The Saints vs Colts...

[links18]

...are looking pretty unstoppable right now. Will they break 60 points? Ah, whatever, its the Colts, dude.......:lmao:

[links18]

Well, that didn't take long.

[dadymat]

lol...what is the record?

[Hostile]

lol...what is the record?73 to 0 Bears over the Redskins.

[7footer]

The Colts look like they are in the running for being the worst team in the history of the NFL...I don't even think the 0-16 Lions looked this bad.

It's almost as if they are playing for the first pick in the draft...Hmmm

[The30YardSlant]

lol...what is the record?

72, Redskins did it back in the 60s

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Not impressed at all. They're playing a college team. Cowboys would do the same to Indy.

[Hostile]

72, Redskins did it back in the 60sWrong!

[Lodeus]

There is no way they are this bad just because they're without Manning.

[Hostile]

There is no way they are this bad without Manning.
I have been saying for a long time he is the best I have ever seen. This is how good he really is. Without him they are lost.

[links18]

Not impressed at all. They're playing a college team. Cowboys would do the same to Indy.

Manning was the entire team after all I guess.

[Cowboyz88]

It's just not fair that the Colts will probably go from Manning to Luck.

It's like the Spurs getting Robinson AND Duncan.

[links18]

73 to 0 Bears over the Redskins.

You know Peyton wants that record. ;)

[The30YardSlant]

Wrong!

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/1966.htm

That is the most recent 72 point game

[links18]

It's just not fair that the Colts will probably go from Manning to Luck.

It's like the Spurs getting Robinson AND Duncan.

Except you can't play two QBs at once.

[7footer]

It's just not fair that the Colts will probably go from Manning to Luck.

It's like the Spurs getting Robinson AND Duncan.


I've been saying the same thing...even the Robinson to Duncan part! Great minds think alike :D

[Hostile]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/1966.htm

That is the most recent 72 point gamehttp://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/194012080was.htm

[Risen Star]

Except you can't play two QBs at once.

Tell that to Tom Landry.

[The30YardSlant]

As a matter of fact the game hostile is talking about was actually 73-0, but it occured in 1940. The modern record is 72 by the Redskins in 1966.

[Cowboyz88]

Except you can't play two QBs at once.

The point being that they got BOTH potential franchise players, whereas some teams have never had one.

[SDCowboy85]

I'm sorry but that's just stupid. I'm all about 'if you don't like it, stop them'...to a point but this is horrible sportsmanship. Time to put the backups in.

[7footer]

Except you can't play two QBs at once.


Manning may play again, but he probably only has a couple seasons left if he does. Plus, who better for Luck to learn from than Manning? The Colts will definitely draft Luck if they end up with the first pick.

[links18]

Saints player launched himself there.

[shockandroll]

The Colts look like they are in the running for being the worst team in the history of the NFL...I don't even think the 0-16 Lions looked this bad.

It's almost as if they are playing for the first pick in the draft...Hmmm

Dungy nailed it, trade Manning and rebuild. Even if he is able to come back, he's only got a few years left.

[SDCowboy85]

Except you can't play two QBs at once.

They wouldn't. Manning is likely done. Heck, they may need to use him as trade bate to get Luck depending on how many no-win teams there are.

[Reality]

I'm sorry but that's just stupid. I'm all about 'if you don't like it, stop them'...to a point but this is horrible sportsmanship. Time to put the backups in.

I agree .. I could understand it if that was your rival or the other team's coach had spent the week insulting you or your team but to run the score up on a bad team with your starters still in the game is really pathetic.

It almost makes you wonder if Sean Payton got beat up a lot when he was a kid. I mean you don't get joy from something like that unless you have personal issues you are dealing with.

#reality

[viman96]

I was reminded today if you play a crappy team then any impressive performance is moot.

[links18]

Tell that to Tom Landry.

I'd hate to be the one who tries to tell Manning he is splitting time. ;)

[gmb85]

Sixty-two? Sixty FREAKING two????

[links18]

I agree .. I could understand it if that was your rival or the other team's coach had spent the week insulting you or your team but to run the score up on a bad team with your starters still in the game is really pathetic.

It almost makes you wonder if Sean Payton got beat up a lot when he was a kid. I mean you don't get joy from something like that unless you have personal issues you are dealing with.

#reality

Point differential is one of the tie breakers.

[Avery]

They don't have Manning, but their defense has no excuse.

I would not be shocked 100% if the coaching staff is in it to draft Luck. He's been called the next Manning and they are going nowhere. They can blame this season on Peyton's absence and then rebuild the next few days and stay cushy.

[The30YardSlant]

Not to mention that the 73-0 game was the championship game and isnt listed in the NFL record books, along with all other stats accumulated in the postseason. Postseason records are kept seperately.

[WoodysGirl]

Holy moly, I just turned the game on. 62-7? How that happen..

[The30YardSlant]

I'm sorry but that's just stupid. I'm all about 'if you don't like it, stop them'...to a point but this is horrible sportsmanship. Time to put the backups in.

To a point sure, but what if they can't stop the backups? Is the other team just supposed to kneel? To me that is more insulting than scoring.

[Hostile]

Not to mention that the 73-0 game was the championship game and isnt listed in the NFL record books, along with all other stats accumulated in the postseason. Postseason records are kept seperately.You'd save face by manning up instead of rationalizing. But you do what you want.

How'd you like John Lynch destroying your posit on close games?

[The30YardSlant]

Holy moly, I just turned the game on. 62-7? How that happen..

Indy quit about three weeks ago

[The30YardSlant]

You'd save face by manning up instead of rationalizing. But you do what you want.

How'd you like John Lynch destroying your posit on close games?

I was basing my post on the official NFL record book on NFL.com, and I don't know what you're talking about but John Lynch has been hit in the head a lot.

[Reality]

Point differential is one of the tie breakers.

Yet other teams manage to show sportsmanship to bad teams every week.

#reality

[kristie]

this game is such a joke. :lmao:

[links18]

Yet other teams manage to show sportsmanship to bad teams every week.

#reality

Those teams aren't coached by Sean Payton. He's ruthless. Remember what he did to us in '06?

[Hostile]

I was basing my post on the official NFL record book on NFL.com, and I don't know what you're talking about but John Lynch has been hit in the head a lot.Naturally.

Remember your little screed about playing too many close games is devastating to teams?

Yeah, Lynch said the Super Bowl they won in Tampa was tempered on the close games where they learned how to correct mistakes and build to win.

I told you then you were 100% wrong. Lynch schooled your theory.

[The30YardSlant]

I agree .. I could understand it if that was your rival or the other team's coach had spent the week insulting you or your team but to run the score up on a bad team with your starters still in the game is really pathetic.

It almost makes you wonder if Sean Payton got beat up a lot when he was a kid. I mean you don't get joy from something like that unless you have personal issues you are dealing with.

#reality

Nothing wrong with scoring points on a team who can't stop you even after you pull the starters.

Personally though, I think sportsmanship is for amateur athletics. Once you're getting paid to do it, you lose the right to cry about someone running up the score. Do what you get paid to do.

[links18]

Remember your little screed about playing too many close games is devastating to teams?
.

It is pretty devastating to fans. :D

[Hostile]

It is pretty devastating to fans. :DRight. But he said to teams. No it is not.

[links18]

Most point ever given up by the Colts. Can they blame that on missing Manning? :confused:

[dadymat]

I agree .. I could understand it if that was your rival or the other team's coach had spent the week insulting you or your team but to run the score up on a bad team with your starters still in the game is really pathetic.

It almost makes you wonder if Sean Payton got beat up a lot when he was a kid. I mean you don't get joy from something like that unless you have personal issues you are dealing with.

#reality

at the end of the season every year there are teams getting ripped for sitting starters cause the fans didnt pay good money to watch back ups....its a double edged sword..same here..just because Colts suck shouldnt rob Saints fand of watching their starts perform .. just my opinion

[Lodeus]

Nothing wrong with scoring points on a team who can't stop you even after you pull the starters.

Personally though, I think sportsmanship is for amateur athletics. Once you're getting paid to do it, you lose the right to cry about someone running up the score. Do what you get paid to do.

I actually agree with this. When it happens in college football I fell bad for them, right now, I could care about how they feel.

[The30YardSlant]

Naturally.

Remember your little screed about playing too many close games is devastating to teams?

Yeah, Lynch said the Super Bowl they won in Tampa was tempered on the close games where they learned how to correct mistakes and build to win.

I told you then you were 100% wrong. Lynch schooled your theory.

I know exactly what I said (apparenty you don't though as I clearly said that losing close games is bad for a team, not simply playing them), I just don't know what you're referencing with regards to Lynch. I don't pay much attention to what the announcers are babbling about between plays, primarily because most of it is about as deep as a bathtub.

Anyway, maybe you should have looked it up before putting stock in what a walking concussion says almost a decade after the fact. The 2002 Bucs only lost four games all year and two of them were by double digits (and the two single digit losses were seperated by almost three months). They won four of the six one score games they played and the majority of their games were not close.

Want a mulligan? Losing close games over and over again doesnt help a team's mindset, sorry.

[Hostile]

By the way, the most lopsided score in football History will blow your mind.

Georgia Tech 222, Cumberland 0 in 1916.



Earlier that year Cumberland beat Tech 22-0 in a baseball game and many believed they used professional athletes. That may be why Georgia Tech head coach, John Heisman (trophy named in his honor) ran it up.

[links18]

Indy quit about three weeks ago

But Dungy said the Colts haven't quit. 62-7 says otherwise.

[Romo_To_Dez]

Peyton being gone is no excuse for the Colts Defense to lay down and let NO take them to the Wood shed like that. It's like the left their pride and heart back in Indy on the Plane ride to NO.

[Hostile]

I know exactly what I said, I just don't know what you're referencing with regards to Lynch. I don't pay much attention to what the announcers are babbling about between plays, primarily because most of it is about as deep as a bathtub.

Anyway, maybe you should have looked it up before putting stock in what a walking concussion says almost a decade later. The 2002 Bucs only lost four games all year and two of them were by double digits. They won four of the six one score games they played and the majority of their games were not close.

Want a mulligan?A mulligan? Lynch with his concussions is right, and you without them were and are wrong. Why do you think I have so little respect for your knowledge of the game? It's because you spout stuff in frustration without having any idea if you are right or wrong (30 yard slant) and then have to be beaten over the head before you can accept that you you just didn't know.

I am amazed you knew Washington scored 72 in a game. Too bad it was wrong for the question asked. Too bad you had to try and spin it away. Too bad you just can't say, "my bad," and learn from it.

[Hostile]

Peyton being gone is no excuse for the Colts Defense to lay down and let NO take them to the Wood shed like that. It's like the left their pride and heart back in Indy on the Plane ride to NO."Hey, Dwight Freeney is the best Defensive player in the NFL." --Marshall Faulk

[links18]

By the way, the most lopsided score in football History will blow your mind.

Georgia Tech 222, Cumberland 0 in 1916.



Earlier that year Cumberland beat Tech 22-0 in a baseball game and many believed they used professional athletes. That may be why Georgia Tech head coach, John Heisman (trophy named in his honor) ran it up.

Hard to imagine its possible to score 222 points in a 60 minute game, but I imagine the game was much different then.

[Reality]

at the end of the season every year there are teams getting ripped for sitting starters cause the fans didnt pay good money to watch back ups....its a double edged sword..same here..just because Colts suck shouldnt rob Saints fand of watching their starts perform .. just my opinion

Comparing sitting starters for an entire game versus the pathetic tactics the Saints did tonight is laughable at best. Of course no team should sit starters for entire games and I wouldn't have a problem with a team waiting until the fourth quarter to sit starters no matter the score.

But once you hit the 4th quarter and are up by 40-50+ points, that's when good sportsmanship should come into play. Unfortunately the Saints and Payton lack that.

#reality

[Hostile]

Hard to imagine its possible to score 222 points in a 60 minute game, but I imagine the game was much different then.I once read that neither team recorded a 1st down. That would mean GT scored on every offensive play.

I do not think that is true, but is an urban myth.

[The30YardSlant]

It is pretty devastating to fans. :D

Playrs as well. Ever watched one of Romo's postgame press conferences, especially after a close heartbreaker? He looks like someone just shot his dog in front of him.

Losing games is almost always bad (very rarely it helps in the long run, like our GB loss last year) but losing close games is often devastating. It shakes the confidence of players, makes them question themselves, their teammates and their coaches, etc. You lose enough nail-biters and you begin to doubt your ability to win them at all.

[Reality]

Those teams aren't coached by Sean Payton. He's ruthless. Remember what he did to us in '06?

But see, I could understand that .. I could see running up the score against a rival, division opponent or team that wronged you or let you go. I could even see it if the coach and/or players talked a lot of smack during the week such as the Jets do.

But to run up the score with your starters playing the whole game against a team that everyone knows is bad is just pathetic. And for the record, I am a Sean Payton fan and I have been even before he joined the Cowboys.

It still doesn't change the fact that is was really a childish and pathetic thing to do.

#reality

[The30YardSlant]

But Dungy said the Colts haven't quit. 62-7 says otherwise.

Like I said, I don't really care what the talking heads say about anything. The results on the field always speak louder than their words, as evidenced by this thrashing. NFL teams don't lose by 8 touchdowns if they are trying even the least bit. If Dungy wants to say they havent quit, whatever. He's clearly wrong, just liek Lynch's statement hostile is talking about was wrong.

[links18]

Playrs as well. Ever watched one of Romo's postgame press conferences, especially after a close heartbreaker? He looks like someone just shot his dog in front of him.

Losing games is almost always bad (very rarely it helps in the long run, like our GB loss last year) but losing close games is often devastating. It shakes the confidence of players, makes them question themselves, their teammates and their coaches, etc. You lose enough nail-biters and you begin to doubt your ability to win them at all.

We've won our share of nail biters too.

[Hostile]

Playrs as well. Ever watched one of Romo's postgame press conferences, especially after a close heartbreaker? He looks like someone just shot his dog in front of him.

Losing games is almost always bad (very rarely it helps in the long run, like our GB loss last year) but losing close games is often devastating. It shakes the confidence of players, makes them question themselves, their teammates and their coaches, etc. You lose enough nail-biters and you begin to doubt your ability to win them at all.It has carried over to later games?

Nope.

You are so wrong about this stuff it is amusing.

[Hostile]

Like I said, I don't really care what the talking heads say about anything. The results on the field always speak louder than their words, as evidenced by this thrashing. NFL teams don't lose by 8 touchdowns if they are trying even the least bit. If Dungy wants to say they havent quit, whatever. He's clearly wrong, just liek Lynch's statement hostile is talking about was wrong.No sir, that would be you. As usual.

[Reality]

Ever watched one of Romo's postgame press conferences, especially after a close heartbreaker? He looks like someone just shot his dog in front of him.

I'm not in the debate between you guys but I did want to chime and say that I'd rather see Romo sad and disappointed after a loss rather than a "aw shucks, we'll get 'em next time" attitude. Then again, that's just me ..

#reality

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

The point being that they got BOTH potential franchise players, whereas some teams have never had one.

Lol what makes you think is for sure a franchise player? Just because he's been great in college. Give me a break, he still has to prove himself in the NFL.

[The30YardSlant]

A mulligan? Lynch with his concussions is right, and you without them were and are wrong. Why do you think I have so little respect for your knowledge of the game? It's because you spout stuff in frustration without having any idea if you are right or wrong (30 yard slant) and then have to be beaten over the head before you can accept that you you just didn't know.

I am amazed you knew Washington scored 72 in a game. Too bad it was wrong for the question asked. Too bad you had to try and spin it away. Too bad you just can't say, "my bad," and learn from it.

I'm not arguing this with you, the facts are facts. Lynch can say whatever he wants, the history books show his statement carries no weight. Tampa Bay didnt come together because of close losses, they dominated most of their competition and won the majority of the few close games they did play. Just because he was there and SHOULD know what went down doesnt mean he can say whatever he wants and it be true in spite of what history says.

You're wrong, Lynch is wrong, deal with that in whatever you way you best deal with that sort of thing.

[links18]

But see, I could understand that .. I could see running up the score against a rival, division opponent or team that wronged you or let you go. I could even see it if the coach and/or players talked a lot of smack during the week such as the Jets do.

But to run up the score with your starters playing the whole game against a team that everyone knows is bad is just pathetic. And for the record, I am a Sean Payton fan and I have been even before he joined the Cowboys.

It still doesn't change the fact that is was really a childish and pathetic thing to do.

#reality

Do you think we did the right thing today playing hard on that late game goal line stand, or should we have just let them score, since the game was won anyway?

[Hostile]

I'm not arguing this with you, the facts are facts. Lynch can say whatever he wants, the history books show his statement carries no weight. Tampa Bay didnt come together because of close losses, they dominated most of their competition and won the majority of the few close games they did play.

You're wrong, Lynch is wrong, deal with that in whatever you way you best deal with that sort of thing.It's pretty easy how I am going to. I am once again amused at how little you know and how much you spout.

[The30YardSlant]

It has carried over to later games?

Nope.

That's debatable at best. 2008 was pretty much a clinic in how to lose close games.

[The30YardSlant]

It's pretty easy how I am going to. I am once again amused at how little you know and how much you spout.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/tam/2002.htm

Look at it or don't, it makes no difference to me. A simple google search blows Lynch's statement out of the water.

If you want to argue the point I made, fine. Don't lie and say Lynch's opinion proved anything other than the need for a head examination on his part however.

[The30YardSlant]

I'm not in the debate between you guys but I did want to chime and say that I'd rather see Romo sad and disappointed after a loss rather than a "aw shucks, we'll get 'em next time" attitude. Then again, that's just me ..

#reality

I'd rather win every game

[Hostile]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/tam/2002.htm

Look at it or don't, it makes no difference to me. A simple google search blows Lynch's statement out of the water.

If you want to argue the point I made, fine. Don't lie and say Lynch's opinion proved anything other than the need for a head examination on his part however.:laugh2:

Every loss under 10 points, the man played, you couldn't stand in his shadow, and you want me to believe you when I know better.

Give it up. Better yet, learn the game. This is nothing but your new 30 yard slant.

[dadymat]

I'm not arguing this with you, the facts are facts. Lynch can say whatever he wants, the history books show his statement carries no weight. Tampa Bay didnt come together because of close losses, they dominated most of their competition and won the majority of the few close games they did play. Just because he was there and SHOULD know what went down doesnt mean he can say whatever he wants and it be true in spite of what history says.

You're wrong, Lynch is wrong, deal with that in whatever you way you best deal with that sort of thing.

so ignorantly wrong......the year before they won the SB they had like 12 games that was decided by a td or less

[Hostile]

so ignorantly wrong......the year before they won the SB they had like 12 games that was decided by a td or lessDude, he won't see it. He won't go look at our pre-Super Bowl teams of the 90's for close losses. He will stick with an errant statement that he cannot prove that NFL players speak the exact opposite on.

His username is a tribute to it. I commend him for it, but the truth is he doesn't know what he is talking about a lot.

[The30YardSlant]

We've won our share of nail biters too.

In the Tony Romo era, we're 15-25 in one score games. That win percentage goes down even further if you look at the more recent seasons as it removes the 2007 season. There is a definite argument to be made that this group of Cowboys has trouble winning close games. Also, the Cowboys record in games immediately following a one score loss in that time is 9-16, indicating a hangover effect.

[The30YardSlant]

Every loss under 10 points

Wrong. Two losses were under ten points. The other two were by 10 points (two scores) and both games were 13+ point games until Tampa score late if you click on the individual game links.

the man played, you couldn't stand in his shadow, and you want me to believe you when I know better.

If Troy Aikman said that he won four superbowls and I said he won three, who would be right?

[links18]

In the Tony Romo era, we're 15-25 in one score games. That win percentage goes down even further if you look at the more recent seasons as it removes the 2007 season. There is a definite argument to be made that this group of Cowboys has trouble winning close games. Also, the Cowboys record in games immediately following a one score loss in that time is 9-16, indicating a hangover effect.

So, we have a 3 to 5 win/loss ratio in close games. Interesting stat. I wonder in how many of those losses, the states favor us? TOP, yards gained, etc.

[Reality]

Do you think we did the right thing today playing hard on that late game goal line stand, or should we have just let them score, since the game was won anyway?

Beating a bad team 34-7 is not disrespectful unless you score a touchdown with 2 or less minutes ago by throwing it 40 yards down field. Trying to keep a team from scoring is not disrespectful either. Leaving your starting quarterback in the game up 40-50+ points with less than 10 minutes to go in the game is extremely disrespectful.

Showing sportsmanship by replacing your at least your quarterback and maybe a running back and/or wide receiver with backups would at least show compassion and respect to the other team. If your backups score, well no one looks down on you for that.

If Brees or one of the skill players had suffered a season ending injury in the 4th quarter, I am sure there would be more outcry. As much of a fan as I have been of Sean Payton, I am extremely disappointed in him tonight.

#reality

[links18]

If Troy Aikman said that he won four superbowls and I said he won three, who would be right?

Well, he should have won four superbowls. Thanks, Barry Switzer. ;)

[Reality]

I'd rather win every game

And I would rather win the lottery, never have a bad day, never have to deal with traffic and never have to listen to people whine after a win..

#reality

[The30YardSlant]

so ignorantly wrong......the year before they won the SB they had like 12 games that was decided by a td or less

Ah, if only Lynch had included that caveat. Excpt that the 2001 Buccaneers lost seven one score games, finished third in their division and got blown out in the wild-card round. They then replaced 23 players, including six starters, and all but one coach prior to 2002 when they bulldozed the majority of their schedule.

Seems to me like a team that wasnt that good added new coaches, new players, got a lot better because of it and won the SB. No "magical close game potion" here.

[Hostile]

If Troy Aikman said that he won four superbowls and I said he won three, who would be right?You are seriously grasping at straws. Troy wouldn't say this.

[Hostile]

So, we have a 3 to 5 win/loss ratio in close games. Interesting stat. I wonder in how many of those losses, the states favor us? TOP, yards gained, etc.All of them except penalties and turnover sin every game.

Yards
TOP
1st downs in all but 1 I think.

[The30YardSlant]

You are seriously grasping at straws. Troy wouldn't say this.

And yet you're supporting Lynch for making an equally false statement.

[Hostile]

And yet you're supporting Lynch for making an equally false statement.It isn't false. Therein lies the difference.

He is right

You were, and are, wrong.

You have NO proof whatsoever that close losses lead to a team being devastated nor will you ever provide any because you can't back it up. Meanwhile, an NFL player, in fact a legendary player in some ways, stated that close games and losses taught the Buccaneers what they needed to win that Super Bowl.

Game, set, match.

[The30YardSlant]

nm...

[The30YardSlant]

Well, he should have won four superbowls. Thanks, Barry Switzer. ;)

No argument here :laugh2:

[The30YardSlant]

It isn't false. Therein lies the difference.

You keep saying this, and yet nothing supports it other than the word of John Lynch. Meanwhile, the numbers argue against his statement.

You have NO proof whatsoever that close losses lead to a team being devastated nor will you ever provide any because you can't back it up. Meanwhile, an NFL player, in fact a legendary player in some ways, stated that close games and losses taught the Buccaneers what they needed to win that Super Bowl.

But the 2002 Buccaneers didnt have hardly any close losses, they had hardly any close games of any kind.

As for proof, like I said before, there are numerous examples of teams losing multiple close games in a row, having very bad records over extended periods in close games (like us) and routinely committing mental errors to lose multiple close games over extended periods.

I would enjoy seeing you coach a squad for a season...

"Men, I know that loss was rough, but all we have to do is go out and lose two or three more heartbreakers and THEN we'll be mentally prepared to not lose them anymore. Now, let's go get our arses kicked!"

Game, set, match.

You must have been fun to play with as a child.

[Hostile]

You keep saying this, and yet nothing supports it other than the word of John Lynch. Meanwhile, the numbers argue against his statement.Wrong again.

I would enjoy seeing you coach a squad for a season...The feeling is not mutual.

You must have been fun to play with as a child.I've never had any complaints. I am a hard task master and won't deny it because I am not ashamed of how driven I am in everything. I go hard at everything I do. That is why I have so many posts here. I love it, so I blab.

I will simply say this and then you can spew whatever drivel you want as a last word. You'd never last on a team with me because I do not tolerate anyone who gives up. I wouldn't hesitate to injure one of my own teammates if he brought your kind of constant surrender onto the field. I do not respect the French. I never will.

[The30YardSlant]

Wrong again.

Please explain. No diversions, no more talking down to me, please explain why that statement is wrong with linkable evidence that cannot be refuted simply by looking at the 2002 Buccaneers results.

The feeling is not mutual.

We both played football to the same level of competition and neither of us are anywhere near qualified to coach a football team above the high school level. My comment was in jest.

I've never had any complaints. I am a hard task master and won't deny it because I am not ashamed of how driven I am in everything. I go hard at everything I do. That is why I have so many posts here. I love it, so I blab.

Again, it was in jest. I wasnt expecting your response to further the joke, though.

I will simply say this and then you can spew whatever drivel you want as a last word. You'd never last on a team with me because I do not tolerate anyone who gives up. I wouldn't hesitate to injure one of my own teammates if he brought your kind of constant surrender onto the field. I do not respect the French. I never will.

Who said anything about giving up?

[Beast_from_East]

It isn't false. Therein lies the difference.

He is right

You were, and are, wrong.

You have NO proof whatsoever that close losses lead to a team being devastated nor will you ever provide any because you can't back it up. Meanwhile, an NFL player, in fact a legendary player in some ways, stated that close games and losses taught the Buccaneers what they needed to win that Super Bowl.

Game, set, match.

While Hostile and me disagree about Garrett, I will say Hostile is 100% correct in this situation.

A lose this week has no bearing on a if a team is going to lose next week. To say that there is a hangover effect is just not reasonable.

The #1 stat that determines who wins and loses in the NFL is turnovers. The team that turns the ball over the most loses almost all the time. Now there are exceptions, like the Pats having 4 turnovers and still winning last week. However, that loss was more because of coaching than anything else.

[Beast_from_East]

The Colts are throwing games, I am 100% covinced of this now. No way in hell are the Colts this bad by just losing Manning.


They are intentionally losing games to get Luck.

[joseephuss]

You keep saying this, and yet nothing supports it other than the word of John Lynch. Meanwhile, the numbers argue against his statement.



But the 2002 Buccaneers didnt have hardly any close losses, they had hardly any close games of any kind.

As for proof, like I said before, there are numerous examples of teams losing multiple close games in a row, having very bad records over extended periods in close games (like us) and routinely committing mental errors to lose multiple close games over extended periods.

I would enjoy seeing you coach a squad for a season...

"Men, I know that loss was rough, but all we have to do is go out and lose two or three more heartbreakers and THEN we'll be mentally prepared to not lose them anymore. Now, let's go get our arses kicked!"



You must have been fun to play with as a child.

Didn't Lynch say it was the close losses and close games of the 2000 season that helped them grow as a team and eventually contributed to their Superbowl run of 2002.

Teams should learn something from every game, win or lose. There is no such thing as a good loss, but you still can learn something from them. It is also easier to learn something from a close loss than from a blowout loss.

[Hostile]

Didn't Lynch say it was the close losses and close games of the 2000 season that helped them grow as a team and eventually contributed to their Superbowl run of 2002.

Teams should learn something from every game, win or lose. There is no such thing as a good loss, but you still can learn something from them. It is also easier to learn something from a close loss than from a blowout loss.He didn't identify a year that I remember, just said that they were in a lot of close games. He clearly said though that gut wrenching games are how they learned and he mentioned Derrick Brooks as someone who really made a leap forward.

[Hostile]

Please explain. No diversions, no more talking down to me, please explain why that statement is wrong with linkable evidence that cannot be refuted simply by looking at the 2002 Buccaneers results.Early 90's Cowboys used close games to build into a Super Bowl winner in 1992. Jimmy Johnson even mentioned it recently.

We both played football to the same level of competition and neither of us are anywhere near qualified to coach a football team above the high school level. My comment was in jest.I made it to a Division I team and coached a year on another after 2 years of coaching at the high school level.

Who said anything about giving up?I did. It is what you do. There isn't an ounce of fight in you when something isn't immediately perfect. How many times have I seen you post "It's over" after one bad Defensive sequence? I do not respect surrender.