This quote about Jeff Ireland surprised me

[Randy White]

This quote surprised me because there was alot of support for Jeff when he was with the Cowboys.


“Jeff Ireland being in charge of a team is a tragedy,” Crowder said, off the air. “He’s in over his head. He doesn’t know what he’s doing. What did he do at Dallas to justify him being a GM? He knew Bill Parcells longer than the other scouts did.”


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I wonder how much truth there is in that statement ? I mean, he's done a near horrendous job down here with the Dullphins, unlike his tenure in Dallas, so did the Cowboys scouts " covered up " alot of his possible mistakes ?

[CCBoy]

This quote surprised me because there was alot of support for Jeff when he was with the Cowboys.





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I wonder how much truth there is in that statement ? I mean, he's done a near horrendous job down here with the Dullphins, unlike his tenure in Dallas, so did the Cowboys scouts " covered up " alot of his possible mistakes ?

Or maybe, just maybe, the Jerry Jones support line and team aren't as bad as many fans projected over the past ten years as well. He actually circles wagons when enemy approaches, and does so with haste and direction.

[Randy White]

Or maybe, just maybe, the Jerry Jones support line and team aren't as bad as many fans projected over the past ten years as well. He actually circles wagons when enemy approaches, and does so with haste and direction.

Oh, come on now.. stop being such a homer and posting such common sense stuff.. You're ruining alot of people's agendas.

[dogunwo]

You never know what kind of support system he has there. He might be restricted to what kind of moves he can make, like a puppet GM. Wasn't it discovered that the, real mastermind here was Tom Ciskowski anyway?

[Hoofbite]

I dunno why Crowder would criticize Jeff.

I guess because he hired Sparano?

Or maybe because the team cut Crowder and he's out of a job?

Just saw something where Sparano sold his house just recently.

[Mash]

Big Bill wasnt help either down there IMHO

Took another owners money for retirement.

Sorry ........just not a fan of Bill

[burmafrd]

Big Bill wasnt help either down there IMHO

Took another owners money for retirement.

Sorry ........just not a fan of Bill

well of course his successes mean nothing.

He got the Dolphins back to the playoffs; in the greatest one year turn around in NFL history. Now clearly some mistakes were made; and not having a good QB really makes a huge difference. Had the fins had a Decent QB, say a BLedsoe that was with BUffalo, and the one we had early here, there record would not be nearly as bad. ANd they had some bad luck with injuries as well.

Now it does seem clear that Ireland was not as good as thought; but TC has blown a few here as well.

[JPM]

Or maybe, just maybe, the Jerry Jones support line and team aren't as bad as many fans projected over the past ten years as well. He actually circles wagons when enemy approaches, and does so with haste and direction.
That's crazy talk CC !!!

[birdwells1]

well of course his successes mean nothing.

He got the Dolphins back to the playoffs; in the greatest one year turn around in NFL history. Now clearly some mistakes were made; and not having a good QB really makes a huge difference. Had the fins had a Decent QB, say a BLedsoe that was with BUffalo, and the one we had early here, there record would not be nearly as bad. ANd they had some bad luck with injuries as well.

Now it does seem clear that Ireland was not as good as thought; but TC has blown a few here as well.

Bill was great at getting the most out of mediocre players, he would take average players and coach them up into a wildcard team. His change in philosophy when he's first hired gives the team a new energy and so the team responds likewise.

In Dallas with Q Carter and in Miami the first year were his best year on those teams, after that the teams went down hill.

[Manwiththeplan]

he didn't make the final say here, where I guess in Miami he does. I don't think he's done a horrendous job. Miami is 0-6, not because they have no talent, it because they have no QB and the coach has no authority after the owner tried to replace him with Harbaugh.

He's done great with drafting defensive players except Vontae Davis. Really well with the D-Line. Trading for Brandon Marshall was a mistake, but it was a mistake several other teams would've done, especially for 2 #2s.

If they were to somehow get Andrew Luck and maybe another WR, I could see them going 8-8 or so the next year and ofcourse everyone would say how great Luck is, when actuality the team isn't devoid of talent like their record indicates

[Hostile]

Or maybe, just maybe, the Jerry Jones support line and team aren't as bad as many fans projected over the past ten years as well.Bingo.

Also, Ireland needs time to build. Miami was a mess.

[gmoney112]

He always reminded me of a smug dbag.

[Yakuza Rich]

Ireland seemed to curry favor with Parcells when he was right about Jacob Rogers and spoke up about it. Still, Ireland was big on Stanback and it goes to show that he wasn't above having 'pet cats.'

I agree, Ireland needs more time to rebuild. They were far worse than they are now when they took over. They just kinda got some things to work for them the 1st year and then everybody had these expectations despite being just removed from a 1-15 season.







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[JIGGYFLY]

Miami has missed on just about every 2nd and 3rd round pick since Ireland has been there.

There is less than 50% of the players drafted since he got there still on the roster.

He has been terrible as a GM this a quick turnaround league and the team has gotten progressively worst not better, so why would you give him more time to build?

[AsthmaField]

Trading the 12th pick for the 28th and 40th picks in the 2010 Draft (Jared Odrick and Koa Misi). “Jared could play for 32 teams, but you already had six defensive linemen,” Crowder said. “You could have had Dez Bryant."

Nice to know that other team's players are understanding how good Dez is.

[Sam I Am]

I dunno why Crowder would criticize Jeff.

I guess because he hired Sparano?

Or maybe because the team cut Crowder and he's out of a job?

Just saw something where Sparano sold his house just recently.

Crowder likes Sparano. He said as much in the article. He said he just can't do it alone. Said that Jeff won't put a useful team on the field.

[Boom]

Nice to know that other team's players are understanding how good Dez is.

I'm shocked Ireland didn't draft him, after his interview with Dez went so well.

[AsthmaField]

I'm shocked Ireland didn't draft him, after his interview with Dez went so well.


He wanted to draft Dez but it just didn't work out.

However, I think he did hire Dez's mom after the draft.

[Chocolate Lab]

It's been obvious that he doesn't know what he's doing from the way he picked up so many of our lousy scraps, signed these guys like Marshall and Reggie Bush, and drafted so horribly. The guy nailed it when he said he only got that job because he sucked up to Bill the most here.

And to think, I still remember a post or two from people saying they were going to root for the Dolphins to make Jerry look stupid for letting these people go.

[burmafrd]

Miami has missed on just about every 2nd and 3rd round pick since Ireland has been there.

There is less than 50% of the players drafted since he got there still on the roster.

He has been terrible as a GM this a quick turnaround league and the team has gotten progressively worst not better, so why would you give him more time to build?

And just how good in the last 4 years have out 2nd and 3rd rd picks been? Not a whole lot better. And Dez is the only 1st we have taken that MIGHT be as good at his position that Jake Long is at his.

[ArmyCowboy]

And just how good in the last 4 years have out 2nd and 3rd rd picks been? Not a whole lot better. And Dez is the only 1st we have taken that MIGHT be as good at his position that Jake Long is at his.

Demarco Murray, Sean Lee.....perhaps Bruce Carter.

[CCBoy]

That's crazy talk CC !!!

It must be because I haven't learned communication skills and couldn't afford a decoder ring, much less a Cliff Notes version.:)

[Hoofbite]

Crowder likes Sparano. He said as much in the article. He said he just can't do it alone. Said that Jeff won't put a useful team on the field.

How do you just put a useful team on the field.

[CCBoy]

Demarco Murray, Sean Lee.....perhaps Bruce Carter.

And don't go back and figure out that Miles Austin, Jason Hatcher, and Elam all were from the same Dallas draft class as well....and then forget Mike Jenkins and Orlando Scandrick. Maybe Brent, Lissimore, and then there are some recent linemen(s)....oh, and maybe DeMarco Murray and Tanner mean something?

[Hoofbite]

Trading the 12th pick for the 28th and 40th picks in the 2010 Draft (Jared Odrick and Koa Misi). “Jared could play for 32 teams, but you already had six defensive linemen,” Crowder said. “You could have had Dez Bryant."

They traded for Marshall before the draft.

Crowder's suggesting they use all their available resources on WR?

Or is he saying, "2 years in these guys aren't good so they should have picked someone else"?

[Randy White]

I dunno why Crowder would criticize Jeff. I guess because he hired Sparano? Or maybe because the team cut Crowder and he's out of a job? Just saw something where Sparano sold his house just recently.


Well, according to the article Crowder likes Sparano. He thinks Tony is a great motivator and players won't quit for him. There's no doubt that there's a bit of a " disgruntled employee " in there somewhere, but it's hard to argue with his points, including his own release. The Dullphins defensive players are bemoaning Crowder's release because he was their defacto " captain " on the field. He'd put people in the right spots, read offenses very well.. He was, though, a liability against TEs on passing situation and he is in the Patrick Crayton mold, ie: speaks his mind. That's something that Ireland, coming from Tuna's school of domination, doesn't tolerate very much, see: Jason Taylor. Problem for Ireland that the guy he brought in to replace Crowder, our ex Kevin Burnett, has been down horrible. Much worse than Crowder was against the pass.

I'm just surprised, though, because I will confess that I was a Jeff Ireland fan and thought he was going to be very hard to replace. Apparently my perception of his role in Dallas was skewed.

[MichaelWinicki]

I'm just surprised, though, because I will confess that I was a Jeff Ireland fan and thought he was going to be very hard to replace. Apparently my perception of his role in Dallas was skewed.

A lot of people are.

Jeff had quite the following in Cowboy land, and now it seems he's closer to "putz" than he is a talent finder.

The other thing is that the "Peter Principle" is at work and he's risen to a position he can't adequately fill.

[alancdc]

Maybe it's cause they haven't had a decent QB since Marino. Funny how smart he will all of a sudden be when they draft Luck.

[ArmyCowboy]

While the owner shares a lot of the blame in Miami for effectively killing Sporano's cred as HC, the lack of talent in the organization does fall on Ireland.

I've heard that both Cowher and Gruden are interested in that job. Other than the location, I have no idea why any experienced coach would want to be involved in that mess.

[tyke1doe]

Well, according to the article Crowder likes Sparano. He thinks Tony is a great motivator and players won't quit for him. There's no doubt that there's a bit of a " disgruntled employee " in there somewhere, but it's hard to argue with his points, including his own release. The Dullphins defensive players are bemoaning Crowder's release because he was their defacto " captain " on the field. He'd put people in the right spots, read offenses very well.. He was, though, a liability against TEs on passing situation and he is in the Patrick Crayton mold, ie: speaks his mind. That's something that Ireland, coming from Tuna's school of domination, doesn't tolerate very much, see: Jason Taylor. Problem for Ireland that the guy he brought in to replace Crowder, our ex Kevin Burnett, has been down horrible. Much worse than Crowder was against the pass.

I'm just surprised, though, because I will confess that I was a Jeff Ireland fan and thought he was going to be very hard to replace. Apparently my perception of his role in Dallas was skewed.

This is a good post.

[CCBoy]

While the owner shares a lot of the blame in Miami for effectively killing Sporano's cred as HC, the lack of talent in the organization does fall on Ireland.

I've heard that both Cowher and Gruden are interested in that job. Other than the location, I have no idea why any experienced coach would want to be involved in that mess.

That is self evident....they want to buddy up and go fishing with Jimmy Johnson.

[AbeBeta]

i dunno about that -- the Dolphins were a team that wanted to do what teams like the Jets and Dallas had done before -- go from being terrible to solid through the addition of Bill Parcells. However, unlike NY and Dallas, it wasn't BP coming in as the coach -- say what you want about him but he's a far better coach than Tony Sparano. So that's one issue.

[dmq]

He signed Reggie Bush to be an everydown back.:lmao:

[MichaelWinicki]

Maybe it's cause they haven't had a decent QB since Marino. Funny how smart he will all of a sudden be when they draft Luck.

He may end up drafting Luck, but by the time the Dolphins are legit contenders, he'll probably be long gone.

[alancdc]

He may end up drafting Luck, but by the time the Dolphins are legit contenders, he'll probably be long gone.

If he has the chance he better darn well draft Luck. He already passed on Matt Ryan who is pretty good.

[Sam I Am]

How do you just put a useful team on the field.

He is talking about the stupid personal moves Jeff made. Trading a way players that help the team and replacing better players for worse ones.

Read the article.

[Sam I Am]

He may end up drafting Luck, but by the time the Dolphins are legit contenders, he'll probably be long gone.

I release him before the draft. Maybe you let him finish the year, but you put him on a leash.

Once the year is done, so is he.

I would put drafting in someone elses hands. Not Jeff's

[JIGGYFLY]

And just how good in the last 4 years have out 2nd and 3rd rd picks been? Not a whole lot better. And Dez is the only 1st we have taken that MIGHT be as good at his position that Jake Long is at his.

Yeah picking Jake Long 1st overall is really showing great football savvy and the jury is still debating the merits of that pick as opposed to taking Ryan.

Fun fact Jake Long has given up more sacks than Doug Free since the beginning of last year. :cool:

Sean Lee alone has outperformed outperformed anybody they have picked in the 2nd round over that period and Miami passed him over.

The fact remain that Miami has had to continually pick up castoffs from the o-line of the Cowboys, that alone should show you how inept Ireland has been.

[ArmyCowboy]

Just as good assistant coaches don't always become good head coaches, good heads of scouting don't always become good GMs.

[arglebargle]

While the owner shares a lot of the blame in Miami for effectively killing Sporano's cred as HC, the lack of talent in the organization does fall on Ireland.

I've heard that both Cowher and Gruden are interested in that job. Other than the location, I have no idea why any experienced coach would want to be involved in that mess.

I've seen those rather reasonable rumors as well. A Miami gig would include (apparantly) some pretty good draft picks, as well as complete control for either of those HC candidates. If you write your contract well (so the meddlesome owner has $ incentive to keep you on long enough to fix the team) it could be a good landing spot.

A lot of the personnel moves Miami's made have looked pretty weak. I expect Sparano will be getting a new job before Ireland, despite them both being booted at the same time.

[dwmyers]

It's been obvious that he doesn't know what he's doing from the way he picked up so many of our lousy scraps

Sort of the way the Saints also do?

[ArmyCowboy]

I've seen those rather reasonable rumors as well. A Miami gig would include (apparantly) some pretty good draft picks, as well as complete control for either of those HC candidates. If you write your contract well (so the meddlesome owner has $ incentive to keep you on long enough to fix the team) it could be a good landing spot.

A lot of the personnel moves Miami's made have looked pretty weak. I expect Sparano will be getting a new job before Ireland, despite them both being booted at the same time.

Sporano will have a coaching job in 2012 if he wants one, but it won't be a head coaching job.

[AbeBeta]

Sporano will have a coaching job in 2012 if he wants one, but it won't be a head coaching job.

He certainly will.

If he's successful as a coordinator he'll be back in the running for HC later on. He's not some bumbling coach who is in over his head, he's a guy who hasn't had great personnel.

[MichaelWinicki]

He certainly will.

If he's successful as a coordinator he'll be back in the running for HC later on. He's not some bumbling coach who is in over his head, he's a guy who hasn't had great personnel.

I'm not sure what to think.

I think the jury is still out on his ability to manage people at that level. As a head coach I think it's more about picking the right position coaches and coordinators and then figuring out how to manage them properly.

Yeah he's got a bad batch of personnel, but I'm not sold on his list of assistants.

Bottom line, he has to settle back as a position coach or coordinator, figure out what went wrong in Miami, how he can avoid such a thing in the future and go on.

Coaching and managing are two different skill sets. Just because you're good at one doesn't mean you're good at the other.

[Mash]

well of course his successes mean nothing.

He got the Dolphins back to the playoffs; in the greatest one year turn around in NFL history. Now clearly some mistakes were made; and not having a good QB really makes a huge difference. Had the fins had a Decent QB, say a BLedsoe that was with BUffalo, and the one we had early here, there record would not be nearly as bad. ANd they had some bad luck with injuries as well.

Now it does seem clear that Ireland was not as good as thought; but TC has blown a few here as well.

That was due to a very easy schedule...they had that yr and sucked ever since...sorry...but Big Bill took the money and ran...They are not much better now then when Bill was signed to take over.....He brought in some people who werent qualified imho....took his paycheck and ran for the horse track. :)

[Mash]

And just how good in the last 4 years have out 2nd and 3rd rd picks been? Not a whole lot better. And Dez is the only 1st we have taken that MIGHT be as good at his position that Jake Long is at his.

Smith will be as good as Long.....Dez was drafted much lower in the first.

[burmafrd]

Smith will be as good as Long.....Dez was drafted much lower in the first.

Smith has the potential to be as good as Long; but many have potential.

[burmafrd]

That was due to a very easy schedule...they had that yr and sucked ever since...sorry...but Big Bill took the money and ran...They are not much better now then when Bill was signed to take over.....He brought in some people who werent qualified imho....took his paycheck and ran for the horse track. :)

nothing anyone says will ever convince you so I will not waste any more time.

[Mash]

Smith has the potential to be as good as Long; but many have potential.


We shall see....so far that potential is looking mighty good...

If he doesnt pan out.....we have Free :) .....and imho ...Long is a good player....but not dominate......rather have Ryan as QB...

[Mash]

nothing anyone says will ever convince you so I will not waste any more time.

Like i said....not a fan of Bill. :)

Proof in the pudding tho....this Miami team isnt better then the crap that was there when Bill took over.

They were pathetic last year....and are a bad team this year.

[AbeBeta]

I'm not sure what to think.

I think the jury is still out on his ability to manage people at that level. As a head coach I think it's more about picking the right position coaches and coordinators and then figuring out how to manage them properly.

Yeah he's got a bad batch of personnel, but I'm not sold on his list of assistants.

Sure -- but the situation hasn't helped. As a guy who comes from the NFL assistant ranks you've got an uphill climb to build a good core of assistants as you have to scrape for guys that either are out of jobs or are presently at lower levels (e.g., a LB coach gets hired as DC). On top of that, he has an ownership who is trying to hire someone else while he's still employed - few assistants are going to come into a situation like that -- they know that the move could be short lived.

[Doomsay]

Big Bill wasnt help either down there IMHO

Took another owners money for retirement.

Sorry ........just not a fan of Bill

Not a fan of Bill in general - but he turned this team around, no question about it.

[BAT]

This quote surprised me because there was alot of support for Jeff when he was with the Cowboys.





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I wonder how much truth there is in that statement ? I mean, he's done a near horrendous job down here with the Dullphins, unlike his tenure in Dallas, so did the Cowboys scouts " covered up " alot of his possible mistakes ?

:lmao2: I still recall all the ruing when he skipped town for Miami. Never ever liked the guy, he was not a Cowboy, he was a friend of Bill. JAG with a big mouth and an overinflated ego. Like a lot of Bill's boys.

Good riddance.

[mmillman]

Or maybe, just maybe, the Jerry Jones support line and team aren't as bad as many fans projected over the past ten years as well. He actually circles wagons when enemy approaches, and does so with haste and direction.


Really?

Are you saying Dallas has done a great job over the "past ten years?"

[Randy White]

That was due to a very easy schedule...they had that yr and sucked ever since...sorry...but Big Bill took the money and ran...They are not much better now then when Bill was signed to take over.....He brought in some people who werent qualified imho....took his paycheck and ran for the horse track. :)

That's the sentiment down here from just about every Dolfan.. Tuna is not too popular down here.

[JIGGYFLY]

Sort of the way the Saints also do?

Please show me this great list of players that the Saints have picked up from Cowboys after they were cut.

[Hoofbite]

Please show me this great list of players that the Saints have picked up from Cowboys after they were cut.

Off the top of my head.

Scott Shanle
Terrence Copper
Scott Fujita
Rob Petitti

[JIGGYFLY]

Off the top of my head.

Scott Shanle
Terrence Copper
Scott Fujita
Rob Petitti

Only one of those players is currently on the team and only Pettiti was signed after being cut, the rest were free agents.

Notice that once they got good they stopped signing our rejects and yet Miami is currently starting Columbo.

The 2 situations are nothing alike.

[CCBoy]

Really?

Are you saying Dallas has done a great job over the "past ten years?"

You really aren't trying for the dope on a rope for bathroom duty here, are you? I'll have to give you the sterling sterilized award for just being ignorant, but here goes the trap door for opportunity...start it out. Say anything to match the full of crap opinion you seem to be flirting with, and just don't have enough balls to open your mouth to be filled with. Your quarter, let's go....:rolleyes: or are you just a roller derby pee into the wind?

[BigStar]

Have you ever run a business that is in hole but you make it look respectable to get paid and run? That is what Mitt Romney did to take savings and pensions from millions of American as a form of profit for himself. His organization pretty much decides who should be fired for the benefit profiting the company until they go bankrupt, the laid off workers do not receive their benefits, for his great cost cutting services that eventually lead the company into bankruptcy. That is somehow a sign of a successful businessman I guess but a terrible leader. You conservatives are funny...if you are not a millionaire, than why do you vote repub? Gun rights, gays being able to marry, and GUN rights? can you evolve so the rest of us can live in a civilized country? Really, let the SMART people have it for a few years before you get a chance to mess the whole thing up again? Isn't that the role? You mess it up, we clean it up, and you get re-elected bc our voting pop isnt smart enough to remember when you when in charge?