Marlin Jackson Pro Day - Update = Pick #42?

[Nors]

No broken wrist. CB/FS kid ran better. He's a gifted football player. Will he be there at #42? I'd take him in a heartbeat!


March 19
(6:00 PM): UM CB dodges injury hit... X-rays on the wrist of Michigan CB Marlin Jackson reportedly came back negative this morning. In the end, Jackson, who slipped during one of the drills during his Pro Day yesterday,, has been diagnosed with a sprained wrist. Jackson is expected to be in a splint for 1-to-2 weeks. That's a whole lot better than the 4-6 weeks Jackson could have been sidelined had he broken the wrist. Jackson, who lowered his 40 clocking from over 4.6 seconds at the scouing combine last month to the 4.45 range at the Michigan pro day yesterday, was quoted this morning as saying that he was "feeling great." Jackson also indicated that he was "glad things did not turn out worse, especially after running so well yesterday... (I) think I showed scouts that I could run with any of the other corners... some guys said they had me as fast as Braylon (Edwards) on one of my 40-times... now I just have to wait to see what happens with the draft". While he is being evaluated at both CB and FS by some teams, it is expected that Jackson will ultimately be taken within the first two rounds of nxt month's draft by a team that is looking for a highly experienced, productive defender that has the ability to step right in and contribute, as a rookie.

[Hostile]

I'd take him at 42 if we still have the pick. Or if we trade down at #20 and add a 2nd and 3rd rounder I'd be interested in drafting him.

[Fletch]

Marlin Jackson is a CB, not a FS. Am I right? What I mean is, a lot in here are allready making him out to be a FS rather than the position he allready plays. Marlin is not dumb. There is more money at CB.

[Hostile]

Marlin Jackson is a CB, not a FS. Am I right?Uh huh. I prefer Josh Bullocks at 42 over anyone except maybe Mike Nugent. If we keep #42 that is. I don't think we'll have it.

[Muhast]

he was a FS for a season i believe. but he is a cb currently.

[Nors]

Yes,

He has played both FS and CB at Michigan.
Eugene Wilson made the transition in a week for Pats. Jackson can play both and is a 3rd corner to match up against multiple WR formations some ;)

Just like FB's are going dinosaur, FS will be a 3rd cover corner - just my prediction.

[big dog cowboy]

Uh huh. I prefer Josh Bullocks at 42 over anyone except maybe Mike Nugent. If we keep #42 that is. I don't think we'll have it.
Now your cooking with fire!

[Hostile]

Yes,

He has played both FS and CB at Michigan.
Eugene Wilson made the transition in a week for Pats. Jackson can play both and is a 3rd corner to match up against multiple WR formations some ;)

Just like FB's are going dinosaur, FS will be a 3rd cover corner - just my prediction.I just checked, guess who still hasn't signed with any team? You'll never guess. ;)

[Hostile]

Now your cooking with fire!On Bullocks or Nugent? I'm assuming Bullocks. Best FS option for us bar none and I mean any candidate.

[dargonking999]

I just checked, guess who still hasn't signed with any team? You'll never guess. ;)


ooooo i know i know, nopw i dont really know:rolleyes: can i get a hint

[Dale]

When it's all said and done Hos, do you think Bullocks might be a candidate at No. 20? Or, at the very least, wherever we end up with that pick if we trade down? Seems like his stock is climbing rapidly.

[Hostile]

ooooo i know i know, nopw i dont really know:rolleyes: can i get a hintWe were rumored to be offering a number 1 pick for him before the trade deadline last year and now that he is free haven't jumped at the chance to sign him.

[dargonking999]

We were rumored to be offering a number 1 pick for him before the trade deadline last year and now that he is free haven't jumped at the chance to sign him.

hmm is is last name LAW:D

[Hostile]

When it's all said and done Hos, do you think Bullocks might be a candidate at No. 20? Or, at the very least, wherever we end up with that pick if we trade down? Seems like his stock is climbing rapidly.He very well might be. Scouts compare him to Ed Reed. Don't know about you, but I call that high praise.

I have a feeling we are less focused on the secondary right now than we are the DL, OL, and WR, with LB perhaps thrown in. I say perhaps on that because for all the talk of BP collecting LBs he hasn't in 3 off season's here. This year there was some talent available and he seemed completely uninterested.

I don't know what we plan to do at FS. If I had a guess I'd say Pete Hunter is going to get a shot over a draft pick. It certainly doesn't look to me like we are focuse don it for FA at all. That signals to me the Draft or fix from within. I really don't believe Law will play FS, here or anywhere else. He's a CB. If we are indeed focused on FS in the draft I'd say Bullocks is that focus and #20 is a distinct possibility.

[Hostile]

hmm is is last name LAW:DYou're supposed to phrase it as a question.

"Who is Ty Law?"

[dargonking999]

You're supposed to phrase it as a question.

"Who is Ty Law?"


aww do i still win a prize:D

[Nors]

We were rumored to be offering a number 1 pick for him before the trade deadline last year and now that he is free haven't jumped at the chance to sign him.
WRONG WRONG AND WRONG.

Pats were asking for a #1. Dallas obviously never bit hence no trade.
Ya think the broken foot has something to do with Law not being signed by anyone? :p:

He will get signed! ;)

Howard trade done yet? Meetings in Hawaii, should be this week?


This was a Marlin Jackson thread - but drag it into a Lawfest - your right to do that I guess!!!!!! :iggles: Lead into Howard rants!

[Hostile]

WRONG WRONG AND WRONG.

Pats were asking for a #1. Dallas obviously never bit hence no trade.
Ya think the broken foot has something to do with Law not being signed by anyone? :p:

He will get signed! ;)

Howard trade done yet? Meetings in Hawaii, should be this week?


This was a Marlin Jackson thread - but drag it into a Lawfest - your right to do that I guess!!!!!! :iggles:The Howard trade is more likely to get done.

No Lawfest, just people having fun.

Marlin Jackson is a good player. I said I like him and I do. I doubt we draft him. For all the talk of CBs who played some FS I just don't see any of it materializing so far and doubt I will any time soon.

[Nors]

Marlin Jackson
CB, Michigan
War Room analysis
Coverage skills: Is big and physical. Can play zone or man-to-man. Has good height, bulk and strength. Has experience at cornerback and safety. Shows good upper-body strength and power. Matches up well against big receivers. Is excellent in bump-and-run coverage, and consistently pushes receivers out of routes. Grade: 8.0.

Run/pass recognition: Must improve route-recognition skills and ability to read quarterbacks' eyes. Gambles too often in man-to-man coverage. As a safety, does not look as natural or comfortable in the open field. Grade: 7.4.

Closing speed: Shows excellent balance and great closing burst. Breaks hard on the passes in front of him. Lacks elite speed. Grade: 7.7.

Ball skills: Is below average in this area. Struggles to time jumps properly. Shows below-average hands. Doesn't make enough big plays. Grade: 7.3.

Run support: Shows above-average power at the point of attack, and isn't afraid to mix it up. Grade: 8.4.

Bottom line: Jackson was suspended for one game in '03 when charged with assault for allegedly punching a fellow student :eek: . He played safety as a junior but moved back to cornerback in '04. He is a much better NFL prospect at cornerback. He lacks ideal speed and has not shown enough playmaking ability, though. With his size, strength, athletic ability and man-to-man coverage skills, he has great upside and should be off the board early in the second round at the latest.

Dan Pompei analysis
Big; considered a poor man's Antrel Rolle. Is strong, tough and physical; tackles well. Doesn't have pure man-cover skills. Has average speed and burst. Is ideal for cover-2 scheme. Excels covering slot receiver. Has experience at safety, and that could be his best position.

[MichaelWinicki]

I'd take him at 42 if we still have the pick. Or if we trade down at #20 and add a 2nd and 3rd rounder I'd be interested in drafting him.


Yep, take him in a heart-beat. It would give us some nice flexibility in the secondary.

[Nors]

The Howard trade is more likely to get done.

No Lawfest, just people having fun.

Marlin Jackson is a good player. I said I like him and I do. I doubt we draft him. For all the talk of CBs who played some FS I just don't see any of it materializing so far and doubt I will any time soon.

We have been too busy trotting out SS's at FS. Time will tell!

[Hostile]

We have been too busy trotting out SS's at FS. Time will tell!Yeah, everyone knows it makes more sense to trot out CBs as FSs than actually using guys who have played safety.

[Nors]

Yeah, everyone knows it makes more sense to trot out CBs as FSs than actually using guys who have played safety.

Marlin Jackson has played FS.
Troy Vincent did it well last year in Buffalo
Eugene Wilson did it in a week at Pats and they won SB
Aneas Williams, Everson Walls, Rod WooDson Dit it.

Can be done. Very weak Safety class and no FS of any quality in FA.

Me hopes Parcells has a plan,

[Hostile]

Marlin Jackson has played FS.
Troy Vincent did it well last year in Buffalo
Eugene Wilson did it in a week at Pats and they won SB
Aneas Williams, Everson Walls, Rod WooDson Dit it.

Can be done. Very weak Safety class and no FS of any quality in FA.

Me hopes Parcells has a plan,Me hopes his plan isn't following some of your suggestions. I just don't like some of them at all. I think we'd go backwards instead of forwards.

[Nors]

Me hopes his plan isn't following some of your suggestions. I just don't like some of them at all. I think we'd go backwards instead of forwards.

Yes trading a #2 (Jacob Rogers) for TY lAW WAS A BAD IDEA! :eek: Our RCB's killed us all season to a 6-10 season doomed in Minny. WE WOULD HAVE MADE PLAYOFFS EASILY WITH LAW OPPOSITE TNEW!!!!!

I stand by a 3-4 conversion, last years 4-3 D was pathetic. 50/50 Mix this year.

I stand by Parcells on not overpaying Howard, and trading away DAT AND #2.

I stand by a draft of Bullocks, Jackson type in draft. Getting healthy Law at FS would allow us to spend draft pick elsewhere.


Merriman
Spears
Thurman

Ty Law at FS!

[Hostile]

Yes trading a #2 (Jacob Rogers) for TY lAW WAS A BAD IDEA! :eek: Our RCB's killed us all season to a 6-10 season doomed in Minny.

I stand by a 3-4 conversion, last years 4-3 D was pathetic.

I stand by Parcells on not overpaying Howard, and trading away DAT AND #2.

I stand by a draft of Bullocks, Jackson type in draft. Getting healthy Law at FS would allow us to spend draft pick elsewhere.


Merriman
Spears
Thurman

Ty Law at FS!I'm going to focus on just that statement in bold after I address the comment about Dat and a number 2 for Howard.

Pay attention for a change. If that requires pulling your head out of the sand, do it. No one on this forum is advocating we spend a #2 and Dat for Darren Howard. NO ONE. Not a soul. That is the price that the media is reporting that New Orleans is asking. The posters here are not the media. On that request New Orleans been told "no" and so that is not even up for debate at this point. Yet you keep screaming like a hysterical victim of some crime.

Getting your panties in a wad over it is silly since it won't happen.

Of course, I know it really has nothing to do with that. You can count to 4 and know two year's worth of posts were for naught and you're gonna hear about it.




Now on to the statement in bold that I want to really address because it is a calling card of yours that is one of your silliest.

"Last year's 4-3 D was pathetic." (I added the possessive for you. :D )

Yes sir, I agree.

That said, are you maintaining that a pathetic defense cannot be fixed without switching schemes? We can't sign Free Agents to fix things? We can't draft players to fix things? To fix it it must be completely abandoned and scrapped? :rolleyes:

Because if that is what you are saying then you're simply so far off base that you'll never make it back. They could roll the ball along the ground and still pick you off.

For 80+ years of NFL football, teams have been finding ways to fix their defensive woes, and radical changes to a scheme has rarely been a successful solution. Sometimes it works. More often than not it fails miserably. The main reason for those failures is failure to secure proper personnel.

You can "stand by a 3-4 conversion" all you want. Until we have the proper personnel, it will never help us. It will in fact hurt us in the long run. Once we have the personnel I'll be glad to entertain the thoughts of a conversion. It sure doesn't look like we are headed that way if you have your eyes open at all though.

As evidence I give you the following.

1. Retention of Zimmer as DC. Hmm.

2. No LBs acquired in Free Agency. None really even considered at all. Hmm. Even some who had years of 3-4 experience. Double Hmm.

3. Plenty of evidence that we are focused on 2 additions to the starting DL not just a NT. Hmm.

4. When our own Hollywood Henderson saw Parcells in Indianapolis (and failed to tell him how badd Zimmy is) he asked him about the 3-4 and Parcells' answer was a smirk. In other words, he knows he's got all of the 3-4 shills chasing their tails and that's what he wanted. You and the media have been played.


There is not a shred of even circumstantial evidence that Parcells is making the switch to 3-4, just some media speculation that appears to have been just as off base and just as easy to pick off.

[Nors]

I'm going to focus on just that statement in bold after I address the comment about Dat and a number 2 for Howard.

Pay attention for a change. If that requires pulling your head out of the sand, do it. No one on this forum is advocating we spend a #2 and Dat for Darren Howard. NO ONE. Not a soul. That is the price that the media is reporting that New Orleans is asking. The posters here are not the media. On that request New Orleans been told "no" and so that is not even up for debate at this point. Yet you keep screaming like a hysterical victim of some crime.

Getting your panties in a wad over it is silly since it won't happen.

Of course, I know it really has nothing to do with that. You can count to 4 and know two year's worth of posts were for naught and you're gonna hear about it.




Now on to the statement in bold that I want to really address because it is a calling card of yours that is one of your silliest.

"Last year's 4-3 D was pathetic." (I added the possessive for you. :D )

Yes sir, I agree.

That said, are you maintaining that a pathetic defense cannot be fixed without switching schemes? We can't sign Free Agents to fix things? We can't draft players to fix things? To fix it it must be completely abandoned and scrapped? :rolleyes:

Because if that is what you are saying then you're simply so far off base that you'll never make it back. They could roll the ball along the ground and still pick you off.

For 80+ years of NFL football, teams have been finding ways to fix their defensive woes, and radical changes to a scheme has rarely been a successful solution. Sometimes it works. More often than not it fails miserably. The main reason for those failures is failure to secure proper personnel.

You can "stand by a 3-4 conversion" all you want. Until we have the proper personnel, it will never help us. It will in fact hurt us in the long run. Once we have the personnel I'll be glad to entertain the thoughts of a conversion. It sure doesn't look like we are headed that way if you have your eyes open at all though.

As evidence I give you the following.

1. Retention of Zimmer as DC. Hmm.

2. No LBs acquired in Free Agency. None really even considered at all. Hmm. Even some who had years of 3-4 experience. Double Hmm.

3. Plenty of evidence that we are focused on 2 additions to the starting DL not just a NT. Hmm.

4. When our own Hollywood Henderson saw Parcells in Indianapolis (and failed to tell him how badd Zimmy is) he asked him about the 3-4 and Parcells' answer was a smirk. In other words, he knows he's got all of the 3-4 shills chasing their tails and that's what he wanted. You and the media have been played.


There is not a shred of even circumstantial evidence that Parcells is making the switch to 3-4, just some media speculation that appears to have been just as off base and just as easy to pick off.


3-4 decision not made. They signed a NT that can play 3-4, 4-3.

Bell, Hartwell, ARE ONLY 3-4 ILB'S on market - Asking for and getting $10M SB. Funny but Pats and Steelers, Ravens passed on them as well ;)

This is a draft where we can get a quality ILB at #42.

Merriman
Spears
Thurman

3-4 in a heartbeat, and we still have Glover, Elliss to go 4-3 and mix it up!

[Sandman52]

How can I post the video of Marlin's tackling ability?

[Hostile]

3-4 decision not made. They signed a NT that can play 3-4, 4-3.

Bell, Hartwell, ARE ONLY 3-4 ILB'S on market - Asking for and getting $10M SB. Funny but Pats and Steelers, Ravens passed on them as well ;)

This is a draft where we can get a quality ILB at #42.

Merriman
Spears
Thurman

3-4 in a heartbeat, and we still have Glover, Elliss to go 4-3 and mix it up!If you really believe that you're simply blinded by love for that system with no hope of fixing the myopia.

You honestly believe they haven't figured out what they are doing, what direction they are going? If you believe that tell me again why Parcells is a good coach because in my book that would make him a complete dolt. A month into Free Agency and a month away from the draft and no clue?

Sorry, I'm not buying that nonsense. No sale. Try again.

We shied away from those LBs over their demands for $10 million signing bonuses? That is so ludicrous it is laughable. You want me to believe we're in an all fired hurry to switch to this scheme that Parcells loves but would spend our cap room not acquiring the LBs to run it and not trading the MLB who may be out of place in it? Is that what you're selling? Nope. No sale again.

Jerry shelled out $29 million in one day on signing bonuses that were in the same ballpark and you want me to believe that was the hang up. Of course that doesn't explain why we didn't even have them in for a looksie to see if their demands would come down did we?

Read the tea leaves. You're mantra is flushed.

BTW, I never said I wouldn't take those draft picks. Good players all.

[T.OwnsU]

What about Brodney Pool?

[Natedawg44]

Vincent signed as a CB and he brushed aside any team that told him otherwise last year. I think Law will do the same. Vincent for the good of the team made the switch though. That is the only way I think you will get Law to play FS, sign him as a CB then ask him to make the switch after camp and see what happens. The writing is on the wall here with TNew and Henry which is why he I think he will sign elsewhere. As far as for rookies they play where they are told to play. If Parcells drafts Marlin Jackson and tells him he's playing Safety thats what he does because he is a rookie, whether he likes it or not.

[dallasfaniac]

Bell, Hartwell, ARE ONLY 3-4 ILB'S on market - Asking for and getting $10M SB. Funny but Pats and Steelers, Ravens passed on them as well ;)

It has been stated that the Ravens may move BACK to the 4-3 and you gleefully toutted that Belichick was brilliantly moving to the 4-3 so why would they take those guys?

This is a copycat league. The Patriots and Ravens have had success running the 3-4, but with more teams switching, it only makes more sense to move back to the 4-3 because more of those types of players will be available. It is not necessarily the scheme but the players that can play in those schemes and are abundant in the draft.

[Put Henson In]

I hope we draft Marlin. I've always liked him and think he can be a top corner at a cheap price. Besides a 2nd round pick who plays both fs and cb will do whatever the hell the coach tells him to do.

[ghst187]

I like Bullocks a lot at FS but I don't believe he's in the class of DB's as Marlin. I consider Bullocks a "second tier" guy.
Marlin played CB as a sophomore and did pretty well then he had some minor off field incident and then the team needed a FS pretty badly and Marlin moved to FS for his Jr year. He did decently there and then moved back to CB his Sr year where he was phenomenal IMO. IMO, he doesn't have all the natural tools (although he does have good size) as Jones or Rogers, he does play with great technique, as typical DBs from U of Mich leave with. I like the idea of taking Jackson in the second if he's there and have him play FS. He'd also have the ability to step in as backup CB in case of another Hunter-type injury.