My Mock Draft Rds 1 thru. 4

[Charles]

Feel free to criticize and ridicule.
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11th pick – Marcus Spears.
Last years red herring was Steven Jackson. This year its Shawne Merriman. Great athlete, great work-out warrior but is he really the best football player. Eramus James and Spears are much better football players. Marcus Spears is about 20 lbs heavier(300 plus lbs), just as agile and was recruited as a top TE coming out of college. Marcus Spears has a nose for the football (folks he was a top TE in high school), makes big plays and every time there’s a lose ball Spears seems to scoring a defensive TD. Parcells gets this years Kevin Williams. A big, agile and high character player. He is also versatile (played offense and defense in college). Parcells has visions of the next Richard Seymour.
I think Jerry Jones (after watching Kevin Williams and Dwayne Robertson) will do anything to make sure Parcells gets his guy this time…… Marcus Spears, thus his reluctance to part with Draft picks this year.

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20th or higher – Heath Miller Possibly use the 2nd Rd. 42nd Overall Pick to move up
If Parcells is ever given a dose of sodium pentothal and asked which position he likes the most I believe it will be TE even though he played LB in College and is a defensive coach. The list is long Bravaro, Cross , Zeke, Mrosko, Ben Coates, Keith Byars (HB/TE), Kyle Brady, Fred Baxter etc. Not all great players, but guys who were exceptional TE/HB who were above average blockers and cause match-up problems in the passing game.
Witten, Campbell and Robinson are a solid group. The addition of Miller could possibly make it dominant. A 4th TE will cut ino the WR numbers, but Parcells has traditionally only used 4 WR. Usually the 4th and 5th WR are also exceptional Special team contributors. The addition of Miller could also strengthen the running game. Parcells loves using the 2 or 3 TE set throughout his coaching career. Miller could serve as a 3rd TE/ 5th WR early ion his career. The Al Groh connection makes this a possible pick for the Cowboys. Don’t be surprised if the Cowboys move up to get Heath Miller.

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42nd or lower 2nd Rd (swap after trading up to get Heath Miller) – Maurice Clarett

In my opinion he was the best player on the field when the Buckeyes won the National title against a Hurricane team that produced a million defensive starters in the NFL. He chased down Sean freakin Taylor and stripped the ball on a key Buckeye Red zone INT. I don’t think the Cowboys are in the business of drafting priests. Character issues got us Ellis instead of Hall of fame bound Moss. Ironically I don’t see any fans whining about character when guys like Leonardo Carson can beat their significant other etc. It comes to opinion.
Clarett would be a great back-up RB if he lives up to his potential. He could even be better than Julius Jones as a inside the tackle runner. Clarett is a punishing RB after the run. He takes on defenders and finishes runs with attitude. I think he’ll be a Corey Dillon type RB. All the “character” fanatics didn’t want to touch Corey Dillon. Remember just my opinion.

3rd pick – Drew Henson.

Already ahead of schedule. A 2005 draft pick with a year and 2 offseasons of experience in Parcells system under his belt. Hopefully he develops. He looked even better than Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers during his underwear Olympics/ pass against the wind work-out last off-season..

4th RD pick – Alvin Pearman.

A jack of all trades. RB/WR/Special teams ace. Aka “Troy Brown 2005”. Another AL Groh connection. Parcells is a creature of habit always goes back to the same drinking well. Richie Andersons replacement.

[BrAinPaiNt]

If we take Heath Miller in the first round...I may have to ban you....just joking, or am I.

For the record NO HEATH MILLER IN THE FIRST ROUND.

Carry on. :cool:

[Charles]

If we take Heath Miller in the first round...I may have to ban you....just joking, or am I.

For the record NO HEATH MILLER IN THE FIRST ROUND.

Carry on. :cool:
No you wouldn't because I won't gloat. It would just be an educated guess. ;)

[BrAinPaiNt]

No you wouldn't because I won't gloat. It would just be an educated guess. ;)


I would not be shocked if we took a TE with what Bill has said in the past....however I would be shocked if we did so in the first round.

I think we may look at taking one on the second day but probably more of the mold of a blocking TE that could be in the mold of Campbell.

[Charles]

I would not be shocked if we took a TE with what Bill has said in the past....however I would be shocked if we did so in the first round.

I think we may look at taking one on the second day but probably more of the mold of a blocking TE that could be in the mold of Campbell.
Most fans don't think the Cowboys will draft a TE because we have Witten and Campbell. Campbell isn't getting any younger. He is playing a very physical position and older players tend to get injured. If Miller is the best player available I doubt Parcells will pass because of Campbells presence.

I think he'd rather take the best overall TE in the draft than say the 4th or 5th WRs like Troy Williamson or Roddy White just because they need youth and speed. Miller will help out in more roles than either WR and has the potential to be a match-up nightmare like Witten who played HB/TE/WR and special teams.

[Derinyar]

Most fans don't think the Cowboys will draft a TE because we have Witten and Campbell. Campbell isn't getting any younger. He is playing a very physical position and older players tend to get injured. If Miller is the best player available I doubt Parcells will pass because of Campbells presence.

I think he'd rather take the best overall TE in the draft than say the 4th or 5th WRs like Troy Williamson or Roddy White just because they need youth and speed. Miller will help out in more roles than either WR and has the potential to be a match-up nightmare like Witten who played HB/TE/WR and special teams.
We have too many holes to draft a player whos likely to be a back up in the 1st. The 5th WR is a better fit for us than the 1st TE. But more than that, we will likely take at least one LB in the first round.

[Qwickdraw]

Maurice Clarrett?
42nd pick?
Are you kidding me?
Dude, what are you smoking?
Can I have some?

You completely lost me after Spears.

Clarrett would be around long after that pick so why on Earth would we waste it on him?
Furthermore, I wouldn't give up an old pair of socks for that clown.

Finally, one of the ONLY spots on this team that has a clear cut ProBowl starter and high quality backup already is TE. Miller in the first round would be almost as big of waste as say... oh, I don't know... drafting Maurice Clarrett in the 2nd round.


-you said, "feel free to ridicule and criticise."

[playit12]

Most fans don't think the Cowboys will draft a TE because we have Witten and Campbell. Campbell isn't getting any younger. He is playing a very physical position and older players tend to get injured. If Miller is the best player available I doubt Parcells will pass because of Campbells presence.

I think he'd rather take the best overall TE in the draft than say the 4th or 5th WRs like Troy Williamson or Roddy White just because they need youth and speed. Miller will help out in more roles than either WR and has the potential to be a match-up nightmare like Witten who played HB/TE/WR and special teams.

Miller isn't a blocking force like Campbell. He is more of a pass catching vertical threat, so he'd be backing up Witten. I just don't see drafting into your strengths in the first round. Besides i think #20 is a little high for Miller. I'd rather see us grab a DT, LB, or RT. We can get good value at that spot in what is a much bigger need area. Then FS or WR in the second.

[playit12]

Maurice Clarrett?
42nd pick?
Are you kidding me?
Dude, what are you smoking?
Can I have some?

You completely lost me after Spears.

Clarrett would be around long after that pick so why on Earth would we waste it on him?
Furthermore, I wouldn't give up an old pair of socks for that clown.

Finally, one of the ONLY spots on this team that has a clear cut ProBowl starter and high quality backup already is TE. Miller in the first round would be almost as big of waste as say... oh, I don't know... drafting Maurice Clarrett in the 2nd round.

I'll just go ahead and say that I agree with everything he just said.

I swear every new Mock that goes up is more ridiculous than the next.

[Charles]

We have too many holes to draft a player whos likely to be a back up in the 1st. The 5th WR is a better fit for us than the 1st TE. But more than that, we will likely take at least one LB in the first round.
What gurrantees do you have that any other player selected will be a starter. None what so ever. Was Ben Watson considered a back-up to Danile Graham. Did the Eagles NOT select any DBs because they would be back-ups in their 1st season with Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor starting.
Did the Rams pass on Steven Jackson because he wouldn't be starting his 1st year behind Faulk. Vince Woolfork was drafted but didn't start because of Keith Traylor. The Panthers took Deshaun Foster in the 2nd RD after giving Stephen Davis a fat contract. The Saints drafted Will Smith even though Darren Howard has atleast 4 to 5 seasons left.

I could go on and on. You always draft the best player regardless of need (Qb being the exception if you have a stud). Good players always find a way to get on the field and contribute.

[Alexander]

What gurrantees do you have that any other player selected will be a starter. None what so ever. Was Ben Watson considered a back-up to Danile Graham. Did the Eagles NOT select any DBs because they would be back-ups in their 1st season with Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor starting.
Did the Rams pass on Steven Jackson because he wouldn't be starting his 1st year behind Faulk. Vince Woolfork was drafted but didn't start because of Keith Traylor. The Panthers took Deshaun Foster in the 2nd RD after giving Stephen Davis a fat contract. The Saints drafted Will Smith even though Darren Howard has atleast 4 to 5 seasons left.

I could go on and on. You always draft the best player regardless of need (Qb being the exception if you have a stud). Good players always find a way to get on the field and contribute.

I know everyone thinks you are crazy for the Heath Miller talk. One thing to hang you hat on is that he is dropping like a rock because he cannot work out since he has a sports hernia.

He might even make it to the late first round or even early second because of it.

[Charles]

Maurice Clarrett?
42nd pick?
Are you kidding me?
Dude, what are you smoking?
Can I have some?

You completely lost me after Spears.

Clarrett would be around long after that pick so why on Earth would we waste it on him?
Furthermore, I wouldn't give up an old pair of socks for that clown.
Thats your opinion. I don't think Clarett at the 42nd is a wasted pick. I think he has more upside than every RB in this draft IMHO.

What makes you think any other player is a lock. Gurode was a lock, Julius Jones looked like a bust in the making early in 2004 season. SO called "experts" and fans thought passing on Steven Jackson was bad move.

Quite frankly you are about a clueless as everyone else. I just have the balls to lay my opinion on line ;). Either way nobody really knows.

Finally, one of the ONLY spots on this team that has a clear cut ProBowl starter and high quality backup already is TE. Miller in the first round would be almost as big of waste as say... oh, I don't know... drafting Maurice Clarrett in the 2nd round.


-you said, "feel free to ridicule and criticise."
The Eagles also had 3 Pro Bowl caliber players in the secondary in,2000 2001 and 2002 but it didn't stop the Eagles from drafting 3 DBs.

It goes both ways bro. I could find just as many teams that draft the best player available regardless of who is on the roster. I bet you most of those teams are the cream of the crop. Yes they don't have as many holes to fill but why should we settle for a lesser player to fill a hole. I'd rather have a secondary or unit full of Pro Bowl caliber players than have a selected player for need who turns out to be average see tghe Cowboys 1995-2002 draft philosophy.

[Avery]

Heath Miller is a good player and even though having two TE's to run Parcells dink and dunk offense would be nice, there's a lot of fish to fry on this team and Witten and Campbell are adequate.

Clarett won't go at #42 or in the first day my opinion. No football for two years, poor attitude at the combine, won't happen. Lots of players have talent in the league. I'll take one that doesn't have the baggage.

[btcutter]

Mauice in the 2nd???????? :eek:

Most scout won't even rate him for the draft because of the antics he pulled at the combine. I really don't care if you got all the talent in the world if you head isn't screwed on right, you are finished in football and life (please look at Ricky Williams). You think anyone is going to give up a 2nd rounder for Ricky now????

I really hope our draft doesn't look like this. It's sad :banghead:

[Charles]

Mauice in the 2nd???????? :eek:

Most scout won't even rate him for the draft because of the antics he pulled at the combine. I really don't care if you got all the talent in the world if you head isn't screwed on right, you are finished in football and life (please look at Ricky Williams). You think anyone is going to give up a 2nd rounder for Ricky now????

I really hope our draft doesn't look like this. It's sad :banghead:
I won't be surprised if most scouts don't rate Clarett.

Its naive to think they don'tm have an axe to grind. Clarett suing the NFL to allow players into the NFL doesn't bond well with the scouts who are making a living off the NFL minor league ooops I mean Collegiate football.

What the scouts can't ignore is Claretts productivity and playmaking ability on the field at Ohio State. Drew Henson gets more run/praise based on limited playing time in college even though his impact on the Wolverines doesn't even come close to Claretts presence for the Buckeyes. We all know Drew Henson was getting better at playing QB learning how to hit a curve ball and field ground balls. His upside like Clarett's should dictate where he goes, not his combine or attitude.

[btcutter]

I won't be surprised if most scouts don't rate Clarett.

Its naive to think they don'tm have an axe to grind. Clarett suing the NFL to allow players into the NFL doesn't bond well with the scouts who are making a living off the NFL minor league ooops I mean Collegiate football.

What the scouts can't ignore is Claretts productivity and playmaking ability on the field at Ohio State. Drew Henson gets more run/praise based on limited playing time in college even though his impact on the Wolverines doesn't even come close to Claretts presence for the Buckeyes. We all know Drew Henson was getting better at playing QB learning how to hit a curve ball and field ground balls. His upside like Clarett's should dictate where he goes, not his combine or attitude.

I do not agree that his upside should dictate where he is drafted. It doesn't matter if he's got talent if he can't stay on the field because of his attitude or off field issues. Let me ask you again, would you give up 42nd pick for Ricky William? Probably not, at least I hope not. I don't think you find any knowledgable person willing to give that up for him now. You don't chance that with your 2nd pick when the team has so many needs. Swinging for the fenses with you picks is what got the Cowboys in trouble in the 80s when they drafted players like Rod Hill in the 1st when everyone else rated him a 3rd or 4th round talent.

Your first three rounds really should be as close to sure thing as possible so you can built your team. Sure it's unavoidable to have busts but let's leave the speculations for the 2nd day.

Henson isn't a headcase and he's willing to work. Clarett quits at first signs of adversity. BTW, if you haven't noticed..RB's are on sale. You can pick up Edge or Alexander maybe for 2nd rounder. QB position is an entirely different animal. Franchises struggle for a decade to find one. "you can't dial 1800-Quarterback". Why do you think every yr QB gets top billing in the draft although everyone knows there are higher rated players.

[Arcanius64]

If they werent willing to keep Antonio Bryant (who btw has alot of talent), what makes you think they gonna go after another head case (or controversial figure) in Clarett?

[Charles]

I do not agree that his upside should dictate where he is drafted. It doesn't matter if he's got talent if he can't stay on the field because of his attitude or off field issues. Let me ask you again, would you give up 42nd pick for Ricky William? Probably not, at least I hope not. I don't think you find any knowledgable person willing to give that up for him now. You don't chance that with your 2nd pick when the team has so many needs.
Exactly what attitude problem kept Clarett off the field at Ohio? Clarett was the scape goat at Ohio. The only crime he commited was being dumb enough to overvalue items stolen from his car. A car that was provided by a known local car dealer who has been providing luxury cars and SUVs for Buckeyes for many years. It lead to an investigation that opened up can of worms at Ohio State. So far the Athletic president has been forced out, the coach is lookin gover his shoulder and the Buckeyes program is under investigation for false grades and gifts to players. Typical in most successful athletic programs.

I'd give up our 42nd if Ricky Williams wants to play football again. I'd rather have Julius Jones and Ricky than Julius and Bickerstaff or Reshard Lee (training camp heroes). Ricky has proven he can play.Any knowledgable person knows that Ricky instantly becomes the best RB on our roster if he becomes a Cowboy. That what matters to me. I could care less about "Character guys" seem to dissapear when it matters the most. You can take character, I'll take Randy Moss mooning the fans after scoring the TD in play-off game.

Its somewhat hypocritical of a Cowboy fan to preach character when our 90's roster spent as much time on the police/court depth chart. :confused:

Swinging for the fenses with you picks is what got the Cowboys in trouble in the 80s when they drafted players like Rod Hill in the 1st when everyone else rated him a 3rd or 4th round talent

Yep and we all know the Cowboys in the 80s swung themselves right out of the play-offs. :rolleyes:

Tom Landry really stunk it up in the 80s sarcasm/off




Your first three rounds really should be as close to sure thing as possible so you can built your team. Sure it's unavoidable to have busts but let's leave the speculations for the 2nd day.
I bet the scouts thought Leaf, Smith, Enis, Couch were sure picks. They also thought Tom Brady and Terell Owens weren't 1st day picks.

I think your point is dubious. History has shown that there aren't any sure picks. Players have to prove they have what it takes. Just my opinion that Clarett is as good as Ronnie Brown. I am not an expert.

Henson isn't a headcase and he's willing to work. Clarett quits at first signs of adversity. BTW, if you haven't noticed..RB's are on sale. You can pick up Edge or Alexander maybe for 2nd rounder. QB position is an entirely different animal. Franchises struggle for a decade to find one. "you can't dial 1800-Quarterback". Why do you think every yr QB gets top billing in the draft although everyone knows there are higher rated players.If Clarett wasn't willing to work why did he show up at the combine. He got frustrated and left. I know it was a very poor decision, but he felt he couldn't help himself in the draft by continuing. He has organized a personal work-out in Ohio. Is that a sign of a player quiting??? Did he quit when Sean Taylor interecepted Krentzel pass in the end zone during the championship game or did he out run WRs and opposing DBs to strip Taylor of the ball. Isn't that the "No quit" attitude we want. I want a guy who can play football, not a guy who can make small talk with kids at training camp.

[btcutter]

Exactly what attitude problem kept Clarett off the field at Ohio? Clarett was the scape goat at Ohio. The only crime he commited was being dumb enough to overvalue items stolen from his car. A car that was provided by a known local car dealer who has been providing luxury cars and SUVs for Buckeyes for many years. It lead to an investigation that opened up can of worms at Ohio State. So far the Athletic president has been forced out, the coach is lookin gover his shoulder and the Buckeyes program is under investigation for false grades and gifts to players. Typical in most successful athletic programs.

I'd give up our 42nd if Ricky Williams wants to play football again. I'd rather have Julius Jones and Ricky than Julius and Bickerstaff or Reshard Lee (training camp heroes). Ricky has proven he can play.Any knowledgable person knows that Ricky instantly becomes the best RB on our roster if he becomes a Cowboy. That what matters to me. I could care less about "Character guys" seem to dissapear when it matters the most. You can take character, I'll take Randy Moss mooning the fans after scoring the TD in play-off game.

Its somewhat hypocritical of a Cowboy fan to preach character when our 90's roster spent as much time on the police/court depth chart. :confused:


Yep and we all know the Cowboys in the 80s swung themselves right out of the play-offs. :rolleyes:

Tom Landry really stunk it up in the 80s sarcasm/off




I bet the scouts thought Leaf, Smith, Enis, Couch were sure picks. They also thought Tom Brady and Terell Owens weren't 1st day picks.

I think your point is dubious. History has shown that there aren't any sure picks. Players have to prove they have what it takes. Just my opinion that Clarett is as good as Ronnie Brown. I am not an expert.
If Clarett wasn't willing to work why did he show up at the combine. He got frustrated and left. I know it was a very poor decision, but he felt he couldn't help himself in the draft by continuing. He has organized a personal work-out in Ohio. Is that a sign of a player quiting??? Did he quit when Sean Taylor interecepted Krentzel pass in the end zone during the championship game or did he out run WRs and opposing DBs to strip Taylor of the ball. Isn't that the "No quit" attitude we want. I want a guy who can play football, not a guy who can make small talk with kids at training camp.

Ricky Williams is 30 lb under his playing wt and has not indicated he wants to play football. He's teamates won't take him back! How do yo go to war with someone that you can't trust? I doubt he starts in Big D. Sure in his prime he'll beat out JJ but certainly not now.

I like to see how many on this board agrees with trading our 2nd for Ricky William or 2nd for Clarett (he probably can be had for a 7th)

Clarett as good as Brown? You can't be serious!

I am just glad you are not running our draft.

[Charles]

Ricky Williams is 30 lb under his playing wt and has not indicated he wants to play football.
Atleast he's not fat and out of shape.

I never stated he wants to play football again, you brought it up, but if he does want to play again, I'd trade our 42nd pick. He's a proven stud in the NFL. Nothing in the whole wide world can gurrantee the same production from a collegiate player.

He's teamates won't take him back! How do yo go to war with someone that you can't trust?
How do you know they won't take him back. I bet his teammates would rather block for Ricky than Sammy Morris, Travis Mimor or which character :D guy you can find on the RB depth chart. The only thing Ricky would have to do is show up at camp and all will be forgiven.

Why has Nick Saban been trying to contact Ricky since he got the Dolphins gig. Because Ricky has VALUE in the NFL.

I doubt he starts in Big D. Sure in his prime he'll beat out JJ but certainly not now.
My money would be on Ricky to start. He'd be going into his 6th year and he's only 28. Ricky has done and proven things in the NFL that Julius Jones hasn't even dreamed off.

I like to see how many on this board agrees with trading our 2nd for Ricky William or 2nd for Clarett (he probably can be had for a 7th)

Clarett as good as Brown? You can't be serious!

I am just glad you are not running our draft.
I'd also like to see how many thought Gurode was a safe pick.

Yes, I believe Clarett is as good as Ronnie Brown. I am serious.

[Rack Bauer]

If we draft Heath Miller in the first and/or MAURICE CLARETT in the second I will f'ing hurt many people.


Clarett probably won't even get drafted, and you have us taking him in the second? You HAVE to be on something. Seriously.

[BrAinPaiNt]

If we draft Heath Miller in the first and/or MAURICE CLARETT in the second I will f'ing hurt many people.


Clarett probably won't even get drafted, and you have us taking him in the second? You HAVE to be on something. Seriously.


Oh I think a team drafts him on the second day....just not in the second round.

[Rack Bauer]

As long as it isn't the Cowboys.

[Derinyar]

What gurrantees do you have that any other player selected will be a starter. None what so ever. Was Ben Watson considered a back-up to Danile Graham. Did the Eagles NOT select any DBs because they would be back-ups in their 1st season with Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor starting.
Did the Rams pass on Steven Jackson because he wouldn't be starting his 1st year behind Faulk. Vince Woolfork was drafted but didn't start because of Keith Traylor. The Panthers took Deshaun Foster in the 2nd RD after giving Stephen Davis a fat contract. The Saints drafted Will Smith even though Darren Howard has atleast 4 to 5 seasons left.

I could go on and on. You always draft the best player regardless of need (Qb being the exception if you have a stud). Good players always find a way to get on the field and contribute.
Other than possibly WR, what major holes did the Dvision Champion Eagles have coming out of those seasons? Thats the difference, your talking about talented teams without glaring holes, and trying to apply that to our squad. Its a fallacious argument. Faulk hasn't played a full season in several years now, and is on the down side of his career. DE is a primary position, that you can almost never go wrong drafting someone who has stud possibilty as they get huge dollars when they hit the open market. You pick things that support your postion in a vacuum, but don't really apply fully to the situation.

TE is a secondary postion. Most teams function quite well without a good TE. To add a second one on a team that already has one, a very young one, is a stupid manuver, especially trading up to do so. I could see us taking Miller if he falls all the way to the 2nd round pick, just because at that point he would be a huge value.

So you advocate if when we pick the best player on the board at all our picks is a RB, then we should take 3 RBs with our first three picks? Position depth/quality on the team factored with age goes into the making of the board. Heath Miller is not likely to ever be the top player on the Cowboys board, because we won't rate him as highly as some other teams will. We have no need for a 1st round backup TE. Witten and Miller are within one year of eachothers age, and Witten has already proven hes both tough and a probowl calibur player. Miller is likely just to not be an option.

Where as the 5th WR you seem to be complaining about would be an upgrade. Last year at the end of the year against teams that were as bad as we were 2 late round or undrafted players managed to have a couple of good games. We only have one semi-proven WR under the age of 30. Our top two WR are both over 30, and one hasn't finished a year in a while now. WR is a huge postion of need, so therefore will likely move up the board for the cowboys.

[Q_the_man]

I won't be surprised if most scouts don't rate Clarett.

Its naive to think they don'tm have an axe to grind. Clarett suing the NFL to allow players into the NFL doesn't bond well with the scouts who are making a living off the NFL minor league ooops I mean Collegiate football.

What the scouts can't ignore is Claretts productivity and playmaking ability on the field at Ohio State. Drew Henson gets more run/praise based on limited playing time in college even though his impact on the Wolverines doesn't even come close to Claretts presence for the Buckeyes. We all know Drew Henson was getting better at playing QB learning how to hit a curve ball and field ground balls. His upside like Clarett's should dictate where he goes, not his combine or attitude.Great Post, Henson has not played in 4 years and we trade a 3rd for him, Let's not forget QB is alot harder to learn, play, or whatsoever than RB. Though Clarett head might not be the smartest he does have talent....

I cant remember his name, I think Charles Mann that could not read a lick, dumb as all out doors but cold play Football and the bottom line i can u play football....

[Rack Bauer]

RB is one of the easier positions to learn in football. Its the reason RBs don't get drafted as high as they used to, normally. Who expected NO RBs to get drafted in the top 23 picks last year?

That same reason is the reason no one will take a huge gamble on Clarett. Cuz they can find RBs later w/o taking a risk. Clarett will be a second day pick. Period. I'll be anyone here $20 on that. Please, take that bet cuz I could use the $$$.

[Avery]

If we draft Heath Miller in the first and/or MAURICE CLARETT in the second I will f'ing hurt many people.

Post of the day.

[Charles]

RB is one of the easier positions to learn in football. Its the reason RBs don't get drafted as high as they used to, normally. Who expected NO RBs to get drafted in the top 23 picks last year?

That same reason is the reason no one will take a huge gamble on Clarett. Cuz they can find RBs later w/o taking a risk. Clarett will be a second day pick. Period. I'll be anyone here $20 on that. Please, take that bet cuz I could use the $$$.
Hey I'll take that bet, but if I win I don't want your money, Keep it, just have a couple of beers on me preferrably ice cold Sam Adams.

I think Clarett will be a 1st day pick!!!!!

Is it a bet Rack?

[sybarite]

I thought the Cowboys were satisfied with their TE. Given all the holes, TE seems to be the least of the worries.

Clarett? A man among boys, who, unfortunately, would be a child among men.

[Derinyar]

Hey I'll take that bet, but if I win I don't want your money, Keep it, just have a couple of beers on me preferrably ice cold Sam Adams.

I think Clarett will be a 1st day pick!!!!!

Is it a bet Rack?
Clarett has 8 games in an injured season 2 years in the past. No one knows what his abilities are. Thats the reason hes not getting ranked by scouts. Someone might take a shot on him, but its likely going to be after the 4th round, because there are much better bets to make an impact out there than Clarett.

[Charles]

Other than possibly WR, what major holes did the Dvision Champion Eagles have coming out of those seasons? Thats the difference, your talking about talented teams without glaring holes, and trying to apply that to our squad. Its a fallacious argument.
Why is it fallacious? Because the Eagles don't have as many glaring holes. I guess it is fallacious if you look at it that way. I don't look at it that way. I look at teams that draft well and realize they draft the best player available regardless of who they have on the roster (of course QB being the exception). The Goal is to draft well NOT fill holes

The goal is to get the best player possible, hopefully it coincides with need great but you don't move down in a draft to get a lesser player or take a lesser player just because it fits a need. That argument is idiotic. If you don't believe me just see Cowboys draft 1995-2002.

Heath Miller is the best overall TE. There aren't 19 collegiate football players better than Heath Miller. The sports hernia hurt his draft status because he couldn't work out at the combine but his productivity and playmaking ability tells a whole lot more than Underwear olympics.


Faulk hasn't played a full season in several years now, and is on the down side of his career.
Good point, So we wait until Dan Campbell starts missing games for several seasons before finding a replacement, when we have the opportunity to get the best TE in the draft now and not get pigeon holed into looking for a complete TE that can compliment the passing and Running game. Teams like the Eagles and Patriots take care of the problem before it happens. The Eagles have drafted 5 DBs onthe 1st day in the past 3 drafts.

The Rams drafted Trung Candidate in the 1st RD to be Faulks replacement in 2000. Only one year after starting for the Rams and posting 1000 yards in both rushing and receiving. :confused: Why waste a pick??? He was the best player available.
I don't seem to remember the Rams jumping all over the 1st DE in the draft after Kevin Carter left in 2001. They could have taken Kalimba Edwards or Anthony Weaver. They chose LB Robert Thomas. The best player available in the draft at the time even though they had a glaring need at DE.

DE is a primary position, that you can almost never go wrong drafting someone who has stud possibilty as they get huge dollars when they hit the open market. You pick things that support your postion in a vacuum, but don't really apply fully to the situation.
Almost never go wrong. :D How long have you been a Cowboy fan????

TE is a secondary postion. Most teams function quite well without a good TE. To add a second one on a team that already has one, a very young one, is a stupid manuver, especially trading up to do so. I could see us taking Miller if he falls all the way to the 2nd round pick, just because at that point he would be a huge value.
I don't know about most teams. I know most about the Cowboys. Coincidentally they are coached by a HOF Head Coach who favors 2 or 3 TEs sets. It might be a stupid maneuver in your opinion, but Parcells makes a habit of selecting TE in every draft. Why would he pass on a TE that has blue chip potential Only if Parcells thinks another player is better.

So you advocate if when we pick the best player on the board at all our picks is a RB, then we should take 3 RBs with our first three picks? Position depth/quality on the team factored with age goes into the making of the board.
I agree that Age, depth/quality goes into making of the board.

The Eagle fans must have thought the Eagles front office was crazy when they had 3 DBs high on their draft board with Taylor, Vincent and Dawkins in their secondary.

Heath Miller is not likely to ever be the top player on the Cowboys board, because we won't rate him as highly as some other teams will. We have no need for a 1st round backup TE. Witten and Miller are within one year of eachothers age, and Witten has already proven hes both tough and a probowl calibur player. Miller is likely just to not be an option.
Thats your opinion. Allow me to state mine.

Witten is a solid blue chip player

Dan Campbell is a 29 year old blocking TE. It comes as no surprise that he got injured. He probably has 2 or 3 seasons left in his tank to play at an effective level as a one dimensional blocking TE. Heath Miller has the potential to upgrade that position for 8 more seasons at a possible blue-chip level.

Jeff Robinson is 35 years old. He'll have a roster spot as long as he is long snapping.

My argument if Heath Miller is the best player available we can address a need NOW with the possibility of acquiring a Blue-chip talent. Wittens was a 3rd RD pick. His contract doesn't dictate that we can't sign a 1st RD TE.

Where as the 5th WR you seem to be complaining about would be an upgrade. Last year at the end of the year against teams that were as bad as we were 2 late round or undrafted players managed to have a couple of good games. We only have one semi-proven WR under the age of 30. Our top two WR are both over 30, and one hasn't finished a year in a while now. WR is a huge postion of need, so therefore will likely move up the board for the cowboys.
Wow.....the heriocs of late round draft picks and undrafted players in meaningless games....

If the Cowboys go up and get Braylon Edwards I'd be happy. Even though we have Keyshawn, Glenn and Morgan. Neither Campbell nor Robinson are spring chicken and Sean Ryan and the rest of the TEs didn't do squat.

[Avery]

We may draft a TE, but it won't be in the first day.

[Derinyar]

The problem is your talking about replacing an aging backup with a blue chip. Has Bill ever had multiple 22 year old blue chip TE's on one team? I some how doubt it, because you don't need multiple bluechip TE's on one team. You wanted the reason you pass on one, there it is. Picking up a second blue chip TE is never a need for any team. You can get a big body TE at a later point in the draft. I think we do draft a TE this year, most likely somewhere 5th or later.

If you can't see the difference between getting young talented backups for players nearing 30 and getting a talented backup for a 22 year old, then theres not much place to go with this particular situation.

I sdee your arguments, and think your putting way too much weight into them. I think if someone like Miller is there at 20 we are more likely to trade that pick to someone else. I'm not arguing that hes worth that pick. I just arguing hes not worth that pick to us. And no, those aren't the same argument.

Yes, I do think what Crayton did at the end of last season has a little lesss weight than it would otherwise because of the situation we were in at the end of the season, and the situation of the teams we were playing.

That we have Key, Glenn and Morgan is the very reason we would be better off taking a young WR at 20 then another young TE. TAlent acquisition is one thing, intelligent talent acqusition is another. A great example of this is when the skins basically went out and got a bunch of big name LB's, not caring that they were pretty much all interior LB's. The acquired talent, and became worse because they did it stupidly. In this case, it might actually be better to get a slightly lesser talent who is more likely to make an impact with the team.

[btcutter]

[ Neither Campbell nor Robinson are spring chicken and Sean Ryan and the rest of the TEs didn't do squat.[/QUOTE]


With that reasoning, our LBs, DTs, DEs, RCB, FS, RG, RT and kickers all starters didn't do squat either so shouldn't they be addressed before backups for Campbell, Witten and Robinson are considered?

I still remember trying to draft backup for Emmitt for 2-3 yrs as primary goal and boy did this team fall on it's face.

Bottomline, this team have too many needs right now to use it's first day picks on a TE and some RB that have all kinds of question mark around him. This team is simply not good enough to take that kind of gamble.

[Charles]

The problem is your talking about replacing an aging backup with a blue chip. Has Bill ever had multiple 22 year old blue chip TE's on one team? I some how doubt it, because you don't need multiple bluechip TE's on one team. You wanted the reason you pass on one, there it is. Picking up a second blue chip TE is never a need for any team. You can get a big body TE at a later point in the draft. I think we do draft a TE this year, most likely somewhere 5th or later.

Thats interesting. The last time the Cowboys had Blue-chip talent or very talented players backing up older veterans they won 3 SuperBowls in 4 years. e.g. Larry Allen

If you can't see the difference between getting young talented backups for players nearing 30 and getting a talented backup for a 22 year old, then theres not much place to go with this particular situation.
What do you mean by back-up? Do you think just because he's a back-up to Witten he won't get on the field. Ever heard of 2 or 3 TEs sets. Isn't Parcells notorious for using multiple TEs.
A 3rd WR is considered a back-up but teams impliment 3 WR sets as much as 2 WR.
Wouldn't you rather have your 2nd or 3rd TE out talent the opponents back-up Safety or DBs. Or wouldn't you like your TEs to be able to hang with starters.

Isn't it amazing how the Eagles can lose their starting TE and bring LJ Smith off the pine and still cause match-up problems.

Ben Watson is backing-up Daniel Graham. He is still a very intrigal partin the Patriots offense.



I sdee your arguments, and think your putting way too much weight into them. I think if someone like Miller is there at 20 we are more likely to trade that pick to someone else. I'm not arguing that hes worth that pick. I just arguing hes not worth that pick to us. And no, those aren't the same argument.
Why because we have Dan Campbell, Jeff Robinson and Sean Ryan. We are 6-10 team all blue chip players in the draft are worth a pick.

[cobra]

I wouldn't mind Heath Miller. My question is who you are having us pass on to get him. There are significant players that I suspect you pass on for Miller that I wouldn't. But if it turned out that some of the players that would help us aren't there, then I wouldn't be upset with Miller. He could really help our team. So I don't think you are crazy for saying Miller with 20.

However your 2nd round pick of Clarret kind of tells me that you are bat**** crazy.

Out of curiosity: who you have starting at FS? Hunter? What about RT? SLB? Why are you more concerned with drafting backups then starters? Because with our 20 and 2nd rounders, we definitely could draft a starter at LB and FS and maybe at RT.

[Charles]

I wouldn't mind Heath Miller. My question is who you are having us pass on to get him. There are significant players that I suspect you pass on for Miller that I wouldn't. But if it turned out that some of the players that would help us aren't there, then I wouldn't be upset with Miller. He could really help our team. So I don't think you are crazy for saying Miller with 20.

However your 2nd round pick of Clarret kind of tells me that you are bat**** crazy.

Out of curiosity: who you have starting at FS? Hunter? What about RT? SLB? Why are you more concerned with drafting backups then starters? Because with our 20 and 2nd rounders, we definitely could draft a starter at LB and FS and maybe at RT.
I think Keith Davis is going to be our starting Free Safety. Atleast I think he'll get the 1st shot at earning the job. I think he'll nail it down.

Pete Hunter will have to have an exceptional training camp to stay on the team. He opened his yap about the Henry signing. He better show up or he'll be gone. I think he'll compete with Keith Davis for the FS spot. He'll also be the primary back-up to either Newman and Henry. If he's smart he'll nail down the nickel spot. Many nickel DBs have performed well and gone on to earn starting jobs elsewhere.

James Brady will be given the SLB spot initially. He'll ben given a chance to earn Dexters old spot. The move to 3-4 will be determined by whom we pick-up and the draft players.

Marcus Spears can play in both defensive fronts. So can Howard.

I think the addition of Marco Rivera and the return of Campbell (and hopefully drafting of Miller) will help Torrin Tucker. Rivera can do for whomever playing RT what Larry Allen does for Flozell.

[Rack Bauer]

Is it a bet Rack?

It's a bet!

[playit12]

Charles...

I had a rather lengthy reply made up earlier but my office computer crashed and thus you'll have to live with this.

First I think you are completely ignoring the effects of the cap and posistional planning on your anaylis of why teams draft which players. Lets take Howard for instance.

Howard was going to make 5+ per year when he became a free agent. The Saints knew this and also know that they have more money invested in their D-Line than they should to have a balanced defense. By drafting Will Smith they got a guy on a rookie 5 year contract for much less than 5 mil a year and allowed themselves the option of moving Howard before his contract expired and thus getting some value for him.

Now for the Colts and Ben Watson. Good teams spread their picks every year across Offense and Defense. You need that constant influx of talent to maintain a good program. If you looked at the Colts before last season, what was their biggest need position? There are only a handful of positions that you really want to take in the first round if you are the Colts. Those are positions that you feel have value in your program. So for instance you wouldn't expect them to draft a Gaurd or a Full back, as it's just way too early for that position and thus too costly compared to value. They didn't need a first round QB. So that leaves Tackle, TE, WR, and RB. They had good depth at RB and outstanding depth at WR. Plus RB wasn't as deep a class last year but was going to be this year. So basically that leaves TE and Tackle. They had a bigger need at TE as they really feature their Tight Ends in their redzone offense. Plus they use a lot of two TE sets. It was a good pick for them.

As for the rams and Faulk. The Rams have drafted RBs behind faulk in order to provide some insurance against contract negotiations and injury. He was already getting up in years in 2000 in terms of when Running Backs start to slow down. I thought Trung was a good pick for them.

Now comparing this to our situation.

As I said before you have to choose your offensive style to decide what you value the most in your positions. The cowboys are a run first team that likes to run two reciever sets. We have a need to put two recievers on the field along with a every down Back, a good run blocking line, a lead blocking pass catching FB and both a run blocking TE and field stretching TE.

We have two WR that fit our mold, but both are over 30 and WR is a good value at the end of the first round. WR don't often come into their own until teh 3rd year, so locking one into a longer contract in the first round makes sense.

We aren't going to push more money into RB than we have to, but I would expect a second day pick to challenge the other backs in camp. Also FB is not a round one pick. We have enough young QBs on the roster so no major needs there.

That leaves Gaurd, TE, and Tackle. We have needs at Tackle mostly. With Rivera we have good but older Gaurds. I think we also have decent depth with two first day picks still on their rookie contracts backing up at Gaurd. At TE, Parcells likes to use a field stretching TE and a run blocking TE. The former is on his rookie contract still and is very young. The Latter is still under 30 but is an injury risk. You'll notice that every TE Parcells brought in last year was in Campbell's mold and not Witten's.

The reason you don't want Miller is that he is more in Witten's mold than Campbell. He isn't a strong blocker and doesn't have that kind of power at the point of attack. We don't have any sets where we'd be able to put both him and Witten on the field at the same time, nor do I feel that is going to happen as it takes away the play action. So if you draft him you are backing up possible the best player on our Offense, and the youngest player on our offense. It's just not a smart pick.

I'll get to Clarett on the next post.

[playit12]

So on to Clarett. First I like the guy. I do think he got a bad rap for the OSU things. Also I looked into his on the field attitude last year and was impressed by his drive to play and be a factor in the game.

Having said that...

Most scouts were already seeing him slide last year out of the second round in a year where there was already very little Running back depth. This year there are 4 running backs who would have been drafted ahead of Steven Jackson last year, at least. So it's unlikely even if his draft status hasn't changed in the last year that he would be a first day pick. He just doesn't have that value on most teams boards.

Here are my knocks on him:

First he runs upright and attacks defenders. While he had great success with that against College players, in the pros that often does not translate well. It remains to be seen with limited top speed and larger stronger defenders if his style of running will work.

Second, many scouts were very dissapointed about his work ethic when he came into last years Combine out of shape. The combine is a job interview, and he showed a real lack of focus by not preparing for it. He will not be successful regardless of talent if he can't be more driven than that.

This year he didn't do much to dissade that feeling. He came to the Combine to heavy this year, though it was muscle instead of fat this time. But it showed in a dismal 40 performance. He also then pulled out of all the position drills in a year where many of the top talents did work out. Again there were questions about his work ethic.

Finally he has very little experiance playing football.

With each uncertainty about a players attributes they get dropped on the draft board. Taking his injury history, Work ethic, lack of playing time, and questions on how his abilities will translate to the NFL, you have to put him behind a large number of other backs on the board.

So the reason that taking him at 42 is crazy is just for that reason. It's a reach. If you like him fine, you can have him later in the draft. If you are trying to maximize your value you want to idealy take each guy at the last possible chance to get him. Most people feel that some team will give him a chance in the 5th round. He might get picked up in the 4th if a team is willing to gamble. But not at the early second.

[ghst187]

If Clarrett gets drafted, he should consider himself VERY lucky. There are sooo many good RBs in this draft WITHOUT baggage and ones that actually PLAYED football the last two seasons, he could slide right on out the back door. Now remember that Jerry isn't running the draft alone anymore so no more Quincy picks in the second. I think its pretty clear that if we don't trade our second for Howard, then we go FS in round 2 and even if we do I expect a trade down from one of our first rounders to recoup the second and then go FS.
I understand that you have this man-love nonsexual crush on Miller but I really can't think of a position on our team with more talent or depth so I just can't see any sense in drafting yet another TE.
I don't mind and wouldn't be surprised with Spears at 11. He's a quality player. In fact, he reminds me a lot of Howard that we're trying to acquire, except bigger and not quite the pass rusher, but close. IMO, Spears would probably end up getting moved around. He's bigger than Glover. They might swap around at DE. But really, Spears is ideally suited to be a 3-4 DE. He doesn't fit so well in a 4-3 because he's huge for a DE and light for a DT. However, he could give us the ability to switch between the 4-3 and 3-4 by dropping Ellis back to LB. Before getting further convoluted in my thoughts I'll just say that Spears will probably be a good player like Ellis, workman, very solid and consistent performance, but not elite.
So basically what I'm sayin is that this mock sucks and leaves us desperate and wanting at FS, WR, and LB.

[dstew60105]

Heath Miller is a good player and even though having two TE's to run Parcells dink and dunk offense would be nice, there's a lot of fish to fry on this team and Witten and Campbell are adequate.

Clarett won't go at #42 or in the first day my opinion. No football for two years, poor attitude at the combine, won't happen. Lots of players have talent in the league. I'll take one that doesn't have the baggage.

Gotta agree with you there. No way Miller is picked by this team in round #1. Too many other holes to fill then pick a 3rd string TE. Don't mind the Spears pick, but other then that this mock doesn't make much sense.

[Qwickdraw]

That what matters to me. I could care less about "Character guys" seem to dissapear when it matters the most. You can take character, I'll take Randy Moss mooning the fans after scoring the TD in play-off game.

I think that statement about sums up your character.
Do us all a favor and go join the Raider nation.


In the future, I wouldn't post "feel free to ridicule and criticise" if you don't mean it.

[32BellyOption]

No way we spend that high of a pick on a TE! We have far too many pressing needs.

[Derinyar]

Thats interesting. The last time the Cowboys had Blue-chip talent or very talented players backing up older veterans they won 3 SuperBowls in 4 years. e.g. Larry Allen

What do you mean by back-up? Do you think just because he's a back-up to Witten he won't get on the field. Ever heard of 2 or 3 TEs sets. Isn't Parcells notorious for using multiple TEs.
A 3rd WR is considered a back-up but teams impliment 3 WR sets as much as 2 WR.
Wouldn't you rather have your 2nd or 3rd TE out talent the opponents back-up Safety or DBs. Or wouldn't you like your TEs to be able to hang with starters.

Isn't it amazing how the Eagles can lose their starting TE and bring LJ Smith off the pine and still cause match-up problems.

Ben Watson is backing-up Daniel Graham. He is still a very intrigal partin the Patriots offense.



Why because we have Dan Campbell, Jeff Robinson and Sean Ryan. We are 6-10 team all blue chip players in the draft are worth a pick.
Ah, I've finally figured out your problem. Your living in the 90's. Yes we had bluechip Backups in that day and age, all the good teams did. Teams can't do that now, because of the cap.

You once again found a case of a team without a lot of holes putting a high pick into getting a replacement for an older player. Not an analogous situation.

You did manage to find one interesting one ins Watson and Graham. If I had the faith in our drafting and talent analysis that I do currently in the Pats, then I would think differently. But still NE is a more solid team top to bottom than we are and can still afford to think differently in most situations then we can at this point.

[Hiero]

sorry this is easily the worst draft ive ever seen. I'd kill myself.

[kartr]

I agree with Hiero, If want the best player available at #11, you take Merriman. He's probably closer to Julius Peppers than anyone we've seen in awhile. He could be your starting right end or your starting rolb. What other players in this draft or previous drafts can you say that about? Unlike Spears, he doesn't take plays off and unlike Miller, he start right away and unlike Clarette, he's a character guy who has played the last two years and starred on a team of defensive stars.

[Bizwah]

The Eagles also had 3 Pro Bowl caliber players in the secondary in,2000 2001 and 2002 but it didn't stop the Eagles from drafting 3 DBs.

It goes both ways bro. I could find just as many teams that draft the best player available regardless of who is on the roster. I bet you most of those teams are the cream of the crop. Yes they don't have as many holes to fill but why should we settle for a lesser player to fill a hole. I'd rather have a secondary or unit full of Pro Bowl caliber players than have a selected player for need who turns out to be average see tghe Cowboys 1995-2002 draft philosophy.

But the Eagles were a team coming off an NFC East Championship. We're far, far away from that point. We're not good enough for that large of a luxury.

Again......economics....We'll pay HUGE money Miller as a first round pick. Witten, a better player, will surely want his due. I can't see a pro-bowl TE stomaching a rookie making more than him. We'll either have to sink HUGE money in two TEs, or split with one.

Not only that, you keep chanting, "Best player available!"

Do you honestly think that Miller will be the best available at 20?

Please.......most draft gurus are now beginning to pencil him in as a low 1st, high 2nd round pick.

In other words, he'd be a major reach at 20.

Are you related to this guy or something? Seriously........You've been salivating over this guy for some time.

[junk]

Did I read that right? You advocate moving UP to take Heath Miller? Grabbing him at 20 is a reach, trading up for him is crazy.

Why take Clarett in 2 when you can get him in 4?

I happen to think there are 20 players better than Heath Miller in this draft.

[big dog cowboy]

Don't take this personally, but that is the worst Cowboy mock draft I have seen this year. Bar none. I mean, second place is waaaaaaaaay down there.

[dstew60105]

Maurice Clarrett?
42nd pick?
Are you kidding me?
Dude, what are you smoking?
Can I have some?

You completely lost me after Spears.

Clarrett would be around long after that pick so why on Earth would we waste it on him?
Furthermore, I wouldn't give up an old pair of socks for that clown.

Finally, one of the ONLY spots on this team that has a clear cut ProBowl starter and high quality backup already is TE. Miller in the first round would be almost as big of waste as say... oh, I don't know... drafting Maurice Clarrett in the 2nd round.


-you said, "feel free to ridicule and criticise."

Gotta agree with you there. Why draft a TE when we already have a pro-bowler and why draft a RB in the 2nd when we already have Jones. Your picks don't make alot of sense. Especially when you have Clarrett going in the second. Most people say 5th round is still early.