.
Pretty small for a starting FS. Better off as a nickel back...

[Sandman52]

Hunter is ideal as a 3rd CB if he is healthy.
Frazier is ideal as 4th, Thornton as 5th, Reeves as 6th, Jones as 7th.
I hope we can get some production out of at least 3 of those guys. It'd be a d@mn waste of draft picks and time. :rake:

[Big D]

Who did you have in mind? :)

The issue I have with Hunter is that it seems to take him a long time to adjust to a new position. I thought he was starting to come on as a nickel back, then he moved on to the starter. Didn't get much of a shot there.

Remember Hard Knocks? He didn't seem like the brightest guy.

I personally still like Pete as a corner myself. I think he can be better than Frazier.


Not only that, but he seemed to all but give up and ask for a trade when henry was signed. Not the mental reaction you want to see out of a competitor.

Maybe its just me but Hunter has cut himself in my book.

[AMERICAS_FAN]

I just don't understand all the hate on Pete Hunter. The guy played well enough at Nickel-back to earn a shot as a starting cornerback. And before he could get rolling he got hurt. So is that his downfall - that he got hurt? It would be foolosh to suggest that.

I have no problems with Hunter. I know he would rather play CB, and that's probably because he fells the injury kept him from proving himself there and he would like another chance to prove he can play CB. But if the staff wants to move him to FS and he choses to compete there then I'm fine with that also. I think he'll surprise us there if it comes to this. Hunter has played well as a Nickel-back which translates well to playing FS.

Finally, Keith Davis has backup potential at FS too. And I remember reading early this offseaso tnat the staff wanted to get Davis more imvolved at FS but not on a full-time basis because they primarily want him for his special teams play. So I think Davis is penciled in as the FS backup wih Hunter as the starter for now. And I'm fine with that, so I don't think we need to bring in a Free agent at FS. Drafting one wouldn't be a bad idea though. Depth is always good and it would add competition.

AF

[junk]

I just don't understand all the hate on Pete Hunter. The guy played well enough at Nickel-back to earn a shot as a starting cornerback. And before he could get rolling he got hurt. So is that his downfall - that he got hurt? It would be foolosh to suggest that.

I have no problems with Hunter. I know he would rather play CB, and that's probably because he fells the injury kept him from proving himself there and he would like another chance to prove he can play CB. But if the staff wants to move him to FS and he choses to compete there then I'm fine with that also. I think he'll surprise us there if it comes to this. Hunter has played well as a Nickel-back which translates well to playing FS.

AF

Hopefully, my quote didn't seem like hate of Hunter. I actually like his combination of skills and I think he could be something special if he put it together. I am rooting for him. Time is running out though and he hasn't proven to me that he is the terribly intelligent.

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Hopefully, my quote didn't seem like hate of Hunter. I actually like his combination of skills and I think he could be something special if he put it together. I am rooting for him. Time is running out though and he hasn't proven to me that he is the terribly intelligent.

I would not oppose seeing Dallas draft a FS to compete with Hunter. Davis is penciled in as the backup because the club mainly wants him full-time on special teams. And Scott seems more like a backup to me too. Pete Hunter is really all we have at FS now. If we bring in a veteran I'd rather we did it after june 1st when more guys come available.

AF

[jobberone]

Watching him cover on Hard Knocks he could cover. Not sure after the injury but he certianly has the size and speed to do so. He was a whole lot better than say Roy Williams in coverage. Which just means he wasnt covering like a safety.

He went into camp as a starter because the team who saw him play every day evaluated him as being able to cover so no need to doubt that he has the basic skillset to do so.

I'd keep 11 DBs with all the guy who play STs.
4 Safeties and 7 CBs.

Jones, Reeves, Davis and Thornton need to play serious STs.

Depends on who they draft and how these guy do in camp but I'd say 4 and 6/7 is right.

[jobberone]

We just can't go into the season with Scott, Hunter, Dixon at FS. Just can't do it.
This whole secondary needs a veteran presence to pull the secondary together. Not some inexperienced guys running around getting toasted.

We won't. Dixon is gone most likely. Hunter is still at FS. Dantzler is in Europe. They'll address this in the draft, FA and pickups during camp.

[Chuck 54]

World's worst perception of Hunter ever documented. This statement needs to be validated by the author. NOT with speculation but with facts. Sorry Wayne, but talk about heresy, this is not true IMO. Trying not to flame you or anything, just need to know the reason in how you deduce this.http://cowboyszone.com/forums/images/icons/icon11.gif
How about checking your game film or more importantly your archives....I get this from DMN and forum posted articles....one of the biggest knocks on Hunter last year by coaches and by the media was that he missed way too many tackles. I wasn't posting my opinion...my opinion is that he sucks and can't cover his own shadow and that Frazier was much better. My opinion on his tackling ability is strictly recall of articles from the early part of last season.

[Chuck 54]

Since when couldn't he? Are you using osmosis to feel the natural intensity?
Agression is displayed with several different masks my friend. Your comments are pure speculation especially since the guy hasn't played in over a year. Pretty harsh analysis don't you think? I had posted a few days ago close to the same opinion as you on the mental aspect of being a safety. His physical attribute is definitely there. I nor anyone else could not say he tackles well or not at this point. I also have nothing against Davis. Let them battle it out. To say Davis is better than Hunter is.....Funny actually. Keep on feeling the team maestro and let us in on your secret as to how you do this.And by all means, let us know via telekinesis.http://cowboyszone.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif
We will agree to disagree and that's cool too.
It hasn't been a year...he was poor all preseason and he did play before his injury...he was the weakest spot in the secondary, and he struggled to beat out Powell who was later cut. Those are not speculation, but facts.

[Chuck 54]

Watching him cover on Hard Knocks he could cover. Not sure after the injury but he certianly has the size and speed to do so. He was a whole lot better than say Roy Williams in coverage. Which just means he wasnt covering like a safety.

He went into camp as a starter because the team who saw him play every day evaluated him as being able to cover so no need to doubt that he has the basic skillset to do so.

I'd keep 11 DBs with all the guy who play STs.
4 Safeties and 7 CBs.

Jones, Reeves, Davis and Thornton need to play serious STs.
only a minor correction....hunter wasn't named the starting cb over Powell until the week before the first game....hunter was terrible last year before the injury....he was the reason we were out of sync in the secondary, and it continued after his injury...it took the entire offseason for BP to name him the starter over powell, and we know what later happened to powell...i don't think that gives me much confidence that hunter can do anything...not saying he can't, but I can guarantee you Parcells won't make the same mistake again of assuming Hunter will win a role.

[K-Mart]

Bruce Thornton is the guy I would look at it. He was projected to FS by many scouts.


Thornton's major problem, and he showed this in camp, was a lack of confidence while playing. Not sure you want him playing centerfield. He was a reach in the 4th round anyways.

[Chuck 54]

For the record, Hunter played the first 3 games of the season and the preseason....in those three games, despite being thrown at continually, he made 6 total tackles and defensed "0" passes...he did make 1 INT that everyone should remember...he was 5 yards away from the guy he was supposed to be covering and the ball was tipped and fell right into his stomach.

Yes, it was only the preseason and 3 games, but Hunter did NOT distinguish himself.

[AsthmaField]

I may be remembering wrong, but didn't the coaches say back in 2003 that Hunter wasn't cut out to be a slot cover guy?

It seems like I remember him getting burned from the slot a lot, even though we ended up with the #1 ranked D. It seems like they said he'd be better out as one of the starting CB's because he didn't have the quickness to cover the smaller, quicker slot recievers.

If they did say that, then you'd have to think they like Frazier much better as our 3rd CB (I know I do)... even before you bring up Hunter's knee injury.

That's not going to turn into a lot of playing time for a guy who has some athletic ability and straight line speed. However, at FS he could compete for a whole lot of playing time, and his rangy, athleticism would be a good fit.

He may not be a big hitter, but geez, tackling isn't that hard... it's something they've done since pop warner. He ought to be able to get a guy on the ground.

My only question is, does he have what it takes between his ears? From what I've read from scouts and coaches, FS is much more of a thinking man's position than corner, where you pretty much just use your ability without a lot of thinking.