Interesting Trade-Up scenario?

[johnnybluestar]

I know the general consensus amongst the board is not to trade up in the first round because there is no one worth the effort this year. The Mike Williams fans are the exception. I am a Mike Williams fan. I think he will be the biggest play maker in this draft. I would love to have him, but I wouldn't want to sell the farm to get him either. With that in mind, here is a trade-up scenario that I haven't seen explored anywhere yet. I don't know if it is equal or fair value, I don't have one of those Jimmy draft value sheets. Anyway, let me know what you think.

Dallas trades #11 and #20 to Tampa Bay for #5 and #36

The concept works with a few other teams atop the first and second rounds too.
#11 and #20 to Chicago for #4 and #39
#11 and #20 to Tennesse for #6 and #37
#11 and #20 to Cleveland for #3 and #34

We could target guys like Justin Tuck, DeMarcus Ware, Josh Bullocks and Darryl Blackstock with the 2 second rounders. I don't think they are much different than what will be available at #20.

I would even consider throwing a 2006 4th in any of these, but I'll keep it simple for now. I think our own "Play Maker" Michale Irvin is a better comparison to what MW could be as a pro than Keyshawn. Irvin didn't run or jump like Randy Moss, which has somehow become the standard for projecting WR greatness, but he made plays when we needed them. When was the last time we saw a Cowboy receiver score a TD on 3rd and goal from the 9 yard line? It hasn't happened very often (if at all) since we lost Irvin. We need those plays more than we need some guy running down the field real fast and then jogging back to the huddle (see Joey Galloway). All right, this turned into more about MW and Irvin than the trade up concept, which wasn't my intention. So, what do you think of the trade-up possibilities?

BTW, I've been following this board almost every day for the last 2 years. This is my first post and I'm honored to not only be a part of the best Cowboys board on-line, but the best and most obsessed Cowboys fans on the planet. It's nice to know there are other people as obsessed with the Cowboys as me.

[CowboysRangers]

I too have been here for about two years and I don't post very much either. The reading is fantastic - (most the time)!! :rolleyes: As for your scenerio, it sounds plausable, but then I'm just a fan - not an expert. I'm just excited to follow the 'boys for 12 months out of the year!!! :)

[Champsheart]

I know the general consensus amongst the board is not to trade up in the first round because there is no one worth the effort this year. The Mike Williams fans are the exception. I am a Mike Williams fan. I think he will be the biggest play maker in this draft. I would love to have him, but I wouldn't want to sell the farm to get him either. With that in mind, here is a trade-up scenario that I haven't seen explored anywhere yet. I don't know if it is equal or fair value, I don't have one of those Jimmy draft value sheets. Anyway, let me know what you think.

Dallas trades #11 and #20 to Tampa Bay for #5 and #36

The concept works with a few other teams atop the first and second rounds too.
#11 and #20 to Chicago for #4 and #39
#11 and #20 to Tennesse for #6 and #37
#11 and #20 to Cleveland for #3 and #34

We could target guys like Justin Tuck, DeMarcus Ware, Josh Bullocks and Darryl Blackstock with the 2 second rounders. I don't think they are much different than what will be available at #20.

I would even consider throwing a 2006 4th in any of these, but I'll keep it simple for now. I think our own "Play Maker" Michale Irvin is a better comparison to what MW could be as a pro than Keyshawn. Irvin didn't run or jump like Randy Moss, which has somehow become the standard for projecting WR greatness, but he made plays when we needed them. When was the last time we saw a Cowboy receiver score a TD on 3rd and goal from the 9 yard line? It hasn't happened very often (if at all) since we lost Irvin. We need those plays more than we need some guy running down the field real fast and then jogging back to the huddle (see Joey Galloway). All right, this turned into more about MW and Irvin than the trade up concept, which wasn't my intention. So, what do you think of the trade-up possibilities?

BTW, I've been following this board almost every day for the last 2 years. This is my first post and I'm honored to not only be a part of the best Cowboys board on-line, but the best and most obsessed Cowboys fans on the planet. It's nice to know there are other people as obsessed with the Cowboys as me.

I am one of those guys that is in the minority around here that would only consider a trade up for Mike Williams.

I love this kid! He is a pure football player, and when it is all said and done I think looking back on this draft he will be the PRIZE!

I watched him play a lot in his Freshman and Sophmore years, and he is the real deal. One of the best College players I have seen, not just receivers, but players.

He dominates! I could care less about his 40 time in shorts.
The fact of the matter is when he puts on the pads, he is devestating. Runs good routes, is a huge target, if the ball is anywhere around him he gets it and wins the battle, is very physical, runs DB's over, and has one of the best set of hands I have ever seen.

Not to mention he has high character, and football instincts.
Everytime I watched him, I would just say to myself I wish he was a Cowboy!

Personally I whole heartly agree he is closer to Irvin than Key. Even Key himself said Williams is better than he ever was.

I like your trade scenario, and if any of them could be worked out I would do it in a heartbeat.

I love the thought of building a foundation for Henson with Witten, Julius, and Mike Williams.

There is not a whole lot of difference between #20 and #30 something.

I am starting to not really like what may fall to #11, so if we did not trade up for Williams, I am starting to think we should trade down both #1's and stock up picks.

BTW, Good first post, and WELCOME!

[sybarite]

No. Williams was good in college. He will not be dominant in the pros. Clayton is the only sure fire prospect in the draft, and he can be had for a 20.

[Hostile]

I know the general consensus amongst the board is not to trade up in the first round because there is no one worth the effort this year. The Mike Williams fans are the exception. I am a Mike Williams fan. I think he will be the biggest play maker in this draft. I would love to have him, but I wouldn't want to sell the farm to get him either. With that in mind, here is a trade-up scenario that I haven't seen explored anywhere yet. I don't know if it is equal or fair value, I don't have one of those Jimmy draft value sheets. Anyway, let me know what you think.

Dallas trades #11 and #20 to Tampa Bay for #5 and #36

The concept works with a few other teams atop the first and second rounds too.
#11 and #20 to Chicago for #4 and #39
#11 and #20 to Tennesse for #6 and #37
#11 and #20 to Cleveland for #3 and #34

We could target guys like Justin Tuck, DeMarcus Ware, Josh Bullocks and Darryl Blackstock with the 2 second rounders. I don't think they are much different than what will be available at #20.

I would even consider throwing a 2006 4th in any of these, but I'll keep it simple for now. I think our own "Play Maker" Michale Irvin is a better comparison to what MW could be as a pro than Keyshawn. Irvin didn't run or jump like Randy Moss, which has somehow become the standard for projecting WR greatness, but he made plays when we needed them. When was the last time we saw a Cowboy receiver score a TD on 3rd and goal from the 9 yard line? It hasn't happened very often (if at all) since we lost Irvin. We need those plays more than we need some guy running down the field real fast and then jogging back to the huddle (see Joey Galloway). All right, this turned into more about MW and Irvin than the trade up concept, which wasn't my intention. So, what do you think of the trade-up possibilities?

BTW, I've been following this board almost every day for the last 2 years. This is my first post and I'm honored to not only be a part of the best Cowboys board on-line, but the best and most obsessed Cowboys fans on the planet. It's nice to know there are other people as obsessed with the Cowboys as me.'Bout damn time you joined this rodeo.

:welcome: I hope you will post more.

As one of the biggest Mike Williams shills on this forum let me say I agree with you. I would prefer we not trade up to take him. If he is there at 11, take him. But unless we are unloading garbage like Randall Williams then I am not interested in trading up. Not even to acquire him.

Hope to see you around.

[Hostile]

I am one of those guys that is in the minority around here that would only consider a trade up for Mike Williams.

I love this kid! He is a pure football player, and when it is all said and done I think looking back on this draft he will be the PRIZE!

I watched him play a lot in his Freshman and Sophmore years, and he is the real deal. One of the best College players I have seen, not just receivers, but players.

He dominates! I could care less about his 40 time in shorts.
The fact of the matter is when he puts on the pads, he is devestating. Runs good routes, is a huge target, if the ball is anywhere around him he gets it and wins the battle, is very physical, runs DB's over, and has one of the best set of hands I have ever seen.

Not to mention he has high character, and football instincts.
Everytime I watched him, I would just say to myself I wish he was a Cowboy!

Personally I whole heartly agree he is closer to Irvin than Key. Even Key himself said Williams is better than he ever was.

I like your trade scenario, and if any of them could be worked out I would do it in a heartbeat.

I love the thought of building a foundation for Henson with Witten, Julius, and Mike Williams.

There is not a whole lot of difference between #20 and #30 something.

I am starting to not really like what may fall to #11, so if we did not trade up for Williams, I am starting to think we should trade down both #1's and stock up picks.

BTW, Good first post, and WELCOME!Champsheart, that post was beautiful. I got the MW love working harder than ever.

I need some video, and a tissue. ;)

[Champsheart]

Champsheart, that post was beautiful. I got the MW love working harder than ever.

I need some video, and a tissue. ;)

LOL!

It's all about the trophies Hos! :lombardi:

I am a little teary eyed myself.

[Cajuncowboy]

Mike Williams will make every team that passes on him think about Randy Moss everyday next year. He may not be as fast as Moss, (not sure what Moss ran the 40 in) but he is a difference maker. Flat out makes plays and has done it in a pro style offense. He makes everyone around him better and I agree with everyone else in this thread who like MW. He is the ONLY guy I would trade up for.

[RoysAHitta]

let me just say i would do that tampa bay trade in a heartbeat. you dont make the trade til your 100% positive that MW is still on the board though. i feel theres top notch quality in the top 7 or 8 picks, then theres a big dropoff in talent level after that. i would personally like to leave this draft with a DJ, MW, or Braylon Edwards..

[Q_the_man]

I always thought a trade with TB would be a likely senerio

[Champsheart]

I always thought a trade with TB would be a likely senerio

Curious, WHY?

[Muhast]

sure lets do it

[AsthmaField]

I really wouldn't mind that kind of trade up. I think Dallas would come out ahead in any of those scenarios.

Problem is though, most teams don't move up from a 30 somehting pick to a 20 somenting pick until they're sure a player they like is there.

So, I could envision us trading 20 for 34 plus other picks, but I don't think that happens until pick 19 has already come off the board. obviously, by then, it's too late to trade our 11 for their 5.

So I just don't think something like that will go down.

I think I'd like it if it did though, because we'd still be able to get Ware, Blackstock, or whoever falls out of round 1 and still end up with two premium players before we pick at 42.

[ghst187]

I'd pull the trigger on that trade scenario in a heartbeat IF and only IF
1) MW is still on the board, of course
2) We sign DE Howard prior

Then, I'd trade down with 36 and look for a very late 2nd and 3rd or two thirds. Use our other 2nd rounder on a FS or LB, (thinking Blackstock, Poole, or Bullocks)

[Rockytop6]

First let me welcome you to the board as a poster. Secondly, I am one of those guys who is vehemently opposed to trading up. However, your proposal makes more sense than any trade up proposal I've seen. We don't lose any picks, we get the man we want and merely change places with our picks that would probably net us some one maybe as good.

I am not completely sold on your idea but it is very intriguing. The problem I have to digest is, if we have lost # 42 to NO we don't have any amunition to trade down for picks to recoup # 42.

Thought provoking.

[big dog cowboy]

Awesome first post johnnybluestar. Welcome to the board. Very interesting trade deal you speak about. I guess I would need to know about the Howard deal before I would be in favor of it or not. Gimme Howard and that deal with Tampa and I could be interested.

[KingTuna]

Welcome!! GREAT post...I would have no probelm if BP and JJ pull thr trigger on this type of trade for MW...JJ passed over Randy Moss and here is his chance to redeem himself!!!

[blindzebra]

Based on the draft value chart only the TEN trade works out even, we'd need 200 points...a 3rd rd pick...to make the other trades.

[Pointguard01]

I really like the idea. I think a WR with our 1st round pick would be great IMO. I'm not a fan of getting a 2nd or 3rd tier WR with another pick we have (At least not on Day 1). We we get Williams or Edwards, I'll be a happy man.